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Title: Delaware
Post by: Alex on February 11, 2009, 10:22:27 PM
I'll post Delaware road related articles here. Comments welcomed.

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090211/NEWS/902110334/-1/updates (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090211/NEWS/902110334/-1/updates)
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Tests begin for new Indian River bridge
Builder seeks to avoid errors of first design

By MOLLY MURRAY - The News Journal - February 11, 2009

Preliminary work on the $150 million Indian River bridge is starting with the basics -- a series of test pilings and load reviews to make sure the new bridge has a solid base.

And on Tuesday, Jay Erwin, project engineer with design-build contractor Skanska USA Civil Southeast Inc., said the first load test on the sample piling worked as expected.

State officials want to avoid any problems with this new bridge design.

In the fall of 2007, they were forced to abandon an earlier design because of compaction problems with two mounds of dirt that were built in preparation for construction of the bridge approaches. State engineers discovered that the massive dirt piles were shifting to the west by as much as a foot as they settled. They concluded it would take seven years for the mounds to compact enough for bridge construction to begin.

At the time, the setback was estimated to cost the state $20 million to $30 million. Much of the dirt had to be removed and trucked off site.

Erwin said the test piles are the first step in his company's construction schedule. Once they are installed and tested, permanent precast pilings -- 284 of them in all -- we be pounded into the ground to form the foundation for the bridge approaches.

Skanska designers plan a multi-step approach to building the bridge, working on each side of the bridge at the same time, he said.

Once the pilings are driven, the bridge supports -- including the pylons, piers and foundations -- will be laid. This work is expected to start this summer.

Erwin said having two separate crews work on each side of the bridge trims construction time.

"We think it leads to very healthy competition," he said.

Many of the structural components of the bridge are being built from pre-cast concrete that will come from Cape Charles, Va.-based Bayshore Concrete Products. The company is a subsidiary of Skanska.

Although many of the components will be precast, they are custom made to fit the Indian River Inlet Bridge, said Doug Robb, the project manager for the state Department of Transportation.

The bridge is expected to be completed in spring or summer of 2011. In addition to bridge construction, other work will also be done, including construction of roadways that will lead to the new bridge and reconstruction of Delaware Seashore State Park facilities that were closed to provide a staging area for bridge construction.

Once the new bridge is complete, state officials plan to demolish the old bridge.

Meanwhile, Robb said, state officials continue to do extensive testing and monitoring on the current bridge to make sure it is structurally sound.

"We believe this is one of the most monitored bridges in the country," he said. "The good news is we're seeing stabilization of erosion."

The old bridge has pilings that extend into Indian River Inlet. Rapid movement of water through the inlet has washed away sediment from the pilings and created a series of deep holes. State officials brought in stone to stabilize the pilings and to limit erosion. But they continue to run extensive tests, including special sensors that detect whether the bridge is tilting.

The new bridge won't have pilings that extend into Indian River Inlet. It will be 2,600 feet long, including a 900-foot clear span over the inlet, with 1,700 feet of bridge over land. The bridge will be supported by cable stays in a design similar to the William V. Roth Bridge over the Chesapeake & Delaware Canal.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on February 13, 2009, 12:21:48 AM
Speaking of Delaware...I noticed this evening that DelDOT is using "bubble shields" on I-495...


Interstate 495 went from vastly no reassurance shields, many of which had white cardinal direction banners, to an overhaul with consistent bubble shields in 2000. The signing of those shields were done in conjunction with the project to shut down Interstate 95 for repaving (when they closed a direction three months at a time). DelDOT wanted to emphasize Interstate 495 as the through route. This is also why the signs on the southbound I-95/495 split in Pennsylvania still display "Thru Traffic" and "Local Traffic" (PennDOT has not gotten the message!).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on February 16, 2009, 02:16:04 PM
Toll Road News article: Stimulus $s to bring open road tolling to Delaware's I-95 toll plaza (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/3999)

This article talks about the reconstruction of the Delaware Turnpike toll plaza to accommodate open road tolling (2x2) lanes down the middle. They've talked about reconfiguring this plaza for years, and the article indicates that work could begin in 2011 or 2012, so its still a couple more years away...

When I was last in Delaware, there were daily back-ups southbound on several days all the way to the Delaware Service Plaza (even toward late evening). To me, this is unacceptable, but I suppose the traveling public there has come to accept it as normal. Because of this, I did not use Interstate 95 once between Exit 109 in Maryland and Exit 3 in Delaware.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mefailenglish on February 17, 2009, 01:04:10 PM
I did not use Interstate 95 once between Exit 109 in Maryland and Exit 3 in Delaware.
I can't remember the last time I actually drove THROUGH the toll booths in Delaware, especially with a free alternate available with little or no time penalty.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on February 17, 2009, 01:26:58 PM
No one that I know of actually goes through the toll plaza, unless they did it to clinch that stretch of highway. I've done it about 4 times since 1990.

I've thought about posting a map for those who want to avoid the toll road.  :) There are a couple of routes to take, the main is using the state routes, but I have a couple of others I frequent when back in Newark when visiting family in Elkton.

Unfortunately my favorite, which utilizes Otts Otts Chapel Road and Welsh Tract Road (which takes you over Interstate 95 twice), is changing for the worse as the woods on Welsh Tract Road near its eastbound beginning have succumbed to brand new sprawl.  :-(
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: FLRoads on February 17, 2009, 04:18:49 PM
Well, from first hand experience, I would much rather take that extra few minutes to bypass around. First, I would at least be moving at a faster rate of speed and second, yes, I would be saving $4. And given this current economic rut our country is in, every $4 counts!

And how did you achieve your "average" traffic time?

**I was incorrect in my dollar figure for the toll all this time! It's $4.00, not $5.00 as I previously indicated way back in February...**
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: FLRoads on February 17, 2009, 05:49:37 PM
A combination of speed limit-distance computation and personal experience (of which I've had a bit lately, with all these DC-Vermont trips I've been taking).

One thing I don't understand about your comment.  If it takes longer to bypass around, how can that be "moving at a faster rate of speed"?


Nice deduction.

Well, if someone is moving constantly along a side road at 40 mph, then aren't they moving faster than someone who is constantly crawling along the freeway (or tollway in this case) at 10 mph??
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: exit322 on February 17, 2009, 10:28:21 PM
It feels better to go 40 than 10 even if the trip will be a hair longer because of it.  I'd do that every time just because it's not annoying.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on March 11, 2009, 12:57:52 PM
The article does not give the full list.

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090311/NEWS/90311011/-1/updates (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090311/NEWS/90311011/-1/updates)

State installing more red-light cameras

Associated Press - March 11, 2009

DOVER – State transportation officials say 10 more red-light cameras are set to be installed on state highways this year.

The state already has 20 cameras and state transportation officials say they handed out 40,000 red-light citations last year and made around $2 million off the cameras, but imagine several will be in New Castle County.

Transportation officials say red-light cameras make intersections safer, but some drivers say the cameras can be a safety hazard.

Crews started installing cameras this week at the Old Landing Road and Munchy Branch Road intersections on Del. 1 near Rehoboth Beach. Another camera is set to go up at the intersection of Scarborough Road and U.S. 13 in north Dover.

Transportation officials say they have the funding, but not the final approval from the state for the rest of the cameras.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mightyace on March 11, 2009, 01:24:52 PM
Big brother is watching you!   :-P
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Chris on March 11, 2009, 03:05:50 PM
I've seen many near-accidents on the beltway of my city because people brake like crazy once the light pops on orange, afraid of getting ticketed by the red light camera.

They can make intersections safer though, on places where many people are running a red light.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on April 06, 2009, 10:13:13 AM
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090406/NEWS/904060324/-1/updates (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090406/NEWS/904060324/-1/updates)

Historic byway gaining support
Route would traverse scenic Sussex County

April 6, 2009

A coalition of historic preservation advocates is gaining support for a proposed scenic and historic byway through western Sussex County -- basically a driving tour to attract people to the picturesque rural areas.
Advertisement

The 22-mile route would wind its way along country roads past an old Seaford mill, by farmhouses and mansions, crossing the Nanticoke River via the Woodland Ferry, and ending at the historic Old Christ Church outside of Laurel.

"What we'd eventually like to do is pull the corridors together and bring people from the East to the West, so they can enjoy the heritage of the western side of the county," said Dan Parsons, Sussex County's historic preservation planner.

The proposal, which has been the subject of discussions for several years, picked up some backing last week from Sussex County, which signed on as a sponsor and lent its weight to the coalition.

Officials eventually hope to gain federal funding, channeled through the Delaware Department of Transportation, for signs and information at interpretive sites, such as the Cannon-Maston House outside Seaford.

"We hope that this will bring people to the area and educate them on how the agrarian towns and sprawling farms across the route came to be, and how the passage of time has shaped and changed it," Parsons said.

The effort so far has involved historical societies and municipal officials from towns in the area, said David Ames of the University of Delaware, who has been working on the project.

"Now we need to pull it all together," Ames said.

With the county's backing, the byway application can now be sent to DelDOT for approval. Federal funding would initially go toward a corridor management plan, helping make note of and connect some of the landmarks and sites. The application is aimed for approval by next March.

"I think it's a great project," said County Councilman Mike Vincent, R-Seaford, who represents much of the area. "It's a good thing for the western part of the county."
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on July 01, 2009, 11:47:21 PM
Anyone seen what is posted on these sign bridges installed last year? I asked PennDotFan to photograph them, but I welcome anyone's.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/IMG_0919.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/IMG_0919.jpg)

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/IMG_0920.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/IMG_0920.jpg)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on July 22, 2009, 01:44:01 PM
Something about use I-495 if over 14'6", I think.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on July 22, 2009, 08:14:46 PM
Something about use I-495 if over 14'6", I think.

But they already plaster that on the bottom of every Interstate 95/U.S. 202 north sign beyond the I-295 split, so why have even more signage?  :crazy:
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: njroadhorse on July 22, 2009, 11:43:52 PM
Something about use I-495 if over 14'6", I think.

But they already plaster that on the bottom of every Interstate 95/U.S. 202 north sign beyond the I-295 split, so why have even more signage?  :crazy:
Because it's DelDOT and oversigning things is right up there with carbon copying signs on their priority list.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on July 23, 2009, 09:00:44 AM
Something about use I-495 if over 14'6", I think.

And it was briefly posted, but isn't now.  It may have been the font size being so small, like a few other newer signs that did get replaced.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on August 05, 2009, 07:18:44 AM
DelDOT's web site lists all of the current ARRA projects now: http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/recovery/index.shtml (http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/recovery/index.shtml)

I've perused the list and its mostly bridge maintenance, repaving and signal improvements. The largest project I could find is money allocated to the rebuilding of the Interstate 95 Newark toll plaza (http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/recovery/pages/tollplaza/index.shtml) to accommodate four high-speed EZPass lanes. That project has been touted for many years now and there is no indication of when it will start outside of the article mentioning 2010 or 2011.

Other projects include converting the left-hand turn lane on Delaware 2 at Albertson Boulevard to a fully protected turn and upgrading signals at a couple of other intersections.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on August 25, 2009, 10:35:26 PM
Indian River Inlet Bridge plans previewed (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090825/NEWS/90825032/-1/updates/Indian-River-Inlet-Bridge-plans-previewed)

The $150 million project is slated to be completed by spring 2011 after years of work. A previous attempt to build the bridge ended after sand piles used to build the approaches began to sink.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on September 15, 2009, 12:11:21 PM
Section of Del. 9 closed near Dover AFB (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090915/NEWS/90915025/-1/updates/Section-of-Del.-9-closed-near-Dover-AFB)

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A section of Del. 9 near Dover Air Force Base is closed for construction, the Delaware Department of Transportation says.
Advertisement

The closing will allow for connection of new interchange ramps at Del. 1 with Del. 9 and Kitts Hummock Road.

Del. 9 will be closed between Kitts Hummock Road and Bergold Lane.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Chris on September 15, 2009, 01:16:53 PM
So Delaware has both State Route 9 and U.S. Route 9? I thought they didn't have identical numbers within the Interstate/US Highway/State Route numbering systems?  :confused:
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on September 15, 2009, 01:23:39 PM
About time...that location has needed an interchange for a long while.

Though I wish DelDOT would include project maps in with their project webpages.  This one lacks a map, so it's hard to tell from the description if it will include eliminating the signal on southbound 1 that the dump trucks all use (about halfway between DE 9 and the Air Force Base interchange).  I hope it does...if so, this would officially extend the freeway section on DE 1 down at least through this interchange.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on September 15, 2009, 08:23:15 PM
So Delaware has both State Route 9 and U.S. Route 9? I thought they didn't have identical numbers within the Interstate/US Highway/State Route numbering systems?  :confused:
Not in Delaware.  Old US 202 is DE 202.  I can't tell you how awful that situation is.  They should have taken a page from US 322 in NJ and numbered it DE 204.  Or Business 202 would work.  At least US 9 doesn't come close to intersecting DE 9.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 15, 2009, 10:18:41 PM
US-9 is a relatively recent addition to Delaware.  It used to end at the ferry in south New Jersey until the 1970s.  DE-9 has been around forever.

that said... this is Delaware - any two roads are, by definition, close together!  :pan:
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Mr_Northside on September 16, 2009, 10:31:10 AM
[sarcasm]Hey... when you have a state as big as Delaware, they may need all the numbers they can get.[/sarcasm]

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on September 17, 2009, 12:52:36 PM
I have confirmation from the project manager that the interchange project will remove the traffic signal on southbound DE 1 at the quarry entrance (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=39.112781,-75.465667&spn=0.006052,0.009624&z=17).  All northbound access will be eliminated there and the southbound side will be converted over to a right-in/right-out.

Northbound trucks going to the quarry will use the Dover AFB interchange to turn around, while trucks coming out of the quarry to go north will use the new interchange at DE 9 to U-turn.

As for the new interchange at DE 9, the manager said it should be open to traffic sometime in the next few weeks.  It's more or less a standard diamond interchange (albeit with curves in the ramps instead of straight ramps).  The overpass over DE 1 is right at the old location where Kitts Hummock Rd split off from DE 1 (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=39.10667,-75.455432&spn=0.003026,0.004812&z=18).  Kitts Hummock Rd is being realigned to meet DE 9 just north of the interchange.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on September 29, 2009, 08:12:57 PM
DelDOT plans to add turn lanes, signals on Del. 26 (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090929/NEWS/90929038/-1/updates/DelDOT-plans-to-add-turn-lanes--signals-on-Del.-26)

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State and county officials are hoping a $75 million project will improve traffic flow along one of the area's main beach evacuation routes.

Instead of widening Del. 26, Delaware Department of Transportation officials said they plan to add turn lanes and signals in the coming years to reduce congestion.

According to officials, the Del. 26 project, which could break ground as soon as 2012
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on September 30, 2009, 11:49:01 PM
New Del. 9 interchange opens at Del. 1 (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090930/NEWS/90930066/-1/updates/New-Del.-9-interchange-opens-at-Del.-1)

The News Journal - September 30, 2009

A new interchange at the junction of Del. 9 and Del. 1 near Dover Air Force base has opened for traffic.

The new overpass and ramps eliminate stop signs that existed previously at the junction.

Some work remains on the Del. 9 junction with Kitts Hummock Road near the interchange. Kitts Hummock Road is closed between Del. 9 and Bergold Lane until that work is completed. Traffic is detoured via Bergold Lane and Del. 9.

That work was scheduled to be completed by this weekend.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on October 24, 2009, 03:26:06 PM
There was an article on today's Delaware Online about the University of Delaware looking to purchase the closed Chrysler plant in Newark. They are talking about expanding the campus to include the former manufacturing site.

Since the plant shut down, knowing DelDOT, they probably kept the two signals on Delaware 2-4-896 (Christina Parkway) in operation. Are they still on or in flashing mode?

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=new+castle,+de&sll=30.408635,-86.885033&sspn=0.028203,0.05476&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=New+Castle,+Delaware&ll=39.658809,-75.761641&spn=0.012175,0.02738&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=39.659014,-75.761703&panoid=ujP0tTpbgG4Ea9e7LXIVVA&cbp=12,234.91,,0,4.65 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=new+castle,+de&sll=30.408635,-86.885033&sspn=0.028203,0.05476&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=New+Castle,+Delaware&ll=39.658809,-75.761641&spn=0.012175,0.02738&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=39.659014,-75.761703&panoid=ujP0tTpbgG4Ea9e7LXIVVA&cbp=12,234.91,,0,4.65)

and

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=new+castle,+de&sll=30.408635,-86.885033&sspn=0.028203,0.05476&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=New+Castle,+Delaware&ll=39.659014,-75.761703&spn=0.012175,0.02738&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=39.658403,-75.756734&panoid=GxCt6sTOfi4GdC6Onr2XCw&cbp=12,308.25,,0,-0.29 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=new+castle,+de&sll=30.408635,-86.885033&sspn=0.028203,0.05476&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=New+Castle,+Delaware&ll=39.659014,-75.761703&spn=0.012175,0.02738&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=39.658403,-75.756734&panoid=GxCt6sTOfi4GdC6Onr2XCw&cbp=12,308.25,,0,-0.29)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: WillWeaverRVA on October 24, 2009, 03:39:09 PM
I can say that they were still on back in April, but that was 6 months ago. Don't know about now.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on October 26, 2009, 01:30:07 PM
Last time I went by they were on flashing.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NJRoadfan on October 28, 2009, 03:23:04 PM
They were flashing back in the middle of June.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Lyle on December 24, 2009, 03:43:33 PM
DelDOT requests bids for highway speed electronic toll lanes and rebuild of Newark I-95 plaza.

http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4505 (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4505)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on December 30, 2009, 11:31:05 AM
Delaware highways: Motorists' bane is businesses' boon
Closing of service plaza for renovation helps gas stations, restaurants off I-95 (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20091230/NEWS02/912300361/1006/NEWS/Motorists--bane-is-businesses--boon)

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HMSHost, which has operated the plaza since it opened in 1964, won the bid to build a $32 million facility and run it for the next 35 years. The Maryland-based company operates more than 80 highway rest stops in North America.

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"We want to be open for the July Fourth holiday," Wilkins said.

When the plaza closed in September, I-95 travelers were left without a rest stop for 95 miles, between the Chesapeake House rest stop in Maryland and the John Fenwick Service Area in New Jersey.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: J N Winkler on December 30, 2009, 10:00:31 PM
I may as well point out, since Peter Samuel has not, that the I-95 Newark toll plaza job is also Delaware DOT's pilot project for electronic plans.  A full copy of the plans set (all 538-odd sheets of it) can be downloaded through DelDOT's bid calendar page:

http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicBusinessBidCal

Better get a move on if you want a copy, though--I don't know if they plan to archive the plans after letting.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on January 02, 2010, 10:16:10 AM
Indian River bridge project still on target (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20091228/NEWS/912280309/1006/Indian-River-bridge-project-still-on-target)

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...all pile drivings have been completed, and work has begun on the approach foundations for the new $230 million bridge spanning the inlet, DelDOT said in a project update.

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The new bridge design calls for a 2,600-foot-long bridge with a 900-foot span across the inlet. It will be supported by cables in a design similar to the Roth Bridge over the Chesapeake & Delaware Canal.

The inlet was 25 feet deep in 1965, but over time has deepened to 100 feet or more in some places.

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It is expected to be completed in spring 2011.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NJRoadfan on January 03, 2010, 08:50:32 PM
"We want to be open for the July Fourth holiday," Wilkins said.

When the plaza closed in September, I-95 travelers were left without a rest stop for 95 miles, between the Chesapeake House rest stop in Maryland and the John Fenwick Service Area in New Jersey.

Plenty of work going on here. The good news is as of today those trapezoid signs are still up. 95 miles? Apparently they haven't been to Virginia post rest area closing. Besides the state line welcome centers, travelers going north on I-95 or I-85 (to I-95) don't have much in the way of rest areas anymore (as I found out today too).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: njroadhorse on January 04, 2010, 03:16:38 PM
95 miles? Apparently they haven't been to Virginia post rest area closing. Besides the state line welcome centers, travelers going north on I-95 or I-85 (to I-95) don't have much in the way of rest areas anymore (as I found out today too).
Same deal on I-81, with a few still scattered around along the route.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on January 21, 2010, 10:29:27 AM
Road priorities for northern Del. offered (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100120/NEWS/100120009/-1/updates/Road-priorities-for-northern-Del.-offered)

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Northern Delaware’s transportation planning agency has released its recommendations for improving the region’s roads from 2011 through 2014.

The Wilmington Area Planning Council’s draft Transportation Improvement Program includes about $1.9 billion worth of projects in New Castle County and Cecil County, Md. The plan focuses on preserving existing infrastructure and addressing safety concerns, rather than new projects, because of funding shortfalls in the region, the agency said.

Key projects include adding two high-speed E-ZPass lanes to the I-95 toll plaza near Newark, improvements to the interchange at Del.1 and I-95, the U.S. 301 expressway near Middletown and rail track expansion in New Castle County.

Some projects, including the E-ZPass lanes on I-95, will be funded by the federal stimulus program.

The draft plan is available for public review at www.wilmapco.org/tip or at the WILMAPCO office, 850 Library Ave., Suite 100, Newark. A public workshop is scheduled for 4-7 p.m. Feb. 22 at WILMAPCO.

They also have a Google Maps overlay of some of the projects at http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=http://www.wilmapco.org/KML_Files/FY2011_TIP_Projects_Draft.kml&sll=39.594049,-75.756226&sspn=0.377788,0.617294&ie=UTF8&ll=39.564412,-75.756226&spn=0.755898,1.234589&t=h&z=10
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 14, 2010, 08:26:39 AM
The last time I was in Delaware, DelDOT was rebuilding the Delaware House. Are we to assume they're going to get rid of those "Duncan Hines logo" shields too?

(https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/delaware050/i-095_nb_exit_003a_06.jpg)

Or are they "Peek Freans logos?" I always thought those were funny names.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Duke87 on February 14, 2010, 11:42:05 PM
What I'm curious to know is if that service area will still be home to the world's slowest gas pumps.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on February 15, 2010, 06:50:56 AM
Nope...those are in suburban Maryland...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on February 15, 2010, 01:50:30 PM
Del. 299 upgrades in works (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100215/NEWS/2150333/1006/Del.-299-upgrades-in-works)

Planning continues for stretch through Middletown near potential hospital site
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on February 15, 2010, 02:52:10 PM
Part of me is wondering why they're even bothering, given the permanent bottleneck that would be created when you hit Middletown proper.

'Course, Delaware isn't exactly known for smart planning...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: agentsteel53 on February 15, 2010, 07:47:23 PM
Nope...those are in suburban Maryland...

I can second that.  A usual gas pump is about one second per tenth of a gallon, plus or minus 20% but generally you can count One Mississippi, Two Mississippi and watch the tenths come in.

Crownsville has one where Three Mississippis gets you one tenth, and that's if you count to three via the scenic route, taking in Four Mississippi along the way.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Ian on February 15, 2010, 08:54:26 PM
Del. 299 upgrades in works (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100215/NEWS/2150333/1006/Del.-299-upgrades-in-works)

Planning continues for stretch through Middletown near potential hospital site

There goes those old Eagle signals :-(

The last time I was in Delaware, DelDOT was rebuilding the Delaware House. Are we to assume they're going to get rid of those "Duncan Hines logo" shields too?

(https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/delaware050/i-095_nb_exit_003a_06.jpg)

Or are they "Peek Freans logos?" I always thought those were funny names.

I really wish they would keep those. They do look really neat, shape wise. They also look more like a Denny's logo.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: hbelkins on February 15, 2010, 11:46:05 PM
Pretty good chance they'll keep them.

From this fall...

(http://www.millenniumhwy.net/2009_Northeast_Day_5/Images/250.jpg)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Ian on February 16, 2010, 07:27:47 PM
Pretty good chance they'll keep them.

From this fall...

(http://www.millenniumhwy.net/2009_Northeast_Day_5/Images/250.jpg)


I wouldn't be too sure. DelDOT has been replacing all of their freeway signage (which were relatively new). Who knows, may be they will make another freeway sign in that shape.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 17, 2010, 02:29:34 PM
I really wish they would keep those. They do look really neat, shape wise. They also look more like a Denny's logo.
Ah yes, Denny's. Makes a lot more sense than "Peek Freans" or "Duncan Hines."

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on March 02, 2010, 05:29:57 PM
Finally  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:

New Indian River Inlet Bridge taking shape (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100302/NEWS/100302036/1006/New+Indian+River+Inlet+Bridge+taking+shape)

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DelDOT's latest update on the project: "As of this week, all four footers of the bridge are complete. Eventually they will be put underground and not visible, however like the foundation of any structure they are key in giving the bridge its strength and long-term stability."

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The new bridge design calls for a 2,600-foot-long bridge with a 900-foot span across the inlet. It will be supported by cables in a design similar to the Roth Bridge SR 1 Turnpike Bridge over the Chesapeake & Delaware Canal.

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The current construction is the state's second try at a new bridge over the inlet. Problems with the first bridge approaches came to light in 2007, when fill dirt at the site began to shift and slip, creating a multimillion-dollar setback.

The contract was abandoned and re-advertised and the bridge re-designed. It is expected to be completed in spring 2011.

Drivers can visit the project Web site, www.irib.deldot.gov, to get traffic updates, view cameras or get more information on the construction
Title: Death of Delaware 82
Post by: Alex on March 04, 2010, 12:55:31 AM
http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/misc_virtual_workshops/State_Route_82_Public_Notice.pdf

As part of the Red Clay Valley Scenic Byway, DelDOT is proposing the removal of Delaware 82 as a state route "as a means to conserve and enhance the Valley's cultural, scenic, historic, and natural resources."

So you'll have DE 100 ending as a non SR in PA and DE 82 ending as a non SR in DE.  :pan:

Why not come up with brown scenic DE-82 shields to continue the connectivity with Pennsylvania 82?
Title: Death of Delaware 82
Post by: Alex on March 04, 2010, 02:50:45 PM
Leave your comments at http://deldot.gov/information/projects/misc_virtual_workshops/rt82/index.shtml

My comments:

Why not instead of removing the State Route 82 designation, incorporating a new "Scenic State Route" designation instead. The state of Idaho does this along U.S. and State Routes that double as scenic routes. Rather than using the standard black and white signs, the state places brown and white versions of the same shields. This conveys to drivers that they are on a scenic byway.

The connectivity to Pennsylvania's SR 82 will be lost with the removal of SR 82 signage in the state of Delaware. The path that one would take utilizing local road names is not certain enough for one to follow without the aid of a GPS or similar device. These roads certainly should not be driven with such distractions, as the roads are fairly narrow and many turns are involved. Maintaining state route signage eliminates this prospect.
Title: Where did DelDOT get their info on PA 82?
Post by: Alex on March 04, 2010, 03:42:31 PM
From the workshop website transcript:

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14.Corridor Management Plan
ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF A SCENIC BYWAY DESIGNATION IS THE DEVELOPMENT OF A CORRIDOR MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT IDENTIFIES STRATEGIES DESIGNED TO PRESERVE THE UNIQUE AND IRREPLACEABLE ATTRIBUTES OF THE BYWAY. 
THE RED CLAY VALLEY SCENIC BYWAY ALLIANCE, COMPRISED OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM NON-PROFIT AGENCIES, PRESERVATION GROUPS, GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, STAKEHOLDERS, RESIDENTS OF THE AREA AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC, COMPLETED SUCH A CORRIDOR MANAGEMENT PLAN IN 2008.
ONE OF THE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS OF THAT PLAN WAS TO EXPLORE THE DELISTING OF STATE ROUTE 82 AS A STATE ROUTE, IN ORDER TO HELP PROTECT ITS INTRINSIC QUALITIES.
REMOVING THE STATE ROUTE DESIGNATION IS A STRATEGY THAT HAS BEEN USED IN OTHER COMMUNITIES IN AN EFFORT TO PRESERVE RESOURCES FOUND ALONG THEIR ROADWAY.
FOR EXAMPLE, IN 1998, APPROXIMATELY FIVE-AND-A-HALF MILES OF STATE ROUTE 82 LOCATED IN UNIONVILLE, PENNSYLVANIA WAS DELISTED BY THAT STATE IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC, VILLAGE CHARACTER OF THAT COMMUNITY.

Which portion of PA-82 was turned back? Unionville is in East Marlborough Township, which is just north of Kennett Square and the Oxford Bypass of U.S. 1.

Looking at GSV, I see signage for PA 82 consistently through the split of PA 842 west from PA 82 north. However shields for PA 82 north are only posted on PA 842 east, and not on Doe Run Road at that intersection. Signs for PA 82 appear on PA 841 north as well, with a southbound shield posted after that intersection. No reference for PA 82 north is posted on PA 82 north at PA 841 though.

If 5.5 miles were decertified in 1998, why has it taken so long to take down associated signage?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Ian on March 04, 2010, 04:04:04 PM
When exactly will DE 82 be taken down? I will try my best at getting down there and getting shots of any DE 82 shields.
Title: Death of Delaware 82
Post by: Alex on March 04, 2010, 04:08:10 PM
When exactly will DE 82 be taken down? I will try my best at getting down there and getting shots of any DE 82 shields.

The workshop presentation indicated by late spring if the removal is approved.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadgeek Adam on March 04, 2010, 04:18:51 PM
Pennsylvania 82 did suffer a rather long truncation in 2008 after the plans to revive bridges destroy in Hurricane Agnes (1972) were finally canned from the north. I think at that point they should just truncate 82 back to US 1 if DE 82 is canned
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Ian on March 06, 2010, 06:56:14 PM
I think at that point they should just truncate 82 back to US 1 if DE 82 is canned

I agree on that.

Today, I was able to get shots of DE 82. Here they are...
http://picasaweb.google.com/Iansignal/DelawareStateRoute82#
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadgeek Adam on March 06, 2010, 08:47:20 PM
Heh, maybe DelDOT will supply us with more NJ 82 shields for Morris Avenue, if NJ thought of extending it into the city of Elizabeth further
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Ian on March 06, 2010, 11:10:47 PM
Heh, maybe DelDOT will supply us with more NJ 82 shields for Morris Avenue, if NJ thought of extending it into the city of Elizabeth further

They could. Though, most of the DE 82 shields have the DelDOT stickers on the back, so they would have to peel all of them off or something like that to do so.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on March 07, 2010, 12:25:25 AM
Heh, maybe DelDOT will supply us with more NJ 82 shields for Morris Avenue, if NJ thought of extending it into the city of Elizabeth further
This is tending toward Fictional Highways, but not in a million years.  82 NEVER went straight.  24-S turned right on what is now 439 (which I'm sure you know).  NJDOT is not about to take over another highway just for a number - quite the opposite, it's enjoyed dropping highways in city limits (see 124).
Title: Construction of high-speed EZ Pass lanes for I-95 (Delaware)
Post by: Alex on March 16, 2010, 10:45:55 AM
Construction of I-95 high-speed E-ZPass lanes to begin next month (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100315/NEWS/100315025/-1/updates/Construction-of-I-95-high-speed-E-ZPass-lanes-to-begin-next-monthConstruction of I-95 high-speed E-ZPass lanes to begin next month)

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Construction of new high-speed E-ZPass lanes at the I-95 Newark toll plaza will begin in mid-April, the Delaware Department of Transportation announced.

The $32 million project will extend from the Del. 896 interchange to the Otts Chapel Road bridge area. It is being funded by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.

A-Del Construction Co. of Newark was awarded the contract for the work, which will include conversion of the main plaza structure as well as the southbound satellite plaza, DelDOT said.

As many as 125,000 vehicles pass through the toll plaza at peak times during holidays and weekends, causing major backups. DelDOT said construction of the new E-ZPass lanes will allow motorists to maintain highway speed through the area. Similar lanes have been in use at two toll plazas on Del. 1 for several years.

The project is expected to be completed in about 16 months.

Details on the project can be found at http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/recovery/pages/tollplaza/index.shtml">www.deldot.gov.
Title: 10 more red-light cameras coming to Del.
Post by: Alex on March 24, 2010, 04:15:16 PM
10 more red-light cameras coming to Del.]10 more red-light cameras coming to Del. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?action=post;msg=57390;topic=372.50;sesc=d8956ff56b5012998d04cf2aef4408d5)

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Ten more red-light cameras are coming to intersections across Delaware.

The cameras will be installed in all three counties by early summer, the Delaware Department of Transportation announced today, bringing the total number across the state to 30.There will be seven new locations in New Castle County, one in Kent County and two in Sussex County.

The cameras make video recordings of vehicles going through a red light and the registered owner is sent a violation notice requiring payment of a $112.50 fine. The citation is considered a civil offense and does not affect a motorist’s insurance rates or add points to their driving record.

The new locations:
New Castle County

Old Baltimore Pike at Salem Church Road/Salem Woods Drive

Kirkwood Highway at Harmony Road

Kirkwood Highway at Red Mill Road/Polly Drummond Hill Road

Churchmans Road at Del. 1 northbound ramps

Naamans Road at Shipley Road/Brandywine Parkway

Del. 273 at Harmony Road/Gerald Drive

Del. 273 at Del. 7
Kent County

U.S. 13 at Scarborough Road
Sussex County

Del. 1 at Munchy Branch Road/Miller Road

Del. 1 at Old Landing Road

The two Sussex locations will be installed first.

In the first 30 days of operation, motorists will be issued a warning with no fine. “Red light camera enforcement”  signs also will be placed at each location.

"We know this program is saving lives and reducing the number of angle crashes, which are more likely to result in serious injury or death," said Transportation Secretary Carolann Wicks.

DelDOT reports that the 20 cameras already installed generate $5.2 million annually, with 41,000
violations issued. DelDOT expects an additional $2.5 million from the new locations.
are fully operational.

Video footage can be viewed and fines paid at http://www.deldot.gov/information/red_light/.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Truvelo on March 24, 2010, 05:44:46 PM
If citations don't result in any punishment to your license then surely if you don't mind paying $112.50 each time you can just blow through red lights all the time?

As for the lights themselves - will the ones with cameras have short yellows :ded:
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Ian on March 24, 2010, 06:54:38 PM
DelDOT has really gotten into the red light camera act. Most new and major intersections accross the state now are equipped with them.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: hbelkins on March 24, 2010, 09:27:41 PM
DelDOT has really gotten into the red light camera act. Most new and major intersections accross the state now are equipped with them.

Remind me to find a way to obscure my license plate before my trip into Delaware next month.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on March 24, 2010, 11:19:23 PM
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Remind me to find a way to obscure my license plate before my trip into Delaware next month.

Remind me to tell you that doing so is both illegal and of poor character...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 24, 2010, 11:36:38 PM
Remind me to tell you that doing so is both illegal and of poor character...


illegal, sure.  but I'd much rather have his character, than that of the legislature who voted in favor of the cameras.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: hbelkins on March 24, 2010, 11:54:16 PM
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Remind me to find a way to obscure my license plate before my trip into Delaware next month.

Remind me to tell you that doing so is both illegal and of poor character...


Well, I just don't trust short yellows and getting caught in that nether world of "do I speed up and hope I beat it" or "do I slam on the brakes and risk getting rear-ended?" in areas with signal cams.

There are probably ways to legally make a license plate hard to read by those traffic cams.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 24, 2010, 11:57:40 PM
seems to me they made the yellow portion of the cycle extra short just for revenue purposes...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on March 25, 2010, 06:43:36 AM
Some places got a bad reputation for that, but not eveywhere.  For the record, the red light cameras I'm familiar with in this area do not have short yellows.  All have the minimum 3 seconds.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on March 25, 2010, 11:19:26 PM
Some places got a bad reputation for that, but not eveywhere.  For the record, the red light cameras I'm familiar with in this area do not have short yellows.  All have the minimum 3 seconds.
Rule of thumb is 1 second per 10 mph.  Are all your signals on 25-30 mph roads?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on March 26, 2010, 06:26:09 AM
Pretty much.  There are a few cameras on roads that are 35 MPH, but IIRC, the Green Book still recommends a 3 second yellow phase for 35 MPH roads.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on April 26, 2010, 11:54:02 AM
Red-light cameras help keep an eye on safety
 (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100425/NEWS/4250328/1006/Red-light-cameras-keep-an-eye-on-safety)

10 new devices have green light

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...The intersection (DE 2/Harmony Road) is one of 10 statewide that will get new red-light cameras in the next few months, bringing the statewide total to 57 and, officials say, making some of the state’s most dangerous intersections a little safer

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Of the roughly $5 million the cameras generated in fines last year, about $2.4 million went to the companies that operate them.

Delaware leases the cameras from American Traffic Solutions Inc. of Arizona for about $4,000 each a month, which includes maintenance, support and operation. The company covers the $1,500 to $2,000 cost of installation, while DelDOT pays to prepare the site.

This article almost reads as an advertisement for American Traffic Solutions Inc. of Arizona...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mightyace on April 26, 2010, 10:10:23 PM
^^^

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Fines are $112.50 in Delaware. The fine increases $10 for every month it is late, up to three months.

In other states, it's a criminal offense and carries a heftier fine. Cameras in those states must capture an image of the driver's face so they can be linked to the crime.

Most states require the fine money to be spent on public safety efforts or medical trauma centers.

I by no means have heard about how these cameras are set up everywhere, but I have yet to hear of one where being captured by the camera is a criminal offense.
Title: Del. 1 access at north end of Frederica closing for months
Post by: Alex on May 03, 2010, 11:02:13 AM
Del. 1 access at north end of Frederica closing for months (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100503/TRAFFIC/100503009/-1/updates/Del.-1-access-at-north-end-of-Frederica-closing-for-months)

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Access from Del. 1 to Frederica Road at the north end of Frederica will be closed starting today to allow for construction of a new overpass.

The Delaware Department of Transportation says traffic will be detoured to the Del. 1/Frederica Road intersection south of Frederica.

The north intersection will remain closed until late this year or early 2011, DelDOT says.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on May 03, 2010, 04:10:46 PM
For those who may be interested, here's the proposed layout (http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/north_frederica/pdfs/preferred_alternative.pdf).


BTW, Alex, in this project (http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/sr1_30_gsi/index.shtml), DelDOT themselves still refer to that stretch of Wilkins Rd as DE 30.  Could it be that DE 30 wasn't extended along the new frontage road after all?  Or could it be a case where they consider BOTH roads to be part of DE 30?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on May 03, 2010, 11:26:03 PM

BTW, Alex, in this project (http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/sr1_30_gsi/index.shtml), DelDOT themselves still refer to that stretch of Wilkins Rd as DE 30.  Could it be that DE 30 wasn't extended along the new frontage road after all?  Or could it be a case where they consider BOTH roads to be part of DE 30?

That strikes me as it being the interchange by which DE 1 traffic would access DE 30, moreso than Wilkins itself necessarily being DE 30.  I'm sure it's a State Road linking 30 and 1 anyway, so may as well sign it from 1 to 30 seamlessly.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on May 04, 2010, 12:03:25 PM
Prior to the "frontage road" being built, which according to Alex extended DE 30 up to BUSINESS 1, Wilkins Rd was DE 30.  It should also be noted that DelDOT's shapefiles still show Wilkins Rd as DE 30.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mightyace on May 05, 2010, 12:11:07 AM
For those who may be interested, here's the proposed layout (http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/north_frederica/pdfs/preferred_alternative.pdf).

Does anyone know why it is only a "half-trumpet."  It looks like there's room to build a full one.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on May 05, 2010, 02:22:31 PM
I'd hazard a bet they're utilizing the existing roadway for the "southbound ramps" in order to cut costs.
Title: Delaware roads: Faster way to pay $4 in the works
Post by: Alex on May 15, 2010, 06:38:19 PM
Delaware roads: Faster way to pay $4 in the works (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100515/NEWS02/5150342/1006/NEWS)
Title: Delaware 82 lives on!
Post by: Alex on May 23, 2010, 01:47:46 AM
State Route Designation to Remain on SR 82 (http://deldot.net/public.ejs?command=PublicNewsDisplay&id=3675&month=4&year=2010)

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Dover -- The Delaware Department of Transportation (DelDOT) recently completed a Virtual Public Workshop intended to receive public comment on a proposal to declassify State Route 82, removing the state route designation from the roadways that are part of the corridor. As a result of the response generated by the online presentation, DelDOT has announced that no change will be made.

The Virtual Workshop was posted on the DelDOT website on March 4, 2010 and remained available for public viewing and comment for a period of 30 days, until April 4th. Viewers were given an opportunity to respond to the delisting proposal, also online. During the presentation and survey period, DelDOT received 120 responses. Seventy-five percent (75%) of respondents indicated that they opposed the removal of the state route designation from SR82. The main concern expressed by opponents of the proposal was the value of the state route designation when giving directions to visitors who would make their way through the roadways that constitute SR82.

State Route 82 is a five-and-a-half mile corridor in the Red Clay Valley, and is part of a network of roads that were designated by DelDOT as a Scenic Byway in 2004. SR82 includes Campbell Road, New London Road, and Creek Road. The Scenic Byway designation requires the development of a corridor management plan to help preserve the attributes of the byway. The information on the reason for the delisting, including the assurance that it would have no impact on DelDOT's maintenance responsibilities or 911 response, was presented in the online Virtual Workshop. Opponents of the proposal also noted disagreement with the contention that truck and other vehicular traffic would be reduced, and the opinion that the state route designation was part of the historical qualities of the byway.

Concern was also expressed that the new Auburn Heights Preserve on Creek Road in Yorklyn is dependent upon the state route designation in increasing awareness of the location.

Just thought to check up on the status of this and I am pleased with the results.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on June 07, 2010, 10:27:15 AM
U.S. 9 widening project divides nearby residents (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100607/NEWS/100607010/-1/updates/U.S.-9-widening-project-divides-nearby-residents)

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A plan to reconfigure several intersections along U.S. 9 has had mixed reception from nearby residents.

Delaware Department of Transportation spokesperson Jason Lang said the changes, through the Highway Safety Improvement Program, are meant to prevent traffic accidents at the intersections of U.S. 9 and Gravel Hill, Hudson, Sweetbriar and Dairy Farm roads.

"There have been enough (accidents) to trigger this project in order to improve safety," he said, though he could not provide exact numbers.

Each intersection is being widened to create separate lanes for through traffic, as well as left and right turns, Lang said.

According to plans, he said Log Cabin Hill Road may be closed or realigned at the Dairy Farm Road intersection, because the road currently funnels traffic almost directly into the intersection.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on June 15, 2010, 02:11:50 PM
DelDOT plans Del. 26 detour projects for July (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100615/NEWS/100615011/-1/updates/DelDOT-plans-Del.-26-detour-projects-for-July)

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MILLVILLE – A plan to improve alternative routes for use during the long-gestating Del. 26 improvement project is slated to begin next month, officials said.

Delaware Department of Transportation spokesman Jason Lang said the improvements, which would focus on a series of roads south of the major artery in Millville and Ocean View, will provide a detour when construction on the main project begins.

"The State Route 26 Detour Routes project will cost just under $10 million to build," he said. "And the State Route 26 Mainline project is estimated to cost $30 million."

In 2004, DelDOT released a plan for widening Del. 26, the corridor that connects the beach resorts to U.S. 113, but the project has been repeatedly delayed.

Lang said funding issues have kept the project from moving forward.

Construction on the main project is currently scheduled for fall 2012, pending funding availability, he said.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NJRoadfan on June 16, 2010, 01:19:53 PM
All the funky shaped rest area signs on I-95 are gone. Looks like they are making some progress on the reconstruction though. The I-95 south ramp from DE-896 south is closed for the express EZ-pass construction. Ironically the detour is the toll shunpike along DE-2 and DE-4 into Maryland.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on June 19, 2010, 08:12:00 AM
Delaware Welcome Center a destination in itself (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100619/NEWS02/6190344/1006/NEWS)

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"We've come a very long way from Hot Shoppes," Gov. Jack Markell said Friday before cutting the ribbon at the 42,657-square-foot Delaware Welcome Center building. The site will open to the public Thursday.

Construction of the center began in fall 2009. The Delaware Department of Transportation owns the site, but no state funding was expended on the project. Delaware makes money from rents and gets a cut of the sales, but more details were unavailable Friday.

Future maintenance will be done by HMSHost, a firm that built and will maintain the center for the next 35 years. HMSHost operated the previous 29,000-square-foot plaza, which was built in 1964.

Everything about the $35 million site -- the only impression many get of Delaware on the state's 24-mile stretch of I-95 -- is bigger and newer.

The previous incarnation saw about 3 million visitors per year. The new center is expected to have 4.5 million visitors. There are 603 parking spaces for cars and 38 for buses.

The site will have 250 employees between restaurants, shops and a 21-pump Sunoco station.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on June 21, 2010, 10:29:28 PM
Something I forgot to mention over the weekend, but on my way home from the SEPA meet, I noticed two new roundabouts along DE 15, one at DE 286, the other at Churchtown Rd a little further south (which becomes MD 310 at the border).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on June 22, 2010, 12:55:46 PM
U.S. 113 corridor to get safety overhaul (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100621/NEWS02/6210320/1006/NEWS)

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State transportation officials are unveiling a $4 million plan to improve safety at seven intersections along the U.S. 113 corridor in Sussex County.

The plan, which includes work at five crossovers along the dual highway between Millsboro and Dagsboro, has been in the works for several years, and is unrelated to the $839 million long-term bypass plan for the corridor.

The Delaware Department of Transportation said the intersections were identified as having high accident rates. They are in the state's Highway Safety Improvement Program.

"All the sites already demonstrate the need for improvements," said Mike Williams of DelDOT.

Design work should be finished by fall 2011, with construction to begin in spring 2012, Williams said.

The intersections had 217 crashes among them from January 2002 to May 2006, according to DelDOT data.

The proposed work, and crash totals for that period, include:

-Millsboro: Closing the median crossover to prohibit turns from Sheep Pen or Park Pond roads; 19 crashes.

-Millsboro: Blocking left turns from Radish Road and Second Street, creating channels for turns from lanes on U.S. 113; 26 crashes.

-Millsboro: Blocking left turns from Delaware Avenue in both directions, creating channels for turns from U.S. 113; 26 crashes.

-Millsboro -- Del. 20/Hardscrabble Road: Extending acceleration lane along southbound U.S. 113 from eastbound Del. 20; 56 crashes.

-Dagsboro: Blocking left turns from Molly Field Road and Cricket Street, creating channels for turns from U.S. 113 lanes; eight crashes.

-Dagsboro: Creating an additional southbound left turn lane on U.S. 113 onto Dagsboro Road/Del. 20, and closing a median opening north of the intersection; 55 crashes.

-Ellendale: Blocking some turns onto or off Staytonville Road, while allowing some turns off or onto Fleatown Road; 27 crashes.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on August 04, 2010, 11:58:04 AM
Delaware roads: Paving the way for expansion? (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100804/NEWS02/8040342/1006/NEWS)
Kennett Pike intersection work worries neighbors

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DelDOT's plans, which are not final, call for designated left-turn lanes in each direction of Kennett Pike, also known as Del. 52.

That would give the state highway separate lanes for turning onto Kirk Road to the east and Campbell Road to the west. DelDOT also plans to add right-turn lanes, bicycle lanes, a street light, a curb along the southbound right-turn lane and new traffic signal masthead arm poles that hang over the intersection.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on August 16, 2010, 08:59:59 AM
All the funky shaped rest area signs on I-95 are gone. Looks like they are making some progress on the reconstruction though. The I-95 south ramp from DE-896 south is closed for the express EZ-pass construction. Ironically the detour is the toll shunpike along DE-2 and DE-4 into Maryland.

Not anymore.  The posted detour now (from both directions of DE 896) is to take I-95 north to Exit 3B (DE 273 west) and loop back to I-95 south there.  You'd think they would at least have people turn around at the Welcome Center.
Title: Project to untangle Delaware's busiest interchange
Post by: Alex on August 21, 2010, 10:29:31 PM
Project to untangle Delaware's busiest interchange (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100821/NEWS02/8210337/1006/NEWS/Project-to-untangle-busiest-interchange)
Expect three years of vexation, though, at I-95 and Del. 1

By JEFF MONTGOMERY - The News Journal - August 21, 2010

It's among the most-notorious "Ts" on Delaware's traffic map, a source of endless aggravation for the hundreds of thousands of motorists who slog daily along I-95 and Del. 1 near Christiana Mall.

Now officials say that life around the busiest interchange at the busiest stretch of I-95 in Delaware will take a turn for the better, starting as early as next spring.

But only after a multiyear, $191 million detour through Work Area Purgatory.

"There are all kinds of conflicts that are going to be alleviated with these plans," said Mike Williams, DelDOT spokesman. "It's not going to be a short-term construction project. It will probably be two or three seasons, and it's going to have to be done under traffic. It might be a little dicey -- a little setback to get a large gain."

Proof of DelDOT's progress toward the start of work on new high-speed ramps between the two big highways came this week, with a request for last-minute changes to federal wetland impact statements. Advertisements for construction bids are scheduled to be released in September and October, with all work under way before the end of 2011.

Final approvals will clear the way for work on two new dedicated "flyover" lanes that will carry traffic from northbound Del. 1 to northbound I-95. Another two dedicated and isolated lanes will open for southbound I-95 traffic moving to southbound Del. 1.

Other lanes will untangle local traffic to and from the Christiana and Christiana Mall area, and eliminate a maddening series of jogs, weaves and Jersey barriers that keep horns blaring and lights flashing throughout rush hours.

"It's one of those daily irritants that I think at this point a lot of people take in stride, but I'm sure they're anxious to see something done," said Glenn Pusey Jr., a Bear-Glasgow community representative on a citizen panel that advises WILMAPCO, a regional transportation planning group.

Pusey, a retired DelDOT highway engineer and manager, said the interchange was once considered "adequate," but traffic and suburban growth erased that claim long ago.

Current-year WILMAPCO traffic estimates show that 233,725 cars and trucks move along I-95 north of Del. 1 daily, while 106,090 travel Del. 1 south of the interstate each day.

Counts for I-95 are 16 percent higher than the number predicted for this year in a WILMAPCO forecast issued in 2004. Current Del. 1 traffic levels are 14 percent higher than was predicted just six years ago.

By comparison, federal records this year list just 41 highway segments nationwide with more than 250,000 vehicles per day on average, with Interstate 270 in the Maryland-D.C.-Virginia area listed as having just over 250,000.

"In terms of its regional importance, that 'T' connects the top of the state with the bottom of the state," said Dan Blevins, a WILMAPCO planner. "It has become the easiest way to access I-95 if you're coming from southern parts of the peninsula. Not just Delaware, but the Delmarva Peninsula."

Pressure will grow with development of the new U.S. 301 connector, a project that will funnel traffic from the Middletown area, parts of Eastern Shore Maryland and the Chesapeake Bay Bridge to the Del. 1 Roth Bridge south of Christiana.

"Demand has outstripped the current alignment" already, Blevins said.

"You'll see a lot of phasing" of construction, Blevins added. "There have been discussions with the Christiana Mall about limiting or curtailing lane closures from Thanksgiving to Christmas."

DelDOT already has completed construction of a fifth through-lane on I-95 to handle the extra traffic to and from Del. 1.

Along the northbound side of the interstate, Del. 1 traffic will merge from both sides.

Contractors also are building new high-speed toll collection lanes on I-95 at Newark.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on August 22, 2010, 07:27:06 AM
'Course, if the northern half of Delaware wasn't "sprawl city", the mess wouldn't be as bad.  Still a mess with all the mall ramps, but not as bad.
Title: Delaware roads: Troubles pile up for inlet bridge
Post by: Alex on August 29, 2010, 10:06:23 PM
Delaware roads: Troubles pile up for inlet bridge (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100829/NEWS02/8290369/1006/NEWS/Troubles-pile-up-for-inlet-bridge)
Title: DelDOT moves forward with Del. 54 widening project
Post by: Alex on September 08, 2010, 12:01:17 PM
DelDOT moves forward with Del. 54 widening project (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100907/NEWS/100907036/-1/updates/DelDOT-moves-forward-with-Del.-54-widening-project)

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The state Department of Transportation is about to move forward with a Del. 54 improvement project, which will address safety and traffic issues caused by development along the east-west thoroughfare in southeastern Sussex County.

The project, which has been in the works since an initial survey was conducted in 2003, will increase the width of the road by 40 feet, making room for left turn lanes, a bicycle lane and sidewalks.

Road construction will be conducted in a two-mile span between Selbyville and Fenwick Island, from the west end of the highway at Bayside on Del. 20 to the Mallard Lake Development at Keenwick Road.

DelDOT spokesperson Michael Williams said a bid of about $10 million has been accepted for the project, although an award letter has not yet been issued.

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The intersection of Del. 20 and Del. 54 will see a significant improvement through the project, he said.

"With the increased development in that area in the last couple years and the heavy traffic in summer, a dedicated turn lane is the perfect option," he said.
Title: Wilmington (DE) adds seven traffic cameras
Post by: Alex on September 20, 2010, 12:31:06 PM
Wilmington adds seven traffic cameras (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100920/NEWS/9200328/-1/updates/Wilmington-adds-seven-traffic-cameras)

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WILMINGTON -- Seven new red-light cameras will be added to the 27 already in place in the city -- and all will soon be converted to digital technology.

The new cameras will be activated Oct. 4, Police Chief Michael Szczerba said.

The new locations are eastbound on Pennsylvania Avenue at Lincoln Street, eastbound Pennsylvania Avenue at Franklin Street, eastbound Lancaster Avenue at Cleveland Avenue, southbound South Heald Street at D Street, westbound Fourth Street at Adams Street, westbound Fourth Street at Washington Street and westbound Lancaster Avenue at Cleveland Avenue.

The digital conversion will provide better-quality images of vehicles traveling through intersections and will better allow city officials to determine if violations actually took place. For example, the new images will make it easier to determine if a vehicle came to a complete stop at a red light before making a right turn, Szczerba said.

Vehicle owners will still get photos sent to them, but they soon will be able to view a 10- second video of the alleged infraction online, city Communications Director John Rago said.

The digital conversion of the 27 current red-light cameras will be done by December.

Mayor James M. Baker said the program has reduced red-light violations at intersections by about 50 percent since the program began in 2001, making them safer.

But critics have called the program a money grab. The $110 tickets generate about $2.2 million a year. About 37 percent of that goes to ACS Government Solutions, the Baltimore company that manages the red-light program for the city.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on September 25, 2010, 11:14:44 AM
More of why the country's roads will never get any better, too much opposition... This article slants heavily toward the NIMBY's, so beware.

State's road plan under fire (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100921/NEWS/9210335/1006/State-s-road-plan-under-fire)

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The land between Millsboro and Frankford is home to many Sussex County poultry farms and cornfields, a quiet, rural area that has co-existed peacefully with U.S. 113 since the highway was built almost a century ago.

But now, as a state road project threatens to split their countryside, residents and farmers are joining forces to fight the $839 million bypass the state says is needed to keep roads from clogging in the decades ahead.

Hundreds of county residents have told state transportation officials they don’t want its U.S. 113 bypass plan, mounting a level of opposition reminiscent of the effort that halted a similar, related project near Milford in 2008.

From her neighbor’s backyard, Nancy Davis looks out at Betts Pond, just outside Millsboro, where the calm water is often used by fishermen and kayakers.

Under DelDOT’s plan, a highway bridge would span part of the pond to route cars around downtown Millsboro, destroying the tranquility she and her neighbors love.

“It’s quiet around here,”  Davis said. “We want to keep it that way.”

More than 700 people are on record opposing the Delaware Department of Transportation's preferred route, compared with fewer than 50 people who support state's plan. Millsboro Town Council and the town's mayor have voted to support the plan.

The opposition was documented in petitions, comment forms, letters and e-mails submitted to DelDOT.

DelDOT initially attempted to keep the identities of the writers secret, citing privacy concerns, and released them only after The News Journal appealed to the Attorney General's Office under the Freedom of Information Act. The office agreed that the identities of the commenters were crucial to understanding the agency's decision on the project.

The not-in-my-backyard battle pits DelDOT's portrait of a highway clogged with beach-bound traffic against people who say the plan would run too close to residential neighborhoods, divide or ruin farmland and cost too much money.

"Highway engineers get kind of taken away with their maps and lines and grandiose projects, and sometimes it takes the citizens and Legislature to get them back to the ground level," said Frankford-area orchard owner Jim Bennett, a leading opponent.

The debate has attracted residents not just from the Millsboro-to-Selbyville corridor. A petition drive run by three Millsboro-area residents snagged more than 500 signatures this summer. Davis and her neighbor, David Potter, were among the leaders.

"I didn't talk to anybody in favor of the bypass," Davis said.

The fight has energized farmers whose land would be taken, with the politically powerful county Farm Bureau weighing in against the project.

"They're going to cut off this pristine farmland just so somebody could get to the beach five minutes faster," said third-generation farmer Paul Parsons, who will have three of his family's four Dagsboro-area farm parcels affected -- the bypass slicing them in half or running along the edge. "It's just ridiculous."

Others have expressed concern about the environmental impact as the bypass bridges Indian River, Pepper Creek and Vines Creek.

"They are pristine watersheds, with a major highway," Bennett said.

Linda Mancuso, who lives on Betts Pond Road outside Millsboro, said she understands the need for a bypass but doesn't quite get why it's so close to her home.

"Basically, they're in our backyard," Mancuso said. "It just seems like our central area right there is taking a large brunt of this bypass."

DelDOT officials say they're just proceeding with a traffic-oriented imperative. If something isn't done, they say, in two more decades, U.S. 113 will be almost too clogged to move.

"The people living and doing business in the area in 2030 are going to thank us for having that foresight," said spokesman Mike Williams. "This isn't about today -- it's about 20, 30 years from now."

He said residents' complaints that the plan is simply focused on beach-bound tourists are wrong -- it's meant to address both long-distance and local drivers.

Many of the opponents are demanding the 12.7-mile bypass from north of Millsboro to south of Frankford be dropped in favor of widening and improving the existing highway corridor. That "on-alignment" option is being proposed for other phases of the project in Georgetown and Ellendale.

The state has set aside $1 million for early land purchases and development for the Millsboro-south portion. DelDOT said projects such as this are usually funded up to 80 percent by the federal government, putting Delaware's share at about $167 million.

Today, the dual highway is a main corridor for residents who commute to Georgetown and Dover from the south. Truck traffic still hauls poultry from processing plants, but the chickens have been joined during the summer by a huge flow of beach traffic.

Tourists can head directly south to Ocean City, Md., or use Del. 24, 26 or 54 to get to Delaware's southern resorts, bypassing often-clogged Del. 1 at Lewes and Rehoboth Beach.

DelDOT's preferred plan also turns part of U.S. 113 into a limited-access highway from south of Frankford -- where the bypass would connect -- to the state line at Selbyville. On that portion of the highway, the "on-alignment" element, residents and business owners will be able to access U.S. 113, but will have to use an overpass to head in the opposite direction.

Bennett has a keen perspective on the situation -- he served as a member of the original working group of area residents, business owners and civic leaders who gave input on options.

He and others say instead of building a bypass, DelDOT should widen and improve the existing U.S. 113 footprint, perhaps adding lanes gradually as time and money allows.

Bennett said the state's plan -- to build the bypass first and then improve the southern section of the highway, from south of Frankford to the state line, would create a huge mess when the bypass dumps travelers back onto an unimproved highway.

"This is going to have to be built in its entirety," Bennett said. "You can't just build half of it and end up with people nowhere."

By 2030, traffic along the north-south corridor between Millsboro and the state line at Selbyville could increase by up to 53 percent -- almost 20,000 more cars a day. By 2025 on Del. 24, an east-west route that connects with U.S. 113 in Millsboro, driving will be so slow, it will be more like walking, residents fear.

That's the reason area residents such as Karen Twilley support the project.

Twilley lives on the west side of the highway outside Millsboro, and said it takes too much time to get from one side of town to the other -- up to a half-hour to travel three miles at some times. If she needs to go to a doctor's appointment in Rehoboth, for example, "to get through that mess is torture," she said.

"The traffic is insane," Twilley said. "Something needs to happen."
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on September 25, 2010, 08:14:22 PM
Bennett has a point.  They should start at the north end and work their way south, unless there's a documented need for separate interchange improvements further south that would have independent utility.  Meanwhile, upgrading DE 1 to a freeway between Dover and Milford would be a good start.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on September 27, 2010, 10:54:29 AM
I really have to wonder if widening US 113 to a freeway with service roads would really cost less than a bypass.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: deathtopumpkins on September 27, 2010, 03:11:48 PM
I highly doubt it. If development comes right up to the road, which it does on several portions of 113, then just the necessary land for building the frontage roads would require taking land from every single business along the road, not to mention land required for interchanges.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on September 27, 2010, 03:33:54 PM
However, as a general rule, US 113 has a wide median that could be utilized for at least part of the freeway portion, and most of the buildings adjacent to 113 are set back far enough to where the vast bulk of your land-taking would be landscaping and some parking spots, but not the buildings themselves.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: deathtopumpkins on September 28, 2010, 10:25:26 AM
Well even taking landscaping and parking lots would still be expensive... And if I recall correctly, the wide median is only through certain towns.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on October 12, 2010, 08:19:45 AM
Noticed 2 more roundabouts in southern New Castle County on Friday:  at DE 15/St. Annes Church Rd, and at St. Annes Church Rd/Wiggins Mill Rd.  Both junctions involved realignment of all roads involved, and all have a 4th, currently unused leg to serve future development.  If you look at Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=39.427243,-75.733545&spn=0.011702,0.02738&z=16), you can see the ROW plats for both junctions.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on October 12, 2010, 10:11:39 AM
Noticed 2 more roundabouts in southern New Castle County on Friday:  at DE 15/St. Annes Church Rd, and at St. Annes Church Rd/Wiggins Mill Rd.  Both junctions involved realignment of all roads involved, and all have a 4th, currently unused leg to serve future development.  If you look at Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=39.427243,-75.733545&spn=0.011702,0.02738&z=16), you can see the ROW plats for both junctions.

Both those unused legs are going to serve the same development - Westown Phase 1 (free-standing houses, townhouses, and apartments) will be going in to the north.  I laid out the new property lines for that not too long ago.  I guess Google Maps hasn't caught up with us here at New Castle County.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on October 16, 2010, 11:06:39 AM
U.S. 301 improvements in Middletown on target (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20101015/NEWS/101015048/-1/updates/U.S.-301-improvements-in-Middletown-on-target)

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The $11 million project should be done by the end of the year, but motorists can still expect delays in the meantime

By ROBIN BROWN - The News Journal - October 15, 2010

An $11 million project to improve U.S. 301 in the Middletown area is on schedule to be finished by the end of the year, state road officials said today.

But motorists can expect some daytime delays Monday and Tuesday as the next phase of the project begins.

The massive project -- blamed for creating a variety of traffic issues including minor crashes involving inattentive drivers -- began in July 2008, with A-Del Construction as its primary contractor.

Jim Westhoff, a DelDOT community relations officer, said the upcoming delays will be caused by the removal and replacement of concrete barriers to establish a new traffic pattern.

Traffic will be shifted to the outside lanes of each direction between Del. 299 and Ash Boulevard, Westhoff said.

“This lane shift is necessary to allow contractors to complete new medians and turn lanes,”  he said.

The new traffic pattern is expected to last about six weeks, Westhoff said, to be followed by the final placement of asphalt on U.S. 301 north of Del. 299.

But, he said, “because the work is weather sensitive, this phase of the project could be prolonged by poor conditions.”
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: njroadhorse on October 17, 2010, 09:13:37 AM
^ Does that tie into the proposed 301 turnpike proposal, or is this in a different location?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on October 17, 2010, 09:58:33 PM
Separate from the turnpike proposal.  This was improvements along the existing route.
Title: Major delays expected at I-95 toll plaza during holiday
Post by: Alex on November 19, 2010, 12:10:25 PM
One of my old traditions on the day before Thanksgiving was to drive a way home from work that day that took me over Interstate 95 near the toll plaza (Otts Chapel Road or Welsh Tract Road) so I could see how bad it truly was.

Major delays expected at I-95 toll plaza during holiday (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20101118/NEWS/101118021/-1/updates/Major-delays-expected-at-I-95-toll-plaza-during-holiday)

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Construction at the I-95 toll plaza near Newark is expected to cause extreme delays next week because of the Thanksgiving holiday, the Delaware Department of Transportation said.

Travel delays are expected to start as early as Tuesday morning and continue until the evening of Nov. 29. At peak times, delays are expected to stretch for miles.

DelDOT released a chart (http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?template=zoom&Site=BL&Date=20101118&Category=NEWS&ArtNo=101118021&Ref=V1) showing expected peak travel times on I-95 during the holiday weekend.

Motorists are encouraged to use alternative routes or to travel during hours with lower traffic volumes.
Title: Delaware roads: I-95 toll is region's biggest backup
Post by: Alex on November 24, 2010, 12:05:46 PM
Delaware roads: I-95 toll is region's biggest backup (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20101124/NEWS02/11240355/1006/NEWS)

Unfinished expansion could lead to 20-mile holiday jams

By JEFF MONTGOMERY - The News Journal - November 24, 2010

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Plenty of people come through the door these days at Leon's Garden Center on Elkton Road, not far from the busy I-95 toll plaza near the Delaware-Maryland line.

Too often, owner Leon Silicki said Tuesday, they're looking for a way to beat toll plaza charges and epic interstate traffic snarls near Newark that DelDOT warns could reach meltdown levels this Thanksgiving.

"Traffic is incredible. Our big thing is we probably have 50 people coming in a day, asking 'How do I get back to I-95,' because they don't want to go through the toll or pay the toll," Silicki said. "It's almost to the point where it becomes annoying for local people."

By Sunday, Delaware's stretch of I-95 will likely be annoying for a lot more than locals as an unfinished, $32 million toll plaza expansion turns into the biggest holiday traffic turkey of any predicted by highway, bridge and airport agencies across the mid-Atlantic.

Usually reserved DelDOT officials have admitted publicly that lane and toll-booth closings are likely to cause backups in coming days that will last through Monday. Problems "are expected to be greater than in recent years, and could stretch for miles and take hours to clear."

Jim Lardear, public and government affairs director for AAA Mid-Atlantic, said Tuesday that backups could stretch 20 miles, dwarfing last year's seven-mile crawl.

"It's important that people plan ahead and look for alternatives," Lardear said.

Warnings about the Delaware bottleneck already have gone out to highway agencies from North Carolina to Boston, and roadside message boards have been placed in Pennsylvania and Maryland miles before the Delaware line.

"We seriously considered offering alternate route directions, but it became an overwhelming task, because we have thousands of different destination points from start to end," said Michael Williams of DelDOT.

Newark's toll plaza handled an average 73,000 vehicles daily last year, peaking at 130,000 on the Sunday after Thanksgiving.

Forecasts for travelers elsewhere were relatively serene, by comparison.


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The Maryland Transportation Authority holiday advisory focused heavily on Delaware's choke point. MTA officials also cautioned that the U.S. 40 Hatem Memorial Bridge over the Susquehanna River at Perryville was unlikely to offer solace for those abandoning I-95, because of lane closings and construction on that span.


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An estimated 700,000 vehicles are expected to travel I-95 in Maryland, and 460,000 are predicted for the Chesapeake Bay Bridge crossing east of Annapolis.

Jenny Robinson of the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation said the Keystone State, like Delaware and Maryland, halts construction projects during the Thanksgiving holiday whenever possible to keep traffic flowing even in heavy hours.

"Thanksgiving is the busiest travel season of the year. There's going to be a lot of volume on the highways regardless of whether or not there's construction," Robinson said. "People certainly should be aware of that and plan on extra time."

Pennsylvania and surrounding states will step up police patrols and enforcement of seat-belt laws and other regulations, Robinson added.

Delaware River and Bay Authority Police Master Cpl. Joseph DiStefano said all lanes and booths will be open on the twin spans of the Delaware Memorial Bridge this holiday, with traffic for Wednesday through Sunday expected to hit 320,000 vehicles, up from 316,000 last year.

Traffic is expected to be heaviest from 3 to 8 p.m. today, DiStefano cautioned.

States all along the Atlantic Coast now maintain websites that offer real-time maps with highways color-coded by current congestion levels. DelDOT's map page is at www.del dot.gov/traffic/map.ejs. PennDOT operates a travel advisory at www.511pa.com. Maryland's version is at www.traffic.md.gov.

In addition, the multi-state I-95 Corridor Coalition maintains an elaborate trip-planning and congestion-monitoring site at www.i95travelinfo.net.

The coalition service allows travelers to get estimates of current travel times and locate bottlenecks at any point along I-95 and nearby interstates between Florida and Maine. By Tuesday afternoon, the Newark-area portion of the coalition's map was locked in a state of perpetual red and purple, codes for heavy and stop-and-go traffic.

Title: Free Del. tolls smooth drive
Post by: Alex on November 25, 2010, 04:55:35 PM
Free Del. tolls smooth drive and fliers elect not to 'opt-out' (http://mobile.baltimoresun.com/wap/news/text.jsp?sid=297&nid=29859721&title=Top%2520Stories&nstart=0&cid=17076&scid=1956&from=&redir=&ith=0&storytitle=Free%2520Del.%2520tolls%2520smooth%2520drive%2520and%2520fliers%2520elect%2520not%2520to%2520%27opt-out%27)

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Thanksgiving holiday travelers caught some breaks Wednesday as Delaware moved to uncork a potentially historic bottleneck by waiving tolls on its turnpike, and a much-publicized protest at the nation's airports appeared to have fizzled.

The decision to suspend collection of northbound Delaware Turnpike tolls between 3:15 p.m. and 11 p.m. Wednesday came after traffic backed up nearly six miles onto Maryland's John F. Kennedy Memorial Highway. Though the toll plaza at Newark is a well-known bottleneck where hourlong delays are not unusual, it was the first time in at least 15 years the state has waived collections.

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The delays were far more severe Wednesday for auto travelers heading through Delaware – at least until the tolls were waived. Shortly before 3 p.m., the Maryland Transportation Authority estimated the delay at the toll plaza at 30 minutes.

In the days leading up to the holiday, transportation officials in the two states had issued public warnings that construction at the toll plaza could result in a traffic jam of historic proportions – perhaps stretching a far back as the Susquehanna River – because of a construction project that has closed three of the nine northbound toll lanes.

The public warnings may have had their intended effect. Teri Moss, a spokeswoman for the Maryland toll authority, said the vehicle count at the Kennedy Highway toll plaza leading to Delaware was 3,000 between 4 p.m. and 5 p.m. Wednesday – compared with 4,200 the same time a year ago. She said that could indicate many travelers changed their routes or travel times.

Moss said that after Delaware waived the tolls, the backups into Maryland eased considerably. By late afternoon, a traffic camera on I-95 at Elkton, which had earlier captured a slow-moving backup, showed that traffic was heavy but flowing freely.

Michael Williams, a spokesman for the Delaware transportation department, said travelers shouldn't necessarily expect that the state will be as generous with southbound travelers this weekend.

The traffic conditions affecting the northbound lanes Wednesday were "certainly exceptional," he said.

"We've never had lane closures that couldn't be opened before a major holiday," he said, adding that it was the first time in the 15 years he's been with the agency that tolls were waived.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on December 09, 2010, 11:54:21 AM
Delaware government: DelDOT urged to reroute US 113 project (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20101209/NEWS02/12090357/1006/NEWS)
No local support, lawmakers say

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REHOBOTH BEACH -- Political opposition grew on Wednesday to a proposed 16-mile bypass of U.S. 113 in Sussex County, threatening the future of the project.

Three state lawmakers met privately with Transportation Secretary Carolann Wicks in Rehoboth Beach in an effort to stop the current plan.

"There's no support for the southern end of the route," said Sen. George Bunting Jr., D-Bethany Beach, referring to residents of Dagsboro, Frankford and Selbyville. "I don't know how there can be a much stronger signal than that."

There's not much support for the northern route, either. Several legislators, including those who attended the meeting, have expressed outrage that the state has been paying a group of developers led by Robert Tunnell Jr. $50,000 a month since 2008 to reserve land for the project near where Del. 24 intersects U.S. 113.

The state is also paying a developer at the Dagsboro end of the route $10,000 a month not to build.

The News Journal reported on Sunday that the deals are costing taxpayers $721,000 a year, ostensibly to prevent the developers from launching new housing complexes during the worst housing market in Sussex County's history.

"My personal opinion is it [the project] costs too much money," said Sen. Robert Venables Sr., D-Laurel, who co-chaired the bond bill committee but did not attend the meeting Wednesday. The proposed eastern bypass does not make sense, he said, because of the need for three bridges, including a span twice as long as the new bridge over the Indian River Inlet. That project has been plagued with problems.

About six years ago, a study group began investigating the feasibility of a U.S. 113 relief route to direct traffic around Millsboro, where the highway has the highest fatality rate of any state highway. Many accidents have occurred at the numerous intersections along the roadway. Traffic on the overburdened road is primarily regulated with stop signs and yield signs.

Traffic in the rural area has increased steadily as vacationers from more populous areas have jammed roads leading to the state's beach towns.

REHOBOTH BEACH -- Political opposition grew on Wednesday to a proposed 16-mile bypass of U.S. 113 in Sussex County, threatening the future of the project.

Three state lawmakers met privately with Transportation Secretary Carolann Wicks in Rehoboth Beach in an effort to stop the current plan.

"There's no support for the southern end of the route," said Sen. George Bunting Jr., D-Bethany Beach, referring to residents of Dagsboro, Frankford and Selbyville. "I don't know how there can be a much stronger signal than that."

There's not much support for the northern route, either. Several legislators, including those who attended the meeting, have expressed outrage that the state has been paying a group of developers led by Robert Tunnell Jr. $50,000 a month since 2008 to reserve land for the project near where Del. 24 intersects U.S. 113.

The state is also paying a developer at the Dagsboro end of the route $10,000 a month not to build.

The News Journal reported on Sunday that the deals are costing taxpayers $721,000 a year, ostensibly to prevent the developers from launching new housing complexes during the worst housing market in Sussex County's history.

"My personal opinion is it [the project] costs too much money," said Sen. Robert Venables Sr., D-Laurel, who co-chaired the bond bill committee but did not attend the meeting Wednesday. The proposed eastern bypass does not make sense, he said, because of the need for three bridges, including a span twice as long as the new bridge over the Indian River Inlet. That project has been plagued with problems.

About six years ago, a study group began investigating the feasibility of a U.S. 113 relief route to direct traffic around Millsboro, where the highway has the highest fatality rate of any state highway. Many accidents have occurred at the numerous intersections along the roadway. Traffic on the overburdened road is primarily regulated with stop signs and yield signs.

Traffic in the rural area has increased steadily as vacationers from more populous areas have jammed roads leading to the state's beach towns.

DelDOT decided in April that the route proposed for a bypass would take traffic to the east of Millsboro, Dagsboro and Frankford. The crescent-shaped highway, known variously as the blue route and Millsboro-South Area, is estimated to affect 1,298 acres. The project needs to be approved by the Federal Highway Administration. Wicks has said the earliest that approval could come would be 2012. It is expected to cost between $687 million and $839 million.

Sen. Harris McDowell, R-Wilmington North, said the residents of Sussex County presented strong arguments when they came before the bond bill committee last spring to oppose the bypass project.

"I thought they made a very good case," he said.

As the meeting with Bunting broke up on Wednesday, Rep. John Atkins, D-Millsboro, and Rep. Gerald Hocker, R-Ocean View, said they asked Wicks to focus first on the Millsboro problem by moving the route north through land already owned by the state, eliminating the need for access to the Tunnell project.

Atkins said he suggested that the route go farther north before rejoining U.S. 113 on state-owned land near Sussex Central High School and the Stockley Center.

"John's idea is the best solution I've heard so far," Bunting said of Atkins' proposal. "I think we brought some things to light."

Wicks said the legislators outlined their objections to the alignment and DelDOT will continue "to work on their concerns and issues." She was accompanied by the recently-named deputy transportation secretary, Cleon Cauley Sr., who is a land-use lawyer.

Gov. Jack Markell and Wicks on Monday announced they would investigate the deals in response to outrage from citizens and legislators.

Markell appointed his chief of staff, Tom McGonigle, to conduct a "thorough review" of the two agreements.

The review will examine the process for making agreements in advance of highway construction. The agency has no formal policy defining or governing such agreements, according to Frederick Schranck, deputy attorney general assigned to DelDOT.

Bunting said Wednesday he is glad Markell has called for the investigation.

The process for acquiring land in advance of highway construction "should be more open," Bunting said.

The legislators were "the last in line" to be told, he said. "The public should know about it."

Angry citizens are contacting local lawmakers to request the project not be funded. Venables said he plans to meet with a group of concerned residents this week.

"I just doubt DelDOT's ability to build three new bridges, including a new span across the Indian River," said Carrie Bennett of Frankford.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on December 18, 2010, 10:51:46 AM
Going expected to be slow again for holiday travelers (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20101218/NEWS/12180326/1006/Going-expected-to-be-slow-again-for-holiday-travelers)

State warns drivers of toll-plaza backups

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Another holiday, another traffic nightmare.

That's the warning Delaware travel authorities are sending to Christmas drivers, who could find themselves stuck in the same kinds of backups that made Thanksgiving a headache for hundreds of thousands of people.

The I-95 toll plaza near Newark is still undergoing reconstruction, so there are fewer travel lanes to handle the crush of holiday traffic, which AAA Mid-Atlantic predicts will be greater than last year.

The Delaware Department of Transportation said this week the delays "could stretch for miles and take hours to clear," the same wording the agency used in its pre-Thanksgiving message.

Combined with some of the region's highest per-mile toll rates, the congestion in Delaware angers people like Greg Cohen, president of the American Highway Users Alliance, a nonprofit group based in Washington, D.C., that pushes for safe and uncongested highways.

"It's still frustrating for people from out of state to pay these tolls year after year and then sit in traffic year after year," Cohen said.

At Thanksgiving, the crush of traffic led to 10-mile backups. On the Wednesday before the holiday, DelDOT waived the tolls for about 21,000 northbound drivers stalled by an overturned tractor-trailer, costing the state about $86,000 in lost income.

DelDOT should consider waiving its tolls again if traffic piles up for Christmas travelers, Cohen said.

"If you're charging people a toll, you should provide a guaranteed level of service," Cohen said. "If you can't do that, you should waive the toll. It's a lot of money, but it would be a nice Christmas present for a lot of people."

DelDOT isn't inclined to do that again, an official told the Delaware Economic and Financial Advisory Council on Friday.

"It was an emergency situation," said Brian Motyl, administrator of DelDOT's Transportation Trust Fund, which pays for road projects statewide. But "we have to be careful when we do that because it is a revenue source."

The Thanksgiving jam could have been worse, DelDOT Secretary Carolann Wicks said in a statement this week.

Drivers heeded the agency's dire warnings and apparently found alternative routes, she said. Traffic through the toll plaza was down nearly 10 percent, or almost 69,000 vehicles, from last year.

Cohen was unmoved.

"In the spirit of the season, I don't want to be mean about it, but that's small comfort for people who want to take the most direct route to their destination," Cohen said.

DelDOT said the toll plaza reconstruction project will help alleviate the kind of congestion it has been causing lately.

Once finished, the plaza will have two high-speed E-ZPass lanes and seven cash lanes in each direction. Also, the plaza will get wider northbound approach lanes, new signs and pavement markings, better lighting and an overhead passage for toll collectors.

The $32 million project is funded by the federal stimulus program, known as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.

"Perhaps when all the pain of the reconstruction is over, we'll all be cheering Delaware," Cohen said.

AAA Mid-Atlantic predicts more than 25,000 Delawareans will travel at least 50 miles from home during the Christmas season, an increase of 3.4 percent from last year, said spokesman Jim Lardear.

"You can figure most of those people will be on I-95," he said.

Nationwide, 92.3 million Americans are expected to travel between Dec. 23 and Jan. 2, an increase of 3.1 percent from last year, AAA reported.

Nearly all of those travelers -- 94 percent in Delaware, 93 percent nationwide -- are expected to go by car.

AAA has predicted increases in holiday travel all year, which is an indicator of an improving economy, Lardear said.

Drivers may be frustrated by a recent spike in gas prices -- the average is now $3.11 a gallon in Delaware, up from $2.55 last year -- but they're keeping their travel plans intact, he said.

Delaware has a bad reputation among many out-of-state travelers because of its congestion and high toll, Cohen said. Delaware's charge of $4 each way for passenger vehicles is one of the highest per-mile tolls on I-95, which stretches 1,830 miles between Maine and Florida.

There are no tolls on I-95 south of Baltimore all the way to Miami. When the federal government banned tolls on interstate highways in 1956, Delaware and other northeastern states were exempted because they already had tolls on the roads, Cohen said.

"But still, it isn't very nice to take advantage of people," he said.

DelDOT collected $117.2 million in I-95 tolls last year. They money makes up about 28 percent of the state's Transportation Trust Fund, which pays for road projects statewide.

"Most of the locals know to avoid that interchange," Lardear said. But out-of-state travelers "don't know the way around it, so they get stuck in it."

Alternate routes like U.S. 40, U.S. 1 and U.S. 301 aren't designed to handle the 73,000 vehicles that pass through the toll plaza daily, let alone the 130,000 vehicles typical for a peak travel day, Lardear said.

Cohen said he knows the local roads that will take him around the toll plaza and past a doughnut shop or a diner with good milkshakes.

"It's not good for my waistline, but I'd rather stop there because I'd rather not pay the toll," he said.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on December 18, 2010, 12:22:44 PM
Cohen's an idiot, as is the article writer to a lesser extent.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: J N Winkler on December 19, 2010, 07:26:45 AM
Delaware seems to be going through a change in contract nomenclature.  The project code for the just-advertised (large) I-95/SR 1 improvement is given on the DelDOT website and on the plans title sheet as T200809003, but all the drawing chopblocks and the project limits sheet still say 28-090-03.  There is a smaller bridge job, maybe part of the overall construction program, under code T201009004.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on December 19, 2010, 11:18:52 AM

DelDOT said the toll plaza reconstruction project will help alleviate the kind of congestion it has been causing lately.

Once finished, the plaza will have two high-speed E-ZPass lanes and seven cash lanes in each direction. Also, the plaza will get wider northbound approach lanes, new signs and pavement markings, better lighting and an overhead passage for toll collectors.

I don't think that will be helpful enough.  The best solution here, if not implementing 100% open road tolling, is at least to go to one-way tolling.  (Southbound to complement the NB toll at the Susquehanna.)  That gives you several more booths in the tolled direction and no more backups in the open direction.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: njroadhorse on December 19, 2010, 08:04:30 PM

DelDOT said the toll plaza reconstruction project will help alleviate the kind of congestion it has been causing lately.

Once finished, the plaza will have two high-speed E-ZPass lanes and seven cash lanes in each direction. Also, the plaza will get wider northbound approach lanes, new signs and pavement markings, better lighting and an overhead passage for toll collectors.

I don't think that will be helpful enough.  The best solution here, if not implementing 100% open road tolling, is at least to go to one-way tolling.  (Southbound to complement the NB toll at the Susquehanna.)  That gives you several more booths in the tolled direction and no more backups in the open direction.
If they do that, then I feel it would only be necessary to do that for the Delaware Memorial Bridge, but in the free direction at the border.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mightyace on December 20, 2010, 12:32:00 PM
As many of you know, I'm not a big fan of All Electronic Tolling.

However, the Newark toll barrier makes the strongest case I've seen so far for an AET setup.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on January 08, 2011, 11:03:38 AM
Delaware roads: Trouble again delays Indian River Inlet bridge (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110108/NEWS02/101080358/1006/NEWS)

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The $150 million Indian River Inlet bridge has been delayed for the second time in recent months and is now not scheduled to open until December.

The latest trouble for the 2,600-foot span centers on massive, hanging frames that will be used in molding each of the over-water segments of the structure...

...Contractor Skanska USA has hoisted one of the frames to a point close to its starting position near the bridge's north tower. A second will be positioned on the south side in several weeks, said Geoff Sundstrom, DelDOT deputy public-relations director.

Months were lost, however, after workers discovered that a key pair of 200-ton metal frames needed extensive reinforcement and modification before they can be used to mold the 24-foot, 400-ton sections of reinforced concrete that will support the roadway.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on February 19, 2011, 11:03:44 AM
Delaware government: DelDOT chief Carolann Wicks steps down (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110219/NEWS02/102190357/DelDOT-chief-Carolann-Wicks-steps-down?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on February 22, 2011, 04:38:31 PM
Construction of new Christiana Mall bridge starts next week (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110222/NEWS/102220343/Construction-new-Christiana-Mall-bridge-starts-next-week?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Home|s)

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Construction is set to begin next week on a new bridge over Del. 1 into Christiana Mall.

Mumford & Miller, a Middletown-based contractor, has been awarded the $12.2 million contract to build the bridge, the Delaware Department of Transportation announced Monday.

The project is scheduled to start Monday and be completed within 259 days, DelDOT said.

The work will require nighttime road closures for now, said DelDOT spokesman Bob King. As the project nears completion, daytime closures will be needed for short periods, he said.

"If you're talking about nighttime travel, there will be a lane or two closed," he said. "During the day, there won't be many closures."

The project involves construction of the new bridge about a tenth of a mile south of the existing bridge. The new bridge will tie in to the mall's "ring road."

The bridge project is part of the much larger redesign of the interchange at I-95 and Del. 1, which has become increasingly congested during rush hour and holidays.

High-speed ramps will be built to connect Del. 1 northbound with I-95 northbound and to connect I-95 southbound with Del. 1 southbound.

The bridge over Del. 1 must move south to make space for the elevation and slope of the connection ramps, King said.

Construction of those ramps is expected to begin later this year, DelDOT said. Bids for the contract are scheduled to be opened next month.

The ramps are the final piece of DelDOT's I-95 Improvement Program, which has cost about $135 million so far. That project, which began in the late 1990s, involved:

-Building an interchange at the Churchmans Road and Del. 7 intersection.

-Rebuilding the Churchmans Road bridge over I-95.

-Rehabilitating the ramps at I-95 and Del. 896.

-Adding a fifth lane along I-95 both northbound and southbound near Christiana Mall and Del. 141.

-Building high-speed E-ZPass lanes at the I-95 toll plaza in Newark, which is expected to be finished this summer.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on February 26, 2011, 12:22:21 PM
Delaware government: Sussex lawmakers agree to downsized highway expansion (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110226/NEWS02/102260343/Sussex-lawmakers-agree-downsized-highway-expansion?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Local)

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Prodded by Gov. Jack Markell's threat to kill the U.S. 113 project south of Milford, Sussex lawmakers have tentatively agreed to support a scaled-back highway expansion plan that would partially bypass Millsboro but keep improvements to the north and south on the existing alignment.

The consensus approach -- not put to a vote -- could include a two- or four-lane route that would connect U.S. 113 near Sussex Central High School and the Stockley Center to Del. 24 near Mountaire's poultry processing plant, east of Millsboro.

Legislators who attended a meeting on the project at DelDOT's Georgetown offices Wednesday said the connector would divert some east-west traffic and poultry trucks around Millsboro, reducing pressure for a far more costly and expansive highway relocation in that area.

DelDOT has spent about $14 million exploring an elaborate series of options along a 40-mile corridor between Milford and the Maryland line. After legislators began opposing those alternatives in the Millsboro area, Markell late last month threatened to pull the plug, saying lawmakers were wavering in their support of the project.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on February 26, 2011, 12:27:37 PM
Delaware roads: Elkton Road (Delaware 2 Business/896) will welcome more bicycles, fewer autos (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110225/NEWS02/102250335/-1/7daysarchives/Elkton-Road-will-welcome-more-bicycles-fewer-autos)
Project expected done in Sept. '12

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EWARK -- After five months of construction along Elkton Road, the state transportation department this week announced the work on roughly two miles between Gravenor Lane and Delaware Avenue is expected to be completed by September of 2012.

To make room for bike lanes, the road will be trimmed to one lane of traffic in each direction with a left-turn lane on each side, DelDOT officials said at an informational session.

Mary Whistler, who lives in the Devon neighborhood, said although bike lanes will make the area safer for cyclists, reducing traffic to one lane in each direction will likely worsen traffic on Elkton Road and adjacent streets.

"I don't think, in this day and age, you take two lanes and turn them into one -- not when people are gonna start driving on parallel streets to stay away from it," Whistler said.

"Elkton Road is bad enough to begin with -- why make it smaller?" she asked.

DelDOT engineers took into account traffic flow and growth, saying one lane of traffic and a turn lane in each direction would be enough.

"That was something we looked at very hard and detailed in the planning process," said Mark Tudor, a DelDOT engineer.

Construction is set to be done in four phases, which may run concurrently. The project is still in phase one, which is expected to run through fall 2011, DelDOT officials said.

In the initial phase of development, crews are mainly working in the eastbound lanes and adjacent streets.

Having to relocate utilities such as gas, water lines, storm and sanitary sewer lines, and inclement weather are factors DelDOT officials said could delay the project's completion -- although crews have not yet run into any significant setbacks.

"There haven't been too many days lost to weather, thank goodness," Gary Laing, a DelDOT spokesman, said Monday.

With this particular project, DelDOT officials said, they have worked to tailor their approach to accommodate various segments of the community while getting the job done quickly.

"We're really dealing with a range of constituents," Laing said, adding UD students, Newark residents and business owners -- generally -- have different sets of concerns about the project.

However, easy access to businesses along Elkton Road is an overarching issue, and one Laing said the agency deals with in nearly every project along arterial routes.

For area businesses, the construction has meant more customers grumbling about navigating orange traffic barriers and cracked pavement.

However, for the most part, they're supportive of the project.

"Overall, what they're doing, I think, is good for the community. A little bit of inconvenience is OK," said Abe Santos, owner of Re Ink Advantage on Elkton Road.

Santos gets a panoramic view of the road work from his shop windows. Around the corner from Santos at the Apna Bazaar, owner Rohit Patel said traffic and detours now will pay dividends as the community around the road continues to develop later.

"They're making improvements so, I mean, I don't have any complaints," Patel said. "It's going to improve the community area, down the road -- long term -- it's going to benefit us."
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Michael in Philly on February 28, 2011, 09:47:24 AM
Hmmm... Is this north or south of Del. 4?  My favorite route to avoid that absurd toll at the Delaware/Maryland line is (southbound) either Del. 273 west or Del. 896 north to Del. 4; Del. 4 west to Del. 2; Del. 2/Md. 279 back to 95.

(Northbound, I avoid the Susquehanna toll as well by using US 1, unless I'm in a hurry.)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on February 28, 2011, 10:57:15 AM
Hmmm... Is this north or south of Del. 4?  My favorite route to avoid that absurd toll at the Delaware/Maryland line is (southbound) either Del. 273 west or Del. 896 north to Del. 4; Del. 4 west to Del. 2; Del. 2/Md. 279 back to 95.

(Northbound, I avoid the Susquehanna toll as well by using US 1, unless I'm in a hurry.)

It's north - this is all "in town" in Newark.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on February 28, 2011, 09:19:50 PM
Hmmm... Is this north or south of Del. 4?  My favorite route to avoid that absurd toll at the Delaware/Maryland line is (southbound) either Del. 273 west or Del. 896 north to Del. 4; Del. 4 west to Del. 2; Del. 2/Md. 279 back to 95.

(Northbound, I avoid the Susquehanna toll as well by using US 1, unless I'm in a hurry.)
Consider Chestnut Hill Rd. - not sure if it's faster, but I like the drive on a 2-lane better than the other major routes.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on March 01, 2011, 01:45:24 PM
Del. 1 project gets started (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110228/NEWS/102280323/-1/7daysarchives/Del-1-project-gets-started)
Bridge will tie into mall road

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Temporary lane closures on Del. 1 begin this evening as the Delaware Department of Transportation starts a nearly nine-month project to construct a new bridge into the Christiana Mall.

DelDOT said last week lane closures would be mostly at night as the 259-day project gets under way.

Some daytime lane closures may be necessary for short periods, according to DelDOT.

The new bridge will be south of the current Del. 1 overpass and tie into the mall's "ring road."

DelDOT awarded the $12.2 million construction contract to Mumford & Miller, a Middletown-based contractor.

To date, DelDOT has spent $135 million since the late 1990s on improvements to the busy I-95 and Del. 1 interchange.

Other projects include building an interchange at Churchmans Road and Del. 7 and adding a fifth lane northbound and southbound on I-95.

Later this year, more backups are expected at the interchange as DelDOT begins a multiyear project to build high-speed "flyover" ramps to connect southbound I-95 with southbound Del. 1 and northbound Del. 1 with northbound I-95.

DelDOT officials said last August the ramp project could take several years and cost $191 million.

DelDOT has said the ramps will relieve the rush hour and weekend backups at the current interchange that are the source of aggravation for suburban commuters and mall shoppers.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on March 02, 2011, 01:48:57 PM
Delaware roads: Deficit may force hike in tolls (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110302/NEWS02/103020354/Deficit-may-force-hike-tolls?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Home|p)

Proposals to fix shortfall would barely make a dent

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TOP REVENUE-GENERATING OPTIONS

Raise Del. 1 weekday toll to $2, weekend toll to $3: $36.4 million

Raise all I-95 tolls by $1: $24.5 million

Charge toll for new Indian River Inlet bridge: $7.6 million

Raise Del. 1 commercial vehicle toll by $1: $4.5 million

Increase gas tax by 1 cent: $4.5 million


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Estimated state road and transit budget shortfalls have swollen to nearly $1 billion for the next five years and $3.7 billion through 2023, according to an updated tally released late Tuesday by a panel seeking options for closing the gap.

In the first draft of a plan to deal with the growing money shortage, Transportation Trust Fund Task Force members listed possibilities that included hikes in tolls on Del. 1 and I-95, new fees for some types of driver's license renewals and motor vehicle transactions, higher penalties for insurance violations and a boost in billboard fees.

Those actions, however, would barely make a dent in the deficits, which ultimately will have to be settled by lawmakers and Gov. Jack Markell. The 10 largest revenue proposals, including some given little chance of approval, would generate only about $210 million annually.

"This is getting to look to me like it's unobtainable," said Sen. Robert L. Venables, D-Laurel, who co-chairs the Legislature's capital budget committee. He added later: "I don't think the General Assembly realizes what we're working on and how bad these figures are."

Other, more drastic steps that made the list of recommendations included new tolls on Del. 1 ramps that are currently free south of the Chesapeake & Delaware Canal and along the Del. 1 main line south of Milford, as well as higher fuel taxes and fees for transit services used by the disabled and elderly.

Lawmakers formed the trust fund panel last year in response to warnings that DelDOT would run out of money as early as 2012 for projects financed only with state revenues. A report is due to the General Assembly and Markell by March 31.

"We're now down to the core programs, primarily," said outgoing DelDOT Secretary Carolann Wicks. "All we really have are federally funded projects like the U.S. 202 interchange, Route 54 -- they're all federally funded. We've already lost all of the state-only projects."

Markell's office released a cautious written statement late Tuesday after receiving a briefing on the draft list.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on March 05, 2011, 12:05:03 PM
Transportation Trust Fund Task Force 2011 proposed fee increases (http://php.delawareonline.com/state/deldot/2011_fee_increase_proposal.php)

Thanks to Bob Chessick for sending me the link. Listed are a bunch of proposals, some in the near term, others down the road, of fee/toll increases in Delaware.

Among those listed, $1 toll increases for Interstate 95 and SR 1
A $2 monthly maintenance fee for Delaware-based EZPass accounts
Tolling Delaware 1 south of Milford
Tolling the new Indian River Inlet Bridge
Tolling the free ramps from the SR 1 Bridge at South St. Georges (though I doubt they could get the law changed as to why those are free).
Speed cameras on the SR 1 Turnpike
Tolls on U.S. 13, U.S. 113, Delaware 404 in Sussex County

Many of things will never fly, such as adding tolls to an arterial highway. But others, like the toll increases and EZPass account maintenance fees probably will.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on March 05, 2011, 12:15:24 PM
They could arguably put tolls on DE 1 *IN* Milford...it's close enough to freeway grade and while there are alternative routes, they're a bit time-consuming.

Same with the Indian River Inlet Bridge.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: deathtopumpkins on March 06, 2011, 10:15:24 PM
Speed cameras, eh? Those would certainly cement my decision to take I-95 rather than go up the Eastern Shore in the future.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on March 07, 2011, 08:35:40 AM
Tolling the free ramps from the SR 1 Bridge at South St. Georges (though I doubt they could get the law changed as to why those are free).

It would be easier to put in a tollbooth on DE 1 somewhere north of the Canal.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mightyace on March 16, 2011, 03:41:12 AM
Many of things will never fly, such as adding tolls to an arterial highway. But others, like the toll increases and EZPass account maintenance fees probably will.

If you go electronic only, it's possible.  But, even there only practical if there aren't too many access points for shunpiking.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on March 16, 2011, 07:50:15 AM
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Speed cameras, eh? Those would certainly cement my decision to take I-95 rather than go up the Eastern Shore in the future.

Since you're on the Peninsula, I could see that.  If you were Southside, even with speed cameras on the Delmarva, it'd still be faster/shorter to take 13/113/etc etc.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on March 16, 2011, 11:19:48 AM
Northbound Del. 1 to close tonight near Christiana Mall (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110316/NEWS/110316013/-1/7daysarchives/Northbound-Del-1-close-tonight-near-Christiana-Mall)

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Northbound Del. 1 near Christiana Mall will be closed for eight hours tonight to allow for overhead sign removal, DelDOT reports.

The work is part of an interchange project to improve the connection with I-95.

The northbound lanes will be closed from 9 tonight until 5 a.m. Thursday.

Northbound traffic will be detoured onto Del. 273 at exit 162, west to I-95 and north to the Del. 1 exit (4A).

The southbound lanes were closed for the work on Tuesday night.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on April 10, 2011, 11:57:24 AM
Delaware roads: Midstate highway faces more obstacles (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110410/NEWS02/104100369/Midstate-highway-faces-more-obstacles?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home)

Lower projections for traffic, tolls raise questions as DelDOT seeks federal help
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on April 27, 2011, 05:55:04 PM
Bridge authority plans $1 toll hike on Delaware Memorial (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110427/NEWS02/104270350/-1/7daysarchives/Bridge-authority-plans-1-toll-hike-Delaware-Memorial)

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Tolls on the Delaware Memorial Bridge would rise by a $1 for passenger cars and trucks with a similar per-axle increase for commercial vehicles under a proposal to avert a budget crisis at the bridge authority.

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The rate hike would help pay for a variety of projects, Salmon said, including $29 million in improvements to I-295, $28 million for painting and structural work on the bridge, $10 million for upgrades at toll collection stations, $9 million for inspection of bridge cables and suspension ropes and $4.3 million to replace the electronic signage system that lets motorists know when lanes on the bridge are closed.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on April 27, 2011, 07:32:09 PM
Bridge authority plans $1 toll hike on Delaware Memorial (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110427/NEWS02/104270350/-1/7daysarchives/Bridge-authority-plans-1-toll-hike-Delaware-Memorial)

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Tolls on the Delaware Memorial Bridge would rise by a $1 for passenger cars and trucks with a similar per-axle increase for commercial vehicles under a proposal to avert a budget crisis at the bridge authority.

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The rate hike would help pay for a variety of projects, Salmon said, including $29 million in improvements to I-295, $28 million for painting and structural work on the bridge, $10 million for upgrades at toll collection stations, $9 million for inspection of bridge cables and suspension ropes and $4.3 million to replace the electronic signage system that lets motorists know when lanes on the bridge are closed.
Hopefully incentive to get more traffic off this bridge on summer weekends and onto US 322.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on May 01, 2011, 10:51:21 AM
Delaware roads: A bridge so far (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110501/NEWS02/105010345/-1/7daysarchives/Public-gets-close-look-new-Indian-River-Inlet-Bridge)

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DelDOT expects the cable-supported north and south sections of the bridge deck to meet in the middle by October, with the roadway expected to be opened to traffic in December, about eight months past the original plan.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on May 08, 2011, 10:00:08 PM
Delaware government: DelDOT will pay developers until bypass plan is settled (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110508/NEWS02/105080362/DelDOT-will-pay-developers-until-bypass-plan-settled?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home)

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Markell also gave the Sussex County legislators an ultimatum, telling them to reach a consensus by the end of the legislative session on U.S. 113 improvements or risk having the money spent elsewhere in the state. All planning on the U.S. 113 project, on which $14 million already has been spent, was stopped.

Now, the 12 Sussex lawmakers agree unanimously that they won't support the current bypass plan, according to Rep. Pete Schwartzkopf, D-Rehoboth Beach. The House majority leader said Thursday he had drafted a letter outlining a new proposal for Markell. The delegation said it wants all improvements to U.S. 113 from Milford to Selbyville to be made on the highway's current alignment, with a short bypass diverting traffic east of the town of Millsboro, Schwartzkopf said.

The lawmakers support routing the bypass at Millsboro through as much state land as possible, such as the Stockley Center north of Millsboro, Schwartzkopf said.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on May 09, 2011, 10:43:42 AM
Christina bridge [Wilmington] plans to be unveiled (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110509/NEWS/105090333/-1/7daysarchives/Christina-bridge-plans-unveiled)

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Possible locations for Riverfront span to be discussed
A Wilmington Riverfront transportation coalition will take plans for a new bridge over the Christina River to the public from 5 to 7 p.m. next Monday at the Center on the Riverfront.

The session, at 815 Justison St., will include possible locations for the new span, which will expand links to several routes, including I-95, I-495, U.S. 13 and local roads.

The Delaware Department of Transportation's long-range plans call for a bridge that would connect the Riverfront area just south of The Shipyard (formerly the Shipyard Shops) with U.S. 13 south of the South Walnut Street and South Market Street split.

Current estimates peg the cost at about $45 million, including $33.4 million for construction and $8.6 million for right-of-way purchases, possibly beginning as early as next year. Construction is unlikely to begin before 2014, however, with the Federal Highway Administration picking up 80 percent of the cost of land and construction.

Wilmington Initiatives, a group that includes the city of Wilmington, the Wilmington Metropolitan Planning Organization and state transportation agencies, will sponsor the session.

Information will be available on several other projects, ranging from sidewalk and lighting improvements to streetscape and beautification efforts. Most are intended to promote a balance of transportation services, including mass transit, pedestrian, bicycle, rail and motor vehicle.

Although DelDOT has warned that the state's Transportation Trust Fund is short of cash, the Markell administration's proposed Bond Bill for the fiscal year that begins July 1 sets aside $8.6 million to begin land purchases.
Title: Tolls to go up on Delaware Memorial Bridge
Post by: Alex on May 17, 2011, 04:41:45 PM
Tolls to go up on Delaware Memorial Bridge (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110517/NEWS/110517026/Tolls-go-up-Delaware-Memorial-Bridge?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home)

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The Delaware River and Bay Authority has approved a $1 increase to the toll at the Delaware Memorial Bridge, a spokesman said.

The toll is currently $3. The new $4 rate goes into effect July 1, said DRBA spokesman Jim Salmon.

The $4 toll will apply to passenger vehicles; a $1 per axle increase was also approved for commercial vehicles.
Title: Re: Tolls to go up on Delaware Memorial Bridge
Post by: Alex on May 18, 2011, 09:01:34 AM
Follow up article on the toll increase:

Delaware Memorial Bridge tolls to rise (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110518/NEWS02/105180319/-1/7daysarchives/Delaware-Memorial-Bridge-tolls-rise)

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The increases are expected to raise an additional $22 million in revenue annually -- money that will be used for capital improvements at the bridge and the Cape May-Lewes Ferry.

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The money raised will be used for a variety of projects -- not just at the bridge. Among them are I-295 highway upgrades that are expected to cost $29 million and dock work and improvements to passenger loading systems at the Cape May-Lewes Ferry that are expected to cost $15 million.

Tolls to go up on Delaware Memorial Bridge (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110517/NEWS/110517026/Tolls-go-up-Delaware-Memorial-Bridge?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home)

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The Delaware River and Bay Authority has approved a $1 increase to the toll at the Delaware Memorial Bridge, a spokesman said.

The toll is currently $3. The new $4 rate goes into effect July 1, said DRBA spokesman Jim Salmon.

The $4 toll will apply to passenger vehicles; a $1 per axle increase was also approved for commercial vehicles.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on June 06, 2011, 11:34:58 AM
NJ E-ZPass taking over operations for Del. Memorial Bridge (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110606/NEWS/110606025/-1/7daysarchives/NJ-E-ZPass-taking-over-operations-Del-Memorial-Bridge-)

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NEW CASTLE – New Jersey's E-ZPass service center is taking over management of accounts issued by the Delaware River and Bay Authority.

The authority operates the Delaware Memorial Bridge, which connects New Jersey and Delaware near Wilmington.

It has 43,000 E-ZPass accounts.

The DRBA says it will save $750,000 per year by having the New Jersey operation handle its accounts.

Customers will also save. Their monthly membership fee will be $1 instead of the current $1.50 and they won't have to pay to buy transponders any more. They'll also benefit from additional discount plans.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on June 07, 2011, 02:01:51 PM
Comparisons between the two Delaware Memorial Bridge spans.

Massive spans might look alike but each has its own history (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110607/NEWS12/106070332/-1/7daysarchives/Massive-spans-might-look-alike-each-has-its-own-history)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on June 10, 2011, 06:13:00 PM
Bridge work to close I-495, I-95 lanes next week (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110610/NEWS/110610037/Bridge-work-close-495-95-lanes-next-week?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home)

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Southbound I-495 in Claymont will be reduced to one lane for months starting next week as crews peform maintenance on a bridge over the highway, officials announced today.

Both southbound lanes will be closed between the Naamans Road and Philadelphia Pike exits from 9 p.m. Wednesday until 5 a.m. Thursday to allow for placement of a barrier wall to protect workers. Detours will be posted.

One lane of the highway will then reopen.

Contractors will be working behind the barrier wall during the daytime, according to a statement from the Delaware Department of Transportation.

The project also includes rehabilitation of the Naamans Road bridge over I-95.

The northbound and southbound right lanes of I-95 will be closed from 9 p.m. Thursday until 5 a.m. June 17 to allow for placement of barrier walls beneath the Naamans bridge. Then the right shoulders will remain closed around-the-clock until the work is completed in mid-September 2012.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on June 19, 2011, 11:10:29 AM
Delaware roads: Access between Del. 1 and Del. 12 to improve soon (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110619/NEWS02/106190331/-1/7daysarchives/Access-between-Del-1-Del-12-improve-soon)

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Motorists on Del. 1 will get better access to Del. 12 at Frederica this week, but a new overpass under construction won't be opening until early July.

Starting Monday, southbound motorists on Del. 1 will be allowed to exit onto Del. 12 (Frederica Road) at the north end of the town. And drivers on Del. 12 will be able to enter the southbound lanes of Del. 1 at the north end of the town, said Michael Williams of the state transportation department.

But access to and from northbound Del. 1 will continue to be from Frederica Road at the south end of the town until the overpass is opened.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Ian on June 21, 2011, 08:35:49 PM
Went along I-95 southbound through Delaware today and photographed some new signs going up between the service plaza and the Newark tolls. The Newark toll plaza is nearing completion and I must say, it doesn't look half bad...
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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on June 21, 2011, 09:07:16 PM
Went along I-95 southbound through Delaware today and photographed some new signs going up between the service plaza and the Newark tolls. The Newark toll plaza is nearing completion and I must say, it doesn't look half bad...
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Whoah  :wow: "Last Exit Before Toll" placards! Amazing, how long has Interstate 95 gone without these?  :banghead:  Even more amazing are those signs (even the Clearview) with the inane "MUST EXIT" garbage that were still in place. Good riddance to those   :nod:

I see US 301 is now relegated to auxiliary signage status. Must be in anticipation of the US 301 toll proposal that will reroute the highway away from the Glasgow end point.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on June 22, 2011, 01:37:54 PM
Considering that US 301 ends at US 40 anyway, the "TO" signs are actually correct even without the toll proposal reroute.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Michael in Philly on June 22, 2011, 04:25:24 PM
I think the sign for "896 to 301" has read thus since at least 2008....
Title: Delaware 1/12 interchange opens 06-28-11
Post by: Alex on June 24, 2011, 11:11:20 AM
New Del. 1 overpass to open on Tuesday (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110624/NEWS/110624018/New-Del-1-overpass-open-Tuesday?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home)

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A new overpass on Del. 1 at Frederica will be open to traffic on Tuesday, officials announced today.

The overpass, to open by the end of the day, will allow traffic entering and exiting the northbound lanes to cross over the highway to connect with Del. 12 at the north end of town.

Ramps for southbound access were opened earlier this week, following more than a year of construction. The project eliminated a stop-sign controlled median crossing that was the scene of numerous accidents, some fatal.

The Delaware Department of Transportation has other overpasses planned for Del. 1, with some awaiting funding:

- Del. 30 (Wilkins Road/Cedar Neck Road). Construction will begin in spring 2012.

- At south end of Frederica, junction with Frederica, Tub Mill Pond and Milford Neck roads. Construction might begin in fall 2013.

- At Little Heaven, junction with Bowers Beach and Clapham roads. Construction could begin late summer or early fall of 2014.

- At Milford, junction with Northeast Front Street and New Wharf Road. Construction might begin in fall 2015.

- Thompsonville Road south of Frederica. Construction could begin late summer or early fall 2015.

- Barratts Chapel Road north of Frederica. Construction and right-of-way plans are currently not funded. No design work is being planned.

An overpass at Del. 9 at the south end of Dover was completed in November 2009.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mtantillo on June 26, 2011, 01:40:49 AM
Went along I-95 southbound through Delaware today and photographed some new signs going up between the service plaza and the Newark tolls. The Newark toll plaza is nearing completion and I must say, it doesn't look half bad...

Thanks for posting the pics!  Its nice to see what the toll plaza actually looks like, seeing as I haven't actually driven through it in many years. 
Title: No relief in sight for road-weary motorists (DE)
Post by: Alex on June 26, 2011, 12:56:35 PM
No relief in sight for road-weary motorists (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110626/NEWS02/106260347/No-relief-sight-road-weary-motorists?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home)

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1. Del. 1 at I-95: Christiana Mall bridge relocation, $12.2 million, through November 2012.

2. I-95 Newark toll plaza: $30 million, could open all lanes by July Fourth weekend.

3. Elkton Road: Casho Mill to Delaware Avenue, $10.5 million, through September 2012.

4. Kirkwood Highway: Del. 7 to Del. 100 at east end of Elsmere, $2.1 million, repair/repaving through mid-November.

5. Del. 141 Newport Bridge: 1-95 at Newport, $14.8 million, through summer 2014.

6. Del. 1: Barkers Landing (St. Jones River south of Dover Air Force Base) to Frederica, repairs/repaving.

7. Indian River Inlet Bridge: $150 million, lane restrictions. Opens in December.

8. Del. 54: West of Fenwick Island, $10 million, widening and improvements through May 2012.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mtantillo on June 26, 2011, 11:25:44 PM
Looks like we have some progress at the Newark Toll plaza.  Here's what I saw when I was through that area just now. 

I didn't pass through the toll plaza (haven't in years), and I was taking my usual diversion route: MD 279/DE 2, Otts Chapel Road, Welsh Tract Road, DE 896. So I crossed over 95 twice on both Otts Chapel and Welsh Tract. There were signs on I-95 saying "new traffic pattern (today's date)"

Southbound was not done yet. Looked like the left lane was going through the high-speed E-ZPass (but not at high speed yet), the center two were going to the booths (the left of 2 lanes signed for E-ZPass Only), and the right lane is still exit-only at DE 896/Exit 1. Traffic was rather heavy in the one cash approach lane, and looked like it was moving at medium speed through the high-speed lane. 

Northbound, it appeared as if 2 lanes were going through the high-speed E-ZPass area....the center lane diverged.

I can already see what the next problem is going to be...the 3-lane section of I-95 in MD between the DE tolls and MD 24/Exit 77. With the floodgates open and all that DE traffic suddenly able to get into MD quickly, I-95 will get bogged down in MD during busy times. It was a bear tonight. Northbound will likely jam up at the I-95/I-495/I-295/NJ Turnpike split worse than it does now.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on June 27, 2011, 07:53:19 PM
Looks like we have some progress at the Newark Toll plaza.  Here's what I saw when I was through that area just now. 

I didn't pass through the toll plaza (haven't in years), and I was taking my usual diversion route: MD 279/DE 2, Otts Chapel Road, Welsh Tract Road, DE 896. So I crossed over 95 twice on both Otts Chapel and Welsh Tract. There were signs on I-95 saying "new traffic pattern (today's date)"

Is that faster than Chestnut Hill Rd.? Or about the same?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on June 27, 2011, 11:15:56 PM
Looks like we have some progress at the Newark Toll plaza.  Here's what I saw when I was through that area just now. 

I didn't pass through the toll plaza (haven't in years), and I was taking my usual diversion route: MD 279/DE 2, Otts Chapel Road, Welsh Tract Road, DE 896. So I crossed over 95 twice on both Otts Chapel and Welsh Tract. There were signs on I-95 saying "new traffic pattern (today's date)"

Southbound was not done yet. Looked like the left lane was going through the high-speed E-ZPass (but not at high speed yet), the center two were going to the booths (the left of 2 lanes signed for E-ZPass Only), and the right lane is still exit-only at DE 896/Exit 1. Traffic was rather heavy in the one cash approach lane, and looked like it was moving at medium speed through the high-speed lane. 

From what I saw on traffic cameras over the past few days, it looks like the lanes are open in both directions.  The southbound pattern has been restored to 4 lanes past DE 896.  The E-ZPass lanes are being closed off-peak to finish construction.
Title: I-95 high-speed E-ZPass lanes open at Newark toll plaza (DE)
Post by: Alex on June 28, 2011, 11:11:50 AM
I-95 high-speed E-ZPass lanes open at Newark toll plaza (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110628/NEWS/106280343/-1/7daysarchives/I-95-high-speed-E-ZPass-lanes-open-Newark-toll-plaza)

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Some good news for the road-weary this holiday weekend -- the I-95 toll plaza in Newark, which has been a major chokepoint, will be easing its grip on traffic.

As of Monday, the highway-speed E-ZPass lanes -- where electronic transponders are read without vehicles having to slow down or drive through a traditional tollbooth -- are completed and open for business, said Delaware Department of Transportation spokesman Mike Williams, with two lanes on the northbound side and two lanes on the southbound side.

The expectation is that the lanes will ease congestion at the tolls, which had gotten worse over the past year as construction shut down conventional toll lanes to make way for the new E-ZPass lanes.

"It is not going to magically make backups or delays go away," said Williams, adding that during unusually high-volume times like holiday weekends, that would be next to impossible. But he said the new lanes are a major change and drivers should notice a much more "comfortable" ride through the plaza.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Fleetwood Mac Attack on June 29, 2011, 12:42:46 PM
Looks like we have some progress at the Newark Toll plaza.  Here's what I saw when I was through that area just now. 

I didn't pass through the toll plaza (haven't in years), and I was taking my usual diversion route: MD 279/DE 2, Otts Chapel Road, Welsh Tract Road, DE 896. So I crossed over 95 twice on both Otts Chapel and Welsh Tract. There were signs on I-95 saying "new traffic pattern (today's date)"

Is that faster than Chestnut Hill Rd.? Or about the same?

Was just going to ask the same thing. Also, is it just me, or are more and more people catching on to skirting the MD/DE state line toll? Last time I skirted it I made the mistake of going all the way up to DE-4 and sat in a 10-15 minute queue (of course, I could sit in that same queue on I-95 and pay $4, too!). That WAS Memorial Day weekend though, if I recall...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NJRoadfan on June 29, 2011, 07:18:23 PM
Looks like we have some progress at the Newark Toll plaza.  Here's what I saw when I was through that area just now. 

I didn't pass through the toll plaza (haven't in years), and I was taking my usual diversion route: MD 279/DE 2, Otts Chapel Road, Welsh Tract Road, DE 896. So I crossed over 95 twice on both Otts Chapel and Welsh Tract. There were signs on I-95 saying "new traffic pattern (today's date)"

Is that faster than Chestnut Hill Rd.? Or about the same?

Was just going to ask the same thing. Also, is it just me, or are more and more people catching on to skirting the MD/DE state line toll? Last time I skirted it I made the mistake of going all the way up to DE-4 and sat in a 10-15 minute queue (of course, I could sit in that same queue on I-95 and pay $4, too!). That WAS Memorial Day weekend though, if I recall...

Hard economic times. I bypass it to payback the speeding ticket I got in Delaware, makes me feel good. I always spot out of state plates doing the shunpike, most people do the DE-4 route, not too many are aware of Otis Chapel/Chestnut Hill Rd. or Welsh Tract Rd.
Title: Delaware SR-1, Exit 86 Opened
Post by: ChezeHed81 on July 05, 2011, 02:10:15 PM
This past weekend, I was able to get down to Frederica, and check out SR-1's newest interchange, which opened June 28, 2011.

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Southbound

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Southbound; the highway curves to the left here, so the overpass itself was easier to capture from the northbound direction (see next image).

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Northbound; with a partial view of the overpass, which features two-way traffic separated by a double yellow line.  Where the northbound on ramp transitions from two-way traffic, Do Not Enter / Wrong Way assemblies are present on the northbound off ramp from SR-1.  Minimal control, but likely adequate for the level of traffic this interchange will serve.

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The intersection where the north- and southbound SR-1 on/off ramps meet, from the bottom of the northbound off ramp.  The down stroke of the overpass to this intersection seems rather steep; should be interesting to see how the design holds up when the pavement becomes icy.  The ramps seem to be additionally intended to function well as a u-turn opportunity, which is good since several median crossings will be closed in the area.  Southbound has a similar assembly.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mtantillo on July 07, 2011, 01:31:51 AM
Looks like we have some progress at the Newark Toll plaza.  Here's what I saw when I was through that area just now. 

I didn't pass through the toll plaza (haven't in years), and I was taking my usual diversion route: MD 279/DE 2, Otts Chapel Road, Welsh Tract Road, DE 896. So I crossed over 95 twice on both Otts Chapel and Welsh Tract. There were signs on I-95 saying "new traffic pattern (today's date)"

Is that faster than Chestnut Hill Rd.? Or about the same?

I'd say about the same in the NB direction, and slightly faster in the SB direction (since you can't make the left from 896 to Chestnut Hill and have to go through that NJ style jughandle loop).  I like Welsh Tract just because I can laugh at the people stuck in traffic when I cross over 95 twice.  I guess I won't be doing that anymore, but I can still laugh at them for throwing away $4!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mtantillo on July 07, 2011, 01:37:36 AM
Looks like we have some progress at the Newark Toll plaza.  Here's what I saw when I was through that area just now. 

I didn't pass through the toll plaza (haven't in years), and I was taking my usual diversion route: MD 279/DE 2, Otts Chapel Road, Welsh Tract Road, DE 896. So I crossed over 95 twice on both Otts Chapel and Welsh Tract. There were signs on I-95 saying "new traffic pattern (today's date)"

Is that faster than Chestnut Hill Rd.? Or about the same?

Was just going to ask the same thing. Also, is it just me, or are more and more people catching on to skirting the MD/DE state line toll? Last time I skirted it I made the mistake of going all the way up to DE-4 and sat in a 10-15 minute queue (of course, I could sit in that same queue on I-95 and pay $4, too!). That WAS Memorial Day weekend though, if I recall...

Yeah, over Labor Day weekend, I was stuck in a long delay making the left from DE 4 onto DE 2.  So I rarely go that way in the southbound direction anymore, preferring Welsh Tract instead (Chestnut Hill is an alternative too, but involves a jughandle loop to make the turn off of 896).  Northbound, I find that all 3 routes work just fine, because the major turns are all to the right!

I'm considering being nice to DelDOT and maybe being willing to pay the toll in the SB direction since they were nice enough to provide high speed lanes.  I think $2 each way is a semi-reasonable price to pay for the Delaware Turnpike, so I can pay that $4 per round trip by paying the $4 toll in one direction and bypassing in the other.  If I'm only going to bypass in one direction, I'd choose northbound, since there are fewer left turns involved. 
Title: Re: Delaware SR-1, Exit 86 Opened
Post by: Alex on July 08, 2011, 05:05:39 PM
This past weekend, I was able to get down to Frederica, and check out SR-1's newest interchange, which opened June 28, 2011.
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Thanks for sharing these photos!  :clap:

Looks like they did a decent job with the new exit. The use of an exit number is a nice surprise.
Title: Contract cuts cost, time of I-95 project (DE)
Post by: Alex on July 09, 2011, 11:01:17 AM
Contract cuts cost, time of I-95 project (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110707/NEWS02/107070340/-1/7daysarchives/Contract-cuts-cost-time-95-project)

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A Maryland-based company won a $111.9 million contract Wednesday to rebuild the always busy and often snarled I-95/Del. 1 interchange, undercutting DelDOT's estimate by nearly $34 million and shaving 14 months off the state's construction schedule.

Jessup-based Cherry Hill Construction Inc.'s bid was about 23.2 percent lower than the nearly $145.7 million that DelDOT expected to pay for the sprawling, multi-ramp and multi-overpass design.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on July 26, 2011, 10:22:31 AM
Revamped I-95 toll plaza gets official rededication (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110726/NEWS02/107260335/-1/7daysarchives/Revamped-95-toll-plaza-gets-official-rededication)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 1995hoo on July 26, 2011, 11:15:34 AM
Revamped I-95 toll plaza gets official rededication (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110726/NEWS02/107260335/-1/7daysarchives/Revamped-95-toll-plaza-gets-official-rededication)

The pictures PennDOTFan posted give a sense for where the express carriageway begins on the southbound side. Anyone know where it begins going north?

(BTW, I've always liked the "Must Exit" verbiage Delaware uses. I don't know why I prefer it to "Exit Only," I just do.)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: akotchi on July 26, 2011, 08:29:18 PM
Contract cuts cost, time of I-95 project (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110707/NEWS02/107070340/-1/7daysarchives/Contract-cuts-cost-time-95-project)

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A Maryland-based company won a $111.9 million contract Wednesday to rebuild the always busy and often snarled I-95/Del. 1 interchange, undercutting DelDOT's estimate by nearly $34 million and shaving 14 months off the state's construction schedule.

Jessup-based Cherry Hill Construction Inc.'s bid was about 23.2 percent lower than the nearly $145.7 million that DelDOT expected to pay for the sprawling, multi-ramp and multi-overpass design.

Interesting that project bids are still coming in so far lower than the Engineer's estimates.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mtantillo on July 31, 2011, 02:35:51 AM
Revamped I-95 toll plaza gets official rededication (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110726/NEWS02/107260335/-1/7daysarchives/Revamped-95-toll-plaza-gets-official-rededication)

The pictures PennDOTFan posted give a sense for where the express carriageway begins on the southbound side. Anyone know where it begins going north?


Just north of the Otts Chapel overpass. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on August 02, 2011, 10:52:17 AM
Sprawl in Delaware knows no bounds. This approval is in anticipation of building a 4th shopping center at the intersection of US 40 & Delaware 7, replacing the last area of empty space.

DelDOT: Overpass not needed for Governor's Square (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110802/NEWS02/108020334/-1/7daysarchives/DelDOT-Overpass-not-needed-Governor-s-Square)

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The Delaware Department of Transportation said Monday that the proposed Governor's Square III Shopping Center can be built without having to build a multimillion-dollar overpass of Del. 7 over U.S. 40.

The move clears the way for New Castle County Council to vote on a rezoning request by developer DelleDonne & Associates that would allow the shopping center to be built. The property is now zoned for office space.

DelDOT's conclusion, made as the agency announced it has completed its review of DelleDonne's traffic-impact study, marks a reversal of the agency's comments in March, when it refused DelleDonne's request to waive the study.

At that time, DelDOT officials said huge improvements of the Del. 7 and U.S. 40 intersection might be needed to maintain required traffic-service levels. Monday, DelDOT said new data show that congestion at the intersection has actually dropped from 2009 to 2010.

I have never considered adding a traffic light to be an "improvement"...

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The improvements include widening Del. 7 to four lanes from Newtown Road to a point north of Rivers End Drive; extending the southbound left-turn lanes at 7 and 40 to 725 feet; improving intersections and adding traffic lights along Del. 7; and sharing in the costs of any of the improvements performed by DelDOT.

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The threshold for an intersection to be at "failed" status is for a vehicle to be delayed for 55 seconds at peak-evening driving times, Bhatt said. "The delay for a vehicle to get through routes 7 and 40 is now 53.6 seconds.

"The agency finds acceptable service levels can be maintained if the developer makes certain improvements in the corridor," DelDOT said in a statement.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on August 15, 2011, 12:21:59 PM
North side of new Indian River Inlet Bridge completed (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110815/NEWS/110815019/-1/7daysarchives/North-side-new-Indian-River-Inlet-Bridge-completed)

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The new Indian River Inlet Bridge moved a step closer to completion today.

Following final concrete formation for the north side of the bridge, workers removed the steel structure used for its construction, the Delaware Department of Transportation announced.

Removal of the 300-ton structure -- called a form traveler -- also means boaters will now have more clearance for traveling beneath the new bridge.

DelDOT said the channel was closed in cooperation with the Coast Guard between 2 a.m. and 8 a.m. today while the form traveler was lowered onto a barge. Designed specifically for this project, the form traveler will be taken to Virginia and recycled.

A similar structure remains on the south side of the bridge, where four sections remain to be built.

The final concrete pour is expected in late October or early November, with completion of the $150 million bridge planned in December.

The cable-supported span will carry Del. 1 across the inlet, replacing an older, lower bridge that has been plagued by underwater erosion.

Traffic on Del. 1 remains restricted to one lane in each direction during construction.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mtantillo on August 15, 2011, 09:44:58 PM
I have never considered adding a traffic light to be an "improvement"...

Most people don't, unless you happen to live on the side street. 
Title: US 202 / I-95 interchange work set to begin (DE)
Post by: Alex on September 27, 2011, 12:20:40 PM
This project eliminates Exit 8A of Interstate 95 southbound to make way for a new wider ramp from U.S. 202 south onto I-95 south.

(https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/delaware050/i-095_sb_exit_008a_04.jpg)

Middletown company wins bid for I-95-U.S. 202 project (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110927/NEWS/110927018/-1/7daysarchives/Middletown-company-wins-bid-95-U-S-202-project)

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The Department of Transportation has announced Middletown-based Mumford & Miller Concrete Inc. has received the winning bid for the I-95 and U.S. 202 reconstruction project.

The construction, slated to begin in November and be completed by fall 2014, will have a price tag of $27,607,113.22, the lowest of five bids received.
DelDOT says the project will include the removal of the I-95 southbound ramp to the U.S. 202 loop ramp and relocating the ramp to become a directional ramp that would tie into U.S. 202 with a new traffic signal.

The project will address a vertical clearance by lowering I-95 southbound under U.S. 202, bridge rehabilitations, widening the ramp from I-95 to U.S. 202 northbound from one to two lanes and extending the two-lane ramp from U.S. 202 to I-95 southbound further down I-95.
Title: Re: US 202 / I-95 interchange work set to begin (DE)
Post by: Truvelo on September 27, 2011, 01:24:08 PM
US 202 around there has undergone a lot of changes over the last few years. In 2006 I took some pictures of what looked like a new road layout only to find the Augustine Cut Off exit has since been removed. Will the I-95/US 202 ramp be the last work to take place?

(http://www.speedcam.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/us202.jpg)
Title: Re: US 202 / I-95 interchange work set to begin (DE)
Post by: Alex on September 27, 2011, 02:40:42 PM
US 202 around there has undergone a lot of changes over the last few years. In 2006 I took some pictures of what looked like a new road layout only to find the Augustine Cut Off exit has since been removed. Will the I-95/US 202 ramp be the last work to take place?


(https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/image/blue_ball_map.gif) (https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/image/blue_ball_map_large.gif)

The interchange modification is the last piece of the long string of projects dating back to the 1990s at Blue Ball. That Augustine Cutoff turn lane was a popular back way into Wilmington. Now drivers have to use the partial interchange with Foulk Road onto West Park Road to make the connection.

(https://www.aaroads.com/queue/cache/forum-images/img_1237_1317148665_w1000_h750.jpg)

How it looked in December 2008.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Michael in Philly on September 27, 2011, 03:47:46 PM
This project eliminates Exit 8A of Interstate 95 southbound to make way for a new wider ramp from U.S. 202 south onto I-95 south.

(https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/delaware050/i-095_sb_exit_008a_04.jpg)

Middletown company wins bid for I-95-U.S. 202 project (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110927/NEWS/110927018/-1/7daysarchives/Middletown-company-wins-bid-95-U-S-202-project)

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The Department of Transportation has announced Middletown-based Mumford & Miller Concrete Inc. has received the winning bid for the I-95 and U.S. 202 reconstruction project.

The construction, slated to begin in November and be completed by fall 2014, will have a price tag of $27,607,113.22, the lowest of five bids received.
DelDOT says the project will include the removal of the I-95 southbound ramp to the U.S. 202 loop ramp and relocating the ramp to become a directional ramp that would tie into U.S. 202 with a new traffic signal.

The project will address a vertical clearance by lowering I-95 southbound under U.S. 202, bridge rehabilitations, widening the ramp from I-95 to U.S. 202 northbound from one to two lanes and extending the two-lane ramp from U.S. 202 to I-95 southbound further down I-95.

That means that erroneous sign will finally be gone!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on October 07, 2011, 12:00:28 AM
Christiana Mall ramp to I-95 NB to close next week (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20111006/NEWS/111006060/-1/7daysarchives/Christiana-Mall-ramp-95-NB-close-next-week)

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The ramp from the Christiana Mall to northbound I-95 will close permanently Tuesday as part of an ongoing road project in the area, state officials announced today.

Instead, traffic will be directed to the ramp for northbound Del. 1 near JCPenny’s, and then be able to exit onto northbound I-95.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on October 25, 2011, 10:05:23 PM
I was reading in wykopedia that the Delaware Service Area on I-95 is called Delaware House, just like Maryland has a Maryland House on the same highway.  Years ago this  area was called Hot Shoppers and not its present name. When did Delaware change the name?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Michael in Philly on October 25, 2011, 11:07:23 PM
I don't know the history of that service area, but Hot Shoppes was the name of a big restaurant/cafeteria chain in the Washington area back in the 50s and 60s.  Maybe it wasn't that the service area was called Hot Shoppes, but that Hot Shoppes had the food franchise there?  Just a guess....
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on October 26, 2011, 08:15:19 PM
Hmmm! Might be!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on October 29, 2011, 06:57:28 PM
A follow up article to the news posted about a month ago for the I-95/US 202/DE 202 interchange (Exit 8 ) reconstruction project.

Upgrade coming to I-95, 202 site (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20111029/NEWS/110290323/-1/7daysarchives/Upgrade-coming-95-202-site)

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Delaware's sometimes notorious I-95 interchange at U.S. 202 will get a three-year, $27.6 million makeover starting next month, under a DelDOT plan that could include weekend-long closings of some ramps and even lanes along the interstate.

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"The main reason for the work is to address backups that occur on northound 95 approaching U.S. 202," said project manager Mark Tudor. "The project will provide a two-lane ramp all the way, almost, to the north side of the Brandywine River Bridge.

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Widening and improvements also are planned along the ramp between southbound 202 and the interstate, Tudor said, to ease friction and weaving as drivers merge into a single lane before moving onto I-95.

To make room for that work, the ramp from southbound I-95 to southbound Concord Pike will be relocated to the north side of the interchange, with a new traffic signal installed along northbound Concord Pike to allow vehicles to cross onto southbound lanes leading into Wilmington.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on November 12, 2011, 09:44:34 AM
Highway repairs will take a holiday (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20111112/NEWS/111120326/-1/7daysarchives/Highway-repairs-will-take-holiday)

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NEW CASTLE COUNTY

» Summit Bridge, U.S. 301/Del. 896: Lane closings in both directions through May 1.

» Delaware Memorial Bridge: Weekday closings of two to three southbound lanes through Dec. 16, excluding holidays.

» I-495: Southbound lane restriction between Exit 6 (Naamans Road) and Exit 5 (Philadelphia Pike), and at various times between Edgemoor Road and Christina River bridge.

» Del. 1 at Christiana Mall: Nighttime lane closings, excluding Sundays, through Nov. 22.

» Del. 141 viaduct around Del. 4: Various ramp and lane restrictions.


KENT COUNTY

» U.S. 13 between St. Jones River and Court Street, Court Street between U.S. 13 and Bay Road: Lane closings for repaving.

» U.S. 13 southbound between North State Street and Kings Highway: Nighttime lane closings for water-main installation.


SUSSEX COUNTY

» Del. 1 Indian River Inlet bridge: Speed restrictions, access detours.

» Front Street, Seaford: Nanticoke River bridge closed through Dec. 16.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on December 01, 2011, 11:51:51 AM
Summit Bridge to close this weekend for repairs (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20111201/TRAFFIC/112010340/Summit-Bridge-close-weekend-repairs?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home)

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As part of a $10 million project, workers are stabilizing and stiffening steel gusset plates, sandblasting the 600-foot span and painting it bright blue, according to the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which owns and operates the bridge. Work began in April and should end in December 2012.

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Only two of Summit's four lanes have been open since the spring to reduce the amount of weight on the bridge at any one time, said Sarah M. Rivette, a spokeswoman for the corps in Philadelphia.

All four lanes should reopen Monday after contractors strengthen the span by replacing a 700-pound gusset plate below the deck at the bridge's northeast end. The slab of steel connects adjacent bridge beams and girders to trusses.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 22, 2011, 01:03:04 PM
I don't know the history of that service area, but Hot Shoppes was the name of a big restaurant/cafeteria chain in the Washington area back in the 50s and 60s.  Maybe it wasn't that the service area was called Hot Shoppes, but that Hot Shoppes had the food franchise there?  Just a guess....

Hot Shoppes was a chain of cafeterias and drive-ups (something like present-day Sonic) owned by Marriott (who also once owned Sodexho, f/k/a HostMarriott, which was in the turnpike service plaza business).

Back in the 1960's, there was the Hot Shoppers Jr. concept, which was a fast food place, which eventually morphed into Roy Rogers (there's still a Roy Rogers at the Maryland House service plaza).

Getting back to the Hot Shoppes chain, they were once ubiquitous in the Washington, D.C. region, but the last one was closed in 1999 (they were generally well-run (I think they were all owned directly by Marriott, not franchised), clean, the food was hot and the prices at the Hot Shoppes were right).  Marriott has just announced (http://www.washingtonian.com/blogarticles/21988.html) that they will be bringing the Hot Shoppes brand back to life, with a new one scheduled to open as part of a Marriott hotel in downtown Washington (smart, shrewd move by Marriott, as I think the new Hot Shoppes location will get mobbed).

Images of Hot Shoppes from the 1940's from the George Mason University  here (http://specialcollections.wordpress.com/tag/hot-shoppes/).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: KEVIN_224 on December 22, 2011, 03:00:04 PM
US 202 around there has undergone a lot of changes over the last few years. In 2006 I took some pictures of what looked like a new road layout only to find the Augustine Cut Off exit has since been removed. Will the I-95/US 202 ramp be the last work to take place?

(http://www.speedcam.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/us202.jpg)

I remember seeing these signs along US Route 202 West (South ?) between Talleyville and Wilmington in July of 2009:

(http://i.imgur.com/khe53.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/BJjpd.jpg)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 02, 2012, 08:46:56 PM
Finally  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:

New Indian River Inlet Bridge taking shape (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100302/NEWS/100302036/1006/New+Indian+River+Inlet+Bridge+taking+shape)

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DelDOT's latest update on the project: "As of this week, all four footers of the bridge are complete. Eventually they will be put underground and not visible, however like the foundation of any structure they are key in giving the bridge its strength and long-term stability."

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The new bridge design calls for a 2,600-foot-long bridge with a 900-foot span across the inlet. It will be supported by cables in a design similar to the Roth Bridge SR 1 Turnpike Bridge over the Chesapeake & Delaware Canal.

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The current construction is the state's second try at a new bridge over the inlet. Problems with the first bridge approaches came to light in 2007, when fill dirt at the site began to shift and slip, creating a multimillion-dollar setback.

The contract was abandoned and re-advertised and the bridge re-designed. It is expected to be completed in spring 2011.

Drivers can visit the project Web site, www.irib.deldot.gov, to get traffic updates, view cameras or get more information on the construction


Was by this location during the holidays just passed, headed south on Del. 1 from Rehoboth to Ocean City, Maryland. 

Traffic is "detoured" (in one lane each way) onto the old structure, but it looks like the new cable-stayed span is close to being complete and ready for traffic (it was after sunset, so I could not get a really good look).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on January 11, 2012, 07:28:54 AM
Jan. 20 opening set for Indian River Inlet Bridge (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20120111/NEWS/201110342/-1/7daysarchives/Jan-20-opening-set-Indian-River-Inlet-Bridge)

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After years and millions of dollars, the new Indian River Inlet Bridge will open to traffic Jan. 20, state officials say.

Following a brief ribbon- cutting ceremony for invited officials, the transition will begin with the rerouting of southbound Del. 1 traffic from the existing bridge, followed by the rerouting of northbound traffic, according to the Delaware Department of Transportation.

The 2,600-foot-long structure will first carry one lane of traffic in each direction on the southbound side of the bridge. This pattern is expected to continue into the spring, while the contractor George & Lynch completes the roadway approaches on the northbound side of the bridge.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on January 20, 2012, 09:51:54 AM
New Indian River Inlet Bridge opening today (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20120120/NEWS/120120007/-1/7daysarchives/New-Indian-River-Inlet-Bridge-opening-today)

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Officials say the new traffic pattern will consist of one lane in each direction through the spring, when all four lanes are expected to open.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on January 21, 2012, 04:48:51 PM
First lane of new Indian River Inlet bridge opens (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20120121/NEWS/201210320/-1/7daysarchives/First-lane-new-Indian-River-Inlet-bridge-opens)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on February 02, 2012, 10:37:49 AM
3-year project tackles I-95/US 202 bottleneck (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20120202/NEWS/202020337/-1/7daysarchives/3-year-project-tackles-95-US-202-bottleneck-)

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Through April 2013, phase one of the $27.6-million project...

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To help improve traffic flow, crews will widen the ramp from one lane to two, nearly to the north side of the Brandywine River bridge. They will also construct a 12-foot shoulder to the right and a six-foot shoulder to the left

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Also during phase one, the ramp from southbound U.S. 202 to I-95 north will be extended to allow for better merging.

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In the project's second year, contractors will lower the roadbed of I-95 southbound by three feet where it passes under U.S. 202. This should address a clearance problem -- the risk of large vehicles hitting girders supporting the overpass.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on April 05, 2012, 09:18:54 PM
Widening on Del. 7 to take 20 months (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20120405/NEWS/204050343/Widening-Del-7-take-20-months)

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Work has begun in Bear on a project to widen a stretch of Del. 7 that's grown thick with apartment buildings and town home developments in recent years.

Crews will spend the next 20 months adding a lane in each direction to a mile-long section of the highway, known as Bear-Christiana Road, between Del. 273 and Newtown Road.

Sidewalks, bus stops and bike lanes also are planned, as well as a new traffic signal at the intersection with School Bell Road, according to the state Department of Transportation. Construction is expected to conclude in the winter of 2013.

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After the work, the section of Bear-Christiana Road will match the corridor's four lanes between Newtown Road and U.S. 40 in the area of Governor's Square, said spokesman Bob King of DelDOT. Both widening projects were approved in 2000 as part of a 20-year plan for improvements along U.S. 40. When DelDOT hosted public workshops about the Newtown to Del. 273 widening in 2003 and 2004, officials anticipated that construction would have concluded by 2005.

Delays followed, in part because of funding shortages but also because traffic along the corridor didn't grow as much as projected -- a trend reflected statewide, according to transportation planners. The Wilmington Area Planning Council has found that few sections or intersections on the U.S. 40 corridor are considered "failing" at this time. Transit usage has grown considerably -- by 11 percent -- along the corridor, said agency planner Dan Blevins.

Plans for more developments in the area have been filed with New Castle County, so things could soon change. Traffic growth along the corridor was greatest in the area of the road widening.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 05, 2012, 03:46:13 PM
I just found this postcard from US 13 at I-95 during the 1960's. Check out the old BGS:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retrolandusa/5794864559/in/photostream
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: allniter89 on May 05, 2012, 08:08:08 PM
I just found this postcard from US 13 at I-95 during the 1960's. Check out the old BGS:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retrolandusa/5794864559/in/photostream
Very nice find! Check out the Esso sign and is that a gas price sign, looks like 26cpg.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bsmart on May 13, 2012, 07:23:04 PM
That would have been about right 26.9 would probably have been the price
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 22, 2012, 11:08:18 PM
Very nice find! Check out the Esso sign and is that a gas price sign, looks like 26cpg.
I was thinking more about the "Toll" bannered I-95 sign, but the Esso sign is noteworthy too.

Is there still an Exxon station there? I forgot. I just remember stopping at Wawa off of I-495 on my way to Philly before going to Long Island.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on May 25, 2012, 08:32:41 PM
Indian River bridge lights up (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20120525/NEWS15/305250068/New-Indian-River-Inlet-Bridge-lights-up)

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With all of the lanes now open on the Indian River Inlet Bridge, engineers turned on the lights Thursday night for the first time.

The blue LED lights illuminating the stay cables will be on each night. There are 76 low-wattage (55 watt) bulbs and 16 LED fixtures illuminating the outside faces of the pylons, according to the Delaware Department of Transporation, making for a total of 92 lights.

DelDOT says a blue lens was added to soften the lighting, reduce glare and minimize any impacts to migratory birds that can become disoriented in the more traditional bright white lights.

This is one of the first cable stay bridges to use LED lighting technology and will offer substantial energy cost savings for the bridge lighting, DelDOT says.

The last of the four lanes on the new Indian River Inlet Bridge opened this week to traffic, ending a multiyear project that involved numerous lane closures and shifting traffic patterns. The pedestrian walkway is scheduled to open by Friday.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on July 05, 2012, 12:16:58 PM
Pain now, gain later near mall (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20120705/NEWS1501/307050032/Pain-now-gain-later-near-mall)
Construction at I-95, Del. 1 interchange is designed to alleviate congestion

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The next phase of construction at Delaware’s most congested interchange soon will close the loop ramp from northbound Interstate 95 to northbound Del. 7 and temporarily alter exit patterns from the Christiana Mall.

Both changes make room for construction of elevated flyover ramps connecting Del. 1 and I-95 that ultimately will allow for smoother merging and less congestion along the corridor, according to the Delaware Department of Transportation.

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Also starting July 16, officials will close the Christiana Mall exit near JCPenney until November to allow for construction on the ramp and its tie-in to Del. 7 — also part of the larger interchange project.

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Around July 23, crews will reopen the exit to northbound I-95 from Mall Ring Road (near Nordstrom and the Park & Ride lot) after a year’s closure, officials said.

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Construction on the interchange is expected to wrap up by the end of next year, DelDOT said.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Lyle on July 05, 2012, 08:27:30 PM
So they're finally building the I-95 to DE-1 flyover! It's about time!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: allniter89 on July 05, 2012, 09:07:53 PM
Indian River bridge lights up (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20120525/NEWS15/305250068/New-Indian-River-Inlet-Bridge-lights-up)

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With all of the lanes now open on the Indian River Inlet Bridge, engineers turned on the lights Thursday night for the first time.

The blue LED lights illuminating the stay cables will be on each night. There are 76 low-wattage (55 watt) bulbs and 16 LED fixtures illuminating the outside faces of the pylons, according to the Delaware Department of Transporation, making for a total of 92 lights.

DelDOT says a blue lens was added to soften the lighting, reduce glare and minimize any impacts to migratory birds that can become disoriented in the more traditional bright white lights.

This is one of the first cable stay bridges to use LED lighting technology and will offer substantial energy cost savings for the bridge lighting, DelDOT says.

The last of the four lanes on the new Indian River Inlet Bridge opened this week to traffic, ending a multiyear project that involved numerous lane closures and shifting traffic patterns. The pedestrian walkway is scheduled to open by Friday.
Not real good pics, but here it is.
http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicCameraDisplay&county=3
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on July 06, 2012, 02:42:57 AM
So they're finally building the I-95 to DE-1 flyover! It's about time!

Definitely some progress being made, but work will continue until the end of next year.

(https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/472276_10150963483127948_1113176612_o.jpg)

Took this photo a few weeks ago looking south from the Interstate 95 overpass at DE 1 & 7.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on July 18, 2012, 12:03:20 PM
Work set for Concord Pike exit on northbound I-95 (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20120718/NEWS15/120718008/Work-set-Concord-Pike-exit-northbound-95)

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Wilmington officials announced that an exit on I-95 northbound will be closed from midnight Thursday until 5 a.m. Friday.

Crews will remove overhead signs at Exit 8 (U.S. 202, Concord Pike). There will be signage alerting drivers to the closure and detours.

Drivers headed north should take the Marsh Road exit, turn left and then left onto I-95 southbound to Exit 8B (U.S. 202, Concord Pike/West Chester) or 8A (Concord Avenue).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NE2 on August 02, 2012, 10:11:11 PM
I don't know if this has been mentioned here, but the SR 1 freeway now extends south over the Barkers Landing Bridge: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.1061&lon=-75.4544&zoom=13&layers=M
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on August 04, 2012, 04:54:05 PM
Either Delaware uses Maryland's sign shop or likes to copy their signage.  Delaware has finally posted signs for its cell phone law, and they are identical to Maryland's (except for a very ugly font).  The sign I saw was on the I-495 South ramp just past the Naamans Road exit.

There are other similar signs.  Some exit signs on I-95 are shaped like Maryland's (with similar fonts) and they also use that lane ends warning sign (with the sloped downward arrows). 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on August 04, 2012, 05:10:27 PM
Delaware copies Maryland on a lot of things, such as "Welcome to" at subdivisions. (I've seen it in Maryland, though I first saw it in Delaware, so to be fair I don't really know which came first.)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: allniter89 on August 04, 2012, 07:09:59 PM
I don't know if this has been mentioned here, but the SR 1 freeway now extends south over the Barkers Landing Bridge: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.1061&lon=-75.4544&zoom=13&layers=M
Here's a 24/7 traffic camera at Barkers Landing, click on the yellow circle to the right to view. The next cam at DE 1 and Bowers Beach Rd shows my old homestead when the cam pans (the big white house).
www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicCameraDisplay&county=2

From what I can see the freeway is built to just north of Little Heaven. Before DE 1 was built this was US 113, a 2 lane hwy. It was a very dangerous intersection because to turn left off Trap Shooters Rd onto US 113 north (which 99% of traffic did) the structure of the old drawbridge obscurred your view. They didnt have the access roads like now, Trap Shooter Rd intersected directly (and deadended at) US 113. I lost a friend and an aquantiice here in two separate crashs and many many others died here also. :-(







Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on August 05, 2012, 01:29:02 PM
I was surprised to see the "folded-diamond" along Delaware 1 at Trap Shooters Road. There are small guide signs directing traffic to Magnolia there and street blades with Trap Shooters Road posted as well.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/de-001_nb_at_trap_shooters_rd.jpg)

Delaware 1 north at Trap Shooters Road. Photo taken June 18, 2012.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/de-001_sb_at_trap_shooters_rd.jpg)

Delaware 1 south at Trap Shooters Road. Photo taken June 18, 2012.

Going back almost ten years now, plans for an interchange at Little Heaven (former US 113 Alternate) are still ongoing. Construction may start in 2014 now. http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/little_heaven/index.shtml

I don't know if this has been mentioned here, but the SR 1 freeway now extends south over the Barkers Landing Bridge: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.1061&lon=-75.4544&zoom=13&layers=M
Here's a 24/7 traffic camera at Barkers Landing, click on the yellow circle to the right to view. The next cam at DE 1 and Bowers Beach Rd shows my old homestead when the cam pans (the big white house).
www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicCameraDisplay&county=2

From what I can see the freeway is built to just north of Little Heaven. Before DE 1 was built this was US 113, a 2 lane hwy. It was a very dangerous intersection because to turn left off Trap Shooters Rd onto US 113 north (which 99% of traffic did) the structure of the old drawbridge obscurred your view. They didnt have the access roads like now, Trap Shooter Rd intersected directly (and deadended at) US 113. I lost a friend and an aquantiice here in two separate crashs and many many others died here also. :-(
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Fleetwood Mac Attack on September 03, 2012, 12:53:01 PM
Does anybody have any idea why Google Maps doesn't display any traffic info at all for DE-1 south of Dover (where the expressway portion ends)? I realize that it's not a freeway but I think everyone can agree it's still a major roadway facility, and certainly carries more traffic in the summer than US-13 or US-113 in southern Delaware. So why then, on Labor Day, is there no traffic information??

https://maps.google.com/?ll=38.863236,-74.929504&spn=0.559243,1.130219&t=h&z=10&layer=t
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on September 04, 2012, 04:53:32 AM
Does anybody have any idea why Google Maps doesn't display any traffic info at all for DE-1 south of Dover (where the expressway portion ends)? I realize that it's not a freeway but I think everyone can agree it's still a major roadway facility, and certainly carries more traffic in the summer than US-13 or US-113 in southern Delaware. So why then, on Labor Day, is there no traffic information??

https://maps.google.com/?ll=38.863236,-74.929504&spn=0.559243,1.130219&t=h&z=10&layer=t
Depends on DelDOT or whatever other agency collects traffic information. The NYC area is well represented by INRIX on freeways, and NJ (as an example) collects their own information through 5-1-1 and interagency coordination to cover state highways and other major roads (even down to the town level). If a major roadway isn't covered, it's because Delaware doesn't have a system set up for that road, not because of Google Maps.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Fleetwood Mac Attack on September 04, 2012, 04:37:56 PM
Depends on DelDOT or whatever other agency collects traffic information. The NYC area is well represented by INRIX on freeways, and NJ (as an example) collects their own information through 5-1-1 and interagency coordination to cover state highways and other major roads (even down to the town level). If a major roadway isn't covered, it's because Delaware doesn't have a system set up for that road, not because of Google Maps.

This is confusing to me - "if a major roadway isn't covered"? I was under the impression that traffic data for Google maps/maps on an iPhone is generated using phones as probes. I currently live in Fairfax, Virginia; when I check traffic on my phone, I can see traffic on nearly any minor arterial in Virginia or in DC. When I was in Delaware yesterday, I could see traffic for roads in neighborhoods in northern DE. Why then would there be no data along DE-1 south of Dover, with thousands of cars jammed up?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on September 04, 2012, 06:38:12 PM
Depends on DelDOT or whatever other agency collects traffic information. The NYC area is well represented by INRIX on freeways, and NJ (as an example) collects their own information through 5-1-1 and interagency coordination to cover state highways and other major roads (even down to the town level). If a major roadway isn't covered, it's because Delaware doesn't have a system set up for that road, not because of Google Maps.

This is confusing to me - "if a major roadway isn't covered"? I was under the impression that traffic data for Google maps/maps on an iPhone is generated using phones as probes. I currently live in Fairfax, Virginia; when I check traffic on my phone, I can see traffic on nearly any minor arterial in Virginia or in DC. When I was in Delaware yesterday, I could see traffic for roads in neighborhoods in northern DE. Why then would there be no data along DE-1 south of Dover, with thousands of cars jammed up?

Because what is measuring the phones as probes? Hint: it's not the phone companies.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Mdcastle on September 08, 2012, 04:56:02 PM
I'm driving from Pocomoke City to Dorsett VA, and I wanted to make it to Delaware since I've never been there. I notice on my map the "First Mason Dixon Stone" is a couple of miles of US 50. Is that stone still the legal corner of Delaware so I can say I've been to the state if I circle the stone?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 08, 2012, 10:57:40 PM
I'm driving from Pocomoke City to Dorsett VA, and I wanted to make it to Delaware since I've never been there. I notice on my map the "First Mason Dixon Stone" is a couple of miles of US 50. Is that stone still the legal corner of Delaware so I can say I've been to the state if I circle the stone?

I think there is a stone at the southwestern corner of Delaware, but it is not the "crown stone", which is in Marydel, a considerable distance north of the corner of Delaware.

From U.S. 50 turn north onto Md. 313 toward Mardela Springs.  Make a quick right onto Md. 54 (Md. 54 east).  if you then continue on Md. 54, it will cross the southern side of Delaware just east of that stone (in other words, the road crosses into Delaware at a slight east/northeast heading). Stated differently, that stone will be on your left on Md. 54 before you reach the Md./Del. state line.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on September 13, 2012, 04:54:03 PM
I-95 ramp to US 202 [Delaware 202] will close (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20120913/NEWS1501/309130033/I-95-ramp-US-202-will-close?nclick_check=1)

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Workers will soon close the exit ramp from southbound I-95 to southbound U.S. 202 [should reference Delaware 202]/Concord Pike for eight months to make way for the ongoing realignment of ramps at the interchange, officials say.

Starting the week of Sept. 24, motorists will be directed to follow a 2-mile detour north of Wilmington...

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The overall interchange project is expected to wrap up in spring 2015, said Vernon Lawton, an area engineer for DelDOT.

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Initially, the existing ramp was to remain open while crews built the new one in phases. Crews now hope to complete the replacement ramp by April or May 2013, weather permitting, Torrijos said.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on September 27, 2012, 09:25:32 AM
State prepares for widening of Del. 26 (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20120927/NEWS1501/309270035/State-prepares-widening-Del-26?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home)

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State transportation officials are gearing up for a long-delayed, $65 million project to widen a stretch of Del. 26 between Clarksville and Bethany Beach, with construction expected to begin next fall.

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Night construction could reduce the project duration by 18 months as work could continue through the peak tourist season. Construction could then conclude within 2½ years, rather than four, officials estimate.

During peak season (May 16 to Sept. 30), no work will be permitted Fridays through Mondays or on holidays. From Tuesdays through Thursdays, daytime lane restrictions won’t be allowed unless the contractor can maintain two lanes of traffic, Frey said.

In the off-peak season, lane restrictions are possible seven days a week. Winter is also when crews will tackle bridge reconstruction that will close two points of Del. 26 for up to eight weeks and require detours, officials said.

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Planned improvements on Del. 26 include expanding the roadway from a width of roughly 40 feet to 64 feet. That will mean two, 11-foot-wide travel lanes; a 12-foot-wide continuous center turning lane; and 5-foot-wide paved shoulders in each direction. That work would extend from the intersection of Del. 26 at Omar and Powell Farm roads to Bethany Beach, to the point where Garfield Parkway expands to three lanes beyond the Assawoman Canal Bridge.

In addition to improving bicycle lanes along the corridor, plans call for installing 3.5 miles of sidewalks, six miles of curbing and delineating 230 entrances for businesses and residences, many of which have open, undefined entryways.

Work began in 2010 to widen and improve five miles of adjacent roads to serve as alternate routes during construction on Del. 26. To expedite that $11 million project after utility-related delays, the contractor began working on more than one section of roadway concurrently. Construction is expected to wrap up by next summer.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on September 29, 2012, 09:51:51 AM
I-95 interchange project to cause Del. 1 closures (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20120929/NEWS/309290033/I-95-interchange-project-cause-Del-1-closures?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home)

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Drivers should brace themselves for more detours at the I-95/Del. 1 interchange near Christiana Mall — this time, full closures of Del. 1 starting next weekend and continuing into early November.

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Depending on the day, crews will close the highway after 9 p.m. (later on weekends) and work through early morning. The roadway should reopen by 6 a.m. on weekdays, 10 a.m Saturdays and 8 a.m. Sundays. DelDOT’s contractor must maintain the current number of traffic lanes during peak travel hours.

The overnight closures are necessary to make room for the placement of large steel girders — part of the elevated fly-over ramps being built as part of the ongoing interchange project at I-95 and Del. 1.

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One new flyover ramp will ultimately carry traffic from northbound Interstate 95 to northbound Del. 7. The other flyover ramp will carry traffic from southbound I-95 to the new mall bridge, Torrijos said.

The multiyear project aims to create smoother merging and less congestion at one of Delaware’s busiest interchanges. Construction is expected to be complete by the end of next year.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jemacedo9 on September 29, 2012, 10:33:40 AM
State prepares for widening of Del. 26 (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20120927/NEWS1501/309270035/State-prepares-widening-Del-26?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home)

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State transportation officials are gearing up for a long-delayed, $65 million project to widen a stretch of Del. 26 between Clarksville and Bethany Beach, with construction expected to begin next fall.


I spent a week this summer inland of Bethany Beach, and DE 26 was a long solid line of cars, but moving at 25MPH for a good 5 mile stretch at any point on a regular weekday, morning til evening.  The weekend - standstill.  This is going to be a big help.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on October 12, 2012, 09:20:52 AM
Traffic cork set for I-95 (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20121012/NEWS1501/310110086/Traffic-cork-set-95)

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Interstate 95 will shut down for bridge construction at the U.S. 202 interchange the weekend before Halloween...

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Crews will close the highway from 8 p.m. Oct. 26 through 5 a.m. Oct. 29 to place large steel girders over the interstate — part of the new Exit 8 bridge to northbound U.S. 202, said Javier Torrijos, construction group engineer for DelDOT's north district.

Also inaccessible that weekend will be ramps from southbound U.S. 202 to northbound I-95 and from northbound 202 to southbound I-95. Those are in addition to the ramp from southbound I-95 to southbound 202, which is closed through April or May.

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The new ramp bridge will have a minimum 18½-foot clearance over the interstate, eliminating a substandard clearance that currently causes problems for oversized trucks, said Vernon Lawton, an area engineer for DelDOT.

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The I-95/U.S. 202 project is part of a $27.6 million makeover to improve safety and traffic flow through the heavily congested area. In a recent three-year period, the interchange had the highest crash rate among the six interchanges along I-95 in Delaware, according to a recent analysis by the Wilmington Area Planning Council.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on October 12, 2012, 11:24:03 PM
Traffic cork set for I-95 (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20121012/NEWS1501/310110086/Traffic-cork-set-95)

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Interstate 95 will shut down for bridge construction at the U.S. 202 interchange the weekend before Halloween...

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Crews will close the highway from 8 p.m. Oct. 26 through 5 a.m. Oct. 29 to place large steel girders over the interstate — part of the new Exit 8 bridge to northbound U.S. 202, said Javier Torrijos, construction group engineer for DelDOT's north district.

Advance VMS on I-95 only mention closing on Oct. 26, with no mention of a reopening date/time. I got the impression that it was going to be long-term based on that - very misleading.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on October 25, 2012, 01:37:57 PM
Fix planned for Churchmans Road ramp scramble (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20121025/NEWS1501/310250052/Fix-planned-Churchmans-Road-ramp-scramble)

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The Delaware Department of Transportation this week presented plans for a $1.75-million fix to improve safety and reduce congestion along a half-mile stretch of Churchmans Road, between Christiana Hospital and the Del. 1 interchange. Construction is expected to begin next fall.

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DelDOT engineers hope that adding a third right-turn lane will help. When crews complete the separate interchange project at I-95/Del. 1, coordination of signals on the corridor should also improve traffic flow, said Jenna Frye, the project engineer.

The workshop PDF shows the planned configuration at http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/churchmansRdCHtoSR1/workshops/102212_Workshop.pdf

Still no word on if they will ever add the missing connection from DE 1/7 southbound onto I-95 southbound that will allow motorists to no longer encounter the signal at DE 58...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 28, 2012, 12:52:25 PM
AP via WTOP Radio: Dune breach closes major Del. evacuation route (http://www.wtop.com/41/3096749/Dune-breach-closes-major-Del-evacuation-route)

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A major highway for people hoping to evacuate southern Delaware coastal communities is closed after ocean water breached sand dunes along the road.

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Sussex County officials say Delaware Route 1 is closed in both directions north of the Indian River Inlet Bridge because of water on the road. The dune breach occurred around dawn Sunday morning. Officials say the highway will remain closed indefinitely as Hurricane Sandy closes in on Delaware.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on November 27, 2012, 06:55:25 PM
Work to begin Monday on new Del. 1 interchange at Milford (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20121127/NEWS15/311270023/Work-begin-Monday-new-Del-1-interchange-Milford)

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Construction will begin Monday on a new Del. 1 interchange at Milford’s southern border, state officials announced today.

The work, expected to last about 14 months, will eliminate an accident-prone intersection that includes Wilkins Road, Del. 30 and Cedar Neck Road.

Delaware Department of Transportation officials said the contractor chosen for the work, George & Lynch, Inc. of Dover, submitted a bid of $9,222,466, the lowest of six received.

The initial work will require no lane closures but restrictions will be announced later, DelDOT said.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 27, 2012, 08:47:36 PM
Work to begin Monday on new Del. 1 interchange at Milford (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20121127/NEWS15/311270023/Work-begin-Monday-new-Del-1-interchange-Milford)

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Construction will begin Monday on a new Del. 1 interchange at Milford’s southern border, state officials announced today.

The work, expected to last about 14 months, will eliminate an accident-prone intersection that includes Wilkins Road, Del. 30 and Cedar Neck Road.

Delaware Department of Transportation officials said the contractor chosen for the work, George & Lynch, Inc. of Dover, submitted a bid of $9,222,466, the lowest of six received.

The initial work will require no lane closures but restrictions will be announced later, DelDOT said.

This is good news.  People drive the arterial portion of Delaware 1 between Rehoboth (the U.S. 9/Del. 404 intersection) and DAFB as if it were a 70 MPH freeway. 

What ever happened to the much-talked about "you have been warned" Delaware speed limit  enforcement?  Outside the corporate limits of certain municipalities (Georgetown, Harrington, Felton, Bridgeville and Seaford come to mind), there's not much speed limit in Delaware these days.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on December 20, 2012, 06:42:22 PM
I was wondering being that some intersections are being replaced with interchanges along DE 1, if the section of DE 1 from at least Milford to DAFB will be upgraded to complete freeway?

They took a lot of time and effort to make the DE 1 Turnpike part of DE 1 and to sign the original US 113 north of Milford as DE 1 so it can be one continuous road from the Greater Wilimington Area to the Beach region.   I would assume that DelDOT would also want the rest of DE 1 to Rehoboth  as free and clear of obsticles as well.  Plus, even though the idea of a Delmarva interstate will never happen in the next 50 years, I would figure that DE 1 from Dover to Milford is going to be that possible future interstate, so it might seem feasable to kill two birds at one time even if its sporadic in completing it.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on December 20, 2012, 07:06:55 PM
Doubtful.  There's a lot of private access to DE 1 between Milford and Little Heaven, with some buildings fairly close to the highway.  Not impossible, but it'd be very expensive for DelDOT to buy all that out in order to upgrade DE 1 to a full freeway.

As for the planned new interchange at DE 30, no work had begun as of this past Monday, though it's still early in the project.  The "interim improvements" at Cedar Neck Rd and Johnson Rd have very much been implemented though...Cedar Neck Rd is now a right-in/right-out on both sides (no median crossing period), while at Johnson Rd, left turns onto NB 1 have been closed (left turns *FROM* NB 1 are still allowed).  There's a median opening just to the south at Sharps Rd, so this one isn't quite as bad.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on January 02, 2013, 02:02:39 PM
Part of Newark's Elkton Road now called South Main Street (http://www.wdel.com/story.php?id=48085)

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Part of Newark's Elkton Road now has a new name--South Main Street.

Newark City Council decided back in June to re-name the portion of Elkton Road between West Main Street and West Park Place effective New Year's Day, saying Elkton Road has been part of downtown Newark since Council expanded downtown's boundaries in 2007.

Council members believe the name change will foster growth by associating Elkton Road with Newark's downtown section.

Affected businesses and residents were told of the change in September, and DELDOT has completed changing road signs along the re-named road.

A ceremony recognizing the name change is set for Friday morning in the parking lot of Buffalo Wild Wings at 100 South Main Street.



Was told about the renaming of Elkton Road to South Main Street by one of my best friends and a lifelong Newark native. He said that the renaming was more motivated to dissociate Newark with Elkton. After an airport run to PHL on Christmas Day, we rode through the new "South Main Street".

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/de-896_nb_app_de-002b_273.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/de-896_nb_app_de-002b_273.jpg)

New signage in place on College Avenue (DE-896) ahead of West Main Street (DE 2 Business/273 westbound). Funny how Highway Gothic was used instead of the state-standard of Clearview...

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/de-002b_273_wb_896_nb_app_split.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/de-002b_273_wb_896_nb_app_split.jpg)

Approaching the split of DE 2 Business/273 and 896 at the end of Newark business district. South Main Street begins to the left over what was Elkton Road.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/de-002b_wb_begin_south_main_street.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/de-002b_wb_begin_south_main_street.jpg)

The redesigned Elkton Road / now South Main Street begins as Delaware 273 east turns onto Delaware Avenue. The two-lane boulevard replaced a four-lane arterial along this stretch.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/de-002b_wb_end_south_main_st.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/de-002b_wb_end_south_main_st.jpg)

The end sign for South Main Street resides at Park Place. New mast-arms at signalized intersections along South Main Street have yet to receive street-name placards. Otherwise this stretch of South Main Street/Elkton Road varies between a four-lane divided boulevard or five-lane arterial with a center turn lane.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 02, 2013, 02:11:11 PM
did this sign get zapped, then?

(https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/delaware001/de-002b_273_wb_at_de-896_nb_02.jpg)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on January 02, 2013, 04:21:03 PM
did this sign get zapped, then?


Yes, all of those were Clearview'ized by June 2012.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 03, 2013, 09:49:43 AM
Part of Newark's Elkton Road now called South Main Street (http://www.wdel.com/story.php?id=48085)



Was told about the renaming of Elkton Road to South Main Street by one of my best friends and a lifelong Newark native. He said that the renaming was more motivated to dissociate Newark with Elkton. After an airport run to PHL on Christmas Day, we rode through the new "South Main Street".

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/de-002b_273_wb_896_nb_app_split.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/de-002b_273_wb_896_nb_app_split.jpg)

Approaching the split of DE 2 Business/273 and 896 at the end of Newark business district. South Main Street begins to the left over what was Elkton Road.

While we are in this area, it's interesting to note the 'Railroad Crossing' signs.  They are for a crossing that see a lot of train vs. vehicle crashes.  The crossing is gated and there's no reason why vehicles should be entering the path of the train, but they seem to do so much more frequently here than at other crossings.  The nearby Wonderland Records store even keeps a camera watching the intersection, and they have posted video of some very interesting accidents.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on January 08, 2013, 12:48:15 PM
Updates on two major interchange projects in Delaware over the holidays:

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/de-001_007_nb_exit_165b.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/de-001_007_nb_exit_165b.jpg)

Northbound Delaware 1 and 7 shifted from the summer onto a new alignment. To go along with this, a new sign bridge style (for DE at least) was posted at the off-ramp to Interstate 95 north. Still lots of work to be done on the flyovers.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/de-001_007_sb_exit_165b.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/de-001_007_sb_exit_165b.jpg)

Heading southbound through the I-95/DE 1 interchange project, traffic from DE 7 remains on the original alignment and approaches the new flyover that will shuttle I-95 south to DE 1 south traffic.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/i-095_us-202_construction.jpg) (http://ww.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/i-095_us-202_construction.jpg)

Blasting is a regular thing at the I-95/US 202 interchange. You can see the change to the hillside in the background. The loop ramp that was Exit 8A on I-95 southbound (to DE 202 south) is gone now, and the footprint for the realigned Exit 8 is readily visible from above. A portion of the new two-lane directional ramp from I-95 north to US 202 north is in place, but the old ramp is in the way...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: akotchi on January 08, 2013, 01:53:18 PM
Why the space next to the I-95 North in the first photo?  Seems like the I-295 and I-495 shields could have gone in that space.  The shields also look small compared to the text on those panels.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on January 10, 2013, 10:38:10 PM

Northbound Delaware 1 and 7 shifted from the summer onto a new alignment. To go along with this, a new sign bridge style (for DE at least) was posted at the off-ramp to Interstate 95 north. Still lots of work to be done on the flyovers.

According to DelDOT, they will be placing the beams over I-95 in February.  There will be multiple 12-hour closures of I-95.

http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=4605
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 11, 2013, 09:29:02 AM
DelDOT must be in some sort of contest for ugliest BGS's. 

Why the extra space between 'Exit' and the exit #?
Why is 95 North/95 South off-centered on both signs?
Why is 'Wilmington' slightly off-centered, compared to 'Philadelphia'?
Why is there a small supplement sign on the post of this gantry for 295/495, right at the exit, rather than on the overhead sign as they were historically placed?

About the only thing I like is the size of the font used for the control cities.


According to DelDOT, they will be placing the beams over I-95 in February.  There will be multiple 12-hour closures of I-95.

http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=4605

This is something else I don't understand.  Most highways are able to accomplish this with momentary (15 +/- minute) stoppages to install a beam, which is done overnight.  DelDOT closed I-95 near US 202 all night on several occasions to install the beams, and are doing the same here.

By comparison, the NJ Turnpike is building new overpasses on a 25 mile stretch of highway, and never once needed to close the turnpike to accomplish this.  In most cases, they used police cars to pace traffic approaching the overpass construction, with the goal of moving at a slow speed but not needing to come to a complete stop.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 1995hoo on January 11, 2013, 03:01:35 PM
Why the space next to the I-95 North in the first photo?  Seems like the I-295 and I-495 shields could have gone in that space.  The shields also look small compared to the text on those panels.

That gantry is ugly as well.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on January 27, 2013, 11:24:44 AM
You know seeing the metric exit numbers on DE 1 makes me think about the old NJ joke that most people make about its small size.  The "What exit number?" question many ask of a New Jersian to ridicule them of being small in size.

I know this was done for an experiment that failed, but if someone pulls that particular joke on a Delawarian, they could easily foil the jokester with that three digit number.

Also, I shocked someone once when they asked me "What exit number?" years ago.  Of course, I lived in Clark, so that is off Exit 135 of the Parkway (GSP).  One person did not believe me and said to me "That exit numbers do not go that high."  Oh , yes they do and up to 171 as we all know.  I will bet he looked it up afterward.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on January 27, 2013, 01:55:50 PM
One person did not believe me and said to me "That exit numbers do not go that high."  Oh , yes they do and up to 171 as we all know.
172. Thanks for playing. Good night.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: BrianP on January 28, 2013, 10:07:47 AM
One person did not believe me and said to me "That exit numbers do not go that high."  Oh , yes they do and up to 171 as we all know.
172. Thanks for playing. Good night.
Hey what about exit 354? :P
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 28, 2013, 11:49:05 AM
One person did not believe me and said to me "That exit numbers do not go that high."  Oh , yes they do and up to 171 as we all know.
172. Thanks for playing. Good night.
Hey what about exit 354? :P
Does not belong, and the DRPA's explanation to me (that they were just contining the exit numbering sequence) didn't make sense either!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on January 28, 2013, 05:47:16 PM
One person did not believe me and said to me "That exit numbers do not go that high."  Oh , yes they do and up to 171 as we all know.
172. Thanks for playing. Good night.
Hey what about exit 354? :P
I counter that with, what about Exit J?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: exit10 on January 31, 2013, 12:58:40 AM
So Main Street in Newark now has a three-way intersection with itself? This seems ... ill-advised. I hope my alma mater can explain this to incoming students ...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PurdueBill on February 05, 2013, 07:37:26 PM
did this sign get zapped, then?

(https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/delaware001/de-002b_273_wb_at_de-896_nb_02.jpg)

I lived right near those signs once (could see them out a window for a year even) and will miss them--especially the one with the little circular shields with interior outlines.  Sigh.

 
Updates on two major interchange projects in Delaware over the holidays:

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/de-001_007_nb_exit_165b.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/de-001_007_nb_exit_165b.jpg)

Delaware used to have really good-looking BGSs imo......what has happened to them?!?!?!  Why is TO 295/495 not on the main panel?  Why do the 95 shields (and directions) seem so small?  Why does there seem to be extra space between the shields and the control cities?  Why so much space between EXIT and 165?  Yuck!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on March 13, 2013, 10:29:28 AM
The proposal upgrades the diamond interchange at DE 1 & 273 to a six-ramp partial-cloverleaf interchange with loops on the west side. It also severs Delaware 7 northward into Christiana. If this comes to pass, DelDOT should truncate DE 7 to DE 273 and extend DE 1 to the Pennsylvania state line over DE 7 north of Interstate 95. Poor Christiana, its been cut off couple of times already by commercial sprawl and this would leave it with just an east-west through route.

Del. 1 proposal worries residents of Christiana (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130313/NEWS1501/303140010/Del-1-proposal-worries-residents-Christiana?nclick_check=1)

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A project at the interchange of Del. 1 and Del. 273 would permanently close East Main Street north of the Christiana Park & Ride lot, state officials say.

The closure would make way for a new loop ramp to and from southbound Del. 1 at Del. 273. The DART bus hub and commuter parking lot would be moved to the Christiana Mall, project manager Darren O’Neill said.

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Although construction is years away, DelDOT plans a public workshop next month to discuss the full project — to add a lane to Del. 1 in each direction from the Del. 273 interchange to the Chesapeake & Delaware Canal, including the Roth Bridge.
Title: Signage at SR-1 and I-95 Continues to Disappoint
Post by: ChezeHed81 on March 21, 2013, 11:38:49 AM
This week, I-95 NB Exit 4B reopened at SR-1.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8095/8576475249_3a0b6cc050_c.jpg)
Perhaps, in the sign shop, the elements seemed big enough, but out here, the shields are small (perhaps 24") and while the legend appears to be 16" 5WR, compared to the signs installed during recent I-95 projects in Delaware, even the 16" legend appears undersized.  They are made up of larger flat panels (i.e. Florida- or Virginia-style) instead of the typical extruded sectional construction.  Perhaps somebody knows if these signs were laid out this way because of the existing gantry restrictions.  Given only one gore point on I-95, it seems unnecessary to retain the A/B suffixes.

With so many reasons to dislike these signs, there are two positive aspects:  (1) Gone is the "beaches" pictograph.  I always thought it belonged on an auxiliary guide sign anyway. (2) Dover is a more appropriate control point here than at SR-273 (Exit 3).

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8240/8577574772_2fab307e28.jpg) (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8225/8576475413_5ab55f9bed.jpg)
Everything about these feels too small.  One can only hope that these are temporary. 

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8243/8576475561_0420f191a8.jpg)
To the left is the new Exit 4B ramp which replaced a cloverleaf loop.  These signs are made of the same construction as on SR-1 northbound.  It's odd that on the ramp, the features are larger than on mainline I-95 considering this is a major interchange.  Another oddity is the hump just ahead which then drops just as quickly on the other side as it veers right to merge onto SR-1 SB.
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**Follow-up Edit:  The ribbed backs for the first three signs are visible from I-95 southbound, so the original signs are still under there.  Why replace when you can refinish for less?  Still hoping these are temporary. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 22, 2013, 07:04:05 AM
Does anyone know what became of "Metroform," which used to be a "control city" for either Del. 1 or Del. 4 on I-95?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on March 22, 2013, 11:05:02 AM
Does anyone know what became of "Metroform," which used to be a "control city" for either Del. 1 or Del. 4 on I-95?

It was the named coined for the development planned at DE 4 and 7 that never really went anywhere. The name was unpopular and so they took in public feedback and Churchman's Crossing was the most popular. Even still, there is nothing that really exists that is Churchman's Crossing. Stanton is still there and standard development along DE 58 has taken place in the form of shopping centers rather than the master planned concept that Metroform entailed.



Regarding the new signs pictured in the previous post, those have to be temporary in nature, because the sign bridges are still the originals (or at least the ones from the mid-80s) and DelDOT always uses that Maryland-style overhead with the corrugated panels with the sharp corners. Still though I was shocked to see that Exit 4 now departs in unison from I-95 north!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 22, 2013, 12:38:41 PM
Does anyone know what became of "Metroform," which used to be a "control city" for either Del. 1 or Del. 4 on I-95?

It was the named coined for the development planned at DE 4 and 7 that never really went anywhere. The name was unpopular and so they took in public feedback and Churchman's Crossing was the most popular. Even still, there is nothing that really exists that is Churchman's Crossing. Stanton is still there and standard development along DE 58 has taken place in the form of shopping centers rather than the master planned concept that Metroform entailed.



Regarding the new signs pictured in the previous post, those have to be temporary in nature, because the sign bridges are still the originals (or at least the ones from the mid-80s) and DelDOT always uses that Maryland-style overhead with the corrugated panels with the sharp corners. Still though I was shocked to see that Exit 4 now departs in unison from I-95 north!

I'll try to post the photo I took last night soon, but the shields are quite small!  The 95 North to 1/7 North ramp though is a nice, smooth ramp, even as you drive right next to the wall for the ramps from 95 South to 1 South.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on March 25, 2013, 12:03:40 PM
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130325/NEWS15/130325004/DelDOT-plans-workshops-Del-1-widening

The state Department of Trans­portation will hold two public work­shops next month about planned wid­ening of Del. 1 in New Castle County.

The first is 5-8 p.m. April 8 in the Leasure Elementary School cafeteria, 1015 Church St. in Bear. The second is 6-9 p.m. April 18 at the Kathleen H. Wilbur Elementary School multipurpose room, 3942 Wrangle Hill Road in Bear.

Officials are working on plans to widen the highway between Del. 273 and the Roth Bridge over the Chesa­peake & Delaware Canal to relieve congestion, improve safety in high-crash areas and ensure emergency and evacu­ation access along the corridor.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on March 26, 2013, 08:57:34 AM
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improve safety in high-crash areas

More effective (and less costly) than widening the road for this would be installing a median barrier.  I'm also doubtful that it needs the extra lanes, especially south of US 13.  Even during rush hour, it's not that bad.  And widening is only going to further complicate the problem where everyone "shunpikes" off DE 1 at the south end of the bridge.

What they could do is continue the second lane on SB 1 where it merges with 13, extending it as an auxiliary lane to the off-ramp at 72.  I think that's the best way to alleviate what congestion exists outside of Christiana.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 26, 2013, 09:36:05 AM
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improve safety in high-crash areas

More effective (and less costly) than widening the road for this would be installing a median barrier.  I'm also doubtful that it needs the extra lanes, especially south of US 13.  Even during rush hour, it's not that bad.  And widening is only going to further complicate the problem where everyone "shunpikes" off DE 1 at the south end of the bridge.

What they could do is continue the second lane on SB 1 where it merges with 13, extending it as an auxiliary lane to the off-ramp at 72.  I think that's the best way to alleviate what congestion exists outside of Christiana.

The area between 95 and 1/13 is extremely busy, especially at rush hour, and definitely warrants widening.  Additionally, the construction of the flyover ramps from 95 to 1 will allow a lot more traffic to access Rt. 1 at one time, so future congestion is a definite issue.

The 3 lanes on 1/13 and over the Roth bridge probably is sufficent for a while, and if I were to guess, would be a second phase to the construction project.  The bridge simply needs re-striping, although making it 4 lanes will wipe out the shoulders.

A top priority should be to reconfigure the merge from Rt. 1 to 1/13 to provide for 2 lanes onto 1/13, then taper it down as motorist have a chance to merge over.  Actually, when they first built the highway, this was the lane pattern and for whatever reason, they reduced the ramp from 2 lanes to 1 mid-ramp.  Another possibility is to maintain the 2 lanes from 1 to 1/13, and the left lane from Rt. 13 will be the lane that ends.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on March 31, 2013, 10:12:18 PM
This should be no surprise to anyone familiar enough with Delaware: http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130331/NEWS02/303310068/Influence-access-taint-land-use-decisions

I can't comment much more because I work for New Castle County (formerly in Land Use - we in GIS got moved to Information Systems a few years ago).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on April 05, 2013, 09:58:20 AM
Going back to the small route shields at the new 95/1 interchange...

It appears new signs, with new, larger shields, have been installed on 95 North at the Exit for DE 1/7, and on the ramp itself.  The shields are now larger. Not the largest I've seen, but larger than the shields that were there.  It's possible as well that the shields were just replaced, rather than the entire sign being replaced.

However...further back on 95, the signs for Exit 4, 1 mile ahead still have the small shields on them for DE 1 & 7.  So maybe they haven't gotten around to replacing them yet.  I'll have to keep an eye on that over the next few weeks to see if they are replaced as well.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on April 05, 2013, 08:44:19 PM
There are still small shields here and there, along with some small numerals (and with fractions that's really annoying).

What bugs me more are the gantries along I-95 north between DE 1/7 and DE 141 that show the right-most lane as "exit-only" for I-295.  It's not, you have to use that lane to get to Exit 5B for DE 141 north.  (That and all the offramps that have no signage for what's where, or which way the numbered highway goes, or both.)

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on April 08, 2013, 09:08:31 AM
What bugs me more are the gantries along I-95 north between DE 1/7 and DE 141 that show the right-most lane as "exit-only" for I-295.  It's not, you have to use that lane to get to Exit 5B for DE 141 north.

That's fine.  There's enough signs for the 141 Exit that I don't think people get confused.  The 'Exit Only' language is needed for the split though. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on April 09, 2013, 09:13:47 AM
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130409/NEWS/304090039/Del-1-proposal-fails-to-ease-concerns

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DelDOT explains options for $180 million project to overhaul Del. 1

Written by Jeff Montgomery The News Journal
Apr. 08
   
A state Department of Transportation workshop on options for a $180 million expansion of a major north-south highway drew dozens of residents to Bear on Monday evening, many concerned about noise or the sacrifice of local access to meet through traffic needs.  The project, unlikely to begin before late 2015, would add one lane in each direction along nearly 10 miles of Del. 1, eventually creating three lanes each way between Del. 273 and Tybouts Corner and four lanes between Tybouts and the south side of the Roth Bridge.

Major overhauls of the Del. 273, Tybouts Corner and Del. 72 interchanges are planned, with less extensive work at U.S. 40. The Del. 273 options include a more complex and wider cloverleaf of ramps and overpasses, possibly moving some on- and off-traffic to intersections at Newtowne Road and Del. 7 or nearby School Bell Road .  One feature of the proposed design would ease cross-traffic friction by dead-ending Del. 7 just north of Del. 273, along a stretch of road that doubles as East Main Street in the historic and repeatedly flooded crossroads village of Christiana.  “I think that’s pretty rude, to shut us out,”  said Charles Ford, who has lived along a private road on the south side of Christiana, near the proposed new closing point, for a decade. “It’s going to cause a lot of extra time, extra gas and useless mileage on our vehicles.”

Congestion, safety and long-term needs are driving all of the plans, officials said during the workshop at Leasure Elementary School.  Northbound Del. 1 already fails to meet current traffic flow standards between U.S. 40 and Del. 273, and both directions fail immediately south of Tybouts Corner.  “A big part of it right now is, you have a congestion problem, we have multiple accident areas that are consistent, they’re not just a fluke,”  said Darren M. O’Neill, a project development group engineer with DelDOT.  “There’s a projection of growth in this area. If we don’t do something, the level of service at almost every location is going to fail, which will only lead to more congestion and traffic,”  he said.  Officials expect traffic along the corridor to nearly double in some areas by 2040, reaching 125,000 cars daily north of Tybouts, and 140,000 daily to the south. Current studies are aimed at selecting long-term solutions that meet environmental and federal highway aid requirements.

Much of the early public response to the plan has focused on proposals to rework the Del. 273 interchange south of Christiana Mall, where backups and accidents are common at the Del. 1 on- and off-ramps and the adjacent signal where Del. 273 and 7 meet.  The entire area often clogs dangerously, officials said, as through traffic tangles with driver efforts to dog-leg between Del. 1 and heavily developed areas of Del. 7 to the south along a too-short stretch of Del. 273.  To some Christiana residents, however, the cul-de-sac plan represents the latest chapter in a sort of “death of a thousand cutoffs”  for the long-ago bypassed community.

“When it rains, it floods, and cutting off where they’re proposing to cut off, the people that live there are stuck,”  said Saddie Waters, who lives nearby and who has attended Christiana United Methodist Church most of her life.  Major highway and commercial developments already have created a dead-end east of the town, forcing traffic through the Del. 1 mall interchange. In the north, commercial development prompted DelDOT to close West Main Street’s direct connection with Del. 273, shunting drivers instead onto a road that doubles as a shopping center access.  East-west traffic in Christiana concentrates along a shoulderless, narrow, two-lane section of Old Baltimore Pike already known for epic traffic jams during holidays and summer weekends.

DelDOT plans another workshop from 6-9 p.m. April 18 at Wilbur Elementary School near the Del. 72 interchange. Separate sessions on possible noise consequences are planned during the summer.

I wonder those who complain about the village of Christiana being cut off would like to go back to the days when not only did DE 7 use East Main Street and North Old Baltimore Pike (which it still does, but there was no Delaware 1 in this area until the mid-1990s) and DE 273 followed Main Street through the village (until the mid-1980s).

The details of the planned interchange upgrades are at the bottom of the "listening tours" here:
http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/sr1/sr1-wide/pdf/273_ListeningTour.pdf
http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/sr1/sr1-wide/pdf/SR72_Area_Listening_Tour.pdf (One option for the DE 1/DE 72 interchange would involve a diverging diamond.)

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on April 11, 2013, 11:57:26 AM
On a different note, I noticed on my way north last week that construction of the DE 1/DE 30 interchange near Milford has begun.  Grading for the future southbound DE 1 ramps is well underway.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 29, 2013, 09:38:31 AM
Dave Watts on Facebook found a gem on the Delaware State Archives site about the Delaware Turnpike.  Among other things, there is some discussion of the (long discontinued) ramp tolls on the Turnpike:

DELAWARE TURNPIKE SCRAPBOOK

Delaware Turnpike — John F. Kennedy Memorial Highway (http://archives.delaware.gov/exhibits/document/scrapbooks/turnpike.shtml)

EDIT:  Corrected typo.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on April 29, 2013, 12:23:07 PM
Dave Watts on Facebook found a gem on the Delaware State Acrhives site about the Delaware Turnpike.  Among other things, there is some discussion of the (long discontinued) ramp tolls on the Turnpike:

DELAWARE TURNPIKE SCRAPBOOK

Delaware Turnpike – John F. Kennedy Memorial Highway (http://archives.delaware.gov/exhibits/document/scrapbooks/turnpike.shtml)

Very interesting.  I haven't had time to review all the articles, but 2 that caught my eye were the articles about the honor system envelopes and the hotel off what is the ramp for 141 North.

The honor system envelopes were supposed to allow those that didn't have the change to pay the ramp toll the ability to mail the money.  They lasted all of 26 days in the early 70's, with the grand majority never used to mail back the quarter.  The Garden State Parkway had a similiar system which was in use for several decades, elimanated only a few years ago (although I'm sure more envelopes were tossed rather than used to pay the toll).

The hotel that was envisioned in the early 1970's for the interchange just off I-95 North near the 95/295 split at Exit 5, Rt. 141, was never built until the late 90's.  And then, with an opening scheduled for 2000, it was never opened until about 2011 due to disagreements with the county.  It looks like it was supposed to compliment the nearby New Castle Airport, which never developed into a medium/large scale passenger airport. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: BamaZeus on April 29, 2013, 12:55:42 PM
Wow.  First article I read has to do with people arguing over patronage jobs. "The city was supposed to get that job...We won't take this lying down"

It just seems strange for people from the same party to be arguing publicly over political patronage, something seemingly more appropriate to the 19th century. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Brandon on April 29, 2013, 01:42:28 PM
Wow.  First article I read has to do with people arguing over patronage jobs. "The city was supposed to get that job...We won't take this lying down"

It just seems strange for people from the same party to be arguing publicly over political patronage, something seemingly more appropriate to the 19th century. 

I take it you've never read a Chicago newspaper.  That sort of patronage crappola is still a way a life around these parts.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: BamaZeus on May 01, 2013, 11:14:04 AM
I know the concept of patronage still exists and all, it's just the idea of it being in the open news that got to me.  I just envisioned that sort of political dealing to be more behind closed doors than debated in the local newspaper. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on May 10, 2013, 09:22:30 AM
Sign work to close southbound Del. 1 at I-95 tonight (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130510/NEWS15/305100056/Sign-work-close-southbound-Del-1-95-tonight)

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Southbound Del. 1 will be closed late tonight near Christiana Mall to allow for installation of an overhead sign structure, the Delaware Department of Transportation reports.

The road will be closed at the I-95 overpass from 11 p.m. until 7 a.m. Saturday.

Southbound traffic will be detoured east on I-95, east on Del. 273 and back to Del. 1.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 10, 2013, 10:11:02 AM
Sign work to close southbound Del. 1 at I-95 tonight (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130510/NEWS15/305100056/Sign-work-close-southbound-Del-1-95-tonight)

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Southbound Del. 1 will be closed late tonight near Christiana Mall to allow for installation of an overhead sign structure, the Delaware Department of Transportation reports.

The road will be closed at the I-95 overpass from 11 p.m. until 7 a.m. Saturday.

Southbound traffic will be detoured east on I-95, east on Del. 273 and back to Del. 1.

Really?  Closing a roadway for 8 hours to add a sign structure?  Something that normally take a 15+/- minute closure to complete? 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 10, 2013, 08:16:16 PM
Sign work to close southbound Del. 1 at I-95 tonight (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130510/NEWS15/305100056/Sign-work-close-southbound-Del-1-95-tonight)

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Southbound Del. 1 will be closed late tonight near Christiana Mall to allow for installation of an overhead sign structure, the Delaware Department of Transportation reports.

The road will be closed at the I-95 overpass from 11 p.m. until 7 a.m. Saturday.

Southbound traffic will be detoured east on I-95, east on Del. 273 and back to Del. 1.

Really?  Closing a roadway for 8 hours to add a sign structure?  Something that normally take a 15+/- minute closure to complete? 

I dunno.  Are they removing an old structure first?  A structure that spans an entire roadway (or both roadways), takes more than 15 minutes to install.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 11, 2013, 07:56:21 AM
Sign work to close southbound Del. 1 at I-95 tonight (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130510/NEWS15/305100056/Sign-work-close-southbound-Del-1-95-tonight)

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Southbound Del. 1 will be closed late tonight near Christiana Mall to allow for installation of an overhead sign structure, the Delaware Department of Transportation reports.

The road will be closed at the I-95 overpass from 11 p.m. until 7 a.m. Saturday.

Southbound traffic will be detoured east on I-95, east on Del. 273 and back to Del. 1.

Really?  Closing a roadway for 8 hours to add a sign structure?  Something that normally take a 15+/- minute closure to complete? 

I dunno.  Are they removing an old structure first?  A structure that spans an entire roadway (or both roadways), takes more than 15 minutes to install.

Just saying from experience - it's very rare for entire roadways to be shut down just to put up a sign.  It would be a weekly occurrence on the NJ Turnpike for example with all the overhead signs and bridge beams they are installing.  Instead, if you see the construction schedules, you'll see traffic slowdowns for small periods of time while a sign/beam is installed, not several hours of closures.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on May 13, 2013, 07:23:08 PM
All I can think is that they're going to use this closure to do a lot of other work that's much more easily done without traffic around.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on May 30, 2013, 12:17:35 AM
I'm not sure what to make of this:

http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/NewarkRouteChanges/index.shtml

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It is our experience that most people do not realize that Route 2 comes into Newark from the east off of Capitol Trail, goes down Route 72 to Route 4, and then to the west to Elkton Road, and then to the state line. Nor do most people realize that Main Street and Elkton Road (up to Route 4) are designated as Business Route 2.

Given that very few people or businesses refer to any form of Route 2 in Newark, we propose to end Route 2 at Route 273. We would completely eliminate Business Route 2. Almost all of the roads where we propose to eliminate the Route 2 or Business Route 2 designation are also "braided" with another Delaware route designations which would remain unchanged (such as Route 273, Route 72, and Route 896). The exception is Elkton Road between the Maryland state line and Christina Parkway, which we propose to designate as Delaware Route 279. This then matches the other side of the state line which is designated as Maryland Route 279.

The goal of this effort is to simplify the route designations in Newark, reduce sign clutter, and reduce sign maintenance costs.

http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/NewarkRouteChanges/pdfs/NewarkProposedRoutes.pdf

Why not just get rid of Business 2 after 25 years (I remember the signs going up in 1988) and route DE 2 through Newark again?  Or send DE 4 down Elkton Road and eliminate the need for a DE 279?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NE2 on May 30, 2013, 02:11:52 AM
It's good when numbers match at the state line. But why keep 4 on 896?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on May 30, 2013, 10:01:00 AM
I'm not sure what to make of this:

http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/NewarkRouteChanges/index.shtml

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It is our experience that most people do not realize that Route 2 comes into Newark from the east off of Capitol Trail, goes down Route 72 to Route 4, and then to the west to Elkton Road, and then to the state line. Nor do most people realize that Main Street and Elkton Road (up to Route 4) are designated as Business Route 2.

Given that very few people or businesses refer to any form of Route 2 in Newark, we propose to end Route 2 at Route 273. We would completely eliminate Business Route 2. Almost all of the roads where we propose to eliminate the Route 2 or Business Route 2 designation are also "braided" with another Delaware route designations which would remain unchanged (such as Route 273, Route 72, and Route 896). The exception is Elkton Road between the Maryland state line and Christina Parkway, which we propose to designate as Delaware Route 279. This then matches the other side of the state line which is designated as Maryland Route 279.

The goal of this effort is to simplify the route designations in Newark, reduce sign clutter, and reduce sign maintenance costs.

http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/NewarkRouteChanges/pdfs/NewarkProposedRoutes.pdf

Why not just get rid of Business 2 after 25 years (I remember the signs going up in 1988) and route DE 2 through Newark again?  Or send DE 4 down Elkton Road and eliminate the need for a DE 279?

More of this "unbraiding" route nonsense. I agree with elsemere241, why not just extend DE-4 to the state line, rather than have a new DE-279 arbitrarily change to DE 4 while DE 896 turns? Plus I thought part of the rational to rename a portion of Elkton Road to South Main Street was to disassociate Newark with Elkton? Importing MD-279 just reaffirms that connection. Plus DE 4 originally went to the state line along Chestnut Hill Road:

(https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/delaware999/chestnut_hill_rd_eb_at_de_line.jpg)

There is still the three-way overlap with DE-71, DE 896 and US 301 to the south as well that could fall under their "unbraiding" policy. Truncate DE 896 to DE 273, keep South Main Street unnumbered (I am sure Newark would be totally on board with that) and number the portions of DE-896 south from DE 4 something else.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on May 30, 2013, 11:29:57 AM
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I agree with elsemere241, why not just extend DE-4 to the state line, rather than have a new DE-279 arbitrarily change to DE 4 while DE 896 turns?

See NE2's comment.  Truncate 4 to where it meets 896.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on May 30, 2013, 12:02:44 PM
If they're going to create a DE 279 it should go all the way downtown.  The problem with truncating DE 4 is that Christina Parkway was built as DE 4 - DE 896 was added around 1985, DE 2 in 1988.  And there's the theoretical possibility of Christina Pkwy being extended farther west.  (When pigs fly.)

Nobody really followed the post-1988 routing of DE 2 (or paid much attention to it) - it doesn't go through town, but a good part of it is two-lane and it crosses Amtrak twice.  I'd say it would be easier to get rid of "Business 2" and move DE 2 back where it was, and maybe run DE 896 up South College Avenue again.  That would certainly make things less cluttered in Newark.  Besides, people will go the way they go regardless of how things are posted.

As for DE 896 around Middletown, I'll post something on that later.  I will say, having seen the plans for US 301 (I've processed a lot of DelDOT takings for it with my job at New Castle County) it might make sense for DE 15 to follow the US 301 Spur, rather than zigzag the way it does now.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on June 11, 2013, 04:31:41 PM
The proposal page now has a place for public comments.  Here's what I just posted:

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I would rather DE 2 be restored to its pre-1988 alignment.  The current route takes it over Amtrak twice, can be hard to follow, and multiplexes with DE 4 or DE 72 its entire length, sometimes using two-lane roads.  If DelDOT is that concerned about multiplexed highways (and difficult turns) it should move DE 896 back from Elkton Road to South College Avenue.  As it is, DE 896 north has to go around the block along West Delaware Avenue, South College Avenue, and West Main Street.  It might be better to curtail DE 896 at downtown Newark and come up with a new number for South College/Summit Bridge anyway.

If you must curtail DE 2, then Elkton Road below Christina Parkway should be DE 4, rather than bring in a new number.  It might be a good idea for that stretch to be DE 2 and DE 4 anyway - something I thought would happen when Christina Parkway was built in 1983.

If you must bring in a DE 279, it should go all the way into downtown, whether or not DE 896 is moved or curtailed.  There is no point in creating a new number for just a couple of miles that ends where a new route (in this case DE 4) begins.

If DelDOT is that concerned with route numbers from Maryland carrying over, might I suggest creating DE 285 (Chesapeake City Road, connecting to DE 71); DE 310 (which could replace the current DE 896 along Pole Bridge Road); and/or replacing DE 299 west of Middletown with DE 282.  There are several other instances of highways having different numbers in each state and there's no reason to proactively change any of them.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on June 11, 2013, 05:08:47 PM
The proposal page now has a place for public comments.  Here's what I just posted:

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I would rather DE 2 be restored to its pre-1988 alignment.  The current route takes it over Amtrak twice, can be hard to follow, and multiplexes with DE 4 or DE 72 its entire length, sometimes using two-lane roads.  If DelDOT is that concerned about multiplexed highways (and difficult turns) it should move DE 896 back from Elkton Road to South College Avenue.  As it is, DE 896 north has to go around the block along West Delaware Avenue, South College Avenue, and West Main Street.  It might be better to curtail DE 896 at downtown Newark and come up with a new number for South College/Summit Bridge anyway.

If you must curtail DE 2, then Elkton Road below Christina Parkway should be DE 4, rather than bring in a new number.  It might be a good idea for that stretch to be DE 2 and DE 4 anyway - something I thought would happen when Christina Parkway was built in 1983.

If you must bring in a DE 279, it should go all the way into downtown, whether or not DE 896 is moved or curtailed.  There is no point in creating a new number for just a couple of miles that ends where a new route (in this case DE 4) begins.

If DelDOT is that concerned with route numbers from Maryland carrying over, might I suggest creating DE 285 (Chesapeake City Road, connecting to DE 71); DE 310 (which could replace the current DE 896 along Pole Bridge Road); and/or replacing DE 299 west of Middletown with DE 282.  There are several other instances of highways having different numbers in each state and there's no reason to proactively change any of them.

I agree with everything you wrote.

One other thought on the proposals they have, if they are going to truncate DE 2 to East Main Street, why not renumber DE 72 from Possum Park Road northward to something else as well, and have DE 72 start at Library Avenue and DE 273. This would eliminate the somewhat odd concept of having DE 2/72 overlap westward with DE 2 ending and DE 72 continuing.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on June 11, 2013, 05:25:56 PM
I agree with everything you wrote.

One other thought on the proposals they have, if they are going to truncate DE 2 to East Main Street, why not renumber DE 72 from Possum Park Road northward to something else as well, and have DE 72 start at Library Avenue and DE 273. This would eliminate the somewhat odd concept of having DE 2/72 overlap westward with DE 2 ending and DE 72 continuing.

Or maybe that new route could stay on Paper Mill Road, etc. etc.  DelDOT certainly has opened a can of worms with this whole thing.  Personally, I can think of a few other changes they could make that would make more sense than this.  That could include, say, adding a 500-series of routes in northern New Castle County that could be "virtual section line roads" to make it easier to get around without a map in hand.  (Below the C&D Canal, including in Kent and Sussex, they could be "virtual township line roads", maybe.)

At least Bob Gilligan has retired from the General Assembly.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: hbelkins on June 21, 2013, 11:25:28 PM
"Braided?" Don't think I've ever heard that term before, but it's better than "multiplex."

I prefer "concurrent" or "co-signed" or even "share pavement" to "multiplex." Where did that term for two or more routes signed on the same road originate?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NE2 on June 22, 2013, 12:06:18 AM
I prefer "concurrent" or "co-signed" or even "share pavement" to "multiplex." Where did that term for two or more routes signed on the same road originate?
m.t.r. "Decommissioned" came from Route 66 fandom.

PS: Google Groups' new interface sucks ass for searching. In addition to having to keep hitting page down/end and wait for it to load, it seems to go back only to 1997.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on June 24, 2013, 10:33:33 AM
Opening of I-95 ramp at US 202 set for Tuesday (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130624/NEWS15/130624001/Opening-95-ramp-US-202-set-Tuesday)

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The Delaware Department of Transportation has rescheduled the opening of the new ramp from I-95 southbound to U.S. 202 southbound.

Officials have moved the ramp’s opening – part of a three-year project to improve the interchange – to Tuesday because of recent rains.

The event had been scheduled to occur today.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on July 01, 2013, 06:04:55 PM
Rush W sent me this Newark Post article on the Newark route renumbering:

A route to less clutter: DelDOT to consolidate Newark route numbers (http://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/article_081d2586-e14b-11e2-94de-001a4bcf887a.html)

Per the article, were the route changes made official?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on July 01, 2013, 09:32:22 PM
Rush W sent me this Newark Post article on the Newark route renumbering:

A route to less clutter: DelDOT to consolidate Newark route numbers (http://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/article_081d2586-e14b-11e2-94de-001a4bcf887a.html)

Per the article, were the route changes made official?

According to the DelDOT page I referenced a month ago, no.  They're still taking comments.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on July 08, 2013, 10:16:48 AM
Public forum tonight on plans for I-295, US 13 (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130708/NEWS15/130708002/Public-forum-tonight-plans-295-US-13-)

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A public workshop today in New Castle will discuss upcoming construc­tion on southbound I-295 and U.S. 13 just south of the interstate’s overpass.

Plans include installing a tunnel under U.S. 13 to accommodate pedestri­ans and bicyclists, as part of a larger recreational trail envisioned between Wilmington and New Castle. Three lanes of traffic will be maintained at all times during construction, with the exception of two planned weekend detours for closings.

Southbound I-295 is also being reconstructed between Del. 9 and I-95, including the removal of five bridges and the replacement of the bridge spanning U.S. 13 and several safety improvements to the ramps in both directions.

Those interested may stop by the meeting between 4 and 7 p.m. at the Howard J. Weston Community Center, 1 Bassett Ave. in the Manor Park community near New Castle.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: BrianP on July 08, 2013, 11:29:46 AM
What five bridges are being removed?  I think I can identify four of them.  First would be the bridge on I-295 south that goes over the former ramp from US 13 south to I-295 north.  Another might be the ramp from US 13 north to I-295 south might be moved so that bridge over I-295 north can be removed.  Then there are 2 bridges on I-295 south that are west of US 13 that are not present on I-295 northbound.  But I'm stuck on the fifth bridge.

I'm most interested if they will add another lane to I-295 south across US 13.  The concrete pavement on I-295 south which is west of US 13 is in quite bad shape. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 08, 2013, 03:19:33 PM
What five bridges are being removed?  I think I can identify four of them.  First would be the bridge on I-295 south that goes over the former ramp from US 13 south to I-295 north.  Another might be the ramp from US 13 north to I-295 south might be moved so that bridge over I-295 north can be removed.  Then there are 2 bridges on I-295 south that are west of US 13 that are not present on I-295 northbound.  But I'm stuck on the fifth bridge.

I'm most interested if they will add another lane to I-295 south across US 13.  The concrete pavement on I-295 south which is west of US 13 is in quite bad shape. 

4 of the overpasses are on 295 South:

1) Over the former ramp from 13 South to 295 North
2) Over US 13 North/South
3) Over former Baylor Blvd.  Baylor was reconfigured to meet US 13 South near Delaware State Hospital.  The overpass for this road on 295 North was removed in a previous construction project.
4) Over former Minuit Drive.  While there's a housing development on one side of 295, there's nothing of interest on the other side of 295, and access appears to be tied
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: BrianP on July 08, 2013, 04:32:36 PM
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2) Over US 13 North/South
That one doesn't count as a removal. It's covered separately in the article:
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...including the removal of five bridges and the replacement of the bridge spanning U.S. 13...
Unless they are mistakenly counting that bridge twice (as a replacement and a removal).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on July 11, 2013, 08:07:57 AM
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130711/NEWS1501/307110051/Interchange-work-near-Christiana-Mall-will-cost-more-meet-holiday-shopping-deadline

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: BrianP on July 11, 2013, 09:40:30 AM
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Eighty percent of the project is covered by federal funds.
WTF?  That's a toll road why does it get Fed funding? 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 11, 2013, 10:38:56 AM
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Eighty percent of the project is covered by federal funds.
WTF?  That's a toll road why does it get Fed funding?

The federal government did fund part (not all - part) of the construction costs of the ICC.

Wonder if Delaware has cut the definition of the "toll-maintained" part of the Delaware Turnpike to only include the section from the Maryland line to the Delaware Welcome Center service plaza?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NJRoadfan on July 11, 2013, 09:51:20 PM
Why is DelDOT even touching that road to begin with? From the signing, its maintained by DRBA. (referring to I-295)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on July 12, 2013, 12:05:33 AM
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Eighty percent of the project is covered by federal funds.
WTF?  That's a toll road why does it get Fed funding? 
The northern part of DE 1 is free and on the NHS, which is why it's in the 80% category.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on July 13, 2013, 01:19:14 PM
Comments are closed on the Newark routing thing.  Maybe I'll hear back from DelDOT soon.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 13, 2013, 08:56:54 PM
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Eighty percent of the project is covered by federal funds.
WTF?  That's a toll road why does it get Fed funding? 
The northern part of DE 1 is free and on the NHS, which is why it's in the 80% category.

I read someplace (might have been on Scott Kozel's site (http://www.pennways.com/DE-1_KWVM_Hwy.html)) that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers owns all of the bridges over the Chesapeake & Delaware Canal, including that big cable-stayed span that carries Del. 1 over the canal - and that the Corps may not charge tolls on those bridges, which is why the northernmost toll barrier on the Relief Route (Del. 1) is just south of interchange immediately adjacent to the interchange on the south side of the bridge.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NJRoadfan on July 13, 2013, 09:22:09 PM
I read someplace (might have been on Scott Kozel's site (http://www.pennways.com/DE-1_KWVM_Hwy.html)) that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers owns all of the bridges over the Chesapeake & Delaware Canal, including that big cable-stayed span that carries Del. 1 over the canal - and that the Corps may not charge tolls on those bridges, which is why the northernmost toll barrier on the Relief Route (Del. 1) is just south of interchange immediately adjacent to the interchange on the south side of the bridge.

The project was funded 50% federal/50% state. The toll free portion was built with federal funding while the southern half was funded by the State of Delaware with bonds that are being repaid by tolls. The reason why the C&D bridge is free is that originally the St. Georges/US-13 bridge was going to be removed and DelDOT had to maintain a free crossing over the canal.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jp the roadgeek on July 15, 2013, 12:30:21 AM
Rush W sent me this Newark Post article on the Newark route renumbering:

A route to less clutter: DelDOT to consolidate Newark route numbers (http://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/article_081d2586-e14b-11e2-94de-001a4bcf887a.html)

Per the article, were the route changes made official?

According to the DelDOT page I referenced a month ago, no.  They're still taking comments.

Looks neater, but why not just truncate DE 72 at DE 2, and extend DE 2 over DE 72 down to DE 1/US 13?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 15, 2013, 09:07:38 AM
I read someplace (might have been on Scott Kozel's site (http://www.pennways.com/DE-1_KWVM_Hwy.html)) that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers owns all of the bridges over the Chesapeake & Delaware Canal, including that big cable-stayed span that carries Del. 1 over the canal - and that the Corps may not charge tolls on those bridges, which is why the northernmost toll barrier on the Relief Route (Del. 1) is just south of interchange immediately adjacent to the interchange on the south side of the bridge.

The project was funded 50% federal/50% state. The toll free portion was built with federal funding while the southern half was funded by the State of Delaware with bonds that are being repaid by tolls. The reason why the C&D bridge is free is that originally the St. Georges/US-13 bridge was going to be removed and DelDOT had to maintain a free crossing over the canal.

Delaware Route 9 & US 301 are free bridges as well.

Originally, there wasn't an exit on the South side of the DE 1 bridge, so all traffic would have to pay a toll prior to being able to exit.  The exit just south of the bridge to US 13 was built due to appease the many, many people complaining they had to pay a toll. 

Delaware does sometimes bend over backwards, especially when they don't have to.  The 95/1 construction project is another example - yes, a faster timeline will help motorists get to and from the mall area, but it really doesn't help the state out in any way - it's not like the state will get tax revenue from the purchases made at the mall.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NE2 on July 15, 2013, 10:39:03 AM
Originally, there wasn't an exit on the South side of the DE 1 bridge, so all traffic would have to pay a toll prior to being able to exit.
"Originally" meaning during planning: https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/sr1_turnpike.htm
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The bridge was originally to be tolled, but to garner maintenance of the bridge by the Army Corps of Engineers required at least one toll free crossing at St. Georges. The pending closure and dismantling of the St. Georges Bridge nixed the proposal to include the new bridge as part of the tolled section of the SR 1 Turnpike, and thus the bridge remains a free entity. To maintain the toll free status DelDOT added an exit for U.S. 13 (by way of Lorewood Grove Road) at South St. Georges to the project.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on July 15, 2013, 11:48:25 AM
Rush W sent me this Newark Post article on the Newark route renumbering:

A route to less clutter: DelDOT to consolidate Newark route numbers (http://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/article_081d2586-e14b-11e2-94de-001a4bcf887a.html)

Per the article, were the route changes made official?
The latter part of the article makes reference to a rerouting the southern portion of US 202 off of I-95 and DE 141.  In that case, the solution there is rather obvious; place the portion of US 202 south of I-95 back to its previous alignment to Business US 13 (currently signed as DE 202).

Back to the Newark area changes for a moment.  The current plan looks good (the extension of 279 into Delaware is a complete no-brainer IMHO); but I would go one-step further and truncate DE 4 at DE 896 (at the Univ. of Delaware campus, as others have suggested).  IMHO, having the latter section piggy-back along 896 serves no purpose whatsoever. 

Doing such would also further simplify the description of the northern shun-pike route to avoid the extortion-rate $4 tolls along I-95 at the state line.  :)

I would also truncate that last piece of DE 2 at DE 72 rather than having it still multiplex w/72.

"Braided?" Don't think I've ever heard that term before, but it's better than "multiplex."

I prefer "concurrent" or "co-signed" or even "share pavement" to "multiplex." Where did that term for two or more routes signed on the same road originate?
The writer of the article may not necessarily be an engineer and/or roadgeek.  :sombrero:

I kind of like the term that I used earlier in this post... piggy-back.  :)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on August 07, 2013, 05:47:15 PM
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130807/LIFE04/130807015/Delaware-Spaces-Three-states-backyard-near-Newark
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 08, 2013, 01:22:36 PM
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130807/LIFE04/130807015/Delaware-Spaces-Three-states-backyard-near-Newark

Even better that the owner of the land where Pennsylvania, Delaware & Maryland meet is named Virginia. :-)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: brownpelican on August 11, 2013, 07:48:30 PM
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130807/LIFE04/130807015/Delaware-Spaces-Three-states-backyard-near-Newark

Nice little story there.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on August 16, 2013, 09:31:56 PM
Sounds like the first flyover for the I-95 interchange at DE 1 will open right before Labor Day.

http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=4865

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As part of the on-going Route 1/I-95 Interchange Project, DelDOT's contractor, Cherry Hill Construction will be installing barrier walls, overhead signs, and paving. This construction will require lane and exit ramp closures beginning at 7 p.m. on Monday, August 26 and ending at 7 a.m. on Tuesday, August 27. The opening of the new fly-over ramp will eliminate the existing cattle chute on I-95 southbound to Route 1 southbound

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6 a.m. on Tuesday, August 27
Re-open Route 1 southbound, removal of lane restrictions from I-95 southbound, and Opening of Fly-Over Ramp for I-95 southbound to Route 1 southbound.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on August 16, 2013, 11:19:10 PM
Sounds like the first flyover for the I-95 interchange at DE 1 will open right before Labor Day.

http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=4865
Just in time for the sum...mer... season...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ChezeHed81 on August 17, 2013, 08:04:26 AM
Delaware is getting its first set of overhead arrow-per-lane signs.  The two that I've found are off northbound exit 5A, and southbound exit 4B, next to the offramps.  Below is the sign assembly to be located at Exit 4B:

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5527/9530374452_2942741eea_c.jpg)


The one by the hotel has limited sight-lines due to hotel landscaping, but contains SR-1, SR-7 and SR-58 shields with at least "Churchmans Cr" and "Mall Road", and probably "Dover" (to be confirmed).

I'm looking forward to the highway-speed flyover and not having to contend with exit ramp snipers who fly up in the through lane and slam on their brakes in the gore area.  DelDOT's latest 2-lane ramp projects have been quite successful at relieving traffic:  I-95 at 202 northbound and the extended right lane on Route 1 southbound at US-13.  Both of those locations are worlds better than their previous incarnations.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 17, 2013, 09:31:00 AM
I've seen the back of the one near the hotel at the 95/295 split.  Seems...not needed, at this point.  The existing signs are only a few years old (after 95 was widened to 5 lanes).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 17, 2013, 09:40:12 AM
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130817/NEWS15/308170003/I-95-shut-Concord-Pike-until-Monday-morning?nclick_check=1

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In a major weekend traffic disruption, I-95 is shut down in both directions to allow for bridge demolition at the Concord Pike/U.S. 202 interchange north of Wilmington.

The road work is expected to divert an estimated 30,000 to 40,000 travelers a day to I-495, the recommended alternate route, before I-95 is reopened at 5 a.m. Monday.

Crews have closed the interstate at Concord Pike several times since last fall as part of the interchange reconstruction project.

Completely unnecessary for what they are doing.  Removing and installing bridge beams is not something that requires complete highway closures for an entire weekend.  As I said before, comparing this to the NJ Turnpike, the turnpike would've been shut down many night and weekend for the past few years if they maintained the same policies.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NE2 on August 17, 2013, 11:01:58 AM
Does Beaches really need a symbol?

(Also: right sign should be 7 NORTH 58.)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on August 17, 2013, 01:57:17 PM
Does Beaches really need a symbol?

No it does not, but DelDOT likes to place trailblazers for everything, which in this instance is dumb.


(Also: right sign should be 7 NORTH 58.)

I pointed out that error for DE 58 north to Steve when we stopped and photographed that two weeks ago. The panel has several other problems too such as EXIT ONLY in Clearview on the right and black outlines for the EXIT ONLY placards to the left...



I have always thought that Mall Road should be placed on an auxiliary sign. Usually when its placed with Christiana on guide signs for DE 7 (which is already in place on the southbound flyover), it conveys "Christiana Mall Road". However new signs on DE 1/7 south now read "Mall Road Christiana". This will likely change again if DE 7 between Christiana and DE 273 is removed as part of the proposed expansion of the interchange between DE 1 and 273.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 19, 2013, 08:48:38 AM
Most technically, the right sign should read "58", then "To Rt. 7 North"
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 20, 2013, 03:15:17 PM
TOLLROADSnews: Delaware integrating E-ZPass into DMV division of DelDOT (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/6700)

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Delaware DOT is integrating toll collection more tightly into its motor vehicles division which handles the state's motor vehicle registry and issue of vehicle license plates. Division director Jennifer L Cohan told TOLLROADSnews in an interview Friday that with the growth of open road and all-electronic tolling she sees increasing "synergy."

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"We are going to be doing more tolling to upgrade our highways. It's going to be free flow toll collection, so the synergy with the motor registry will only grow."
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on August 20, 2013, 08:18:22 PM
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130817/NEWS15/308170003/I-95-shut-Concord-Pike-until-Monday-morning?nclick_check=1

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In a major weekend traffic disruption, I-95 is shut down in both directions to allow for bridge demolition at the Concord Pike/U.S. 202 interchange north of Wilmington.

The road work is expected to divert an estimated 30,000 to 40,000 travelers a day to I-495, the recommended alternate route, before I-95 is reopened at 5 a.m. Monday.

Crews have closed the interstate at Concord Pike several times since last fall as part of the interchange reconstruction project.

Completely unnecessary for what they are doing.  Removing and installing bridge beams is not something that requires complete highway closures for an entire weekend.  As I said before, comparing this to the NJ Turnpike, the turnpike would've been shut down many night and weekend for the past few years if they maintained the same policies.
You've inadvertently stepped into my wheelhouse ;) No, you don't need to close the road, but in this case, they realized that I-495 can easily handle the diverted traffic. It's a LOT more efficient to get work done without having to worry about traffic coming by. Instead of 15-minute slowdowns, waiting for traffic to clear, and being limited to overnight hours, they can accomplish in a single weekend what might have taken a month.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 20, 2013, 09:13:18 PM
You've inadvertently stepped into my wheelhouse ;) No, you don't need to close the road, but in this case, they realized that I-495 can easily handle the diverted traffic. It's a LOT more efficient to get work done without having to worry about traffic coming by. Instead of 15-minute slowdowns, waiting for traffic to clear, and being limited to overnight hours, they can accomplish in a single weekend what might have taken a month.

I strongly agree. 

But there are not many parts of I-95 that have such a good alternate route as I-95 through Wilmington enjoys in the form of I-495.

Speaking of efficient, it's also important to note that being efficient also means saving money (either taxpayer money or money from toll-paying customers or money belonging to someone else).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on August 21, 2013, 10:22:47 AM
Delaware is getting its first set of overhead arrow-per-lane signs.  The two that I've found are off northbound exit 5A, and southbound exit 4B, next to the offramps.  Below is the sign assembly to be located at Exit 4B:

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5527/9530374452_2942741eea_c.jpg)


Bob emailed me to report that this sign is now in place above Interstate 95.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ChezeHed81 on August 22, 2013, 08:06:52 AM
Both of the Arrow-Per-Lane signs are now installed over the southbound lanes.  Well, technically, only one is an APL, as the first, (the one near the "sandbox" (DelDOT maintenance facility in the median) has no arrows (as of August 21, 16:45).  Couldn't tell if they were covered, but that would be one huge greenout.  Rather, I suspect they are not installed as the one by exit 4B has the diverging portion of the option arrow obscured by what appears to be material like that of a black plastic bag which is held on by duct tape (Red Green would be so proud.)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on August 22, 2013, 09:09:13 AM
Now they need to do something like that going northbound, to point out that while I-295 northbound (unsigned Exit 5C) will eventually split off to the right, exits 5A-B for DE 141 (and unsigned US 202 south) will still come off the right lane.  I've seen at least one car be in the middle lane to stay on I-95, then jump across the I-295 split to get to the DE 141 north offramp.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on August 22, 2013, 10:14:51 AM
Speaking of those OAPL's, Bob sent me this article this morning:

Flyover ramp from SB I-95 to Del. 1 opens Tuesday (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130822/NEWS1501/308220057/Flyover-ramp-from-SB-95-Del-1-opens-Tuesday?nclick_check=1)

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By Tuesday morning’s rush, commuters will be relieved of a long-maligned choke point when the new flyover ramp from southbound I-95 to Del. 1 opens to traffic, officials say.

The new design is meant to eliminate dangerous weaving between lanes at Exit 4A and relieve chronic backups at peak hours.

Motorists exiting the southbound lanes of I-95 near Christiana will no longer have to compete with traffic entering the interstate, and vice versa.

“We’re closing the cattle chute,”  Transportation Secretary Shailen Bhatt said Wednesday.

Bhatt was referring to the end of the existing ramp from southbound I-95 to Del. 1, where drivers haltingly merge into heavy mall-bound traffic and other vehicles traveling south on Del. 1/7.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 23, 2013, 10:11:01 AM
Got a good look at Delaware's arrow-per-lanes signs Thursday.  The one closest to Exit 4A/B is up.  For the split arrow (95/1), the exit arrow is covered up by what appears to be duct tape and black plastic.  Otherwise, what you see in the above picture is what you see overhead.

The sign closer to Exit 5 (Rt. 141) is an arrow-per lanes sign for 95 South as well...nothing is on the overhead assembly for 95 North.  The arrows are definitely not greened out...there's simply nothing there on the bottom part of the sign.

The 95 South to 1 South bridge is hardly complete...there's actually a fair amount of work left on them.  I'm a little surprised they are opening the overpass in its condition.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ChezeHed81 on August 27, 2013, 08:04:39 AM
Around 6:30 this morning, the new flyover ramp from I-95 SB to Route 1 SB opened.  With it being open for only about 20 minutes, and the traffic being light, it seemed like a good time to take "grand opening" pictures.  It will be more interesting this afternoon when it has to handle rush hour.  The following is a progression of photos up and over the new ramp:

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5541/9604425253_aec56c7860_z.jpg)
Arrows still to come...

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3698/9604425043_ed9eb8557e_z.jpg)
Option arrow revealed

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7414/9604424885_b4145120db_z.jpg)
I it looks like a "cover-up"...  APL arrows overlaid on existing pull-through

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7392/9604424677_b523b2f67e_z.jpg)
The "gore-y" details (temporary sign)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3722/9607660118_12b4e5142d_z.jpg)
Preparing to split

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5348/9607660204_7c40e1f404_z.jpg)
Exit to SR-7 and Christiana Mall.  Ahead, the right through lane ends.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7428/9604424465_718713c453_z.jpg)
The ramp is built for two lanes, but striped for one.  This appears to be the likeliest weak link in the system.  Either this is going to work well, or the delay will merely be displaced from I-95 to here.  I'd have preferred to extend the left lane from SR-7, coming in from the right of this photo to meet with the exit only lane for SR-273.  That would allow for this ramp to remain two lanes for its duration.  The existing bridge at the point where the lane from SR-7 comes in is already built for three lanes.

With some of the existing sign gantries remaining in place, it would seem that there is plenty of room to be freed up to place enough auxiliary guide signs for destinations like Stanton, Beaches, and Christiana Mall, which would probably allow for MUTCD-standard APLs.

Ramp construction seems to be well done - smooth, easily done at full-speed (traffic conditions permitting).  By the end of the week, there should be a fairly decent test with several rush hours and Friday beach traffic and Labor Day weekend extra volume.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 27, 2013, 09:13:48 AM
Very cool pics!  I was down in the area Thursday thru Sunday for some volunteer work, and as of Sunday the lines hadn't been painted on the new overpass, the temporary barrier wasn't on the new overpass, and the modified APL on the exiting pull-thru hadn't been modified.

A few notes:

When 95 was congested on Saturday, I got a good look at the first APL sign - the one missing the arrows.  A close look revealed that there are holes in the sheeting where the arrows should be located, so either the arrows had been installed and removed, or the arrows will be installed and those holes were there in preperation of that.  Why the arrows aren't there now is the real unanswered question though.

What an ugly Exit 4        B sign.  Look closely at the 4....that almost looks like a crooked 'A'!

I won't be surprised if there's congestion for a few days (even into next week) approaching the interchange, simply due to the new configuration.  After that though, traffic should be free-flowing.

The single lane in that last photo should be temporary, especially as the 'Right Lane Ends' signs are construction signs.  I would like to believe the lane to the right of the barriers will merge into the lanes after the barrier and then end.  Eventually, Rt. 1 is supposed to be widened from 2 to 3 lanes, and all 3 lanes thru this area will continue thru.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on August 27, 2013, 11:07:01 AM

The single lane in that last photo should be temporary, especially as the 'Right Lane Ends' signs are construction signs.  I would like to believe the lane to the right of the barriers will merge into the lanes after the barrier and then end.  Eventually, Rt. 1 is supposed to be widened from 2 to 3 lanes, and all 3 lanes thru this area will continue thru.

I would not be so sure about the ramp expansion to two lanes. DE 1 currently is relegated to a single lane ramp at its merge with US 13 as well. Plus from the News Journal article:

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Two lanes will taper to one by the time the ramp meets southbound Del. 1 just north of the interchange with Del. 273, officials said.

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He noted that drivers on the ramp won’t have to merge onto Del. 1 but will have the dedicated use of the left, southbound lane. That also should keep the bulk of the traffic entering Del. 1 out of the way of those in the right lane trying to exit the highway for Del. 273, Torrijos said.



Planned US 113 upgrade in works (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130827/NEWS15/308270057/Planned-US-113-upgrade-works)

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DelDOT opened a series of briefings and rekindled a long-smoldering debate Monday over plans to rebuild parts of U.S. 113 in Sussex County, convening meetings in Millsboro and Dagsboro to outline its preference for an up to $839 million proposal to relocate the highway between Millsboro and the Maryland line.

The agency released its choice in a draft environmental impact statement with little fanfare earlier this month. Generally, the plan calls for a bypass of Millsboro, Dagsboro and Frankford along a new alignment swinging well east of the existing highway. The existing road would be upgraded from the Maryland line to north of Selbyville before shifting onto a new path east of the present highway.

Actual construction could be decades away, officials acknowledged. Options for bypassing Millsboro in the draft environmental impact statement retained many key features of an approach outlined in 2007. Town manager Faye Lingo said Monday that local officials still support the design.

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Plans for the 16.9-mile stretch include six full interchanges, nine overpasses and five water crossings.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 27, 2013, 12:31:25 PM

The single lane in that last photo should be temporary, especially as the 'Right Lane Ends' signs are construction signs.  I would like to believe the lane to the right of the barriers will merge into the lanes after the barrier and then end.  Eventually, Rt. 1 is supposed to be widened from 2 to 3 lanes, and all 3 lanes thru this area will continue thru.

I would not be so sure about the ramp expansion to two lanes. DE 1 currently is relegated to a single lane ramp at its merge with US 13 as well. Plus from the News Journal article:

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Two lanes will taper to one by the time the ramp meets southbound Del. 1 just north of the interchange with Del. 273, officials said.

That's unfortunate.  It also doesn't explain why orange constuction signs are used for that lane closure, rather than permanent yellow diamond signs.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 02, 2013, 03:23:04 PM
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I would not be so sure about the ramp expansion to two lanes. DE 1 currently is relegated to a single lane ramp at its merge with US 13 as well.

DE 1's right lane was actually extended past the merge to utilize some extra pavement.  So technically DE 1 keeps more than one lane through that merge.

Fixed end quote tag - Alex
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on September 02, 2013, 05:03:30 PM
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I would not be so sure about the ramp expansion to two lanes. DE 1 currently is relegated to a single lane ramp at its merge with US 13 as well.

DE 1's right lane was actually extended past the merge to utilize some extra pavement.  So technically DE 1 keeps more than one lane through that merge.

Fixed end quote tag - Alex

We were referring to the movement from Interstate 95 south to Delaware 1 south, which is the predominate source of traffic for DE 1 headed south to Bear and Dover. The configuration heading south will change again once a decision is made on how to upgrade the interchange with DE 273.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 02, 2013, 05:56:46 PM
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I would not be so sure about the ramp expansion to two lanes. DE 1 currently is relegated to a single lane ramp at its merge with US 13 as well.

DE 1's right lane was actually extended past the merge to utilize some extra pavement.  So technically DE 1 keeps more than one lane through that merge.

Fixed end quote tag - Alex

We were referring to the movement from Interstate 95 south to Delaware 1 south, which is the predominate source of traffic for DE 1 headed south to Bear and Dover. The configuration heading south will change again once a decision is made on how to upgrade the interchange with DE 273.

Someone had mentioned the merging of Rtes. 1 and 13 as a comparison to the I-95 south to Rte. 1 south ramp.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on September 02, 2013, 06:21:33 PM
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I would not be so sure about the ramp expansion to two lanes. DE 1 currently is relegated to a single lane ramp at its merge with US 13 as well.

DE 1's right lane was actually extended past the merge to utilize some extra pavement.  So technically DE 1 keeps more than one lane through that merge.

Fixed end quote tag - Alex

We were referring to the movement from Interstate 95 south to Delaware 1 south, which is the predominate source of traffic for DE 1 headed south to Bear and Dover. The configuration heading south will change again once a decision is made on how to upgrade the interchange with DE 273.

Someone had mentioned the merging of Rtes. 1 and 13 as a comparison to the I-95 south to Rte. 1 south ramp.

That was me, and I see your point as the DE 1 mainline reduces to one lane at US 13 whereas this is just a ramp to DE 1 tapering to one lane.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 02, 2013, 08:58:18 PM
http://deldot.gov/information/projects/us113/millsboro/index.shtml#MillsboroDEIS (http://deldot.gov/information/projects/us113/millsboro/index.shtml#MillsboroDEIS)

There's some fantastic information here about this future US Rte. 113 freeway.  Personally, I hope this lays the groundwork for a Delmarva interstate, but that's probably far-fetched. Perhaps a relocated I-97?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NE2 on September 02, 2013, 09:32:23 PM
Personally, I hope this lays the groundwork for a Delmarva interstate, but that's probably far-fetched. Perhaps a relocated I-97?  :biggrin:
Well shit, I got it. Extend the recently-approved NC I-495 east to Norfolk, then up the Delmarva and connect it to existing DE I-495. The Capital Beltway can be I-69O.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on September 03, 2013, 02:56:26 AM
We won't see a Delmarva Interstate.  Opposition in Virginia's portion plus lack of interest/priority in Maryland.  Virginia studied the idea in 2006.  Cost and limited traffic growth were  also cited as factors.

A US 113 freeway would be nice, but IMO the big hangup on 113 is in Milford, not Millsboro.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 03, 2013, 07:08:12 AM
At the very least the current freeways and planned extensions could be a x95 interstate.  But Milford will probably be the big gap in this grand plan. Maybe DelDOT could just bypass it way far south of Milford so they don't get a say in it and the NIMBYs don't get all angry.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on September 03, 2013, 09:46:51 AM
As I recall, it was NIMBYs that killed the Milford bypass options as well...DelDOT had studied several southern bypass options for tying 113 south of Milford into DE 1.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 03, 2013, 05:48:06 PM
As I recall, it was NIMBYs that killed the Milford bypass options as well...DelDOT had studied several southern bypass options for tying 113 south of Milford into DE 1.

Eventually traffic will get so bad through that stretch they'll HAVE to do something about it.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on September 04, 2013, 03:20:40 AM
Not necessarily.  Even if traffic becomes more congested, traffic will eventually reach an equilibrium.  With *NUMEROUS* examples both across the country and even within Delaware, even if "traffic gets bad", the powers-that-be may well just sit and not do anything about it.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 04, 2013, 06:26:41 AM
An example of that being various stretches of Kirkwood Highway during rush hour.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 04, 2013, 09:50:04 AM
Not necessarily.  Even if traffic becomes more congested, traffic will eventually reach an equilibrium.  With *NUMEROUS* examples both across the country and even within Delaware, even if "traffic gets bad", the powers-that-be may well just sit and not do anything about it.


It's not that they won't do anything about it, but they may be limited on their options.  Depending on how much they listen to the local residents and businesses, they may make small improvements.  But if residents don't want a bypass for whatever reason, DelDOT may be hesitant to spend the money when there are other issues statewide where the money can be spent.

The Kirkwood Hwy (the Concord Pike is another example) has been tinkered with over the years, but with businesses and parking lots up against the road, it gets trickier trying to widen it.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 07, 2013, 12:57:53 PM
I noticed DelDOT has gone ahead with truncating DE 2 to the intersection of Main Street in Newark.  Anyone have pics of the new DE 279 shields that should've been installed from this?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on September 09, 2013, 10:53:32 AM
After hearing this thread, I now understand why Delaware only has one interstate in one county and at less than 25 miles.  Obviously they hate freeways, and it was because of the heavy beach traffic on US 13 through New Castle and Northern Kent Counties that got the DE 1 Turnpike off the ground.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on September 10, 2013, 03:41:07 AM
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After hearing this thread, I now understand why Delaware only has one interstate in one county and at less than 25 miles.  Obviously they hate freeways, and it was because of the heavy beach traffic on US 13 through New Castle and Northern Kent Counties that got the DE 1 Turnpike off the ground.

It's moreso the fact that, when the Interstate system was designed and largely built, there was basically nothing in Delaware south of the C&D canal (excluding Dover proper and Dover AFB).  Yes, there was beach traffic, but not a whole lot and  Delaware had already largely 4-laned US 13, US 113, and DE 1 by the end of the 1950s so there wasn't a pressing need for a freeway route.  That has largely come within the past 20-30 years, well past the peak of the Interstate.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on September 13, 2013, 07:42:41 AM
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130913/NEWS1501/309130052/Christiana-residents-say-Del-1-ramp-plan-flawed

This does look worse in some ways than the previous proposal.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 13, 2013, 08:59:41 AM
I like the residents & politicians that complain about how these plans will destroy the 'historic' town...which is mostly made up of relatively newer homes.  If anything, wouldn't cutting access improve the historic area by limiting the amount of thru-traffic the town would see?

Here's a GM aerial shot of the area: http://goo.gl/maps/Bt6TS .  Zoom out to see the larger picture of what I'm talking about here.

Of the 4 ways to exit the town, 3 ultimately lead to DE 273 only.  Even if the intersection here is shut down, there are still 3 ways to exit the town: Via Old Baltimore Pike onto 273 (about 1/2 - 3/4 mile north of the intersection they want to close), towards a shopping center which leads onto 273, and then North on DE 7 towards an existing interchange with DE 1, which is near Christiana Mall.

So, I can see DelDOT's point of view - the intersection they want to close is mostly redundent.  It's the one furthest removed from the main part of town, and traffic can still access the 2 roadways. 

They can possibly eliminate one light at the interchange with DE 1 by creating a SPUI type intersection under Rt. 1, although it'll be a bit tight to wedge in as the interchange wasn't built for such a intersection.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 13, 2013, 06:40:31 PM
I personally think that DelDOT needs to find an alternative without cutting Main Street access.  Most other exits are congested, narrow, or empty out in bad places.  That, the presence of the fire department, and its flood emergency usage make it IMO un-removable.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on September 19, 2013, 02:47:27 PM
Meanwhile, downstate:

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130919/NEWS15/309190068/Residents-express-concerns-US-113-DelDOT-forum
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on September 19, 2013, 10:14:10 PM
Widening, lights, turn lanes planned in Del. 72 project (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130919/NEWS1501/309190047/Widening-lights-turn-lanes-planned-Del-72-project)

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The state Department of Transportation this month detailed plans to widen a mile-long section of Del. 72 at U.S. 40 by adding a through lane in both directions from Del Laws Road to GBC Drive. The $21-million project would include additional east- and westbound left-turn lanes along U.S. 40 at Del. 72.

DelDOT first proposed the safety and congestion fixes in 1999 but postponed plans in 2005 due to budget constraints. More recently, the intersection made the state’s 2011 list of high-crash sites with 89 collisions over three years.

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Construction would begin in late 2016 at the earliest...

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Other safety improvements include eliminating left turns onto Broadleaf Drive from northbound Del. 72 and prohibiting left turns from southern end of Fox Run Circle onto northbound Del. 72.

Plans also include a new signal at Wrangle Hill and Del Laws roads.

DelDOT estimates construction would take two years. The agency is accepting comments on the plans through Oct. 10.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on September 21, 2013, 03:12:04 AM
I personally think that DelDOT needs to find an alternative without cutting Main Street access.  Most other exits are congested, narrow, or empty out in bad places.  That, the presence of the fire department, and its flood emergency usage make it IMO un-removable.

This at least explains DelDOT's reasoning:

http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/sr1/sr1-wide/pdf/September12ChristianaMeeting_v5.pdf
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 21, 2013, 10:46:28 AM
I think they should upgrade the stretch of Old Baltimore Pike in between DE 273 and Christiana in conjunction with cutting most movements from Main Street.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 21, 2013, 01:45:21 PM
And in the long run, I think an interchange between Rte 273 and Old Baltimore Pike would help, in conjunction with widening both roads.

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2834/9858350596_9759d89d88_c.jpg)
I drew out DelDOTs current plans over at Rte 1 for reference.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 24, 2013, 09:25:45 PM
Some Wikipedia writer decided to write about the "I-99 Corridor" from Delaware to South Carolina using DE 1, US 13, and a few other routes.
According to the one source that the article mentioned (which was a report that Virginia did on the matter, which included responses from involved states), Delaware was the only one that seemed interested.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Interstate_Highways#Interstate_99_.28Delaware.E2.80.93South_Carolina.29
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on September 25, 2013, 09:06:22 AM
Del. 1 expansion may provide noise relief to some neighborhoods (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130925/NEWS/309250031/Del-1-expansion-may-provide-noise-relief-some-neighborhoods)

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Noise relief concessions could account for $10 million or more of the $180 million in costs to widen Del. 1 from Del. 273 to the Roth Bridge, highway officials said Tuesday night.

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The project would add one lane in each direction between Del. 273 and the south side of the & D Canal, with work starting with the northernmost — and oldest — two-lane section some time after 2015.

Plans call for a third lane each way between Del. 273 and Tybouts Corner, and a fourth lane each way between Tybouts and the south side of the Roth Bridge, along with reconstruction of four interchanges.

The Roth Bridge was designed to carry four lanes of traffic and will not require additional construction, only re-striping of the lanes, officials have said.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 25, 2013, 12:26:07 PM
Del. 1 expansion may provide noise relief to some neighborhoods (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130925/NEWS/309250031/Del-1-expansion-may-provide-noise-relief-some-neighborhoods)

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Noise relief concessions could account for $10 million or more of the $180 million in costs to widen Del. 1 from Del. 273 to the Roth Bridge, highway officials said Tuesday night.

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The project would add one lane in each direction between Del. 273 and the south side of the & D Canal, with work starting with the northernmost – and oldest – two-lane section some time after 2015.

Plans call for a third lane each way between Del. 273 and Tybouts Corner, and a fourth lane each way between Tybouts and the south side of the Roth Bridge, along with reconstruction of four interchanges.

The Roth Bridge was designed to carry four lanes of traffic and will not require additional construction, only re-striping of the lanes, officials have said.

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Highway officials have said the work is needed to ease traffic congestion, improve safety, provide for emergency needs and accommodate planned and anticipated development.

Except..."provide for emergency needs" would generally mean shoulders on the roadway.  By restriping the Roth bridge from 3 lanes to 4, they elimiinate the emergency access.  If they stripe the new left lane close to the left barrier, that'll at least an okay but less than standard right shoulder. If they restripe the bridge to provide equal left and right shoulder widths, it leaves no room for unimpeded vehicle access.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 25, 2013, 06:18:34 PM
So I drove home through the mall interchange today as they were hanging BGSs along the new northbound 1-95 ramp.  One had been hung and another was being assembled on the ground.  A crane was lifting an exit plate into place as I passed.
The sign that was up had a shield for I-95 north on top.  The rest of the sign was divided in half, the right had a sign declaring destinations for I-295, New York, and New Jersey.  The left had destinations listed as I-495, Wilmington, and Philly.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ChezeHed81 on September 29, 2013, 10:38:45 PM
Alex4897 was referring to this sign:
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3817/10011462335_78deaaf2dd_c.jpg)



(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7435/10011487435_5a0a3e989c_c.jpg)
Route 1 will have a new left exit, number 165 C, to I-95 northbound.  It will reduce the weaving conflict from mall traffic to Route 7 northbound and I-95 southbound versus Route 1 exiting traffic to I-95 northbound.  In effect, there will be 3 lanes of traffic exiting from Route 1 northbound to I-95 northbound instead of the current 1.  Exit 165 C's right lane and Exit 165 B will merge together before entering I-95 on the right side.  Exit 165 C's left lane will enter I-95 northbound on the left, taking over the left lane.  I-95 will retain 5 lanes through Churchman's Marsh.

Does anybody know why Exit 165 seems to be suffixed backwards?  As one travels northbound, the suffixes run C, B, then A.  Shouldn't A be the first suffix reached when traveling northbound?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 30, 2013, 07:58:12 AM
Yea, that's the sign I was referring to.

As for the exit numbers, I'm assuming it has to do with how everything was numbered before construction of the new interchange, although I never paid attention to exit suffixes so I can't attest to this.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on September 30, 2013, 08:29:46 AM
Alex4897 was referring to this sign:
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3817/10011462335_78deaaf2dd_c.jpg)

I guess DelDOT didn't get the memo prohibiting the use of state names as control destinations.  Although, IMHO, the use of such in this instance makes greater sense.

Granted, it could be argued that the use of New York could refer to NYC. 

Additionally, DelDOT aslo forgot about the only approved/recommended use of the Clearview font is for the control destinations and nothing else.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 30, 2013, 08:59:21 AM
I would've liked to see larger shields as well.  The lettering is nice and large, but the shields are more suited for a small, low speed roadway, not Rt. 1.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on September 30, 2013, 09:26:39 AM
Additionally, DelDOT aslo forgot about the only approved/recommended use of the Clearview font is for the control destinations and nothing else.

That's one thing they've never understood with Clearview.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on September 30, 2013, 02:59:02 PM
Additionally, DelDOT aslo forgot about the only approved/recommended use of the Clearview font is for the control destinations and nothing else.

That's one thing they've never understood with Clearview.
Maryland's the same way.  It seems as though DelDOT copied Maryland's specs. for Clearview applications and exit tab layouts.

I would've liked to see larger shields as well.  The lettering is nice and large, but the shields are more suited for a small, low speed roadway, not Rt. 1.
Agree.  One positive is at least the 3di-shields (the 3-di shields are using the correct FWHA series fonts (series C).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: OracleUsr on September 30, 2013, 06:18:27 PM
Additionally, DelDOT aslo forgot about the only approved/recommended use of the Clearview font is for the control destinations and nothing else.

That's one thing they've never understood with Clearview.

I still think Virginia's implementation at the Dulles Access/Toll Road is really butt-ugly.  Narrow tab, LEFT banner in Clearview...At least Delaware TRIED for MUTCD compliance.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 30, 2013, 07:55:58 PM
Additionally, DelDOT aslo forgot about the only approved/recommended use of the Clearview font is for the control destinations and nothing else.

That's one thing they've never understood with Clearview.

I still think Virginia's implementation at the Dulles Access/Toll Road is really butt-ugly.  Narrow tab, LEFT banner in Clearview...At least Delaware TRIED for MUTCD compliance.

Don't blame VDOT - both roads are under jurisdiction of the  Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority (MWAA).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Takumi on September 30, 2013, 11:20:27 PM
I still think Virginia's implementation of Clearview is really butt-ugly.  At least Delaware TRIED for MUTCD compliance.
Fixed.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on October 01, 2013, 12:51:15 AM
I disagree with Takumi's assessment.  I actually like how VDOT implemented Clearview on placename signs (http://www.vahighways.com/placenames/index.html).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Pilgrimway on October 01, 2013, 09:49:30 PM
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I guess DelDOT didn't get the memo prohibiting the use of state names as control destinations.  Although, IMHO, the use of such in this instance makes greater sense.

Granted, it could be argued that the use of New York could refer to NYC. 

"New Jersey" has been a control city for I295 as long as I can remember.  You'll also see "NJ/NY" as the control city for I295.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Takumi on October 01, 2013, 10:01:53 PM
I disagree with Takumi's assessment.  I actually like how VDOT implemented Clearview on placename signs (http://www.vahighways.com/placenames/index.html).
I'll admit it looks good on placename and distance signs, now that they're actually doing it mostly correctly. I still don't like when they use it for everything on overhead displays (even the exit tab) or on gore signs. It's the combination of the numbers and all caps that incenses me in those two cases.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on October 01, 2013, 10:23:20 PM
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I guess DelDOT didn't get the memo prohibiting the use of state names as control destinations.  Although, IMHO, the use of such in this instance makes greater sense.

Granted, it could be argued that the use of New York could refer to NYC. 

"New Jersey" has been a control city for I295 as long as I can remember.  You'll also see "NJ/NY" as the control city for I295.

New Jersey was the original control city for I295 on Deldot maintained signs until the late 80s when NJ-NY was introduced. DRBA signs were shifted to NJ-NY later.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on October 02, 2013, 08:29:38 AM
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I guess DelDOT didn't get the memo prohibiting the use of state names as control destinations.  Although, IMHO, the use of such in this instance makes greater sense.

Granted, it could be argued that the use of New York could refer to NYC. 

"New Jersey" has been a control city for I295 as long as I can remember.  You'll also see "NJ/NY" as the control city for I295.

New Jersey was the original control city for I295 on Deldot maintained signs until the late 80s when NJ-NY was introduced. DRBA signs were shifted to NJ-NY later.
Understood regarding the long-time usage of state names for control destinations on many highways (I-295 in DE included); but, many newer BGS replacements nationwide have eliminated such practices.

Examples of such phase-outs:

NH-Maine has been all but phased out in MA; yes, I'm aware of some leftover signage along I-90/Mass Pike still stating such (for its I-495 & I-95 exits) but from what I understand, those BGS' days are numbered.

Just west of Danbury to the NY State Line, all new BGS' for I-84 West now read Newburgh or Newburgh, NY rather than NY State.

Most newer BGS' for I-276 Eastbound in PA no longer read New Jersey; the newly erected gantry along I-476 north of the Mid-County interchange (Exit 20) being a recent exception.

Personally, I think the new policy is dumb and implementing such in some areas (I-276 in PA for example) doesn't always work; but that seems to be the trend.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 02, 2013, 10:01:32 PM
I guess DelDOT's removing the old small-green/yellow-light signals in Odessa along Rtes. 13/299. qq
(can't remember the name, are they eagle signals?)

http://deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=4907 (http://deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=4907)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on October 02, 2013, 10:33:49 PM
I guess DelDOT's removing the old small-green/yellow-light signals in Odessa along Rtes. 13/299. qq
(can't remember the name, are they eagle signals?)

http://deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=4907 (http://deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=4907)

Boo! Though most of the old signals there were already replaced. Took a photo of the one remaining old 12x8x8 Eagle in July at least...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 02, 2013, 10:41:28 PM
I know the ones scattered throughout Stanton are still there, although a bit needy looking.
I don't think they ever got upgraded to LEDs.

Ignore the apparent water on the lens or trigger happy google censorship:
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=39.714819,-75.640435&spn=0.0019,0.004128&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=39.714918,-75.641011&panoid=Xx2xk6jRtNGH2XuRHEYXrQ&cbp=12,155.36,,0,3.37 (https://www.google.com/maps?ll=39.714819,-75.640435&spn=0.0019,0.004128&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=39.714918,-75.641011&panoid=Xx2xk6jRtNGH2XuRHEYXrQ&cbp=12,155.36,,0,3.37)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on October 03, 2013, 12:18:41 AM
Or just ignore GSV all together and look at Ian's Flickr set of them  :)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/iccdude/sets/72157635006210646/
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 03, 2013, 07:16:09 AM
That works too.  :-D

Where are those u-turn signals that were in the bottom of the album?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on October 03, 2013, 08:34:58 AM
Where are those u-turn signals that were in the bottom of the album?
To the right of the photo in question, there's an EAST 92 reassurance sign just past the intersection; so it's along the stretch of DE 92 (Naaman's Road) between I-95 and US 202.

I find it interesting that his wallpaper banner for that page is a BGS gantry located in Peabody, Massachusetts.  I guess Flickr doesn't allow separate wallpaper banners for each page or it's too complicated to set up such.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on October 03, 2013, 10:58:25 AM
That works too.  :-D

Where are those u-turn signals that were in the bottom of the album?

Delaware 92 (Naaman's Road) at Shipley Road. Ian posted them on here as well at https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=8471.msg238575#msg238575
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 03, 2013, 04:30:49 PM
Where are those u-turn signals that were in the bottom of the album?
To the right of the photo in question, there's an EAST 92 reassurance sign just past the intersection; so it's along the stretch of DE 92 (Naaman's Road) between I-95 and US 202.

Oh duh.
Didn't see that.


Anyway, I just drove the DE 1 flyover for the first time.  One minute of pure roadgeeking beauty.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on October 03, 2013, 08:02:32 PM
Anyway, I just drove the DE 1 flyover for the first time.  One minute of pure roadgeeking beauty.

And yet somehow they built up the earth enough to prevent it from being an actual stack interchange.  :-/

I guess DelDOT's removing the old small-green/yellow-light signals in Odessa along Rtes. 13/299. qq
(can't remember the name, are they eagle signals?)

http://deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=4907 (http://deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=4907)

Boo! Though most of the old signals there were already replaced. Took a photo of the one remaining old 12x8x8 Eagle in July at least...

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/odessa_eagle_signals.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/odessa_eagle_signals.jpg)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 03, 2013, 08:15:12 PM
And yet somehow they built up the earth enough to prevent it from being an actual stack interchange.  :-/

That would've been more impressive, but they were probably pushing the budget anyway.  Although not particularly visible from the bridge, you can tell where the ground section is by the sound of the concrete.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 08, 2013, 06:31:40 PM
Drove the length of "DE 279" after a soccer game, there is no mention of the new state route at all.

I raged.


Anyway, DelDOT announced the opening of the last huge piece of the mall interchange.  The only things left to my knowledge are that seemingly redundant new ramp from A Road west to Rte. 1/7 north, repaving stuff, and the cattle chute removal.

http://deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=4916 (http://deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=4916)


editted to combine posts after off topic autocorrect tangeant
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on October 09, 2013, 11:55:24 AM
Adding to the Newark sign changes, I received an email from Bob today confirming that DE 2 ends at DE 273 (East Main Street) now:

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I went to downtown Newark and noticed that DE-2 now ends at 273 and all traces of Business 2 are gone. I didn't go down Elkton Road (excuse me, its now South Main Street) to see if DE-279 has been born but I imagine it is.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 09, 2013, 03:09:30 PM
Adding to the Newark sign changes, I received an email from Bob today confirming that DE 2 ends at DE 273 (East Main Street) now:

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I went to downtown Newark and noticed that DE-2 now ends at 273 and all traces of Business 2 are gone. I didn't go down Elkton Road (excuse me, its now South Main Street) to see if DE-279 has been born but I imagine it is.

DE 279 is not signed yet, all changes concerning the removal of DE 2 are done except the changing of the sign bridge on Library Ave. referring to DE BUS 2.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 16, 2013, 12:35:35 PM
Today was a bit of a nightmare of a morning commute.  :crazy:

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20131016/NEWS15/310160051/Del-896-reopened-after-tractor-trailer-crash-cleared (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20131016/NEWS15/310160051/Del-896-reopened-after-tractor-trailer-crash-cleared)
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20131016/NEWS15/310160010/Northbound-US-13-closed-at-St-Georges-Bridge (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20131016/NEWS15/310160010/Northbound-US-13-closed-at-St-Georges-Bridge)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 17, 2013, 12:30:31 PM
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20131017/NEWS15/310170072/New-ramp-from-Del-1-NB-95-opens?nclick_check=1 (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20131017/NEWS15/310170072/New-ramp-from-Del-1-NB-95-opens?nclick_check=1)

New ramp on DE 1 opened about an hour ago.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on October 17, 2013, 02:35:33 PM
Today was a bit of a nightmare of a morning commute.  :crazy:

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20131016/NEWS15/310160051/Del-896-reopened-after-tractor-trailer-crash-cleared (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20131016/NEWS15/310160051/Del-896-reopened-after-tractor-trailer-crash-cleared)
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20131016/NEWS15/310160010/Northbound-US-13-closed-at-St-Georges-Bridge (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20131016/NEWS15/310160010/Northbound-US-13-closed-at-St-Georges-Bridge)

Two of my co-workers took the back way up (at least one via DE 9 over Reedy Point).  A third was about to turn east on US 40 from DE 7 northbound (as an alternative to DE 1) when he was rear-ended.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on October 27, 2013, 08:31:34 PM
All I know is that I'm still processing ROW takings for it.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on November 06, 2013, 10:49:15 AM
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20131106/NEWS02/311060039/Kent-lawmakers-press-Del-1-interchange-feed-sports-complex
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on November 06, 2013, 11:37:44 AM
I don't see a problem with delaying that interchange.  Plenty of other locations along DE 1 that are higher priority for improvements.  Of those already within the pipeline:  new interchanges at Little Heaven and on the northeast side of Milford (near Royal Farms).  Could also see an interchange on DE 1 at DE 16, though I'm not finding anything on DelDOT's website.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on November 06, 2013, 01:20:45 PM
Relevant because of the potential connection between Churchmans Road and Delaware 1:

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20131106/BUSINESS12/311060073/Cavaliers-Country-Club-sell-half-land?gcheck=1
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on November 06, 2013, 04:01:56 PM
Relevant because of the potential connection between Churchmans Road and Delaware 1:

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20131106/BUSINESS12/311060073/Cavaliers-Country-Club-sell-half-land?gcheck=1

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The parcel — which is the course’s western section and back nine holes — will require a variety of approvals from New Castle County and might need to be rezoned before any development takes place, a process that could take three to five years, Carucci said.

I am sure this process will be streamlined, because that area is in dire need of more retail and traffic!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on November 06, 2013, 09:16:03 PM
I don't see a problem with delaying that interchange.  Plenty of other locations along DE 1 that are higher priority for improvements.  Of those already within the pipeline:  new interchanges at Little Heaven and on the northeast side of Milford (near Royal Farms).  Could also see an interchange on DE 1 at DE 16, though I'm not finding anything on DelDOT's website.

DE 1 and DE 16 is actually mentioned in the latest Capital Transportation Program.  They mention building a diamond interchange.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 06, 2013, 11:16:17 PM
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20131106/NEWS02/311060039/Kent-lawmakers-press-Del-1-interchange-feed-sports-complex

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For the facility, Kent County donated 85 acres of farmland east of Del. 1 near the intersection of Milford Neck and Tub Mill Pond roads. The latest plans call for 12 synthetic turf fields; a grandstand seating 1,500; and 900 parking spaces.

Building an entire interchange for a sports complex with 900 parking spots?  As a comparison - the Christiana Mall has 6,000 parking spots!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on November 06, 2013, 11:22:16 PM
Relevant because of the potential connection between Churchmans Road and Delaware 1:

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20131106/BUSINESS12/311060073/Cavaliers-Country-Club-sell-half-land?gcheck=1

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The parcel — which is the course’s western section and back nine holes — will require a variety of approvals from New Castle County and might need to be rezoned before any development takes place, a process that could take three to five years, Carucci said.

I am sure this process will be streamlined, because that area is in dire need of more retail and traffic!

The state does own the land south of Cavaliers and east of the Centre Boulevard big boxes.  They could easily tie a road in that would start south of H H Gregg and run east of it and Costco without having to condemn property.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on November 07, 2013, 03:24:15 PM
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Building an entire interchange for a sports complex with 900 parking spots?  As a comparison - the Christiana Mall has 6,000 parking spots!

To be fair, the interchange in question also replaces the at-grade intersection at the south end of the Frederica "bypass".  But as I noted earlier, there are several other projects that should be higher priority.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on November 07, 2013, 04:07:44 PM
I think the Thompsonville one should be a priority considering the mess the light there makes during the summer season. 
Then the Little Heaven/Barrats Chapel Road interchanges should be next to finally open up Little Heaven for more development, the properties flanking the current road are all either taken by the state or run down.  If the interchange gets built then hopefully Little Heaven will be a safer and easier place to stop off for gas and whatnot.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on November 07, 2013, 04:10:12 PM
I'm more partial to Little Heaven...the signals there hang me up much moreso than the signal at Thompsonville.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: KEVIN_224 on November 14, 2013, 05:36:54 PM
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20131114/NEWS15/311140057/I-95-Delaware-linked-East-Coast-divided-city-Wilmington

Pretty good read here. Just had that eerie feeling that President Kennedy dedicated the Turnpike only 9 days before his assassination. :(
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on November 15, 2013, 07:15:46 AM
They have a gallery of construction pictures from the '60s, half of the pictures didn't display for me for some reason but the ones that did were pretty cool.

http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=BL&Dato=20131114&Kategori=PHOTOS01&Lopenr=311140107&Ref=PH/The-construction-95?odyssey=mod%7Cdefcon%7Cimg%7CHome&nclick_check=1 (http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=BL&Dato=20131114&Kategori=PHOTOS01&Lopenr=311140107&Ref=PH/The-construction-95?odyssey=mod%7Cdefcon%7Cimg%7CHome&nclick_check=1)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 15, 2013, 11:03:03 AM
They have a gallery of construction pictures from the '60s, half of the pictures didn't display for me for some reason but the ones that did were pretty cool.

http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=BL&Dato=20131114&Kategori=PHOTOS01&Lopenr=311140107&Ref=PH/The-construction-95?odyssey=mod%7Cdefcon%7Cimg%7CHome&nclick_check=1 (http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=BL&Dato=20131114&Kategori=PHOTOS01&Lopenr=311140107&Ref=PH/The-construction-95?odyssey=mod%7Cdefcon%7Cimg%7CHome&nclick_check=1)

They seem to render for me ... but they do so s-l-o-w-l-y for some reason.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: KEVIN_224 on November 15, 2013, 11:49:54 AM
The same thing happened here, too. Maybe it's because I haven't been on that Turnpike since 2004? Ha ha! :)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 03, 2013, 12:30:15 PM
Article on  the current status of the US 113 bypass:

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20131203/NEWS/312030050/Lawmakers-push-changes-DelDOT-s-US-113-bypass-plan (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20131203/NEWS/312030050/Lawmakers-push-changes-DelDOT-s-US-113-bypass-plan)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on December 03, 2013, 12:43:50 PM
Article on  the current status of the US 113 bypass:

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20131203/NEWS/312030050/Lawmakers-push-changes-DelDOT-s-US-113-bypass-plan (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20131203/NEWS/312030050/Lawmakers-push-changes-DelDOT-s-US-113-bypass-plan)

Anything worth reading there? I don't want to click to use up one of my few "free" articles for something that is just going to be more of the same (bypass downgraded, delayed, or likely cancelled IOW).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on December 03, 2013, 01:19:39 PM
Relevant quotes from the article:

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Sussex County lawmakers on Monday pressed DelDOT to rework and step up efforts to develop a northeast bypass around Millsboro, while stressing continuing opposition to the agency’s preferred alignment for a longer U.S. 113 replacement road.

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DelDOT’s draft environmental impact statement for the $839 million, 16.9-mile Millsboro-South portion of the U.S. 113 relief project would link the highway north of town to Delaware 24 on the east, then continue south to the Maryland line along a new alignment east of Frankford and Dagsboro.

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Sussex lawmakers have threatened to block money for the work, however, citing opposition among residents and communities south of Millsboro where support for widening the existing road is greater.

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Legislators and some residents and businesses urged the state to consider Millsboro’s congestion problem separately, and revise its preferred design in a way that pushes the bypass north, away from Millsboro Pond and residential areas. That alignment would cut partly across the protected Doe Run Nature Preserve, an area that state environmental officials say contains rare habitat and endangered species.

DelDOT Secretary Shailen Bhatt said federal agencies usually press highway departments to avoid environmentally sensitive habitats and wetlands whenever alternatives are available. Crossing a portion of the 180-acre Doe Run tract could, in addition, require approval from the full General Assembly.

To summarize the rest of the article:  pretty much everyone quoted agrees that something needs to be done...they just oppose the new alignment south of Millsboro and/or the routing of the Millsboro bypass over the pond.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 03, 2013, 05:38:38 PM
Article on  the current status of the US 113 bypass:

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20131203/NEWS/312030050/Lawmakers-push-changes-DelDOT-s-US-113-bypass-plan (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20131203/NEWS/312030050/Lawmakers-push-changes-DelDOT-s-US-113-bypass-plan)

Anything worth reading there? I don't want to click to use up one of my few "free" articles for something that is just going to be more of the same (bypass downgraded, delayed, or likely cancelled IOW).

What froggie said.  Also you can get around the pay wall by having your browser delete delaware online's cookies upon closing the browser.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on December 12, 2013, 09:48:06 AM
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20131212/NEWS1501/312120026/State-wants-widen-US-13-from-Dover-Woodside

(http://doverkentmpo.delaware.gov/files/2013/11/US-13-Expansion.jpg)

(http://doverkentmpo.delaware.gov/files/2013/11/DE-8-Recommendations.jpg)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 19, 2013, 12:59:37 PM
DelDOT replaced some of the BGSs along DE 1 approaching the US 40 interchange.  They now include relevant control cities (Glasgow and Bear) as opposed to the unknown or distant places previously mentioned (State Road and Elkton).  Its also in Clearview.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 19, 2013, 01:54:43 PM
DelDOT replaced some of the BGSs along DE 1 approaching the US 40 interchange.  They now include relevant control cities (Glasgow and Bear) as opposed to the unknown or distant places previously mentioned (State Road and Elkton).  Its also in Clearview.

State Road doesn't even exist as far as I know. US 40's street name is Pulaski Hwy.

It takes a close eye or a good feel for distances, but the 1 Mile advanced BGS for US 40 on DE 1 South is set at 1.2 miles in advance...or 2 km; with metric being the original method for distance on this road (in which case the sign would've read 2 km ahead).  Surprisingly, this is one of the very few instances where this occurs along DE 1.  Even the 1/2 mile BGS is a true 1/2 mile from the interchange.

I would normally chalk this one up to a location issue where they couldn't set the sign at the perfect 1 mile spot, but the perfect 1 mile spot is an even better location than the spot where the sign is currently located (which is at the accel lane merge point where traffic enters from 273).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NE2 on December 19, 2013, 02:53:44 PM
State Road doesn't even exist as far as I know. US 40's street name is Pulaski Hwy.
State Road is a place, not a road.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 19, 2013, 10:59:56 PM
State Road doesn't even exist as far as I know. US 40's street name is Pulaski Hwy.
State Road is a place, not a road.
An obscure place in Bear's shadow at that
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NJRoadfan on December 21, 2013, 12:18:40 AM
Maybe they were referring to Dupont Parkway? Was it originally called State Road? There is an Old State Rd. near the intersection of US-40 and US-13 that looks like a bypassed section of roadway. It still makes no sense though since the previous exit was for US-13!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NE2 on December 21, 2013, 01:07:05 AM
The name 'State Road' was in use for the location by 1889 (http://cartweb.geography.ua.edu/lizardtech/iserv/calcrgn?cat=North%20America%20and%20United%20States&item=States/Maryland/Maryland1889b.sid&wid=500&hei=400&props=item%28Name,Description%29,cat%28Name,Description%29&style=simple/view-dhtml.xsl). It may have been named by the railroad for the place where it crossed Delaware's main north-south state road:
http://books.google.com/books?id=eBlLAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA351&dq=%22state+road%22
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZudZAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA107&dq=%22state+road%22
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on December 22, 2013, 04:41:00 PM
Heading north on Friday, noticed that the ramps at the new DE 1/DE 30 interchange are now open on both sides.  The bridge over DE 1 at Wilkins Rd, however, is still under construction and looks like it'll still be a few months before it's completed.  Also of note, the guide signage for the northbound exit is completely empty...it's just a green blank.  My guess is due to the bridge still being built.  Southbound exit is signed as DE 30.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NE2 on December 22, 2013, 05:00:13 PM
Is there a canonical route between the Bay Bridge and Dover? Signs in both directions route you via MD 302/MD 454/DE 8, which is about a mile longer than the Goog's recommended shortest, and includes a potentially dangerous left turn onto US 301, but is this the best route, or do locals have another preference?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on December 22, 2013, 05:03:35 PM
Speaking from experience, there are several different locations along US 13 and US 113 (admittedly no longer in Dover) that have Bay Bridge trailblazers.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 22, 2013, 09:45:14 PM
Heading north on Friday, noticed that the ramps at the new DE 1/DE 30 interchange are now open on both sides.  The bridge over DE 1 at Wilkins Rd, however, is still under construction and looks like it'll still be a few months before it's completed.  Also of note, the guide signage for the northbound exit is completely empty...it's just a green blank.  My guess is due to the bridge still being built.  Southbound exit is signed as DE 30.

The ramps have been completed at least for a few months now, they were progressively opening them over the summer.  I was a bit disappointed to see that they hadn't assigned exit numbers to the interchange, but I guess it's still possible given the unfinished nature of the project.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on January 13, 2014, 10:47:10 AM
Been this way for decades and no attempts have been made to deal with it and based upon what the article reads, its still a long way off before it is ever dealt with.

Fix It: Bottleneck on Christina Parkway (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20140113/NEWS18/301130035/Fix-Bottleneck-Christina-Parkway)

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The location of the problem is the Christina Parkway, that stretch of newer road between Elkton Road and South College Avenue that joins Chestnut Hill Road. It is designated as both Del. 4 and Del. 896.

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A capital improvement project is in DelDOT’s current Capital Transportation Program to reconstruct Del. 4 to provide the consistent two lanes heading eastbound.

Design is currently underway, said department spokeswoman Sandy Roumillat. Funding for the construction, however, is four to five years out under current plans, she said.

She added restriping is not a recommended solution.

“We are not certain that the existing shoulder, which would become a travel lane, could handle increased traffic loads,”  she said.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Mapmikey on January 18, 2014, 10:10:21 PM
While completing Delaware's Primary System today I wandered by DE 279.

It is still not posted...

Mapmikey
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jp the roadgeek on January 19, 2014, 01:29:40 AM
Been this way for decades and no attempts have been made to deal with it and based upon what the article reads, its still a long way off before it is ever dealt with.

Fix It: Bottleneck on Christina Parkway (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20140113/NEWS18/301130035/Fix-Bottleneck-Christina-Parkway)

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The location of the problem is the Christina Parkway, that stretch of newer road between Elkton Road and South College Avenue that joins Chestnut Hill Road. It is designated as both Del. 4 and Del. 896.

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A capital improvement project is in DelDOT’s current Capital Transportation Program to reconstruct Del. 4 to provide the consistent two lanes heading eastbound.

Design is currently underway, said department spokeswoman Sandy Roumillat. Funding for the construction, however, is four to five years out under current plans, she said.

She added restriping is not a recommended solution.

“We are not certain that the existing shoulder, which would become a travel lane, could handle increased traffic loads,”  she said.

Remove the tolls on I-95. PROBLEM SOLVED.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on January 19, 2014, 08:23:49 AM
I noticed the other day that the sign bridge on DE 72 near DE 273 got a partial facelift, the left most sign now reflects the removal of BUS 2 and I think they added a destination.  The right one also looked like it got a facelift, but no information changes to it.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on January 29, 2014, 01:16:09 PM
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20140129/NEWS02/301290066/Markell-seek-10-cent-hike-gas-tax-source-says

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Gov. Jack Markell is seeking a 10-cent increase in Delaware’s gas tax and borrowing $50 million more a year to fund a $500 million, five-year proposal to improve roads and bridges statewide.  The proposals were announced today during a press conference Markell held to outline his infrastructure plan. The new tax and debt would generate about $100 million a year to fund the plan.  The Legislature must approve the proposals.

Delawareans now pay 23 cents in state gas tax. A 10-cent increase is expected to generate about $50 million a year.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 29, 2014, 03:13:50 PM
Been this way for decades and no attempts have been made to deal with it and based upon what the article reads, its still a long way off before it is ever dealt with.

Fix It: Bottleneck on Christina Parkway (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20140113/NEWS18/301130035/Fix-Bottleneck-Christina-Parkway)

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The location of the problem is the Christina Parkway, that stretch of newer road between Elkton Road and South College Avenue that joins Chestnut Hill Road. It is designated as both Del. 4 and Del. 896.

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A capital improvement project is in DelDOT’s current Capital Transportation Program to reconstruct Del. 4 to provide the consistent two lanes heading eastbound.

Design is currently underway, said department spokeswoman Sandy Roumillat. Funding for the construction, however, is four to five years out under current plans, she said.

She added restriping is not a recommended solution.

"We are not certain that the existing shoulder, which would become a travel lane, could handle increased traffic loads,” she said.

Remove the tolls on I-95. PROBLEM SOLVED.

I'm guessing you don't know where this stretch of roadway is located.  It's not a shunpike route.  I would say it's quite heavily used by local residents going to work or the University of Delaware.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NJRoadfan on January 29, 2014, 03:38:55 PM
Christina Parkway is one of the better known shunpikes of the Delaware toll.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 29, 2014, 03:55:20 PM
But why the stretch of roadway where it narrows down to one lane, which takes one thru the congested U of D area?  A quicker, higher speed shunpike would be Exiting I-95 at Exit 3 to 273 to 4, then turning left onto what becomes 279 in Maryland.

Or, just take Exit 1 off of I-95 in Delaware?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NJRoadfan on January 29, 2014, 06:44:00 PM
Christina Parkway is DE-4 and all the shunpikes utilize Exit 1. The section of road in question: http://goo.gl/maps/KU0d2
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 30, 2014, 01:38:04 PM
Nevermind...I see where they are referring to.  I was thinking another area.  My bad.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on April 06, 2014, 05:16:28 PM
Roundabout proposed on Del. 7 in Christiana (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/traffic/burke/2014/04/06/roundabout-proposed-del-christiana/7387799/)

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Instead of creating a dead-end, the state would install a roundabout along Del. 7/East Main Street just north of Del. 273 in Christiana — an alternative that would retain full access to the village and address safety concerns at the intersection, officials say.

This proposal adds a roundabout joining a new off-ramp from DE 1 south to DE 7, north of the DE 7 intersection with DE 273. Plans are here: http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/sr1/sr1-wide/pdf/Rte273_Int_Roundabout_Day_Care.pdf
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 14, 2014, 12:02:53 AM
I'm normally pretty skeptical about the construction of any new roundabouts/traffic circles, but this looks kind of interesting.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on May 14, 2014, 07:47:25 PM
The traffic piles up on the DE 1 S - DE 273 ramp during the evening rush hour though.  Even if these Newtown Road/DE 7 ramps get built, I don't see the roundabout as a good idea.  At the very least, it's a step in the right direction for the people who live in Christiana.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on May 20, 2014, 11:10:54 PM
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/traffic/2014/05/20/truck-carrying-bees-overturns-on-95-on-ramp/9348173/ (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/traffic/2014/05/20/truck-carrying-bees-overturns-on-95-on-ramp/9348173/)

nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Zeffy on May 20, 2014, 11:24:03 PM
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/traffic/2014/05/20/truck-carrying-bees-overturns-on-95-on-ramp/9348173/ (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/traffic/2014/05/20/truck-carrying-bees-overturns-on-95-on-ramp/9348173/)

nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope

Great, I'm going to have absolute nightmares about that for days now.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on May 20, 2014, 11:51:25 PM
I saw the headline and one photo of the empty, overturned truck. I'm clicking on absolutely nothing related to this story ever.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Zeffy on May 21, 2014, 12:07:44 AM
I saw the headline and one photo of the empty, overturned truck. I'm clicking on absolutely nothing related to this story ever.

I'm already recovering from a wasp in my house that made me almost shit myself when I heard it buzzing above me. I've never jumped so high in my life and ran so fast to avoid the fucker. Good thing I killed it with canned air.

Moral of the story: Fuck stinging insects. I get it they are valuable for the ecosystem and pollination and whatnot, but I will not hesitate to kill any of them inside my personal domain if they dare trespass.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 21, 2014, 08:48:40 AM
And that wasn't the only truck accident that day:  http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/traffic/2014/05/20/crash-causes-delays-on-del-1-near-95/9333925/

In this one, the truck was hauling a power substation which was completely destroyed when it hit the overpass. 

The truck had an 'Oversized Load' banner.  And from what I remember there's no clearance plate on that overpass, so it's at least 14'6". 

Something must've gone terrible wrong for this truck to go the distance it went, not hit anything, and then suddenly hit this overpass.

Luckily they determined the overpass was OK.  It appears to have hit the 95 NB Overpass, which is not one of the new ones in this recently reconstructed interchange.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on May 21, 2014, 04:53:38 PM
And that wasn't the only truck accident that day:  http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/traffic/2014/05/20/crash-causes-delays-on-del-1-near-95/9333925/

In this one, the truck was hauling a power substation which was completely destroyed when it hit the overpass. 

The truck had an 'Oversized Load' banner.  And from what I remember there's no clearance plate on that overpass, so it's at least 14'6". 

Something must've gone terrible wrong for this truck to go the distance it went, not hit anything, and then suddenly hit this overpass.

Luckily they determined the overpass was OK.  It appears to have hit the 95 NB Overpass, which is not one of the new ones in this recently reconstructed interchange.

No one bothered to post a message board pertaining to the wreck two or so hours after it happened, so I ended up getting forced onto I-95 North via the new flyovers and having to turn around at DE 141.

The overpass never had a clearance sign on it, but luckily the only damage that's obvious is that the front most steel girder has a small dent in it.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 24, 2014, 08:08:35 PM

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7414/9604424885_b4145120db_z.jpg)
I it looks like a "cover-up"...  APL arrows overlaid on existing pull-through


That sign is now this...

(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd144/roadnut/5AAB51B1-C88C-484E-BFCA-E0B29C76BF65.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/roadnut/media/5AAB51B1-C88C-484E-BFCA-E0B29C76BF65.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on August 24, 2014, 10:47:35 PM
Ah they finally fixed that?  I was beginning to worry that they were just going to leave it like that permanently!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on August 25, 2014, 11:09:57 AM

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7414/9604424885_b4145120db_z.jpg)
I it looks like a "cover-up"...  APL arrows overlaid on existing pull-through


That sign is now this...

(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd144/roadnut/5AAB51B1-C88C-484E-BFCA-E0B29C76BF65.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/roadnut/media/5AAB51B1-C88C-484E-BFCA-E0B29C76BF65.jpg.html)
Is it me or do those shields look smaller in the newer BGS'?  I prefer the shield sizes (& direction cardinal sizes) on the older BGS'.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 01, 2014, 11:03:14 PM
So I was screwing around on Historic Aerials the other day and found a few things relating back to DE 1's construction that were interesting.

(http://i.imgur.com/1YRBbye.png)
The first was a traffic light at the Christiana Mall that appears to be on the mainline.  I knew this configuration existed prior to noticing it on HA, but it reignited curiosity as to what this actually looked like.  Does anyone of pictures of this old setup, from satellite or from the ground?

(http://i.imgur.com/LtDLliO.png)
The second appears to be either early plans for the Tybouts Corner interchange, or an early configuration of it.  Was the access ramp to DE 1 north ever that far back?  A quick glance at Google Maps shows what appears to be grading for this supposed ramp.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on September 02, 2014, 11:34:20 AM
So I was screwing around on Historic Aerials the other day and found a few things relating back to DE 1's construction that were interesting.

(http://i.imgur.com/1YRBbye.png)
The first was a traffic light at the Christiana Mall that appears to be on the mainline.  I knew this configuration existed prior to noticing it on HA, but it reignited curiosity as to what this actually looked like.  Does anyone of pictures of this old setup, from satellite or from the ground?


Yes, their was a traffic light, but to see where it was, you need to look at an older quad. It was where the loop ramp to the Mall met the roadway leading east:

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/de-001_007_1987_quad.jpg)

I recall the signal very well. It was a set of span-wire strung Econolite signals. If you took the loop ramp to Christiana Mall from DE 7 southbound, you just avoided them. I may have a glimpse of them on one of my old road videos.

Looking at the quad you posted, the ramps leading east were removed when construction was underway, so there never was a traffic light on the eventual DE 1 mainline:

(https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/vidcaps/de-001_nb_exit_164b_03.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/LtDLliO.png)
The second appears to be either early plans for the Tybouts Corner interchange, or an early configuration of it.  Was the access ramp to DE 1 north ever that far back?  A quick glance at Google Maps shows what appears to be grading for this supposed ramp.

Not familiar with that ramp movement, but I see the grading you mention in the 1992 aerials of the interchange. Must have been an earlier proposal. It makes sense to have the on-ramp to the west, as it serves US 13 southbound better than a left-hand turn onto Hamburg Road would have.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 02, 2014, 06:32:56 PM
delaware.newszap.com:  Some motorists using alternate routes to avoid tolls, save money (http://delaware.newszap.com/centraldelaware/134647-70/some-motorists-using-alternate-routes-to-avoid-tolls-save-money)

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DOVER – To pay the toll or not to pay the toll?

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That is the question.

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It’s a question motorists are pondering more after weekend tolls increased a month ago on Del 1.

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Starting Aug 1, the state increased the weekend rate from $2 to $3 for all vehicle classes, except oversized loads, from 7 p.m. Friday to 11 p.m. Sunday.

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Weekday and ramp tolls in Smyrna and Dover didn’t change. But Delaware officials announced a $1 increase at the highway’s main plazas in June when it appeared the General Assembly wouldn’t consider the governor’s proposed 10-cents per gallon gasoline tax hike.

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The toll increase is anticipated to net the state another $10 million. That money will be combined with $20 million in borrowing this fiscal year to fund statewide paving and transportation projects, officials said.

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So, more motorists are looking for alternate routes – on “free”  roads – to avoid paying those tolls.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on September 02, 2014, 07:57:43 PM
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So, more motorists are looking for alternate routes – on “free”  roads – to avoid paying those tolls.
Road, singular - US 13 is just fine.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 02, 2014, 09:16:06 PM
Must have been an earlier proposal. It makes sense to have the on-ramp to the west, as it serves US 13 southbound better than a left-hand turn onto Hamburg Road would have.

True, although personally I'd prefer the one on the east because I typically use that movement when coming from Red Lion Road or Hamburg Road.  The light cycle at US 13 / Hamburg Road is an absolute pain at any given time.

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So, more motorists are looking for alternate routes – on “free”  roads – to avoid paying those tolls.
Road, singular - US 13 is just fine.
My family has taken to skipping the Biddles Corner toll plaza by exiting/reentering at the exits on either side of the toll.  Doing that for a round trip saves us about $10 when we take two cars.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 02, 2014, 10:35:21 PM
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So, more motorists are looking for alternate routes – on “free”  roads – to avoid paying those tolls.
Road, singular - US 13 is just fine.

For shunpiking the barrier just south of the C&D Canal bridge, I agree.

But for shunpiking the barrier at Dover, U.S. 13 is one alternative.  But for northbound Del. 1. movements, Del. 9 (turn right just before DAFB) might be a better alternative.

Your  mileage may vary.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on September 08, 2014, 05:59:16 PM
So now DE Shunpiking isn't just for the Newark Plaza ($4 each way w/no E-Z Pass discounts) along I-95 anymore.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: KEVIN_224 on September 09, 2014, 11:04:09 AM
How does one shunpike that toll? Take MD Exit 109 for MD (and DE) Route 279 North and then onto DE 4/896 South (College Ave)? :P
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on September 09, 2014, 02:33:56 PM
How does one shunpike that toll? Take MD Exit 109 for MD (and DE) Route 279 North and then onto DE 4/896 South (College Ave)? :P
Precisely!  I've done such for many years.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 15, 2014, 07:09:51 PM
Could this be the first recognition of DE 279 by DelDOT?

(http://i.imgur.com/eCAjEh4h.jpg)

This is northbound on Elkton Road at Christiana Pkwy, if you couldn't tell from the picture.

Sorry for the bad quality, I had to use a friend's phone because my phone's camera went kaput, and I chose a bad spot on the bus to get a good shot.  If anyone else wants to get a better shot of this then please do so.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: KEVIN_224 on September 15, 2014, 07:45:04 PM
Damn! I went past that spot in mid-June and don't remember seeing that assembly. I was with a friend heading northeast from the Motel 6 in Elkton, MD and turned there, going over I-95 and past U of DE. The only sign pic I took near there was the big blue welcome sign at the state line.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on September 15, 2014, 07:57:17 PM
Could this be the first recognition of DE 279 by DelDOT?

<snip>

This is northbound on Elkton Road at Christiana Pkwy, if you couldn't tell from the picture.

Sorry for the bad quality, I had to use a friend's phone because my phone's camera went kaput, and I chose a bad spot on the bus to get a good shot.  If anyone else wants to get a better shot of this then please do so.

MDRoads photographed end and begin shields for DE 279 back in March. I'll be checking it out later on this month when I am back in Newark.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Laura on September 15, 2014, 11:28:16 PM
Could this be the first recognition of DE 279 by DelDOT?

<snip>

This is northbound on Elkton Road at Christiana Pkwy, if you couldn't tell from the picture.

Sorry for the bad quality, I had to use a friend's phone because my phone's camera went kaput, and I chose a bad spot on the bus to get a good shot.  If anyone else wants to get a better shot of this then please do so.

MDRoads photographed end and begin shields for DE 279 back in March. I'll be checking it out later on this month when I am back in Newark.

Haha, yep. I was present but asleep at the time ;)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NJRoadfan on September 15, 2014, 11:54:35 PM
I spotted the BEGIN DE-279 on the MD line back in June. There was no END sign going south though.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on September 17, 2014, 05:48:26 PM
I spotted the BEGIN DE-279 on the MD line back in June. There was no END sign going south though.
The only END sign is NB, and I saw that many months ago.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 22, 2014, 07:02:12 PM
I'm surprised no one mentioned this yet:

http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/2014/09/21/bus-overturns-del-red-lion-road-exit/16015463/ (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/2014/09/21/bus-overturns-del-red-lion-road-exit/16015463/)

A tour bus en route to New York coming from DC flipped on the loop ramp in the DE 1 Tybouts Corner interchange.  (DE 1 S -> US 13 N)   The wreck occurred at 4:20 PM yesterday, has claimed 2 lives so far, and has prompted a potentially year-long investigation by the NTSB.

One thing that makes me curious is why the bus made such a detour onto DE 1, when it could've just stayed on I-95.  PM rush tends to back up DE 1 S, and I'd imagine US 13/40 is a parking lot at this time of day.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 23, 2014, 09:07:51 AM
The accident occurred on a September Sunday, so it wouldn't have been affected by rush hour traffic or beach traffic.

The only legit theory is that the bus driver was seriously lost. Maybe his directions had him picking up US 1 in PA or NJ, and he saw DE 1 in Delaware first. Still not a direct route to NYC, but it's the only thing I could think of for turning off of 95 in Delaware.

I don't take that ramp often so I don't exactly recall the signage for advisory limits, but the driver obviously wasn't taking any precautions approaching this curve.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 23, 2014, 11:26:47 PM
I don't take that ramp often so I don't exactly recall the signage for advisory limits, but the driver obviously wasn't taking any precautions approaching this curve.

I don't seem to remember a large amount of signage warning of the loop.  I take the exit for Red Lion Rd. everyday and there's nothing that's visible from that exit.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 24, 2014, 06:18:48 AM
I don't take that ramp often so I don't exactly recall the signage for advisory limits, but the driver obviously wasn't taking any precautions approaching this curve.

I don't seem to remember a large amount of signage warning of the loop.  I take the exit for Red Lion Rd. everyday and there's nothing that's visible from that exit.

Looking at the GSVs (taken in 2013 & 2012), you're right...there are no advisory limits whatsoever for those ramps there.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on September 26, 2014, 02:24:52 PM
Just drove Delaware 279. It only gets three shields in total (two begin and one end) and no shielding at DE 4 and 896. No shields posted on Otts Chapel Road north either, they just removed the DE 2 shields instead. The last westbound shield ahead of the state line was not retained either.

Will drive former Delaware 2 Business this weekend and see what other nonsense I can find. Will post some pics later.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on September 29, 2014, 05:43:42 PM
Drove all around Newark the last three days and can confirm all references along the former mainline of business loop of Delaware 2 are gone. Side streets in Newark still retain DE 2 shields however,  predating the business loop no less, on Academy St,  Chapel St and College Avenue.

There is also a begin DE 2 shield on Library Avenue north bound now.

Updated the Delaware 279 (https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/de-279.htm) guide just now. Photos of the three shields:

(https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/delaware200/de-279_nb_begin.jpg)

(https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/delaware200/de-279_nb_at_de-004_896.jpg)

(https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/delaware200/de-279_sb_begin.jpg)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 29, 2014, 08:06:35 PM
I see they still haven't fixed that "East" 896 guide in the second photo.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on September 29, 2014, 10:06:09 PM
I see they still haven't fixed that "East" 896 guide in the second photo.

"Take down all DE 2 biz signs, ignore everything else"

(https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/delaware001/de-002_eb_at_de-002b_004_896.jpg)

Ten years of that error no less...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PurdueBill on September 29, 2014, 11:12:06 PM
Geez, a correct NORTH banner was even there above the Business 2 stuff and it left the premises instead of moving up the post.  I'll be there in a few weeks....maybe I should go try to correct it myself somehow.  :P
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on October 03, 2014, 03:10:40 PM
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/de-273_end.jpg)

Delaware 273 was dropped from its needless overlap with Delaware 9 in New Castle. A new end sign was installed where the state route east intersects Delaware 141 north and the turn of Delaware 9 to bypass the city street grid. Signage still remains further east for SR 273 however, including the original end assembly.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on October 03, 2014, 03:41:12 PM
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/de-273_end.jpg)

Delaware 273 was dropped from its needless overlap with Delaware 9 in New Castle. A new end sign was installed where the state route east intersects Delaware 141 north and the turn of Delaware 9 to bypass the city street grid. Signage still remains further east for SR 273 however, including the original end assembly.
Looks like somebody mixed up which shields get Series C and which ones get Series D.  IMHO, the DE 141 numerals should be Series D and the 273 shield should be Series C; the opposite of what's shown.

Also, what's with the different thicknesses between the 141 and 273 numerals?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PurdueBill on October 04, 2014, 09:01:44 PM
The 273 looks like an older shield between the digits in D and the oval having flat bottom and top.  The 141 appears to be the newer kind of oval with curvature nearly all around.  Indeed a number with two 1s ought to be series D--heck, it might fit in a circle!  :P
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 04, 2014, 09:55:23 PM
Anything fits in a circle if you manipulate it enough!

(http://i.imgur.com/62ilYp0.png)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PurdueBill on October 06, 2014, 12:30:22 AM
Anything fits in a circle if you manipulate it enough!

(http://i.imgur.com/62ilYp0.png)

Exactly the type I was thinking of.  I lived near a number of those once--not too far from those very signs actually.

The large number of narrow 273 shields vs. the paucity of narrow 896 ones was always intriguing.  I figured it came from 273 being frequently with 2, as in the pic, so as to have the shields the same width, and carried over to some others as well.  But 896 shields with other narrow ones never became narrow.  Mysteries of DelDOT....

I miss the ancient overhead on Main St. with the little circular 273 and 896 shields.  I once lived where I could see that one out a window.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on October 07, 2014, 07:56:01 PM
But 896 shields with other narrow ones never became narrow.  Mysteries of DelDOT....
Never?
(http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/de/de_896/solds.jpg)  (http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/de/de_273/w896.jpg)
Granted, excellent chance neither of these was erected by DelDOT.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 08, 2014, 08:49:23 PM
So DelDOT released their "Annual Report and Transportation Facts" for 2013 and the cover of it had a neat overhead shot of the recently completed I-95 / DE 1 interchange.

Here's a link to the actual PDF: http://www.deldot.gov/information/pubs_forms/fact_book/pdf/2013/2013_deldot_fact_book.pdf (http://www.deldot.gov/information/pubs_forms/fact_book/pdf/2013/2013_deldot_fact_book.pdf)

(http://i.imgur.com/818oTkg.jpg)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 09, 2014, 09:34:35 PM
USA Today: Delaware eyes truckers evading tolls on I-95 (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/08/toll-evaders/16922061/)

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By year's end, truckers again could see cops on the lookout for Delaware Turnpike toll evaders along streets in this area, officials said.

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The state Department of Transportation stopped paying for heightened enforcement from Delaware State Police and Newark police in 2007, according to police agencies. New agreements are under discussion.

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"It was like as soon as we were gone, the truckers knew," Newark City Manager Carol Houck said. "Our guys just can't be out there all the time."

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The Transportation Department is looking to reinstate money for special-duty patrols along routes restricted to local deliveries only, such as Delaware 4 and Old Baltimore Pike, also known as Delaware 281. The goal is to slow declining commercial toll revenues on Interstate 95.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Brandon on October 10, 2014, 09:53:22 AM
USA Today: Delaware eyes truckers evading tolls on I-95 (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/08/toll-evaders/16922061/)

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By year's end, truckers again could see cops on the lookout for Delaware Turnpike toll evaders along streets in this area, officials said.

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The state Department of Transportation stopped paying for heightened enforcement from Delaware State Police and Newark police in 2007, according to police agencies. New agreements are under discussion.

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"It was like as soon as we were gone, the truckers knew," Newark City Manager Carol Houck said. "Our guys just can't be out there all the time."

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The Transportation Department is looking to reinstate money for special-duty patrols along routes restricted to local deliveries only, such as Delaware 4 and Old Baltimore Pike, also known as Delaware 281. The goal is to slow declining commercial toll revenues on Interstate 95.

That's what happens when you're too stupid to put in proper ramp plazas on your tollway.  Put in ramp plazas that decrease in toll the further you get from the mainline toll plaza, and a lot of the problem will solve itself.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on October 10, 2014, 09:58:52 AM
Delaware did charge at one time to exit at all the ramps leading up to the tolls.   They were stupid to remove them not to think about installing them.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on October 10, 2014, 10:22:29 AM
USA Today: Delaware eyes truckers evading tolls on I-95 (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/08/toll-evaders/16922061/)

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By year's end, truckers again could see cops on the lookout for Delaware Turnpike toll evaders along streets in this area, officials said.

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The state Department of Transportation stopped paying for heightened enforcement from Delaware State Police and Newark police in 2007, according to police agencies. New agreements are under discussion.

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"It was like as soon as we were gone, the truckers knew," Newark City Manager Carol Houck said. "Our guys just can't be out there all the time."

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The Transportation Department is looking to reinstate money for special-duty patrols along routes restricted to local deliveries only, such as Delaware 4 and Old Baltimore Pike, also known as Delaware 281. The goal is to slow declining commercial toll revenues on Interstate 95.
Another article excerpt worth noting posted below (bold emphasis added):

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The weight restrictions on Delaware 4 aren't because of structural limitations on the bridge but to keep large trucks off the roads, said Mark Luszcz, chief traffic engineer for the state Transportation Department.

"The reason there's a truck restriction on Route 4 is because the viable route is I-95," Luszcz said.
In short, the restrictions weren't safety-driven but rather revenue-driven (surprise-surprise).

That's what happens when you're too stupid to put in proper ramp plazas on your tollway.  Put in ramp plazas that decrease in toll the further you get from the mainline toll plaza, and a lot of the problem will solve itself.
Like other toll facilities, that plaza & its related-tolls were likely originally supposed to be torn down & gone after the original bonds that built the highway were paid off.  The tolls only existed to expedite the construction of the road.  The interchange ramp tolls were eliminated in 1976.

The real issue here is that when toll agencies gouge (round-trip tolls range from $8 for cars to $18 for 5-axle trucks; there's also NO EZ-Pass discount since October 2007), all motorists (including truckers) will seek alternate routes where possible/practical.  Since the toll is not for a river crossing; the surrounding local roads are 100% fair game for usage.

Delaware did charge at one time to exit at all the ramps leading up to the tolls.   They were stupid to remove them not to think about installing them.
Again, the road was likely destined to be free of all tolls (hence the I-95 shields) when the original bonds were paid off.  Plus, the tolls (in terms of dollar amount) were a lot lower back then (10-cent, 25-cent tolls).  The shun-piking en masse started in October 2007 when the current tolls rates took effect and the EZ-Pass discounts were eliminated.

Who didn't see this coming?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 10, 2014, 10:46:52 AM
I'd argue shun-piking went *down* since they added the Express lanes, as one can get from Exit 1 in Delaware to Exit 109 in Maryland in about 2 minutes, versus the 10 or so minute detour shunpiking would require.  Some people that are sitting in a traffic jam approaching Exit 1 would figure out they would spend the same amount of time detouring to avoid a toll compared to sitting in traffic to pay a toll.  Without the traffic jams, the incentive to bypass the toll can be weighed against the time it'll take to bypass that toll.

For those that take the road every day, it's probably worthwhile to detour.  $8 a day round trip is $180 or so a month for a normal worker.  Even more dramatic with truckers, which can be a $400 monthly expenditure. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on October 10, 2014, 10:51:37 AM
I was only answering Brandon's post.  Agreed, raising the tolls on the Delaware Turnpike opened the door to all this extra traffic on the local roads.  It is a shame that the politicians do not see it when they vote on increases to the tolls, and instead they are indeed surprised by people's action to avoid the tolls.

The tolls should be removed as originally planned, but some agencies have become businesses and keep annexing road projects more so to keep their jobs than the actual need for the project.

At least EZ pass has helped as before you had to wait in traffic just to pay the high toll rate.  Back in 09 when I drove there in March, I remember seeing SB traffic backed up almost to DE 273.  I would have not blamed anyone for avoiding that as the toll was 4 bucks at that time.  Waiting in a long line just to pay it is even worse than the toll itself.  Delaware should be lowering the tolls instead of cracking down on the shunpikers.

It is a mess and will continue to get worse and not better!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on October 10, 2014, 10:56:47 AM
I'd argue shun-piking went *down* since they added the Express lanes, as one can get from Exit 1 in Delaware to Exit 109 in Maryland in about 2 minutes, versus the 10 or so minute detour shunpiking would require.
From the article:   
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Transactions fell 8% for the largest commercial category – 5-axle tractor-trailers – during the fiscal year ending June 30 and are down by 25% when compared to 2006 traffic. Overall commercial toll revenue was down by more than $2 million – 7.5% – from 2013, according to state data.

The comparison didn't go into that particular detail (re: EZ-Pass Express Lanes) but nonetheless; shunpiking has indeed increased since the tolls went up and the EZ-Pass discounted were eliminated (for I-95 only, not DE 1).

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 10, 2014, 11:30:38 PM
Delaware did charge at one time to exit at all the ramps leading up to the tolls.   They were stupid to remove them not to think about installing them.

I remember those ramp tolls on the JFK Highway in Delaware and in Maryland.  The only entirely "free" interchange with no tolls on the ramps was at Md. 279 (present-day Exit 109). 

In Delaware, all of the tolls on the ramps were for traffic entering northbound and exiting southbound. The Delaware Turnpike tolls were at present-day Exits 1, 3, and 4.  I don't think there were any ramp tolls at Exit 5.   They have been gone for a long time (the Delaware ramp tolls were removed in the 1970's, I think), but I recall the ramp tolls being very low, 5¢, 10¢, 15¢, 20¢ or maybe 25¢ at the most.   The Maryland ramp tolls were taken away in the early 1980's.

I think the Delaware ramp tolls were staffed, but none of the ramp tolls in Maryland had staffing - strictly coin-drop exact change.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 10, 2014, 11:39:19 PM
For those that take the road every day, it's probably worthwhile to detour.  $8 a day round trip is $180 or so a month for a normal worker.  Even more dramatic with truckers, which can be a $400 monthly expenditure.

A little more out of the way, but legal in both states for trucks, is to shunpike via U.S. 40. Delaware 1 works well on the Delaware side, and Md. 272 is good road in Maryland. Yes, there are some signalized intersections on U.S. 40, but for a tractor-trailer, the extra time might be worth it. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 10, 2014, 11:50:01 PM
I'd argue shun-piking went *down* since they added the Express lanes, as one can get from Exit 1 in Delaware to Exit 109 in Maryland in about 2 minutes, versus the 10 or so minute detour shunpiking would require.
From the article:   
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Transactions fell 8% for the largest commercial category – 5-axle tractor-trailers – during the fiscal year ending June 30 and are down by 25% when compared to 2006 traffic. Overall commercial toll revenue was down by more than $2 million – 7.5% – from 2013, according to state data.

The comparison didn't go into that particular detail (re: EZ-Pass Express Lanes) but nonetheless; shunpiking has indeed increased since the tolls went up and the EZ-Pass discounted were eliminated (for I-95 only, not DE 1).



But is truck traffic down in general? How does it compare to MD or NJ? And how do traffic volumes compare on the alternative routes?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on October 13, 2014, 08:39:20 AM
In Delaware, all of the tolls on the ramps were for traffic entering northbound and exiting southbound. The Delaware Turnpike tolls were at present-day Exits 1, 3, and 4.  I don't think there were any ramp tolls at Exit 5.   They have been gone for a long time (the Delaware ramp tolls were removed in the 1970's, I think), but I recall the ramp tolls being very low, 5¢, 10¢, 15¢, 20¢ or maybe 25¢ at the most.
As posted earlier, the ramp tolls in Delaware were removed in 1976.

But is truck traffic down in general? How does it compare to MD or NJ? And how do traffic volumes compare on the alternative routes?
The article (originally from a Delaware source, The Wilmington News Journal) is only focusing on the I-95 toll situation in Delaware and only Delaware.  The comparisons are based on when DelDOT raised the tolls (& dropped the EZ-Pass discounts) at the Newark Plaza in 2007. 

Not only did Additionally, MD & NJ not raise their tolls in 2007 (they only raised them within the last 3 years) but they didn't double them within a 3-year period as well like DelDOT did.  Since the reasoning for the increased shumpiking among trucks in DE is directly related to the exorbitant I-95 tolls in DE; comparing increased shunpiking rates & patterns for MD and/or NJ in this particular case is comparing apples & oranges.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on October 13, 2014, 09:12:07 PM
Not only did MD & NJ not raise their tolls in 2007 (they only raised them within the last 3 years) but they didn't double them within a 3-year period as well like DelDOT did.

Depends on what road you mean when you are talking about MD.  If you mean the JFK toll plaza, it didn't quite double.  However, the Baltimore bridge/tunnel tolls did double in about a 3-year period (from $2 to $4 each way).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on October 14, 2014, 10:25:03 AM
Depends on what road you mean when you are talking about MD.  If you mean the JFK toll plaza, it didn't quite double.  However, the Baltimore bridge/tunnel tolls did double in about a 3-year period (from $2 to $4 each way).
Prior to July 1, 2013, the base toll rate for the Baltimore Bridges/Tunnels was $3 each-way.  The increase from $2 to $3 for the Baltimore crossings occurred in 2003; a 10-year period.

Above-comment stricken after further review.

Prior to 2005, the base toll for the Newark Plaza was $2 each-way.  It went up to $3 in 2005 and then up to $4 in 2007.  Again, the latter increase 86ed all EZ-Pass discounts.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Laura on October 16, 2014, 07:11:39 AM

Not only did MD & NJ not raise their tolls in 2007 (they only raised them within the last 3 years) but they didn't double them within a 3-year period as well like DelDOT did.

Depends on what road you mean when you are talking about MD.  If you mean the JFK toll plaza, it didn't quite double.  However, the Baltimore bridge/tunnel tolls did double in about a 3-year period (from $2 to $4 each way).
Prior to July 1, 2013, the base toll rate for the Baltimore Bridges/Tunnels was $3 each-way.  The increase from $2 to $3 for the Baltimore crossings occurred in 2003; a 10-year period.

Prior to 2005, the base toll for the Newark Plaza was $2 each-way.  It went up to $3 in 2005 and then up to $4 in 2007.  Again, the latter increase 86ed all EZ-Pass discounts.

Nope. The base rate in Maryland for the Baltimore bridges/tunnels was $2 from 2003 until November 1, 2011, when the rate increased to $3. The rate then went up to $4 on July 1, 2013. So yes, the tolls doubled within 20 months.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 16, 2014, 08:34:41 AM
Not only did MD & NJ not raise their tolls in 2007 (they only raised them within the last 3 years) but they didn't double them within a 3-year period as well like DelDOT did.  Since the reasoning for the increased shumpiking among trucks in DE is directly related to the exorbitant I-95 tolls in DE; comparing increased shunpiking rates & patterns for MD and/or NJ in this particular case is comparing apples & oranges.

What I'm trying to say though is, is there a corresponding increase in shunpiking?  The article mentioned 5 axle trailer revenue is down by 8%.  Is that entire 8% shunpiking? Or were there fewer trucks on the road to begin with.

What are the traffic counts on the shunpike routes?  That would be extremely important to know as well.

That's where the relevance of NJ & MD truck traffic comes in.  If truck traffic in NJ & MD was down by 5% in those states, and 8% in Delaware, then it can be reasonably concluded that shunpiking increased by 3%, not 8% as the article is trying to indicate, even if you don't use traffic counts.

Newspapers in general tend to focus on their own states' data.  And depending on how they are trying to angle the story, they would include or exclude other data.  In this case, it would be prudent to know how much truck traffic is out there in general.  Heck - if truck traffic was down 10% in MD & NJ, but only 8% in DE, then it would point out that shunpiking may not have increased at all.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on October 16, 2014, 09:04:56 AM
Not sure where I got that 2003 date, but I stand corrected (& since edited my earlier posts).  Nonetheless, unlike the Newark/Elton shunpiking; bypassing the Baltimore Harbor crossings simply involves just using I-695 (the Outer loop) to get around such.  Though, one could also use I-83 into downtown and meander a bit to pick up I-395; but such would only be recommended during off-peak periods (non-rush hour nor sporting event).

For the Susquehanna River crossing (Havre DeGrace/Perryville) along I-95 North, there's no nearby free alternative (the US 40 East crossing is tolled at the same rate).  For most, getting to US 1 from either I-95 or US 40 in that area is a bit too convoluted for shunpiking.  IIRC, locals are still elligible for a discounted toll.   

What I'm trying to say though is, is there a corresponding increase in shunpiking?  The article mentioned 5 axle trailer revenue is down by 8%.  Is that entire 8% shunpiking? Or were there fewer trucks on the road to begin with.

What are the traffic counts on the shunpike routes?  That would be extremely important to know as well.

That's where the relevance of NJ & MD truck traffic comes in.  If truck traffic in NJ & MD was down by 5% in those states, and 8% in Delaware, then it can be reasonably concluded that shunpiking increased by 3%, not 8% as the article is trying to indicate, even if you don't use traffic counts.

Newspapers in general tend to focus on their own states' data.  And depending on how they are trying to angle the story, they would include or exclude other data.  In this case, it would be prudent to know how much truck traffic is out there in general.  Heck - if truck traffic was down 10% in MD & NJ, but only 8% in DE, then it would point out that shunpiking may not have increased at all.
While I agree in principle with most of what you just posted; there are several things to note:

1.  As mentioned, the focus of the article deals with the situation in the Newark, DE/Elton, MD area.  The locals there don't give a flying flip about truck traffic bypassing toll roads in the Baltimore area nor in New Jersey. 

The only parallel situation in NJ I can recall was when locals along US 206 & NJ 31 were screaming bloody murder about through-truck traffic using their roads as a means of linking the Trenton area to I-287 about two decades ago.  Then-Gov. Whitman signed a law essentially banning through-truck traffic from using those roads; the square NO 102 signs were posted (not just on those 2 roads) as a result.

2.  Unlike most of the toll road situations in the Baltimore area or NJ, this particular highway plaza has no free highway (examples: I-295 in central/south Jersey or I-695/Balt. Beltway) alternative nearby; OTOH one can exit the highway (at EXITS 1B-1A in DE) and get back on (at Exit 109) over a relatively short distance.
 
3.  From the article (bold emphasis added);
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Toll revenues from the Newark plaza on I-95 slipped during the recession and haven't recovered like other comparable highways in the region, said Brian Motyl, assistant director of finance for the Delaware Transportation Department.
While it could be argued that the above-quote is more of a catch-all (aka CYA) statement; it's clearly insinuating that the toll revenue collected at the Newark Plaza is not seeing similar revenue trends as other toll plazas.

Another quote from the article:
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Revenues for Delaware 1, which is a 51-mile toll road from Dover Air Force Base north to I-95, have not followed the same trend.

Long story short; while shunpiking certainly isn't unique to northern DE, the still-lower revenue totals of the Newark plaza is clearly reflecting either an increased uptick of such or the other toll facilities seeing a drop in such... shunpiking, that is.

Will the article have a more detailed follow-up to answer your above-questions?  Maybe you can chime in on the comment section.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mrsman on October 19, 2014, 10:14:36 PM
Basically, the higher the toll, the more people want to avoid the toll.

The lower the extra distance to bypass the toll, the greater the number of people who will bypass the toll.

The Newark, DE toll crossing is relatively high ($4) and is fairly easy way to avoid, so there will be a lot of shunpiking. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on November 09, 2014, 10:07:05 AM
Does it not come to a quarter a mile with the 4 bucks?  I once read that it is the most expensive toll road in the nation.

Of course that was a few years back, so someone else might of took that title away if it was true when it was posted on Wikipedia.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on November 09, 2014, 10:31:35 AM
Does it not come to a quarter a mile with the 4 bucks?  I once read that it is the most expensive toll road in the nation.

Of course that was a few years back, so someone else might of took that title away if it was true when it was posted on Wikipedia.

Technically the $4 toll covers the entire 11-mile Delaware Turnpike, not just the segment between the state line and Exit 1. Same is said for the Susquehanna River Bridge toll for the JFK Memorial Highway in Maryland.

And speaking of the Newark Toll:

Truck toll-evasion patrols begin (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/traffic/burke/0001/01/01/truck-toll-evasion-patrols-begin/18272461/)

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Officials last week signed new agreements for 13 weeks of "enhanced enforcement" of toll evasion by heavy trucks and commercial vehicles along Del. 4/Christiana Parkway, and Del. 896 — routes restricted to local deliveries only.

The Delaware Department of Transportation hopes that reimplementing the enforcement will slow the decline of commercial toll revenues on I-95, which haven't recovered from the recession as have other tolled highways in the area, officials say.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 09, 2014, 11:06:49 PM
Technically the $4 toll covers the entire 11-mile Delaware Turnpike, not just the segment between the state line and Exit 1. Same is said for the Susquehanna River Bridge toll for the JFK Memorial Highway in Maryland.

I would buy that if the ramp tolls were still there (as IMO they should be in both Maryland and Delaware).   

But given that the ramp tolls in Delaware were removed in the mid-1970's and in Maryland in the early 1980's, then there is just one link on each highway that is actually tolled (and Maryland made matters worse by only tolling one direction at that one point).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on November 10, 2014, 02:02:26 PM
(as IMO they should be in both Maryland and Delaware)

As a local who uses I-95 pretty much everyday, I'd rather not fork over change anytime I want to use the road to head south.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 11, 2014, 12:31:17 AM
(as IMO they should be in both Maryland and Delaware)

As a local who uses I-95 pretty much everyday, I'd rather not fork over change anytime I want to use the road to head south.

So use E-ZPass - or take U.S. 40.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Laura on November 11, 2014, 10:51:30 AM
Where is the official end of DE 273?
I found eastbound end signage in two places: at the intersection with 141 and 9 and at the intersection with just 9.

(http://i.imgur.com/l6fjvu1.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/p2qna79.jpg)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on November 11, 2014, 05:01:01 PM
Where is the official end of DE 273?
I found eastbound end signage in two places: at the intersection with 141 and 9 and at the intersection with just 9.

It ends multiplexed with 9 east of 141.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mtantillo on November 11, 2014, 07:01:08 PM
Basically, the higher the toll, the more people want to avoid the toll.

The lower the extra distance to bypass the toll, the greater the number of people who will bypass the toll.

The Newark, DE toll crossing is relatively high ($4) and is fairly easy way to avoid, so there will be a lot of shunpiking. 
Technically the $4 toll covers the entire 11-mile Delaware Turnpike, not just the segment between the state line and Exit 1. Same is said for the Susquehanna River Bridge toll for the JFK Memorial Highway in Maryland.

I would buy that if the ramp tolls were still there (as IMO they should be in both Maryland and Delaware).   

But given that the ramp tolls in Delaware were removed in the mid-1970's and in Maryland in the early 1980's, then there is just one link on each highway that is actually tolled (and Maryland made matters worse by only tolling one direction at that one point).


Keep in mind that a lot of the traffic passing through DE on I-95 is not local, but long haul traffic. I drive up north to NJ/NY/New England fairly often for one reason or another. Using the "normal" route...I-95, I-295, NJ Turnpike, Lincoln Tunnel, it costs $66.10 in tolls ($13 Lincoln Tunnel EB, $12.55 NJ Turnpike each way, $4 Delaware Memorial Bridge WB, $4 Delaware Turnpike each way, $8 Tydings Bridge NB, $4 Fort McHenry Tunnel each way). If you pay with E-ZPass, you get a $2 or $4 discount at the Holland Tunnel depending on time of day. Regardless, $66.10, $64.10, or $62.10 is A LOT of money for tolls. Can you really blame people for looking for ways to cut that cost down a bit? Delaware has the unfortunate distinction of being the only one of those that is very easy to bypass.

The $8 at the Tyding Bridge is also fairly simple to avoid, but requires a little upfront planning. You need to get a Maryland E-ZPass account and purchase the "Hatem Bridge Plan" for $20. This allows unlimited use of the parallel Hatem Bridge on US 40 for one year. Hmm...$8 per trip, or $20 per year with a fairly simple detour? Sign me up for the latter, please. Anyone can do it, regardless of where you live, but of course Maryland doesn't exacly want a lot of people to sign up for it, so they don't advertise it much outside of the local area of Harford and Cecil counties. I took the requisite 3 trips to break even within 6 weeks of the plan's renewal date this year, giving me "free" passage until next June.

So doing the Hatem detour one way and the I-95 Neward detour both ways saves $16. Then use I-295 in NJ instead of the Turnpike as far as Exit 4 or 7A and you save another $2.80 to $4.50 each way. Get off the Turnpike at Exit 11 to US 22 to Pulaski Skyway (well, when it is open EB), and you save even more on Turnpike tolls. All combined, it takes maybe 20/25 minutes longer, essentially keeps the same route, and saves $37 in round trip tolls. For someone who doesn't drive the route often, it seems silly to bypass the tolls like that. But for someone who travels that way every few weeks, the savings adds up very quickly.   
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on November 11, 2014, 10:19:32 PM
Where is the official end of DE 273?
I found eastbound end signage in two places: at the intersection with 141 and 9 and at the intersection with just 9.


I posted about this also on October 3 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2010861#msg2010861). I based my earlier comments on the new end sign based upon an email from Bob Chessick on August 24th:

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DelDOT rebuilt the intersection of 273 and 141 recently. New signage reflects this as the new eastern end of DE-273 with DE-9 continuing down Frenchtown Road solo. Interestingly they relocated some older signs rather than all new installs. Photos soon.

However I also saw the remaining DE 273 shields. Thankfully the second of two narrow width shields for DE 273 (http://www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=DE19702731) remains opposite the east end.

The overlap was created when DE 9 was routed around New Castle.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: OracleUsr on November 11, 2014, 11:37:57 PM
(as IMO they should be in both Maryland and Delaware)

As a local who uses I-95 pretty much everyday, I'd rather not fork over change anytime I want to use the road to head south.

So use E-ZPass - or take U.S. 40.

Isn't Eastbound 40 towards Havre de Grace also tolled across the Susquehanna?  Or is this another section you're referring to?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on November 11, 2014, 11:46:33 PM
Where is the official end of DE 273?
I found eastbound end signage in two places: at the intersection with 141 and 9 and at the intersection with just 9.


I posted about this also on October 3 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2010861#msg2010861). I based my earlier comments on the new end sign based upon an email from Bob Chessick on August 24th:

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DelDOT rebuilt the intersection of 273 and 141 recently. New signage reflects this as the new eastern end of DE-273 with DE-9 continuing down Frenchtown Road solo. Interestingly they relocated some older signs rather than all new installs. Photos soon.

However I also saw the remaining DE 273 shields. Thankfully the second of two narrow width shields for DE 273 (http://www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=DE19702731) remains opposite the east end.

The overlap was created when DE 9 was routed around New Castle.
New signage reflects the logical end. Has the official definition followed suit?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NE2 on November 11, 2014, 11:56:04 PM
I don't know if DelDOT has official definitions. The closest thing I can find is the traffic counts, which even [http://www.deldot.gov/information/pubs_forms/manuals/traffic_counts/2001/pdf/ts2001_21_41.pdf in 2001] showed 273 ending at 141 (typoed as 41). (Yes, it does show overlaps.) But this could have been the decision of whoever was compiling the traffic counts.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on November 12, 2014, 07:31:14 AM
(as IMO they should be in both Maryland and Delaware)

As a local who uses I-95 pretty much everyday, I'd rather not fork over change anytime I want to use the road to head south.

So use E-ZPass - or take U.S. 40.

Isn't Eastbound 40 towards Havre de Grace also tolled across the Susquehanna?  Or is this another section you're referring to?
When I said south I didn't mean southbound into Maryland, I meant south into Bear or Glasgow.  Its far easier to take I-95 from 273 to 896 to get to Glasgow and points south, or I-95 from 273 to 1/7 to get to Bear and points south than it is to take surface arteries. 

And quite frankly, introducing ramp tolls in Delaware would either exacerbate the already bad traffic on ramps along the Turnpike or force traffic onto surface arteries and worsen the already bad traffic there.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on November 12, 2014, 08:01:25 AM
I don't know if DelDOT has official definitions. The closest thing I can find is the traffic counts, which even [http://www.deldot.gov/information/pubs_forms/manuals/traffic_counts/2001/pdf/ts2001_21_41.pdf in 2001] showed 273 ending at 141 (typoed as 41). (Yes, it does show overlaps.) But this could have been the decision of whoever was compiling the traffic counts.

The traffic counts book (http://www.deldot.gov/information/pubs_forms/manuals/traffic_counts/2013/pdf/routes.pdf) has other issues too, like the east end of DE 20 is listed as DE 14, the 1970s numbering for DE 1.

And quite frankly, introducing ramp tolls in Delaware would either exacerbate the already bad traffic on ramps along the Turnpike or force traffic onto surface arteries and worsen the already bad traffic there.

Reintroducing ramp-tolls was a 1990s concept that was hugely unpopular and had very little chance of happening. Ramp tolls were also removed because Kirkwood Highway and other east-west roads were becoming congested because local traffic was not using Interstate 95. At least that is what I recalled being said when growing up.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on November 15, 2014, 04:20:01 PM
I drove through Stanton today and noticed that the 12-8-8 signals on DE 4 at Stanton Rd are all getting replaced.  The switch has been completed eastbound, but for westbound the old signals are still in operation while the new signals are covered.  The picture I got wasn't fantastic as the sun was in the way, but one thing that's noticeable is the massive size of the pole supporting the mast.

(http://i.imgur.com/YucRo9Mh.jpg)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on November 16, 2014, 09:53:07 AM
I drove through Stanton today and noticed that the 12-8-8 signals on DE 4 at Stanton Rd are all getting replaced.  The switch has been completed eastbound, but for westbound the old signals are still in operation while the new signals are covered.  The picture I got wasn't fantastic as the sun was in the way, but one thing that's noticeable is the massive size of the pole supporting the mast.

(http://i.imgur.com/YucRo9Mh.jpg)

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

They will always live on here at least:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/iccdude/sets/72157635006210646/
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mrsman on November 16, 2014, 06:23:41 PM
Basically, the higher the toll, the more people want to avoid the toll.

The lower the extra distance to bypass the toll, the greater the number of people who will bypass the toll.

The Newark, DE toll crossing is relatively high ($4) and is fairly easy way to avoid, so there will be a lot of shunpiking. 
Technically the $4 toll covers the entire 11-mile Delaware Turnpike, not just the segment between the state line and Exit 1. Same is said for the Susquehanna River Bridge toll for the JFK Memorial Highway in Maryland.

I would buy that if the ramp tolls were still there (as IMO they should be in both Maryland and Delaware).   

But given that the ramp tolls in Delaware were removed in the mid-1970's and in Maryland in the early 1980's, then there is just one link on each highway that is actually tolled (and Maryland made matters worse by only tolling one direction at that one point).


Keep in mind that a lot of the traffic passing through DE on I-95 is not local, but long haul traffic. I drive up north to NJ/NY/New England fairly often for one reason or another. Using the "normal" route...I-95, I-295, NJ Turnpike, Lincoln Tunnel, it costs $66.10 in tolls ($13 Lincoln Tunnel EB, $12.55 NJ Turnpike each way, $4 Delaware Memorial Bridge WB, $4 Delaware Turnpike each way, $8 Tydings Bridge NB, $4 Fort McHenry Tunnel each way). If you pay with E-ZPass, you get a $2 or $4 discount at the Holland Tunnel depending on time of day. Regardless, $66.10, $64.10, or $62.10 is A LOT of money for tolls. Can you really blame people for looking for ways to cut that cost down a bit? Delaware has the unfortunate distinction of being the only one of those that is very easy to bypass.

The $8 at the Tyding Bridge is also fairly simple to avoid, but requires a little upfront planning. You need to get a Maryland E-ZPass account and purchase the "Hatem Bridge Plan" for $20. This allows unlimited use of the parallel Hatem Bridge on US 40 for one year. Hmm...$8 per trip, or $20 per year with a fairly simple detour? Sign me up for the latter, please. Anyone can do it, regardless of where you live, but of course Maryland doesn't exacly want a lot of people to sign up for it, so they don't advertise it much outside of the local area of Harford and Cecil counties. I took the requisite 3 trips to break even within 6 weeks of the plan's renewal date this year, giving me "free" passage until next June.

So doing the Hatem detour one way and the I-95 Neward detour both ways saves $16. Then use I-295 in NJ instead of the Turnpike as far as Exit 4 or 7A and you save another $2.80 to $4.50 each way. Get off the Turnpike at Exit 11 to US 22 to Pulaski Skyway (well, when it is open EB), and you save even more on Turnpike tolls. All combined, it takes maybe 20/25 minutes longer, essentially keeps the same route, and saves $37 in round trip tolls. For someone who doesn't drive the route often, it seems silly to bypass the tolls like that. But for someone who travels that way every few weeks, the savings adds up very quickly.

$66 round trip.  Wow! :wow:

I've lived in the DC area for 13 years and I tend to make a trip to NYC several times a year (lately, it's been about 2-3 times) to visit family.  Before DE toll and the toll on the bridge got raised, I would routinely take the normal route with just a few shunpikes.  About half the time I would take I-695 to avoid the Harbor Tunnel, I would almost always avoid DE's toll by taking local streets, I would take I-295 all the way to 195 northbound and take the NJTP only to the Outerbridge Crossing.  On the return trip, it's always Brooklyn Bridge to Holland Tunnel (avoiding the punitive toll on the Verrazano), NJTP to 195 through Trenton over the Trenton Makes Bridge (to avoid the toll on the Del Mem Bridge) and eventually on I-95 through Philly (skipping Delaware again) and then all the way down I-95 to the Capital Beltway.  I believe with all that effort, in the old days, my round trip tolls would be about $20-$25.

But now, fuhgettaboutit!  I've decided that unless I want to see the highway progress on some of the consturction projects like 295/76 or the ETLs on I-95 north of Baltimore, I'm going to do the "long arc" and avoid all tolls (except for crossing the Hudson and a $1 toll westbound in Easton,PA) by going through York, Lancaster, Reading , and Allentown.  Yes it's more miles, but generally very few traffic holdups and would probably take less time than all the necessary shunpiking to keep costs in line.  In fact, in today's Washington Post (in an annual post he does this time of year discussing holiday getaways), Dr. Gridlock mentioned the routing through Harrisburg as a way to avoid the crawl along I-95 heading to NY and New England.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 16, 2014, 07:19:24 PM
But now, fuhgettaboutit!  I've decided that unless I want to see the highway progress on some of the consturction projects like 295/76 or the ETLs on I-95 north of Baltimore, I'm going to do the "long arc" and avoid all tolls (except for crossing the Hudson and a $1 toll westbound in Easton,PA) by going through York, Lancaster, Reading , and Allentown.  Yes it's more miles, but generally very few traffic holdups and would probably take less time than all the necessary shunpiking to keep costs in line.  In fact, in today's Washington Post (in an annual post he does this time of year discussing holiday getaways), Dr. Gridlock mentioned the routing through Harrisburg as a way to avoid the crawl along I-95 heading to NY and New England.

If you are trying to get across New York City on I-95, then taking some other route (such as I-287 or the GSP to the New York State Thruway, then across the Tappan Zee; Beacon or even the Bear Mountain Bridge) seems like a better route than I-95 crossing the GWB and the Cross-Bronx Expressway.

I also posted a link to the Dr. Gridlock article you mention above.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NE2 on November 16, 2014, 07:44:49 PM
a $1 toll westbound in Easton,PA
Eh, this is one of the easier tolls to bypass in a car. Don't know if the added time is worth it.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: J Route Z on November 30, 2014, 02:29:29 PM
Before DE 1 how would people access the beach towns? US 13 perhaps?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on November 30, 2014, 02:50:07 PM
Probably a combination of US 13 (which was 4-laned north of Dover no later than 1951, and the rest of the state by the mid-50s), US 113 (which predated DE 1 between Dover and Milford), and DE 14, which was DE 1's predecessor south of Milford.  When DE 1 came about, DE 14 was truncated to Milford.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NE2 on November 30, 2014, 03:10:42 PM
Before DE 1 how would people access the beach towns? US 13 perhaps?
https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/road_maps.htm
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 30, 2014, 03:34:46 PM
Before DE 1 how would people access the beach towns? US 13 perhaps?
https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/road_maps.htm

Spui, I do not recall driving this part of U.S. 13 in Delaware until the 1980's, when it seemed to be choked by an inordinate number of signalized intersections, with wait times made longer by an apparently enormous demand for left turns at nearly every light.

Has it been that bad since the road was widened to four-lane divided over most of its length?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 20, 2014, 10:48:33 PM
Does anyone have the story behind this awkward pavement shift on DE 896 south just after US 40?  Is it a simple misalignment, or is this leftover from some grand plan for future expansion?

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5966334,-75.7387437,303m/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5966334,-75.7387437,303m/data=!3m1!1e3)

(http://i.imgur.com/jbtuCTc.jpg)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on December 21, 2014, 10:05:26 AM
Does anyone have the story behind this awkward pavement shift on DE 896 south just after US 40?  Is it a simple misalignment, or is this leftover from some grand plan for future expansion?

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5966334,-75.7387437,303m/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5966334,-75.7387437,303m/data=!3m1!1e3)

For years the Official Delaware Highway map showed an interchange proposed between Delaware 896 and Porter Road just to the south. Could be related to that.

Concrete was misaligned for Delaware 1 south of the Mall, and it might also be a contractor error similar to what happened there:

(https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/vidcaps/de-001_sb_exit_164b_01.jpg)

Also that stretch leading south from Glasgow was only expanded in 1993-93. Until it was, plans for upgrading U.S. 301 to a freeway were still considered:

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/us-301_planners_cull_options_12-03-92.jpg)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 21, 2014, 12:13:17 PM
The road shifts the equivelant of two lanes to the left though, so I don't think it's related to Porter Road.  Given that map of alternatives, I'm actually wondering if it has something to do with the alternatives leading to I-95.  The angle of the shift seems to match up with the alternatives that cross US 40 to the east.

This actually brings up another question, would those alternatives tie into the Pike Creek Expressway should the two have actually been built?  There's a trail of ROW leading from I-95 east of DE 72 to about DE 2 / Harmony Road, crossing near the DE 273 / 4 interchange. I'm assuming this has to do with the cancelled Pike Creek project, but I've never seen any alignment maps.  Does anyone happen to have any?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on December 21, 2014, 06:21:13 PM
The road shifts the equivelant of two lanes to the left though, so I don't think it's related to Porter Road.  Given that map of alternatives, I'm actually wondering if it has something to do with the alternatives leading to I-95.  The angle of the shift seems to match up with the alternatives that cross US 40 to the east.

This actually brings up another question, would those alternatives tie into the Pike Creek Expressway should the two have actually been built?  There's a trail of ROW leading from I-95 east of DE 72 to about DE 2 / Harmony Road, crossing near the DE 273 / 4 interchange. I'm assuming this has to do with the cancelled Pike Creek project, but I've never seen any alignment maps.  Does anyone happen to have any?

FWIW, I also posted this map in another thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=6924.msg242285#msg242285) last year.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/2010_ncco_comp_plan_800.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/2010_ncco_comp_plan.jpg)

A scan from the New Castle County 2010 Comprehensive Plan (plan adopted 12/88, map prepared 11/89).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 21, 2014, 07:55:50 PM
Wow.  The routing for that ends next to my neighborhood, I wonder how the area would've changed had this have actually been built.  I also think the terminus is kind of odd, wouldn't it make sense to try to link this to DE 7 and eventually PA 41 to help establish a more defined route for northward traffic?

Also of note are the apparent grand plans for the Newtown / Reybold Road corridor.  I had no clue they extended to 896 and beyond.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on December 21, 2014, 10:53:54 PM
Wow.  The routing for that ends next to my neighborhood, I wonder how the area would've changed had this have actually been built.  I also think the terminus is kind of odd, wouldn't it make sense to try to link this to DE 7 and eventually PA 41 to help establish a more defined route for northward traffic?

Also of note are the apparent grand plans for the Newtown / Reybold Road corridor.  I had no clue they extended to 896 and beyond.

I will have to find the disc with the entire map scan on it and upload a copy for you. The Pike Creek Freeway extended northward as an arterial to New Linden Road. Can you imagine trying to build that along the path of Upper Pike Creek Road? What a mammoth undertaking it would have been.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 22, 2014, 12:35:32 AM
Wow.  The routing for that ends next to my neighborhood, I wonder how the area would've changed had this have actually been built.  I also think the terminus is kind of odd, wouldn't it make sense to try to link this to DE 7 and eventually PA 41 to help establish a more defined route for northward traffic?

Also of note are the apparent grand plans for the Newtown / Reybold Road corridor.  I had no clue they extended to 896 and beyond.

I will have to find the disc with the entire map scan on it and upload a copy for you. The Pike Creek Freeway extended northward as an arterial to New Linden Road. Can you imagine trying to build that along the path of Upper Pike Creek Road? What a mammoth undertaking it would have been.

That would've been unreal.  That valley seems so out of place given it's placement in the I-95 corridor, not to mention it's not very wide.  Maybe they could have pulled something off that could've brought out the scenic nature of the area, but chances are it would've only hurt the area.  I can't imagine how much money that would've cost to build that thing around the creek.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on February 04, 2015, 10:51:18 PM
Forgot to mention this earlier, work on the Thompsonville Road interchange on DE 1 started a few days back:

http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=5427 (http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=5427)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on February 05, 2015, 08:39:43 AM
Better late than never...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on February 08, 2015, 09:13:13 PM
Forgot to mention this earlier, work on the Thompsonville Road interchange on DE 1 started a few days back:

http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=5427 (http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=5427)

Here's what it'll replace...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Milford,+DE/@38.956554,-75.427417,3a,87.8y,285.63h,72.93t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sekpTacnCGybSWrzh76iz3Q!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x89b898f9ba001bb9:0xbd5084753aaccbc3

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadsguy on February 09, 2015, 11:45:50 PM
I've noticed that every bridge over I-95 in DE from the Maryland state line to the 95/495/295/141 interchange is long enough for an NJTP-style expansion. All loop ramps seem to have a jog where they meet the mainline, as if to line up more with the outer carriageways. Also, the DE 1 interchange's old SB collector-distributor has a three-lane wide bridge, despite the C/D road only being two lanes between the loops.

It's as if it were planned to be 2-4-4-2, like I-270 in MD. Clearly it's no longer planned, as the new DE 1 flyovers completely block where it could go, but does anyone know when it was planned, and if any widening at all is still considered? Also, if there would be any major reconfigurations, have any plans been published?

Also, if it were ever a plan, would MD have done anything besides an eight-lane widening that some of the bridges seem to be designed for?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on February 10, 2015, 08:53:05 PM
I've noticed that every bridge over I-95 in DE from the Maryland state line to the 95/495/295/141 interchange is long enough for an NJTP-style expansion. All loop ramps seem to have a jog where they meet the mainline, as if to line up more with the outer carriageways. Also, the DE 1 interchange's old SB collector-distributor has a three-lane wide bridge, despite the C/D road only being two lanes between the loops.

It's as if it were planned to be 2-4-4-2, like I-270 in MD. Clearly it's no longer planned, as the new DE 1 flyovers completely block where it could go, but does anyone know when it was planned, and if any widening at all is still considered? Also, if there would be any major reconfigurations, have any plans been published?

Also, if it were ever a plan, would MD have done anything besides an eight-lane widening that some of the bridges seem to be designed for?

We always conjectured it was for a dual configuration, and I even have the I-270 comparison made on the I-95 page write-up (https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/i-095.htm). However I have no actual proof that was what the space was for.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadsguy on February 14, 2015, 08:03:36 PM
There seems to be grading, and even a stub, for a NB-SB loop ramp at the I-295/US 13-40 interchange (http://goo.gl/maps/cDKvm). However, SB 295 hasn't been touched, and the old bridge from the removed "flyunder" ramp is still there. Was this a major reconstruction project that was never fully finished?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on February 23, 2015, 08:35:55 PM
Delaware is getting its first DDI.

Changes planned at Del. 72/Del. 1 interchange (http://www.delawareonline.com/videos/news/traffic/2015/02/23/23908091/)

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DelDOT has accelerated plans to rework the Del. 72 interchange along Del. 1 to create a “diverging”  traffic pattern along on Wrangle Hill Road overpass. The $7.6 million design will eliminate traffic lights at the top of the off-ramps.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 23, 2015, 08:48:20 PM
"DelDOT has accelerated plans to rework the Del. 72 interchange along Del. 1 to create a “diverging”  traffic pattern along on Wrangle Hill Road overpass. The $7.6 million design will eliminate traffic lights at the top of the off-ramps."

With the exception of the big traffic light signs on the proposed drawing, of course.

Also noted... Rt. 1 is 4 lanes per direction in the video.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on February 23, 2015, 09:56:12 PM
"DelDOT has accelerated plans to rework the Del. 72 interchange along Del. 1 to create a “diverging”  traffic pattern along on Wrangle Hill Road overpass. The $7.6 million design will eliminate traffic lights at the top of the off-ramps."

With the exception of the big traffic light signs on the proposed drawing, of course.

Also noted... Rt. 1 is 4 lanes per direction in the video.

They pulled the video from the main DE 1 widening project site.  In a world with adequate funding I suppose they would've done all of this at once.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on February 24, 2015, 08:52:37 PM
It's about time!  Delaware is bumping the speed limit on I-95 between the Maryland line and I-495 to 65 MPH.

http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/traffic/2015/02/24/delaware-speeds/23953659/ (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/traffic/2015/02/24/delaware-speeds/23953659/)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 24, 2015, 08:57:50 PM
It's about time!  Delaware is bumping the speed limit on I-95 between the Maryland line and I-495 to 65 MPH.

http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/traffic/2015/02/24/delaware-speeds/23953659/ (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/traffic/2015/02/24/delaware-speeds/23953659/)

As best as I can tell, much of I-95 between Baltimore City and the Delaware/Pennsylvania border (using I-495 to bypass downtown Wilmington) could have and probably should have a speed limit of 70 or even 75 MPH.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on February 24, 2015, 09:21:23 PM
It's about time!  Delaware is bumping the speed limit on I-95 between the Maryland line and I-495 to 65 MPH.

http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/traffic/2015/02/24/delaware-speeds/23953659/ (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/traffic/2015/02/24/delaware-speeds/23953659/)

As best as I can tell, much of I-95 between Baltimore City and the Delaware/Pennsylvania border (using I-495 to bypass downtown Wilmington) could have and probably should have a speed limit of 70 or even 75 MPH.

They admitted the average speed is closer to 70 MPH, but raising the speed limit by that much (especially considering we don't have anywhere that's signed above 65 MPH) was probably a bit too much for them.  I can easily do 75 MPH between DE 896 and DE 273 (while still being passed mind you), but baby steps I suppose.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 24, 2015, 09:37:33 PM
Finally!

At least the law is already 65 mph, so it's relatively easy to raise the speed limit to that.

Next thu can work with the DRBA to raise the ultra-low 50 mph in its jurisdiction.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 25, 2015, 04:59:56 PM
Finally!

At least the law is already 65 mph, so it's relatively easy to raise the speed limit to that.

Next thu can work with the DRBA to raise the ultra-low 50 mph in its jurisdiction.

I actually don't mind the 50 MPH limit on I-295 in Delaware and New Jersey (I think all or nearly all of it in Delaware is DRBA-maintained).

It is very short, and the geometric design is not great, so the time saved between 50 MPH (and say, for the sake of discussion, 70 MPH) is pretty small.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 26, 2015, 11:31:37 AM
I don't think I've ever heard you opposed to raising a speed limit before!!

The design is better than what you may remember, and definitely improved over what it was 10 or 20 years ago.

For example...Going North: As you split away from 95, you curve to the right. Previously, traffic coming from a I-95 South ramp on the left could cross over 295 to access US 13 South...which they had to do in about a 1/4 mile length, and was a high-accident location.  This movement has now been eliminated via a jersey barrier.  Further down, 295 curves left, then right again.  After that, you are on a 4 mile straightaway until you reach the NJ Turnpike/295 Split.

Not coincidentally, this 4 mile stretch is where people will be stopped by the cops.  There are 3 main areas for the police to hide:  At a paved spot in the median east of US 13, sitting on the left shoulder near the Rt. 9 overpass - especially when shadows hinder traffic's visibility of said cop in otherwise plain view, and at the base of the bridge on the Jersey side.  (Yeah, I go this way often!)

Going West is pretty much similar to going East, except for the toll plaza. 

On land, the road features normal sized lanes, full shoulders, and well banked curves.  While on the bridge itself there are no shoulders, this is equivalent to the shoulderless I-95 in MD over the Susquahanna Bridge (65 mph limit), not to mention the shoudlerless tunnels found in both Baltimore (55 mph limit on I-95) and the PA Turnpike Tunnels (55 mph as well).  The curves aren't nearly as sharp as what one encounters approaching either of those bridges/tunnels as well.  Additionally, the Delaware Memorial Bridge has a lane control system that is immediately activated to close a lane when a vehicle becomes disabled; a feature the other shoulderless areas mentioned above lacks.

As for the time saved, that should never been a consideration as to a speed limit.  A driver isn't going to calculate the time it's going to take to travel a certain length of highway based on the speed limit. 

The argument could be made as to why increase I-95 in Delaware to 65 mph at all, since the time saved is only 2 minutes.  When the ICC went from 55 to 60 mph, the time saved is slightly over 1 1/2 minutes if one drives the entire length.  If a small section of highway was upgraded and permitted faster speeds, that section of highway - if only a few miles long - would save less than a minute.

So, if the entire stretch of 295 under DRBA jurisdiction went from 50 to 55 mph, it'll save about a half a minute.  Nothing significant.  But when the roadway is 4 lanes wide with full shoulders and great sightlines, someone isn't thinking about the half a minute.  They're thinking the highway should be posted higher than 50 mph.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: J Route Z on March 03, 2015, 08:14:21 PM
PA will have to raise their speed limit next to 65. It is an unreasonable 55, even if it's traveling through the Philly area.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on March 03, 2015, 08:16:15 PM
PA will have to raise their speed limit next to 65. It is an unreasonable 55, even if it's traveling through the Philly area.

If they ever redo the section through Chester and add another lane through the I-476 interchange, I'd agree with you.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on March 08, 2015, 09:18:08 AM
How's the widening project on Route 26 west of Bethany Beach coming along?  I imagine the recent snowstorms put a crimp in the timetable.  How will the project be conducted during the summer?

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: davewiecking on March 08, 2015, 01:29:27 PM
Detour still in place on 26 where 2 culverts are being replaced. Shockingly, I think they'll be able to reopen the road as scheduled at the end of March (he typed while sitting in the Good Year store at the west end of the project). However, with the warmer weather the next few days, I think it will all turn into a sea of mud as the ground thaws...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 08, 2015, 03:27:41 PM
The real limiting factor would be continued cold weather, as this can affect concrete pouring, asphalt laying, etc. A snowstorm isn't much worse than a rainy day...it may shut down much of the work for a day, but they're back at it the next day. In the long run, these delays are fairly expected and time lost for weather is built into the schedule, just as an unusual long period of good weather would help a project along.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 08, 2015, 04:41:56 PM
PA will have to raise their speed limit next to 65. It is an unreasonable 55, even if it's traveling through the Philly area.

My impression is that the posted 55 MPH on I-95 in Pennsylvania is pretty universally ignored unless the freeway is congested.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ekt8750 on March 08, 2015, 08:30:42 PM
Yeah 55 usually means 70 up here.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: davewiecking on March 09, 2015, 07:53:20 PM
(http://www.dawnet.com/img/150308-Rt26.jpg)
Rt 26 at the west end of the closed portion. One of the 2 new culverts is under there someplace. Appears to only need final grading and asphalt. I drove several parts of the "closed for detour, but open because there are businesses" section today, and was pleasantly surprised at the amount of fresh concrete curbing and asphalt that has showed up since early January.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: davewiecking on March 25, 2015, 08:52:59 AM
Route 26 in Ocean View/Millville to reopen this Friday 3/27:
http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=5473 (http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=5473).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 30, 2015, 05:46:20 PM
DelDOT plans to truncate DE 41 at DE 2 and apparently redo DE 62's directional orientation between DE 2 and Boxwood Road. (I never noticed that the signed directions differed along there, hm.)

http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/de2_41/index.shtml (http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/de2_41/index.shtml)

Opinions?

Personally, I'd rather them delete DE 62 altogether and extend DE 41 down to DE 4.  I don't think Boxwood Road needs a route number, and having two separate numbers serving either side of the Newport Gap Pike seems redundant.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on March 30, 2015, 08:46:26 PM
DelDOT plans to truncate DE 41 at DE 2 and apparently redo DE 62's directional orientation between DE 2 and Boxwood Road. (I never noticed that the signed directions differed along there, hm.)

http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/de2_41/index.shtml (http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/de2_41/index.shtml)

Opinions?

Personally, I'd rather them delete DE 62 altogether and extend DE 41 down to DE 4.  I don't think Boxwood Road needs a route number, and having two separate numbers serving either side of the Newport Gap Pike seems redundant.

Thanks for posting this Alex!

Looking at the signing plans (all in Series C which continues to be the norm for DelDOT): http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/de2_41/pdf/DE2-41_SigningPlan.pdf
DE 62 will finally see some shielding between Old Capitol Tr and Kirkwood Highway. The lone DE 62 reference on DE 2 east at DE 41 was added during the 1999 shut down of DE 141 to redo the concrete on the Newport Freeway.

The signing plans do not address the incorrect end point at Old Capitol Trail. There was once an end shield there, which disappeared after 2004. But the southward pointing shield assembly remains in place on Old Capitol Tr eastbound (https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/delaware999/old_capitol_tr_eb_at_de-062.jpg).

All of my sign photos from the mid-2000s show DE 62 as east/west. Where was it ever signed north/south?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 30, 2015, 08:54:40 PM
Where was it ever signed north/south?

According to the signing plan they'll be removing or clarifying one or two South DE 62 signs (depending on how you interpret it) from DE 2 east approaching the intersection.

(http://i.imgur.com/s1WM4Fm.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/MDhWGJo.png)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on March 30, 2015, 09:09:53 PM
That explains it, thanks. I don't recall that median based assembly, because it was not there during my mid-2000s photo blitz of DE:

(https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/delaware001/de-002_eb_app_de-041.jpg)

However one of my photos from 2012 shows it (guess I never paid attention).

Another signing plan shows some possible changes for Delaware 141 ranging from simple greenouts over DE 41/Lancaster to new guide signs for Exit 6/Delaware 2:
http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/de2_41/pdf/SS01_SR141.pdf

One potential change will remove the lone Delaware reference of Freeway Ends (https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/delaware100/de-141_nb_exit_006a_02.jpg) and replace it with the more typical Expressway Ends.

Where was it ever signed north/south?

According to the signing plan they'll be removing or clarifying one or two South DE 62 signs (depending on how you interpret it) from DE 2 east approaching the intersection.

(http://i.imgur.com/s1WM4Fm.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/MDhWGJo.png)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 30, 2015, 09:21:08 PM
Another signing plan shows some possible changes for Delaware 141 ranging from simple greenouts over DE 41/Lancaster to new guide signs for Exit 6/Delaware 2:

I personally think all they need to do is clarify that DE 41 isn't a direct destination.  DE 41 is a major connection to the Lancaster area and it should probably still be signed, they could easily just add 'TO' and slide the DE 41 shields over where space permits.

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One potential change will remove the lone Delaware reference of Freeway Ends and replace it with the more typical Expressway Ends.

Isn't freeway the more appropriate terminology here though?  I tend to think of expressways as being near-freeways, but not quite.

Also, RIP 'Must Exit'
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Desert Man on March 30, 2015, 09:29:18 PM
Here's a thread on Delaware...on the RI thread, I was proven wrong when I said DE had one interstate...it also has 3 like RI. They are I-95, 295 and 495 in the Wilmington area. And according to google, I-895 existed for one year before it was decommissioned. Any reasons why for the change of plans regarding the 895? And RI had another I-895 (existed from 1968-1982). Even these 2 tiny states can support small interstate networks.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 30, 2015, 10:15:20 PM
I-895 existed as I-95's current routing through the city of Wilmington.  At the time they were undergoing a massive overhaul of the viaduct on the south side of the city and saw it fit to bump I-95 onto the current I-495 bypass to force most of the traffic around the city.  Once the construction was complete the city complained about not having the 2di routed through town, so they decommissioned I-895, slid I-95 back to its original alignment, and recommissioned I-495.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on March 31, 2015, 09:13:50 AM
Isn't freeway the more appropriate terminology here though?  I tend to think of expressways as being near-freeways, but not quite.

Yes freeway is more appropriate MUTCD-wise, but the northeast tends to use Expressway in place of it more often then not. I would prefer Freeway Ends to be the nomenclature otherwise.

Also, RIP 'Must Exit'

Glad to see a few more of those done away with. However the Must Exit stays in place on that DE 4 panel where they plan on greening out the DE 41 shield. Might as well take care of both while up there IMO.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 31, 2015, 10:17:02 AM
Per: http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/de2_41/index.shtml (http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/de2_41/index.shtml)
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In addition, truck traffic destined for Route 41 in Pennsylvania is traveling further out of its way to continue on DE Route 41 between DE Route 141 and the DE Route 2/41/62 intersection rather than continue north on DE Route 141 to DE Route 48 (Lancaster Pike).

Using Google Maps, using 141 to 48 to 41 takes 1.3 miles longer than using 141 to 2 to 41.  Why would DelDOT say that trucks are going out of their way using 2 to 41 when it's clearly the shorter route? (And the route that trucking companies are going to pay their drivers)


Per  http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/de2_41/pdf/SS01_SR141.pdf

1st insert from left (OH 1): Apparently Exit 3B was renumbered to Exit 33!

OH 4 and/or OH 5:  I would replace the pullthru DE 141 (single lane down arrow) BGS with a pullthru DE 141 (Destination), rather than eliminating it completely.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on March 31, 2015, 11:23:28 AM
Per: http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/de2_41/index.shtml (http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/de2_41/index.shtml)
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In addition, truck traffic destined for Route 41 in Pennsylvania is traveling further out of its way to continue on DE Route 41 between DE Route 141 and the DE Route 2/41/62 intersection rather than continue north on DE Route 141 to DE Route 48 (Lancaster Pike).

Using Google Maps, using 141 to 48 to 41 takes 1.3 miles longer than using 141 to 2 to 41.  Why would DelDOT say that trucks are going out of their way using 2 to 41 when it's clearly the shorter route? (And the route that trucking companies are going to pay their drivers)


Channeling NE2, because DelDOT:

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In addition, truck traffic destined for Route 41 in Pennsylvania is traveling further out of its way to continue on DE Route 41 between DE Route 141 and the DE Route 2/41/62 intersection rather than continue north on DE Route 141 to DE Route 48 (Lancaster Pike).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on April 05, 2015, 07:04:49 PM
DelDOT seeks breakout for snarled Millsboro bypass (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/2015/04/04/deldot-millsboro-plan/25302691/)

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State highway engineers are quietly rolling out plans for a scaled-back bypass around northeast Millsboro, spinning the project off from a larger and still bitterly contested proposal to relocate much of U.S. 113 in southernmost Sussex County.

DelDOT officials plan to brief Millsboro's Town Council on the approach Monday, with public workshop likely to follow, according to Geoff Sundstrom, spokeman for the agency. Officials have yet to make maps public, however.

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The updated, two-lane approach would link Del. 24 east of Millsboro to U.S. 113 north of the town, crossing tributaries of Millsboro Pond just south of the state-owned, 315-acre Doe Bridge Nature Preserve. The new lanes would provide an alternative for north and west-bound now forced to crawl through Millsboro’s central business district, producing long backups.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on April 06, 2015, 10:01:02 AM
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Carrie Bennett, whose family owns Frankford-area orchards that would have been lost to the original major highway proposal, said many Frankford, Dagsboro and Selbyville residents will be relieved.
“It was a poorly designed, billion dollar boondoggle of a plan which did nothing to alleviate traffic,”  Bennett said. “It just rerouted it and carved up 16 miles of wetlands, farmland and historic minority communities.”

Really?  A full freeway isn't going to alleviate congestion at all?  A full freeway would bypass the traffic lights, low speed limits, and narrow streets of Millsboro.  These people are just bitter that they had a highway proposed through their land.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on April 06, 2015, 10:20:46 AM
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Carrie Bennett, whose family owns Frankford-area orchards that would have been lost to the original major highway proposal, said many Frankford, Dagsboro and Selbyville residents will be relieved.
“It was a poorly designed, billion dollar boondoggle of a plan which did nothing to alleviate traffic,”  Bennett said. “It just rerouted it and carved up 16 miles of wetlands, farmland and historic minority communities.”

Really?  A full freeway isn't going to alleviate congestion at all?  A full freeway would bypass the traffic lights, low speed limits, and narrow streets of Millsboro.  These people are just bitter that they had a highway proposed through their land.

She wants to hold out until a developer offers her a can't-refuse-deal to turn her orchards into an 800-home subdivision...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on April 06, 2015, 11:13:59 AM
This article here http://www.roadsbridges.com/deldot-plans-us-113-bypass-near-milford was posted back in June 2007.   It talks about the Millsboro Bypass as well as the planned Milford Bypass, which is the main feature here, but as DelDOTs proactive way of dealing with population and growth expansion in Sussex County, DE is all the planned US 113 upgrades.

I was wondering how much progress has been made in the projected 10 years they say it would take to get the bypass built considering its almost 8 years after the article was published already?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on April 06, 2015, 06:56:35 PM
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Carrie Bennett, whose family owns Frankford-area orchards that would have been lost to the original major highway proposal, said many Frankford, Dagsboro and Selbyville residents will be relieved.
“It was a poorly designed, billion dollar boondoggle of a plan which did nothing to alleviate traffic,”  Bennett said. “It just rerouted it and carved up 16 miles of wetlands, farmland and historic minority communities.”

Really?  A full freeway isn't going to alleviate congestion at all?  A full freeway would bypass the traffic lights, low speed limits, and narrow streets of Millsboro.  These people are just bitter that they had a highway proposed through their land.

She wants to hold out until a developer offers her a can't-refuse-deal to turn her orchards into an 800-home subdivision...

Which brings up the point that future development is going to exasperate the already sucky traffic down there.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on April 06, 2015, 07:19:50 PM
Most of the people in the article are NIMBYs as they are complaining about forced government being DelDOT is going behind their backs to getting the unpopular bypass of Milford built.  In this case its a greedy land owner holding out, but if they do not let the state improve the road system now, they will bitch later about not enough roads around to handle upgraded sprawl.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: davewiecking on April 06, 2015, 08:11:38 PM
I don't know much about the Milford portion, but activities near Millsboro in the past 8 years have been limited to "Say No to US 113 Bypass" signs popping up all over, and DelDOT paying two landowners neighborhood of $60,000 per month to not start on housing developments while they pondered their options. Never mind that this was in the depths of the 2008+ depression, and nobody in their right mind was starting any housing developments in the area at the time. Led to some upper-level dismissals at DelDOT when the shinola hit the fan. In LSD (Lower Slower Delaware), the assumption is that all traffic wants to go north/south, and going east/west is irrelevant. So I give DelDOT credit for trying to look a generation into the future on US113, but not for leaving EW routes like DE404, 20, 26, 54 as 2 lane nightmares. Since chicken farms are in short supply and can't possibly be moved a few hundred feet out of the way, the Millsboro bypass isn't likely to happen. (Yes, there are significant environmental issues with the potential routes, but that's because those routes avoided the well-connected chicken farms.) I think the fact that the project to merely add sidewalks and a center turn lane on 3 miles of DE26 cost more to obtain the land than to build woke them up to the fact that they should at least try to buy the land for a bypass now.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on April 06, 2015, 11:47:43 PM
In LSD (Lower Slower Delaware), the assumption is that all traffic wants to go north/south, and going east/west is irrelevant. So I give DelDOT credit for trying to look a generation into the future on US113, but not for leaving EW routes like DE404, 20, 26, 54 as 2 lane nightmares.

They've kind of gotten the hint that things need to be done to DE 24, although at this point their only plans are widening from DE 1 to the Love Creek Bridge.  I guess it's a step in the right direction.  Hopefully they widen past there, maybe to Long Neck at least.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on April 07, 2015, 08:37:03 AM
Most of the people in the article are NIMBYs as they are complaining about forced government being DelDOT is going behind their backs to getting the unpopular bypass of Milford built.  In this case its a greedy land owner holding out, but if they do not let the state improve the road system now, they will bitch later about not enough roads around to handle upgraded sprawl.

IMO, The News Journal has always trended to posting the NIMBY point of view on road articles. You rarely read "I support this highway" or "any traffic solution is welcome", its almost always anti-highway.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NJRoadfan on April 07, 2015, 03:26:08 PM
I had the pleasure of taking DE-24 to US-113 south on a summer Sunday morning. It needs to be bypassed pretty badly. DE-24 makes for a handy shortcut to US-113 if one takes the Cape May-Lewes ferry and wants to head south to the CBBT. Honestly, DelDOT needs to take a proactive stance on obtaining ROW. I don't know the details, but paying someone to simply "defer" selling their land to developers is pretty stupid, they should have flat out bought the development rights, period.

Its a pretty common thing to do, but usually its to preserve farm land from tract housing as opposed to highway ROW preservation. Its also handy to suppress freeway induced sprawl that all those NIMBYs complain about.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: davewiecking on April 08, 2015, 01:30:56 PM
The land in question was already in the hands of (well-connected) developers, who were paid off to not start a housing development in the middle of a recession (which they weren't going to do anyway). Wish I'd saved link to the old article on this I found a few days ago-I was worried about posting the amount without verification, but found out the number was only $60,000, not the $100,000 I'd "remembered".
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on April 19, 2015, 06:17:22 PM
http://www.deldot.gov/information/publicevents/publicworkshops/workshop.shtml?id=5718 (http://www.deldot.gov/information/publicevents/publicworkshops/workshop.shtml?id=5718)

So apparently DelDOT is letting go of a portion of School House Road / Lower Twin Lane Road near DE 1 / US 13.  I looked it up and apparently the AADT along there maxes out at about 500 VPD.  Why'd they even bother building an overpass for these small roads when they built DE 1 through here in the '90s?  All they do is provide redundant access to the refinery area, it seems they could've figured this out before they went to the trouble of reconstructing the whole area, unless traffic was heavier along these roads before they were severed and reconnected.

Map of what I understand is being abandoned:
(http://i.imgur.com/bkdbydb.jpg)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 19, 2015, 08:57:41 PM
Map of what I understand is being abandoned:
(http://i.imgur.com/bkdbydb.jpg)

Could DelDOT motivated to get rid of this segment because of increased oil train traffic to the refinery and the grade crossing at the south end of the segment proposed for abandonment?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on April 19, 2015, 10:06:31 PM
Map of what I understand is being abandoned:
(http://i.imgur.com/bkdbydb.jpg)

Could DelDOT motivated to get rid of this segment because of increased oil train traffic to the refinery and the grade crossing at the south end of the segment proposed for abandonment?

I suppose that's plausible, that explains why they're leaving Upper Twin Lane Road as is.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ekt8750 on April 20, 2015, 04:48:44 PM
Map of what I understand is being abandoned:
(http://i.imgur.com/bkdbydb.jpg)

Could DelDOT motivated to get rid of this segment because of increased oil train traffic to the refinery and the grade crossing at the south end of the segment proposed for abandonment?

Could be. That Google Earth image is a bit dated as that rail yard to the right of the photo has since been expanded and now abuts DE1. They could very well have sold that off to Norfolk Southern to further expand that yard.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on May 12, 2015, 04:14:03 PM
DelDOT held a workshop yesterday concerning methods of alleviating operational problems at DE 273 and Harmony Road, mostly related to the bad weave on westbound 273.  The options range from shutting down Harmony Road or completely redoing the interchange between DE 273 and I-95 and widening 273 to six lanes total, either way it's worth a look.  I'm interested to see what gets done as I travel through this interchange everyday and know first hand that this is a problem area.

http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/sr273_harmonyrd/workshop.shtml (http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/sr273_harmonyrd/workshop.shtml)

I had already thought of something similar to alternatives 3A/B in terms of the westbound only signal, nice to see that I wasn't the only one.  :-P
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on May 13, 2015, 09:30:05 AM
I'm glad at least a couple of alternatives deal with the tight weave on the other side involving I-95 NB to DE 273 EB.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on May 13, 2015, 09:52:36 AM
I'm glad at least a couple of alternatives deal with the tight weave on the other side involving I-95 NB to DE 273 EB.
Not to mention they give DE 273 EB a deserved 2+ lanes of thru traffic.

An unrelated but interesting observation, Alternative 6 utilizes an old ROW that Harmony Road used to follow.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on May 13, 2015, 10:27:59 AM
The options that include a ramp to Christiana Hospital are the best IMO, but without that protected right-turn (I loathe protected right hand turns). Hospital access is the main reason why Harmony Road needs to remain a through street. Though going back to the mid-90s, area residents along Harmony have routinely advocated blocking the road to through traffic (which is why the chicanes and traffic islands were added).

Otherwise, I dislike most of these options. That weave concern has always been there, but its mostly an issue during the evening peak hours. You learn to anticipate it and make adjustments to compensate. Oh well, not like I drive through there daily like I once did, though I do use that interchange routinely when I am visiting home. The option that involves adding the most traffic signals is what DelDOT will choose.

Resurrect the Pike Creek Freeway north to Kirkwood Highway (Delaware 2), that's my suggestion.  :-P
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Zeffy on May 13, 2015, 10:32:01 AM
Taking away the free-flow movement and replacing it with traffic signals just seems like a horrible idea to me.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on May 13, 2015, 10:48:45 AM
Taking away the free-flow movement and replacing it with traffic signals just seems like a horrible idea to me.
It really is.  The only possibly beneficial signal is the proposed WB only one.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 13, 2015, 11:03:21 AM
Otherwise, I dislike most of these options. That weave concern has always been there, but its mostly an issue during the evening peak hours. You learn to anticipate it and make adjustments to compensate.

I'd agree with that, if it was just a congestion issue at the weave area.  But when accidents are higher than normal for a similar area; and when traffic backs up onto 95, causing congestion and accidents, which leads to more congestion on the highway, now there's a more significant issue. 

Considering all the traffic that moves thru that area, I don't know if additional traffic lights would help, considering the traffic light at Harmony road is the root cause of the congestion, and the weave complicates matters.

Closing Harmony Rd off from 273 isn't a totally bad idea, but I don't think enough consideration is being given to the traffic increase from those that will enter/exit from Brownleaf.  Even if it is mainly development traffic using that entrance, it'll still be a considerable increase in traffic for those living on that road.  While I understand the thought process of cutting off Harmony near Rt. 4 to prevent thru traffic from getting anywhere within the development, it would more negatively impact this development as they would need to access 4 or 273 to get to any stores; whereas now they can easily get to the nearby shopping center on 4 at Harmony or the (overpriced) Shell station on 273.

Alternative 4B is an interesting proposal of a DDI.

Alternative 9 is probably DOA.  Even if all of those residents were willing to give up their homes, the rest of the neighborhood would complain they now need to cross a highway to get to the school.  Not sure why that was even an option.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on May 13, 2015, 12:56:40 PM
Speed limit change on I-95 to 65 MPH takes place next week

http://deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=5549
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on May 13, 2015, 03:34:09 PM
Here's a more organized summarization from someone who lives within the study area and commutes through the project area everyday.  I haven't had the time to fully consider each until now.

Alternatives 1, 2A, 2B:

Any closure of Harmony Road is a bad idea for a few reasons.

Alternative 3A:

I had come to the conclusion that a signal for the ramp from I-95 SB to DE 273 WB was a possoble solution long before I knew DelDOT had the same idea.  I think it solves problems with the weaving from there to Harmony Road in the best manner possible while increasing capacity (since they end up extending the 3 lane portion of DE 273 WB).

The EB proposal, while it does finally give DE 273 EB a continuous two lanes, ends up adding a traffic signal to replace the ramp from I-95 NB to DE 273 WB.  I personally never thought of that weave on DE 273 WB over the bridge to be a problem, simply because neither of the ramps involved are heavily travelled.  Now if they predict problems because of an added WB signal on the western end of the interchange relating to this merge, then okay.  Otherwise it seems like a solution in search of a problem.

Alternative 3B:

Same as above, with the exception of alleviating the WB weave over I-95 without replacing the ramps.  Seems like a better solution than 3A since there's one less signal.

Alternative 4A, 4B:

I question ripping up the entirety of a free flowing interchange and forcing the busiest movements through another signal (specifically DE 273 EB to I-95 NB).  It seems incredibly costly just for the sake of downgrading an interchange. (although I will admit, a DDI with C/D lanes is kinda cool)

Alternative 5:

Yes please.  DE 273 is so under built for the function it serves through here.  This'd be fantastic coupled with other proposed changes at the interchange with I-95.

Alternative 6:

This could possibly work since it filters out virtually all of the Harmony Road bound traffic from the problematic weave.

Alternatives 7A, 7B:

These build off of Alternative 6 in that they include an extra off ramp from I-95 SB, but they also improve connectivity between the neighborhoods and the commercial complex off of DE 4.  As for which of these is better, I'd probably go for the one that ties into Brownleaf Road as that limits the amount of points where traffic is accessing Harmony Road.

Alternative 8A, 8B:

Too little, too late.  My issue here is similar to those of Alternatives 1, 2A, and 2B.  Removing access points is not a fantastic idea.

Alternative 9:

I'll echo jeffandnicole and say that this is DOA.  While it would certainly help Harmony Road traffic (although I think the intersections on either end of the proposal should be reworked), at what cost does it come?  This nukes a large amount of residences, most likely costs a significant amount of money, and won't solve the original problem this project sought to remedy unless paired with other alternatives.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: SteveG1988 on May 22, 2015, 07:57:28 PM
65mph now posted along I-95, drove it today from 295 to the MD border.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 1995hoo on May 22, 2015, 09:17:50 PM
65mph now posted along I-95, drove it today from 295 to the MD border.

How fast was traffic moving on the whole?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: SteveG1988 on May 22, 2015, 09:26:43 PM
65mph now posted along I-95, drove it today from 295 to the MD border.

How fast was traffic moving on the whole?

On the whole, the speed limit felt good.

70 at least.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on May 22, 2015, 10:03:39 PM
65mph now posted along I-95, drove it today from 295 to the MD border.

How fast was traffic moving on the whole?

On the whole, the speed limit felt good.

70 at least.

The cops are out in force as a result though.  They all wait at the entrance to I-95 SB at the service area and nab people after the underpass for Salem Church Road.  There were three of them with people pulled over within a span of about 100 feet when I went through this morning, and at least four or five more were watching from the service area exit.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on May 22, 2015, 10:18:06 PM
Yo guys, I'm making another control city proposal for Delaware.
In my opinion our control cities are perfectly reasonable as they are, but I'll just pick out the glaring issues:

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I-95 SB: New York up to MP 13.3
Traffic headed south is not going to New York because, well, that's the complete opposite direction.

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DE 1 NB: Philadelphia and New York up to MP 103
What happened to Wilmington?

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SB: Atlantic City up to MP 91.9
No one using DE 1 SB is going to Atlantic City.  AC traffic would've used the Delaware Memorial Bridge.


The plans are a bit eager to sign really long distance destinations while avoiding the local destinations that road users are actually going to.  If you're looking for a highway that needs control cities redone, see I-95 in Maryland (specifically northbound).

not to mention, going by mileposts is kind of confusing considering they aren't really landmarks we go by around here

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on May 22, 2015, 11:34:54 PM
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"Atlantic City" on DE 1 SB is because at exit 94 (I think), DE 1 intersects US 13. US 13 later intersects US 9. Using US 9 EB takes you to the Cape May-Lewes ferry. On the Cape May side, US 9 NB intersects US 30. US 30 EB heads to AC. Basically call it a second chance for lost drivers intended to go there.

Atlantic City is so out of the way it's not worth signing though.  The traffic using this road isn't thinking anything about New Jersey at this point, unless by some incredibly off chance they're using the ferry to get to Cape May (and honestly I don't think I've ever heard anyone ever talk about using the ferry to get anywhere).  If someone has managed to get themselves this lost they probably shouldn't be in charge of navigating.

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Wilmington disappeared in favor of Philadelphia, since Wilmington is pretty close from the I-95 interchange. Philadelphia seemed sensible here.

Since Wilmington is so much closer it makes much more sense to sign that instead of a city that's way further out and not as likely to have people going to it.

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The "New York" destination at MP 13.3 is that that is the I-295 interchange. I-295 NB will merge on to the NJ Turnpike (briefly) after the Delaware Memorial Bridge. You can continue onto the NJ Turnpike towards New York. That's pretty much your last reminder south of New York City telling you that there is another way to NY and NYC.

This is another situation that is rare enough that there's no point in signing it.  The entire interstate shouldn't be signed as heading to New York, as it in fact does not go there.  The vast majority of the traffic is going to continue southward towards Newark.  Why sign the freeway for the sake of a very very select few?



Control cities need to be assigned based off of how helpful they are to the majority people using the road.  I'm not sure you understand who's using these roads and where most of them are trying to get to.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: SteveG1988 on May 23, 2015, 07:58:02 AM
65mph now posted along I-95, drove it today from 295 to the MD border.

How fast was traffic moving on the whole?

On the whole, the speed limit felt good.

70 at least.

The cops are out in force as a result though.  They all wait at the entrance to I-95 SB at the service area and nab people after the underpass for Salem Church Road.  There were three of them with people pulled over within a span of about 100 feet when I went through this morning, and at least four or five more were watching from the service area exit.

Yeah, I'm governed in the semi at 65mph. Traffic flow was heavy, but moving at 65-70 no problem.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 23, 2015, 08:32:43 AM
I recall when Jersey first went to 65, there was heavy enforcement and due to the warnings of higher fines, traffic flowed at 65 or just above. Strict enforcement relaxed after a while, and for most people today they are more concerned with people using phones and other issues more so than speeding.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on May 27, 2015, 02:02:42 PM
SB: Baltimore up to MP 23.4
Suggestion: when using southbound references, use the word down instead of up; especially since milesposts decrease as one heads southbound.

Quote from: corrected example
SB: Baltimore down to MP 23.4
Such makes your posts regarding southbound destination legends much easier to read/follow.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 03, 2015, 09:34:47 AM
I drove all of 95 in Delaware on Monday evening, except between the MD State Line and Exit 1,  DE 896.  (No, I wasn't shunpiking...I was at an event near that road).  Since it was rush hour and raining heavily, I managed to hit 65 mph for about a mile along that entire stretch.

Interesting to note: The 65 mph signs used are the very standard 65 mph signs.  Yet, the 65 mph signs on 495 continue to be the electronic.  The 65 mph signs are off both the left and right shoulders of 95, which makes sense as 95 is 4 or 5 lanes wide.

Going North:  The 65 mph zone extends to the following areas:

At the 95/295 split:  65 mph continues thru Interchange 5A/5B, DE 141, which I believe is DRBA jurisdicition.  It ends just as traffic from Rt. 141 enters I-295.

At the 95/495 split: 65 mph continues directly onto I-495.

On 95 North:  65 mph does not end until after 295 South has merged onto 95 North.  The 55 mph signs are located where 495 South crosses over 95 North (where you see the 55 mph sign here: http://goo.gl/maps/7ktyA)

Going South:

95 South:  The signage begins after the 495 ramps have touched down onto 95, approximately right here: http://goo.gl/maps/fjIvf

65 mph continues at the Express EZ Pass/Cash split at Exit 1, approaching the toll plaza. I don't know if the speed limit drops in the Express Lanes as you approach the plaza.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on June 03, 2015, 01:42:01 PM
Sussex shopping center overpass could cost $15M (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/2015/06/02/otc-overpass-cost-million-developer-says/28372495/)

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The Overbrook Town Center shopping complex, if approved by Sussex County, would likely take six years to be fully constructed, an attorney for the project's developer said Tuesday. The developer said a key highway interchange for it could cost $15 million, about twice the amount the company will put towards its construction.

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Rob Arlett, another councilmember, said he's heard from plenty of constituents with traffic concerns. The developer has consulted with the Department of Transportation and designed a new interchange for Cave Neck Road and Del. 1, including an overpass and traffic flow that would move cars turning west onto Cave Neck Road through the shopping center's side roads.

Louis A. DiBitonto, a Trout Development principal, reiterated the company's previous pledge to spend $8 million on the interchange. But he told Arlett the company would not agree to increase its spending for the overpass to match its true cost, which he said was estimated to be $12 million to $15 million.

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Without a developer subsidy, of course, any interchange there would be funded wholly by DelDOT's taxpayer dollars; however, DelDOT does not have any near-term plans to build a Cave Neck Road interchange on its own.

The project seems to be decidedly unpopular in Sussex County. Lawrence Lank, the county's director of planning and zoning, said his office received 1,890 missives in opposition to it, compared to seven letters and emails supporting it. Opponents crowded into the county meeting room for the hearing, some wearing buttons that read "I say no to OTC."
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ekt8750 on June 03, 2015, 03:31:47 PM
I drove all of 95 in Delaware on Monday evening, except between the MD State Line and Exit 1,  DE 896.  (No, I wasn't shunpiking...I was at an event near that road).  Since it was rush hour and raining heavily, I managed to hit 65 mph for about a mile along that entire stretch.

Nothing wrong with shunpiking. Hell I managed to shunpike the entire Mid-Atlantic portion of 95 over the weekend coming back from Virginia. Makes for a little more fun drive.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on June 04, 2015, 08:44:09 PM
I drove all of 95 in Delaware on Monday evening, except between the MD State Line and Exit 1,  DE 896.  (No, I wasn't shunpiking...I was at an event near that road).  Since it was rush hour and raining heavily, I managed to hit 65 mph for about a mile along that entire stretch.

Nothing wrong with shunpiking. Hell I managed to shunpike the entire Mid-Atlantic portion of 95 over the weekend coming back from Virginia. Makes for a little more fun drive.

I shunpiked 66'd I-81 via U.S. 11 between Staunton, VA and Williamsport, MD in one day during a 2009 vacation.
 
And since this thread has to do with Delaware roads, I've shunpiked 66'd U.S. 13 by taking the secondary road from Delmar north through Laurel, Blades, Seaford, and into Bridgeville.  Sixty-sixing (or Sshunpiking)can be fun.

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 04, 2015, 09:58:51 PM
Shunpiking is done to avoid tolls. There are no tolls on 81 & 13 in those areas.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on June 04, 2015, 11:08:44 PM
Shunpiking is done to avoid tolls. There are no tolls on 81 & 13 in those areas.

At this point it's just sight-seeing.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on June 05, 2015, 08:52:41 AM
In Delaware and Maryland shunpiking these days is a must!  The tolls there are too damn ridiculous.

Of course, you can't really shunpike the George Washington Bridge as there is no way south of Albany where you can cross the Husdon River for free unless you go westbound.  Perhaps if you start your I-95 journey in New England and head south you can do it.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: odditude on June 05, 2015, 09:05:47 AM
Of course, you can't really shunpike the George Washington Bridge as there is no way south of Albany where you can cross the Husdon River for free unless you go westbound.
the Tappan Zee toll is half that of the GW, and for all intents and purposes counts as a shunpike.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ekt8750 on June 05, 2015, 11:08:37 AM
In Delaware and Maryland shunpiking these days is a must!  The tolls there are too damn ridiculous.

Exactly. The 95 bridge over the Susquehanna is the worst heading north. $8 is crazy and actually driving up to and over the Conowingo Dam is pretty scenic.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on June 05, 2015, 02:15:50 PM
Of course, you can't really shunpike the George Washington Bridge as there is no way south of Albany where you can cross the Husdon River for free unless you go westbound.
the Tappan Zee toll is half that of the GW, and for all intents and purposes counts as a shunpike.
If things have not changed that much over the last two decades, the Bear Mountain Bridge is even cheaper yet.

But, you still pay a toll.  Not a true Shunpike.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on June 05, 2015, 04:14:28 PM
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The tolls there are too damn ridiculous.

So are most of the detours.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 05, 2015, 05:20:25 PM
In Delaware and Maryland shunpiking these days is a must!  The tolls there are too damn ridiculous.

Exactly. The 95 bridge over the Susquehanna is the worst heading north. $8 is crazy and actually driving up to and over the Conowingo Dam is pretty scenic.

That toll is so high because it is an effort to collect tolls at one point from one direction of 43 miles of toll road, where all movements (between Md. 43, Exit 67 and Md. 279, Exit 109) were once tolled. 

It is especially a subsidy to residents of Harford County, many of whom drive the toll road every day yet pay no toll at all.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on June 06, 2015, 12:34:41 PM
Shunpiking is done to avoid tolls. There are no tolls on 81 & 13 in those areas.

At this point it's just sight-seeing.

As ekt said a few posts back, "Makes for a little more fun drive."  (Although assuming he used the Chesapeake Bay Bridge, he would've paid the Eastern Shore-bound toll there so it wouldn't have been a pure shunpike.)  Maybe it should be called "sixty-sixing" or "66-ing" (think Bobby Troup's favorite road).

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ekt8750 on June 06, 2015, 04:00:06 PM
Shunpiking is done to avoid tolls. There are no tolls on 81 & 13 in those areas.

At this point it's just sight-seeing.

As ekt said a few posts back, "Makes for a little more fun drive."  (Although assuming he used the Chesapeake Bay Bridge, he would've paid the Eastern Shore-bound toll there so it wouldn't have been a pure shunpike.)  Maybe it should be called "sixty-sixing" or "66-ing" (think Bobby Troup's favorite road).

ixnay

Well I went through Baltimore via 395 and 40 to avoid the Ft McHenry tunnel, MD155, 161 and US1 to get around the toll in Perryville and of course the famous 273-4-896 one at the DE state line. By far the most scenic of the three is the over the Susquehanna. Even spotted a few bald eagles while we were driving through.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on June 06, 2015, 10:12:08 PM
of course the famous 279-4-896 one

FTFY   :biggrin:

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ekt8750 on June 07, 2015, 08:48:28 PM
Had a brain fart there. So many 27x routes in the northeastern MD that they all run together sometimes.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ChezeHed81 on June 12, 2015, 05:27:42 PM
Does anyone know why Route 1 gets backed up SB south of Middletown on Thursdays and Fridays in season? Delays typically occur about 1 mile south of the onramp from Route 299, just beyond where the Odessa bump returns to more of a southward heading. Being that far from the interchange, it seems unlikely to be due to merging traffic volumes. (BTW kudos to DelDOT for designing an onramp where the majority of drivers merge at or above posted highway speed!) There are no reductions in lanes or changes in the roadway's design in the vicinity that would cause drivers to slow that would be obvious to me. If anything, the sight lines improve beyond the southward curve. I have yet to figure out what causes drivers to slow down in that area. I've been caught in jams that stretch back to the Biddles toll plaza some weekends.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on June 12, 2015, 09:10:12 PM
Simple answer: the drivers using that road in season have the attention span of a gnat.  These backups are typically caused by the simplest of distractions, IE: someone is pulled over by a cop or someone parked a boat on a trailer on the shoulder.  On Fridays everyone heads south towards the beach, so this is inverse on Sunday's.  No exxageration, I've been stuck in miles long backups caused by these otherwise ignored incidents.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on June 22, 2015, 12:45:20 AM
So within the past month or so, DelDOT replaced the signals at Kirkwood Highway (DE 2) and Cleveland Avenue in Newark.  They didn't just replace them with poles and leave the configuration as it was before the work was done, instead they ended up setting up split-phasing for DE 2 for the sake of adding a second left turn lane on DE 2 EB.  There was no room to widen DE 2 due to the proximity of the CSX underpass south of the intersection, and traffic was constantly tied up due to the amount of people attempting to turn left onto Cleveland Avenue WB.  Is this the first notable example in Delaware of the through movement being given split-phasing at a simple four way intersection?

(http://i.imgur.com/X4mvgKx.jpg)

These signals look like something out of New York, they had to lower them due to sight limitations from the underpass.

(facing EB)
(http://i.imgur.com/Pn2MRcy.jpg)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jp the roadgeek on June 22, 2015, 05:10:48 AM
Of course, you can't really shunpike the George Washington Bridge as there is no way south of Albany where you can cross the Husdon River for free unless you go westbound.
the Tappan Zee toll is half that of the GW, and for all intents and purposes counts as a shunpike.

And the $1.50 toll on the Newburgh-Beacon bridge is a nice shunpike of that.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 22, 2015, 06:12:32 AM
So within the past month or so, DelDOT replaced the signals at Kirkwood Highway (DE 2) and Cleveland Avenue in Newark.  They didn't just replace them with poles and leave the configuration as it was before the work was done, instead they ended up setting up split-phasing for DE 2 for the sake of adding a second left turn lane on DE 2 EB.  There was no room to widen DE 2 due to the proximity of the CSX underpass south of the intersection, and traffic was constantly tied up due to the amount of people attempting to turn left onto Cleveland Avenue WB.  Is this the first notable example in Delaware of the through movement being given split-phasing at a simple four way intersection?

(http://i.imgur.com/X4mvgKx.jpg)

These signals look like something out of New York, they had to lower them due to sight limitations from the underpass.

(facing EB)
(http://i.imgur.com/Pn2MRcy.jpg)

2nd pic:  I don't see why they couldn't have installed the arm mast lower to place the traffic light assemblies on it, like the other side.  It's not like anyone's going to hit it. 

As far as split phasing goes: At least when referring to the through movement, they split-phased Naaman's Road at the 95 North entrance.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mrsman on June 26, 2015, 01:42:11 PM
So within the past month or so, DelDOT replaced the signals at Kirkwood Highway (DE 2) and Cleveland Avenue in Newark.  They didn't just replace them with poles and leave the configuration as it was before the work was done, instead they ended up setting up split-phasing for DE 2 for the sake of adding a second left turn lane on DE 2 EB.  There was no room to widen DE 2 due to the proximity of the CSX underpass south of the intersection, and traffic was constantly tied up due to the amount of people attempting to turn left onto Cleveland Avenue WB.  Is this the first notable example in Delaware of the through movement being given split-phasing at a simple four way intersection?

(http://i.imgur.com/X4mvgKx.jpg)

These signals look like something out of New York, they had to lower them due to sight limitations from the underpass.

(facing EB)
(http://i.imgur.com/Pn2MRcy.jpg)


How is traffic as a result of the change?  Generally, split-phasing in a similar manner leads to heavy backups on the main road.

2nd pic:  I don't see why they couldn't have installed the arm mast lower to place the traffic light assemblies on it, like the other side.  It's not like anyone's going to hit it. 

As far as split phasing goes: At least when referring to the through movement, they split-phased Naaman's Road at the 95 North entrance.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on June 26, 2015, 06:28:05 PM
How is traffic as a result of the change?  Generally, split-phasing in a similar manner leads to heavy backups on the main road.

From what I've seen passing through on my bike, operations on DE 2 EB have improved greatly.  The left turn onto Cleveland Avenue was constantly backed up before the change, but afterwards it isn't nearly as bad.  One thing I'd like to see is signage pertaining to the change, as the lane configuration isn't immediately obvious until you're on top of the signal due to the shape of the roadway.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: lepidopteran on July 01, 2015, 02:11:42 PM
I did a double-take on the Delaware Memorial Bridge the other night.  It seriously looked like the Delaware tower of the NB span was replaced with two unconnected concrete poles!

Actually, the tower is being draped in a cloth-covered scaffolding so it can receive a coat of a special (newfangled?) steel-protecting paint.  But at night, and from the other span, it looked like two square concrete columns, since the connecting part at the top was not well lit.

http://www.nj.com/south-jersey-voices/index.ssf/2015/06/the_scoop_help_set_a_record_ha.html (http://www.nj.com/south-jersey-voices/index.ssf/2015/06/the_scoop_help_set_a_record_ha.html)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on July 01, 2015, 02:44:55 PM
I did a double-take on the Delaware Memorial Bridge the other night.  It seriously looked like the Delaware tower of the NB span was replaced with two unconnected concrete poles!

Actually, the tower is being draped in a cloth-covered scaffolding so it can receive a coat of a special (newfangled?) steel-protecting paint.  But at night, and from the other span, it looked like two square concrete columns, since the connecting part at the top was not well lit.

http://www.nj.com/south-jersey-voices/index.ssf/2015/06/the_scoop_help_set_a_record_ha.html (http://www.nj.com/south-jersey-voices/index.ssf/2015/06/the_scoop_help_set_a_record_ha.html)
Funny, I drove over that last night too.  The amount of scaffolding they're using for this is unbelievable.  I should've gotten some pictures.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 01, 2015, 03:44:31 PM
I've been taking pics every time I go over that bridge.  Maybe I should post a few!! LOL
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: KEVIN_224 on July 05, 2015, 12:08:52 AM
This is how it looked northbound, leaving New Castle, DE, back on Saturday, May 30th:
(http://i.imgur.com/lEURafg.jpg)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on July 28, 2015, 11:34:33 PM
It'd be nice if there was a more major route that allowed you to jump from to US 301 from US 13 in the Dover area and vice-versa, but there's not really a need for it.

While we're at it, just go ahead and make it cross the Delaware Bay.

On a more serious note, is a Delaware Bay crossing near Dover ever actually been considered?  Is it even possible?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: noelbotevera on July 28, 2015, 11:39:10 PM
It'd be nice if there was a more major route that allowed you to jump from to US 301 from US 13 in the Dover area and vice-versa, but there's not really a need for it.

On a more serious note, is a Delaware Bay crossing near Dover ever actually been considered?  Is it even possible?
None seen as far as I could find on DelDOT's website. There's no projects that have to do with major bridge crossings (crossing Delaware Bay) being built in Kent County.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on July 29, 2015, 12:20:41 AM
It'd be nice if there was a more major route that allowed you to jump from to US 301 from US 13 in the Dover area and vice-versa, but there's not really a need for it.

On a more serious note, is a Delaware Bay crossing near Dover ever actually been considered?  Is it even possible?
None seen as far as I could find on DelDOT's website. There's no projects that have to do with major bridge crossings (crossing Delaware Bay) being built in Kent County.

I'm well aware nothing's being considered right now.  I asked if it's been considered historically.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on July 29, 2015, 12:28:45 AM
It'd be nice if there was a more major route that allowed you to jump from to US 301 from US 13 in the Dover area and vice-versa, but there's not really a need for it.

On a more serious note, is a Delaware Bay crossing near Dover ever actually been considered?  Is it even possible?
None seen as far as I could find on DelDOT's website. There's no projects that have to do with major bridge crossings (crossing Delaware Bay) being built in Kent County.

I'm well aware nothing's being considered right now.  I asked if it's been considered historically.

I know I've just added myself to the conversation but it looks like it was considered at one point.
http://www.phillyroads.com/crossings/delaware-bay/

Interestingly enough it shows proposals for both a crossing near Woodland Beach and a Cape May crossing.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 29, 2015, 06:27:10 AM
If every proposal came to light, there would probably be twice the number of crossings between NJ & DE, or NJ & PA, that there are now.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: EricJV95 on July 29, 2015, 08:54:35 PM
$ 8.00 on the I-95 Bridge over the "Suzy Q" River from Md. to Del. ?!! Who the ? What the ? ARE THEY CRAZY ??!!!! HECK !!! From the Delaware Memorial Bridge traveling the ENTIRE N.J. Turnpike up to either EXITS 16E or 18E (110 Miles) is $9.35 . They better get it together in Maryland. That's a pure RIP OFF !!!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on July 29, 2015, 09:00:50 PM
$ 8.00 on the I-95 Bridge over the "Suzy Q" River from Md. to Del. ?!! Who the ? What the ? ARE THEY CRAZY ??!!!! HECK !!! From the Delaware Memorial Bridge traveling the ENTIRE N.J. Turnpike up to either EXITS 16E or 18E (110 Miles) is $9.35 . They better get it together in Maryland. That's a pure RIP OFF !!!

Some bridges in NYC have peak non-EZPass Toll rates of 13 dollars. Also the 8.00 toll basically supports the entire length of the JFK Memorial Highway. I-95 at that JFK Memorial highway is basically the Maryland Turnpike.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 29, 2015, 09:23:56 PM
$ 8.00 on the I-95 Bridge over the "Suzy Q" River from Md. to Del. ?!! Who the ? What the ? ARE THEY CRAZY ??!!!! HECK !!! From the Delaware Memorial Bridge traveling the ENTIRE N.J. Turnpike up to either EXITS 16E or 18E (110 Miles) is $9.35 . They better get it together in Maryland. That's a pure RIP OFF !!!

A) This has nothing to do with Delaware.

B) It's $13.85 ($10.40 Offpeak EZPass) for the NJ Turnpike from 1 to 18E/W. 

C) It's $8 one way.  For comparison's sake, you'll pay $27.70 R/T riding the entire NJ Turnpike. 

Now you can calm your rage down when you compare apples to apples.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on July 31, 2015, 12:11:28 AM
Besides what Jeff said, that toll at the Susquehanna also supports ALL of I-95 from Baltimore to the Delaware line.  MdTA (the toll agency) maintains that entire stretch of I-95...not SHA.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on July 31, 2015, 09:18:35 AM
Besides what Jeff said, that toll at the Susquehanna also supports ALL of I-95 from Baltimore to the Delaware line.  MdTA (the toll agency) maintains that entire stretch of I-95...not SHA.
It's also worth noting that the toll along the parallel Thomas J. Hatem Memorial Bridge (US 40) is also $8 (one-way eastbound).  I believe the MdTA maintains that bridge as well.

Side bar: as of this July 1, there is now a discounted toll rate of $6 for Maryland E-ZPass accounts for both Susquehanna River crossings.  MD Toll Rates Effective July 1, 2015 (http://www.mdta.maryland.gov/News/Documents/MD_Toll_Rates_Effective_July_1.pdf)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on July 31, 2015, 09:30:40 AM
Quote
It's also worth noting that the toll along the parallel Thomas J. Hatem Memorial Bridge (US 40) is also $8 (one-way eastbound).  I believe the MdTA maintains that bridge as well.

Not sure about the toll, but yes MdTA maintains the Hatem Bridge too.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on July 31, 2015, 11:35:03 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS
It's also worth noting that the toll along the parallel Thomas J. Hatem Memorial Bridge (US 40) is also $8 (one-way eastbound).  I believe the MdTA maintains that bridge as well.
Not sure about the toll, but yes MdTA maintains the Hatem Bridge too.
Unless otherwise noted (one of the MD-area AARoaders can confirm/clarify); it's a reasonably logical assumption that if MdTA maintains the bridge, the monies (most if not all) collected from the tolls on that bridge goes to them.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 31, 2015, 12:31:07 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS
It's also worth noting that the toll along the parallel Thomas J. Hatem Memorial Bridge (US 40) is also $8 (one-way eastbound).  I believe the MdTA maintains that bridge as well.
Not sure about the toll, but yes MdTA maintains the Hatem Bridge too.
Unless otherwise noted (one of the MD-area AARoaders can confirm/clarify); it's a reasonably logical assumption that if MdTA maintains the bridge, the monies (most if not all) collected from the tolls on that bridge goes to them.

MdTA does indeed maintain the bridge (they have done several expensive repair projects on it recently, including a big job to strengthen its pier footings in the Susquehanna River), and yes, it collects and keeps the tolls, though it is my understanding that the revenues collected are handled somewhat differently from the other MdTA toll facilities (I do not believe the money is pledged to help to pay holders of MdTA revenue bonds).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on August 01, 2015, 01:04:00 AM
You all ruined a perfectly amusing rant.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on August 03, 2015, 11:35:17 PM
You'll get over it...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on August 05, 2015, 10:56:41 AM
DelDOT to spend more cash than before with new projects (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/2015/08/04/deldot-spend-cash-new-projects/31136201/)

Quote
Delaware’s spending on road projects is expected to rival pre-recession expenditures after a legislative deal allowed transportation officials to move forward on long-planned projects that include an overpass in Frederica, the widening of Del. 1 near the Roth Bridge, and an expanded rail station in Newark.

Delaware funds its capital projects with a mix of state and federal money, but for the next several years the state is expected to spend more of its own money on road construction than it has in years.

The increase in spending, laid out in an estimated $3.4 billion capital transportation plan for 2017 through 2022, will go toward projects that would rid potholes from busy streets, keep aging bridges from crumbling and expanding current routes throughout the state.

Some of those projects include:

- $41.7 million to improve the ramps at the I-95 and SR 141 interchange

- $261 million project to widen Del. 1 from the intersection of SR 273, along the Roth Bridge, to U.S. 13/Tybouts Corner and SR 72

- $29.3 million for the South Frederica overpass that would provide access to the proposed Kent County Sports Complex

- $3.1 million for a connector from Del. 1 to New Road in Lewes to alleviate traffic heading into the beach town
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: noelbotevera on August 05, 2015, 11:19:53 AM
DelDOT to spend more cash than before with new projects (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/2015/08/04/deldot-spend-cash-new-projects/31136201/)

Quote
Delaware’s spending on road projects is expected to rival pre-recession expenditures after a legislative deal allowed transportation officials to move forward on long-planned projects that include an overpass in Frederica, the widening of Del. 1 near the Roth Bridge, and an expanded rail station in Newark.

Delaware funds its capital projects with a mix of state and federal money, but for the next several years the state is expected to spend more of its own money on road construction than it has in years.

The increase in spending, laid out in an estimated $3.4 billion capital transportation plan for 2017 through 2022, will go toward projects that would rid potholes from busy streets, keep aging bridges from crumbling and expanding current routes throughout the state.

Some of those projects include:

- $41.7 million to improve the ramps at the I-95 and SR 141 interchange

- $261 million project to widen Del. 1 from the intersection of SR 273, along the Roth Bridge, to U.S. 13/Tybouts Corner and SR 72

- $29.3 million for the South Frederica overpass that would provide access to the proposed Kent County Sports Complex

- $3.1 million for a connector from Del. 1 to New Road in Lewes to alleviate traffic heading into the beach town
$261 million dollars, see! These palookas! Look at them spending all of this money willy nilly, see! Disgraceful!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadsguy on August 05, 2015, 11:47:14 AM
So when the DE 1 widening is all done, it's going to be six lanes from 95 to 13, and eight lanes from 13 to 72? Too bad they can't really widen the Roth Bridge to get full eight lanes from 301 north...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on August 05, 2015, 11:48:29 AM
So when the DE 1 widening is all done, it's going to be six lanes from 95 to 13, and eight lanes from 13 to 72? Too bad they can't really widen the Roth Bridge to get full eight lanes from 301 north...

The C&D Canal Bridge was designed so that it can be restriped to accommodate eight overall lanes.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 05, 2015, 11:49:19 AM
Quote
Delaware funds its capital projects with a mix of state and federal money, but for the next several years the state is expected to spend more of its own money on road construction than it has in years.

Wonder how much of that "own" money comes from interstate drivers paying the $4 (one-way automobile) Delaware Turnpike toll?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 05, 2015, 11:59:39 AM
Quote
Delaware funds its capital projects with a mix of state and federal money, but for the next several years the state is expected to spend more of its own money on road construction than it has in years.

Wonder how much of that "own" money comes from interstate drivers paying the $4 (one-way automobile) Delaware Turnpike toll?

And the Rt. 1 bridges increased to $3 from $2 on the weekends, no doubt bringing in some decent money as well.

Over the past several years, DelDOT has rebuilt the toll plaza, rebuilt the service plaza, and rebuilt the 95/1 interchange.  There's really nothing in the foreseeable future on the Delaware Turnpike portion of I-95 that needs to be fixed or constructed.  Maybe the only significant project would be at Interchange 3, and that's not going to happen for several years.  So DelDOT can freely spend the 95 toll money around on non-95 related projects for awhile.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on August 05, 2015, 12:08:19 PM
Quote
The C&D Canal Bridge was designed so that it can be restriped to accommodate eight overall lanes.

Downside being you'd lose all of one shoulder and part of the other...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on August 05, 2015, 02:28:36 PM
Would prefer money go to better upgrade the cloverleaf interchange between I-95/DE 141/(US 202) versus the band-aid improvements being made (http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/i95/sr141-i95/index.shtml). At the very least something more should be done to eliminate this ramp merge point (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7008835,-75.6024368,446m/data=!3m1!1e3) (the preferred alternative expands the loop ramp to two lanes).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ekt8750 on August 05, 2015, 03:06:05 PM
Would prefer money go to better upgrade the cloverleaf interchange between I-95/DE 141/(US 202) versus the band-aid improvements being made (http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/i95/sr141-i95/index.shtml). At the very least something more should be done to eliminate this ramp merge point (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7008835,-75.6024368,446m/data=!3m1!1e3) (the preferred alternative expands the loop ramp to two lanes).

They could do something similar to what they did with the I-95/DE 1 interchange. Have two flyover ramps leading off 95 to 141, and tie in access from 295 to the SB ramp. Those clover ramps are just the worst and traffic always spills on to the freeway from them.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on August 18, 2015, 08:51:41 PM
I keep hearing on WDEL during morning rush that the ramp from SB DE 1/7 to SB I-95 is closed.  Why?  Am I hearing that right?  Are they rebuilding the ramp?  I'm reluctant to use delawareonline.com because of the limited number of clicks for nonsubscribers, and I don't know where to look on deldot.gov.

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on August 18, 2015, 09:21:40 PM
I keep hearing on WDEL during morning rush that the ramp from SB DE 1/7 to SB I-95 is closed.  Why?  Am I hearing that right?  Are they rebuilding the ramp?  I'm reluctant to use delawareonline.com because of the limited number of clicks for nonsubscribers, and I don't know where to look on deldot.gov.

ixnay

This is all I could find, and it pertains to the ramp from I-95 North to DE 7 North.

http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=5657

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on August 18, 2015, 09:52:54 PM
I'm reluctant to use delawareonline.com because of the limited number of clicks for nonsubscribers, and I don't know where to look on deldot.gov.

You can get around delawareonline's paywall by opening an incognito tab if you're using Chrome.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: davewiecking on August 29, 2015, 06:36:27 PM
How's the widening project on Route 26 west of Bethany Beach coming along?  I imagine the recent snowstorms put a crimp in the timetable.  How will the project be conducted during the summer?

ixnay

http://www.coastalpoint.com/content/it%E2%80%99s_official_route_26_construction_will_continue_until_september_2016_08_14_2015
Original completion date-6/24/16; contractor George & Lynch has been credited with a total of 75 construction days lost to weather (for which they are not penalized).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on August 30, 2015, 01:20:27 AM
http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=5677 (http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=5677)

Looks like beach traffic is going to get a whole lot messier on Route 1 in the next few years.

Basic rundown:

Thompsonville Road Grade Separated Intersection project is ongoing.
Little Heaven Grade Separated Intersection project begins in October.
South Frederica Grade Separated Intersection project begins spring 2016.
NE Front St Grade Separated Intersection project begins fall 2017.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: noelbotevera on August 30, 2015, 11:23:01 AM
http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=5677 (http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=5677)

Looks like beach traffic is going to get a whole lot messier on Route 1 in the next few years.

Basic rundown:

Thompsonville Road Grade Separated Intersection project is ongoing.
Little Heaven Grade Separated Intersection project begins in October.
South Frederica Grade Separated Intersection project begins spring 2016.
NE Front St Grade Separated Intersection project begins fall 2017.
That's why US 13 is there.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ekt8750 on August 30, 2015, 01:24:47 PM
http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=5677 (http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=5677)

Looks like beach traffic is going to get a whole lot messier on Route 1 in the next few years.

Basic rundown:

Thompsonville Road Grade Separated Intersection project is ongoing.
Little Heaven Grade Separated Intersection project begins in October.
South Frederica Grade Separated Intersection project begins spring 2016.
NE Front St Grade Separated Intersection project begins fall 2017.
That's why US 13 is there.

You mean 113. All of those intersections are south of Dover after the DE1 freeway ends and it doesn't meet up with US 13 at all after that.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on August 31, 2015, 01:44:50 AM
That's why US 13 is there.
No, it really isn't.

You mean 113.
US 113 would only help for the NE Front Street interchange project.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on August 31, 2015, 08:55:10 AM
Given my experience when the North Frederica and DE 30 interchanges were built, the concerns about messy beach traffic are somewhat overblown.  Furthermore, eliminating the Little Heaven and Thompsonville signals as part of the construction will mitigate the traffic concerns as well.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ekt8750 on August 31, 2015, 10:22:12 AM
That's why US 13 is there.
No, it really isn't.

You mean 113.
US 113 would only help for the NE Front Street interchange project.

Depends on which beach you're going to. If you're going to say Ocean City, you're taking US 113 to MD 90 or US 50 anyway.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: davewiecking on August 31, 2015, 10:34:55 PM
That's why US 13 is there.
No, it really isn't.

You mean 113.
US 113 would only help for the NE Front Street interchange project.

Depends on which beach you're going to. If you're going to say Ocean City, you're taking US 113 to MD 90 or US 50 anyway.
or DE 20/54 if you're heading towards OC's north end. And if you're coming across the WPL Mem Br, you're more concerned with the upcoming widening of MD 404, a project which had some surveyor activity this afternoon, and deserves its own thread.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on September 01, 2015, 08:13:20 PM
That's why US 13 is there.
No, it really isn't.

You mean 113.
US 113 would only help for the NE Front Street interchange project.

Depends on which beach you're going to. If you're going to say Ocean City, you're taking US 113 to MD 90 or US 50 anyway.
or DE 20/54 if you're heading towards OC's north end.

Not to mention Fenwick Island.

Or DE 26 if you want to endure the construction zone getting into Bethany Beach from the west.  Pick your poison for Bethany or Indian River:  DE 1 past the outlets or DE 26 past the barrels.

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: davewiecking on September 01, 2015, 08:15:57 PM
Barrels along 26 haven't been much of a problem. Wait until the lane closures resume in a few days...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on September 05, 2015, 08:48:11 AM
Barrels along 26 haven't been much of a problem. Wait until the lane closures resume in a few days...

The jazz funeral on Bethany's boards will still be echoing when blockages return the day after...

http://www.coastalpoint.com/content/daytime_lane_closures_route_26_resume_early_%E2%80%94_sept_8_09_04_2015

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on September 23, 2015, 07:20:01 AM
Will there ever be a bridge between Bowers and South Bowers?  Per Google Maps, they're about 14 miles apart by road although they are across the narrow Murderkill from each other.

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on September 23, 2015, 05:24:41 PM
Will there ever be a bridge between Bowers and South Bowers?  Per Google Maps, they're about 14 miles apart by road although they are across the narrow Murderkill from each other.

ixnay
Doubtful. They'd either have to take property or build over a tributary just beyond the end of South Bowers Rd. I imagine that people living there are fine with the situation, since they chose to live there.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: allniter89 on September 29, 2015, 02:09:58 PM
Will there ever be a bridge between Bowers and South Bowers?  Per Google Maps, they're about 14 miles apart by road although they are across the narrow Murderkill from each other.

ixnay
Doubtful. They'd either have to take property or build over a tributary just beyond the end of South Bowers Rd. I imagine that people living there are fine with the situation, since they chose to live there.
Perhaps the locals use a boat to travel between Bowers & S Bowers.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: davewiecking on September 30, 2015, 07:56:11 PM
DelDOT Debuts High-Friction Surface Treatments Ahead of Storm
http://www.wboc.com/story/30156302/deldot-debuts-high-friction-surface-treatments-ahead-of-storm (http://www.wboc.com/story/30156302/deldot-debuts-high-friction-surface-treatments-ahead-of-storm)

Kind of misleading. Headline seems to indicate that DelDOT has found a way to keep people from skidding during times such as this weekend when the forecast calls for 12" of rain over several days. In reality, they are in the middle of a 3 year project to treat some problem areas, and are going to pause the project for the upcoming Nor'Easter followed by Hurricane Joaquin. Should be an interesting weekend...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on October 01, 2015, 07:06:40 PM
Will there ever be a bridge between Bowers and South Bowers?  Per Google Maps, they're about 14 miles apart by road although they are across the narrow Murderkill from each other.

ixnay
Doubtful. They'd either have to take property or build over a tributary just beyond the end of South Bowers Rd. I imagine that people living there are fine with the situation, since they chose to live there.
Perhaps the locals use a boat to travel between Bowers & S Bowers.

Given the long drive around, it (a boat) would surely come in handy.

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on November 11, 2015, 12:04:49 AM
DelDOT has apparently broken ground on the DE 1 Little Heaven Grade Separated Intersection:

http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=5793 (http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=5793)

I'm looking forward to its completion, the current setup is notorious for causing miles long backups during he summer months.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on November 11, 2015, 07:47:31 AM
DelDOT has apparently broken ground on the DE 1 Little Heaven Grade Separated Intersection:

http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=5793 (http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=5793)

I'm looking forward to its completion, the current setup is notorious for causing miles long backups during he summer months.

From the link...

"Today, DelDOT also invited state officials to help unveil a new slogan to celebrate the upcoming work to make Delaware's roadways safer and more efficient. The slogan, "Making strides to improve your ride," will be displayed at DelDOT worksites throughout the state."

At least one other state has taken notice of Maryland's rhyming greeting signs at construction zones (the Free State has been using them for at least 20 years)...

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mariethefoxy on November 30, 2015, 11:13:38 AM
I was down in Delmar over thanksgiving, if Route 54 is on the border line between Delaware and Maryland, how do they decide if it has the Delaware shield or the Maryland one. the segment in downtown Delmar has the MD shield, but closer to US 13 it has the DE shield.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: J N Winkler on November 30, 2015, 11:47:47 AM
Those types of situations tend to be handled on a case-by-case basis by agreement and it is often the case that one state undertakes to construct and maintain route segments that lie entirely outside its own territory, with the agreement and cooperation of the other state (e.g. the approximate one-mile segment of Wyoming SR 70 that actually lies in Colorado).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on November 30, 2015, 12:14:50 PM
In the case of MD/DE 54, it's similar to what J N describes:  the route shield (MD or DE) corresponds to who has maintenance/jurisdiction over that segment.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: noelbotevera on November 30, 2015, 12:20:13 PM
In the case of MD/DE 54, it's similar to what J N describes:  the route shield (MD or DE) corresponds to who has maintenance/jurisdiction over that segment.
Does that mean there's DE shields on the MD side of the border and vice versa?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on November 30, 2015, 12:31:25 PM
Yep.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mariethefoxy on December 01, 2015, 01:47:42 AM
also on the subject of Delmar, Bi-State Blvd on google maps is Alt US 13 but there are no signs on it to indicate that, is that a former Alt route or just an error on google maps?

MD 675 is pretty well signed however. (The Maryland part of Bi-State Blvd)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 01, 2015, 10:26:16 AM
also on the subject of Delmar, Bi-State Blvd on google maps is Alt US 13 but there are no signs on it to indicate that, is that a former Alt route or just an error on google maps?

MD 675 is pretty well signed however. (The Maryland part of Bi-State Blvd)

That may have been U.S. 13 itself in the very distant past.  I do not ever recall seeing it signed as U.S. 13 or U.S. 13 Alternate, but others here know Delaware better than I.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 01, 2015, 11:08:01 AM
also on the subject of Delmar, Bi-State Blvd on google maps is Alt US 13 but there are no signs on it to indicate that, is that a former Alt route or just an error on google maps?

MD 675 is pretty well signed however. (The Maryland part of Bi-State Blvd)

That may have been U.S. 13 itself in the very distant past.  I do not ever recall seeing it signed as U.S. 13 or U.S. 13 Alternate, but others here know Delaware better than I.

It's looking like it probably was US 13 at some point.  Using this classification map, the DelDOT control number is 13.  Looking around, the number sometime matches the route number; sometimes it doesn't.  http://deldot.gov/information/pubs_forms/func_maps/pdf/FC3SC.pdf .  And looking thru this list, there's no 13A.  http://www.deldot.gov/information/pubs_forms/manuals/traffic_counts/2014/pdf/2014_Sussex_CountyRLTable.pdf  So there's probably a good chance it never was Alt US 13.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 09, 2015, 07:21:33 PM
US 301 spur if anything at all. I could see it being signed as "TO 301" and "TO 896" for south / northbound traffic respectively.
Won't DelDOT have to sign Alternate U.S. 301 somewhere when they get the "new" (and tolled) U.S. 301 completed?

Do you remember U.S. 301 North and U.S. 301 South in Delaware?

Not personally, I wasn't around for that but I am aware of the history lol



Apparently the DRBA is on the verge of starting another I-295 / US 13 / US 40 interchange project.  This time they're moving the US 13 N > I-295 S from its current u-turn ramp configuration to a traditional cloverleaf on the other side of the interstate, adding a third lane to I-295 S for a consistent 3 lanes through the interchange, and tweaking a few other minor things.

Delaware Online article (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2015/12/09/-295-commuters-face-34-months-road-work/77009828/)
PDF of the DRBA's plans (http://www.drba.net/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=sXUcWX4n2yI%3d&tabid=39)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadsguy on December 10, 2015, 07:03:01 PM
I was wondering if there were any active plans to do anything with the grading and stub for the NB-SB loop ramp in that interchange. Guess this answers that. I take it removing the useless I-295 SB bridge over nothing from the old configuration is part of that project?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on December 10, 2015, 08:35:36 PM
I was wondering if there were any active plans to do anything with the grading and stub for the NB-SB loop ramp in that interchange. Guess this answers that. I take it removing the useless I-295 SB bridge over nothing from the old configuration is part of that project?

Both southbound bridges pass over long abandoned railroads. The northbound spans were removed when they reconstructed I-295 previously, so they should removed. The eastern one however will be the location of a new greenway tunnel.

Apparently the DRBA is on the verge of starting another I-295 / US 13 / US 40 interchange project.  This time they're moving the US 13 N > I-295 S from its current u-turn ramp configuration to a traditional cloverleaf on the other side of the interstate, adding a third lane to I-295 S for a consistent 3 lanes through the interchange, and tweaking a few other minor things.

The right-hand loop ramp from US 13 north to I-295 south is long overdue. I'm surprised that the outdated u-ramp lasted that long.
That pending detour using the loop ramps at DE 9 will be a pain though.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on December 10, 2015, 09:58:56 PM
Anyone care to guess what DE will number the spur to the Summit Point Bridge while we are at it?

US 301 spur if anything at all. I could see it being signed as "TO 301" and "TO 896" for south / northbound traffic respectively.

Won't DelDOT have to sign Alternate U.S. 301 somewhere when they get the "new" (and tolled) U.S. 301 completed?

Do you remember U.S. 301 North and U.S. 301 South in Delaware?

According to this - http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us301/pdfs/Section_4BC_Roll_Maps_9-6-2011_1.pdf - it will be 301 SPUR

Mike
Has Delaware ever had a SPUR route before?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 10, 2015, 10:33:30 PM
Anyone care to guess what DE will number the spur to the Summit Point Bridge while we are at it?

US 301 spur if anything at all. I could see it being signed as "TO 301" and "TO 896" for south / northbound traffic respectively.

Won't DelDOT have to sign Alternate U.S. 301 somewhere when they get the "new" (and tolled) U.S. 301 completed?

Do you remember U.S. 301 North and U.S. 301 South in Delaware?

According to this - http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us301/pdfs/Section_4BC_Roll_Maps_9-6-2011_1.pdf - it will be 301 SPUR

Mike
Has Delaware ever had a SPUR route before?
Not that I recall.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadsguy on December 10, 2015, 11:52:38 PM
I was wondering if there were any active plans to do anything with the grading and stub for the NB-SB loop ramp in that interchange. Guess this answers that. I take it removing the useless I-295 SB bridge over nothing from the old configuration is part of that project?

Both southbound bridges pass over long abandoned railroads. The northbound spans were removed when they reconstructed I-295 previously, so they should removed. The eastern one however will be the location of a new greenway tunnel.

I didn't mean the old rail bridge, I meant this one (https://goo.gl/maps/cR4xvF3uXMk) that once carried the directional ramp from 13 SB to 295 NB as seen here (http://historicaerials.com:?layer=2002&zoom=17&lat=39.698651594301055&lon=-75.57207584381104 via @historicaerials).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 11, 2015, 06:30:47 AM
Note:  Please direct any posts about the US 301 project over to the new topic.  If no other moderator or admin gets to it first, later today I will dig through and find all the posts that pertain to that particular project and move them there. 

EDIT:Also I left the SPUR Route in DE conversation not exactly related to the project in here.
-Mark 

New topic: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17015.0 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17015.0)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on December 11, 2015, 09:28:35 AM
Has Delaware ever had a SPUR route before?
Not that I recall.

The formal name of the Delaware 141 reroute at Blue Ball is "Route 141 Spur". That is a close as they get with a spur route in the state.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 11, 2015, 10:37:46 AM
Apparently the DRBA is on the verge of starting another I-295 / US 13 / US 40 interchange project.  This time they're moving the US 13 N > I-295 S from its current u-turn ramp configuration to a traditional cloverleaf on the other side of the interstate, adding a third lane to I-295 S for a consistent 3 lanes through the interchange, and tweaking a few other minor things.

Delaware Online article (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2015/12/09/-295-commuters-face-34-months-road-work/77009828/)
PDF of the DRBA's plans (http://www.drba.net/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=sXUcWX4n2yI%3d&tabid=39)

You can make the sink (295) as wide as you want, but without increasing the drain (2 lanes onto 95), the net result isn't going to improve conditions much.

The best improvement resulting from this construction will be the ability to maintain the same two lanes from the toll plaza area to 95 South.  Currently, due to the lane formed via the US 13 N to 295 S ramp, traffic in 295 South's right lane after the US 13/40 split has to merge to the left. 

I wished they would restripe the lanes leading away from the toll plaza as well.  Using https://goo.gl/maps/ktxJYpSB4aJ2, you can see there are currently 13 lanes in the toll plaza.  Generally, the left 3 (sometimes 4) lanes are EZ Pass Only, and lanes 10 & 11 towards the right are EZ Pass Only as well.

However, the left 5 lanes eventually all merge into 1 lane.  Lane 6 is striped so that no traffic has to merge into it.  Same with Lane 7.  Lane 8 maintains it's own lane as well, but traffic from Lanes 9 - 13 are forced to merge into it because those lanes lead up to the C/D Exit lane for Route 9. 

The net result is 2 of the 13 lanes have their own departing lane, and the other 11 departing lanes have to squeeze into the other 2 lanes.

It'll be much better to make the lanes merge more evenly:  Lanes 1 - 3 all merge into 1 lane.  Lanes 4 - 6, 7-9 & 10 - 13 can do the same.  The major issue today is that the majority of people using EZ Pass are using the left lanes, and have to merge right.  Those on the right from the cash lanes are merging left...and many times will merge left too far not realizing they were in the lanes that continue, and actually have to merge slightly right again.

Ironically, approaching the toll plaza, the stripping pattern provides for an even distribution of traffic, and works well.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 11, 2015, 01:03:33 PM
Has Delaware ever had a SPUR route before?
Not that I recall.

The formal name of the Delaware 141 reroute at Blue Ball is "Route 141 Spur". That is a close as they get with a spur route in the state.
Oh yea, they ended up just signing it as the mainline so I completely forgot about that.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on December 11, 2015, 09:40:14 PM
Back to the I-295 project... that DRBA link seems to indicate that the soon to be closed horseshoe ramp from NB 13 to SB 295 is just going to stand and rot for a year before it's dismantled, right?

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 11, 2015, 10:07:19 PM
Back to the I-295 project... that DRBA link seems to indicate that the soon to be closed horseshoe ramp from NB 13 to SB 295 is just going to stand and rot for a year before it's dismantled, right?

ixnay

It could be more than that, they didn't specify when exactly the ramp will close to begin with, it could be anywhere from now to this time next year.  They also didn't specify when exactly they'll be done with removing it, so it could be anywhere between 1 - 3 years closure to removal completion.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on December 16, 2015, 06:42:44 PM
Thinking more on this and ignoring those inane ALT and Truck routes that have appeared on the state map over the last 15 years, Delaware has not designated a new state route in quite a long time. SR 279 was just a renumber of SR 2, and its so poorly signed, they might as well have signed it as TO MD 279 and TO DE 4.

Scarborough Road was completed, but left unnumbered. The Puncheon Run Connector was never numbered. It appears the West Dover Connector currently under construction will not get a number. SR 141 was eventually rerouted over what was SR 141 Spur in name, with no new stretch numbered. Is DelDOT done designating new state routes?

Anyone care to guess what DE will number the spur to the Summit Point Bridge while we are at it?

US 301 spur if anything at all. I could see it being signed as "TO 301" and "TO 896" for south / northbound traffic respectively.

A comparison can be made to unsigned I-495 in Maine, with its signage just reflecting TO I-95 westbound and TO I-295 eastbound. From a road enthusiast point of view :thumbdown:
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 17, 2015, 01:30:57 AM
SR 279 was just a renumber of SR 2, and its so poorly signed, they might as well have signed it as TO MD 279 and TO DE 4.

But they've had no problem leaving up DE 2 shields from the state route's pre-1988 routing through Newark...
(unless that's Newark's fault, either way it's still ironic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on December 17, 2015, 08:00:55 AM
SR 279 was just a renumber of SR 2, and its so poorly signed, they might as well have signed it as TO MD 279 and TO DE 4.

But they've had no problem leaving up DE 2 shields from the state route's pre-1988 routing through Newark...
(unless that's Newark's fault, either way it's still ironic)

I made an effort on my last trip home to document all the remaining ones in Newark. Let's hope the 2di shields for SR 273 continue to live on.

(http://www.aaroads.com/shields/img/DE/DE19702732i1.jpg)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 17, 2015, 12:44:45 PM
SR 279 was just a renumber of SR 2, and its so poorly signed, they might as well have signed it as TO MD 279 and TO DE 4.

But they've had no problem leaving up DE 2 shields from the state route's pre-1988 routing through Newark...
(unless that's Newark's fault, either way it's still ironic)

I made an effort on my last trip home to document all the remaining ones in Newark. Let's hope the 2di shields for SR 273 continue to live on.

(http://www.aaroads.com/shields/img/DE/DE19702732i1.jpg)
Those are still alive and well, I walk past them practically everyday.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on December 19, 2015, 09:34:26 PM
I didn't know about this detour until I was on my way home from Bethany Beach tonight...

http://bridgeville.delaware.gov/road-closure-portion-of-state-route-404/

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ma+%26+Pa's+Market/@38.7740983,-75.659721,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x89b88b314a06c427:0x229e0e2be7f296c2!5m1!1e1!8s0ALHuxZqsVlPON8AkqKfFIXQvWzWXGyHqEAChF3d3cuZm9vZGxpb24uY29tLxKyAWh0dHA6Ly9jbGlja3NlcnZlLmRhcnRzZWFyY2gubmV0L2xpbmsvY2xpY2s_bGlkPTQzNzAwMDA3MDE1NDEyNDIwJmRzX3Nfa3dnaWQ9NTg3MDAwMDA0OTE1NzYyMTAmZHNfZV9hZGlkPTgzMzQxMjM0MDMzJmRzX2VfbWF0Y2h0eXBlPXNlYXJjaCZkc19lX2RldmljZT1jJmRzX2VfbmV0d29yaz1nJmRzX3VybF92PTIaGEZvb2RMaW9uLmNvbSAtIEZvb2QgTGlvbiIjRWFzeSwgRnJlc2ggJiBBZmZvcmRhYmxlIEdyb2Nlcmllcy4qIlN0YXJ0IFNhdmluZyBUb2RheSB3aXRoIEZvb2QgTGlvbiE

The detour is still up, so obviously acts of God among other things have done havoc with the schedule.

BTW what's a "crossroad pipe"?

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: davewiecking on December 20, 2015, 12:23:53 AM
I didn't know about this detour until I was on my way home from Bethany Beach tonight...

http://bridgeville.delaware.gov/road-closure-portion-of-state-route-404/

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ma+%26+Pa's+Market/@38.7740983,-75.659721,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x89b88b314a06c427:0x229e0e2be7f296c2!5m1!1e1!8s0ALHuxZqsVlPON8AkqKfFIXQvWzWXGyHqEAChF3d3cuZm9vZGxpb24uY29tLxKyAWh0dHA6Ly9jbGlja3NlcnZlLmRhcnRzZWFyY2gubmV0L2xpbmsvY2xpY2s_bGlkPTQzNzAwMDA3MDE1NDEyNDIwJmRzX3Nfa3dnaWQ9NTg3MDAwMDA0OTE1NzYyMTAmZHNfZV9hZGlkPTgzMzQxMjM0MDMzJmRzX2VfbWF0Y2h0eXBlPXNlYXJjaCZkc19lX2RldmljZT1jJmRzX2VfbmV0d29yaz1nJmRzX3VybF92PTIaGEZvb2RMaW9uLmNvbSAtIEZvb2QgTGlvbiIjRWFzeSwgRnJlc2ggJiBBZmZvcmRhYmxlIEdyb2Nlcmllcy4qIlN0YXJ0IFNhdmluZyBUb2RheSB3aXRoIEZvb2QgTGlvbiE

The detour is still up, so obviously acts of God among other things have done havoc with the schedule.

BTW what's a "crossroad pipe"?

ixnay
Been annoying for a month now. Was even more so Thursday, because work was supposed to be done by now as you note. Corrugated drainage pipe rusted out, I believe. I'm on a DelDOT mailing list, and it seems they're always doing one of these somewhere, with accompanying closures and detours.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on December 22, 2015, 07:55:50 PM
I didn't know about this detour until I was on my way home from Bethany Beach tonight...

http://bridgeville.delaware.gov/road-closure-portion-of-state-route-404/

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ma+%26+Pa's+Market/@38.7740983,-75.659721,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x89b88b314a06c427:0x229e0e2be7f296c2!5m1!1e1!8s0ALHuxZqsVlPON8AkqKfFIXQvWzWXGyHqEAChF3d3cuZm9vZGxpb24uY29tLxKyAWh0dHA6Ly9jbGlja3NlcnZlLmRhcnRzZWFyY2gubmV0L2xpbmsvY2xpY2s_bGlkPTQzNzAwMDA3MDE1NDEyNDIwJmRzX3Nfa3dnaWQ9NTg3MDAwMDA0OTE1NzYyMTAmZHNfZV9hZGlkPTgzMzQxMjM0MDMzJmRzX2VfbWF0Y2h0eXBlPXNlYXJjaCZkc19lX2RldmljZT1jJmRzX2VfbmV0d29yaz1nJmRzX3VybF92PTIaGEZvb2RMaW9uLmNvbSAtIEZvb2QgTGlvbiIjRWFzeSwgRnJlc2ggJiBBZmZvcmRhYmxlIEdyb2Nlcmllcy4qIlN0YXJ0IFNhdmluZyBUb2RheSB3aXRoIEZvb2QgTGlvbiE

The detour is still up, so obviously acts of God among other things have done havoc with the schedule.

BTW what's a "crossroad pipe"?

ixnay
Been annoying for a month now. Was even more so Thursday, because work was supposed to be done by now as you note. Corrugated drainage pipe rusted out, I believe. I'm on a DelDOT mailing list, and it seems they're always doing one of these somewhere, with accompanying closures and detours.

I just signed up for that list.  I don't how long you have been on that list, dave, but when detours are lifted, does DelDOT notify you?

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: davewiecking on December 23, 2015, 10:39:13 AM
I just signed up for that list.  I don't how long you have been on that list, dave, but when detours are lifted, does DelDOT notify you?
ixnay
About a decade. Generally they don't notify you when a project is wrapped up and a detour lifted, unless they're quite proud of something they've done. On the other hand, announcing that the detour has been extended probably should have been done. I just received notification of the posting of a 12/16/15 Press Release stating that the closure at the intersection of DE 20 with US 113 is scheduled to run until Jan 22, which is nice know, but I wish they'd have done the same for the extended work project on DE 404, which is now a week beyond its projected 4 week closure. (I think the DE20/US113 closure was originally announced as lasting 2 weeks, but they've pulled the original Press Release from the website. Today's received press release (dated a week ago) makes only inferential mention of the original schedule.  It's now scheduled for 6 weeks.)
The link you posted earlier from the town of Bridgeville has a much different detour than the one that DelDOT has signed along 404 and 36. And neither one is the shortest one that I've been using the past month, which admittedly uses some rather narrow roads that are a bit challenging with oncoming semis...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: davewiecking on December 23, 2015, 10:51:25 AM
I was down in Delmar over thanksgiving, if Route 54 is on the border line between Delaware and Maryland, how do they decide if it has the Delaware shield or the Maryland one. the segment in downtown Delmar has the MD shield, but closer to US 13 it has the DE shield.
And at the risk of having 2 posts in a row (on different DE topics), I drove 54 westbound a few days ago, and while I wasn't taking notes as I drove, I did remember seeing 2 MD 54 signs on posts stuck into DE soil, but only 1 such DE 54 (I wasn't closely checking my rear view mirror to see what was posted eastbound in MD soil). Most of this road is clearly in DE (except of course the part west of the state), but the stretch between Delmar and Gumboro Road (named E. Line Rd) is basically on the border. MD seems to have jurisdiction/maintenance over the eastern half of this stretch, mostly because it does veer into MD to avoid the Line Church Cemetery. There's a subtle change in the pavement just about the location of the DE 54 sign, making me think that DE maintains the stretch from there to Delmar.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NJRoadfan on December 25, 2015, 08:04:22 PM
PDF detailing the improvements and construction phases on I-295
http://www.drba.net/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=sXUcWX4n2yI%3d&tabid=39

It appears that the connection to I-295 south to I-95 south will be widened to 3 lanes.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on December 25, 2015, 09:17:31 PM
I'm not seeing that.  The only widening they specify is that there'll be a 3rd lane southbound over US 13.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 25, 2015, 10:08:00 PM
PDF detailing the improvements and construction phases on I-295
http://www.drba.net/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=sXUcWX4n2yI%3d&tabid=39

It appears that the connection to I-295 south to I-95 south will be widened to 3 lanes.

It doesn't say that at all.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 30, 2015, 03:12:30 PM
I drove DE 1 through the now mostly finished auxiliary lane project between US 40 and DE 273 and took a couple pictures of the signs that went up in conjunction with the project.  The gantries are (at least from what I've seen, correct me if I'm wrong) new to the state, but the signs themselves leave something to be desired.

(http://i.imgur.com/yb0NqSj.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/lz5NB98.png)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on December 30, 2015, 03:31:25 PM
I drove DE 1 through the now mostly finished auxiliary lane project between US 40 and DE 273 and took a couple pictures of the signs that went up in conjunction with the project.  The gantries are (at least from what I've seen, correct me if I'm wrong) new to the state, but the signs themselves leave something to be desired.

Bob C. shared a pic of one with me a few weeks ago and stated the same thing about them being the first monotubes used in Delaware. I concur with both of you.

As for the design, at least they don't read "MUST EXIT", but they have the usual misuses of Clearview.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 30, 2015, 03:45:02 PM
I drove DE 1 through the now mostly finished auxiliary lane project between US 40 and DE 273 and took a couple pictures of the signs that went up in conjunction with the project.  The gantries are (at least from what I've seen, correct me if I'm wrong) new to the state, but the signs themselves leave something to be desired.

Bob C. shared a pic of one with me a few weeks ago and stated the same thing about them being the first monotubes used in Delaware. I concur with both of you.

As for the design, at least they don't read "MUST EXIT", but they have the usual misuses of Clearview.

I was gonna say, the awkward spacing and sizing kind of reminded me of those signs on the Newport Viaduct.  The lettering isn't nearly as horrid, but nonetheless..

(http://i.imgur.com/gG7DaPA.png)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: davewiecking on December 30, 2015, 06:51:23 PM
I just signed up for that list.  I don't how long you have been on that list, dave, but when detours are lifted, does DelDOT notify you?

ixnay
Consider yourself notified. New culvert is MUCH wider than just road width.
(DE20 still closed at US113.)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on January 08, 2016, 05:24:16 PM
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2016/01/08/bridge-connect-riverfront-south-wilmington/78428348/ (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2016/01/08/bridge-connect-riverfront-south-wilmington/78428348/)

Per DelawareOnline, funding has been secured for the new Christina River crossing at the Wilmington Riverfront, to be dubbed 'New Sweden St.'  Alongside this news came a flyover + ground level animation of the proposal.  DelDOT seems to be pointing to a Summer 2017 start and Fall 2018 completion for the entire project.

Hopefully the new signage isn't as bad as the animation's.  :ded:
(http://i.imgur.com/aDGdFhQ.png)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on January 08, 2016, 06:31:01 PM
http://www.delawareonline.com/videos/news/local/2016/01/08/78505014/ (http://www.delawareonline.com/videos/news/local/2016/01/08/78505014/)

Per DelawareOnline, funding has been secured for the new Christina River crossing at the Wilmington Riverfront, to be dubbed 'New Sweden St.'  Alongside this news came a flyover + ground level animation of the proposal.  DelDOT seems to be pointing to a Summer 2017 start and Fall 2018 completion for the entire project.

Hopefully the new signage isn't as bad as the animation's.  :ded:
(http://i.imgur.com/aDGdFhQ.png)


Will take that signage over the either non existant signage for US 13 Business elsewhere in Wilmington,  or the many references to the route as mainline US 13.

Didn't know about this bridge otherwise. I was surprised to find that new shopping center between Walnut and Market when browsing through GSV. Looks like the long range goal is to replace more of the old industrial landscape with new development.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mariethefoxy on January 08, 2016, 09:32:20 PM
with the talk of Massachusetts moving to mileage based exits and Connecticut moving towards that eventually, are there any plans for Delaware to move to mileage based exits? My wish list would be if they could remove those confusing kilometer exit numbers on Route 1 and replace them with proper mileage based exits. I doubt the USA is moving to the metric system any time soon.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on January 08, 2016, 10:18:32 PM
with the talk of Massachusetts moving to mileage based exits and Connecticut moving towards that eventually, are there any plans for Delaware to move to mileage based exits? My wish list would be if they could remove those confusing kilometer exit numbers on Route 1 and replace them with proper mileage based exits. I doubt the USA is moving to the metric system any time soon.

I haven't seen any talk about this from DelDOT.  All of the new interchanges along DE 1 have been either signed with kilometer based exit numbers, or simply none at all (DE 30).  Future exits, such as the US 301 toll road, also have kilometer based numbers.  As for the interstates (which are signed with sequential exit numbers), they aren't adding any new interchanges so the inevitable shifting of exit numbers that would occur upon the addition of a new exit isn't spurring the conversation at all.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: noelbotevera on January 09, 2016, 06:23:19 AM
with the talk of Massachusetts moving to mileage based exits and Connecticut moving towards that eventually, are there any plans for Delaware to move to mileage based exits? My wish list would be if they could remove those confusing kilometer exit numbers on Route 1 and replace them with proper mileage based exits. I doubt the USA is moving to the metric system any time soon.

I haven't seen any talk about this from DelDOT.  All of the new interchanges along DE 1 have been either signed with kilometer based exit numbers, or simply none at all (DE 30).  Future exits, such as the US 301 toll road, also have kilometer based numbers.  As for the interstates (which are signed with sequential exit numbers), they aren't adding any new interchanges so the inevitable shifting of exit numbers that would occur upon the addition of a new exit isn't spurring the conversation at all.
So all of the mileage based signs that remain will stay, and won't be replaced by kilometer based numbering, but new projects will have the kilometer based numbering (that involves building freeways)?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on January 09, 2016, 01:08:03 PM
with the talk of Massachusetts moving to mileage based exits and Connecticut moving towards that eventually, are there any plans for Delaware to move to mileage based exits? My wish list would be if they could remove those confusing kilometer exit numbers on Route 1 and replace them with proper mileage based exits. I doubt the USA is moving to the metric system any time soon.

I haven't seen any talk about this from DelDOT.  All of the new interchanges along DE 1 have been either signed with kilometer based exit numbers, or simply none at all (DE 30).  Future exits, such as the US 301 toll road, also have kilometer based numbers.  As for the interstates (which are signed with sequential exit numbers), they aren't adding any new interchanges so the inevitable shifting of exit numbers that would occur upon the addition of a new exit isn't spurring the conversation at all.
So all of the mileage based signs that remain will stay, and won't be replaced by kilometer based numbering, but new projects will have the kilometer based numbering (that involves building freeways)?

We're not talking about mile markers, we're talking about exit numbers of which there are none that are based on mileage.  I-95 / 495 has sequential exit numbers, and DE 1 has kilometer based exit numbers.  Nothing is being replaced because none of those roads are changing their exit numbering systems.

Unrelated, but I just checked and it appears that the US 301 toll road will have mileage based exit numbers. Hmm..
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mariethefoxy on January 09, 2016, 02:38:44 PM
Isnt there some sorta federal mandate they have to comply with? As far as conversion they have a pretty easy time since they only have 3 freeways with sequential numbers (I-95, I-495, DE 141) and they aren't very long nor do they have a lot of exits.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: vdeane on January 09, 2016, 04:58:05 PM
Given that distance signs and milemarkers are in miles on DE 1, IMO DE 1 should switch to mile-based exit numbers.  It's confusing to have them be km-based when everything else is in miles.

Also, DE 141's exit numbers would appear to not need changing for a mile-based system based on the measuring I did on Google Maps.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mariethefoxy on January 09, 2016, 11:08:47 PM
Given that distance signs and milemarkers are in miles on DE 1, IMO DE 1 should switch to mile-based exit numbers.  It's confusing to have them be km-based when everything else is in miles.

Also, DE 141's exit numbers would appear to not need changing for a mile-based system based on the measuring I did on Google Maps.

theyre off slightly. If you go by wikipedia it should be:

Exit 1A-B -  US 13/40 Wilmington Dover
Exit 2A - I-295 North Delaware Memorial Bridge
Exit 2B - I-95/495 US 202 Wilmington
Exit 2C - I-95 South Newark Baltimore
Exit 3A - S James Street Airport Road
Exit 3B - DE 4 Newport Stanton
Exit 4 - DE 62 Boxwood Road
Exit 5A-B - DE 2/41 Elsmere Newark
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: vdeane on January 10, 2016, 06:59:25 PM
Only if you round down.  IMO that's a terrible way to do mile-based numbers - they should be rounded to the nearest milepost, even if that's the next milepost instead of the previous one.  Airport Rd (and by extension DE 4) would still be off under a strict interpretation, but I'd be fine with them the way they are.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on January 10, 2016, 11:50:14 PM
Only if you round down.  IMO that's a terrible way to do mile-based numbers - they should be rounded to the nearest milepost, even if that's the next milepost instead of the previous one.  Airport Rd (and by extension DE 4) would still be off under a strict interpretation, but I'd be fine with them the way they are.
IMO it doesn't matter one iota which method you choose, as long as you're consistent.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 11, 2016, 06:17:09 AM
Given that distance signs and milemarkers are in miles on DE 1, IMO DE 1 should switch to mile-based exit numbers.  It's confusing to have them be km-based when everything else is in miles.

Also, DE 141's exit numbers would appear to not need changing for a mile-based system based on the measuring I did on Google Maps.

theyre off slightly. If you go by wikipedia it should be:

Exit 1A-B -  US 13/40 Wilmington Dover
Exit 2A - I-295 North Delaware Memorial Bridge
Exit 2B - I-95/495 US 202 Wilmington
Exit 2C - I-95 South Newark Baltimore
Exit 3A - S James Street Airport Road
Exit 3B - DE 4 Newport Stanton
Exit 4 - DE 62 Boxwood Road
Exit 5A-B - DE 2/41 Elsmere Newark

In the traditional sense, US 13/40 isn't really a numbered interchange because it's in a local, non-highway area where interchanges generally aren't numbered. I wouldn't have an issue with it being signed as Exit 1A/B though.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on January 11, 2016, 11:26:36 PM
http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=5869 (http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=5869)

And so it begins.
Construction on Delaware's first DDI will begin early this spring.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 22, 2016, 09:46:07 AM
http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=5949 (http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=5949)

And yet another interchange project has begun, the South Frederica interchange on DE 1 started the other day.  We now have 4 major interchange projects going on at once on DE 1, woo!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ekt8750 on March 22, 2016, 11:48:40 AM
http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=5949 (http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=5949)

And yet another interchange project has begun, the South Frederica interchange on DE 1 started the other day.  We now have 4 major interchange projects going on at once on DE 1, woo!

Great to hear! Is the goal to eliminate all of the at grade intersections in that corridor? I go to the DE Beaches and OCMD a lot and I know how DE 1 gets on its bad days.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on March 22, 2016, 06:56:29 PM
Quote
Great to hear! Is the goal to eliminate all of the at grade intersections in that corridor? I go to the DE Beaches and OCMD a lot and I know how DE 1 gets on its bad days.

Not really.  The goal appears to be to eliminate existing signals and prevent new signals from being needed, but the goal does not appear to be full access control.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 23, 2016, 04:14:45 PM
Quote
Great to hear! Is the goal to eliminate all of the at grade intersections in that corridor? I go to the DE Beaches and OCMD a lot and I know how DE 1 gets on its bad days.

Not really.  The goal appears to be to eliminate existing signals and prevent new signals from being needed, but the goal does not appear to be full access control.
The overall quality of some of the ramps points to this also, they're a lot narrower and the corners are a lot tighter than ramps you'd see on a corridor that's supposed to be converted to a full freeway.  The DE 9 interchange comes to mind, I've used the southbound DE 1 on ramp a couple times and the merge is just uncomfortable between the sharp corner and the lack of a real shoulder.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1052469,-75.4554772,3a,75y,104.03h,79.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_XZLpTJ4fe-BCnl4Ko994g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1052469,-75.4554772,3a,75y,104.03h,79.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_XZLpTJ4fe-BCnl4Ko994g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mariethefoxy on April 19, 2016, 02:56:11 AM
Quote
Great to hear! Is the goal to eliminate all of the at grade intersections in that corridor? I go to the DE Beaches and OCMD a lot and I know how DE 1 gets on its bad days.

Not really.  The goal appears to be to eliminate existing signals and prevent new signals from being needed, but the goal does not appear to be full access control.

is the end result some sort of Jersey freeway type arrangement?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on April 19, 2016, 07:31:44 AM
No.  The goal is an arterial with fewer traffic signals.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 19, 2016, 07:44:19 AM
with the talk of Massachusetts moving to mileage based exits and Connecticut moving towards that eventually, are there any plans for Delaware to move to mileage based exits? My wish list would be if they could remove those confusing kilometer exit numbers on Route 1 and replace them with proper mileage based exits. I doubt the USA is moving to the metric system any time soon.

A better idea - get rid of the U.S. customary units of measurement. 

In spite of what right wing radio talk show hosts want people to think, a very large part of the U.S. economy is already metric, including liquor and wine, nearly all motor vehicle parts and all pharmaceuticals. 

Anything that a U.S. manufacturer hopes to sell in an EU nation must be made using Metric dimensions, which means that in most cases, it is easier for them to just build everything using those dimensions.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on April 19, 2016, 08:30:17 AM
with the talk of Massachusetts moving to mileage based exits and Connecticut moving towards that eventually, are there any plans for Delaware to move to mileage based exits? My wish list would be if they could remove those confusing kilometer exit numbers on Route 1 and replace them with proper mileage based exits. I doubt the USA is moving to the metric system any time soon.

A better idea - get rid of the U.S. customary units of measurement. 

In spite of what right wing radio talk show hosts want people to think, a very large part of the U.S. economy is already metric, including liquor and wine, nearly all motor vehicle parts and all pharmaceuticals. 

And soda, which strangely use both measurements.  2 liter bottles & 20 oz bottles, 12 oz cans and 500ml (16.9oz) bottles.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on April 19, 2016, 08:32:22 AM
And we could bring up the 3-1-1 at the airports, which actually shorts us.  In the rest of the world, it's 100ml, which is actually 3.4oz (and what is permitted, but good luck with most people understanding that).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: vdeane on April 19, 2016, 01:20:07 PM
I don't care what measurement system DE 1 uses, as long as it uses the same one for exit numbers, distance signage, and milemarkers.  Either put the distance signage and milemarkers back to km or switch the exit numbers to miles.  I can work with miles, I can work with km, but I can't convert between the two willy-nilly; when in Canada, I drop the US units and think in metric (where I'm familiar enough with the metric to do that, which in practice means distance signs and speed limits, but not gas stations, weather reports, or thermostats), but with DE 1, one has to constantly convert the km-based exit numbers back to miles in order for them to be useful.  When I traveled that road, I had no reference to neither how close I was to my destination nor how many exits were in between.  At least everywhere else, I'd have one or the other.

And I-95 and I-495 should really be switched off of sequential (I'd like to see exit numbers on I-295 as well).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PurdueBill on April 20, 2016, 08:15:10 PM
I don't care what measurement system DE 1 uses, as long as it uses the same one for exit numbers, distance signage, and milemarkers.  Either put the distance signage and milemarkers back to km or switch the exit numbers to miles.  I can work with miles, I can work with km, but I can't convert between the two willy-nilly; when in Canada, I drop the US units and think in metric (where I'm familiar enough with the metric to do that, which in practice means distance signs and speed limits, but not gas stations, weather reports, or thermostats), but with DE 1, one has to constantly convert the km-based exit numbers back to miles in order for them to be useful.  When I traveled that road, I had no reference to neither how close I was to my destination nor how many exits were in between.  At least everywhere else, I'd have one or the other.

And I-95 and I-495 should really be switched off of sequential (I'd like to see exit numbers on I-295 as well).

I remember when it first opened and there were signs like Toll Plaza 500 m......no one knew where the hell that was.  When will you see it?  In half an hour? Around the next bend? 

It would be interesting to see the exits at the north end go from numbers around 100 to the 160s and back to 100.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mrsman on April 28, 2016, 08:50:45 AM
I don't care what measurement system DE 1 uses, as long as it uses the same one for exit numbers, distance signage, and milemarkers.  Either put the distance signage and milemarkers back to km or switch the exit numbers to miles.  I can work with miles, I can work with km, but I can't convert between the two willy-nilly; when in Canada, I drop the US units and think in metric (where I'm familiar enough with the metric to do that, which in practice means distance signs and speed limits, but not gas stations, weather reports, or thermostats), but with DE 1, one has to constantly convert the km-based exit numbers back to miles in order for them to be useful.  When I traveled that road, I had no reference to neither how close I was to my destination nor how many exits were in between.  At least everywhere else, I'd have one or the other.

And I-95 and I-495 should really be switched off of sequential (I'd like to see exit numbers on I-295 as well).

I remember when it first opened and there were signs like Toll Plaza 500 m......no one knew where the hell that was.  When will you see it?  In half an hour? Around the next bend? 

It would be interesting to see the exits at the north end go from numbers around 100 to the 160s and back to 100.

If DE insists on km exit numbers, they should put the milemarkers on metric as well.  For the distance signs, distances should be listed in both US and metric units.  So signs list  "Main Street 1 mile (1.6 km)" or "Dover 10 miles (16 km)" would probably be the best in this situation.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on April 28, 2016, 11:03:25 AM
I don't care what measurement system DE 1 uses, as long as it uses the same one for exit numbers, distance signage, and milemarkers.  Either put the distance signage and milemarkers back to km or switch the exit numbers to miles.  I can work with miles, I can work with km, but I can't convert between the two willy-nilly; when in Canada, I drop the US units and think in metric (where I'm familiar enough with the metric to do that, which in practice means distance signs and speed limits, but not gas stations, weather reports, or thermostats), but with DE 1, one has to constantly convert the km-based exit numbers back to miles in order for them to be useful.  When I traveled that road, I had no reference to neither how close I was to my destination nor how many exits were in between.  At least everywhere else, I'd have one or the other.

And I-95 and I-495 should really be switched off of sequential (I'd like to see exit numbers on I-295 as well).

I remember when it first opened and there were signs like Toll Plaza 500 m......no one knew where the hell that was.  When will you see it?  In half an hour? Around the next bend? 

It would be interesting to see the exits at the north end go from numbers around 100 to the 160s and back to 100.

If DE insists on km exit numbers, they should put the milemarkers on metric as well.  For the distance signs, distances should be listed in both US and metric units.  So signs list  "Main Street 1 mile (1.6 km)" or "Dover 10 miles (16 km)" would probably be the best in this situation.

Wasn't that tried at one point in some state, and found to be much too confusing?

In reality, no one needs to know, or care, about km while they're driving.  If you had an emergency on DE 1 and told 911 you were at MP 157, they know what you're talking about.  The only difference is what was alluded to earlier...posts 160-120 isn't going to be 40 miles.  Again, ost people don't know that, or care.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: vdeane on April 28, 2016, 12:58:45 PM
If you've gotten on the highway, and know you need to get off at exit 166, you should be able to look at any mile/km marker and do the math to figure out how far away you are.  You can't do that on DE 1.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on April 28, 2016, 03:48:01 PM
If you've gotten on the highway, and know you need to get off at exit 166, you should be able to look at any mile/km marker and do the math to figure out how far away you are.  You can't do that on DE 1.

Right.  I know that.  You know that.  Most people on these boards know that.   But like I said, I doubt many others know that, or at least give it much thought.  Very few are looking at their odometers and thinking to themselves they think they have 30 miles (or whatever) to go, but find themselves at the exit much sooner.  Being the highway's been around for 20 or so years in it's current state, it's not something that seems to register as any importance to DelDOT or the people driving the highway.

Besides...it's Delaware.  You can't measure distance on I-95 either via their exit numbers.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: vdeane on April 28, 2016, 06:27:53 PM
I'm not staring at the odometer... I'm staring at the milemarkers and doing the math in my head!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 28, 2016, 07:57:17 PM
You have to remember also that DE just raised the speed limit on I-95 south of Wilmington to 65 last year.  I would not expect too much else from them.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on April 28, 2016, 11:11:07 PM
I don't care what measurement system DE 1 uses, as long as it uses the same one for exit numbers, distance signage, and milemarkers.  Either put the distance signage and milemarkers back to km or switch the exit numbers to miles.  I can work with miles, I can work with km, but I can't convert between the two willy-nilly; when in Canada, I drop the US units and think in metric (where I'm familiar enough with the metric to do that, which in practice means distance signs and speed limits, but not gas stations, weather reports, or thermostats), but with DE 1, one has to constantly convert the km-based exit numbers back to miles in order for them to be useful.  When I traveled that road, I had no reference to neither how close I was to my destination nor how many exits were in between.  At least everywhere else, I'd have one or the other.

And I-95 and I-495 should really be switched off of sequential (I'd like to see exit numbers on I-295 as well).

I remember when it first opened and there were signs like Toll Plaza 500 m......no one knew where the hell that was.  When will you see it?  In half an hour? Around the next bend? 

It would be interesting to see the exits at the north end go from numbers around 100 to the 160s and back to 100.

If DE insists on km exit numbers, they should put the milemarkers on metric as well.  For the distance signs, distances should be listed in both US and metric units.  So signs list  "Main Street 1 mile (1.6 km)" or "Dover 10 miles (16 km)" would probably be the best in this situation.

Wasn't that tried at one point in some state, and found to be much too confusing?

You'll find it near the USA/Canada border on both sides. Quebec and Vermont come to mind.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 19, 2016, 03:05:39 PM
For those entering Delaware via the Delaware Memorial Bridge, expect some big delays this summer.  The project to widen some of 295 thru the US 13/40 interchange has started.  This limits much of 295 to 3 lanes, vs, the normal 4 lanes.  On 295 South approaching the 13/40 interchange, the 13/40 exit now only has 1 lane, not 2 lanes.  There are 2 tight lanes on 295 over 13/40. On the other side, a 3rd lane appears, but it's a tight shoulder lane which is an Exit Only lane for 495.  95 North splits off from the 2 thru lanes to 95 South. 

The DRBA has done a massively spectacular failure of a job with the road signage when the project first started, although it's now improved a bit.  It was basically: Block the lanes and reconfigure the roadway first, and the signage will come later.

Most everyone is used to getting over to the left-most 2 lanes heading to 95.  When the project first start, the left lane simply ended with cones and concrete barriers, with no signage or warning whatsoever.  Confusion ensued as the former right-center lane now kept motorists on 295, rather than exiting for 13/40.  The overhead BGSs had been removed or slightly modified, but weren't updated with the proper lane configuration.  When you got closer to the 95 North/South exit, it was absolutely impossible to figure out what the lanes were for. 

Today, the first set of overhead signs after the toll booth at least informs motorists the left lane is closed (although I don't think it communicates that the right-center lane is now for 95.  Further down the road, a VMS sign does point to the two lanes that are used to get to 95/495.  Next to that are odd white-on-green 13 & 40 shields with a white-on-green arrow shield pointing to the current right lane, all of which is on a green structure.  Further south is some more signage for "95 Thru-Lanes", with down arrows.

The lane reductions and signage could've been handled much better, and has brought on quite a bit of confusion for motorists, especially those that travel thru this area just a few times a year.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mariethefoxy on May 19, 2016, 11:24:29 PM
last month I went thru that area and it was a mess, I immediately got off at US 13/40 and took that to DE 1.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on May 26, 2016, 01:13:42 AM
Oops.  Due to a surveying error, DelDOT recently rebuilt the bridge on Newport Road over the CSX line 6" too low.

http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2016/05/23/newport-bridge-too-low-deldot-must-correct-mistake/84553084/ (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2016/05/23/newport-bridge-too-low-deldot-must-correct-mistake/84553084/)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 27, 2016, 12:36:25 PM
Dash cam video of a deadly accident on DE Route 1.  You have to look carefully, but a car going NB crossed thru the median into the SB lanes, where several cars became involved in the accident.   http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/2016/05/27/wilmington-woman-killed-five-car-crash-del-1/85025370/

The median, as you can see, is narrow, with very little recovery room.  There should be a guardrail in this area to prevent these types of accidents.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on May 27, 2016, 01:33:01 PM
The median, as you can see, is narrow, with very little recovery room.  There should be a guardrail in this area to prevent these types of accidents.

They've had a center cable guardrail completed down to the DE 299 interchange since at least 2012 according to Street View, why they haven't constructed any more is beyond me.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 09, 2016, 03:48:17 PM
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2016/06/09/more-closures-coming-massive-del-141-project/85643364/

141 Closures at and near I-95.

My favorite question that people ask: Why can't they do the work at night?   Hey, if they can remove and replace an entire overpass in 1 night, I'd be very impressed.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on June 10, 2016, 01:11:29 AM
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2016/06/09/more-closures-coming-massive-del-141-project/85643364/

141 Closures at and near I-95.

My favorite question that people ask: Why can't they do the work at night?   Hey, if they can remove and replace an entire overpass in 1 night, I'd be very impressed.
It's doable in nighttime only, but expensive. You have to construct each piece offline to precise tolerances, stage it somewhere, then bring in all the heavy machinery to break out the old pieces and drop in the new. Typically they at least try to get an entire weekend for it. It can't be done in 1 night, but it can be done over the course of several, in the most extreme cases where weekend closures are infeasible and there's no room for a temporary bypass.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 10, 2016, 06:21:56 AM
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2016/06/09/more-closures-coming-massive-del-141-project/85643364/

141 Closures at and near I-95.

My favorite question that people ask: Why can't they do the work at night?   Hey, if they can remove and replace an entire overpass in 1 night, I'd be very impressed.
It's doable in nighttime only, but expensive. You have to construct each piece offline to precise tolerances, stage it somewhere, then bring in all the heavy machinery to break out the old pieces and drop in the new. Typically they at least try to get an entire weekend for it. It can't be done in 1 night, but it can be done over the course of several, in the most extreme cases where weekend closures are infeasible and there's no room for a temporary bypass.

In this case (I was thru here the other day, as it so happened), from what I can tell all lanes where the overpasses are located are open, just shifted.

The biggest issue is that traffic was already congested here.  So even with construction at night, just the presence of barrels and lane shifts will cause even further congestion.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 10, 2016, 11:52:44 AM
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2016/06/09/more-closures-coming-massive-del-141-project/85643364/

141 Closures at and near I-95.

My favorite question that people ask: Why can't they do the work at night?   Hey, if they can remove and replace an entire overpass in 1 night, I'd be very impressed.

Of the various improvements, I noticed the 141 North to 295 North missing move will be added: http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/sr141/archivedsite-sr141-i95/virtual_wkshp/pdfs/sr141_display_presentation7.pdf

I was trying to see how they are replacing the 141 South overpass over 95/295 North.  Currently, it would be a tight squeeze to get 3 lanes under 141 for 295 North, should they ever widen this notorious bottleneck, especially on weekends/holidays.  Unfortunately, I didn't see any designs for that specifically. (And yeah, we all know about the 95/PA Turnpike connection that may reduce some of this traffic using 295 North to the Turnpike.  It's still a needed widening).

Looking at some of their other documents, it's rare to see DelDOT design and acknowledge a project where a movement is Level F now, and is projected to still be Level F in the future.  But it's one of those things where the rest of the project is an overall benefit, so they'll probably deal with that later.  ( http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/sr141/archivedsite-sr141-i95/index.shtml , see Capacity Analysis for that specific issue)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on June 10, 2016, 06:27:56 PM
Looking at some of their other documents, it's rare to see DelDOT design and acknowledge a project where a movement is Level F now, and is projected to still be Level F in the future.  But it's one of those things where the rest of the project is an overall benefit, so they'll probably deal with that later.  ( http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/sr141/archivedsite-sr141-i95/index.shtml , see Capacity Analysis for that specific issue)

Are you sure that's not just for a theoretical no-build option?  I don't see any mention of the improvements on that sheet.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on June 13, 2016, 05:38:35 PM
Neat story discussing the effects of duPont Highway, also has a lot of cool construction pictures.

http://www.delawareonline.com/story/life/2016/06/11/99-years-dupont-highway-wagons-bmws/85483090/ (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/life/2016/06/11/99-years-dupont-highway-wagons-bmws/85483090/)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mariethefoxy on June 15, 2016, 11:55:10 AM
Isnt Dupont Highway US 13? There are signs that say Dupont Highway all the way down US 13 till you reach Sussex county where the name changes to Sussex Highway.

If I remember right US 113 in Georgetown was labeled Dupont Blvd.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on July 30, 2016, 06:11:41 PM
Development along a back road into Lewes (New Road) could pull traffic along it up by the bootstraps, as could a proposed interchange at DE 1 in Nassau (between Nassau and U.S. 9/DE 404 is where backups typically begin on summer weekends [just after you pass St. Jude's Church]).

http://www.capegazette.com/article/lewes-releases-consultant-study-roads/111732

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on August 18, 2016, 01:55:38 PM
DelDOT released its proposed multi-year Capital Transportation Program.  Projects are sorted in order of priority.

http://deldot.gov/information/pubs_forms/CTP/ctp17-22/FY17-FY22-CTPProposedProjectImplementation.pdf
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Mergingtraffic on August 20, 2016, 07:50:31 PM
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2016/06/09/more-closures-coming-massive-del-141-project/85643364/

141 Closures at and near I-95.

My favorite question that people ask: Why can't they do the work at night?   Hey, if they can remove and replace an entire overpass in 1 night, I'd be very impressed.
It's doable in nighttime only, but expensive. You have to construct each piece offline to precise tolerances, stage it somewhere, then bring in all the heavy machinery to break out the old pieces and drop in the new. Typically they at least try to get an entire weekend for it. It can't be done in 1 night, but it can be done over the course of several, in the most extreme cases where weekend closures are infeasible and there's no room for a temporary bypass.

CT has been doing this a lot.  Imagine that?!?! CT
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on August 25, 2016, 12:04:04 PM
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/2016/08/24/house-damaged-deldot-crash/89218344/

This house sits behind the intersection of Newport Gap Pike and Boxwood Road, just west of DE 141.  It has been hit five times in about as many years.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on November 19, 2016, 01:16:55 PM
Looks like the DDI at DE 1 / 72 is open. (http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=6325)

DelDOT has a traffic camera aimed down DE 72 so you can get a good look at what they've gotten done so far.  A lot of the island work outside of the center has yet to be completed.

(http://image.prntscr.com/image/796f8baf308942bab2db99c578fd194c.png)

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on December 10, 2016, 12:25:37 PM
RIP to the remaining Delaware 2 cutout (http://www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=DE19660021). It was replaced (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7465429,-75.5748024,3a,76.2y,257.21h,90.41t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s3nlKwZ3UsknA6KRCoI2NRA!2e0!5s20160801T000000!7i13312!8i6656) by this year. I figured it would have been removed since Wilmington is generally uninterested in signing state routes.

Thankfully, the Delaware 4 cutout (http://www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=DE19660041) is still holding on.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: J Route Z on December 23, 2016, 02:44:37 AM
RIP to the remaining Delaware 2 cutout (http://www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=DE19660021). It was replaced (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7465429,-75.5748024,3a,76.2y,257.21h,90.41t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s3nlKwZ3UsknA6KRCoI2NRA!2e0!5s20160801T000000!7i13312!8i6656) by this year. I figured it would have been removed since Wilmington is generally uninterested in signing state routes.

Thankfully, the Delaware 4 cutout (http://www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=DE19660041) is still holding on.
How old do those shields date back from?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on December 23, 2016, 09:35:55 AM
RIP to the remaining Delaware 2 cutout (http://www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=DE19660021). It was replaced (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7465429,-75.5748024,3a,76.2y,257.21h,90.41t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s3nlKwZ3UsknA6KRCoI2NRA!2e0!5s20160801T000000!7i13312!8i6656) by this year. I figured it would have been removed since Wilmington is generally uninterested in signing state routes.

Thankfully, the Delaware 4 cutout (http://www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=DE19660041) is still holding on.
How old do those shields date back from?

The DEL cutouts were first used in 1964:
www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=DE19552022&search=896
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 24, 2016, 07:48:43 PM
 The (Wilmington, Del.) News Journal via USAToday: Delaware eyes truckers evading tolls on I-95 (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/08/toll-evaders/16922061/)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 25, 2016, 02:33:02 AM
The (Wilmington, Del.) News Journal via USAToday: Delaware eyes truckers evading tolls on I-95 (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/08/toll-evaders/16922061/)

...from over two years ago.
You posted about it here (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2012358#msg2012358) when the piece was first written.  :sombrero:

Funnily enough, it doesn't look like anyone picked up on the News Journal trying to will a state route into existence the first time around:
Quote
...and Old Baltimore Pike, also known as Delaware 281.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on December 25, 2016, 09:02:08 AM
Funnily enough, it doesn't look like anyone picked up on the News Journal trying to will a state route into existence the first time around:
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...and Old Baltimore Pike, also known as Delaware 281.

Nice catch!  And speaking of Maryland 281, a roundabout is being added just west of the Delaware line along it at Muddy Lane. One was also added on Maryland 273 at Appleton Road (work is still ongoing), and another will be added on Maryland 273 at Blue Ball Road.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 25, 2016, 11:35:39 AM
The (Wilmington, Del.) News Journal via USAToday: Delaware eyes truckers evading tolls on I-95 (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/08/toll-evaders/16922061/)

...from over two years ago.
You posted about it here (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2012358#msg2012358) when the piece was first written.  :sombrero:

Funnily enough, it doesn't look like anyone picked up on the News Journal trying to will a state route into existence the first time around:
Quote
...and Old Baltimore Pike, also known as Delaware 281.

Thanks for catching that.  Posted above on my tablet, and admit to not checking the date (it came to me from a different source).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on January 03, 2017, 10:12:52 AM
60 MPH speed limit sighting (first in the state?) on Route 1 around Dover

http://deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=6373
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 03, 2017, 12:21:30 PM
60 MPH speed limit sighting (first in the state?) on Route 1 around Dover

http://deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=6373

Good.  There's been no reason for the ultra-low 50 mph limit on what's otherwise a divided highway.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on January 03, 2017, 06:59:21 PM
60 MPH speed limit sighting (first in the state?) on Route 1 around Dover

http://deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=6373

As far as I know, yes, this will be the only current instance of a 60 MPH speed limit in the state.  Glad to see DelDOT realizing that pretty much everyone were comfortable driving at a quicker pace on these roads, especially given as there is really no difference in road quality on either side of the speed limit change.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on January 03, 2017, 08:28:37 PM
60 MPH speed limit sighting (first in the state?) on Route 1 around Dover

http://deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=6373

As far as I know, yes, this will be the only current instance of a 60 MPH speed limit in the state.  Glad to see DelDOT realizing that pretty much everyone were comfortable driving at a quicker pace on these roads, especially given as there is really no difference in road quality on either side of the speed limit change.

Everywhere else in DE, it's >60 or <60, not exactly 60.

Geographically that press release translates to the stretch from the Puncheon Run connector (just north of the north gate of Dover AFB, and linking DE 1 to U.S. 13 near Rodney Village) to the south end of the St. Jones River bridge.  With major construction in Little Heaven and South Frederica, and congestion south of there, a speed limit >55 isn't practical south of those wetlands.

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on January 27, 2017, 08:50:21 PM
The Bayonne Bridge thread on the Northeast board digressed to the topic of the monstrosity that has spanned Indian River Inlet since 2012.  To wit in part:

Quote
I like to know why DelDOT used one on DE 1 in Sussex County, DE to replace a Bascule Span Bridge instead of your typical high rise that usually replaces an inlet crossing.

Using Wikipedia, for what that's worth, it sounds like a history of scouring has undone many bridges there.  Thru just 80 years, 5 bridges have been built on this site; with the other 4 either collapsing or in danger of collapsing.  Almost sounds like a long history of bad engineering. 

The current bridge was built, it appears, to withstand changes in the ocean and inlet currents for decades to come.  It certainly does seem overbuilt for what it needs to cross though!

Scouring was indeed a big problem with at least the 1965 Indian River bridge-it underwent frequent underwater checks in its last years after one inspection revealed that the narrow channel was about 90' deep and there wasn't really much holding up the bridge. Large boulders were routinely dumped into the channel. (Fun fact: highest point in Sussex Co is only about 75'.) I'm too lazy to see if Wikipedia covers it adequately, but the first attempt at building the newest bridge was halted after it was noticed that all the fill (and the ground it was sitting on, namely wet sand) had sunk several feet. Supposedly the tidal flow would be enough to generate serious electricity, if anybody could figure out how to keep the turbines from washing away.

The pre-1965 Indian River bridge was indeed a bascule bridge that was undermined in the March 1962 nor'easter and closed well into that summer.

Although he was just an R&D tech, my late stepdad would probably say about the current bridge, "That bridge was 200% overdesigned!"

ixnay

On suggestion of a northeast transplant to Florida, I pasted the above quotes.

I correct myself here.  It wasn't a bascule bridge but a swing bridge that spanned the inlet in 1962, judging from pictures from the aftermath of the storm that I've seen.

ixnay

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: triplemultiplex on February 10, 2017, 04:48:51 PM
Apologies if this has been discussed before, but what's the deal with DE 1's exit numbers?  They are like 40 off of the mile markers and would need to start somewhere in the Virginia part of Delmarva to make any sense.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jp the roadgeek on February 10, 2017, 04:58:16 PM
Apologies if this has been discussed before, but what's the deal with DE 1's exit numbers?  They are like 40 off of the mile markers and would need to start somewhere in the Virginia part of Delmarva to make any sense.

Distance on DE 1 is measured in km.  Part of an experiment with the metric conversion craze of the 1980's.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on February 10, 2017, 04:59:58 PM
Distance on DE 1 is measured in km.  Part of an experiment with the metric conversion craze of the 1990s.
FTFY
The freeway portion of DE 1 didn't even exist during the 1980s.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: The Ghostbuster on February 10, 2017, 07:37:24 PM
Although it is very unlikely to happen, I think DE 1 should have its exits changed from kilometer-based to mile-based. And Interstates 95/295/495 should have mileage-based exits as well.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jp the roadgeek on February 10, 2017, 08:57:41 PM
MUTCD is requiring that all states eventually change to that.  So far, only DE, CT, MA, NH, NY, and RI have yet to do so statewide (the NJTP and I-695 in MD being notable exceptions in states which have).  A couple of highways have been converted in CT and NY, and MA and RI have plans, but are dragging their feet.  And yes, DE 1 should go mileage.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on February 10, 2017, 09:29:58 PM
Apologies if this has been discussed before, but what's the deal with DE 1's exit numbers?  They are like 40 off of the mile markers and would need to start somewhere in the Virginia part of Delmarva to make any sense.

The Dover-Smyrna portion of DE 1 was signed entirely with metric units when it opened in December 1993. The units were not well received and they were swapped out, with the exception of the exit numbers. The original DE 1 freeway in New Castle County did have mile based exit numbers. They were changed to match the metric units.

The newest exit on DE 1 is 5 km or so off the actual distance from the Maryland line, while the exit for DE 30 is unnumbered.

(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/delaware001/de-001_nb_exit_079_03.jpg)

(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/delaware001/de-001_nb_at_de-030.jpg)

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: KEVIN_224 on February 11, 2017, 10:21:04 AM
As for Connecticut, the only road which was changed to mileage-based exit numbers was I-395. It runs through the eastern third of the state, from Waterford (near New London) up to Thompson at the Massachusetts border. OK...back to the First State now! :)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ekt8750 on February 14, 2017, 11:12:44 AM
Apologies if this has been discussed before, but what's the deal with DE 1's exit numbers?  They are like 40 off of the mile markers and would need to start somewhere in the Virginia part of Delmarva to make any sense.

The Dover-Smyrna portion of DE 1 was signed entirely with metric units when it opened in December 1993. The units were not well received and they were swapped out, with the exception of the exit numbers. The original DE 1 freeway in New Castle County did have mile based exit numbers. They were changed to match the metric units.

The newest exit on DE 1 is 5 km or so off the actual distance from the Maryland line, while the exit for DE 30 is unnumbered.

(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/delaware001/de-001_nb_exit_079_03.jpg)

(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/delaware001/de-001_nb_at_de-030.jpg)

My god Delaware sucked at Clearview.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on February 14, 2017, 11:55:57 AM
(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/delaware001/de-001_nb_exit_079_03.jpg)
My god Delaware sucked at Clearview.
At least the exit tab on the above-example doesn't look like it was copied from Maryland signage.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 15, 2017, 01:30:51 PM
I've seen this before on the Delaware Memorial Bridge: Falling ice from the suspension ropes and tubes case them to shut down the outside lanes.  Thus, 2 lanes are open in either direction.  Unlike some of the past incidents, weekday, winter closures don't tend to jam up traffic all that much, especially since people aren't necessarily slowing down to see construction work or anything.

http://www.nj.com/salem/index.ssf/2017/03/falling_ice_prompts_lane_closures_on_delaware_memo.html#incart_river_home
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on March 17, 2017, 07:11:54 AM
I've seen this before on the Delaware Memorial Bridge: Falling ice from the suspension ropes and tubes case them to shut down the outside lanes.  Thus, 2 lanes are open in either direction.  Unlike some of the past incidents, weekday, winter closures don't tend to jam up traffic all that much, especially since people aren't necessarily slowing down to see construction work or anything.

http://www.nj.com/salem/index.ssf/2017/03/falling_ice_prompts_lane_closures_on_delaware_memo.html#incart_river_home

Do other suspension, cable stayed, or cantilever bridges have a problem with this?

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Rothman on March 17, 2017, 08:10:49 AM
I've seen this before on the Delaware Memorial Bridge: Falling ice from the suspension ropes and tubes case them to shut down the outside lanes.  Thus, 2 lanes are open in either direction.  Unlike some of the past incidents, weekday, winter closures don't tend to jam up traffic all that much, especially since people aren't necessarily slowing down to see construction work or anything.

http://www.nj.com/salem/index.ssf/2017/03/falling_ice_prompts_lane_closures_on_delaware_memo.html#incart_river_home

Do other suspension, cable stayed, or cantilever bridges have a problem with this?

ixnay
Yes.  East River bridges in NYC do...but I don't think they shut down outside lanes to deal with it.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jemacedo9 on March 17, 2017, 09:49:21 AM
Remember that this wasn't a snow storm though...in DE, it was all sleet and freezing rain...so this was an unusual event. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 17, 2017, 10:41:38 AM
Remember that this wasn't a snow storm though...in DE, it was all sleet and freezing rain...so this was an unusual event. 

They still had some snow, especially in the Wilmington/South Jersey areas near the bridge.  Then combined with the thawing and refreezing, making the icicles, the long icicles occur.  During the next thawing is when the icicles fall, and causes the lanes to be shut down.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 22, 2017, 09:25:20 AM
ABC 6: Wilmington suspends Right-Turn-On-Red Camera program, refunding over $800,000 (http://6abc.com/news/wilmington-refunding-over-$800k-ends-right-turn-on-red-cameras/1811460/)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 30, 2017, 02:39:41 PM
The information one can get via Wikipedia is gold.  I was looking up something on New Castle, Delaware, and found this interesting tidbit: 

Quote
The spire on top of the Court House, Delaware's Colonial capitol and first state house, was used as the center of the Twelve-Mile Circle forming the northern boundary of Delaware. The Delaware River within this radius to the low water mark on the opposite shore is part of Delaware. Thus the Delaware Memorial Bridge was built as an intrastate span by Delaware, without financial participation by neighboring New Jersey.[citation needed]

For this to be even remotely true, the bridge would have had to touch down at the exact point where the river touches NJ during lowtide.  Obviously, it does not.

Take note that a citation is needed...I won't hold my breath waiting for that citation to be provided.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on March 30, 2017, 11:17:23 PM
The information one can get via Wikipedia is gold.  I was looking up something on New Castle, Delaware, and found this interesting tidbit: 

Quote
The spire on top of the Court House, Delaware's Colonial capitol and first state house, was used as the center of the Twelve-Mile Circle forming the northern boundary of Delaware. The Delaware River within this radius to the low water mark on the opposite shore is part of Delaware. Thus the Delaware Memorial Bridge was built as an intrastate span by Delaware, without financial participation by neighboring New Jersey.[citation needed]

For this to be even remotely true, the bridge would have had to touch down at the exact point where the river touches NJ during lowtide.  Obviously, it does not.

Take note that a citation is needed...I won't hold my breath waiting for that citation to be provided.
Considering DRBA is a bi-state agency...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on April 12, 2017, 03:23:20 PM
I went out to where the old summit bridge was today and took some pictures, i would upload them but i don't know how  :confused: . I went on both sides of where the former bridge was, it was very interesting.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on May 05, 2017, 06:14:06 AM
If you normally take U.S. 113 to the Quiet Resorts, OCMD, or maybe Berlin and/or Snow Hill, you'll have to deal with this for a fortnight.

http://www.wboc.com/story/35347266/section-of-us-113-closing-tonight-in-milford-for-two-weeks

Notice how the rails have sagged at the crossing.

ixnay

EDIT:  I didn't mean to use the quote in this post.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: OracleUsr on May 05, 2017, 07:14:32 AM
(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/delaware001/de-001_nb_exit_079_03.jpg)
My god Delaware sucked at Clearview.
At least the exit tab on the above-example doesn't look like it was copied from Maryland signage.

Has Delaware followed Iowa and abandoned Clearview?  I've seen some signs that look brand new (DE 1 at US 13 I think?) that looked like all Highway Gothic.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on May 05, 2017, 07:15:58 AM
^ At this point, since FHWA rescinded "interim approval", everybody is supposed to be abandoning Clearview.  Any lingering new installations are only supposed to be those which were designed before the interim approval was yanked.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on May 05, 2017, 11:00:35 AM
I went out to where the old summit bridge was today and took some pictures, i would upload them but i don't know how  :confused: . I went on both sides of where the former bridge was, it was very interesting.

If you normally take U.S. 113 to the Quiet Resorts, OCMD, or maybe Berlin and/or Snow Hill, you'll have to deal with this for a fortnight.

http://www.wboc.com/story/35347266/section-of-us-113-closing-tonight-in-milford-for-two-weeks

Notice how the rails have sagged at the crossing.

ixnay
Now that's interesting. But tell me this, does DE 1 plan to get rid of the toll booths once the 301 tollway is finished?


iPhone
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 05, 2017, 11:44:34 AM
I went out to where the old summit bridge was today and took some pictures, i would upload them but i don't know how  :confused: . I went on both sides of where the former bridge was, it was very interesting.

If you normally take U.S. 113 to the Quiet Resorts, OCMD, or maybe Berlin and/or Snow Hill, you'll have to deal with this for a fortnight.

http://www.wboc.com/story/35347266/section-of-us-113-closing-tonight-in-milford-for-two-weeks

Notice how the rails have sagged at the crossing.

ixnay
Now that's interesting. But tell me this, does DE 1 plan to get rid of the toll booths once the 301 tollway is finished?


iPhone

Nope.  In the tolling sense, the two highways have nothing to do with each other.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on May 05, 2017, 11:47:13 AM
I went out to where the old summit bridge was today and took some pictures, i would upload them but i don't know how  :confused: . I went on both sides of where the former bridge was, it was very interesting.

If you normally take U.S. 113 to the Quiet Resorts, OCMD, or maybe Berlin and/or Snow Hill, you'll have to deal with this for a fortnight.

http://www.wboc.com/story/35347266/section-of-us-113-closing-tonight-in-milford-for-two-weeks

Notice how the rails have sagged at the crossing.

ixnay
Now that's interesting. But tell me this, does DE 1 plan to get rid of the toll booths once the 301 tollway is finished?


iPhone

Nope.  In the tolling sense, the two highways have nothing to do with each other.
As previously noted you must have a free way to cross & I believe that when the 301 flyover ramp is built with DE 1 the light where you can join DE 1 before St georges will be removed. Which means you would have to get off at the 896 exit & take U.S all the way up or they will build a correct interchange for the 3 roads


iPhone
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 05, 2017, 11:56:04 AM
I went out to where the old summit bridge was today and took some pictures, i would upload them but i don't know how  :confused: . I went on both sides of where the former bridge was, it was very interesting.

If you normally take U.S. 113 to the Quiet Resorts, OCMD, or maybe Berlin and/or Snow Hill, you'll have to deal with this for a fortnight.

http://www.wboc.com/story/35347266/section-of-us-113-closing-tonight-in-milford-for-two-weeks

Notice how the rails have sagged at the crossing.

ixnay
Now that's interesting. But tell me this, does DE 1 plan to get rid of the toll booths once the 301 tollway is finished?


iPhone

Nope.  In the tolling sense, the two highways have nothing to do with each other.
As previously noted you must have a free way to cross & I believe that when the 301 flyover ramp is built with DE 1 the light where you can join DE 1 before St georges will be removed. Which means you would have to get off at the 896 exit & take U.S all the way up or they will build a correct interchange for the 3 roads


iPhone

So there's still a free way to cross, right?

Also, the old US 13 St. Georges bridge will still be open, so that's another free way to cross.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on May 05, 2017, 11:58:51 AM
I went out to where the old summit bridge was today and took some pictures, i would upload them but i don't know how  :confused: . I went on both sides of where the former bridge was, it was very interesting.

If you normally take U.S. 113 to the Quiet Resorts, OCMD, or maybe Berlin and/or Snow Hill, you'll have to deal with this for a fortnight.

http://www.wboc.com/story/35347266/section-of-us-113-closing-tonight-in-milford-for-two-weeks

Notice how the rails have sagged at the crossing.

ixnay
Now that's interesting. But tell me this, does DE 1 plan to get rid of the toll booths once the 301 tollway is finished?


iPhone

Nope.  In the tolling sense, the two highways have nothing to do with each other.
As previously noted you must have a free way to cross & I believe that when the 301 flyover ramp is built with DE 1 the light where you can join DE 1 before St georges will be removed. Which means you would have to get off at the 896 exit & take U.S all the way up or they will build a correct interchange for the 3 roads


iPhone

So there's still a free way to cross, right?

Also, the old US 13 St. Georges bridge will still be open, so that's another free way to cross.
Do you think its a good idea to push more traffic on the old Us 13 Bridge it is already is terrible condition the best crossing is the C & D canel bridge


iPhone
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 05, 2017, 12:03:53 PM
Hey, people are cheap. As long as the bridge isn't in danger of collapsing, which if it was it would be closed immediately, people can use it.  And if more people use it, then it'll jam up the bridge, and people can decide if it's worth it to skip the dollar toll in exchange for a slower ride.

In the very immediate Trenton area, the best crossing over the Delaware is the US 1 Bridge.  It costs $1.  But people have the option, and often use it, to exit and take the free, single lane, 25 mph bridge, going thru a few traffic lights in Morrisville, PA.   
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on May 05, 2017, 12:16:02 PM
Per the contract plans, the slip ramp Tonytone is referring to will be replaced with a new northbound on-ramp beginning at the US 13/Port Penn Rd intersection, about 3/4 mile to the south.  So Tonytone's point is moot.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 05, 2017, 01:00:44 PM
Ah, I see it now.  I wasn't looking at the plans in the correct area.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on May 05, 2017, 05:50:44 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/delaware001/de-001_nb_exit_079_03.jpg)
My god Delaware sucked at Clearview.
At least the exit tab on the above-example doesn't look like it was copied from Maryland signage.

Has Delaware followed Iowa and abandoned Clearview?  I've seen some signs that look brand new (DE 1 at US 13 I think?) that looked like all Highway Gothic.
Interestingly enough (and I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned), a large portion of the Clearview signage at the new DE 1 / 30 interchange has already been replaced with Highway Gothic as of two weekends ago.  If memory serves, I believe they added Milford to the destinations instead of just using Lincoln.  I didn't get any pictures as I was driving at the time.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on May 06, 2017, 01:49:18 AM
Somewhere on here I seen that De-1 was supposed to take down the tolls by 2018 because thats when the bonds will be paid.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on May 06, 2017, 09:26:13 AM
Speaking of DE 1... are they rebuilding the ramp from SB DE 1 to NB U.S. 13 in Tybouts Corner?   Google Maps shows it as closed.

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on May 06, 2017, 10:25:52 AM
Speaking of DE 1... are they rebuilding the ramp from SB DE 1 to NB U.S. 13 in Tybouts Corner?   Google Maps shows it as closed.

ixnay

Bob told me of this in early April and figured it out:

The ramp is closed until May 26: http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicTrafficIncidentDisplay&id=89509

http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=6486

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WHAT: The Delaware Department of Transportation (DelDOT)'s contractor Eastern Highway Specialists Inc. will be removing the existing concrete median barrier and replacing with dual faced guardrail on SR 1.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 07, 2017, 09:13:43 PM
Speaking of DE 1... are they rebuilding the ramp from SB DE 1 to NB U.S. 13 in Tybouts Corner?   Google Maps shows it as closed.

ixnay

Bob told me of this in early April and figured it out:

The ramp is closed until May 26: http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicTrafficIncidentDisplay&id=89509

http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=6486

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WHAT: The Delaware Department of Transportation (DelDOT)'s contractor Eastern Highway Specialists Inc. will be removing the existing concrete median barrier and replacing with dual faced guardrail on SR 1.

Did we ever figure out the purpose of this?  Especially on that high speed ramp, it seems awfully backwards to remove what appeared to be a perfectly fine jersey barrier and replace it with guardrail. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on May 07, 2017, 09:16:46 PM
Speaking of DE 1... are they rebuilding the ramp from SB DE 1 to NB U.S. 13 in Tybouts Corner?   Google Maps shows it as closed.

ixnay

Bob told me of this in early April and figured it out:

The ramp is closed until May 26: http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicTrafficIncidentDisplay&id=89509

http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=6486

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WHAT: The Delaware Department of Transportation (DelDOT)'s contractor Eastern Highway Specialists Inc. will be removing the existing concrete median barrier and replacing with dual faced guardrail on SR 1.

Did we ever figure out the purpose of this?  Especially on that high speed ramp, it seems awfully backwards to remove what appeared to be a perfectly fine jersey barrier and replace it with guardrail.

Thats a good question, but since Jersey Barrier obstructs the view of the driver and causes the lane to feel tight, that might be a reason. Also the guardrail is all up and down the part of DE-1.

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Speaking of DE 1... are they rebuilding the ramp from SB DE 1 to NB U.S. 13 in Tybouts Corner?   Google Maps shows it as closed.

ixnay
When do they plan to rebuild it? I've seen the plans on deldots website. but no mention of a date, its a good plan too.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 07, 2017, 10:04:42 PM
Speaking of DE 1... are they rebuilding the ramp from SB DE 1 to NB U.S. 13 in Tybouts Corner?   Google Maps shows it as closed.

ixnay
When do they plan to rebuild it? I've seen the plans on deldots website. but no mention of a date, its a good plan too.

Do you have a link or have any information on the actual plans?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on May 07, 2017, 10:27:47 PM
Speaking of DE 1... are they rebuilding the ramp from SB DE 1 to NB U.S. 13 in Tybouts Corner?   Google Maps shows it as closed.

ixnay
When do they plan to rebuild it? I've seen the plans on deldots website. but no mention of a date, its a good plan too.

Do you have a link or have any information on the actual plans?

Yea, Here you go.
http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/sr1/sr1-wide/
http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/sr1/sr1-wide/pdf/Public_Workshop_Boards.pdf
http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/sr1/sr1-wide/pdf/SR1-WideningWorkshopsPresentation.pdf
http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/sr1/sr1-wide/pdf/MainWide_Tyb_Int_North_42in_SR1W.pdf
http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/sr1/sr1-wide/pdf/MainWide_Tyb_Int_South_42in_SR1W.pdf
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on May 07, 2017, 11:38:00 PM
Speaking of DE 1... are they rebuilding the ramp from SB DE 1 to NB U.S. 13 in Tybouts Corner?   Google Maps shows it as closed.

ixnay

Bob told me of this in early April and figured it out:

The ramp is closed until May 26: http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicTrafficIncidentDisplay&id=89509

http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=6486

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WHAT: The Delaware Department of Transportation (DelDOT)'s contractor Eastern Highway Specialists Inc. will be removing the existing concrete median barrier and replacing with dual faced guardrail on SR 1.

Did we ever figure out the purpose of this?  Especially on that high speed ramp, it seems awfully backwards to remove what appeared to be a perfectly fine jersey barrier and replace it with guardrail.

The barrier was falling apart (and had been for quite some time) due to an alkali silica reaction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkali%E2%80%93silica_reaction), similar to that of what is tearing up this segment of DE 141 (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2017/03/20/concrete-cancer-expands-centre-road/99404784/) and what necessitated the removal of this segment of DE 1's original concrete pavement.  Why they aren't replacing it with another concrete barrier is beyond me, but the current barrier had to go either way.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on May 11, 2017, 03:44:41 PM
Did anyone else notice that Delaware owns a majority of the Delaware memorial bridge, The Water that Delaware claims extends all the way to jerseys side of the bridge right on the coast.
Does that mean that Delaware owns more of the bridge and rights or does DRBA Make it 50-50.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 11, 2017, 03:51:21 PM
Did anyone else notice that Delaware owns a majority of the Delaware memorial bridge, The Water that Delaware claims extends all the way to jerseys side of the bridge right on the coast.
Does that mean that Delaware owns more of the bridge and rights or does DRBA Make it 50-50.

Delaware doesn't own any of the bridge.  Neither does NJ.  The majority of the bridge is within the State of Delaware.  And that is fairly well known, as all of the Delaware River is considered Delaware State.  Look closely on some maps, and you'll see there's a few small sections on the NJ side of the river that are actually part of Delaware as well. This is due to river sediments that have built up over the years and formed land on the Jersey side of the Delaware.

There are two small signs on the 295 South side of the bridge noting the Delaware State Line.  There are no such signs on the Jersey bound span.

The bridge is maintained by a bi-state authority, the DRBA.  There's no 50/50 split.  They fund themselves via the tolls.  The DRBA maintains much more than the bridge...they maintain the roadway from approximately US 130 (NJ) to 95/495 (DE).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on May 11, 2017, 07:12:30 PM
Did anyone else notice that Delaware owns a majority of the Delaware memorial bridge, The Water that Delaware claims extends all the way to jerseys side of the bridge right on the coast.
Does that mean that Delaware owns more of the bridge and rights or does DRBA Make it 50-50.

Delaware doesn't own any of the bridge.  Neither does NJ.  The majority of the bridge is within the State of Delaware.  And that is fairly well known, as all of the Delaware River is considered Delaware State.  Look closely on some maps, and you'll see there's a few small sections on the NJ side of the river that are actually part of Delaware as well. This is due to river sediments that have built up over the years and formed land on the Jersey side of the Delaware.

There are two small signs on the 295 South side of the bridge noting the Delaware State Line.  There are no such signs on the Jersey bound span.

The bridge is maintained by a bi-state authority, the DRBA.  There's no 50/50 split.  They fund themselves via the tolls.  The DRBA maintains much more than the bridge...they maintain the roadway from approximately US 130 (NJ) to 95/495 (DE).

Not to mention vehicular and passenger ferries, plus airports on both sides of the river and bay.

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on May 25, 2017, 09:58:31 AM
Posted this in the Signs with 3 Control Cities thread and thought such was worth reposting here:

This pull-through BGS w/3 listings for I-495 South is now no-more.
(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/delaware495/i-495_sb_exit_006_02.jpg)
The 70s-vintage gantry (possibly original) and the 10(?) year-old BGS' were completely replaced with a pipe-style gantry.  The new pull-through BGS now longer lists Del Mem Br.

All the new BGS' feature oversized Clearview fonts for the control cities (which overshadow the route shields & make for larger sign panels); but, unlike the Clearview BGS further south along I-95, the exit tabs are thankfully not the MD-style elongated ones (though the tab legends are in Clearview, a long-time FHWA no-no).

Either the designs for these new BGS panels were approved prior to the Feds yanking the interim approval for Clearview or DelDOT or the contractors simply didn't care.  I didn't see any other new sign installations on Naaman's Road (DE 92).   

Not sure if this was an accident-related replacement or part of an overall sign replacement project.  I say that because the previous signs (which were still there 2 weeks ago) were still in decent shape.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on May 25, 2017, 10:03:38 AM
Posted this in the Signs with 3 Control Cities thread and thought such was worth reposting here:

This pull-through BGS w/3 listings for I-495 South is now no-more.
(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/delaware495/i-495_sb_exit_006_02.jpg)
The 70s-vintage gantry (possibly original) and the 10(?) year-old BGS' were completely replaced with a pipe-style gantry.  The new pull-through BGS now longer lists Del Mem Br.

All the new BGS' feature oversized Clearview fonts for the control cities (which overshadow the route shields & make for larger sign panels); but, unlike the Clearview BGS further south along I-95, the exit tabs are thankfully not the MD-style elongated ones (though the tab legends are in Clearview, a long-time FHWA no-no).

Either the designs for these new BGS panels were approved prior to the Feds yanking the interim approval for Clearview or DelDOT or the contractors simply didn't care.  I didn't see any other new sign installations on Naaman's Road (DE 92).   

Not sure if this was an accident-related replacement or part of an overall sign replacement project.  I say that because the previous signs (which were still there 2 weeks ago) were still in decent shape.

Funny you commented on this, I had noticed it when I was driving a couple weeks ago, & was gonna post something about it. What made them choose bubble gantry? Is that the new thing now? & on other delaware related things, new High mast lights kn 495/95. De-1 Redlion exit is open again with the new guardrail & work is about to get started on SR-273 by applebee road & Airport road, this area has seen a lot of crashes & really does need to be updated, im glad the time is now.



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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on June 02, 2017, 02:19:52 PM
It appears as though the new DE 141 SB bridge over I-95 NB is due to go into service next week:
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2017/06/02/numerous-highway-closures-scheduled-next-week/364952001/ (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2017/06/02/numerous-highway-closures-scheduled-next-week/364952001/)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 02, 2017, 03:20:17 PM
It appears as though the new DE 141 SB bridge over I-95 NB is due to go into service next week:
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2017/06/02/numerous-highway-closures-scheduled-next-week/364952001/ (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2017/06/02/numerous-highway-closures-scheduled-next-week/364952001/)

I've never seen it indicated, and took me a little while to figure it out, but they're reconstructing these overpasses over 95 North differently than they are now.

Currently, you have 3 roadbeds:  I-95 North (to 495), I-295 North, and the C/D road for the Rt. 141 Ramps.  Between each of these roadways are the piers for the bridges.

They are rebuilding them with only one pier: Between I-95 North, and I-295 North.  They may keep the C/D road for 141 as is, or have the cloverleaves merge directly with the 295 roadway.

The most important item of this design, that has never been mentioned as far as I can tell:  It provides the room to widen I-295 to 3 lanes in the future if they decide to widen it!  The current bridge piers do not allow for such widening. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on June 02, 2017, 11:50:59 PM
Did anyone else notice that Delaware owns a majority of the Delaware memorial bridge, The Water that Delaware claims extends all the way to jerseys side of the bridge right on the coast.
Does that mean that Delaware owns more of the bridge and rights or does DRBA Make it 50-50.

Delaware doesn't own any of the bridge.  Neither does NJ.  The majority of the bridge is within the State of Delaware.  And that is fairly well known, as all of the Delaware River is considered Delaware State.  Look closely on some maps, and you'll see there's a few small sections on the NJ side of the river that are actually part of Delaware as well. This is due to river sediments that have built up over the years and formed land on the Jersey side of the Delaware.

There are two small signs on the 295 South side of the bridge noting the Delaware State Line.  There are no such signs on the Jersey bound span.

The bridge is maintained by a bi-state authority, the DRBA.  There's no 50/50 split.  They fund themselves via the tolls.  The DRBA maintains much more than the bridge...they maintain the roadway from approximately US 130 (NJ) to 95/495 (DE).

That is the result of the 12 mile circle that is what now forms the arc in the PA-DE Border.  From all points along the DE/ PA State Line it is 12 miles to the New Castle Courthouse in New Castle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-Mile_Circle
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on June 03, 2017, 12:04:47 AM
It makes sense now. Delaware has a very unique shape. & it looks like 141 is almost done, that area is a death trap, the death ramps (because of construction) & close lanes are a bad mix. I wonder how far along the 295 construction is.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on June 03, 2017, 07:53:54 AM
It has something to do with the Duke of York and William Penn.

In addition the point where the DE-NJ Border moves into the center of the Delaware River is also 12 miles to the south of New Castle's Courthouse.  Thus to end the reaches of the circle. 

NJ over the years tried to get the boundaries changed, even as recent as 2007, but again lost the fight.  Even one instance, I was reading that NJ wanted to use land on their side of the Delaware River that was legally in Delaware and the State of Delaware was ready to send in the National Guard to stop them.  I do not know how true that is, but that would be interesting to see an actual battle between two states if it did happen.

Edit:  Here is a link to that dispute over NJ wanting to build a gas plant on Delaware's side of the line. http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1127/p02s02-usju.html
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on June 10, 2017, 07:50:27 PM
Newly installed signs on SR 2 EB approaching Delaware Park Dr, erected as a part of a project to lengthen the SR 2 EB turn lane to Milltown Road NB.  Someone should probably check on the guy who manufactured the middle sign and make sure he's alright.

(https://image.prntscr.com/image/asAu3RvuS2exFWQJGg8FKw.png)

EDIT: Fixed picture.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on June 11, 2017, 08:22:42 AM
Alex, instead of the image, I'm getting a tiny grayish do-not-enter sign.  Is anyone else having that problem?

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: davewiecking on June 11, 2017, 08:41:27 AM
All I see is the "broken image" image...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on June 11, 2017, 01:16:02 PM
Whoops, must've been the source I was pulling it from, it had displayed correctly for me.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on June 11, 2017, 01:19:12 PM
Newly installed signs on SR 2 EB approaching Delaware Park Dr, erected as a part of a project to lengthen the SR 2 EB turn lane to Milltown Road NB.  Someone should probably check on the guy who manufactured the middle sign and make sure he's alright.

(https://image.prntscr.com/image/asAu3RvuS2exFWQJGg8FKw.png)

The second sign uses the proper size down arrow for an overhead guide sign! What's wrong with that? :-D
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 12, 2017, 01:10:16 PM
Newly installed signs on SR 2 EB approaching Delaware Park Dr, erected as a part of a project to lengthen the SR 2 EB turn lane to Milltown Road NB.  Someone should probably check on the guy who manufactured the middle sign and make sure he's alright.

(https://image.prntscr.com/image/asAu3RvuS2exFWQJGg8FKw.png)

EDIT: Fixed picture.

You can barely tell the two apart.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PurdueBill on June 12, 2017, 09:40:52 PM
Posted this in the Signs with 3 Control Cities thread and thought such was worth reposting here:

This pull-through BGS w/3 listings for I-495 South is now no-more.
(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/delaware495/i-495_sb_exit_006_02.jpg)
The 70s-vintage gantry (possibly original) and the 10(?) year-old BGS' were completely replaced with a pipe-style gantry.  The new pull-through BGS now longer lists Del Mem Br.

All the new BGS' feature oversized Clearview fonts for the control cities (which overshadow the route shields & make for larger sign panels); but, unlike the Clearview BGS further south along I-95, the exit tabs are thankfully not the MD-style elongated ones (though the tab legends are in Clearview, a long-time FHWA no-no).

Either the designs for these new BGS panels were approved prior to the Feds yanking the interim approval for Clearview or DelDOT or the contractors simply didn't care.  I didn't see any other new sign installations on Naaman's Road (DE 92).   

Not sure if this was an accident-related replacement or part of an overall sign replacement project.  I say that because the previous signs (which were still there 2 weeks ago) were still in decent shape.

Funny you commented on this, I had noticed it when I was driving a couple weeks ago, & was gonna post something about it. What made them choose bubble gantry? Is that the new thing now? & on other delaware related things, new High mast lights kn 495/95.

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Got a photo just a couple weeks ago of a tube gantry at Exit 2 on 495 NB.  Indeed there is OVERSIZED Clearview on the new sign.  Sigh.

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18581762_10108222922848628_761324525481497796_n.jpg?oh=e5248125493f603181ade7b844b72fe9&oe=59A789C8)

The estimate of the age of the existing signage is pretty accurate judging from Street View inspection here and there on 495.  The Exit 2 sign I posted appeared sometime in late 2007 or early 2008 based on the street view; the ones at Naamans Road that are now gone are probably from the same project and street view inspection shows the same rough age.  Older signs at the same locations are classic DelDOT issue (rounded corners, sheet signs, exit tabs not totally fused to main sign, lighting included) while the signs that are just now being removed are extruded, no lighting, square corners--not classic DelDOT.  The new signs really stink compared to the previous ones.  The Clearview is WAY TOO LARGE.  9 or 10 years is too young to be getting rid of the existing signs....
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: briantroutman on June 12, 2017, 10:16:07 PM
^ OK–semi-related to the above: Could anybody shed some light on the history and logic behind the control cities listed at the I-95/I-495 split at the DE/PA state line?

I was driving that way a few days ago, and what I believe was the first diagrammatic guide sign caught my eye. (I used to drive this route often when I lived in the Philadelphia area before, so I’m not sure why it didn’t stand out before.) The I-495 half of the sign read something along the lines of:

     (495)
[   ]y/Port of
  Wilmington
   Baltimore

Then on a subsequent sign, I could read it fully:

     (495)
  City/Port of
  Wilmington
   Baltimore

According to GSV “City/Port of”  was added on an awkwardly loose greenout panel (obscuring part of the diagrammatic arrow) at some point before 2007. Then most of “City”  on the first diagrammatic sign was either cut off or again greened out at some point between November of 2015 and July 2016.

It’s my understanding that DelDOT has been making efforts to encourage through I-95 traffic to use I-495 instead, going so far as to mark I-95 as LOCAL TRAFFIC and I-495 as THRU TRAFFIC, and possibly (I can’t recall if this was an actual proposal or a roadgeek pipe dream) considering demoting the city route to BL status and marking I-95 on the bypass.

Despite all that, the existing I-95 route through the city would seem to be the logical route to most downtown destinations. So why would they want to direct Wilmington City-bound traffic over I-495? I assume these signs are maintained by PennDOT, but I assume any changes to the sign are a coordinated DE/PA effort.



Never mind...I found the answer in a different thread.

Again, to be clear; the City/Port of patch was placed over the original Port of patch during a reconstruction of I-95 that took place in the late 90s/early 2000s.  That patch was supposed to be removed when the project was completed.  The original distinction was just Wilmington for I-95 South and Port of Wilmington for I-495 South.

So a follow-up question: If Wilmington traffic was supposed to take I-495 during this project, was a different greenout patch placed over “Wilmington”  on the I-95 side? And if so, what did it say (if anything)?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PurdueBill on June 12, 2017, 11:06:15 PM


So a follow-up question: If Wilmington traffic was supposed to take I-495 during this project, was a different greenout patch placed over “Wilmington”  on the I-95 side? And if so, what did it say (if anything)?

The southbound closure was full closure of 95 in that project in 2000, so the 95 part of the signs had orange CLOSED banners tacked on.  The "City of" addition was supposed to make it obvious that 495 also reaches Wilmington proper as well as the port, but with the greenout still in place it is confusing. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 13, 2017, 08:42:31 AM
That 95 reconstruction project was also why 495 South merged back into 95 South with two lanes, while 95 South effectively only had one thru lane (as the right lane became an Exit Only lane).  It was to further encourage motorists to use 495, and gave them easy access back onto 95 South.

When the 495 bridge over the Christina River tilted and required 495 to be closed, the configuration at that 495/95 merge finally went back to 495 having 1 lane and 95 having two lanes.

In a related note as to how Delaware seemingly forgets about construction signage, the modified signage DelDOT put up on 95 for that emergency construction project on 495 still remains.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: epzik8 on June 15, 2017, 05:29:32 PM
Posted this in the Signs with 3 Control Cities thread and thought such was worth reposting here:

This pull-through BGS w/3 listings for I-495 South is now no-more.
(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/delaware495/i-495_sb_exit_006_02.jpg)
The 70s-vintage gantry (possibly original) and the 10(?) year-old BGS' were completely replaced with a pipe-style gantry.  The new pull-through BGS now longer lists Del Mem Br.

All the new BGS' feature oversized Clearview fonts for the control cities (which overshadow the route shields & make for larger sign panels); but, unlike the Clearview BGS further south along I-95, the exit tabs are thankfully not the MD-style elongated ones (though the tab legends are in Clearview, a long-time FHWA no-no).

Either the designs for these new BGS panels were approved prior to the Feds yanking the interim approval for Clearview or DelDOT or the contractors simply didn't care.  I didn't see any other new sign installations on Naaman's Road (DE 92).   

Not sure if this was an accident-related replacement or part of an overall sign replacement project.  I say that because the previous signs (which were still there 2 weeks ago) were still in decent shape.

Funny you commented on this, I had noticed it when I was driving a couple weeks ago, & was gonna post something about it. What made them choose bubble gantry? Is that the new thing now? & on other delaware related things, new High mast lights kn 495/95.

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Got a photo just a couple weeks ago of a tube gantry at Exit 2 on 495 NB.  Indeed there is OVERSIZED Clearview on the new sign.  Sigh.

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18581762_10108222922848628_761324525481497796_n.jpg?oh=e5248125493f603181ade7b844b72fe9&oe=59A789C8)

The estimate of the age of the existing signage is pretty accurate judging from Street View inspection here and there on 495.  The Exit 2 sign I posted appeared sometime in late 2007 or early 2008 based on the street view; the ones at Naamans Road that are now gone are probably from the same project and street view inspection shows the same rough age.  Older signs at the same locations are classic DelDOT issue (rounded corners, sheet signs, exit tabs not totally fused to main sign, lighting included) while the signs that are just now being removed are extruded, no lighting, square corners--not classic DelDOT.  The new signs really stink compared to the previous ones.  The Clearview is WAY TOO LARGE.  9 or 10 years is too young to be getting rid of the existing signs....
Nobody trash-talks Clearview!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 10, 2017, 02:10:43 PM
They have recently changed the traffic pattern on I-295 after crossing the Delaware Memorial Bridge.  Previously, the left most lane was closed out of 4 lanes.  Now, with the opening of half the new overpass over US 13/40, the left 2 lanes of 295 are open, the right two lanes are closed, with the right-most aux lane for Rt. 9 also working as a thru lane.  There's a short weave area approaching the 13/40 exit should you want to go that direction. 

The 2 new lanes open over 13/40 are a bit wider than the former 2 lanes in the construction zone, so that'll help traffic move thru there.  The area between 13/40 and 495 functions like the stretch between 9 and 13/40, with a short weave area to get to 495. 

As you approach the curve for 95 South, those lanes narrow as they are doing work on the right side.  The concrete is fairly chopped up in that area as well, so that'll slow traffic down for a while there.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: KEVIN_224 on August 10, 2017, 04:25:43 PM
I'm guessing this is on the Delaware side of the bridge? I know US Route 13 doesn't enter New Jersey.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jwolfer on August 10, 2017, 06:50:51 PM
I'm guessing this is on the Delaware side of the bridge? I know US Route 13 doesn't enter New Jersey.
This is the Delaware thread, great educated guess

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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: epzik8 on August 13, 2017, 01:25:45 AM
I'm guessing this is on the Delaware side of the bridge? I know US Route 13 doesn't enter New Jersey.
It doesn't, although Morrisville, Pennsylvania, where it reaches its northern terminus, is close.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on August 13, 2017, 12:30:23 PM
I'm guessing this is on the Delaware side of the bridge? I know US Route 13 doesn't enter New Jersey.
It doesn't, although Morrisville, Pennsylvania, where it reaches its northern terminus, is close.

And as it goes through Chester, Trainer, and Marcus Hook, you'd never know 13 is the same highway that's a dual road between Minquadale, DE and the CBBT.

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on August 16, 2017, 06:14:18 PM
Newly released information on the upcoming makeover of Main Street through Newark:
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2017/08/16/deldot-newark-unveil-plans-main-street-makeover/572043001/ (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2017/08/16/deldot-newark-unveil-plans-main-street-makeover/572043001/)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 25, 2017, 07:17:13 PM
US 202 between I-95 and the PA state line was rededicated as "Gold Star Highway" today:
http://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=6780 (http://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=6780)

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U.S. 202 Rededicated as the Gold Star Highway in Honor of Families of Soldiers

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The Delaware Department of Transportation (DelDOT) announced today the rededication of U.S. 202 from the Delaware/ Pennsylvania line south to the I 95 interchange as the Gold Star Highway. Transportation Secretary Jennifer Cohan along with Governor John Carney made the announcement to an assembled audience within the sculpture garden of the Blue Ball Barn. Formalizing the event, the Governor proclaimed Monday, September 25, 2017 as "Delaware Gold Star Mothers' and Families' Day".

CNN has described the Gold Star designation as a venerated status that no one wants. For nearly 100 years, inclusion has been earned for losing an immediate family member serving during war/conflict. A Gold Star Lapel Button is issued to immediate family members of those who have lost their lives in the defense of democracy during WWI and II, and any subsequent armed hostilities in which the United States became engaged. It is also issued for Act of Terrorism deaths. Formal recognition of these families was launched in 1947 by an Act of Congress. The Next of Kin Lapel Button was authorized retroactive to March 29, 1973, for those who lost their lives while serving on active duty in other than a combat theatre or act of terrorism.

This is the first I've heard about this, I wonder how hard the new name is going to be pushed over the current "Concord Pike" name on signage.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on September 25, 2017, 07:50:35 PM
The POW/MIA Parkway in West Dover was dedicated on Sept. 15.

http://delawarestatenews.net/news/west-dover-connector-opens-new-road-honors-powmias/

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Aerobird on September 26, 2017, 12:08:16 AM
This is the first I've heard about this, I wonder how hard the new name is going to be pushed over the current "Concord Pike" name on signage.

Probably about as much as "Pearl Harbor Memorial Highway" is over "Interstate 10" here in Florida.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 26, 2017, 06:13:22 AM
US 202 between I-95 and the PA state line was rededicated as "Gold Star Highway" today:
http://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=6780 (http://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=6780)

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U.S. 202 Rededicated as the Gold Star Highway in Honor of Families of Soldiers

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The Delaware Department of Transportation (DelDOT) announced today the rededication of U.S. 202 from the Delaware/ Pennsylvania line south to the I 95 interchange as the Gold Star Highway. Transportation Secretary Jennifer Cohan along with Governor John Carney made the announcement to an assembled audience within the sculpture garden of the Blue Ball Barn. Formalizing the event, the Governor proclaimed Monday, September 25, 2017 as "Delaware Gold Star Mothers' and Families' Day".

CNN has described the Gold Star designation as a venerated status that no one wants. For nearly 100 years, inclusion has been earned for losing an immediate family member serving during war/conflict. A Gold Star Lapel Button is issued to immediate family members of those who have lost their lives in the defense of democracy during WWI and II, and any subsequent armed hostilities in which the United States became engaged. It is also issued for Act of Terrorism deaths. Formal recognition of these families was launched in 1947 by an Act of Congress. The Next of Kin Lapel Button was authorized retroactive to March 29, 1973, for those who lost their lives while serving on active duty in other than a combat theatre or act of terrorism.

This is the first I've heard about this, I wonder how hard the new name is going to be pushed over the current "Concord Pike" name on signage.

It won't, except in some DelDOT news releases. Traffic reports won't mention it, just like they don't mention the John F. Kennedy Highway rather than I-95.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jcn on September 27, 2017, 01:04:20 AM
I'm guessing this is on the Delaware side of the bridge? I know US Route 13 doesn't enter New Jersey.
It doesn't, although Morrisville, Pennsylvania, where it reaches its northern terminus, is close.

And as it goes through Chester, Trainer, and Marcus Hook, you'd never know 13 is the same highway that's a dual road between Minquadale, DE and the CBBT.

ixnay

And it's southern terminus is at I-95 near Fayetteville, NC.  Did anyone know that?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on September 27, 2017, 06:06:54 PM
I'm guessing this is on the Delaware side of the bridge? I know US Route 13 doesn't enter New Jersey.
It doesn't, although Morrisville, Pennsylvania, where it reaches its northern terminus, is close.

And as it goes through Chester, Trainer, and Marcus Hook, you'd never know 13 is the same highway that's a dual road between Minquadale, DE and the CBBT.

ixnay

And it's southern terminus is at I-95 near Fayetteville, NC.  Did anyone know that?
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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jcn on September 28, 2017, 11:29:37 PM
Living in Wilmington for several years, I've noticed how on Interstate 95 at the 9th Street overpass, the pillar on the southbound side is completely different than the ones on the northbound side and in the median.  Why do you think that is?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on September 28, 2017, 11:55:39 PM
Living in Wilmington for several years, I've noticed how on Interstate 95 at the 9th Street overpass, the pillar on the southbound side is completely different than the ones on the northbound side and in the median.  Why do you think that is?
Probably magic.


ETA: What the heck, actually? https://goo.gl/maps/QSQhNhBKkVo (https://goo.gl/maps/QSQhNhBKkVo)
ETA2: And it happens with all the pillars at 10th Street, but nowhere else.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jcn on September 29, 2017, 12:56:42 AM
ETA: What the heck, actually? https://goo.gl/maps/QSQhNhBKkVo (https://goo.gl/maps/QSQhNhBKkVo)
ETA2: And it happens with all the pillars at 10th Street, but nowhere else.

You are right about how the pillars at the 9th and 10th Street overpasses (minus the one on the southbound end of the 9th street overpass) are very unique.  With the 95 connection ramps in Bucks County, PA opening next August, it's possible that very soon, some through traffic will see those unique pillars as well.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 29, 2017, 06:09:04 AM
ETA: What the heck, actually? https://goo.gl/maps/QSQhNhBKkVo (https://goo.gl/maps/QSQhNhBKkVo)
ETA2: And it happens with all the pillars at 10th Street, but nowhere else.

You are right about how the pillars at the 9th and 10th Street overpasses (minus the one on the southbound end of the 9th street overpass) are very unique.  With the 95 connection ramps in Bucks County, PA opening next August, it's possible that very soon, some through traffic will see those unique pillars as well.

It looks like just some reinforcement to the existing bridge support.

I've seen something like this elsewhere, but not to this extent.

Most thru traffic though will never look at the bridge supports though.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on September 29, 2017, 08:46:17 AM
ETA: What the heck, actually? https://goo.gl/maps/QSQhNhBKkVo (https://goo.gl/maps/QSQhNhBKkVo)
ETA2: And it happens with all the pillars at 10th Street, but nowhere else.

You are right about how the pillars at the 9th and 10th Street overpasses (minus the one on the southbound end of the 9th street overpass) are very unique.  With the 95 connection ramps in Bucks County, PA opening next August, it's possible that very soon, some through traffic will see those unique pillars as well.

It looks like just some reinforcement to the existing bridge support.

I've seen something like this elsewhere, but not to this extent.

Most thru traffic though will never look at the bridge supports though.
No doubt, you likely had this one (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9085532,-75.1492098,3a,75y,297h,88.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBBA6yn_XigH-j3aFaAQKdQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) in mind when you typed the above.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 29, 2017, 09:33:16 AM
ETA: What the heck, actually? https://goo.gl/maps/QSQhNhBKkVo (https://goo.gl/maps/QSQhNhBKkVo)
ETA2: And it happens with all the pillars at 10th Street, but nowhere else.

You are right about how the pillars at the 9th and 10th Street overpasses (minus the one on the southbound end of the 9th street overpass) are very unique.  With the 95 connection ramps in Bucks County, PA opening next August, it's possible that very soon, some through traffic will see those unique pillars as well.

It looks like just some reinforcement to the existing bridge support.

I've seen something like this elsewhere, but not to this extent.

Most thru traffic though will never look at the bridge supports though.
No doubt, you likely had this one (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9085532,-75.1492098,3a,75y,297h,88.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBBA6yn_XigH-j3aFaAQKdQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) in mind when you typed the above.

You're probably right about that!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: seicer on September 29, 2017, 10:43:14 AM
This is common in other states on aging bridges. It's a cheaper way to reinforce a bridge.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on September 29, 2017, 06:36:14 PM
This is common in other states on aging bridges. It's a cheaper way to reinforce a bridge.
Cheaper than what? Extra columns? Also the bridges don't even look that old, though maybe because they're nice and polished white.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on September 29, 2017, 07:27:13 PM
This is common in other states on aging bridges. It's a cheaper way to reinforce a bridge.
Cheaper than what? Extra columns? Also the bridges don't even look that old, though maybe because they're nice and polished white.

Ninety-five through Wilmington city was built in the mid-'60's.

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: J N Winkler on September 29, 2017, 08:19:26 PM
This looks to me like a retrofitted crash wall, designed to redirect an errant truck longitudinally so it doesn't take the bridge down.  Since the I-80 Big Springs bridge collapse in Nebraska, there has been some research interest in ways to make bridges less vulnerable to impact loads from large trucks.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jcn on September 30, 2017, 10:11:31 AM
This is common in other states on aging bridges. It's a cheaper way to reinforce a bridge.
Cheaper than what? Extra columns? Also the bridges don't even look that old, though maybe because they're nice and polished white.

Ninety-five through Wilmington city was built in the mid-'60's.

ixnay

Yes, and I remember that the pillars weren't originally white.  They painted them white in the mid 2000's I believe.

But, like I said does anyone have any idea why at the 9th street overpass, the northbound and median pillars have that extra reinforcement, and the southbound one doesn't?

Also, you are right, JeffandNicole, that through traffic on 95 through Wilmington won't increase much when the ramps open.  One, because a lot of people will probably continue to get on 295 and take that to the Jersey Turnpike like they do now, and two, for those that do decide switch over to the 95 path through Philly when the ramps open, will probably use the 495 bypass around Wilmington, which they should. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: D-Dey65 on November 05, 2017, 09:07:34 PM
Hey, I found another Delaware House... but it's in Pennsylvania:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Delaware_House_-_panoramio.jpg

 :D :)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on November 07, 2017, 09:28:38 PM
DE 141 between DE 48 and DE 52 is becoming a bottleneck due to concrete replacement.

https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=6834

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on November 15, 2017, 04:42:12 PM
On DE 1 coming off the Milford bypass SB, approaching the interchange for DE 30, the countdown signs have been replaced.  Instead of pitching "Lincoln" in Clearview, they pitch "Lincoln/Milford" in post-Clearview MUTCD.

I imagine that interchange will get real busy once the new hospital in that vicinity is finished a year or so from now.

Meanwhile over on U.S. 113, improvements are on the way.  They'll come not a minute too soon, especially in the Millsboro/Dagsboro stretch.

http://coastalpoint.com/content/route-113-overpasses-coming-central-sussex-county_11_09_2017

https://delawarestatenews.net/news/millsboro-connector-top-priority-u-s-113-corridor-plan/

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on November 16, 2017, 08:31:33 AM
Back on DE 1, as DE 1 comes into Fenwick Island, it becomes "Fisher Edwards Memorial Boulevard".

I assumed it was named for one person until I came across this via Google (from 1974)...

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/157186788/

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FENWICK ISLAND - The Fenwick Town Council has decided to delay until next month consideration of a replacement for Councilman J. Livingston Edwards, who died two weeks ago. Possible replacements will be discussed at the February council meeting. Edwards' term expires in August. The council has also decided to ask the State Highway Division to rename the portion of Delaware 14 that goes through Fenwick the '"Fisher-Edwards Memorial Highway" for Edmond Fisher, one of the town founders and a former councilman, and Edwards. The two men died within a few months of each other and had been active in town affairs for many years.

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Henry on November 16, 2017, 10:11:44 AM
Hey, it's the next best thing to making a freeway on the Atlantic Coast.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on November 16, 2017, 04:03:43 PM
Hey, it's the next best thing to making a freeway on the Atlantic Coast.

 :thumbsup:

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on November 16, 2017, 04:06:02 PM
Hey, it's the next best thing to making a freeway on the Atlantic Coast.

 :thumbsup:

ixnay

Memo to Delmarva Power:  Replace those ugly power poles on SB DE 1 between Indian River Inlet and Fred Hudson Road.  They are rusting away and look ugly as a result.   :wow:

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 06, 2017, 08:05:33 PM
DelDOT held a workshop (https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/i95/i95_sr896/index.shtml) for a potential overhaul for the I-95 / DE 896 interchange yesterday, here are the three alternatives they presented in order of what they deemed "best."

Alternative 1 - Dual Flyovers
(https://image.prntscr.com/image/bVoQdbn5SLaTfZyaYfo8Dw.png)

Alternative 2 - Single Flyover
(https://image.prntscr.com/image/WQPP0DXRS4usFN-X3b9I6A.png)

Alternative 3 - DDI / Parclo Mashup...?
(https://image.prntscr.com/image/W4E2d3xdRAuRak8_I9O_qA.png)

Alternative 1 seems to be the favorite in terms of both traffic improvements and land impacts, the dual flyovers keep as many of the movements as free flowing as possible and don't encroach on the neighboring Iron Hill Park.  The second two alternatives require cutting slightly into the park to fit a smoother, now two lane loop ramp connecting DE 896 SB with I-95 NB.  All three of the alternatives move the gore point for the I-95 SB exit ramps significantly farther back to around the DE 72 overpass.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on December 06, 2017, 09:45:44 PM
I hope alt 3 is selected just because there's nothing like it anywhere else. But really, what's the problem here? Is it the SB weave between cloverloops? If so 2 is probably the best option, to avoid too much encouragement of shunpiking by making 896 SB any more free-flowing.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 06, 2017, 10:17:56 PM
I hope alt 3 is selected just because there's nothing like it anywhere else. But really, what's the problem here? Is it the SB weave between cloverloops? If so 2 is probably the best option, to avoid too much encouragement of shunpiking by making 896 SB any more free-flowing.

The I-95 SB to DE 896 SB movement is simply overcapacity and underdesigned.  Between the congestion, the truck traffic, and the slow speeds required to navigate it it frequently causes the right lanes of I-95 to back up past the DE 72 overpass.  The weave once you get onto DE 896 is also incredibly hectic, which doesn't help at all.

The DE 896 NB to I-95 NB ramp, while busy, doesn't really get all that backed up.  Its problem is the sharp corner at the bottom of a relatively steep hill that frequently catches truckers off-guard, often in a spectacular way.  This is the ramp that caused the Newark bee incident (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/20/bees-delaware-highway-ramp/9357161/) a few years back.  I think another semi flipped here just this past week too.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadsguy on December 06, 2017, 10:43:29 PM
I suppose the new 301 connection to DE 1 would take the 301-bound traffic out of this interchange, but I'm sure they took that into account and that it still needs improvements otherwise.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on December 07, 2017, 12:34:58 AM
I suppose the new 301 connection to DE 1 would take the 301-bound traffic out of this interchange, but I'm sure they took that into account and that it still needs improvements otherwise.
Well, if not going to 301, and not diverting to 40 (trucks especially) to shun the pike, what else is the reason to take 896 here? They may as well reinstate the Exit 1 ramp tolls.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 07, 2017, 06:27:34 AM
There's a lot of locals that take this exit, both towards Newark and Bear.  Actually, the 95 South to 896 South may be the heavier of the two during afternoon rush hours.  And because of traffic that insists on cutting in at the last moment, there's a lot of accidents in this area.  I've seen traffic backing up a few miles approaching this exit, and because of the 'staying left until late' effect, it can slow the whole highway between the Delaware Service Plaza and Exit 1. 

Of course, there's the shun-piking that goes on here too, but during the rush hour that's fairly minor compared to all the Delaware tags that are seen using these ramps.

Personally, #2 should do the job.  #1 is good but a little overkill.  #3 is designed by the intern who absolutely must redesign even the simplest intersection between every driveway and side street into an interchange with a DDI.

301 traffic really isn't a congestion-causing issue here, because the delays come from the locals in the area during rush hour.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on December 07, 2017, 09:45:03 PM
There's a lot of locals that take this exit, both towards Newark and Bear.  Actually, the 95 South to 896 South may be the heavier of the two during afternoon rush hours.  And because of traffic that insists on cutting in at the last moment, there's a lot of accidents in this area.  I've seen traffic backing up a few miles approaching this exit, and because of the 'staying left until late' effect, it can slow the whole highway between the Delaware Service Plaza and Exit 1. 

Of course, there's the shun-piking that goes on here too, but during the rush hour that's fairly minor compared to all the Delaware tags that are seen using these ramps.

Personally, #2 should do the job.  #1 is good but a little overkill.  #3 is designed by the intern who absolutely must redesign even the simplest intersection between every driveway and side street into an interchange with a DDI.

301 traffic really isn't a congestion-causing issue here, because the delays come from the locals in the area during rush hour.

I always thought the most direct shun-piking used 896 NB to DE 4 and DE 279, at least until they rehab DE 279 and take it down to one lane in each direction during construction.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on December 08, 2017, 08:53:49 AM
There's a lot of locals that take this exit, both towards Newark and Bear.  Actually, the 95 South to 896 South may be the heavier of the two during afternoon rush hours.  And because of traffic that insists on cutting in at the last moment, there's a lot of accidents in this area.  I've seen traffic backing up a few miles approaching this exit, and because of the 'staying left until late' effect, it can slow the whole highway between the Delaware Service Plaza and Exit 1. 

Of course, there's the shun-piking that goes on here too, but during the rush hour that's fairly minor compared to all the Delaware tags that are seen using these ramps.

Personally, #2 should do the job.  #1 is good but a little overkill.  #3 is designed by the intern who absolutely must redesign even the simplest intersection between every driveway and side street into an interchange with a DDI.

301 traffic really isn't a congestion-causing issue here, because the delays come from the locals in the area during rush hour.
I always thought the most direct shun-piking used 896 NB to DE 4 and DE 279, at least until they rehab DE 279 and take it down to one lane in each direction during construction.
If one's in a passenger vehicle, yes; but if one's in a commercial truck, that route does has a signed 'Thru-Truck' traffic prohibition.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on December 11, 2017, 09:33:11 AM
More on the I-95/SR 896 interchange redesign Alex posted about up thread.

DelDOT unveils ideas for improving I-95/Del. 896 interchange (http://www.cecildaily.com/news/state_news/article_c8a2a2e9-560d-5ccb-aac1-478514c119e9.html)

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The Delaware Department of Transportation is studying several options for redesigning the Interstate 95 and Del. 896 interchange in Newark.

The busy interchange has seen 400 crashes in the last four years, project manager Breanna Kovach said.

“We have an immediate safety need, and in the future, volumes are going to increase,”  Kovach said. “We need to fix it.”

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The project is estimated to cost between $124 million and $141 million. Each of the proposals would improve the interchange, but the more expensive option offers the most improvement, Kovach said.

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DelDOT is accepting public comments for the next month and will announce its preferred design in the spring.

Construction could begin as early as the summer of 2022 and will take nearly three years to complete, Kovach said.

For more information, visit https://deldot.gov/information/projects/i95/i95_sr896/index.shtml.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 11, 2017, 10:06:24 PM
More on the I-95/SR 896 interchange redesign Alex posted about up thread.

DelDOT unveils ideas for improving I-95/Del. 896 interchange (http://www.cecildaily.com/news/state_news/article_c8a2a2e9-560d-5ccb-aac1-478514c119e9.html)

Here is my irreverent suggestion  - bring back the ramp tolls that were originally part of this interchange, so southbound I-95 traffic to DE-896 and DE-896 to northbound I-95 have to pay tolls to exit and enter, respectively. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on December 11, 2017, 10:11:41 PM
^ With AET, you don't even need ramp tolls...just put a mainline overhead up somewhere east of DE 896 and lower the tolls at the state line accordingly.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on December 12, 2017, 12:37:44 AM
^ With AET, you don't even need ramp tolls...just put a mainline overhead up somewhere east of DE 896 and lower the tolls at the state line accordingly.
There are two ways to do it and capture all of the traffic you want to capture. Given that you're talking AET, the existing booths would have to be significantly reworked anyway. So you can either build two new mainline gantries, or one new mainline gantry and two ramp gantries. From experience, the easiest solution by far is to get all of the toll points as close together as possible, meaning locate the mainline AET just beyond the 896 interchange so that it can possibly share infrastructure with the ramp tolls.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 12, 2017, 06:20:08 AM
Delaware makes sure that they are inconveniencing their residents the least, which is why I-95 only has one toll at the state border, and why DE 1's tolls are $1 weekdays but $3 on the weekends.

If a toll point were to be installed north of Rt. 896, it would dramatically increase the number of vehicles exiting at Rt. 273.  The interchange is already over-utilized at rush hour, and traffic would then try to get to Old Baltimore Pike, a wide but 1-lane per direction roadway which congests already.  This would all wind up in the thread regarding fixing one problem but creating problems elsewhere.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 12, 2017, 08:31:45 AM
^ With AET, you don't even need ramp tolls...just put a mainline overhead up somewhere east of DE 896 and lower the tolls at the state line accordingly.

That would be a fine idea.  It's about equity.  Delaware needs to ask its own residents to pay some part of the Delaware Turnpike tolls.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 12, 2017, 08:37:51 AM
Delaware makes sure that they are inconveniencing their residents the least, which is why I-95 only has one toll at the state border, and why DE 1's tolls are $1 weekdays but $3 on the weekends.

If a toll point were to be installed north of Rt. 896, it would dramatically increase the number of vehicles exiting at Rt. 273.  The interchange is already over-utilized at rush hour, and traffic would then try to get to Old Baltimore Pike, a wide but 1-lane per direction roadway which congests already.  This would all wind up in the thread regarding fixing one problem but creating problems elsewhere.

In my fantasy  world, Delaware would be tolling all traffic on the Delaware Turnpike part of I-95 - from the mainline barrier between the state line and DE-896, as far east (north) as present-day Exit 4 at DE-7. 

I do not remember there being any tolls on the ramps at DE-141 or beyond.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on December 12, 2017, 10:06:02 AM
In my fantasy  world, Delaware would be tolling all traffic on the Delaware Turnpike part of I-95 - from the mainline barrier between the state line and DE-896, as far east (north) as present-day Exit 4 at DE-7.
Do keep in mind that the original plan for the Delaware Turnpike portion of I-95 was to have all the tolls eliminated once the original bonds that initially built the road were paid off. 

I do not remember there being any tolls on the ramps at DE-141 or beyond.
By beyond I'm assuming that you mean north or east of the DE 141 interchange.  There's good reason for that.  I-95 north of there is not part of the Delaware Turnpike system.

Anyway if Delaware was serious about reducing traffic exiting and bypassing the tollbooths (which are only there because of that portion of I-95 is the Delaware Turnpike and not due to waterway crossing); they could rationalize (i.e. lower) that extortion-like $4 toll and/or reinstate E-ZPass discounts.  While doing such would mean that less money would be collected per vehicle; the overall revenue collected could be higher and the local roads won't be as flooded with through-traffic as it is now.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 12, 2017, 12:30:49 PM
In my fantasy  world, Delaware would be tolling all traffic on the Delaware Turnpike part of I-95 - from the mainline barrier between the state line and DE-896, as far east (north) as present-day Exit 4 at DE-7.
Do keep in mind that the original plan for the Delaware Turnpike portion of I-95 was to have all the tolls eliminated once the original bonds that initially built the road were paid off. 

I do not remember there being any tolls on the ramps at DE-141 or beyond.
By beyond I'm assuming that you mean north or east of the DE 141 interchange.  There's good reason for that.  I-95 north of there is not part of the Delaware Turnpike system.

Anyway if Delaware was serious about reducing traffic exiting and bypassing the tollbooths (which are only there because of that portion of I-95 is the Delaware Turnpike and not due to waterway crossing); they could rationalize (i.e. lower) that extortion-like $4 toll and/or reinstate E-ZPass discounts.  While doing such would mean that less money would be collected per vehicle; the overall revenue collected could be higher and the local roads won't be as flooded with through-traffic as it is now.

How much traffic is actually diverting from I-95 that would've continued on I-95?

Once you get off the exit, there doesn't seem to be any real congestion issues caused by those on 896 North who eventually go to 279.  Likewise, those on 896 South that go to Old Baltimore Pike appear to be headed towards Elkton, and it's doubtful they would remain on 95 regardless of the toll since the time savings is minimal...or would even cause them to backtrack.  Traffic levels on 279 in Maryland always appear to be light.  Traffic levels on 896 in Delaware always appear to be in line with traffic on 273 around 95, which isn't a shunpike route. 

There's always plenty of talk on here as if half the traffic on 95 exits to avoid the toll, but that's not really the case.  And there's people on here that have stated they'll always avoid that toll plaza regardless of the toll.

Even if 10% of the traffic detours off I-95 to simply continue to I-95, if the goal is to keep every single one of those drivers on 95 it would mean tolls could only fall about 10% to $3.60 in order to maintain the status quo.  Since most people that avoid the toll now will probably continue to do so, it'll result in a net loss for Delaware.

Do some people use US 40 to avoid the I-95 toll?  Probably.   I can't imagine too many of them jumping over to I-95 willing to pay $3 compared to $4.  I think, as discussed here, many people use US 40 to avoid the traffic on I-95.  If reducing the toll on I-95 is done to encourage people to stay on I-95, motorists aren't going to suddenly pay a reduced toll if there's more traffic.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on December 12, 2017, 01:49:56 PM
^^Such was discussed nearly 3 years ago in this thread several pages back starting at Reply #455 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.450) in response to an article about trucks bypassing the Delaware Turnpike's tolls & increased patrols along 896 between I-95 and the MD line.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 12, 2017, 11:07:44 PM
In my fantasy  world, Delaware would be tolling all traffic on the Delaware Turnpike part of I-95 - from the mainline barrier between the state line and DE-896, as far east (north) as present-day Exit 4 at DE-7.
Do keep in mind that the original plan for the Delaware Turnpike portion of I-95 was to have all the tolls eliminated once the original bonds that initially built the road were paid off.

I suppose the revenues collected at the one toll point were too juicy to give up.  Supposedly a lot of that money goes for projects that have nothing to do with the Delaware Turnpike, including in far-away (by Delaware standards) Sussex County.

I do not remember there being any tolls on the ramps at DE-141 or beyond.
By beyond I'm assuming that you mean north or east of the DE 141 interchange.  There's good reason for that.  I-95 north of there is not part of the Delaware Turnpike system.

Anyway if Delaware was serious about reducing traffic exiting and bypassing the tollbooths (which are only there because of that portion of I-95 is the Delaware Turnpike and not due to waterway crossing); they could rationalize (i.e. lower) that extortion-like $4 toll and/or reinstate E-ZPass discounts.  While doing such would mean that less money would be collected per vehicle; the overall revenue collected could be higher and the local roads won't be as flooded with through-traffic as it is now.

Yes, I meant north  or east of DE-141 (I remember when the Delaware Turnpike ramp tolls were still in place, but I was not sure how away from the mainline barrier they were).

I do remember that there were never ramp tolls on I-295 in Delaware. 

The first time I drove I-95 north of I-295 in Delaware (through Wilmington), it was after the ramp tolls were gone (but before the I-495 bypass freeway was built).  I think I-95 at the time ended at PA-291 near Philadelphia Airport, and I-476 was not built.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on December 13, 2017, 12:17:24 AM
I remember when I-95 ended at PA 291, and I-476 was just signed for MacDade Blvd.   The SB side opened in the Philadelphia Airport area in 1985 and using PA 291 was a mess between the completed segments.

Yes I remember the unmanned ramp tolls in Delaware too.  I thought it was odd that there were no booths, but now we have them frequently in Florida and in many areas no cash tolls.    I also remember the fare for the Delaware Memorial Bridge was only 60 cents as tolls were usually increased by only 5 or 10 cents at the time as the dollar value was more and a 10 cent hike was considered to be steep.   The bridge stayed at 60 cents for a long time.  I do not remember what the Turnpike mainline toll was, but in MD it was 90 cents to cross the Susquehanna River which I think was more than the Delaware Turnpike. MD House was the only service area on the JFK and yes it had unmanned ramp tolls too. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on December 13, 2017, 08:01:29 AM
The DelPike's toll booth actually rated a postcard that found its way to Ebay...

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/3NMAAOSwn25aJn73/s-l300.jpg)

And here are Kennedy and Govs. J. Millard Tawes (MD) (left) and Elbert "Bert" Carvel (DE) (right) at the dedication of the Wilmington-to-Baltimore DE 141-to-MD 43 segment, with a replica Mason-Dixon stone in the median.  The MD segment was originally called the Northeastern Expressway. 

A week later, JFK went to Dallas.

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-52856d90/turbine/ph-ag-jfk-highway-50-anniversary-1113-20131114)

And a Baltimore Sun retrospective article about the opening.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/fallston-joppa/ph-ag-jfk-highway-50-anniversary-1113-20131114-story.html

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on December 20, 2017, 09:53:44 AM
Was heading south from Wilmington last night on I-95 and noticed new APL signs for I-295 North.  The interesting thing is they have now assigned an exit number (5C) to I-295 going southbound, whereas there was no exit number previously.  However, it has yet to be signed (if it will be) on I-95 North.  Also unknown is if the I-495 exit will receive an exit number.  Going south from PA, the I-495 split does have an exit number (Exit 11) on I-95, though that is the same exit number as Naamans Road (which shares the I-495 ramp southbound but has its own ramp northbound).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 20, 2017, 02:30:15 PM
Delawareonline had a neat '50s picture of the Five Points intersection in Lewes in an
article (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/delaware/2017/12/20/five-points-traffic-lewes/964755001/) today about a rekindled push to fix the intersection.

(https://image.prntscr.com/image/jotSx6DZRwe2djc84zAZYQ.png)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on December 20, 2017, 07:43:12 PM
The mileage sign formerly affixed to the 18th Street overpass was relocated northward in place of what was a sign listing the distances to Chester and Philadelphia (https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/delaware095/i-095_nb_exit_009_01.jpg).

(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/delaware095/i-095_nb_exit_008_05.jpg)

Problem with this is that the sign was not updated to reflect the shorter distance, so the 3 miles listed for SR 3 is actually 1.1 mile. Thanks to Bob for the heads up.

Also unfortunately the state named shield for I-95 at 8th and Jackson Streets in Wilmington is no more. The assembly was removed completely, without a neutered replacement. That leaves just one state-named shield in all of Delaware.

Spotted today also a third monotube assembly for I-95 in Wilmington in addition to the two that Dan posted on the NERoads FB group. The new overhead is on SR 52 / Delaware Avenue north.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 20, 2017, 08:59:08 PM
The mileage sign formerly affixed to the 18th Street overpass was relocated northward in place of what was a sign listing the distances to Chester and Philadelphia (https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/delaware095/i-095_nb_exit_009_01.jpg).

(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/delaware095/i-095_nb_exit_008_05.jpg)

Problem with this is that the sign was not updated to reflect the shorter distance, so the 3 miles listed for SR 3 is actually 1.1 mile. Thanks to Bob for the heads up.

Also unfortunately the state named shield for I-95 at 8th and Jackson Streets in Wilmington is no more. The assembly was removed completely, without a neutered replacement. That leaves just one state-named shield in all of Delaware.

Spotted today also a third monotube assembly for I-95 in Wilmington in addition to the two that Dan posted on the NERoads FB group. The new overhead is on SR 52 / Delaware Avenue north.

Also notable is that they're still placing the BGSs on overpasses.  Other states are moving away from that, putting the BGSs on their own structures.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: RoadPelican on December 20, 2017, 09:07:12 PM
The reason why there is a huge traffic problem at the Five Points intersection is because of the lack of good east-west routes going from US 113 to Route 1.  By good, I mean a 4 lane divided highway that goes from US 113 to Rt 1.  All of the east-west routes (404, 24, 26, 54) are only two lanes.  Most traffic coming from the North (Wilmington/Philly) will come via Route 1 because it is a 4 lane expressway (the only one that connects the DE beaches to the rest of Delaware).  Give motorists another option and try and widen (404, 24, 26, 54) it might be less expensive then putting a full interchange in at Five Points.

I cannot believe the state just spent millions of dollars on Route 26 just to put in turn lanes and shoulders, when in actuality you need more thru traffic capacity and elected officials need to stop buying the lie that traffic is bad just 3 months out of the years.  Hoards and Hoards of people from NJ/NY and New England are moving to Delaware to live year round.

I read another article about Rt. 54 traffic in the Selbyville/Fenwick Island area and a member of Sussex County Government was asked about widening Rt 54 to 4 lanes and he basically just gave the "it's too expensive!" excuse.  It's like he is trapped in the 1950's.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on December 20, 2017, 09:13:59 PM
[T]he state named shield for I-95 at 8th and Jackson Streets in Wilmington is no more. The assembly was removed completely, without a neutered replacement. That leaves just one state-named shield in all of Delaware.

And where is *that*, may we ask?

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on December 20, 2017, 09:23:56 PM
Delawareonline had a neat '50s picture of the Five Points intersection in Lewes in an
article (http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/delaware/2017/12/20/five-points-traffic-lewes/964755001/) today about a rekindled push to fix the intersection.

(https://image.prntscr.com/image/jotSx6DZRwe2djc84zAZYQ.png)

Neatly signed, was that intersection (notice the sign for the then-2 lane, recently opened Bay Bridge), back when DE state-numbered roads had almost-square cutout shields before going to circular cutouts and later circles or ovals on black background shields.

The divided road going off into the distance and narrowing to two lanes (near where St. Jude's Catholic Church was later built) before shooting through Nassau and up to Milford is DE 14 (today's DE 1).

The 2-lane road running diagonally across DE 14/1 is DE 18 (today's U.S. 9/DE 404).

The area hadn't changed much by 1964.

(http://www.capegazette.com/sites/capegazette/files/2017/12/field/gallery_large/five-points-lewes-1964.jpg)

The 1964 picture appeared in today's Cape Gazette.  The a-framed building in the distance just off the northbound side of DE 14 (DE 1) is the aforementioned St. Jude's church.

http://www.capegazette.com/article/working-group-aims-solve-five-points/148150?source=fs&slide=4

Both photos appear to have been taken in summer.

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PurdueBill on December 21, 2017, 12:58:38 AM
Was heading south from Wilmington last night on I-95 and noticed new APL signs for I-295 North.  The interesting thing is they have now assigned an exit number (5C) to I-295 going southbound, whereas there was no exit number previously.  However, it has yet to be signed (if it will be) on I-95 North.  Also unknown is if the I-495 exit will receive an exit number.  Going south from PA, the I-495 split does have an exit number (Exit 11) on I-95, though that is the same exit number as Naamans Road (which shares the I-495 ramp southbound but has its own ramp northbound).

Didn't there used to be one sign (just one) with an exit number for 495 from 95 north?  I believe it was called Exit 5D on the one sign, but I don't recall 5C being used which I presume was intended for 295.  5A-B being for 141 with the 141 exits conflating with the split for 295 complicates things.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 21, 2017, 06:24:29 AM
Was heading south from Wilmington last night on I-95 and noticed new APL signs for I-295 North.  The interesting thing is they have now assigned an exit number (5C) to I-295 going southbound, whereas there was no exit number previously.  However, it has yet to be signed (if it will be) on I-95 North.  Also unknown is if the I-495 exit will receive an exit number.  Going south from PA, the I-495 split does have an exit number (Exit 11) on I-95, though that is the same exit number as Naamans Road (which shares the I-495 ramp southbound but has its own ramp northbound).

Didn't there used to be one sign (just one) with an exit number for 495 from 95 north?  I believe it was called Exit 5D on the one sign, but I don't recall 5C being used which I presume was intended for 295.  5A-B being for 141 with the 141 exits conflating with the split for 295 complicates things.

Yep - the interchange with 141 and the interchange with 495 shouldn't have anything to do with each other, but because Delaware still uses sequential numbering, and being the MLK Interchange is Exit 6, Delaware has themselves in a tight stop and has to use Exit 5C/D with I-495.

Of the remaining sequentially numbered states, Delaware usually isn't talked about because of how short it is.  If DE moved to mileage-based numbering, the exit numbers would roughly double.  Rt. 141 should really be Exit 10 or 11; I-495 should be Exit 12. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on December 21, 2017, 07:33:13 AM
Was heading south from Wilmington last night on I-95 and noticed new APL signs for I-295 North.  The interesting thing is they have now assigned an exit number (5C) to I-295 going southbound, whereas there was no exit number previously.  However, it has yet to be signed (if it will be) on I-95 North.  Also unknown is if the I-495 exit will receive an exit number.  Going south from PA, the I-495 split does have an exit number (Exit 11) on I-95, though that is the same exit number as Naamans Road (which shares the I-495 ramp southbound but has its own ramp northbound).

Didn't there used to be one sign (just one) with an exit number for 495 from 95 north?  I believe it was called Exit 5D on the one sign, but I don't recall 5C being used which I presume was intended for 295.  5A-B being for 141 with the 141 exits conflating with the split for 295 complicates things.

Yep - the interchange with 141 and the interchange with 495 shouldn't have anything to do with each other, but because Delaware still uses sequential numbering, and being the MLK Interchange is Exit 6, Delaware has themselves in a tight stop and has to use Exit 5C/D with I-495.

Of the remaining sequentially numbered states, Delaware usually isn't talked about because of how short it is.  If DE moved to mileage-based numbering, the exit numbers would roughly double.  Rt. 141 should really be Exit 10 or 11; I-495 should be Exit 12.

And then there's DE 1 whose exits (and grade-separated intersections south of Dover) have kilometer-based numbers (but mileposts, rather than kilometer-posts, south of the C&D Canal).

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PurdueBill on December 21, 2017, 04:42:12 PM

And then there's DE 1 whose exits (and grade-separated intersections south of Dover) have kilometer-based numbers (but mileposts, rather than kilometer-posts, south of the C&D Canal).

ixnay

I remember back in the early 90s when the northernmost exits on DE 1 were 99, 100, 101 based on mileage.  Then they changed them to go with the "relief route" then-new highway and C&D Canal crossing, expecting metric requirements to stay in place.  Could Delaware be the only state that once had mileage-based exit numbers on at least one of its roads and now has none?

(The signs on DE 1 with metric units were wacky while they lasted.  Toll Plaza 500 m.  Where is it?  15 minutes away? Around the next curve? No one knew!  Throw in the speed limit signs that were still in mph, and it's no surprise that the party didn't last.  Have to use one or the other for everything, not mix and match and half-change.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 24, 2018, 01:55:05 AM
The DelPike's toll booth actually rated a postcard that found its way to Ebay...

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/3NMAAOSwn25aJn73/s-l300.jpg)

And here are Kennedy and Govs. J. Millard Tawes (MD) (left) and Elbert "Bert" Carvel (DE) (right) at the dedication of the Wilmington-to-Baltimore DE 141-to-MD 43 segment, with a replica Mason-Dixon stone in the median.  The MD segment was originally called the Northeastern Expressway. 

A week later, JFK went to Dallas.

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-52856d90/turbine/ph-ag-jfk-highway-50-anniversary-1113-20131114)

And a Baltimore Sun retrospective article about the opening.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/fallston-joppa/ph-ag-jfk-highway-50-anniversary-1113-20131114-story.html

ixnay
Any pics of the original Delaware (Welcome Center) House available?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 02 Park Ave on January 31, 2018, 05:55:51 PM
Has a scheduled completion date been announced for the widening of I-295 in Delaware?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 31, 2018, 08:33:20 PM
Has a scheduled completion date been announced for the widening of I-295 in Delaware?

This page shows it is funded into 2020.  It's not very clear as to the timetable though.  http://www.drba.net/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=Y79gAqDCA6I%3d&tabid=81
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on February 01, 2018, 09:30:44 AM
The mileage sign formerly affixed to the 18th Street overpass was relocated northward in place of what was a sign listing the distances to Chester and Philadelphia (https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/delaware095/i-095_nb_exit_009_01.jpg).

(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/delaware095/i-095_nb_exit_008_05.jpg)

Also notable is that they're still placing the BGSs on overpasses.  Other states are moving away from that, putting the BGSs on their own structures.
A couple of things:

1.  You might want to re-read Alex's above-post again; the overpass-mounted mileage BGS in that pic. has been relocated/replaced with one further north.

2.  Those overpass-mounted BGS' in the pic. are at least a decade old and likely predated states phasing out that practice.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 01, 2018, 11:11:55 AM
The mileage sign formerly affixed to the 18th Street overpass was relocated northward in place of what was a sign listing the distances to Chester and Philadelphia (https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/delaware095/i-095_nb_exit_009_01.jpg).

(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/delaware095/i-095_nb_exit_008_05.jpg)

Also notable is that they're still placing the BGSs on overpasses.  Other states are moving away from that, putting the BGSs on their own structures.
A couple of things:

2.  Those overpass-mounted BGS' in the pic. are at least a decade old and likely predated states phasing out that practice.

The 2 lane exit is a result of the recent 95/202 interchange construction project.  The sign is newer than June, 2012, which is the date of this historic GSV: https://goo.gl/maps/MRBUb6aDdA42
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on February 01, 2018, 11:17:49 AM
The mileage sign formerly affixed to the 18th Street overpass was relocated northward in place of what was a sign listing the distances to Chester and Philadelphia (https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/delaware095/i-095_nb_exit_009_01.jpg).

(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/delaware095/i-095_nb_exit_008_05.jpg)

Also notable is that they're still placing the BGSs on overpasses.  Other states are moving away from that, putting the BGSs on their own structures.
A couple of things:

2.  Those overpass-mounted BGS' in the pic. are at least a decade old and likely predated states phasing out that practice.

The 2 lane exit is a result of the recent 95/202 interchange construction project.  The sign is newer than June, 2012, which is the date of this historic GSV: https://goo.gl/maps/MRBUb6aDdA42

Only the lower EXIT ONLY portion of that Exit 8 sign changed; the green portion of the sign is unchanged (& years older).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 01, 2018, 12:12:13 PM
The mileage sign formerly affixed to the 18th Street overpass was relocated northward in place of what was a sign listing the distances to Chester and Philadelphia (https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/delaware095/i-095_nb_exit_009_01.jpg).

(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/delaware095/i-095_nb_exit_008_05.jpg)

Also notable is that they're still placing the BGSs on overpasses.  Other states are moving away from that, putting the BGSs on their own structures.
A couple of things:

2.  Those overpass-mounted BGS' in the pic. are at least a decade old and likely predated states phasing out that practice.

The 2 lane exit is a result of the recent 95/202 interchange construction project.  The sign is newer than June, 2012, which is the date of this historic GSV: https://goo.gl/maps/MRBUb6aDdA42

Only the lower EXIT ONLY portion of that Exit 8 sign changed; the green portion of the sign is unchanged (& years older).

Ah, yeah, good eye.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadsguy on February 02, 2018, 08:58:52 AM
Is Delaware still using Clearview in new signs? Good thing they didn't replace the whole sign, since it would've definitely (at least at the time) been Clearview. :P
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on February 02, 2018, 09:21:31 AM
As of last year, NOBODY should be using Clearview in new signs, unless by chance the signs were designed prior to FHWA revoking their interim approval of Clearview...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on February 02, 2018, 02:40:21 PM
Is Delaware still using Clearview in new signs? Good thing they didn't replace the whole sign, since it would've definitely (at least at the time) been Clearview. :P
Some recent (within the past year) DelDOT installs along I-495 were still Clearview and oversized.  Guess on my part but those likely were approved/submitted just prior to the feds revoking the interim use of the Clearview font. 

Some of the surrounding signage at the I-95/US 202/DE 202 interchange is newer and features oversized Clearview.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: odditude on February 02, 2018, 05:00:45 PM
Is Delaware still using Clearview in new signs? Good thing they didn't replace the whole sign, since it would've definitely (at least at the time) been Clearview. :P
Some recent (within the past year) DelDOT installs along I-495 were still Clearview and oversized.  Guess on my part but those likely were approved/submitted just prior to the feds revoking the interim use of the Clearview font. 

Some of the surrounding signage at the I-95/US 202/DE 202 interchange is newer and features oversized Clearview.
that being said, the new signage on I-95 NB approaching the I-295 split (for Exit 5 / DE 141 SB (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6950023,-75.6206838,3a,75y,47.57h,82.47t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sS7IjBgB3l58Cm7cJNuAoGg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)) is in FHWA.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on February 02, 2018, 10:47:25 PM
Meanwhile, back at the beaches, we find this editorial about upcoming DelDOT workshops...

http://www.capegazette.com/article/take-notice-deldot-workshops/150335

And a letter writer gives advice as to how to improve Five Points...

http://www.capegazette.com/article/five-points-intersection-not-bad/150157

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: BrianP on February 21, 2018, 01:41:27 PM
Link to Delaware Bridge Oops (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=22319.0) topic in the Bridges forum.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on February 24, 2018, 06:25:14 PM
I-495's merge with (NB) and split from (SB) 95 at the north end could use direct connections between 495 and DE 92 (Naamans Rd.), so that users of that road (and patrons of Northtowne Plaza and Tristate Mall) don't have to negotiate U.S. 13 (Philadelphia Pike) to access 495 and vice versa.

https://tinyurl.com/y727sgp2

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on February 25, 2018, 07:53:45 PM
I-495's merge with (NB) and split from (SB) 95 at the north end could use direct connections between 495 and DE 92 (Naamans Rd.), so that users of that road (and patrons of Northtowne Plaza and Tristate Mall) don't have to negotiate U.S. 13 (Philadelphia Pike) to access 495 and vice versa.

https://tinyurl.com/y727sgp2


ixnay

Tri-State Mall is virtually dead right now.  That said, if any sort of redevelopment occurs (as government officials want), maybe traffic counts will warrant it.  The ramp to DE 92 from I-495 NB might be harder due to weaving, but there is less rationale for not building a ramp split from DE 92 to southbound I-495 from the current I-95 onramp.

Fixed quote.  -Mark
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on February 26, 2018, 06:52:35 PM
I-495's merge with (NB) and split from (SB) 95 at the north end could use direct connections between 495 and DE 92 (Naamans Rd.), so that users of that road (and patrons of Northtowne Plaza and Tristate Mall) don't have to negotiate U.S. 13 (Philadelphia Pike) to access 495 and vice versa.

https://tinyurl.com/y727sgp2


ixnay

Tri-State Mall is virtually dead right now.  That said, if any sort of redevelopment occurs (as government officials want), maybe traffic counts will warrant it.  The ramp to DE 92 from I-495 NB might be harder due to weaving, but there is less rationale for not building a ramp split from DE 92 to southbound I-495 from the current I-95 onramp.
Both directions would have weaving. It's less than 2,000 feet from where the ramp would join I-495 SB to the takeoff for US 13.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on February 27, 2018, 08:21:22 AM
An update on the DE 1 improvements at the turnoff for Bowers Beach...

https://delawarestatenews.net/news/deldot-begins-final-phase-little-heaven-project/

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on February 27, 2018, 03:58:10 PM
Looks like northbound DE 1 traffic has been shifted over to the north side frontage road through Little Heaven.  Here's a screengrab from the traffic camera conveniently placed next to the temporary alignment:
(https://image.prntscr.com/image/tbjiEkx2S1ai4NeA1tfsdg.png)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on March 12, 2018, 07:28:08 AM
The Cape Gazette praises the attention DelDOT is finally heaping on that region...

http://www.capegazette.com/article/deldot-shows-commitment-cape-region/152312

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on March 27, 2018, 09:53:36 PM
Ground has been broken on DE 1's newest interchange (at DE 14 on the Milford bypass).

https://delawarestatenews.net/news/deldot-breaks-ground-on-milford-overpass/

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: seicer on March 27, 2018, 10:44:38 PM
With the interchanges coming in - why are right-in and right-out movements permitted? Shouldn't these be eliminated in favor of a full freeway?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on March 27, 2018, 11:13:20 PM
With the interchanges coming in - why are right-in and right-out movements permitted? Shouldn't these be eliminated in favor of a full freeway?
Yeeeeeeah. But the cost of doing so may outweigh the benefit, so you end up with NY Parkway-style median closures instead. It's still technically a freeway, just not up to standards.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: seicer on March 27, 2018, 11:19:33 PM
I'm thinking that in this case, with the DE 14 interchange being right next to a right-in and right-out for a frontage road that's served by the interchange immediately next to it, why not close it? Going further south, I could see that - considering that DE 1 will never be a full freeway towards Maryland.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on March 28, 2018, 12:04:56 AM
I'm thinking that in this case, with the DE 14 interchange being right next to a right-in and right-out for a frontage road that's served by the interchange immediately next to it, why not close it? Going further south, I could see that - considering that DE 1 will never be a full freeway towards Maryland.
I was answering more in general, since there are other RIROs south of Dover.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on March 28, 2018, 05:15:38 PM
Most (if not all) of the interchange projects along DE 1 over the past 15 years have been for the purpose of corridor preservation...enabling it to retain its function by eliminating existing traffic signals and negating the need for new signals.  They were not intended for freeway conversion.  Nothing I have seen from DelDOT suggests that they're looking at future freeway conversion.

It should be noted that the RIRO in question (next to Royal Farms) is actually going to be part of the interchange.  While called the "DE 14 interchange" by some, the actual location of the overpass will be at the next downstream intersection.  The  existing DE 14 intersection will become a RIRO for local access.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on March 28, 2018, 08:59:54 PM
Was heading south from Wilmington last night on I-95 and noticed new APL signs for I-295 North.  The interesting thing is they have now assigned an exit number (5C) to I-295 going southbound, whereas there was no exit number previously.  However, it has yet to be signed (if it will be) on I-95 North.  Also unknown is if the I-495 exit will receive an exit number.  Going south from PA, the I-495 split does have an exit number (Exit 11) on I-95, though that is the same exit number as Naamans Road (which shares the I-495 ramp southbound but has its own ramp northbound).

Noticed going south on I-495, the exit for I-295 is now labeled as Exit 0.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 28, 2018, 09:48:49 PM
It should be noted that the RIRO in question (next to Royal Farms) is actually going to be part of the interchange.  While called the "DE 14 interchange" by some, the actual location of the overpass will be at the next downstream intersection.  The  existing DE 14 intersection will become a RIRO for local access.

DE 14 uses NE Front St which is where the overpass is being placed.  The RIRO conversion is at NE 10th St.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on March 29, 2018, 01:43:00 PM
That's what I get for going off memory....had them swapped.

That said, the high school is right off NE 10th which may partly explain why the RIRO is being kept.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on April 03, 2018, 01:48:25 PM
The Delaware Coast Line Railroad, spanning between Georgetown and Lewes, is now out of service east of DE 5.  From what I can tell this section of track serviced a lone pharmaceutical manufacturing facility by the entrance to Cape Henlopen.  The track removal will allow DelDOT to repurpose DE 1's overpass over the tracks for a future interchange with Minos Conaway Road and Nassau Road, as seen here:
(https://image.prntscr.com/image/3bqW1Bj0QgiRoiZCiRYrFg.png)

News Release (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=7039)
Minos Conaway Interchange Project (https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/SR1MinosConaway/index.shtml)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on April 03, 2018, 09:29:40 PM
http://www.capegazette.com/article/deldot-projects-concern-lewes-officials/153702

The Lewes city parents are concerned about the impact that the Minos Conaway Road project might have on New Road, which serves as a back way from Nassau and points north to UD's marine studies campus and the historic district.  I've used New Road quite a few times to get into old Lewes from points north where I live.

And this letter writer is concerned too.

http://www.capegazette.com/article/new-traffic-patterns-could-affect-lewes-traffic/154293

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As a longtime resident of New Road, I have a vested interest in seeing a thoughtful, balanced approach in managing the inevitable growth with the need for safe, flowing traffic.

With that in mind, I agree with the Lewes City Council concerning the likelihood of substantially increasing traffic on New Road. That scenario, along with the sale of the Groome land, will make the situation untenable.

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on April 14, 2018, 08:11:37 AM
A bill has been introduced (again) in Dover to give road workers hazard pay.

https://delawarestatenews.net/news/should-deldot-workers-get-hazard-pay/

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Senate Bill 141 would add DelDOT employees who regularly work on roads to the list of state workers who qualify for extra pay on the basis of risky aspects of their job. Under the bill, about 650 employees would receive an extra $2,320 annually, and 350 would earn another $1,100.

...

Currently, the only state employees earning hazard duty pay are those who work in the state’s prisons, psychiatric center or juvenile detention facilities.

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on April 14, 2018, 09:56:12 AM
A bill has been introduced (again) in Dover to give road workers hazard pay.

https://delawarestatenews.net/news/should-deldot-workers-get-hazard-pay/

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Senate Bill 141 would add DelDOT employees who regularly work on roads to the list of state workers who qualify for extra pay on the basis of risky aspects of their job. Under the bill, about 650 employees would receive an extra $2,320 annually, and 350 would earn another $1,100.

ixnay

Motorists really don't think anything of it, passing by a person standing just a few feet away at 75 mph.  These same people, at home, will yell at someone they perceive going 25 mph in a 20 zone.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on April 20, 2018, 08:09:01 PM
DelDOT's newest road improvement project for the beach area is the widening of the upper part of DE 24 as it nears DE 1 coming from Millsboro.

http://www.capegazette.com/article/deldot-plans-widen-route-24/155293

And on May 1, work on the Rehoboth Ave. (DE 1A) and Savannah Rd. (Business U.S. 9) drawbridges will begin.

http://www.capegazette.com/article/bridge-repair-work-rehoboth-begin-may-1/153334

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on May 02, 2018, 04:12:24 PM
DelDOT held a workshop for the upcoming DE 896 / US 40 interchange project (https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us40_sr896/) the other day, here are the proposed alternatives:
(NOTE: The links to the alternatives on the project page are broken, I found the pdf files though and linked them below)

Alternative 1, Single Loop: (https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us40_sr896/pdfs/workshop050118/Alternative1.pdf)

(https://image.prntscr.com/image/pA8_5YZgRPWTATAbPCwVNQ.png)

Alternative 2, SPUI: (https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us40_sr896/pdfs/workshop050118/Alternative2.pdf)

(https://image.prntscr.com/image/wdRnasHuSpafPdJATI8etQ.png)

Alternative 3, Echelon: (https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us40_sr896/pdfs/workshop050118/Alternative3.pdf)

(https://image.prntscr.com/image/D4mcwTjjT-GvB4gCp4ka1Q.png)

They also held a workshop last week for some upcoming improvements to the DE 2 / Red Mill Road intersection, but so far they haven't posted any of the alternatives online.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on May 02, 2018, 06:23:31 PM
Where's Alternative 4, Use Business 896?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on May 03, 2018, 07:48:42 AM
A bill has been introduced (again) in Dover to give road workers hazard pay.

https://delawarestatenews.net/news/should-deldot-workers-get-hazard-pay/

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Senate Bill 141 would add DelDOT employees who regularly work on roads to the list of state workers who qualify for extra pay on the basis of risky aspects of their job. Under the bill, about 650 employees would receive an extra $2,320 annually, and 350 would earn another $1,100.

ixnay

Motorists really don't think anything of it, passing by a person standing just a few feet away at 75 mph.  These same people, at home, will yell at someone they perceive going 25 mph in a 20 zone.

It's still dangerous and can be deadly.  Ask the family of this PennDOT foreman who was killed setting up flares on I-99 recently.

http://www.mcall.com/opinion/muschick/mc-opi-penndot-worker-killed-accident-construction-zone-20180221-story.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3652018/posts

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 03, 2018, 08:16:43 AM
A bill has been introduced (again) in Dover to give road workers hazard pay.

https://delawarestatenews.net/news/should-deldot-workers-get-hazard-pay/

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Senate Bill 141 would add DelDOT employees who regularly work on roads to the list of state workers who qualify for extra pay on the basis of risky aspects of their job. Under the bill, about 650 employees would receive an extra $2,320 annually, and 350 would earn another $1,100.

ixnay

Motorists really don't think anything of it, passing by a person standing just a few feet away at 75 mph.  These same people, at home, will yell at someone they perceive going 25 mph in a 20 zone.

It's still dangerous and can be deadly.  Ask the family of this PennDOT foreman who was killed setting up flares on I-99 recently.

http://www.mcall.com/opinion/muschick/mc-opi-penndot-worker-killed-accident-construction-zone-20180221-story.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3652018/posts

ixnay

That was my point.  Motorists don't think of the dangers they are posing to the workers.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: seicer on May 03, 2018, 08:45:40 AM
And in one month since work has started, 3 motorists have died in the I-64 construction zone near Milton, West Virginia.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: briantroutman on May 03, 2018, 11:15:29 AM
I generally think that “slow down”  PSAs are pretty ineffective, but the ones that the PTC has been using lately are reasonably thought-provoking, in my opinion. The ads, on billboards and banners in service plazas, show a stern-looking construction worker with a caption that reads something like “If you hit me at 55 MPH, you will break my bones. At 70, I will die.”  It’s a compelling counterargument for someone who might think... 55, 65, 75–what’s the big difference?

But in my estimation, the PTC and other highway agencies undermine their efforts when they set the same low speed limits for nearly every work zone–seemingly without regard for the extent to which work is actively taking place or people are actually in danger.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on May 03, 2018, 03:06:30 PM
But in my estimation, the PTC and other highway agencies undermine their efforts when they set the same low speed limits for nearly every work zone– seemingly without regard for the extent to which work is actively taking place or people are actually in danger.
^^This.  There have been many times I driven through a posted work zone with the lower speed limit and saw absolutely nothing in terms of barriers, barricades, vehicles, equipment and/or workers.  And no, there were no traces of blown-over tarps on the signs.

Such IMHO does create a Boy Who Cried "Wolf" scenario regarding Work Zones; but that's another topic for another thread.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mrsman on May 03, 2018, 07:28:00 PM
I generally think that “slow down”  PSAs are pretty ineffective, but the ones that the PTC has been using lately are reasonably thought-provoking, in my opinion. The ads, on billboards and banners in service plazas, show a stern-looking construction worker with a caption that reads something like “If you hit me at 55 MPH, you will break my bones. At 70, I will die.”  It’s a compelling counterargument for someone who might think... 55, 65, 75–what’s the big difference?

But in my estimation, the PTC and other highway agencies undermine their efforts when they set the same low speed limits for nearly every work zone–seemingly without regard for the extent to which work is actively taking place or people are actually in danger.

Is that really true?  There are plenty of fatal auto-ped crashes where cars go at speeds even lower than 55.  I would imagine a pedestrian safe speed would be around 20, or a higher number where you can at least slow down to 20 before impact.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on May 05, 2018, 09:46:55 PM
But in my estimation, the PTC and other highway agencies undermine their efforts when they set the same low speed limits for nearly every work zone–seemingly without regard for the extent to which work is actively taking place or people are actually in danger.

Not to prolong an OT discussion, but I might have found two exceptions this year where widening was ongoing on the outside of the roadway but the speed limit remained 70

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Rothman on May 06, 2018, 12:17:41 AM
I have found it more common for the work zone speed limits to outlast the actual work zone on the Turnpike.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on July 09, 2018, 09:32:45 AM
Noticed on my E-ZPass statement that Delaware does distance based tolling on Route 1, which I did not know existed (and DelDOT does not seem to advertise).  Within the tolled sections of Route 1 between Smyrna and Dover, there are E-ZPass readers over ramps where tolls are not normally collected.  I had to stop for gas while going southbound and got off at North Smyrna (US 13), re-entering south of town.  My E-ZPass statement showed the $1 at the Dover toll plaza but then a $0.25 credit from the South Smyrna ramp.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 09, 2018, 12:34:03 PM
Noticed on my E-ZPass statement that Delaware does distance based tolling on Route 1, which I did not know existed (and DelDOT does not seem to advertise).  Within the tolled sections of Route 1 between Smyrna and Dover, there are E-ZPass readers over ramps where tolls are not normally collected.  I had to stop for gas while going southbound and got off at North Smyrna (US 13), re-entering south of town.  My E-ZPass statement showed the $1 at the Dover toll plaza but then a $0.25 credit from the South Smyrna ramp.

I read someplace (here?) that the Maine Turnpike does distance-based tolls for E-ZPass patrons too.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on July 09, 2018, 06:24:53 PM
Noticed on my E-ZPass statement that Delaware does distance based tolling on Route 1, which I did not know existed (and DelDOT does not seem to advertise).  Within the tolled sections of Route 1 between Smyrna and Dover, there are E-ZPass readers over ramps where tolls are not normally collected.  I had to stop for gas while going southbound and got off at North Smyrna (US 13), re-entering south of town.  My E-ZPass statement showed the $1 at the Dover toll plaza but then a $0.25 credit from the South Smyrna ramp.
Yup.  I've noticed that too.  I remember when I first moved to DE, I thought I'd be charged a toll getting on DE-1 North at Exit 142 (DE-896/south of the canal), but never saw it show up on my E-ZPass statement.

And I have Pennsylvania E-ZPass (my family lives in PA), not Delaware.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: vdeane on July 09, 2018, 08:46:42 PM
I read someplace (here?) that the Maine Turnpike does distance-based tolls for E-ZPass patrons too.
They do, but I believe only for Maine E-ZPass holders.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 10, 2018, 11:11:24 AM
They do, but I believe only for Maine E-ZPass holders.

More Transponder Discrimination.™
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on July 10, 2018, 04:12:01 PM
https://delawarestatenews.net/news/eyes-on-safety-deldot-set-to-install-median-cable-barriers-on-del-1/

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"[R]roadway departure crashes are one of our strategic safety emphasis areas, and over the past several years, DelDOT has been installing a high-tension cable barrier system along (Del.) 1 in all identified high-risk areas – around curves, smaller width medians, high traffic volumes and high crash areas.

“Beyond installing additional median barriers along our freeways, other programs being implemented related to roadway departure crashes include high friction surface treatments, rumble strips, safety edge and updated horizontal curve warning signs.”

ixnay

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: BrianP on July 10, 2018, 04:52:47 PM
Maryland did the median barrier part when they added a barrier on I-70 between Frederick and Baltimore.  They added mostly steel barrier.  But in some places they did use cable barriers like here (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3073948,-76.9381235,3a,15y,111.13h,84.39t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAfHiImgXRvqIMxf_G8R6Fw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DAfHiImgXRvqIMxf_G8R6Fw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D331.0435%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656)  There's a couple of stretches of I-95 in Delaware from the MD line to the rest stop that should get some kind of median barrier since that seems to fit this safety need.  The adjacent stretches of I-95 have a median barrier. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on July 11, 2018, 08:32:32 PM
Three blocks of DE 8 east of U.S. 13 will soon be closed for road and utility work.

https://delawarestatenews.net/news/east-division-street-roadwork-to-cause-detours/

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on July 13, 2018, 09:25:29 PM
Get ready for a possible detour on U.S. 113 in Millsboro next spring due to bridge replacement...

http://coastalpoint.com/content/bridge-project-dramatically-shift-traffic-millsboro-next-spring_07_12_2018-0

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on August 07, 2018, 09:01:14 PM
U.S. 13 will have a lane each way added through Camden early next decade...

http://www.wboc.com/story/38834330/deldot-plans-to-expand-us-13-in-camden

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on September 04, 2018, 08:47:34 PM
This appears to have been the last summer for stoplights in Little Heaven.

http://www.wboc.com/story/39016126/little-heaven-intersection-will-change-kent-county-traffic-on-route-1

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LITTLE HEAVEN, Del. --- Next summer, beach travelers in Delaware will soon be able to pass through Little Heaven without backups from traffic at the intersection with Bowers Beach Road.

DelDOT plans to finish construction on the new grade-separated interchange at Bowers Beach road later this year, which will allow drivers who are passing through Little Heaven to remain on Route 1 by traveling over the existing intersection.

Drivers who are traveling to Bowers Beach or Little Heaven will be able to get off Route 1 and travel underneath Route 1 to access those communities.

Currently, an intersection on Route 1 at Bowers Beach Road uses a street light to allow cars to get across Route 1. The current configuration occasionally backs up traffic on Route 1, especially during beach weekends when vehicles traveling at high rates of speed are forced to come to a stop at the intersection.

Meanwhile, a rural intesection near Milton is earmarked for further safety improvements.

http://www.wboc.com/story/39023148/deldot-plans-further-intersection-improvements-at-cave-neck-road-intersection

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MILTON, Del.- After converting part of the Cave Neck Road / Sweetbriar Road / Hudson Road intersection into a one way, the Delaware Department of Transportation says they are planning long term improvements to the area.

"Does the roadway need to be realigned? Would a roundabout possibly work there?" says DelDOT Director of Community Relations C.R. McLeod. "[We are] just looking at all the solutions and we will be partnering with the community to determine what the best long term solution is."

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 05, 2018, 08:29:42 PM
DelDOT just released their FY20 - FY25 Capital Transportation Program (https://www.deldot.gov/Publications/reports/CTP/index.shtml) and it contains a couple interesting projects.  The Executive Summary document details new projects added to their roster.  Of note:
The rest of the projects consist mainly of run-of-the-mill intersection improvement projects throughout the state.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on September 07, 2018, 08:17:50 PM
http://firststateupdate.com/2018/09/st-georges-bridge-to-close-next-monday-scheduled-to-reopen-in-2019/
St. Georges Bridge about to close for steel repair.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on September 09, 2018, 09:51:40 PM
Hello everyone, Time has passed and if anyone has noticed, DE 141 Interchange @I-95, and I-295 construction projects are coming to a end. 141 is basically finished only with asphalt and other safety features to be added, it's slated to be done by the end of this month. I haven't drove down Middletown in a while but I assume 301 is finishing up as well.
DE 71/72 projects have started with a Wawa being built on 72/71 intersection across from the highly priced BP in Bear, De. De 273 has started construction in the New Castle area by airport road with changes including a 3rd lane, bike lanes and other mandatory safety features required. I seen on Deldot news that soil borrings are scheduled for I-95 and De-1 SB in Bear does that mean construction will be underway in these areas a little quicker because of the extra money the state received? We will see.  :hmmm: Also the Riverfront bridge is finished while the connecting roads will have to be finished the bridge looks good, and a new 76'rs sponsored arena is being built across the intersection of the  new bridge!


https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/ (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 09, 2018, 02:56:42 PM

Reader slams DelDOT over constant road construction



https://www.delawareonline.com/story/opinion/readers/2018/10/02/reader-has-suggestions-fix-deldot/1498714002/ (https://www.delawareonline.com/story/opinion/readers/2018/10/02/reader-has-suggestions-fix-deldot/1498714002/)

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on October 09, 2018, 03:03:19 PM

Reader slams DelDOT over constant road construction



https://www.delawareonline.com/story/opinion/readers/2018/10/02/reader-has-suggestions-fix-deldot/1498714002/ (https://www.delawareonline.com/story/opinion/readers/2018/10/02/reader-has-suggestions-fix-deldot/1498714002/)
I've lived in 3 states and I heard this in each one.  No state is special in this regard....
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 09, 2018, 03:04:53 PM

Reader slams DelDOT over constant road construction



https://www.delawareonline.com/story/opinion/readers/2018/10/02/reader-has-suggestions-fix-deldot/1498714002/ (https://www.delawareonline.com/story/opinion/readers/2018/10/02/reader-has-suggestions-fix-deldot/1498714002/)
I've lived in 3 states and I heard this in each one.  No state is special in this regard....

Not supposed to be special, it's just a post. to anyone who wanted to see the stupidity
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on October 09, 2018, 03:12:06 PM

Reader slams DelDOT over constant road construction



https://www.delawareonline.com/story/opinion/readers/2018/10/02/reader-has-suggestions-fix-deldot/1498714002/ (https://www.delawareonline.com/story/opinion/readers/2018/10/02/reader-has-suggestions-fix-deldot/1498714002/)
I've lived in 3 states and I heard this in each one.  No state is special in this regard....

Not supposed to be special, it's just a post. to anyone who wanted to see the stupidity
Yeah I figured.  It just gets old hearing the same thing over and over again, even on other issues like, "Oh the weather is unpredictable, that's Delaware for you!" (I heard this all the time in PA and CT, it's not just DE), etc.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 09, 2018, 03:15:22 PM

Reader slams DelDOT over constant road construction



https://www.delawareonline.com/story/opinion/readers/2018/10/02/reader-has-suggestions-fix-deldot/1498714002/ (https://www.delawareonline.com/story/opinion/readers/2018/10/02/reader-has-suggestions-fix-deldot/1498714002/)
I've lived in 3 states and I heard this in each one.  No state is special in this regard....

Not supposed to be special, it's just a post. to anyone who wanted to see the stupidity
Yeah I figured.  It just gets old hearing the same thing over and over again, even on other issues like, "Oh the weather is unpredictable, that's Delaware for you!" (I heard this all the time in PA and CT, it's not just DE), etc.

And thats the problem, why would people complain about things they do use or do not use.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 09, 2018, 03:49:01 PM

Reader slams DelDOT over constant road construction



https://www.delawareonline.com/story/opinion/readers/2018/10/02/reader-has-suggestions-fix-deldot/1498714002/ (https://www.delawareonline.com/story/opinion/readers/2018/10/02/reader-has-suggestions-fix-deldot/1498714002/)
I've lived in 3 states and I heard this in each one.  No state is special in this regard....

Not supposed to be special, it's just a post. to anyone who wanted to see the stupidity
Yeah I figured.  It just gets old hearing the same thing over and over again, even on other issues like, "Oh the weather is unpredictable, that's Delaware for you!" (I heard this all the time in PA and CT, it's not just DE), etc.

And thats the problem, why would people complain about things they do use or do not use.

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And, finally, a question: How does the Delaware Memorial Bridge end up going from four lanes – which is a rare occurrence to have all four lanes open – to 12 toll lanes feeding into two lanes? Well done!

Well, for starters, it doesn't.  But the writer is using emotion and not fact. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on October 09, 2018, 09:13:47 PM
How close *is* the U.S. 301 toll road to opening?

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 09, 2018, 11:01:49 PM
How close *is* the U.S. 301 toll road to opening?

ixnay

New Years Day according to EZPass's website. (https://www.ezpassde.com/pages/FAQs.shtml) The opening date had been originally pegged for December 2018 but given all the rain we've gotten this year the slight push back doesn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on October 13, 2018, 12:09:58 PM
How close *is* the U.S. 301 toll road to opening?

ixnay

New Years Day according to EZPass's website. (https://www.ezpassde.com/pages/FAQs.shtml) The opening date had been originally pegged for December 2018 but given all the rain we've gotten this year the slight push back doesn't surprise me.

Click "301 Electronic Tolling", then click "When will the new road be open?".

Thanks.

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadsguy on October 13, 2018, 04:37:07 PM
Interestingly the construction plans for the US 301 toll road show the first two interchanges as having toll plazas, even though the newest Google imagery as well as DelDOT's aerial videos show what appear to be the foundations for the E-ZPass gantries being built.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 13, 2018, 04:39:42 PM
Interestingly the construction plans for the US 301 toll road show the first two interchanges as having toll plazas, even though the newest Google imagery as well as DelDOT's aerial videos show what appear to be the foundations for the E-ZPass gantries being built.
Probably miscommunication. Everything on the 301 is paperless & peopleless. They will send you a bill of the toll. If you dont have Ezpass.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadsguy on October 13, 2018, 07:37:28 PM
Interestingly the construction plans for the US 301 toll road show the first two interchanges as having toll plazas, even though the newest Google imagery as well as DelDOT's aerial videos show what appear to be the foundations for the E-ZPass gantries being built.
Probably miscommunication. Everything on the 301 is paperless & peopleless. They will send you a bill of the toll. If you dont have Ezpass.

In that case, more likely a holdover from the earlier plans. I still have the old version of the plans, which features a standard toll plaza with express E-ZPass lanes coming in from Maryland, obviously from before they realized AET would work here.

Interestingly, while the second and third interchanges have single-lane ramps under the toll gantries, the first has a two-lane southbound exit and northbound entrance ramp with the gantries. They even cross a creek on a bridge for the off-ramp and a culvert for the on-ramp. That's likely a holdover as well, since a two-lane on-ramp that narrows right before the merge onto the expressway seems a bit weird, especially since there isn't a double-left or double-right turn lane onto the ramp.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: J N Winkler on October 13, 2018, 10:44:47 PM
Interestingly the construction plans for the US 301 toll road show the first two interchanges as having toll plazas, even though the newest Google imagery as well as DelDOT's aerial videos show what appear to be the foundations for the E-ZPass gantries being built.

By "construction plans," do you mean the rollplots here (https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us301/us301Archive/pages/dec2015/construction-plans.shtml)?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 13, 2018, 10:47:42 PM
I wonder when the spur route to the summit bridge will be built. How will that affect the speed of traffic when you approach the first light. Since i know people will be speeding since it will be built to “freeway standards” . Im sure this will cause another housing boom in that part of middletown as well


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadsguy on October 13, 2018, 11:04:44 PM
Did they ever confirm that the spur would be signed as "US 301 Spur"? If so, will that designation end right before the bridge or will it continue north to US 40 or I-95?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 13, 2018, 11:18:11 PM
Did they ever confirm that the spur would be signed as "US 301 Spur"? If so, will that designation end right before the bridge or will it continue north to US 40 or I-95?

They will probably build the spur the same time they build the 896/40 interchange & the 896/I-95 Interchange. But it confuses me on why they would redo all the minor intersections on 896. If they are just gonna make it a partial freeway? 896 was planned to be a freeway in the beginning but The good Ol’Neighborhood likes traffic backups. Smh


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on October 14, 2018, 03:04:24 PM
Did they ever confirm that the spur would be signed as "US 301 Spur"? If so, will that designation end right before the bridge or will it continue north to US 40 or I-95?
They should pull a Wilmington and call it DE 301. But I would honestly be surprised that AASHTO would allow a "Spur" signed US highway. I can think of many plausible state numbers... 340 (from 301 to 40) or 395, 302 or 303, 19 (since it's west of 15).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 14, 2018, 03:33:00 PM
They will probably build the spur the same time they build the 896/40 interchange & the 896/I-95 Interchange.

The SR 896 / US 40 interchange is slated for summer 2022 and the SR 896 / I-95 interchange is slated for spring 2023, there is no date set for the spur road.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 14, 2018, 03:33:55 PM
They will probably build the spur the same time they build the 896/40 interchange & the 896/I-95 Interchange.

The SR 896 / US 40 interchange is slated for summer 2022 and the SR 896 / I-95 interchange is slated for spring 2023, there is no date set for the spur road.
So the spur road would likely be completed now or then.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on October 15, 2018, 09:47:37 PM
I wonder when the spur route to the summit bridge will be built. How will that affect the speed of traffic when you approach the first light. Since i know people will be speeding since it will be built to “freeway standards” . Im sure this will cause another housing boom in that part of middletown as well


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When you say first light, which one do you mean?  The one at DE-896 and DE-71/Brennan Boulevard?

When I was commuting down DE-896 from Newark to Dover, I definitely recall being passed by drivers going at least 70 on the road.  Personally I wouldn't expect it to be too much different, but if there are enough crashes at the light there, then it would be put up for review for a red light camera.

From the plans I remember seeing, isn't the spur route just two lanes?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadsguy on October 15, 2018, 10:05:56 PM
I wonder when the spur route to the summit bridge will be built. How will that affect the speed of traffic when you approach the first light. Since i know people will be speeding since it will be built to “freeway standards” . Im sure this will cause another housing boom in that part of middletown as well


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When you say first light, which one do you mean?  The one at DE-896 and DE-71/Brennan Boulevard?

When I was commuting down DE-896 from Newark to Dover, I definitely recall being passed by drivers going at least 70 on the road.  Personally I wouldn't expect it to be too much different, but if there are enough crashes at the light there, then it would be put up for review for a red light camera.

From the plans I remember seeing, isn't the spur route just two lanes?

Yes, the road will be one lane each way with a grass median about as wide as the one on mainline 301.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 15, 2018, 10:36:48 PM
I wonder when the spur route to the summit bridge will be built. How will that affect the speed of traffic when you approach the first light. Since i know people will be speeding since it will be built to “freeway standards” . Im sure this will cause another housing boom in that part of middletown as well


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When you say first light, which one do you mean?  The one at DE-896 and DE-71/Brennan Boulevard?

When I was commuting down DE-896 from Newark to Dover, I definitely recall being passed by drivers going at least 70 on the road.  Personally I wouldn't expect it to be too much different, but if there are enough crashes at the light there, then it would be put up for review for a red light camera.

From the plans I remember seeing, isn't the spur route just two lanes?
Yes. Thats the light & the 2nd light is the reconstructed HowellSchool Road. & then after that is Porter road. You think a red light camera would help? I think it might cause even more crashes.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on October 15, 2018, 11:58:26 PM
Yes. Thats the light & the 2nd light is the reconstructed HowellSchool Road. & then after that is Porter road. You think a red light camera would help? I think it might cause even more crashes.

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It may cause a few more rear end crashes in the short term, but in the long term it would reduce angle crashes which are generally much nastier than rear endings.  However, red light cameras are beyond the scope of my office (they're administered by another division of DelDOT), so I can't really comment much further.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 16, 2018, 12:02:00 AM
Yes. Thats the light & the 2nd light is the reconstructed HowellSchool Road. & then after that is Porter road. You think a red light camera would help? I think it might cause even more crashes.

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It may cause a few more rear end crashes in the short term, but in the long term it would reduce angle crashes which are generally much nastier than rear endings.  However, red light cameras are beyond the scope of my office (they're administered by another division of DelDOT), so I can't really comment much further.
So would a speed clock be put on the bridge you think? I know undercover State Troopers sit on the bridge sometimes to catch speeders. But I doubt they will do that when traffic on the bridge is doubled because of the spur road. I wonder why they would plan interchanges at all major intersections but try to have it as safe as a neighborhood road.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on October 16, 2018, 12:10:20 AM
Yes. Thats the light & the 2nd light is the reconstructed HowellSchool Road. & then after that is Porter road. You think a red light camera would help? I think it might cause even more crashes.

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It may cause a few more rear end crashes in the short term, but in the long term it would reduce angle crashes which are generally much nastier than rear endings.  However, red light cameras are beyond the scope of my office (they're administered by another division of DelDOT), so I can't really comment much further.
So would a speed clock be put on the bridge you think? I know undercover State Troopers sit on the bridge sometimes to catch speeders. But I doubt they will do that when traffic on the bridge is doubled because of the spur road. I wonder why they would plan interchanges at all major intersections but try to have it as safe as a neighborhood road.
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Would traffic on the bridge double with the spur road?  Middletown-Wilmington traffic would be more likely to just take DE-1 to US-301, right (I get that US-301 will have a hefty toll, but Middletown seems pretty wealthy)?  From my experience of driving on US-301 in Maryland (on the Eastern Shore side), I doubt there's enough traffic there to double the traffic on DE-896, especially if it's long-distance traffic between either Washington-Philadelphia or Richmond-Philadelphia.

Considering the speed limit on 896 is 55 through there, I don't think it would be classified as "safe as a neighborhood road" (considering that the worst places for pedestrian crashes in New Castle County are Kirkwood Highway, US-13/40, and US-40 on its own - all roads with a 45+ MPH speed limit).  The goal of improving safety there really has to do with "traffic related crashes" (I won't try listing all the cases here, but simply put DelDOT's doing a similar project in Georgetown on US-113 by converting parts to grade separation).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on October 16, 2018, 08:14:45 AM
If traffic "doubles on the bridge", it's not going to be because of the spur road.  It'll be because of development in and around Middletown.  And most of that development would still be using existing 301 to get to the bridge.  It'd be backtracking for most of Middletown to access the spur via the future DE 299 interchange.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 16, 2018, 12:43:26 PM
If traffic "doubles on the bridge", it's not going to be because of the spur road.  It'll be because of development in and around Middletown.  And most of that development would still be using existing 301 to get to the bridge.  It'd be backtracking for most of Middletown to access the spur via the future DE 299 interchange.
Well what if De-1 is backed up. Because traffic is already heavy on De-1 with out without 301 merging on to it. & people take the spur road to avoid this traffic jam. Or do you think delaware will widen the 1 to 4 lanes by this time?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on October 16, 2018, 01:40:18 PM
If traffic "doubles on the bridge", it's not going to be because of the spur road.  It'll be because of development in and around Middletown.  And most of that development would still be using existing 301 to get to the bridge.  It'd be backtracking for most of Middletown to access the spur via the future DE 299 interchange.
Well what if De-1 is backed up. Because traffic is already heavy on De-1 with out without 301 merging on to it. & people take the spur road to avoid this traffic jam.
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Considering the scenes I'd see on DE-896 South when I was going Dover to Newark during rush hour, I don't think people would really consider DE-896 to be an acceptable alternative.  I mean it is an alternative, but there are still tons of lights between I-95 and the Summit Bridge they'd have to deal with (though maybe the grade separation at US-40 would be helpful).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 16, 2018, 01:55:41 PM
If traffic "doubles on the bridge", it's not going to be because of the spur road.  It'll be because of development in and around Middletown.  And most of that development would still be using existing 301 to get to the bridge.  It'd be backtracking for most of Middletown to access the spur via the future DE 299 interchange.
Well what if De-1 is backed up. Because traffic is already heavy on De-1 with out without 301 merging on to it. & people take the spur road to avoid this traffic jam.
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Considering the scenes I'd see on DE-896 South when I was going Dover to Newark during rush hour, I don't think people would really consider DE-896 to be an acceptable alternative.  I mean it is an alternative, but there are still tons of lights between I-95 and the Summit Bridge they'd have to deal with (though maybe the grade separation at US-40 would be helpful).
That is true. That grade Seperation @40 might make all the difference. But I just wonder if the speed limit will remain the same or a change will be made. & with all the housing developments being built. I can asure we can expect big traffic


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on October 16, 2018, 02:37:58 PM
If traffic "doubles on the bridge", it's not going to be because of the spur road.  It'll be because of development in and around Middletown.  And most of that development would still be using existing 301 to get to the bridge.  It'd be backtracking for most of Middletown to access the spur via the future DE 299 interchange.
Well what if De-1 is backed up. Because traffic is already heavy on De-1 with out without 301 merging on to it. & people take the spur road to avoid this traffic jam.
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Considering the scenes I'd see on DE-896 South when I was going Dover to Newark during rush hour, I don't think people would really consider DE-896 to be an acceptable alternative.  I mean it is an alternative, but there are still tons of lights between I-95 and the Summit Bridge they'd have to deal with (though maybe the grade separation at US-40 would be helpful).
That is true. That grade Seperation @40 might make all the difference. But I just wonder if the speed limit will remain the same or a change will be made. & with all the housing developments being built. I can asure we can expect big traffic
Well the statutory maximum speed limit on a divided highway is 55 (http://delcode.delaware.gov/title21/c041/sc08/), so it can only go down, except on the section north of US-40 where it's 50, I believe.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 16, 2018, 10:57:30 PM
If traffic "doubles on the bridge", it's not going to be because of the spur road.  It'll be because of development in and around Middletown.  And most of that development would still be using existing 301 to get to the bridge.  It'd be backtracking for most of Middletown to access the spur via the future DE 299 interchange.
Well what if De-1 is backed up. Because traffic is already heavy on De-1 with out without 301 merging on to it. & people take the spur road to avoid this traffic jam.
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Considering the scenes I'd see on DE-896 South when I was going Dover to Newark during rush hour, I don't think people would really consider DE-896 to be an acceptable alternative.  I mean it is an alternative, but there are still tons of lights between I-95 and the Summit Bridge they'd have to deal with (though maybe the grade separation at US-40 would be helpful).
That is true. That grade Seperation @40 might make all the difference. But I just wonder if the speed limit will remain the same or a change will be made. & with all the housing developments being built. I can asure we can expect big traffic
Well the statutory maximum speed limit on a divided highway is 55 (http://delcode.delaware.gov/title21/c041/sc08/), so it can only go down, except on the section north of US-40 where it's 50, I believe.
I assume people will treat it the same as the folks back then when they made 141 & 13 a interchange. I know those people in the neighborhoods greatly opposed. But between the Airport & the ever growing Route 13. It had to be done.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 16, 2018, 11:10:55 PM
If traffic "doubles on the bridge", it's not going to be because of the spur road.  It'll be because of development in and around Middletown.  And most of that development would still be using existing 301 to get to the bridge.  It'd be backtracking for most of Middletown to access the spur via the future DE 299 interchange.
Well what if De-1 is backed up. Because traffic is already heavy on De-1 with out without 301 merging on to it. & people take the spur road to avoid this traffic jam.
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Considering the scenes I'd see on DE-896 South when I was going Dover to Newark during rush hour, I don't think people would really consider DE-896 to be an acceptable alternative.  I mean it is an alternative, but there are still tons of lights between I-95 and the Summit Bridge they'd have to deal with (though maybe the grade separation at US-40 would be helpful).
That is true. That grade Seperation @40 might make all the difference. But I just wonder if the speed limit will remain the same or a change will be made. & with all the housing developments being built. I can asure we can expect big traffic
Well the statutory maximum speed limit on a divided highway is 55 (http://delcode.delaware.gov/title21/c041/sc08/), so it can only go down, except on the section north of US-40 where it's 50, I believe.

Except for section B, where it states that Delaware can basically make up whatever speed they want on any road they want, which specifically states it can go up or down.  That is how 65 mph is permitted on 95 and 495, and 60 mph on the Puncheon Run Connector, even though the statute states 55 mph on divided roadways.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadsguy on October 16, 2018, 11:14:01 PM
If traffic "doubles on the bridge", it's not going to be because of the spur road.  It'll be because of development in and around Middletown.  And most of that development would still be using existing 301 to get to the bridge.  It'd be backtracking for most of Middletown to access the spur via the future DE 299 interchange.
Well what if De-1 is backed up. Because traffic is already heavy on De-1 with out without 301 merging on to it. & people take the spur road to avoid this traffic jam.
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Considering the scenes I'd see on DE-896 South when I was going Dover to Newark during rush hour, I don't think people would really consider DE-896 to be an acceptable alternative.  I mean it is an alternative, but there are still tons of lights between I-95 and the Summit Bridge they'd have to deal with (though maybe the grade separation at US-40 would be helpful).
That is true. That grade Seperation @40 might make all the difference. But I just wonder if the speed limit will remain the same or a change will be made. & with all the housing developments being built. I can asure we can expect big traffic
Well the statutory maximum speed limit on a divided highway is 55 (http://delcode.delaware.gov/title21/c041/sc08/), so it can only go down, except on the section north of US-40 where it's 50, I believe.

Except for section B, where it states that Delaware can basically make up whatever speed they want on any road they want, which specifically states it can go up or down.  That is how 65 mph is permitted on 95 and 495, and 60 mph on the Puncheon Run Connector, even though the statute states 55 mph on divided roadways.

Is the Puncheon Run Connector not considered a freeway?

This discussion should probably be moved to the project's dedicated thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17015.0).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 16, 2018, 11:17:02 PM
If traffic "doubles on the bridge", it's not going to be because of the spur road.  It'll be because of development in and around Middletown.  And most of that development would still be using existing 301 to get to the bridge.  It'd be backtracking for most of Middletown to access the spur via the future DE 299 interchange.
Well what if De-1 is backed up. Because traffic is already heavy on De-1 with out without 301 merging on to it. & people take the spur road to avoid this traffic jam.
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Considering the scenes I'd see on DE-896 South when I was going Dover to Newark during rush hour, I don't think people would really consider DE-896 to be an acceptable alternative.  I mean it is an alternative, but there are still tons of lights between I-95 and the Summit Bridge they'd have to deal with (though maybe the grade separation at US-40 would be helpful).
That is true. That grade Seperation @40 might make all the difference. But I just wonder if the speed limit will remain the same or a change will be made. & with all the housing developments being built. I can asure we can expect big traffic
Well the statutory maximum speed limit on a divided highway is 55 (http://delcode.delaware.gov/title21/c041/sc08/), so it can only go down, except on the section north of US-40 where it's 50, I believe.

Except for section B, where it states that Delaware can basically make up whatever speed they want on any road they want, which specifically states it can go up or down.  That is how 65 mph is permitted on 95 and 495, and 60 mph on the Puncheon Run Connector, even though the statute states 55 mph on divided roadways.
Do you think 495 speed limit would ever be raised again? 70? 75?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on October 17, 2018, 11:17:39 AM
If traffic "doubles on the bridge", it's not going to be because of the spur road.  It'll be because of development in and around Middletown.  And most of that development would still be using existing 301 to get to the bridge.  It'd be backtracking for most of Middletown to access the spur via the future DE 299 interchange.
Well what if De-1 is backed up. Because traffic is already heavy on De-1 with out without 301 merging on to it. & people take the spur road to avoid this traffic jam.
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Considering the scenes I'd see on DE-896 South when I was going Dover to Newark during rush hour, I don't think people would really consider DE-896 to be an acceptable alternative.  I mean it is an alternative, but there are still tons of lights between I-95 and the Summit Bridge they'd have to deal with (though maybe the grade separation at US-40 would be helpful).
That is true. That grade Seperation @40 might make all the difference. But I just wonder if the speed limit will remain the same or a change will be made. & with all the housing developments being built. I can asure we can expect big traffic
Well the statutory maximum speed limit on a divided highway is 55 (http://delcode.delaware.gov/title21/c041/sc08/), so it can only go down, except on the section north of US-40 where it's 50, I believe.

Except for section B, where it states that Delaware can basically make up whatever speed they want on any road they want, which specifically states it can go up or down.  That is how 65 mph is permitted on 95 and 495, and 60 mph on the Puncheon Run Connector, even though the statute states 55 mph on divided roadways.
Do you think 495 speed limit would ever be raised again? 70? 75?


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If Route 1, with its long stretches of flat rural area between Dover and Middletown, is going to remain 65, then 495, being in a fairly urban area, probably would remain 65.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on October 17, 2018, 12:50:41 PM
If traffic "doubles on the bridge", it's not going to be because of the spur road.  It'll be because of development in and around Middletown.  And most of that development would still be using existing 301 to get to the bridge.  It'd be backtracking for most of Middletown to access the spur via the future DE 299 interchange.
Well what if De-1 is backed up. Because traffic is already heavy on De-1 with out without 301 merging on to it. & people take the spur road to avoid this traffic jam.
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Considering the scenes I'd see on DE-896 South when I was going Dover to Newark during rush hour, I don't think people would really consider DE-896 to be an acceptable alternative.  I mean it is an alternative, but there are still tons of lights between I-95 and the Summit Bridge they'd have to deal with (though maybe the grade separation at US-40 would be helpful).
That is true. That grade Seperation @40 might make all the difference. But I just wonder if the speed limit will remain the same or a change will be made. & with all the housing developments being built. I can asure we can expect big traffic
Well the statutory maximum speed limit on a divided highway is 55 (http://delcode.delaware.gov/title21/c041/sc08/), so it can only go down, except on the section north of US-40 where it's 50, I believe.

Except for section B, where it states that Delaware can basically make up whatever speed they want on any road they want, which specifically states it can go up or down.  That is how 65 mph is permitted on 95 and 495, and 60 mph on the Puncheon Run Connector, even though the statute states 55 mph on divided roadways.
Do you think 495 speed limit would ever be raised again? 70? 75?


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If Route 1, with its long stretches of flat rural area between Dover and Middletown, is going to remain 65, then 495, being in a fairly urban area, probably would remain 65.

Route 1 could probably tolerate 70 MPH once they put in the cable barriers.
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 17, 2018, 01:13:42 PM
If traffic "doubles on the bridge", it's not going to be because of the spur road.  It'll be because of development in and around Middletown.  And most of that development would still be using existing 301 to get to the bridge.  It'd be backtracking for most of Middletown to access the spur via the future DE 299 interchange.
Well what if De-1 is backed up. Because traffic is already heavy on De-1 with out without 301 merging on to it. & people take the spur road to avoid this traffic jam.
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Considering the scenes I'd see on DE-896 South when I was going Dover to Newark during rush hour, I don't think people would really consider DE-896 to be an acceptable alternative.  I mean it is an alternative, but there are still tons of lights between I-95 and the Summit Bridge they'd have to deal with (though maybe the grade separation at US-40 would be helpful).
That is true. That grade Seperation @40 might make all the difference. But I just wonder if the speed limit will remain the same or a change will be made. & with all the housing developments being built. I can asure we can expect big traffic
Well the statutory maximum speed limit on a divided highway is 55 (http://delcode.delaware.gov/title21/c041/sc08/), so it can only go down, except on the section north of US-40 where it's 50, I believe.

Except for section B, where it states that Delaware can basically make up whatever speed they want on any road they want, which specifically states it can go up or down.  That is how 65 mph is permitted on 95 and 495, and 60 mph on the Puncheon Run Connector, even though the statute states 55 mph on divided roadways.
Do you think 495 speed limit would ever be raised again? 70? 75?


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If Route 1, with its long stretches of flat rural area between Dover and Middletown, is going to remain 65, then 495, being in a fairly urban area, probably would remain 65.
I assume our highways will never be signed to true speed. Since people will go over that. But, aren’t there studies that show a high speed limit actually causes people to drive within a safe speed?

Hold on Isn’t I-70 in Pa signed 70Mph with *60Mph caution signs on the curves* couldn’t all the curvy highways have limits raised if they just sign the curves?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadsguy on October 18, 2018, 10:31:57 AM
If traffic "doubles on the bridge", it's not going to be because of the spur road.  It'll be because of development in and around Middletown.  And most of that development would still be using existing 301 to get to the bridge.  It'd be backtracking for most of Middletown to access the spur via the future DE 299 interchange.
Well what if De-1 is backed up. Because traffic is already heavy on De-1 with out without 301 merging on to it. & people take the spur road to avoid this traffic jam.
Considering the scenes I'd see on DE-896 South when I was going Dover to Newark during rush hour, I don't think people would really consider DE-896 to be an acceptable alternative.  I mean it is an alternative, but there are still tons of lights between I-95 and the Summit Bridge they'd have to deal with (though maybe the grade separation at US-40 would be helpful).
That is true. That grade Seperation @40 might make all the difference. But I just wonder if the speed limit will remain the same or a change will be made. & with all the housing developments being built. I can asure we can expect big traffic
Well the statutory maximum speed limit on a divided highway is 55 (http://delcode.delaware.gov/title21/c041/sc08/), so it can only go down, except on the section north of US-40 where it's 50, I believe.

Except for section B, where it states that Delaware can basically make up whatever speed they want on any road they want, which specifically states it can go up or down.  That is how 65 mph is permitted on 95 and 495, and 60 mph on the Puncheon Run Connector, even though the statute states 55 mph on divided roadways.
Do you think 495 speed limit would ever be raised again? 70? 75?
If Route 1, with its long stretches of flat rural area between Dover and Middletown, is going to remain 65, then 495, being in a fairly urban area, probably would remain 65.
I assume our highways will never be signed to true speed. Since people will go over that. But, aren’t there studies that show a high speed limit actually causes people to drive within a safe speed?

Hold on Isn’t I-70 in Pa signed 70Mph with *60Mph caution signs on the curves* couldn’t all the curvy highways have limits raised if they just sign the curves?

Do you mean the PA Turnpike? The only parts of I-70 in PA that aren't 55 mph are from the WV state line to Washington and the part on the Turnpike from New Stanton to Breezewood. From Washington to New Stanton and to a lesser extent from Breezewood down to Maryland are too substandard for 65, let alone 70.

There are a lot of curves with advisory speeds on the 70 mph Turnpike, at least on the sections I ever drive. They can usually be safely taken at 80 mph like the rest of the road.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 18, 2018, 12:16:33 PM
If traffic "doubles on the bridge", it's not going to be because of the spur road.  It'll be because of development in and around Middletown.  And most of that development would still be using existing 301 to get to the bridge.  It'd be backtracking for most of Middletown to access the spur via the future DE 299 interchange.
Well what if De-1 is backed up. Because traffic is already heavy on De-1 with out without 301 merging on to it. & people take the spur road to avoid this traffic jam.
Considering the scenes I'd see on DE-896 South when I was going Dover to Newark during rush hour, I don't think people would really consider DE-896 to be an acceptable alternative.  I mean it is an alternative, but there are still tons of lights between I-95 and the Summit Bridge they'd have to deal with (though maybe the grade separation at US-40 would be helpful).
That is true. That grade Seperation @40 might make all the difference. But I just wonder if the speed limit will remain the same or a change will be made. & with all the housing developments being built. I can asure we can expect big traffic
Well the statutory maximum speed limit on a divided highway is 55 (http://delcode.delaware.gov/title21/c041/sc08/), so it can only go down, except on the section north of US-40 where it's 50, I believe.

Except for section B, where it states that Delaware can basically make up whatever speed they want on any road they want, which specifically states it can go up or down.  That is how 65 mph is permitted on 95 and 495, and 60 mph on the Puncheon Run Connector, even though the statute states 55 mph on divided roadways.
Do you think 495 speed limit would ever be raised again? 70? 75?
If Route 1, with its long stretches of flat rural area between Dover and Middletown, is going to remain 65, then 495, being in a fairly urban area, probably would remain 65.
I assume our highways will never be signed to true speed. Since people will go over that. But, aren’t there studies that show a high speed limit actually causes people to drive within a safe speed?

Hold on Isn’t I-70 in Pa signed 70Mph with *60Mph caution signs on the curves* couldn’t all the curvy highways have limits raised if they just sign the curves?

Do you mean the PA Turnpike? The only parts of I-70 in PA that aren't 55 mph are from the WV state line to Washington and the part on the Turnpike from New Stanton to Breezewood. From Washington to New Stanton and to a lesser extent from Breezewood down to Maryland are too substandard for 65, let alone 70.

There are a lot of curves with advisory speeds on the 70 mph Turnpike, at least on the sections I ever drive. They can usually be safely taken at 80 mph like the rest of the road.
Exactly. & it goes through  mountains, when I first drove that road. That was the first time I seen trucks take a curve faster then me. If this speed is allowed on a highway like this. Why hasnt speed been bumped up on all the Highways. Clearly all people need is advisory curve signage.


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Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 21, 2018, 12:50:40 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181021/dbfb10b68707b962c27bf101112ef8b8.jpg)


Uh this pole gets struck by lighting much ? This is on limestone road. Right by the Valero. Anyone know why they placed this many ground wires?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: davewiecking on October 21, 2018, 01:36:59 PM
Looks like those are guy wires, right? I’ve found a Limestone Drive in a residential area near Dover, but it doesn’t appear to have a Valero nearby. Perhaps a better photo or an understandable description of the location would enable others to provide a better answer to your question, right?
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 21, 2018, 01:37:54 PM
Looks like those are guy wires, right? I’ve found a Limestone Drive in a residential area near Dover, but it doesn’t appear to have a Valero nearby. Perhaps a better photo or an understandable description of the location would enable others to provide a better answer to your question, right?
Limestone Road New Castle De.
Sorry, I just realized that I misspelled road. Its known as route 7.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: davewiecking on October 21, 2018, 01:49:01 PM
My Google Maps numbers Limestone Rd as DE-7. Is there a cross street nearby that's DE-71?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 21, 2018, 09:28:13 PM
Those are for stability, not lightning protection.

(https://image.prntscr.com/image/3Yl8pgbuQbqR3A1mTtZZ9A.png)

Without them, the tension in the lines following SR 7 would bend the pole away from the camera.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 21, 2018, 09:30:40 PM
Those are for stability, not lightning protection.

(https://image.prntscr.com/image/3Yl8pgbuQbqR3A1mTtZZ9A.png)

Without them, the tension in the lines following SR 7 would bend the pole away from the camera.
So the weight of the lines & gravity is what causes poles to bend in certain directions. Why not just put a metal pole up. It would reduce the need for all those lines to the ground.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on October 21, 2018, 10:15:57 PM
Because a metal pole would still be dealing with the forces that the power lines are causing in the general direction away from the camera.  These guy wires add stability to the power pole by helping to negate those forces.  I also think we all can agree that a wooden pole (even with the guy wires) would be much less expensive than a metal pole.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 21, 2018, 10:24:38 PM
Because a metal pole would still be dealing with the forces that the power lines are causing in the general direction away from the camera.  These guy wires add stability to the power pole by helping to negate those forces.  I also think we all can agree that a wooden pole (even with the guy wires) would be much less expensive than a metal pole.
I guess thats a better choice. Id just think that a metal pole. & 1 guy wire would be more efficient. All those guy wires there. If a car hits them a good speed it will tear into shreds.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on October 21, 2018, 10:50:13 PM
I have never seen more than one guy wire for a pole.  What is going on that this needs so many?
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 21, 2018, 10:53:03 PM
I have never seen more than one guy wire for a pole.  What is going on that this needs so many?
Lmao, same thing I said. But apparently the Weight of the lines & everything will bend the pole like into a letter r.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on October 22, 2018, 06:48:01 AM
I have never seen more than one guy wire for a pole.

They were a common sight at the Delaware beaches when I was growing up in the '60s and '70s.

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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on October 22, 2018, 07:26:46 AM
I have never seen more than one guy wire for a pole.  What is going on that this needs so many?
Lmao, same thing I said. But apparently the Weight of the lines & everything will bend the pole like into a letter r.
That isn't really how that works though. The lines all introduce a certain tension to the pole. You do the math and attach the guy wire appropriately to provide an opposite tension. With the number of attachment points, maybe you need two. Max. They attached a guy wire opposite every single wire attachment! Whoever did that is not a utility engineer.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 22, 2018, 09:50:01 AM
I have never seen more than one guy wire for a pole.  What is going on that this needs so many?
Lmao, same thing I said. But apparently the Weight of the lines & everything will bend the pole like into a letter r.
That isn't really how that works though. The lines all introduce a certain tension to the pole. You do the math and attach the guy wire appropriately to provide an opposite tension. With the number of attachment points, maybe you need two. Max. They attached a guy wire opposite every single wire attachment! Whoever did that is not a utility engineer.
I said the same thing. I knew I wasn’t crazy!!!


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 22, 2018, 10:17:33 AM
Maybe Delmarva Power just sucks at pole installation. Maybe the engineer they use is overly cautious.  Or maybe they just use way too many lines and using too thin of poles.  The number of poles with 2 guy wires is incredibly high...even on in-line poles where the lines simply go -- , not in a T or + junction at the pole.  Here's another example at Rt. 7 and Main Street in Stanton, near the 7/4 T-junction, with what appears to be 4 guy wires:  https://goo.gl/maps/Hqymx2Ba6cs  .  Do a GSV drive-around...near some major intersections, especially older intersections, it almost looks India-like with all the wires and lines hung on the poles.  Thru the years this stuff should've been cleaned up, which you can check out via older GSV images; it almost appears it's getting worse instead.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: seicer on October 22, 2018, 01:16:07 PM
Older poles were often sourced from cedar or tamarac and were very strong. It's often why they last 50+ years with no maintenance. Southern pine poles (far cheaper and more often used) are weaker and are more suspectable to bending - hence the proliferation of guy wires.

Interestingly enough, many rural counties in southern Ohio are using thin metal poles that resemble the size and shape of a wood pole. I suppose the costs have come down to the point that a metal pole can be used over a much longer lifespan than a southern pine pole. And I've seen some metal poles hooked with guy wires - so I'm not sure that they are all resting on a solid cement base.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 22, 2018, 08:50:30 PM
Does anyone know when, the Big interchange project for DE-1/273 is slated to begin?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 22, 2018, 09:27:53 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4583265,-75.7316491,3514a,35y,38.8t/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4583265,-75.7316491,3514a,35y,38.8t/data=!3m1!1e3)

Looks like the spur road is actually being worked on, from this Google maps image.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadsguy on October 22, 2018, 11:56:57 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4583265,-75.7316491,3514a,35y,38.8t/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4583265,-75.7316491,3514a,35y,38.8t/data=!3m1!1e3)

Looks like the spur road is actually being worked on, from this Google maps image.

The only work they've done on it is grading. I'd be surprised if any of it ends up paved. They didn't even include stubs.

Also, there's a  dedicated thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17015.0) for the 301 project.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: seicer on October 23, 2018, 08:14:33 AM
Grading, and possibly a staging area for 301. No bridge over 301 or stubs are being built with this at this time, it seems.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 23, 2018, 01:44:21 PM
Does anyone know when, the Big interchange project for DE-1/273 is slated to begin?

The overarching SR 1 widening project is on hold indefinitely until the state can get the funds for it.  In the meantime, they've been plucking pieces of that project out and building them separately (IE the DDI at SR 72 and the northbound and future southbound auxiliary lanes between SR 273 and US 40) to hold them over until they get enough to finish the whole thing.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 23, 2018, 02:30:55 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4583265,-75.7316491,3514a,35y,38.8t/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4583265,-75.7316491,3514a,35y,38.8t/data=!3m1!1e3)

Looks like the spur road is actually being worked on, from this Google maps image.

The only work they've done on it is grading. I'd be surprised if any of it ends up paved. They didn't even include stubs.

Also, there's a  dedicated thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17015.0) for the 301 project.
Yea I forgot about it. When I posted.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 23, 2018, 02:34:25 PM
Does anyone know when, the Big interchange project for DE-1/273 is slated to begin?

The overarching SR 1 widening project is on hold indefinitely until the state can get the funds for it.  In the meantime, they've been plucking pieces of that project out and building them separately (IE the DDI at SR 72 and the northbound and future southbound auxiliary lanes between SR 273 and US 40) to hold them over until they get enough to finish the whole thing.
Well, at-least if they extend the lane from the christiana mall & push it all the way to the 1/13 merge traffic wont get bunched up and cause that bad rush-hour traffic. I wish Deldot would restrip the merge at Redlion/13, So the 1 has two full lanes and 13 has to merge. But would this cause traffic issues at the two closest signals before the highway?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 24, 2018, 08:14:05 AM
Does anyone know when, the Big interchange project for DE-1/273 is slated to begin?

The overarching SR 1 widening project is on hold indefinitely until the state can get the funds for it.  In the meantime, they've been plucking pieces of that project out and building them separately (IE the DDI at SR 72 and the northbound and future southbound auxiliary lanes between SR 273 and US 40) to hold them over until they get enough to finish the whole thing.
Well, at-least if they extend the lane from the christiana mall & push it all the way to the 1/13 merge traffic wont get bunched up and cause that bad rush-hour traffic. I wish Deldot would restrip the merge at Redlion/13, So the 1 has two full lanes and 13 has to merge. But would this cause traffic issues at the two closest signals before the highway?

It's a half-mile from the traffic light at Bear/Hamburg Roads, and 1/4 mile from the Rt. 71 intersections, to where Rt. 1 merges in.  Doing this just based on knowledge without looking at any traffic counts, there should be no traffic issues if Rt. 13 merged down to one lane prior to Rt. 1 coming down the ramp.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on October 24, 2018, 08:23:09 AM
Does anyone know when, the Big interchange project for DE-1/273 is slated to begin?

The overarching SR 1 widening project is on hold indefinitely until the state can get the funds for it.  In the meantime, they've been plucking pieces of that project out and building them separately (IE the DDI at SR 72 and the northbound and future southbound auxiliary lanes between SR 273 and US 40) to hold them over until they get enough to finish the whole thing.
Well, at-least if they extend the lane from the christiana mall & push it all the way to the 1/13 merge traffic wont get bunched up and cause that bad rush-hour traffic. I wish Deldot would restrip the merge at Redlion/13, So the 1 has two full lanes and 13 has to merge. But would this cause traffic issues at the two closest signals before the highway?

It's a half-mile from the traffic light at Bear/Hamburg Roads, and 1/4 mile from the Rt. 71 intersections, to where Rt. 1 merges in.  Doing this just based on knowledge without looking at any traffic counts, there should be no traffic issues if Rt. 13 merged down to one lane prior to Rt. 1 coming down the ramp.
Fully agree.  For reference, a proper merge would be about 1,200' from the previous stop bar, leaving about 800' of lane ending and a 300' taper. The taper would start opposite the 1S-13N loop ramp and would finish at the 1S-13S physical gore - so plenty of room.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadsguy on October 24, 2018, 09:13:29 AM
Does anyone know when, the Big interchange project for DE-1/273 is slated to begin?

The overarching SR 1 widening project is on hold indefinitely until the state can get the funds for it.  In the meantime, they've been plucking pieces of that project out and building them separately (IE the DDI at SR 72 and the northbound and future southbound auxiliary lanes between SR 273 and US 40) to hold them over until they get enough to finish the whole thing.
Well, at-least if they extend the lane from the christiana mall & push it all the way to the 1/13 merge traffic wont get bunched up and cause that bad rush-hour traffic. I wish Deldot would restrip the merge at Redlion/13, So the 1 has two full lanes and 13 has to merge. But would this cause traffic issues at the two closest signals before the highway?

It's a half-mile from the traffic light at Bear/Hamburg Roads, and 1/4 mile from the Rt. 71 intersections, to where Rt. 1 merges in.  Doing this just based on knowledge without looking at any traffic counts, there should be no traffic issues if Rt. 13 merged down to one lane prior to Rt. 1 coming down the ramp.
Fully agree.  For reference, a proper merge would be about 1,200' from the previous stop bar, leaving about 800' of lane ending and a 300' taper. The taper would start opposite the 1S-13N loop ramp and would finish at the 1S-13S physical gore - so plenty of room.

At least it'll be a moot point when they do the widening, though that will just raise the question of why is the southbound DE 1 "ramp" only two lanes?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 24, 2018, 10:20:51 AM
Does anyone know when, the Big interchange project for DE-1/273 is slated to begin?

The overarching SR 1 widening project is on hold indefinitely until the state can get the funds for it.  In the meantime, they've been plucking pieces of that project out and building them separately (IE the DDI at SR 72 and the northbound and future southbound auxiliary lanes between SR 273 and US 40) to hold them over until they get enough to finish the whole thing.
Well, at-least if they extend the lane from the christiana mall & push it all the way to the 1/13 merge traffic wont get bunched up and cause that bad rush-hour traffic. I wish Deldot would restrip the merge at Redlion/13, So the 1 has two full lanes and 13 has to merge. But would this cause traffic issues at the two closest signals before the highway?

It's a half-mile from the traffic light at Bear/Hamburg Roads, and 1/4 mile from the Rt. 71 intersections, to where Rt. 1 merges in.  Doing this just based on knowledge without looking at any traffic counts, there should be no traffic issues if Rt. 13 merged down to one lane prior to Rt. 1 coming down the ramp.
Fully agree.  For reference, a proper merge would be about 1,200' from the previous stop bar, leaving about 800' of lane ending and a 300' taper. The taper would start opposite the 1S-13N loop ramp and would finish at the 1S-13S physical gore - so plenty of room.

At least it'll be a moot point when they do the widening, though that will just raise the question of why is the southbound DE 1 "ramp" only two lanes?

Maybe to be a little cheap so they don't have to widen the Rt. 71 overpass for a 3rd lane, and/or so there doesn't need to be a merge where 1/13 meet?  Looking at the plans online, they show the ROW in that area, and the ROW ends right at the right shoulder's guardrail, so they would need to add the lane on the inside if they didn't want to purchase more land.

I'm thinking it would be nice.  The good thing about delaying a project is there's still time to go back and review the project, and/or bug DelDOT to convince them a 3rd lane will be needed.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadsguy on October 24, 2018, 11:02:30 AM
Does anyone know when, the Big interchange project for DE-1/273 is slated to begin?

The overarching SR 1 widening project is on hold indefinitely until the state can get the funds for it.  In the meantime, they've been plucking pieces of that project out and building them separately (IE the DDI at SR 72 and the northbound and future southbound auxiliary lanes between SR 273 and US 40) to hold them over until they get enough to finish the whole thing.
Well, at-least if they extend the lane from the christiana mall & push it all the way to the 1/13 merge traffic wont get bunched up and cause that bad rush-hour traffic. I wish Deldot would restrip the merge at Redlion/13, So the 1 has two full lanes and 13 has to merge. But would this cause traffic issues at the two closest signals before the highway?

It's a half-mile from the traffic light at Bear/Hamburg Roads, and 1/4 mile from the Rt. 71 intersections, to where Rt. 1 merges in.  Doing this just based on knowledge without looking at any traffic counts, there should be no traffic issues if Rt. 13 merged down to one lane prior to Rt. 1 coming down the ramp.
Fully agree.  For reference, a proper merge would be about 1,200' from the previous stop bar, leaving about 800' of lane ending and a 300' taper. The taper would start opposite the 1S-13N loop ramp and would finish at the 1S-13S physical gore - so plenty of room.

At least it'll be a moot point when they do the widening, though that will just raise the question of why is the southbound DE 1 "ramp" only two lanes?

Maybe to be a little cheap so they don't have to widen the Rt. 71 overpass for a 3rd lane, and/or so there doesn't need to be a merge where 1/13 meet?  Looking at the plans online, they show the ROW in that area, and the ROW ends right at the right shoulder's guardrail, so they would need to add the lane on the inside if they didn't want to purchase more land.

I'm thinking it would be nice.  The good thing about delaying a project is there's still time to go back and review the project, and/or bug DelDOT to convince them a 3rd lane will be needed.

I wonder what the ratio is of traffic staying on DE 1 SB vs exiting for US 13 NB or DE 71. You might not have a merge, but you're still having an exit-only left lane.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: The Ghostbuster on October 24, 2018, 02:30:47 PM
Although I doubt any such plan has or will be proposed anytime soon, I think Delaware should make a sequential-to-milepost exit conversion. If such a conversion were implemented, I doubt SR-1's exits would be changed back to mileage-based. Also, since the US 301 toll road will have mileage-based exit numbers, maybe such a conversion should be considered.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: vdeane on October 24, 2018, 08:06:06 PM
I'd like to see DE 1 convert to mile-based.  Unlike I-19, distance signs are in miles and mile markers are used, not km markers.  Thus, many of the benefits of mile-based numbers are lost (especially since, unlike Canada, my odometer would not be in metric mode when driving on it), and you're left only with the ability to add interchanges without suffixes.  The novelty ceases to be a draw for me when the benefit for the driver over sequential is only marginal.

Although it would be nice if we converted distances/speeds to metric.  Such would provide greater consistency with Canada and Mexico, and ease complaints about alphabet soup and numbers not changing by very much for distance-based exit numbering more developed areas.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on October 24, 2018, 08:17:23 PM
I'd like to see DE 1 convert to mile-based.  Unlike I-19, distance signs are in miles and mile markers are used, not km markers.  Thus, many of the benefits of mile-based numbers are lost (especially since, unlike Canada, my odometer would not be in metric mode when driving on it), and you're left only with the ability to add interchanges without suffixes.  The novelty ceases to be a draw for me when the benefit for the driver over sequential is only marginal.

Although it would be nice if we converted distances/speeds to metric.  Such would provide greater consistency with Canada and Mexico, and ease complaints about alphabet soup and numbers not changing by very much for distance-based exit numbering more developed areas.
Well not only is there the issue with the other signage being in miles, but also, as an American, I honestly have no concept of what a kilometer is, because I've never used them for any actual reason and, let's face it, the vast majority of drivers on DE-1 are Americans who have no clue what a kilometer is either (yes I know 1 kilometer = 0.62 miles, but that requires me to do a conversion that is unnatural to me when measuring distances on a road like DE-1, I just know a handful of the mileposts (Exit 95 is mile 59, Exit 98 is mile 61, Exit 152 is mile 94, Exit 162 is mile 99, Exit 164-166 is mile 100)).

I've always had a joke that the only reason DE-1 uses kilometers is to make Delaware seem bigger than it really is.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on October 25, 2018, 09:13:21 AM
I'd like to see DE 1 convert to mile-based.  Unlike I-19, distance signs are in miles and mile markers are used, not km markers.  Thus, many of the benefits of mile-based numbers are lost (especially since, unlike Canada, my odometer would not be in metric mode when driving on it), and you're left only with the ability to add interchanges without suffixes.  The novelty ceases to be a draw for me when the benefit for the driver over sequential is only marginal.

Although it would be nice if we converted distances/speeds to metric.  Such would provide greater consistency with Canada and Mexico, and ease complaints about alphabet soup and numbers not changing by very much for distance-based exit numbering more developed areas.
Well not only is there the issue with the other signage being in miles, but also, as an American, I honestly have no concept of what a kilometer is, because I've never used them for any actual reason and, let's face it, the vast majority of drivers on DE-1 are Americans who have no clue what a kilometer is either (yes I know 1 kilometer = 0.62 miles, but that requires me to do a conversion that is unnatural to me when measuring distances on a road like DE-1, I just know a handful of the mileposts (Exit 95 is mile 59, Exit 98 is mile 61, Exit 152 is mile 94, Exit 162 is mile 99, Exit 164-166 is mile 100)).

I've always had a joke that the only reason DE-1 uses kilometers is to make Delaware seem bigger than it really is.
It's worth noting that when the older portions of the Expressway version of DE 1 first opened; the interchange numbering was, for a very short period, mileage-based.  Its conversion to the current km-based numbers occurred when DelDOT incorrectly assumed that the nationwide conversion to the metric system was going to restart after stalling for many years.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on October 25, 2018, 10:52:13 AM
It's worth noting that when the older portions of the Expressway version of DE 1 first opened; the interchange numbering was, for a very short period, mileage-based.  Its conversion to the current km-based numbers occurred when DelDOT incorrectly assumed that the nationwide conversion to the metric system was going to restart after stalling for many years.
Knowing Delaware's "business friendly" reputation and the backlash that Connecticut faced when I-395 switched, I have a feeling DE-1 won't change, at least any time soon...not that any of the places on DE-1 north of Lewes and south of Christiana are real tourist destinations...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 25, 2018, 11:00:18 AM
Does anyone know when, the Big interchange project for DE-1/273 is slated to begin?

The overarching SR 1 widening project is on hold indefinitely until the state can get the funds for it.  In the meantime, they've been plucking pieces of that project out and building them separately (IE the DDI at SR 72 and the northbound and future southbound auxiliary lanes between SR 273 and US 40) to hold them over until they get enough to finish the whole thing.
Well, at-least if they extend the lane from the christiana mall & push it all the way to the 1/13 merge traffic wont get bunched up and cause that bad rush-hour traffic. I wish Deldot would restrip the merge at Redlion/13, So the 1 has two full lanes and 13 has to merge. But would this cause traffic issues at the two closest signals before the highway?

It's a half-mile from the traffic light at Bear/Hamburg Roads, and 1/4 mile from the Rt. 71 intersections, to where Rt. 1 merges in.  Doing this just based on knowledge without looking at any traffic counts, there should be no traffic issues if Rt. 13 merged down to one lane prior to Rt. 1 coming down the ramp.
Fully agree.  For reference, a proper merge would be about 1,200' from the previous stop bar, leaving about 800' of lane ending and a 300' taper. The taper would start opposite the 1S-13N loop ramp and would finish at the 1S-13S physical gore - so plenty of room.

At least it'll be a moot point when they do the widening, though that will just raise the question of why is the southbound DE 1 "ramp" only two lanes?

Maybe to be a little cheap so they don't have to widen the Rt. 71 overpass for a 3rd lane, and/or so there doesn't need to be a merge where 1/13 meet?  Looking at the plans online, they show the ROW in that area, and the ROW ends right at the right shoulder's guardrail, so they would need to add the lane on the inside if they didn't want to purchase more land.

I'm thinking it would be nice.  The good thing about delaying a project is there's still time to go back and review the project, and/or bug DelDOT to convince them a 3rd lane will be needed.
But they have plans to redo the whole interchange from the spilt on both sides of 1/13 & redo the 71 road as well.
 https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/sr1/sr1-wide/pdf/SR1-WideningWorkshopsPresentation.pdf (https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/sr1/sr1-wide/pdf/SR1-WideningWorkshopsPresentation.pdf)

Maybe traffic is cause from them signing the Merge to early. There is plenty of enough room for traffic to merge. The 1 is pretty spacious.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 25, 2018, 03:45:09 PM
I'd like to see DE 1 convert to mile-based.  Unlike I-19, distance signs are in miles and mile markers are used, not km markers.  Thus, many of the benefits of mile-based numbers are lost (especially since, unlike Canada, my odometer would not be in metric mode when driving on it), and you're left only with the ability to add interchanges without suffixes.  The novelty ceases to be a draw for me when the benefit for the driver over sequential is only marginal.

Although it would be nice if we converted distances/speeds to metric.  Such would provide greater consistency with Canada and Mexico, and ease complaints about alphabet soup and numbers not changing by very much for distance-based exit numbering more developed areas.
Well not only is there the issue with the other signage being in miles, but also, as an American, I honestly have no concept of what a kilometer is, because I've never used them for any actual reason and, let's face it, the vast majority of drivers on DE-1 are Americans who have no clue what a kilometer is either (yes I know 1 kilometer = 0.62 miles, but that requires me to do a conversion that is unnatural to me when measuring distances on a road like DE-1, I just know a handful of the mileposts (Exit 95 is mile 59, Exit 98 is mile 61, Exit 152 is mile 94, Exit 162 is mile 99, Exit 164-166 is mile 100)).

I've always had a joke that the only reason DE-1 uses kilometers is to make Delaware seem bigger than it really is.

Some of the exit numbers north of the 1/13 split do not match the milepost when converted. 162 should be at MP 100 (almost 101), and 164-166 would fall within MP 102-103.  My conversion exit numbers north of the split (which would be Exit 97)

Exit 99: US 40
Exit 100: DE 273
Exit 101: DE 7 SOUTH
Exit 102A (NB ONLY): Flyover ramp to I-95 North)
Exit 102B: (Local ramp to) I-95 North
Exit 102C: I-95 South
Exit 103: DE 58

Knowing Delaware's "business friendly" reputation and the backlash that Connecticut faced when I-395 switched, I have a feeling DE-1 won't change, at least any time soon...not that any of the places on DE-1 north of Lewes and south of Christiana are real tourist destinations...

I-395 in CT switched because the exit numbers were remnants from the CT Turnpike days, and were a continuation of I-95's numbers.  Much as DE 1 was used to test the effects of the metric system, CT used I-395 to test mileage based exits (except for the stretch near the casinos between I-95 and CT 2, it's pretty desolate).  A few years after the change, I don't hear much backlash other than it was money not well spent (we have a state fiscal crisis, but most people don't realize federal funding was used to make the changes, not state money. Same with sign replacement projects they complained about).  It wasn't an out and out revolt like the Cape Cod residents with US 6. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on October 25, 2018, 04:08:54 PM
I'd like to see DE 1 convert to mile-based.  Unlike I-19, distance signs are in miles and mile markers are used, not km markers.  Thus, many of the benefits of mile-based numbers are lost (especially since, unlike Canada, my odometer would not be in metric mode when driving on it), and you're left only with the ability to add interchanges without suffixes.  The novelty ceases to be a draw for me when the benefit for the driver over sequential is only marginal.

Although it would be nice if we converted distances/speeds to metric.  Such would provide greater consistency with Canada and Mexico, and ease complaints about alphabet soup and numbers not changing by very much for distance-based exit numbering more developed areas.
Well not only is there the issue with the other signage being in miles, but also, as an American, I honestly have no concept of what a kilometer is, because I've never used them for any actual reason and, let's face it, the vast majority of drivers on DE-1 are Americans who have no clue what a kilometer is either (yes I know 1 kilometer = 0.62 miles, but that requires me to do a conversion that is unnatural to me when measuring distances on a road like DE-1, I just know a handful of the mileposts (Exit 95 is mile 59, Exit 98 is mile 61, Exit 152 is mile 94, Exit 162 is mile 99, Exit 164-166 is mile 100)).

I've always had a joke that the only reason DE-1 uses kilometers is to make Delaware seem bigger than it really is.

Some of the exit numbers north of the 1/13 split do not match the milepost when converted. 162 should be at MP 100 (almost 101), and 164-166 would fall within MP 102-103.  My conversion exit numbers north of the split (which would be Exit 97)

Exit 99: US 40
Exit 100: DE 273
Exit 101: DE 7 SOUTH
Exit 102A (NB ONLY): Flyover ramp to I-95 North)
Exit 102B: (Local ramp to) I-95 North
Exit 102C: I-95 South
Exit 103: DE 58

Knowing Delaware's "business friendly" reputation and the backlash that Connecticut faced when I-395 switched, I have a feeling DE-1 won't change, at least any time soon...not that any of the places on DE-1 north of Lewes and south of Christiana are real tourist destinations...

I-395 in CT switched because the exit numbers were remnants from the CT Turnpike days, and were a continuation of I-95's numbers.  Much as DE 1 was used to test the effects of the metric system, CT used I-395 to test mileage based exits (except for the stretch near the casinos between I-95 and CT 2, it's pretty desolate).  A few years after the change, I don't hear much backlash other than it was money not well spent (we have a state fiscal crisis, but most people don't realize federal funding was used to make the changes, not state money. Same with sign replacement projects they complained about).  It wasn't an out and out revolt like the Cape Cod residents with US 6.
My conversions from kilometers to miles were based on approximations from what I remembered, straight from memory.  I knew they weren't quite exact (I figured Exit 164-166 fit in more with Exit 101), I was just thinking of the guidelines I use when traveling on DE-1, considering that I need to travel from Dover to I-95 from time to time.  Typically, I take US-13 from the DE-1/US-13 split, though, just because I prefer to take the most direct route even if it's not the fastest, so I haven't been through the northernmost segment of DE-1 in a while.  Plus, I just personally like the idea of thinking of DE-1 as 100 miles, since it's just an easy number to remember (even though I think the highest posted mile marker is 103 or something, it just keeps things more straightforward in my head).

I was living in Connecticut at the time I-395 switched exits and am well aware of how the exit numbers were and am certainly cognizant of Connecticut's fiscal problems (even though, as you mentioned, federal dollars were used anyway), but I just was recalling the many Facebook comments and articles of people complaining about how it was a waste to change the exit numbers.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: KEVIN_224 on October 25, 2018, 05:47:47 PM
I'm perfectly fine with the Connecticut change (I live southwest of Hartford). I can't speak for DE Route 1 as I've never been on it. Could I-95 in DE ever convert to mile based exits? I'm guessing it's not worth the effort for I-495 in the Wilmington area?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on October 26, 2018, 08:35:00 AM
As I recall, the backlash about the I-395 CT renumbering had more to do with "spending money on it" than the concept of "changing the numbers" did...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 26, 2018, 08:55:26 AM
My conversions from kilometers to miles were based on approximations from what I remembered, straight from memory.  I knew they weren't quite exact (I figured Exit 164-166 fit in more with Exit 101), I was just thinking of the guidelines I use when traveling on DE-1, considering that I need to travel from Dover to I-95 from time to time.  Typically, I take US-13 from the DE-1/US-13 split, though, just because I prefer to take the most direct route even if it's not the fastest, so I haven't been through the northernmost segment of DE-1 in a while.  Plus, I just personally like the idea of thinking of DE-1 as 100 miles, since it's just an easy number to remember (even though I think the highest posted mile marker is 103 or something, it just keeps things more straightforward in my head).

Being that most people are bad at math, couldn't care less about kilometers and have no idea what the true conversion is, current Exit 162 could be Exit 101, 100, 28, 67, whatever!!  Most people won't have a clue what it should've been.

I'm perfectly fine with the Connecticut change (I live southwest of Hartford). I can't speak for DE Route 1 as I've never been on it. Could I-95 in DE ever convert to mile based exits? I'm guessing it's not worth the effort for I-495 in the Wilmington area?

They *could*, but since Delaware is so small it usually doesn't register on people's minds.  On both 95 and 495, the exit numbers would roughly double from what they are now.  Exit 5 on I-495 would be Exit 10, Exit 3 on I-95 would be Exit 6, etc.

I say this about their drivers also. Many people in NJ point to NY and PA drivers as being slow left lane hogs, but Delaware drivers are just as likely to be in that left lane, and have some extremely bad driving habits as well.  Since there's a lot fewer of them, they don't get noticed as much!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on October 26, 2018, 10:06:32 AM
Being that most people are bad at math, couldn't care less about kilometers and have no idea what the true conversion is, current Exit 162 could be Exit 101, 100, 28, 67, whatever!!  Most people won't have a clue what it should've been.
What's more interesting is how far off the exit numbers are on the segments of DE-1 between Milford and Dover.  I have no idea why the exit for Bowers Beach Road/Clapham Road is Exit 88 when it's certainly more than 3 miles (or about 5km) between Exit 88 and 91!

Look at Exits 79 through 88 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware_Route_1#Major_intersections)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on October 26, 2018, 10:48:47 AM
Exit 5 on I-495 would be Exit 10, Exit 3 on I-95 would be Exit 6, etc.
For grins & giggles; I did a couple of quick GSV mile marker observations.  You're not too far off in saying that I-95's & I-495's current numbers would double, in most instances, if converted.

Exit 5 off I-495 would be Exit 11 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8075148,-75.4520999,3a,75y,351.03h,74.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sThKljCWEKlfBrEQkUQ6l-w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).  MM 11.0 is located within the overall interchange footprint.

Exit 3 off I-95 would be Exit 7 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6707058,-75.6771922,3a,75y,77.14h,75.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_sY2t6OAj5LoRdbZCgsl2Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) due to the DE 273 overpass is located beyond MM 6.5.
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For those that are wondering, DE 1's MM 102.0 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6836186,-75.6564752,3a,75y,135.32h,70.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s44rPQGHiphG35GJ5PVDNmA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) is located just south of the I-95 overpass.  So DE 1's Exit 165 would indeed be Exit 102 if such was (re)converted.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 26, 2018, 12:34:43 PM
Exit 5 on I-495 would be Exit 10, Exit 3 on I-95 would be Exit 6, etc.
For grins & giggles; I did a couple of quick GSV mile marker observations.  You're not too far off in saying that I-95's & I-495's current numbers would double, in most instances, if converted.

Exit 5 off I-495 would be Exit 11 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8075148,-75.4520999,3a,75y,351.03h,74.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sThKljCWEKlfBrEQkUQ6l-w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).  MM 11.0 is located within the overall interchange footprint.

Exit 3 off I-95 would be Exit 7 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6707058,-75.6771922,3a,75y,77.14h,75.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_sY2t6OAj5LoRdbZCgsl2Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) due to the DE 273 overpass is located beyond MM 6.5.
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For those that are wondering, DE 1's MM 102.0 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6836186,-75.6564752,3a,75y,135.32h,70.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s44rPQGHiphG35GJ5PVDNmA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) is located just south of the I-95 overpass.  So DE 1's Exit 165 would indeed be Exit 102 if such was (re)converted.



Exit numbers can vary, and often are within the MP, not rounded. There's no actual MUTCD guidance on this from what I can tell, and also depends on their relative locations to each other. Using 295 in NJ as an example, Exits 34 (MP 34.8), Exit 36 (36.9) and Exit 40 (40.6) are examples of such.  When you get to Exit 43 (mp 43.1), it retains the MP reference.  I-195 in NJ has a mix, especially between Exits 1 and 5.  Once you get to the NJ Turnpike and continue east, they appear to remain within the milepost number itself.  Exits 21 and 22 are nearly 2 miles away from each other: Exit 21 is at MP 21.05; Exit 22 is at 22.95!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 26, 2018, 12:47:19 PM
Sorry to interrupt but, does delaware have high crash ratings for highway barriers & the ones that they put on exits to protect cars from smashing into the wall? The Newcastle 141 barrier gets hit every week on the ramp. I assume from the sharp curve. But it seems people take their turns to sharp or the barriers are just in the way.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 26, 2018, 12:55:51 PM
Exit 5 on I-495 would be Exit 10, Exit 3 on I-95 would be Exit 6, etc.
For grins & giggles; I did a couple of quick GSV mile marker observations.  You're not too far off in saying that I-95's & I-495's current numbers would double, in most instances, if converted.

Exit 5 off I-495 would be Exit 11 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8075148,-75.4520999,3a,75y,351.03h,74.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sThKljCWEKlfBrEQkUQ6l-w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).  MM 11.0 is located within the overall interchange footprint.

Exit 3 off I-95 would be Exit 7 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6707058,-75.6771922,3a,75y,77.14h,75.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_sY2t6OAj5LoRdbZCgsl2Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) due to the DE 273 overpass is located beyond MM 6.5.
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For those that are wondering, DE 1's MM 102.0 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6836186,-75.6564752,3a,75y,135.32h,70.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s44rPQGHiphG35GJ5PVDNmA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) is located just south of the I-95 overpass.  So DE 1's Exit 165 would indeed be Exit 102 if such was (re)converted.



Exit numbers can vary, and often are within the MP, not rounded. There's no actual MUTCD guidance on this from what I can tell, and also depends on their relative locations to each other. Using 295 in NJ as an example, Exits 34 (MP 34.8), Exit 36 (36.9) and Exit 40 (40.6) are examples of such.  When you get to Exit 43 (mp 43.1), it retains the MP reference.  I-195 in NJ has a mix, especially between Exits 1 and 5.  Once you get to the NJ Turnpike and continue east, they appear to remain within the milepost number itself.  Exits 21 and 22 are nearly 2 miles away from each other: Exit 21 is at MP 21.05; Exit 22 is at 22.95!
How is 476 numbered? I thought it was in threes but after exit 9 it goes to 13?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on October 26, 2018, 01:52:38 PM
Exit 5 on I-495 would be Exit 10, Exit 3 on I-95 would be Exit 6, etc.
For grins & giggles; I did a couple of quick GSV mile marker observations.  You're not too far off in saying that I-95's & I-495's current numbers would double, in most instances, if converted.

Exit 5 off I-495 would be Exit 11 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8075148,-75.4520999,3a,75y,351.03h,74.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sThKljCWEKlfBrEQkUQ6l-w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).  MM 11.0 is located within the overall interchange footprint.

Exit 3 off I-95 would be Exit 7 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6707058,-75.6771922,3a,75y,77.14h,75.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_sY2t6OAj5LoRdbZCgsl2Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) due to the DE 273 overpass is located beyond MM 6.5.
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For those that are wondering, DE 1's MM 102.0 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6836186,-75.6564752,3a,75y,135.32h,70.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s44rPQGHiphG35GJ5PVDNmA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) is located just south of the I-95 overpass.  So DE 1's Exit 165 would indeed be Exit 102 if such was (re)converted.

Exit numbers can vary, and often are within the MP, not rounded. There's no actual MUTCD guidance on this from what I can tell, and also depends on their relative locations to each other. Using 295 in NJ as an example, Exits 34 (MP 34.8), Exit 36 (36.9) and Exit 40 (40.6) are examples of such.  When you get to Exit 43 (mp 43.1), it retains the MP reference.  I-195 in NJ has a mix, especially between Exits 1 and 5.  Once you get to the NJ Turnpike and continue east, they appear to remain within the milepost number itself.  Exits 21 and 22 are nearly 2 miles away from each other: Exit 21 is at MP 21.05; Exit 22 is at 22.95!
How is 476 numbered? I thought it was in threes but after exit 9 it goes to 13?
When the Blue Route portion of I-476, between I-95 & I-76 first opened circa Dec. 1991; the interchanges were sequentially numbered.  When PA adopted mile-marker-based interchange numbering circa 2000.  I-476's interchanges were renumbered with respect to where its mile markers were.  Although IMHO, the PA 3 interchange should've been renumbered to Exit 8 rather than 9 due to the actual PA 3 crossing occurs at/around I-476's MM 8.4.  PennDOT, in this case,  rounded upward rather than downward. 

OTOH, US 30 crosses I-476 at/around MM 13.1; so that interchange being Exit 13 is completely logical.

As J&N mentioned, there's no hard & fast rule for when to round up or down with respect to the mile markers.  As a result, there's bound to be some inconsistency for interchange numbering along a particular highway.  In the case of PA's conversion; at least a couple of interchanges had fudged conversions in order so that it's number didn't require a change. 

I-476's (Northeast Extension) Exit 31, by right should've changed to Exit 30 due to where PA 63 crossed I-476 but since the old number was only off by one; the PTC let the old number stand.

PennDOT also fudged a couple of numbers along I-95 in Delaware County so that no change to the existing interchange numbers was required for the southernmost 10 miles in PA.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on October 26, 2018, 01:54:02 PM
Exit 5 on I-495 would be Exit 10, Exit 3 on I-95 would be Exit 6, etc.
For grins & giggles; I did a couple of quick GSV mile marker observations.  You're not too far off in saying that I-95's & I-495's current numbers would double, in most instances, if converted.

Exit 5 off I-495 would be Exit 11 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8075148,-75.4520999,3a,75y,351.03h,74.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sThKljCWEKlfBrEQkUQ6l-w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).  MM 11.0 is located within the overall interchange footprint.

Exit 3 off I-95 would be Exit 7 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6707058,-75.6771922,3a,75y,77.14h,75.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_sY2t6OAj5LoRdbZCgsl2Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) due to the DE 273 overpass is located beyond MM 6.5.
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For those that are wondering, DE 1's MM 102.0 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6836186,-75.6564752,3a,75y,135.32h,70.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s44rPQGHiphG35GJ5PVDNmA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) is located just south of the I-95 overpass.  So DE 1's Exit 165 would indeed be Exit 102 if such was (re)converted.



Exit numbers can vary, and often are within the MP, not rounded. There's no actual MUTCD guidance on this from what I can tell, and also depends on their relative locations to each other. Using 295 in NJ as an example, Exits 34 (MP 34.8), Exit 36 (36.9) and Exit 40 (40.6) are examples of such.  When you get to Exit 43 (mp 43.1), it retains the MP reference.  I-195 in NJ has a mix, especially between Exits 1 and 5.  Once you get to the NJ Turnpike and continue east, they appear to remain within the milepost number itself.  Exits 21 and 22 are nearly 2 miles away from each other: Exit 21 is at MP 21.05; Exit 22 is at 22.95!
How is 476 numbered? I thought it was in threes but after exit 9 it goes to 13?
Pennsylvania uses mile-based exits (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_476#Exit_list).  Any deviations you see on the PA Turnpike Northeast Extension segment (e.g. Exit 56) are likely due to the PA Turnpike Mainline having the exit number too, and they don't want to confuse motorists who have toll tickets (e.g. there is an Exit 57).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 26, 2018, 02:55:48 PM
Exit 5 on I-495 would be Exit 10, Exit 3 on I-95 would be Exit 6, etc.
For grins & giggles; I did a couple of quick GSV mile marker observations.  You're not too far off in saying that I-95's & I-495's current numbers would double, in most instances, if converted.

Exit 5 off I-495 would be Exit 11 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8075148,-75.4520999,3a,75y,351.03h,74.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sThKljCWEKlfBrEQkUQ6l-w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).  MM 11.0 is located within the overall interchange footprint.

Exit 3 off I-95 would be Exit 7 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6707058,-75.6771922,3a,75y,77.14h,75.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_sY2t6OAj5LoRdbZCgsl2Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) due to the DE 273 overpass is located beyond MM 6.5.
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For those that are wondering, DE 1's MM 102.0 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6836186,-75.6564752,3a,75y,135.32h,70.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s44rPQGHiphG35GJ5PVDNmA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) is located just south of the I-95 overpass.  So DE 1's Exit 165 would indeed be Exit 102 if such was (re)converted.

Exit numbers can vary, and often are within the MP, not rounded. There's no actual MUTCD guidance on this from what I can tell, and also depends on their relative locations to each other. Using 295 in NJ as an example, Exits 34 (MP 34.8), Exit 36 (36.9) and Exit 40 (40.6) are examples of such.  When you get to Exit 43 (mp 43.1), it retains the MP reference.  I-195 in NJ has a mix, especially between Exits 1 and 5.  Once you get to the NJ Turnpike and continue east, they appear to remain within the milepost number itself.  Exits 21 and 22 are nearly 2 miles away from each other: Exit 21 is at MP 21.05; Exit 22 is at 22.95!
How is 476 numbered? I thought it was in threes but after exit 9 it goes to 13?
When the Blue Route portion of I-476, between I-95 & I-76 first opened circa Dec. 1991; the interchanges were sequentially numbered.  When PA adopted mile-marker-based interchange numbering circa 2000.  I-476's interchanges were renumbered with respect to where its mile markers were.  Although IMHO, the PA 3 interchange should've been renumbered to Exit 8 rather than 9 due to the actual PA 3 crossing occurs at/around I-476's MM 8.4.  PennDOT, in this case,  rounded upward rather than downward. 

OTOH, US 30 crosses I-476 at/around MM 13.1; so that interchange being Exit 13 is completely logical.

As J&N mentioned, there's no hard & fast rule for when to round up or down with respect to the mile markers.  As a result, there's bound to be some inconsistency for interchange numbering along a particular highway.  In the case of PA's conversion; at least a couple of interchanges had fudged conversions in order so that it's number didn't require a change. 

I-476's (Northeast Extension) Exit 31, by right should've changed to Exit 30 due to where PA 63 crossed I-476 but since the old number was only off by one; the PTC let the old number stand.

PennDOT also fudged a couple of numbers along I-95 in Delaware County so that no change to the existing interchange numbers was required for the southernmost 10 miles in PA.
476 opened in 91? Wtf. That makes sense. Why not just renumber the whole system in the U.S to even everything out.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadsguy on October 26, 2018, 03:02:24 PM
PennDOT also fudged a couple of numbers along I-95 in Delaware County so that no change to the existing interchange numbers was required for the southernmost 10 miles in PA.

Did they fudge the mileage or just the exit numbers? They discovered that by Bucks County, the mileage was about a mile off, which is why Exit 40 is now Exit 39.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on October 26, 2018, 03:53:26 PM
476 opened in 91?
Yes it did.  As a matter of fact, most of the major signage from just south of the I-76 to just north of the MacDade Blvd. interchanges are the original signs; with either the exit number on the tab replaced (Baltimore Pike to PA 3) or a new tab (US 30 & I-76).  Prior to it opening, I even biked on the then-unopened portion a few times.

Why not just renumber the whole system in the U.S to even everything out.
Because the feds never fully mandated individual states to do such until relatively recent... and even such still has no definitive deadline.

PennDOT also fudged a couple of numbers along I-95 in Delaware County so that no change to the existing interchange numbers was required for the southernmost 10 miles in PA.

Did they fudge the mileage or just the exit numbers?
Just the exit numbers. 

They discovered that by Bucks County, the mileage was about a mile off, which is why Exit 40 is now Exit 39.
In some ways, that correction/adjustment worked out so that the I-276/295 interchange can be an nice even number (40).    The corresponding I-95/295 interchange number conversion in PA corrected another oversight.  The New Hope/Yardley interchange was Exit 51 despite the fact that the total I-95-PA mileage at the time was just over 50.  Such is now I-295's Exit 10.

Further north, the NJTA corrected some its interchange numbers along the Garden State Parkway (to better match its mileage markers) a few years ago.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 26, 2018, 04:05:25 PM
476 opened in 91?
Yes it did.  As a matter of fact, most of the major signage from just south of the I-76 to just north of the MacDade Blvd. interchanges are the original signs; with either the exit number on the tab replaced (Baltimore Pike to PA 3) or a new tab (US 30 & I-76).  Prior to it opening, I even biked on the then-unopened portion a few times.

Why not just renumber the whole system in the U.S to even everything out.
Because the feds never fully mandated individual states to do such until relatively recent... and even such still has no definitive deadline.

PennDOT also fudged a couple of numbers along I-95 in Delaware County so that no change to the existing interchange numbers was required for the southernmost 10 miles in PA.

Did they fudge the mileage or just the exit numbers?
Just the exit numbers. 

They discovered that by Bucks County, the mileage was about a mile off, which is why Exit 40 is now Exit 39.
In some ways, that correction/adjustment worked out so that the I-276/295 interchange can be an nice even number (40).    The corresponding I-95/295 interchange number conversion in PA corrected another oversight.  The New Hope/Yardley interchange was Exit 51 despite the fact that the total I-95-PA mileage at the time was just over 50.  Such is now I-295's Exit 10.

Further north, the NJTA corrected some its interchange numbers along the Garden State Parkway (to better match its mileage markers) a few years ago.

After the northern part of Route 55 opened, NJDOT renumbered a few (not all) exits on the existing part, changing them by one number.  Seemed very pointless to me, as many NJ exits are kinda off by 1 anyway.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on October 26, 2018, 04:44:40 PM
Exit 5 on I-495 would be Exit 10, Exit 3 on I-95 would be Exit 6, etc.
For grins & giggles; I did a couple of quick GSV mile marker observations.  You're not too far off in saying that I-95's & I-495's current numbers would double, in most instances, if converted.

Exit 5 off I-495 would be Exit 11 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8075148,-75.4520999,3a,75y,351.03h,74.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sThKljCWEKlfBrEQkUQ6l-w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).  MM 11.0 is located within the overall interchange footprint.

Exit 3 off I-95 would be Exit 7 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6707058,-75.6771922,3a,75y,77.14h,75.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_sY2t6OAj5LoRdbZCgsl2Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) due to the DE 273 overpass is located beyond MM 6.5.
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For those that are wondering, DE 1's MM 102.0 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6836186,-75.6564752,3a,75y,135.32h,70.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s44rPQGHiphG35GJ5PVDNmA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) is located just south of the I-95 overpass.  So DE 1's Exit 165 would indeed be Exit 102 if such was (re)converted.



Exit numbers can vary, and often are within the MP, not rounded. There's no actual MUTCD guidance on this from what I can tell, and also depends on their relative locations to each other. Using 295 in NJ as an example, Exits 34 (MP 34.8), Exit 36 (36.9) and Exit 40 (40.6) are examples of such.  When you get to Exit 43 (mp 43.1), it retains the MP reference.  I-195 in NJ has a mix, especially between Exits 1 and 5.  Once you get to the NJ Turnpike and continue east, they appear to remain within the milepost number itself.  Exits 21 and 22 are nearly 2 miles away from each other: Exit 21 is at MP 21.05; Exit 22 is at 22.95!
NJ uses the rule of rounding down. Some states will round either way.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 28, 2018, 11:44:16 PM
It seems the I-95 flyover ramps are experiencing merge issues, coming from the 295 flyover ramp. I believe the only way to stop it is they will have to run a lane all the way to 295, like they should have, why would they have that lane end like that? Traffic count wasn’t expecting to bloom?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 29, 2018, 01:10:56 AM
It seems the I-95 flyover ramps are experiencing merge issues, coming from the 295 flyover ramp. I believe the only way to stop it is they will have to run a lane all the way to 295, like they should have, why would they have that lane end like that? Traffic count wasn’t expecting to bloom?


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Where are you talking about?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 29, 2018, 01:13:33 AM
It seems the I-95 flyover ramps are experiencing merge issues, coming from the 295 flyover ramp. I believe the only way to stop it is they will have to run a lane all the way to 295, like they should have, why would they have that lane end like that? Traffic count wasn’t expecting to bloom?


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Where are you talking about?
The fly over Ramps by the christiana mall. Are there other fly over ramps in de?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 29, 2018, 01:23:02 AM
It seems the I-95 flyover ramps are experiencing merge issues, coming from the 295 flyover ramp. I believe the only way to stop it is they will have to run a lane all the way to 295, like they should have, why would they have that lane end like that? Traffic count wasn’t expecting to bloom?


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Where are you talking about?
The fly over Ramps by the christiana mall. Are there other fly over ramps in de?


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You said the 295 flyover ramps...which doesn't match up with what you appeared to be talking about. If you're referring to how Rt. 1 North's right sided ramp merges onto 95 North without maintaining its lane all the way to 295, that's due to Delaware's decision to have the Rt. 1 North to 95 North left sided ramp having that function.  Delaware has consistently given 95 and 495 the priority, even though the 95 to 295 movement congests often.  The 141 project will at least allow a 3rd lane to be constructed in the future at the 295 diverge.
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 29, 2018, 01:26:42 AM
It seems the I-95 flyover ramps are experiencing merge issues, coming from the 295 flyover ramp. I believe the only way to stop it is they will have to run a lane all the way to 295, like they should have, why would they have that lane end like that? Traffic count wasn’t expecting to bloom?


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Where are you talking about?
The fly over Ramps by the christiana mall. Are there other fly over ramps in de?


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You said the 295 flyover ramps...which doesn't match up with what you appeared to be talking about. If you're referring to how Rt. 1 North's right sided ramp merges onto 95 North without maintaining its lane all the way to 295, that's due to Delaware's decision to have the Rt. 1 North to 95 North left sided ramp having that function.  Delaware has consistently given 95 and 495 the priority, even though the 95 to 295 movement congests often.  The 141 project will at least allow a 3rd lane to be constructed in the future at the 295 diverge.
You’re right. Word mixup on my end.

Yea im surprised they haven’t realized that 295 pushes a lot of traffic thru that stretch right there. 295 deserves 3 lanes. Maybe deldot is gonna add that 6th lane, when they make 95 12 lanes.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 29, 2018, 09:27:54 AM
It seems the I-95 flyover ramps are experiencing merge issues, coming from the 295 flyover ramp. I believe the only way to stop it is they will have to run a lane all the way to 295, like they should have, why would they have that lane end like that? Traffic count wasn’t expecting to bloom?


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Where are you talking about?
The fly over Ramps by the christiana mall. Are there other fly over ramps in de?


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You said the 295 flyover ramps...which doesn't match up with what you appeared to be talking about. If you're referring to how Rt. 1 North's right sided ramp merges onto 95 North without maintaining its lane all the way to 295, that's due to Delaware's decision to have the Rt. 1 North to 95 North left sided ramp having that function.  Delaware has consistently given 95 and 495 the priority, even though the 95 to 295 movement congests often.  The 141 project will at least allow a 3rd lane to be constructed in the future at the 295 diverge.
You’re right. Word mixup on my end.

Yea im surprised they haven’t realized that 295 pushes a lot of traffic thru that stretch right there. 295 deserves 3 lanes. Maybe deldot is gonna add that 6th lane, when they make 95 12 lanes.


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When they widened 95 to 10 lanes total, they used retaining walls on either side of the roadbed to maintain the same footprint while adding 2 additional lanes. In order to go to 12 lanes, they'll need to encroach on wetlands, which is a multi-year attempt just to get fed approval. Don't expect it to happen for many, many years.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on October 29, 2018, 11:41:05 AM
^ Part of that fed approval would require additional right-of-way for wetland mitigation, which will also add cost.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on October 29, 2018, 09:06:13 PM
What they really should have done was build a flyover from SB I-295 to the right side of I-95 so traffic heading to DE 1 doesn't have to cross all those lanes.  I feel that is a major cause of congestion in that direction.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 29, 2018, 09:14:40 PM
What they really should have done was build a flyover from SB I-295 to the right side of I-95 so traffic heading to DE 1 doesn't have to cross all those lanes.  I feel that is a major cause of congestion in that direction.
Thats kinda tough, with that 141 ramp right there. But they should have definitely made two options available. Like DE 1 Has.
 


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on October 30, 2018, 12:05:50 AM
What they really should have done was build a flyover from SB I-295 to the right side of I-95 so traffic heading to DE 1 doesn't have to cross all those lanes.  I feel that is a major cause of congestion in that direction.
The single biggest cause that I can identify is I-295 narrowing to two lanes. The problem is that on weekdays, you want more lanes for 95/495, but on weekends you want more for 295. There are definitely ways to accommodate that without adding more overall lanes, but that requires active management.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on October 30, 2018, 06:25:53 AM
The single biggest cause that I can identify is I-295 narrowing to two lanes. The problem is that on weekdays, you want more lanes for 95/495, but on weekends you want more for 295. There are definitely ways to accommodate that without adding more overall lanes, but that requires active management.

I noticed that problem when I first drove the route in the 1970s.  The river bridge has 4 lanes each way, NJ I-295 and the NJ Turnpike feed the bridge and each has 2 lanes each way, but a portion of I-295 in Delaware becomes much narrower than 4 lanes directional.  It was a design lack 40 years ago and it has gotten worse.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on October 30, 2018, 08:44:50 AM
What they really should have done was build a flyover from SB I-295 to the right side of I-95 so traffic heading to DE 1 doesn't have to cross all those lanes.  I feel that is a major cause of congestion in that direction.
Thats kinda tough, with that 141 ramp right there. But they should have definitely made two options available. Like DE 1 Has.
Well there are signs that still point traffic heading towards Dover (DE-1) to use US-13 South upon crossing the Delaware Memorial Bridge.  Not that US-13 is really an ideal route there due to the heavy traffic, but that would be my preferred route back to Dover if I was coming from New Jersey.

Checking Google Maps does suggest that route actually, but my work computer won't let me access any of the screenshot sharing sites I normally use.  Here's a link (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/camden+nj/dover+de/@39.5687714,-75.9099318,10z/data=!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c6c9192e360043:0xdfe36b76a1938686!2m2!1d-75.1196199!2d39.9259463!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c77d7bdec62207:0xf9688d558d6d0e31!2m2!1d-75.6208088!2d39.1676096), hopefully it shows.

Also does the same thing if I go to a beach (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/camden+nj/Bethany+Beach,+DE+19930/@39.2378152,-75.9279976,9z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c6c9192e360043:0xdfe36b76a1938686!2m2!1d-75.1196199!2d39.9259463!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b8ce0af009e22d:0x5ee36f0e2553e504!2m2!1d-75.0669552!2d38.5494249).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on October 30, 2018, 01:47:23 PM
What they really should have done was build a flyover from SB I-295 to the right side of I-95 so traffic heading to DE 1 doesn't have to cross all those lanes.  I feel that is a major cause of congestion in that direction.
Thats kinda tough, with that 141 ramp right there. But they should have definitely made two options available. Like DE 1 Has.
Well there are signs that still point traffic heading towards Dover (DE-1) to use US-13 South upon crossing the Delaware Memorial Bridge.  Not that US-13 is really an ideal route there due to the heavy traffic, but that would be my preferred route back to Dover if I was coming from New Jersey.

Checking Google Maps does suggest that route actually, but my work computer won't let me access any of the screenshot sharing sites I normally use.  Here's a link (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/camden+nj/dover+de/@39.5687714,-75.9099318,10z/data=!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c6c9192e360043:0xdfe36b76a1938686!2m2!1d-75.1196199!2d39.9259463!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c77d7bdec62207:0xf9688d558d6d0e31!2m2!1d-75.6208088!2d39.1676096), hopefully it shows.

Also does the same thing if I go to a beach (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/camden+nj/Bethany+Beach,+DE+19930/@39.2378152,-75.9279976,9z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c6c9192e360043:0xdfe36b76a1938686!2m2!1d-75.1196199!2d39.9259463!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b8ce0af009e22d:0x5ee36f0e2553e504!2m2!1d-75.0669552!2d38.5494249).
Depends when you're looking. If 95 is congested maps will recommend 13. But 95 free-flow is faster.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 30, 2018, 01:55:48 PM
I think most peoples GPS’ are set to the shortest route rather then fastest, But people who live in the area will know what days/times that 95/13 are most congested. & Deldot put VMS on some roads like 273 that say “Traffic Slowed on 95 Seek Alt route” , (Via sensors on 95 mainland) so that helps. But if you’re driving you miss that sign sometimes & end up in the traffic anyway


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on October 30, 2018, 07:25:14 PM
Recent articles from the Delaware State News about road projects in LSD...

https://delawarestatenews.net/news/deldot-update-on-millsboro-projects-draws-questions/

https://delawarestatenews.net/news/key-deldot-projects-updated/

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Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 30, 2018, 07:42:53 PM
Recent articles from the Delaware State News about road projects in LSD...

https://delawarestatenews.net/news/deldot-update-on-millsboro-projects-draws-questions/

https://delawarestatenews.net/news/key-deldot-projects-updated/

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Wow. The nimbys really try to tear them down. If they dont want a DE-1 down there. Then whats the problem with building something in between. They are asking for in-between & that seems to be it. Do they want rural land or urban land? Its 2018 the world is getting bigger. Those little streets down there are gonna get more & more traffic as the sprawl moves south.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 30, 2018, 11:16:09 PM
The single biggest cause that I can identify is I-295 narrowing to two lanes. The problem is that on weekdays, you want more lanes for 95/495, but on weekends you want more for 295. There are definitely ways to accommodate that without adding more overall lanes, but that requires active management.

I noticed that problem when I first drove the route in the 1970s.  The river bridge has 4 lanes each way, NJ I-295 and the NJ Turnpike feed the bridge and each has 2 lanes each way, but a portion of I-295 in Delaware becomes much narrower than 4 lanes directional.  It was a design lack 40 years ago and it has gotten worse.
Beltway you drove Delaware  95 when it first opened? What did the state trooper station in the middle of U.S 13/40 spilt look like? (If you drove that part)


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on October 31, 2018, 12:20:00 AM
I noticed that problem when I first drove the route in the 1970s.  The river bridge has 4 lanes each way, NJ I-295 and the NJ Turnpike feed the bridge and each has 2 lanes each way, but a portion of I-295 in Delaware becomes much narrower than 4 lanes directional.  It was a design lack 40 years ago and it has gotten worse.
Beltway you drove Delaware  95 when it first opened? What did the state trooper station in the middle of U.S 13/40 spilt look like? (If you drove that part)

Delaware I-95 was all open by 1968.  I first drove it in 1972.  I do vaguely recall the state trooper station, but no details.  The DE Turnpike was opened in 1963, and had been 6-laned by 1972.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on October 31, 2018, 06:14:21 AM
  I do vaguely recall the state trooper station [at 13 and 40], but no details.

Here's a detail of that location I remember greatly from my childhood and adolescence trips to the DE beaches: the billboard in the median of 13/40, depicting the Grim Reaper (Happy Halloween!) posing next to two tombstones.  The first tombstone showed the tally of Delaware highway deaths so far in the current year.  The other showed the tally of same for the corresponding period the previous year.  That billboard was removed when lanes were added to 13/40.

The smokey house was next door to Clemente's restaurant which was also a busy Greyhound/Trailways bus stop.  It closed about 25 years ago and the building eventually became this...

https://tinyurl.com/yaqne53a

The DSP moved that district's barracks to a new facility on U.S. 40 halfway between DE's 896 and 72 a few years ago.  The old barracks at 13 and 40 is now the Colonial School District Technology Center.

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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 31, 2018, 10:59:00 AM
  I do vaguely recall the state trooper station [at 13 and 40], but no details.

Here's a detail of that location I remember greatly from my childhood and adolescence trips to the DE beaches: the billboard in the median of 13/40, depicting the Grim Reaper (Happy Halloween!) posing next to two tombstones.  The first tombstone showed the tally of Delaware highway deaths so far in the current year.  The other showed the tally of same for the corresponding period the previous year.  That billboard was removed when lanes were added to 13/40.

The smokey house was next door to Clemente's restaurant which was also a busy Greyhound/Trailways bus stop.  It closed about 25 years ago and the building eventually became this...

https://tinyurl.com/yaqne53a

The DSP moved that district's barracks to a new facility on U.S. 40 halfway between DE's 896 and 72 a few years ago.  The old barracks at 13 and 40 is now the Colonial School District Technology Center.

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Oh shit!!!!! A greyhound station was right there & the Colonial technology center was the DSP. Why change that area so much? Looks like that corridor could have became more then what it is today, even though they are fixing 13 up now & getting rid of the bullshit stores. Was that exxon always there? & did the road ever go over the tracks across from wilton/walmart


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: davewiecking on November 01, 2018, 02:23:34 AM
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Reports that a chunk of concrete fell from the Naamans Road bridge onto a vehicle traveling on I-95 caused state bridge inspectors to close the interstate and check the span Wednesday morning, the Delaware Department of Transportation said.

All lanes reopened by the early afternoon after DelDOT said inspectors found no significant deterioration to the bridge, which spans I-95 and I-495 interchange.

DelDOT's initial public announcement about the work had said that only I-95 northbound would completely close. Yet, shortly after 11 a.m., state engineers could be seen on traffic cameras peering upwards at the Naamans Road span from a closed I-495 expressway.
More at: https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/traffic/2018/10/31/report-falling-concrete-closed-95-lanes/1831468002/
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 01, 2018, 02:25:19 AM
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Reports that a chunk of concrete fell from the Naamans Road bridge onto a vehicle traveling on I-95 caused state bridge inspectors to close the interstate and check the span Wednesday morning, the Delaware Department of Transportation said.

All lanes reopened by the early afternoon after DelDOT said inspectors found no significant deterioration to the bridge, which spans I-95 and I-495 interchange.

DelDOT's initial public announcement about the work had said that only I-95 northbound would completely close. Yet, shortly after 11 a.m., state engineers could be seen on traffic cameras peering upwards at the Naamans Road span from a closed I-495 expressway.
More at: https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/traffic/2018/10/31/report-falling-concrete-closed-95-lanes/1831468002/
Wow thats what happened? I had to cross the median to get on 13. Traffic was very bad on 495. Had to go all the way thru Chester & get on from the Commodore berry.


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Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 02, 2018, 10:55:11 AM
Looking at google imagery , I see there is a strip of land behind suburban plaza in Newark, De where the Christiana parkway is. Does that means plans of the newark beltways could come back? Or they will probably just use that land to extend the road to Barksdale road & W Main St road?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: seicer on November 02, 2018, 11:36:10 AM
The entire proposed route north of Suburban Plaza has been developed over in Delaware, and the remainder was never a serious consideration other than early planning.
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 02, 2018, 11:39:28 AM
The entire proposed route north of Suburban Plaza has been developed over in Delaware, and the remainder was never a serious consideration other than early planning.

I see that. But it is not developed up to Barksdale & W Main  https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6783562,-75.7803516,14z/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6783562,-75.7803516,14z/data=!3m1!1e3)

& it should have been more thought of. That would have relieved traffic in that neck of the woods & made it easier for everyone/thing to move around. They should have considered todays traffic & the fact that it could have made main street more then just one street. Id like to have seen a whole beltway loop in Delaware. Especially in that area. White clay park would have been a nice drive.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 02, 2018, 02:02:52 PM
The entire proposed route north of Suburban Plaza has been developed over in Delaware, and the remainder was never a serious consideration other than early planning.

I see that. But it is not developed up to Barksdale & W Main  https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6783562,-75.7803516,14z/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6783562,-75.7803516,14z/data=!3m1!1e3)

& it should have been more thought of. That would have relieved traffic in that neck of the woods & made it easier for everyone/thing to move around. They should have considered todays traffic & the fact that it could have made main street more then just one street. Id like to have seen a whole beltway loop in Delaware. Especially in that area. White clay park would have been a nice drive.


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You're talking about the strip of land where the Christiana River is located.  So no, they're not building on the river.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 02, 2018, 02:03:56 PM
The entire proposed route north of Suburban Plaza has been developed over in Delaware, and the remainder was never a serious consideration other than early planning.

I see that. But it is not developed up to Barksdale & W Main  https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6783562,-75.7803516,14z/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6783562,-75.7803516,14z/data=!3m1!1e3)

& it should have been more thought of. That would have relieved traffic in that neck of the woods & made it easier for everyone/thing to move around. They should have considered todays traffic & the fact that it could have made main street more then just one street. Id like to have seen a whole beltway loop in Delaware. Especially in that area. White clay park would have been a nice drive.


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You're talking about the strip of land where the Christiana River is located.  So no, they're not building on the river.
Wasn’t it going to go that way anyway? Are there any known pictures of the proposal?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: seicer on November 02, 2018, 03:30:31 PM
Some of the proposals go back pretty far, and the land it was proposed on (a paper proposal) has long been built upon. And Maryland really doesn't have any interest in building it since they won't get any real benefit from such a bypass except for more sprawl.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 03, 2018, 12:19:55 AM
Some of the proposals go back pretty far, and the land it was proposed on (a paper proposal) has long been built upon. And Maryland really doesn't have any interest in building it since they won't get any real benefit from such a bypass except for more sprawl.
Maryland shouldn’t be involved with that anyway, Even though “its”  right there they would just deal with the traffic on a two lane road they “didnt”  upgrade. Would newark ever have a chance of a real Highway connection? Yes 95 is right there but what about the hills & city of newark?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 03, 2018, 08:54:28 AM
Some of the proposals go back pretty far, and the land it was proposed on (a paper proposal) has long been built upon. And Maryland really doesn't have any interest in building it since they won't get any real benefit from such a bypass except for more sprawl.
Maryland shouldn’t be involved with that anyway, Even though “its” right there they would just deal with the traffic on a two lane road they “didnt” upgrade. Would newark ever have a chance of a real Highway connection? Yes 95 is right there but what about the hills & city of newark?


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Where are you going to put a highway in that area without knocking down a lot of houses and businesses, which is exactly what happened to many cities (including Wilmington)?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: seicer on November 03, 2018, 10:31:42 AM
It also doesn't serve anything of major importance to the north, except for subdivisions and houses in Pennsylvania. It only adds to the burden that Delaware taxpayers have to maintain for out-of-state residents - to bypass a city. They chose to live out that far, and so they can deal with the traffic of Newark. Ideally, Newark's city center would be even more traffic calmed - it's a college town, after all.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 03, 2018, 10:47:55 AM
Sheesh, all these unfinished highways, Delaware is gonna be sorry in years to come. They are gonna wish they built a full Newport freeway & a full Newark freeway. They wonder why 95 has such bad traffic? Uhh cause you got the whole delaware getting off at exits 273 & 896. Why? Cause we let people that probably don’t even drive everyday tell us what roads to build & shoot down every project that Deldot presents. & you say where will they build it? Gee maybe the same way they did Wilmington, pick a spot with the lowest housing prices. Of course white clay & that area has money. The state doesn’t wanna pay 1 million for people to leave their mansions? Understandable. Should have purchased their right of way a long time ago & stop letting people bully them.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 03, 2018, 11:06:57 AM
Sheesh, all these unfinished highways, Delaware is gonna be sorry in years to come. They are gonna wish they built a full Newport freeway & a full Newark freeway. They wonder why 95 has such bad traffic? Uhh cause you got the whole delaware getting off at exits 273 & 896. Why? Cause we let people that probably don’t even drive everyday tell us what roads to build & shoot down every project that Deldot presents. & you say where will they build it? Gee maybe the same way they did Wilmington, pick a spot with the lowest housing prices. Of course white clay & that area has money. The state doesn’t wanna pay 1 million for people to leave their mansions? Understandable. Should have purchased their right of way a long time ago & stop letting people bully them.


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The 'whole Delaware' getting off at 273 and 896? Route 1 dude.  Route 1.  Or how about Hockessin?  Or North Wilmington?  Or Middletown.  You are wearing horse blinders if you think the entire state lives off 2 exits of a highway.

Also, how much do you pay in taxes?  How about you increase it to a few billion so that Delaware has the money to build the roads you so desperately want?

Delaware has a pretty good road network. You're not going to get highways near every home, and many people don't want those highways near their homes anyway.
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 03, 2018, 11:25:29 AM
Sheesh, all these unfinished highways, Delaware is gonna be sorry in years to come. They are gonna wish they built a full Newport freeway & a full Newark freeway. They wonder why 95 has such bad traffic? Uhh cause you got the whole delaware getting off at exits 273 & 896. Why? Cause we let people that probably don’t even drive everyday tell us what roads to build & shoot down every project that Deldot presents. & you say where will they build it? Gee maybe the same way they did Wilmington, pick a spot with the lowest housing prices. Of course white clay & that area has money. The state doesn’t wanna pay 1 million for people to leave their mansions? Understandable. Should have purchased their right of way a long time ago & stop letting people bully them.


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The 'whole Delaware' getting off at 273 and 896? Route 1 dude.  Route 1.  Or how about Hockessin?  Or North Wilmington?  Or Middletown.  You are wearing horse blinders if you think the entire state lives off 2 exits of a highway.

Also, how much do you pay in taxes?  How about you increase it to a few billion so that Delaware has the money to build the roads you so desperately want?

Delaware has a pretty good road network. You're not going to get highways near every home, and many people don't want those highways near their homes anyway.
I guess my tax dollars are going to use. Because the roads in my area are going thru construction. & ok so Route 1 has chance for freeway standards pass christiana mall you think? & I know the whole state doesnt live off of 273/896. But a good MAJORITY lives in newark & the Glasgow bear area. & the closest exit to get to red mill road is 95@273 or 141 @kirkwood hwy. so because of the missing movements people all swarm at these exits, If the Newark highway was at least built. Would 273 need a whole need multimillion interchange? Would 896 need flyover ramps? & if I had the money I would. I would invest in the city & area. & make the area better, instead of expecting everyone else to do it.
& jeff you know damn well that Route 1 is bullshit pass the 273 exit. Thats another reason why 95 is packed. No finished route 1 corridors. So what else do the people use? The dirt roads?

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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on November 03, 2018, 12:55:55 PM
It also doesn't serve anything of major importance to the north, except for subdivisions and houses in Pennsylvania. It only adds to the burden that Delaware taxpayers have to maintain for out-of-state residents - to bypass a city. They chose to live out that far, and so they can deal with the traffic of Newark. Ideally, Newark's city center would be even more traffic calmed - it's a college town, after all.

What roads are being discussed here?  I-476?  US-202?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 03, 2018, 01:05:30 PM
It also doesn't serve anything of major importance to the north, except for subdivisions and houses in Pennsylvania. It only adds to the burden that Delaware taxpayers have to maintain for out-of-state residents - to bypass a city. They chose to live out that far, and so they can deal with the traffic of Newark. Ideally, Newark's city center would be even more traffic calmed - it's a college town, after all.

What roads are being discussed here?  I-476?  US-202?
Newark Beltway & Newport 141 never being completed or constructed


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 03, 2018, 01:10:09 PM
It also doesn't serve anything of major importance to the north, except for subdivisions and houses in Pennsylvania. It only adds to the burden that Delaware taxpayers have to maintain for out-of-state residents - to bypass a city. They chose to live out that far, and so they can deal with the traffic of Newark. Ideally, Newark's city center would be even more traffic calmed - it's a college town, after all.
You think they wouldn’t toll that route? Coming from Pa?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadsguy on November 03, 2018, 01:12:25 PM
The only new road to the north that needs to be built is a PA 41 expressway that would ideally tie in to DE 1 or 141, though I don't think there's any good place to do that today.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on November 03, 2018, 04:26:20 PM
What roads are being discussed here?  I-476?  US-202?
Newark Beltway & Newport 141 never being completed or constructed

I didn't know there were ever any plans for them.  Any maps online of the routes?
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 03, 2018, 06:06:05 PM
What roads are being discussed here?  I-476?  US-202?
Newark Beltway & Newport 141 never being completed or constructed

I didn't know there were ever any plans for them.  Any maps online of the routes?
Yea, well AAroads has some information on the website. But 141 is partial built (with plans to upgrade it?) & The Newark Beltway was halted in discussion. We might be able to find grading on HA. But other then that The documents are probably in Deldot custody.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 03, 2018, 06:28:07 PM
What roads are being discussed here?  I-476?  US-202?
Newark Beltway & Newport 141 never being completed or constructed

I didn't know there were ever any plans for them.  Any maps online of the routes?
Yea, well AAroads has some information on the website. But 141 is partial built (with plans to upgrade it?) & The Newark Beltway was halted in discussion. We might be able to find grading on HA. But other then that The documents are probably in Deldot custody.


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The best source for old plans may actually be at the University of Delaware Library.  Colleges, Universities and State Libraries are typical locations where plans of old wound up.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on November 03, 2018, 10:36:13 PM
Newark Beltway & Newport 141 never being completed or constructed
I didn't know there were ever any plans for them.  Any maps online of the routes?
Yea, well AAroads has some information on the website. But 141 is partial built (with plans to upgrade it?) & The Newark Beltway was halted in discussion. We might be able to find grading on HA. But other then that The documents are probably in Deldot custody.
The best source for old plans may actually be at the University of Delaware Library.  Colleges, Universities and State Libraries are typical locations where plans of old wound up.

Draft EIS, 1970
DE-4, Newark Beltway, Ogletown to New London Road, New Castle County
https://tinyurl.com/y88qv3pm

Project about 7.7 miles long, a divided multi-lane arterial.  Page down and you can see a map of the alternatives.
...

I don't see the DE 141 extension yet, but I will note that I saw the viaduct under construction in 1976 and the scale and size and straightness looked like it would be part of a major freeway (and I later noticed that it never did).
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 03, 2018, 10:55:30 PM

Draft EIS, 1970
DE-4, Newark Beltway, Ogletown to New London Road, New Castle County
https://tinyurl.com/y88qv3pm

Project about 7.7 miles long, a divided multi-lane arterial.  Page down and you can see a map of the alternatives.
...

I don't see the DE 141 extension yet, but I will note that I saw the viaduct under construction in 1976 and the scale and size and straightness looked like it would be part of a major freeway (and I later noticed that it never did).

From looking at the plans you showed, another alignment was planned coming thru Newark passing over 95. Is that the proposed 301 from that time? or a route 1 spur?
I also see that the alternative plans they have cover a lot of different areas, This explains why 273 was upgraded at Red mill road but after that it downgrades back to a local road, People must have really been mad to see these plans, Del-dot could have cleaned it up a little, but it was just "for show" at the time. Just makes me wonder if this was built, what kind of sprawl would have started in the circle. and how traffic would have flowed. Very interesting. And looking at 141 on HA I dont see anything yet but i'll Look for something regarding 141. Why would something so thoroughly planned be abruptly cancelled.

Update:

https://books.google.com/books?id=Dqw1AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA4&lpg=PA4&dq=delaware+route+4+newark+beltway&source=bl&ots=LDAlU5hQnF&sig=33W-zk3S4HvWtS6fvmJeArpj6JU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiCscK84LneAhUG0FMKHRiNBsIQ6AEwA3oECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=delaware%20route%204%20newark%20beltway&f=false (https://books.google.com/books?id=Dqw1AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA4&lpg=PA4&dq=delaware+route+4+newark+beltway&source=bl&ots=LDAlU5hQnF&sig=33W-zk3S4HvWtS6fvmJeArpj6JU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiCscK84LneAhUG0FMKHRiNBsIQ6AEwA3oECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=delaware%20route%204%20newark%20beltway&f=false) Found another website with even more plans and images, this shows alot of information.


Also: 141 Hwy Plans. Are these still in effect? Are they gonna complete 141?  https://www.aaroads.com/guides/de-141/ (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/de-141/)
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 04, 2018, 05:19:46 PM
Something happened on I95 south in Delaware . Traffic at a standstill. Seen it from the chapman road overpass thats by the rest stop.


Update: Looking on waze people were saying it was bridge construction, right before the 896 exits. Traffic is flowing now but it was backed up all the way to the mall.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on November 04, 2018, 07:30:52 PM
^ He's probably referring to Chapman Rd in Newark, DE...near the Delaware House.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 07, 2018, 01:11:08 AM
When they make 95 six lanes will they add the lane to 495 southbound, or 141 C/D Roadway


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 07, 2018, 06:02:16 AM
When they make 95 six lanes will they add the lane to 495 southbound, or 141 C/D Roadway


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What do you mean "when"? There's no plans to do so, so your question doesn't have an answer.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 07, 2018, 10:58:13 AM
When they make 95 six lanes will they add the lane to 495 southbound, or 141 C/D Roadway


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What do you mean "when"? There's no plans to do so, so your question doesn't have an answer.
Oh so the bottleneck from those two highways emptying traffic will continue to get worse for the years to come.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on November 07, 2018, 11:36:04 AM
When they make 95 six lanes will they add the lane to 495 southbound, or 141 C/D Roadway


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What do you mean "when"? There's no plans to do so, so your question doesn't have an answer.
Oh so the bottleneck from those two highways emptying traffic will continue to get worse for the years to come.

The state only has so much money to fix so many issues, your expectations are entirely unrealistic. Widening I-95 again as discussed previously would be prohibitively expensive given the scope and location of the project in an environmentally sensitive area. This especially given how many other areas in the state desperately need more attention than that stretch of road, which is not as bad as you're making it out to be. From what I understand, the extended lane on I-495 has improved conditions along the I-95 / 495 SB merge anyway.

DelDOT for the most part posts all of their near-term projects on their website, which you can easily cross-check to see if these projects you're talking about even exist.
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 07, 2018, 11:57:41 AM
When they make 95 six lanes will they add the lane to 495 southbound, or 141 C/D Roadway


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What do you mean "when"? There's no plans to do so, so your question doesn't have an answer.
Oh so the bottleneck from those two highways emptying traffic will continue to get worse for the years to come.

The state only has so much money to fix so many issues, your expectations are entirely unrealistic. Widening I-95 again as discussed previously would be prohibitively expensive given the scope and location of the project in an environmentally sensitive area. This especially given how many other areas in the state desperately need more attention than that stretch of road, which is not as bad as you're making it out to be. From what I understand, the extended lane on I-495 has improved conditions along the I-95 / 495 SB merge anyway.

DelDOT for the most part posts all of their near-term projects on their website, which you can easily cross-check to see if these projects you're talking about even exist.
Of course. I have the Deldot projects page on my desktop. I know that adding another lane is going to be hard. As some of you already said. & The marshlands & etc which is harder to build on then a normal highway. But I said “when”  as to future dates & if deldot will even be needed to do that. I said a 6th lane because the problem with traffic isn’t more so 95 but the fact that 141 exits doesn’t have its own lane for all the traffic is carries & The 495 extended merge lane, has helped push traffic onto 95 instead of blocking the 495 To 141 flyover ramp to the right. So I wouldn’t call that fixed. If you’ve been in the area at the crucial traffic times then you would have seen this. I still take the flyover 141 ramp & fly by everyone else. While I see how 95 is packed with traffic that looks worse then what it did before. So check you’re sources when you say it has improved  conditions, I seen the deldot news article saying it has improved conditions of traffic. WHERE? On 495? Yea. 95 No! Now, my ideas are crazy. But am I looking at future or now? Ill give you an example. If the Newark beltway was created. Would Red Mill road & Harmony road (turning from kirkwood/capitol trail) need turning lanes thats double what Ive ever seen in any state for a local road? Now this is what Newark deals with since, they shot down their chances at a highway. Shit maybe they will build the highway in a couple years, because its only gonna get worse & adding MORE traffic lights & photo cameras will not help!


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on November 07, 2018, 04:26:31 PM
Are you talking about 6-laning I-95 thru downtown Wilmington?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 07, 2018, 04:27:28 PM
Are you talking about 6-laning I-95 thru downtown Wilmington?
No the part where 495-295-141 Exits merge.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on November 07, 2018, 04:32:53 PM
Are you talking about 6-laning I-95 thru downtown Wilmington?
No the part where 495-295-141 Exits merge.

I just checked and it looks like I-95 has 3 lanes each way thruout, no 2-lane section between Maryland and the downtown.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 07, 2018, 04:39:24 PM
Are you talking about 6-laning I-95 thru downtown Wilmington?
No the part where 495-295-141 Exits merge.

I just checked and it looks like I-95 has 3 lanes each way thruout, no 2-lane section between Maryland and the downtown.
Yea its 10 lanes total, its needs to be 12 lanes total.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on November 07, 2018, 05:27:25 PM
Ill give you an example. If the Newark beltway was created. Would Red Mill road & Harmony road (turning from kirkwood/capitol trail) need turning lanes thats double what Ive ever seen in any state for a local road?

y-yes?
How is a circumferential highway on the other side of town supposed to help traffic get from the Ogletown area and points south up to Kirkwood Highway, Pike Creek, and points north? And in what world is double turn lanes on a two-lane arterial roadway absurd?
How is that even remotely relevant to blasting another two lanes through the marsh anyway?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 07, 2018, 05:30:12 PM
Ill give you an example. If the Newark beltway was created. Would Red Mill road & Harmony road (turning from kirkwood/capitol trail) need turning lanes thats double what Ive ever seen in any state for a local road?

y-yes?
How is a circumferential highway on the other side of town supposed to help traffic get from the Ogletown area and points south up to Kirkwood Highway, Pike Creek, and points north? And in what world is double turn lanes on a two-lane arterial roadway absurd?
I said the turn lanes from kirkwood highway to redmill road. & Harmony road They are not double turn lanes. They are 1 lane & extend double what a normal one lane turning lane is because there is no room for 2 turning lanes. And im giving an example of how not fixing a problem will only make it worse. Was my statement confusing?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on November 07, 2018, 05:39:37 PM
Ill give you an example. If the Newark beltway was created. Would Red Mill road & Harmony road (turning from kirkwood/capitol trail) need turning lanes thats double what Ive ever seen in any state for a local road?

y-yes?
How is a circumferential highway on the other side of town supposed to help traffic get from the Ogletown area and points south up to Kirkwood Highway, Pike Creek, and points north? And in what world is double turn lanes on a two-lane arterial roadway absurd?
I said the turn lanes from kirkwood highway to redmill road. & Harmony road They are not double turn lanes. They are 1 lane & extend double what a normal one lane turning lane is because there is no room for 2 turning lanes. And im giving an example of how not fixing a problem will only make it worse. Was my statement confusing?

That long left turn lane from Kirkwood Highway was created by combining the old left turn lane for Old Harmony Road with the existing lane, it was a clever way to expand the turning capacity without spending millions of dollars on road widening that wasn't top priority yet. Now that saved money can be used elsewhere until any potential widening becomes absolutely necessary. You don't seem to understand that the state does not have unlimited funds to acquire hundreds of properties or permits etc. for these projects you've dreamed up. They're being as wise with the money they do have as they can, blowing it all on an expensive beltway that no one seems to be asking for and no one has any room to build is not fiscal prudence.

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Was my statement confusing?
To be completely honest most of them are. For one thing, that long turn lane doesn't go anywhere near Red Mill Road.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 07, 2018, 05:45:01 PM
Ill give you an example. If the Newark beltway was created. Would Red Mill road & Harmony road (turning from kirkwood/capitol trail) need turning lanes thats double what Ive ever seen in any state for a local road?

y-yes?
How is a circumferential highway on the other side of town supposed to help traffic get from the Ogletown area and points south up to Kirkwood Highway, Pike Creek, and points north? And in what world is double turn lanes on a two-lane arterial roadway absurd?
I said the turn lanes from kirkwood highway to redmill road. & Harmony road They are not double turn lanes. They are 1 lane & extend double what a normal one lane turning lane is because there is no room for 2 turning lanes. And im giving an example of how not fixing a problem will only make it worse. Was my statement confusing?

That long left turn lane from Kirkwood Highway was created by combining the old left turn lane for Old Harmony Road with the existing lane, it was a clever way to expand the turning capacity without spending millions of dollars on road widening that wasn't top priority yet. Now that saved money can be used elsewhere until any potential widening becomes absolutely necessary. You don't seem to understand that the state does not have unlimited funds to acquire hundreds of properties or permits etc. for these projects you've dreamed up. They're being as wise with the money they do have as they can, blowing it all on an expensive beltway that no one seems to be asking for and no one has any room to build is not fiscal prudence.

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Was my statement confusing?
To be completely honest most of them are. For one thing, that long turn lane doesn't go anywhere near Red Mill Road.
Im sorry the road with the other long turning lane is Polly Drummond road. I forgot all roads do not, always carry the same name when crossing another.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on November 07, 2018, 06:01:17 PM
Ill give you an example. If the Newark beltway was created. Would Red Mill road & Harmony road (turning from kirkwood/capitol trail) need turning lanes thats double what Ive ever seen in any state for a local road?

y-yes?
How is a circumferential highway on the other side of town supposed to help traffic get from the Ogletown area and points south up to Kirkwood Highway, Pike Creek, and points north? And in what world is double turn lanes on a two-lane arterial roadway absurd?
I said the turn lanes from kirkwood highway to redmill road. & Harmony road They are not double turn lanes. They are 1 lane & extend double what a normal one lane turning lane is because there is no room for 2 turning lanes. And im giving an example of how not fixing a problem will only make it worse. Was my statement confusing?

That long left turn lane from Kirkwood Highway was created by combining the old left turn lane for Old Harmony Road with the existing lane, it was a clever way to expand the turning capacity without spending millions of dollars on road widening that wasn't top priority yet. Now that saved money can be used elsewhere until any potential widening becomes absolutely necessary. You don't seem to understand that the state does not have unlimited funds to acquire hundreds of properties or permits etc. for these projects you've dreamed up. They're being as wise with the money they do have as they can, blowing it all on an expensive beltway that no one seems to be asking for and no one has any room to build is not fiscal prudence.

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Was my statement confusing?
To be completely honest most of them are. For one thing, that long turn lane doesn't go anywhere near Red Mill Road.
Im sorry the road with the other long turning lane is Polly Drummond road. I forgot all roads do not, always carry the same name when crossing another.


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Polly Drummond's isn't terribly long either. That whole intersection is getting redone anyhow in a few years, and I believe a project at the Harmony intersection got added to the CTP this past year also.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 07, 2018, 06:08:38 PM
Ill give you an example. If the Newark beltway was created. Would Red Mill road & Harmony road (turning from kirkwood/capitol trail) need turning lanes thats double what Ive ever seen in any state for a local road?

y-yes?
How is a circumferential highway on the other side of town supposed to help traffic get from the Ogletown area and points south up to Kirkwood Highway, Pike Creek, and points north? And in what world is double turn lanes on a two-lane arterial roadway absurd?
I said the turn lanes from kirkwood highway to redmill road. & Harmony road They are not double turn lanes. They are 1 lane & extend double what a normal one lane turning lane is because there is no room for 2 turning lanes. And im giving an example of how not fixing a problem will only make it worse. Was my statement confusing?

That long left turn lane from Kirkwood Highway was created by combining the old left turn lane for Old Harmony Road with the existing lane, it was a clever way to expand the turning capacity without spending millions of dollars on road widening that wasn't top priority yet. Now that saved money can be used elsewhere until any potential widening becomes absolutely necessary. You don't seem to understand that the state does not have unlimited funds to acquire hundreds of properties or permits etc. for these projects you've dreamed up. They're being as wise with the money they do have as they can, blowing it all on an expensive beltway that no one seems to be asking for and no one has any room to build is not fiscal prudence.

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Was my statement confusing?
To be completely honest most of them are. For one thing, that long turn lane doesn't go anywhere near Red Mill Road.
Im sorry the road with the other long turning lane is Polly Drummond road. I forgot all roads do not, always carry the same name when crossing another.


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Polly Drummond's isn't terribly long either. That whole intersection is getting redone anyhow in a few years, and I believe a project at the Harmony intersection got added to the CTP this past year also.
Thats good then. How will they widen the road with the grave yard right there. Its gonna be hard to do with all those houses & businesses. & My rants are more how these projects could have helped the area. Every city has a well connected road system & Delaware, well I cant say that so much.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 07, 2018, 06:15:43 PM
Every city has a well connected road system & Delaware, well I cant say that so much.

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You haven't left Delaware much, have you?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 07, 2018, 06:27:32 PM
Every city has a well connected road system & Delaware, well I cant say that so much.

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You haven't left Delaware much, have you?
Sorry should have said “Every city needs to have a well connected road system”  I am aware that this is a “everywhere”  issue.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on November 07, 2018, 06:31:00 PM
Thats good then. How will they widen the road with the grave yard right there. Its gonna be hard to do with all those houses & businesses. & My rants are more how these projects could have helped the area. Every city has a well connected road system & Delaware, well I cant say that so much.
US-202 between King of Prussia PA and New Hope PA...  Hartford could make use of a beltway, but those plans are long gone...  etc.

In my experience of driving through some rush hour traffic in Wilmington and in Hartford, I don't find Wilmington/Newark to be too bad.  If you know the back roads, it's manageable.  It definitely would take longer than traffic-less I-95 (e.g. my old alternate route between Wilmington and Newark was US-13 to DE-273 to DE-58 to DE-4 to DE-72, that usually took 35-40 minutes, I-95 took about 20-25 minutes), but at least I was moving.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 07, 2018, 06:40:41 PM
Thats good then. How will they widen the road with the grave yard right there. Its gonna be hard to do with all those houses & businesses. & My rants are more how these projects could have helped the area. Every city has a well connected road system & Delaware, well I cant say that so much.
US-202 between King of Prussia PA and New Hope PA...  Hartford could make use of a beltway, but those plans are long gone...  etc.

In my experience of driving through some rush hour traffic in Wilmington and in Hartford, I don't find Wilmington/Newark to be too bad.  If you know the back roads, it's manageable.  It definitely would take longer than traffic-less I-95 (e.g. my old alternate route between Wilmington and Newark was US-13 to DE-273 to DE-58 to DE-4 to DE-72, that usually took 35-40 minutes, I-95 took about 20-25 minutes), but at least I was moving.
You see how many roads you have to go up & down. Thats my point right there, I know about the back roads that are good when its traffic. But all this thru traffic is clogging the roads we use to simply get from home & work, highways definitely help deference local & commuter traffic. As well as it being vice versa. So maybe  so many local roads wouldnt have to be upgraded if we had highways.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: seicer on November 07, 2018, 09:24:06 PM
It's a mixed bag. I am a huge fan of complete streets (https://www.citylab.com/topics/complete-streets/), which can not only make a lot of roadways safer for all users - motorists, pedestrians, and cyclists (for example), but can alleviate traffic on arterials. By having a well-connected network of roads - and not a mess of cul-de-sacs, looping subdivisions with no through routes, and high-speed arterials dividing everything - you can benefit both local and commuter traffic.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 07, 2018, 09:40:50 PM
It's a mixed bag. I am a huge fan of complete streets (https://www.citylab.com/topics/complete-streets/), which can not only make a lot of roadways safer for all users - motorists, pedestrians, and cyclists (for example), but can alleviate traffic on arterials. By having a well-connected network of roads - and not a mess of cul-de-sacs, looping subdivisions with no through routes, and high-speed arterials dividing everything - you can benefit both local and commuter traffic.
Wow that sounds nice. A well connected road system. I wonder if Nimbys would allow that.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 07, 2018, 10:02:55 PM
It's a mixed bag. I am a huge fan of complete streets (https://www.citylab.com/topics/complete-streets/), which can not only make a lot of roadways safer for all users - motorists, pedestrians, and cyclists (for example), but can alleviate traffic on arterials. By having a well-connected network of roads - and not a mess of cul-de-sacs, looping subdivisions with no through routes, and high-speed arterials dividing everything - you can benefit both local and commuter traffic.
Wow that sounds nice. A well connected road system. I wonder if Nimbys would allow that.


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Delaware has a well connected road system. It also has a lot of traffic. Another short bypass or two isn't going to suddenly make the state congestion free.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 07, 2018, 10:10:10 PM
It's a mixed bag. I am a huge fan of complete streets (https://www.citylab.com/topics/complete-streets/), which can not only make a lot of roadways safer for all users - motorists, pedestrians, and cyclists (for example), but can alleviate traffic on arterials. By having a well-connected network of roads - and not a mess of cul-de-sacs, looping subdivisions with no through routes, and high-speed arterials dividing everything - you can benefit both local and commuter traffic.
Wow that sounds nice. A well connected road system. I wonder if Nimbys would allow that.


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Delaware has a well connected road system. It also has a lot of traffic. Another short bypass or two isn't going to suddenly make the state congestion free.
Cmon jeff thats like saying a beltway wouldn’t help philly, Delaware needs a connecting highway aka Beltway. Too many people are going in circles to main points such as Wilmington-Newark-Kirkwood-New castle & Bear.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: seicer on November 08, 2018, 07:01:29 AM
I think that we should take some of this to the Fictional Highways board (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?board=20.0). I'm having a hard time keeping up with this.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on November 08, 2018, 07:56:28 AM
Delaware has a well connected road system. It also has a lot of traffic. Another short bypass or two isn't going to suddenly make the state congestion free.
Cmon jeff thats like saying a beltway wouldn’t help philly, Delaware needs a connecting highway aka Beltway. Too many people are going in circles to main points such as Wilmington-Newark-Kirkwood-New castle & Bear.
Philadelphia has a metro area of 6 million, Delaware doesn't even have a population of 1 million (and New Castle County is 560,000).  Hartford has a metro area of 1.2 million, with similar characteristics to Wilmington, and it doesn't have a beltway and, outside of rush hour, it's tolerable.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on November 08, 2018, 11:53:25 AM
Cmon jeff thats like saying a beltway wouldn’t help philly

...saying a college town of 30,000+ people doesn't need a beltway is absolutely nothing like saying a metropolitan area of several million people doesn't need a beltway.

Too many people are going in circles to main points such as Wilmington-Newark-Kirkwood-New castle & Bear.

And how do you suppose this exactly?
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 08, 2018, 12:04:48 PM
Cmon jeff thats like saying a beltway wouldn’t help philly

...saying a college town of 30,000+ people doesn't need a beltway is absolutely nothing like saying a metropolitan area of several million people doesn't need a beltway.

Too many people are going in circles to main points such as Wilmington-Newark-Kirkwood-New castle & Bear.

And how do you suppose this exactly?
The fact that I drive thru all these areas everyday. Tells me alot about how the traffic is flowing. Do you know how many people are just driving thru harmony road or red mill just to get to 273 then 95 or vice versa to kirkwood? They arent even making any stops but have to drive  thru the area because there is no limited access freeway in the area. The best bet for deldot in the future is to upgrade 273 to limited access status. But maybe they already have that idea in mind. Sure Newark is small. But If you look at the statistics from the beltway project from the 60s/70’s, that I posted on here. Traffic was bad at that point as-well. You mean to tell me its lightened up? Then UD is building more campus, with a new train station coming along as well. Whats gonna happen to the 4 & elkton road? Are they gonna add another lane on both roads? Are they gonna grade separate the already bad 896/4 ?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: seicer on November 08, 2018, 12:14:10 PM
They don't. Not every road needs to be a freeway. Or 55 MPH. If your life choices dictate you living far from your destinations, from work, from school - then perhaps you should live closer. Delaware has far more pressing matters with the limited funds it has.
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 08, 2018, 12:18:35 PM
They don't. Not every road needs to be a freeway. Or 55 MPH. If your life choices dictate you living far from your destinations, from work, from school - then perhaps you should live closer. Delaware has far more pressing matters with the limited funds it has.
I cannot believe you would say that to me. LIVE CLOSER? I already do. Im just pointing out the fact of thru traffic & local traffic. & hold on. Isnt Middletown building a brand new highway & that towns population isnt half of what New Castle is, they are building it for thru traffic to get of the streets right?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on November 08, 2018, 12:38:46 PM
They don't. Not every road needs to be a freeway. Or 55 MPH. If your life choices dictate you living far from your destinations, from work, from school - then perhaps you should live closer. Delaware has far more pressing matters with the limited funds it has.
I cannot believe you would say that to me. LIVE CLOSER? I already do. Im just pointing out the fact of thru traffic & local traffic. & hold on. Isnt Middletown building a brand new highway & that towns population isnt half of what New Castle is, they are building it for thru traffic to get of the streets right?

CHILL. OUT. No one has been able to figure out what you've been rambling on about for the last 3 pages. Take a step back and, my suggestion, take a break for 2 days and come back.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on November 08, 2018, 12:41:57 PM
The fact that I drive thru all these areas everyday. Tells me alot about how the traffic is flowing. Do you know how many people are just driving thru harmony road or red mill just to get to 273 then 95 or vice versa to kirkwood? They arent even making any stops but have to drive  thru the area because there is no limited access freeway in the area. The best bet for deldot in the future is to upgrade 273 to limited access status. But maybe they already have that idea in mind. Sure Newark is small. But If you look at the statistics from the beltway project from the 60s/70’s, that I posted on here. Traffic was bad at that point as-well. You mean to tell me its lightened up? Then UD is building more campus, with a new train station coming along as well. Whats gonna happen to the 4 & elkton road? Are they gonna add another lane on both roads? Are they gonna grade separate the already bad 896/4 ?
I've driven through the 896/4 intersection in rush hour (7am and 5:30pm).  I never thought driving through that intersection was that bad.  If anything, DE-72 southbound in the evening rush hour looks painful, but outside of rush hour it's totally fine.  It may seem like a good idea to add more lanes/more roads/etc. but typically that brings about even more sprawl.  That's what happened to Dover in the 1950s when they built the Dover bypass (US-13 at the time) and in Central Connecticut with the Berlin Turnpike (US-5/CT-15), necessitating another major highway to take their place (DE-1 and I-91, respectively).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on November 08, 2018, 01:31:10 PM
The fact that I drive thru all these areas everyday. Tells me alot about how the traffic is flowing. Do you know how many people are just driving thru harmony road or red mill just to get to 273 then 95 or vice versa to kirkwood? They arent even making any stops but have to drive  thru the area because there is no limited access freeway in the area.

Limited access highways are not silver bullets for every congestion problem ever, nor are they suitable solutions for a couple of rush-hour-congested local roadways. You're complaining about traffic using these roads to get to 273, but this is exactly how local roads are supposed to work. Sure, some added capacity at key intersections could be (and already is) on the order for hot spots but slamming a freeway bypass through every local roadway FritzOwl style is not a good, realistic, or long-term solution.

I lived in the Red Mill / Kirkwood / Harmony area you're complaining about for 16 years, slamming a freeway through here is as overkill as overkill gets.

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Are they gonna grade separate the already bad 896/4 ?

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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: seicer on November 08, 2018, 02:26:34 PM
US 13's four-lane widening south towards Dover helped drive a lot of the Philly/Wilmington unmitigated sprawl south decades ago. Because there were no planning agencies in place then, residential developments were haphazard and unconcentrated - and along major arterials. The consequence of this was the deterioration of US 13's level of service, especially as Ocean City, MD developed as a larger tourist destination.

DE 1 helped bypass much of this to Dover but just furthered sprawl much further down the state. What was a mostly rural state with an urban core around Wilmington is now sprawled out down to Dover and along the ocean. I can't help but find that sad in comparison and wished that they had developed the growth boundaries that Maryland has to preserve its rural areas.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on November 08, 2018, 02:50:11 PM
DE 1 helped bypass much of this to Dover but just furthered sprawl much further down the state. What was a mostly rural state with an urban core around Wilmington is now sprawled out down to Dover and along the ocean. I can't help but find that sad in comparison and wished that they had developed the growth boundaries that Maryland has to preserve its rural areas.
I was wondering why the Eastern Shore of Maryland seems so much less sprawling than Delaware.  I thought it was just because getting down there from Philadelphia was so much more difficult (US-301) than the Delaware part (DE-1) of Delmarva.  I remember seeing on Wikipedia that the population of Kent County MD is 18% of that of Kent County DE! (even though they're right next to each other)  And it seems like there's new construction everywhere around Dover and Camden...and south.  It's difficult since I do generally like that things here are less congested.

I think part of the issue is that Delaware is very focused on its tax friendly reputation and wants to stretch that as far as possible, but not living in Delaware for terribly long, I can't say that for sure...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on November 08, 2018, 03:46:30 PM
Philadelphia has a metro area of 6 million, Delaware doesn't even have a population of 1 million (and New Castle County is 560,000).  Hartford has a metro area of 1.2 million, with similar characteristics to Wilmington, and it doesn't have a beltway and, outside of rush hour, it's tolerable.

I've always thought that Delaware did very, very well to get an Interstate bypass (I-495) of Wilmington, and that was allocated all the way back in the 1955 "Yellow Book".  If that had been denied (and the planners back then easily could have) then presumably DelDOT would have built I-95 thru Wilmington with 6 lanes and left it at that, as an 8-lane widening looks difficult or impossible in the downtown section.  Instead with the opening of I-495 in 1977, there is a 10-lane corridor with one urban Interstate and one bypass Interstate, between the Delaware Turnpike and the PA border.  I-495 also provides direct access to the Port of Wilmington, something that I-95 does not.

I-295 also bypasses Wilmington, but that highway had already been built in 1951 to connect US-13 across the river to the NJ Turnpike.  But still the planners allocated both Interstate highways, one a bypass of SE PA (separate from the NJ Turnpike) and one a bypass of Wilmington only, in addition to I-95 thru the downtown.  Pretty generous provision of highways, IMHO.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on November 08, 2018, 04:10:42 PM
Philadelphia has a metro area of 6 million, Delaware doesn't even have a population of 1 million (and New Castle County is 560,000).  Hartford has a metro area of 1.2 million, with similar characteristics to Wilmington, and it doesn't have a beltway and, outside of rush hour, it's tolerable.

I've always thought that Delaware did very, very well to get an Interstate bypass (I-495) of Wilmington, and that was allocated all the way back in the 1955 "Yellow Book".  If that had been denied (and the planners back then easily could have) then presumably DelDOT would have built I-95 thru Wilmington with 6 lanes and left it at that, as an 8-lane widening looks difficult or impossible in the downtown section.  Instead with the opening of I-495 in 1977, there is a 10-lane corridor with one urban Interstate and one bypass Interstate, between the Delaware Turnpike and the PA border.  I-495 also provides direct access to the Port of Wilmington, something that I-95 does not.

I-295 also bypasses Wilmington, but that highway had already been built in 1951 to connect US-13 across the river to the NJ Turnpike.  But still the planners allocated both Interstate highways, one a bypass of SE PA (separate from the NJ Turnpike) and one a bypass of Wilmington only, in addition to I-95 thru the downtown.  Pretty generous provision of highways, IMHO.
Thanks for mentioning it that way, Beltway.  I hadn't really thought of 495, since my mind was more centered on the whole concept of "beltways," and not bypasses in general.  Not only does 495 provide an alternate route around Wilmington, it serves as a good alternate route into the city (at least downtown) via US-13.

I don't really think of I-295 as much of a Wilmington bypass, but that's largely because 495 is literally called the "Wilmington Bypass."  But it makes sense for much longer distance traffic.  Also, I-295 doesn't provide as good of direct access to Wilmington as 495 (not that it's necessary), though I guess DE-9 would be the best option for that.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on November 08, 2018, 04:22:26 PM
But think of how much more congested that northern Delaware would be if I-295 didn't exist.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: seicer on November 08, 2018, 04:25:53 PM
Or Chester and Philadelphia. If someone (can't remember who?) was complaining of the six-lanes through the gulch of Chester now, dumping I-295/NJ Turnpike traffic onto it would have been a nightmare.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 08, 2018, 05:53:48 PM
I guess Tony wasn't around for the good ol' days when 273 had the gap in it between 4 and Ogletown Road, forcing traffic thru the 10' clearance Avon Underpass which flooded every time it drizzled.  The resulting roadway is a curvy, poor sightlined road, with gems such as this Jersey-style jughandle ( https://goo.gl/maps/ZWFD2wrhcuy ) that serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever.  And it brought about a fair amount of the congestion points on 273 that is being complained about (especially around Harmony Road), showing that simply building a roadway or bypass doesn't completely relieve congestion, and can bring about new congestion points.

Compared to its neighboring states, I've always thought that Delaware has done a good job of building roads and widening them as necessary. Unfortunately no matter how much planning and right of way you have , eventually you make it to a point where there is just no more available unless you start buying up a lot of frontage and property. If you want to see a state that didn't build roadways, cross into New Jersey. We had a long list of roads and highways that were never built.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 08, 2018, 05:59:21 PM
I guess Tony wasn't around for the good ol' days when 273 had the gap in it between 4 and Ogletown Road, forcing traffic thru the 10' clearance Avon Underpass which flooded every time it drizzled.  The resulting roadway is a curvy, poor sightlined road, with gems such as this Jersey-style jughandle ( https://goo.gl/maps/ZWFD2wrhcuy ) that serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever.  And it brought about a fair amount of the congestion points on 273 that is being complained about (especially around Harmony Road), showing that simply building a roadway or bypass doesn't completely relieve congestion, and can bring about new congestion points.
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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on November 08, 2018, 06:11:04 PM
But think of how much more congested that northern Delaware would be if I-295 didn't exist.
Yes, you are right.  I should have been more clear, but that's what I meant by my "longer distance" comment.  I tend to come from Pennsylvania more which is why I didn't really think of 295 much.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on November 08, 2018, 06:29:03 PM
But think of how much more congested that northern Delaware would be if I-295 didn't exist.
Yes, you are right.  I should have been more clear, but that's what I meant by my "longer distance" comment.  I tend to come from Pennsylvania more which is why I didn't really think of 295 much.

It was a general comment, not directed at you.  Just part of my comments about the sufficiency or insufficiency of the highway system in northern Delaware.

Delaware and New Jersey had excellent foresight to partner to build the bridge, something that the NJ Turnpike could connect to, to bypass Trenton, Philadelphia and Wilmington, and the bridge (later paralleled to 8 lanes) could connect to another freeway (I-295) which would also bypass the area.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: briantroutman on November 08, 2018, 10:58:04 PM
I just returned home from a short drive into Maryland, and I must say that DelDOT did a remarkably poor job handling a planned lane closure on I-95 at DE 141/US 202 (which coincidently is at a crucial point in the I-95/I-495/I-295 sequence of splits).

All four lanes carrying through I-95/I-495 traffic were closed–apparently to accommodate work underneath the DE 141/US 202 overpass. So all I-95/I-495 traffic was forced to merge into the two lanes marked for I-295, and vehicles came to a crawl back to the Christiana Mall and beyond. But I’m not complaining about the backup; that’s perhaps unavoidable if the lane closure was necessary.

What I found troublesome was the lack of any temporary guide signage whatsoever. The only signage I saw merely warned of the impending lane closure. As I passed the point where the I-95 and I-295 carriageways begin to separate, I began to worry that there was no path back to I-95 and that I’d have to make a quick exit onto US 13 and detour through Wilmington to avoid an unscheduled (and unwanted) trip to New Jersey. But again, no detour signs were posted.

Then as I was looking up ahead at the US 13 signage preparing to detour, I noticed a car, two vehicles in front of me, shoot through a gap in the construction barrels, across an emergency turnaround, and back into the I-95 carriageway. Looking further, I could see a few more vehicles further ahead on I-95, and way off in the distance, I could make out an “END CONSTRUCTION”  sign. So I quickly concluded that these weren’t lawbreakers–just a ridiculously poorly signed work area–and I shot through the gap.

I’d really be interested to hear whoever at DelDOT was responsible for the handling at traffic controls through this work area attempt to offer a defense.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on November 09, 2018, 12:07:51 AM
I have designed maintenance of traffic layouts for Interstate highway projects, back in the days when I worked in traffic engineering.  One of the 6-lane widening projects on I-95 in Hanover County VA. 

It takes a lot of engineering thought and planning to do something like that in the Delaware project where several miles of transitions and lane closures need to be designed and detailed on plan sheets.

Then the resident engineer and the contractor needs to follow the plans and set it up exactly right on the ground.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on November 09, 2018, 12:41:45 AM
I have designed maintenance of traffic layouts for Interstate highway projects, back in the days when I worked in traffic engineering.  One of the 6-lane widening projects on I-95 in Hanover County VA. 

It takes a lot of engineering thought and planning to do something like that in the Delaware project where several miles of transitions and lane closures need to be designed and detailed on plan sheets.

Then the resident engineer and the contractor needs to follow the plans and set it up exactly right on the ground.
Typically it's the contractor trying to shortcut things... or else formal plans were never developed... which I find hard to believe but you see so many things out there...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 09, 2018, 06:00:43 AM
I just returned home from a short drive into Maryland, and I must say that DelDOT did a remarkably poor job handling a planned lane closure on I-95 at DE 141/US 202 (which coincidently is at a crucial point in the I-95/I-495/I-295 sequence of splits).

All four lanes carrying through I-95/I-495 traffic were closed–apparently to accommodate work underneath the DE 141/US 202 overpass. So all I-95/I-495 traffic was forced to merge into the two lanes marked for I-295, and vehicles came to a crawl back to the Christiana Mall and beyond. But I’m not complaining about the backup; that’s perhaps unavoidable if the lane closure was necessary.

What I found troublesome was the lack of any temporary guide signage whatsoever. The only signage I saw merely warned of the impending lane closure. As I passed the point where the I-95 and I-295 carriageways begin to separate, I began to worry that there was no path back to I-95 and that I’d have to make a quick exit onto US 13 and detour through Wilmington to avoid an unscheduled (and unwanted) trip to New Jersey. But again, no detour signs were posted.

Then as I was looking up ahead at the US 13 signage preparing to detour, I noticed a car, two vehicles in front of me, shoot through a gap in the construction barrels, across an emergency turnaround, and back into the I-95 carriageway. Looking further, I could see a few more vehicles further ahead on I-95, and way off in the distance, I could make out an “END CONSTRUCTION”  sign. So I quickly concluded that these weren’t lawbreakers–just a ridiculously poorly signed work area–and I shot through the gap.

I’d really be interested to hear whoever at DelDOT was responsible for the handling at traffic controls through this work area attempt to offer a defense.

Ah, that elusive gap in the median!  Brian is referring to this: https://goo.gl/maps/ifN7kGp3gF32 (GSV: https://goo.gl/maps/ZhRLfTP4wsn ) which was built specifically for this construction project.  However, it lacks any striping and is usually just blocked by some barrels, as shown in the GSV link.  I've never seen it used myself, probably because I haven't been on 95 late at night.

The closure he describes is somewhat hard to sign.  They need to convey what's going on, with as few words as possible.  You also have to account for the stupidity factor and the GPS factor - both want to keep left, even though the left lanes are closed. 

Probably the best thing that could've been done is by utilizing the variable message sign on 95 north of Rt. 1, stating "I-95/495, Follow Detour".  Delaware has a very poor history though of using those signs in any meaningful way other than with cute messages or vague messages ("Slow Traffic Ahead"). 

Just off the top of my head, DelDOT could've done this:  After Rt. 1, the most important thing is to taper down the 5 thru lanes to the two right lanes.  Then, after the 95/295 split (ie, the point of no return), have signage that states "95/495, Keep Left", then 95/495, and the squiggley left sign, such as a W1-4 sign.  I specifically mention the point of no return ( here: https://goo.gl/maps/kugqfuDUKfk ), so that you don't have people cutting thru the barrels if they see a premature 'Keep Left' sign)

It's a bit tricky to do, and not a lot of room to do it.  I think they sometimes overly rely on the thought of most people are probably going to be locals and just know what to do, or motorists will see what's happening and just make the transition.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on November 09, 2018, 07:26:20 PM
I just returned home from a short drive into Maryland, and I must say that DelDOT did a remarkably poor job handling a planned lane closure on I-95 at DE 141/US 202 (which coincidently is at a crucial point in the I-95/I-495/I-295 sequence of splits).

All four lanes carrying through I-95/I-495 traffic were closed–apparently to accommodate work underneath the DE 141/US 202 overpass. So all I-95/I-495 traffic was forced to merge into the two lanes marked for I-295, and vehicles came to a crawl back to the Christiana Mall and beyond. But I’m not complaining about the backup; that’s perhaps unavoidable if the lane closure was necessary.

What I found troublesome was the lack of any temporary guide signage whatsoever. The only signage I saw merely warned of the impending lane closure. As I passed the point where the I-95 and I-295 carriageways begin to separate, I began to worry that there was no path back to I-95 and that I’d have to make a quick exit onto US 13 and detour through Wilmington to avoid an unscheduled (and unwanted) trip to New Jersey. But again, no detour signs were posted.

Then as I was looking up ahead at the US 13 signage preparing to detour, I noticed a car, two vehicles in front of me, shoot through a gap in the construction barrels, across an emergency turnaround, and back into the I-95 carriageway. Looking further, I could see a few more vehicles further ahead on I-95, and way off in the distance, I could make out an “END CONSTRUCTION”  sign. So I quickly concluded that these weren’t lawbreakers–just a ridiculously poorly signed work area–and I shot through the gap.

I’d really be interested to hear whoever at DelDOT was responsible for the handling at traffic controls through this work area attempt to offer a defense.

They were setting that up as I drove through last night.  I saw a "Detour Ahead" sign down on the ground and thought it might have been for that.  However, you're right that I didn't see any signs on the 295 side indicating the crossover for 95/495.  The press releases indicate when the crossover is being used but I was surprised even the VMS by the mall didn't mention anything about the work (just an anti-texting message).
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 10, 2018, 12:57:06 PM
Newport Exit is now open again on I-95 NB. I wonder will they remove the double Newport exit that is connected to the New Castle/Basin Road exit? If they removed that middle connecting road & traffic light, there would be no backups on 141. Did they build that exit, because 295 NB backs up? & What causes the slowdown on 295 NB if construction is completed? 


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Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 10, 2018, 01:00:46 PM
Or Chester and Philadelphia. If someone (can't remember who?) was complaining of the six-lanes through the gulch of Chester now, dumping I-295/NJ Turnpike traffic onto it would have been a nightmare.
I believe that was, I who said that. I would hope to think that Chester would have been 10 lanes, If 295 was not built.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 10, 2018, 01:45:16 PM
What causes the slowdown is way too much traffic squeezing into 2 lanes, the ramp from 141 that has no merge area, a left US 13 North exit, and an unnecessary 50 mph speed limit. 

It's considerably better than back when traffic from the 95/495 South ramp on the left could cross the 2, 295 North lanes to take the 13 South/40 West ramp.

If 295 North was widened to 3 lanes here, it would greatly reduce the congestion. When the US 13S/40W ramp was modified, they added enough room for a 3rd 295 North lane. When they rebuilt the 141 overpasses, they were constructed to allow a future 3rd 295 North lane.  So a few of the obstacles have been eliminated.

Now, to answer your next question...when will a 3rd lane be built? I don't know of any plans right now. Both DelDOT and the DRBA will have areas of jurisdiction for such a project.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 10, 2018, 02:22:13 PM
What causes the slowdown is way too much traffic squeezing into 2 lanes, the ramp from 141 that has no merge area, a left US 13 North exit, and an unnecessary 50 mph speed limit. 

It's considerably better than back when traffic from the 95/495 South ramp on the left could cross the 2, 295 North lanes to take the 13 South/40 West ramp.

If 295 North was widened to 3 lanes here, it would greatly reduce the congestion. When the US 13S/40W ramp was modified, they added enough room for a 3rd 295 North lane. When they rebuilt the 141 overpasses, they were constructed to allow a future 3rd 295 North lane.  So a few of the obstacles have been eliminated.

Now, to answer your next question...when will a 3rd lane be built? I don't know of any plans right now. Both DelDOT and the DRBA will have areas of jurisdiction for such a project.
So a 3rd lane from the The 141 New Castle Exit,
Up to 295 could easily solve the whole issue with 95’s right 2 lanes always being slowed down, from the Christiana mall flyover ramps too 295.

That would be more cost efficient. Then building another lane from the mall too 295. After all construction wraps up by the end of the year, that area will hopefully see improved traffic conditions.

Maybe they will raise 295’s speed-limit after all the construction aswell, the area is wider & updated. If 141 is pushing that much traffic onto 295 it should definitely be thought of a little better, driving on it the other day. The C/D lane ends abruptly as it did before.

And the barrier is new on 295? People used to crossover right where the curve is about to begin I could imagine.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on November 10, 2018, 04:09:08 PM
Now, to answer your next question...when will a 3rd lane be built? I don't know of any plans right now. Both DelDOT and the DRBA will have areas of jurisdiction for such a project.

DelDOT appears to have a project for NB I-295 in the pipeline, the current schedule doesn't have preliminary engineering starting until FY23 though.

(https://image.prntscr.com/image/SGEbWHtWQEqEMy4iXTZJFg.png)

Too early to tell what the goals are, one can only hope it entails capacity expansion.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: davewiecking on November 10, 2018, 08:45:51 PM
^^(Love the way I-295 is either northbound or westbound.)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 11, 2018, 09:35:00 AM
^^(Love the way I-295 is either northbound or westbound.)

Westbound/Eastbound is definitely more appropriate for Delaware's portion of 295!

A little more sluthing on DelDOT's website brought me to this: https://deldot.gov/Publications/reports/CTP/pdfs/ProposedFY20-FY25CTPProjectImplementation.pdf .  Page 5 of 6 of the pdf shows 295 North PE (Preliminiary Engineering) work budgeted for FY23 & FY24; ROW (Right of Way) purchasing in FY25.  The ROW definitely hints at a roadway widening.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on November 14, 2018, 12:14:31 PM
As of today, the 141 reconstruction project west of Wilmington will be (mostly) done.

https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=7400
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 20, 2018, 12:33:06 AM
They have removed the Zipper Construction Barriers on I-95 NB @ the 141 exits. I assumed repaving started tonight. 


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 21, 2018, 06:59:42 PM
Delaware 95 NB is backed up all the way to the Service center.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on November 21, 2018, 08:43:10 PM
Delaware 95 NB is backed up all the way to the Service center.
It's the day before Thanksgiving, I'm not surprised at all.  I remember a few years ago it took me 30 minutes to get from the middle of the Delaware Memorial Bridge to I-295/DE-9 on the Saturday after Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 21, 2018, 08:44:14 PM
Delaware 95 NB is backed up all the way to the Service center.
It's the day before Thanksgiving, I'm not surprised at all.  I remember a few years ago it took me 30 minutes to get from the middle of the Delaware Memorial Bridge to I-295/DE-9 on the Saturday after Thanksgiving.
295 just needs fly over ramps. Push that traffic to 295 like they did De 1.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 28, 2018, 06:47:29 AM
 https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2018/11/28/claymont-christmas-weed-its-weird-wacky-and-25/1976019002/ (https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2018/11/28/claymont-christmas-weed-its-weird-wacky-and-25/1976019002/)
Umm anyone remember seeing this in 93?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on November 30, 2018, 05:24:19 PM
It appears an alternative has been chosen by DelDOT for the I-95 / DE 896 interchange improvements:

Project Website (https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/i95/i95_sr896/index.shtml)

Selected Alternative (https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/i95/i95_sr896/pdfs/publicWorkshops/I95-896-Newsletter-Fall-2018.pdf)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 30, 2018, 05:55:17 PM
It appears an alternative has been chosen by DelDOT for the I-95 / DE 896 interchange improvements:

Project Website (https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/i95/i95_sr896/index.shtml)

Selected Alternative (https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/i95/i95_sr896/pdfs/publicWorkshops/I95-896-Newsletter-Fall-2018.pdf)
Thats the best choice, it will eliminate many problems with that area.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 30, 2018, 07:29:16 PM
It appears an alternative has been chosen by DelDOT for the I-95 / DE 896 interchange improvements:

Project Website (https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/i95/i95_sr896/index.shtml)

Selected Alternative (https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/i95/i95_sr896/pdfs/publicWorkshops/I95-896-Newsletter-Fall-2018.pdf)
Thats the best choice, it will eliminate many problems with that area.


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I agree with the Ramp C (95 South to 896 South). 

However, look at 896 South thru the interchange area.  It's actually reduced to one lane, seemingly for no reason as there's still room for 2 lanes.  Coming from Newark, the right lane becomes an exit only lane for 95 South; a ramp not often used because you immediately hit the $4 toll plaza.  The ramp from 896 South to 95 North also seems to be greatly exaggerated...when the current ramp from 95 South to 896 South is removed, they won't have the weaving movement that currently exists.  The new 95 North to 896 Ramp seems to ride the current path of that ramp, but it really doesn't need to change from its current position.  The new 95 South to 896 South ramp can use a retaining wall to reduce the footprint (ie: the 95 North to 1/7 North Ramp at Interchange 4).

896 North is also reduced to 1 lane momentarily where the ramp departs for 95 North. 

Overall, the flyover ramp from 95 South to 896 South is by far the best and most needed part of this interchange.  However, what they're doing to thru traffic on 896 is numbing, and will cause congestion and last-second merging issues.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 30, 2018, 07:59:07 PM
It appears an alternative has been chosen by DelDOT for the I-95 / DE 896 interchange improvements:

Project Website (https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/i95/i95_sr896/index.shtml)

Selected Alternative (https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/i95/i95_sr896/pdfs/publicWorkshops/I95-896-Newsletter-Fall-2018.pdf)
Thats the best choice, it will eliminate many problems with that area.


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I agree with the Ramp C (95 South to 896 South). 

However, look at 896 South thru the interchange area.  It's actually reduced to one lane, seemingly for no reason as there's still room for 2 lanes.  Coming from Newark, the right lane becomes an exit only lane for 95 South; a ramp not often used because you immediately hit the $4 toll plaza.  The ramp from 896 South to 95 North also seems to be greatly exaggerated...when the current ramp from 95 South to 896 South is removed, they won't have the weaving movement that currently exists.  The new 95 North to 896 Ramp seems to ride the current path of that ramp, but it really doesn't need to change from its current position.  The new 95 South to 896 South ramp can use a retaining wall to reduce the footprint (ie: the 95 North to 1/7 North Ramp at Interchange 4).

896 North is also reduced to 1 lane momentarily where the ramp departs for 95 North. 

Overall, the flyover ramp from 95 South to 896 South is by far the best and most needed part of this interchange.  However, what they're doing to thru traffic on 896 is numbing, and will cause congestion and last-second merging issues.
I think they did that jeff, because from experience of driving thru the area, more traffic  comes off the ramps & that causes more slowdown then thru traffic. When they redid the 13/141 bridge, they cut off the To 141 two lanes & turned into 1 lane, while giving merging 13 southbound to 141 on ramp a lane, this greatly reduced accidents/merging areas & backups on both 141 & 13, even though its one lane, it seems one lane of traffic moves faster then two lanes & a merging ramp. So it might help the area more, but I do see what you’re saying, 2 lanes is really needed in that area.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: briantroutman on November 30, 2018, 08:34:29 PM
Sorry to break in on the DE 896 interchange conversation, but I have a question regarding the service area...

I was at the I-95 service area a few days ago (now renamed the “Biden Welcome Center” ) and noticed that the old Delaware Turnpike toll booth sitting outside the building has been removed. Anyone know when it was removed, why, or where it went?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadsguy on November 30, 2018, 08:41:27 PM
Is it just me, or has DelDOT never truly given up on the original US 301 expressway plan and has instead decided to take the DE 1 approach for 896, slowly upgrading it one intersection at a time?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 30, 2018, 08:48:59 PM
Is it just me, or has DelDOT never truly given up on the original US 301 expressway plan and has instead decided to take the DE 1 approach for 896, slowly upgrading it one intersection at a time?
Wow roadsguy, I never thought of it like that, maybe in the end 896 will be a full highway & De-1 will be completed by turning De-7 into De-1.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 01, 2018, 01:00:49 PM
It appears an alternative has been chosen by DelDOT for the I-95 / DE 896 interchange improvements:

Project Website (https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/i95/i95_sr896/index.shtml)

Selected Alternative (https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/i95/i95_sr896/pdfs/publicWorkshops/I95-896-Newsletter-Fall-2018.pdf)
Thats the best choice, it will eliminate many problems with that area.


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I agree with the Ramp C (95 South to 896 South). 

However, look at 896 South thru the interchange area.  It's actually reduced to one lane, seemingly for no reason as there's still room for 2 lanes.  Coming from Newark, the right lane becomes an exit only lane for 95 South; a ramp not often used because you immediately hit the $4 toll plaza.  The ramp from 896 South to 95 North also seems to be greatly exaggerated...when the current ramp from 95 South to 896 South is removed, they won't have the weaving movement that currently exists.  The new 95 North to 896 Ramp seems to ride the current path of that ramp, but it really doesn't need to change from its current position.  The new 95 South to 896 South ramp can use a retaining wall to reduce the footprint (ie: the 95 North to 1/7 North Ramp at Interchange 4).

896 North is also reduced to 1 lane momentarily where the ramp departs for 95 North. 

Overall, the flyover ramp from 95 South to 896 South is by far the best and most needed part of this interchange.  However, what they're doing to thru traffic on 896 is numbing, and will cause congestion and last-second merging issues.

From my experience, the ramps siphon a significant amount of traffic off of 896 at any time of day, they're almost certainly busier than the mainline 896 lanes. Giving the ramps off of I-95 SB priority is definitely going to work out better. As for the lightly traveled 896 SB to I-95 SB ramp, that lane's primary function is going to be to serve the ramp that heads to I-95 NB instead just upstream, not the I-95 SB exit. They effectively did a dry run of this layout when they rehabilitated the 896 bridges a couple years and knocked it down to one thru lane in each direction, aside from the horrendous SB weave thru traffic flowed just fine.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on December 15, 2018, 02:02:15 PM
Someone hit the BGS On 1-95 SB at this https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6933964,-75.6267418,3a,75y,243.37h,96.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7-cvE_G8TJ1jMR7f5lS-ow!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6933964,-75.6267418,3a,75y,243.37h,96.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7-cvE_G8TJ1jMR7f5lS-ow!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) Location, in the 4th lane, I wonder what happened, because the one right before the DE-1 Flyover-ramps are not affected.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on December 15, 2018, 08:33:39 PM
Someone hit the BGS On 1-95 SB at this https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6933964,-75.6267418,3a,75y,243.37h,96.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7-cvE_G8TJ1jMR7f5lS-ow!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6933964,-75.6267418,3a,75y,243.37h,96.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7-cvE_G8TJ1jMR7f5lS-ow!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) Location, in the 4th lane, I wonder what happened, because the one right before the DE-1 Flyover-ramps are not affected.
You can report damages to DelDOT using this form: https://www.deldot.gov/Traffic/ReportRoadCondition/index.shtml
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on January 13, 2019, 11:01:16 PM
Interesting story, on what happened to the original Saint gorges bridge, (Link inside of story about current bridge construction)

 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.delawareonline.com/amp/2541667002 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.delawareonline.com/amp/2541667002)


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 14, 2019, 06:13:29 AM
Interesting story, on what happened to the original Saint gorges bridge, (Link inside of story about current bridge construction)

 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.delawareonline.com/amp/2541667002 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.delawareonline.com/amp/2541667002)


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Delawarians are very fortunate that bridge is still open and Delaware is spending money on it.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on January 14, 2019, 09:52:30 AM
Interesting story, on what happened to the original Saint gorges bridge, (Link inside of story about current bridge construction)

 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.delawareonline.com/amp/2541667002 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.delawareonline.com/amp/2541667002)


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Delawarians are very fortunate that bridge is still open and Delaware is spending money on it.
I agree that could have easily tore that bridge down & created ANOTHER park.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: seicer on January 14, 2019, 10:20:55 AM
Eyeroll. But at 77 years old, the bridge will be facing a replacement or major rehabilitation option in 30 years, and with it carrying so little traffic, I don't see it being replaced. It's very expensive to build a bridge over the canal because of its height and span length, and if you are serving 11,300 vehicles per day (2016), could traffic simply be diverted to SR 1 or SR 9? At its current configuration, it carries one car lane and a protected bike lane in each direction.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on January 14, 2019, 10:29:23 AM
Eyeroll. But at 77 years old, the bridge will be facing a replacement or major rehabilitation option in 30 years, and with it carrying so little traffic, I don't see it being replaced. It's very expensive to build a bridge over the canal because of its height and span length, and if you are serving 11,300 vehicles per day (2016), could traffic simply be diverted to SR 1 or SR 9? At its current configuration, it carries one car lane and a protected bike lane in each direction.
Is the Sr9 Bridge the same age? How about the summit bridge? If they close the St.Georges bridge, that will cause traffic on the 1 to double, just like they said. They will have to restrip De-1 to 4 lanes all the way to the merge & then it will have to be 3 lanes all the way to 95.

Im pretty sure all the bridges in the area will have to get rehabbed in 30 years. The De-1 bridge probably has 100 years to go.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on January 14, 2019, 11:09:32 AM
Quote from: Tonytone
Is the Sr9 Bridge the same age? How about the summit bridge?

No.  Route 9 bridge was built in 1968, 26 years after the St. Georges Bridge.  Summit Bridge is also newer than St. Georges...built in 1960.

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If they close the St.Georges bridge, that will cause traffic on the 1 to double, just like they said.

First off, WHO said?

Second, traffic volume on the St. Georges Bridge is just over 11K.  Volume on the Route 1 bridge is around 90K.  Even if all of the St. Georges traffic shifted to the Route 1 bridge, that is not even close to a "doubling of traffic".
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on January 14, 2019, 11:14:03 AM
Quote from: Tonytone
Is the Sr9 Bridge the same age? How about the summit bridge?

No.  Route 9 bridge was built in 1968, 26 years after the St. Georges Bridge.  Summit Bridge is also newer than St. Georges...built in 1960.

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If they close the St.Georges bridge, that will cause traffic on the 1 to double, just like they said.

First off, WHO said?

Second, traffic volume on the St. Georges Bridge is just over 11K.  Volume on the Route 1 bridge is around 90K.  Even if all of the St. Georges traffic shifted to the Route 1 bridge, that is not even close to a "doubling of traffic".
Your right I exaggerated the number, but with the amount of new neighborhoods being built including the 3 NEW ONES around the bridge & the 301 opening. Traffic could definitely be doubled in maybe 5-10 years. & the timing of the other two bridges built is not that far off, seems like those bridges will have 25 years max before they will have to be rehabbed like the current St.Georges bridge is.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 14, 2019, 12:17:53 PM
Quote from: Tonytone
Is the Sr9 Bridge the same age? How about the summit bridge?

No.  Route 9 bridge was built in 1968, 26 years after the St. Georges Bridge.  Summit Bridge is also newer than St. Georges...built in 1960.

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If they close the St.Georges bridge, that will cause traffic on the 1 to double, just like they said.

First off, WHO said?

Second, traffic volume on the St. Georges Bridge is just over 11K.  Volume on the Route 1 bridge is around 90K.  Even if all of the St. Georges traffic shifted to the Route 1 bridge, that is not even close to a "doubling of traffic".
Your right I exaggerated the number, but with the amount of new neighborhoods being built including the 3 NEW ONES around the bridge & the 301 opening. Traffic could definitely be doubled in maybe 5-10 years. & the timing of the other two bridges built is not that far off, seems like those bridges will have 25 years max before they will have to be rehabbed like the current St.Georges bridge is.


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You're still exaggerating.

If volumes doubled, there would be a helluva lot more traffic issues than just adding a lane on the bridge.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on January 14, 2019, 01:53:29 PM
Quote from: Tonytone
Is the Sr9 Bridge the same age? How about the summit bridge?

No.  Route 9 bridge was built in 1968, 26 years after the St. Georges Bridge.  Summit Bridge is also newer than St. Georges...built in 1960.

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If they close the St.Georges bridge, that will cause traffic on the 1 to double, just like they said.

First off, WHO said?

Second, traffic volume on the St. Georges Bridge is just over 11K.  Volume on the Route 1 bridge is around 90K.  Even if all of the St. Georges traffic shifted to the Route 1 bridge, that is not even close to a "doubling of traffic".
Your right I exaggerated the number, but with the amount of new neighborhoods being built including the 3 NEW ONES around the bridge & the 301 opening. Traffic could definitely be doubled in maybe 5-10 years. & the timing of the other two bridges built is not that far off, seems like those bridges will have 25 years max before they will have to be rehabbed like the current St.Georges bridge is.


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You're still exaggerating.

If volumes doubled, there would be a helluva lot more traffic issues than just adding a lane on the bridge.
Ok yall are right, so I assume yall dont see the traffic doubling anytime soon, even with all the new construction. With all the traffic being pushed onto the 1 I assume traffic levels are going to go up in due time. What else would have to be added if traffic was doubled?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on January 14, 2019, 06:18:01 PM
Still, at 90K AADT, 8 lanes is a reasonable consideration. Add another 11K and it becomes an issue with peak period congestion. So they'll need to address this long-term unless they rebuild 13.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on January 14, 2019, 06:23:34 PM
Still, at 90K AADT, 8 lanes is a reasonable consideration. Add another 11K and it becomes an issue with peak period congestion. So they'll need to address this long-term unless they rebuild 13.
They are rebuilding the 1/13 merge soon (Idk how long till then) but I noticed De-1 around middletown & up to tybouts corner is pretty crazy in the morning and evening rush. De-1 needed 4 lanes 3 years ago. I wonder when they will be adding the extra lane all the way up to the NB Route 7.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: seicer on January 14, 2019, 10:49:32 PM
I keep hoping that the 301 connector to Summit Bridge will relieve some traffic from SR 1, but I'm not sure of that.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadsguy on January 14, 2019, 11:11:01 PM
I keep hoping that the 301 connector to Summit Bridge will relieve some traffic from SR 1, but I'm not sure of that.

Well, with the interchange upgrades planned on DE 896 at I-95 and US 40, the spur road may make it a real contender for a DE 1 relief route. (Something something turned tables...) It's a limited access surface expressway between the bridge and I-95 and could still easily be upgraded to a full freeway, especially south of US 40. They could make it a long-term strategy like DE 1 south of Dover, one interchange at a time.

On a related note, did we ever figure out what's up with the seemingly misaligned southbound lanes adjusting south of Glasgow? I remember it being brought up a while ago on this forum, but can't remember if we reached any conclusion.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on January 15, 2019, 12:49:47 AM
I keep hoping that the 301 connector to Summit Bridge will relieve some traffic from SR 1, but I'm not sure of that.

Well, with the interchange upgrades planned on DE 896 at I-95 and US 40, the spur road may make it a real contender for a DE 1 relief route. (Something something turned tables...) It's a limited access surface expressway between the bridge and I-95 and could still easily be upgraded to a full freeway, especially south of US 40. They could make it a long-term strategy like DE 1 south of Dover, one interchange at a time.

On a related note, did we ever figure out what's up with the seemingly misaligned southbound lanes adjusting south of Glasgow? I remember it being brought up a while ago on this forum, but can't remember if we reached any conclusion.

Surveying error, they just poured the concrete in the wrong place, im shocked that police dont sit there and wait for people to speed by, Im glad they dont tho.

and they have the interchange upgrades planned, but what are they gonna do with the Old cooches bridge road across from 4 seasons, the Glasgow high road and old baltimore pike road, thats either 3 more interchanges or they will be cutting those roads off and redirecting the traffic elsewhere.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadsguy on January 15, 2019, 01:04:34 AM
I keep hoping that the 301 connector to Summit Bridge will relieve some traffic from SR 1, but I'm not sure of that.

Well, with the interchange upgrades planned on DE 896 at I-95 and US 40, the spur road may make it a real contender for a DE 1 relief route. (Something something turned tables...) It's a limited access surface expressway between the bridge and I-95 and could still easily be upgraded to a full freeway, especially south of US 40. They could make it a long-term strategy like DE 1 south of Dover, one interchange at a time.

On a related note, did we ever figure out what's up with the seemingly misaligned southbound lanes adjusting south of Glasgow? I remember it being brought up a while ago on this forum, but can't remember if we reached any conclusion.

Surveying error, they just poured the concrete in the wrong place, im shocked that police dont sit there and wait for people to speed by, Im glad they dont tho.

and they have the interchange upgrades planned, but what are they gonna do with the Old cooches bridge road across from 4 seasons, the Glasgow high road and old baltimore pike road, thats either 3 more interchanges or they will be cutting those roads off and redirecting the traffic elsewhere.

I don't know and I'm sure they don't have immediate plans. I'm just saying it's comparatively easier to upgrade 896 than, say, US 13 between Tybouts Corner and I-295 or DE 141 between DE 2 and US 202.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on January 15, 2019, 01:14:21 AM
I keep hoping that the 301 connector to Summit Bridge will relieve some traffic from SR 1, but I'm not sure of that.

Well, with the interchange upgrades planned on DE 896 at I-95 and US 40, the spur road may make it a real contender for a DE 1 relief route. (Something something turned tables...) It's a limited access surface expressway between the bridge and I-95 and could still easily be upgraded to a full freeway, especially south of US 40. They could make it a long-term strategy like DE 1 south of Dover, one interchange at a time.

On a related note, did we ever figure out what's up with the seemingly misaligned southbound lanes adjusting south of Glasgow? I remember it being brought up a while ago on this forum, but can't remember if we reached any conclusion.

Surveying error, they just poured the concrete in the wrong place, im shocked that police dont sit there and wait for people to speed by, Im glad they dont tho.

and they have the interchange upgrades planned, but what are they gonna do with the Old cooches bridge road across from 4 seasons, the Glasgow high road and old baltimore pike road, thats either 3 more interchanges or they will be cutting those roads off and redirecting the traffic elsewhere.

I don't know and I'm sure they don't have immediate plans. I'm just saying it's comparatively easier to upgrade 896 than, say, US 13 between Tybouts Corner and I-295 or DE 141 between DE 2 and US 202.
Yes, I think we all know that will definitely be the final plan, Then after that they can turn Route 7 after the last 95 Exit into De-1 all the way to Hockessin :P
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on January 15, 2019, 02:23:16 PM
I keep hoping that the 301 connector to Summit Bridge will relieve some traffic from SR 1, but I'm not sure of that.
On a related note, did we ever figure out what's up with the seemingly misaligned southbound lanes adjusting south of Glasgow? I remember it being brought up a while ago on this forum, but can't remember if we reached any conclusion.

Last time we brought it up the ideas of a simple misalignment or it being remnants of aborted freeway plans were kicked around. Alex had posted a couple maps on page 20 for the "Pike Creek Expressway" proposal for US 301 that sort of lined up with the pavement misalignment, but no conclusion was ever reached.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/2010_ncco_comp_plan_800.jpg)

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/us-301_planners_cull_options_12-03-92.jpg)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on January 17, 2019, 12:35:49 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190117/0bd9f3c38ba261e1eec40ac76e440c7d.jpg)

So yeaa what could have caused this?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 17, 2019, 06:07:05 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190117/0bd9f3c38ba261e1eec40ac76e440c7d.jpg)

So yeaa what could have caused this?


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Doh!

If a truck was in an accident right where that sign was, something could've popped up that hit the sign.  Or a truck's PTO system may have been on and caused the body of the truck to rise, hitting the truck.


Those signs are at minimum 15 or 16 feet above the roadway, so it's not just an ordinary or even normal oversized truck that would've hit it, because they would've hit things before this sign as well.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on January 17, 2019, 09:04:57 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190117/0bd9f3c38ba261e1eec40ac76e440c7d.jpg)
Two questions:
1.  Will this sign be simply repaired or completely replaced?
2.  Will one of the two remedies/remediation take place at all? 
I ask question #2 due to this example along I-95 near Burlington, MA (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.472456,-71.2402137,3a,75y,68.28h,70.47t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szRrXdsjBX-rWyeOMNAeJaA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).  Such has been damaged since 2013-2014(?) and was still that way as of this past Christmas when I last drove through there.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 17, 2019, 09:19:03 AM
I though of another reason if this happened very recently: A plow truck had its body up for the salt and smacked it.  I thought of that because I've seen that happen in NJ several times.  This sign had been hit: https://goo.gl/maps/jtqEZDMa4JK2 .  I think only the portion of the sign that was hit was replaced, but you can't tell, especially in the picture.  The only evidence though you can see: Take a look at the catwalk in front of it: The left side is shinier, and there's no lights.  The right side still has lights (I doubt they're used though).

Another example is this one:  https://goo.gl/maps/yctYKrLw7WN2 .  In this case, the catwalk was hit and never replaced, but the truck managed to miss the sign somehow. 

I've seen traffic lights hit as well.  Those things shatter into a thousand pieces!  LOL  They're replaced rather easily though.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on January 17, 2019, 11:22:20 AM
The Plow idea is most likely what happened, I cant imagine anything else hitting the sign, other then a dump truck with its back up, but in videos where that happens, the whole sign gets nearly ripped off.

It will probably be a while before they replace that sign, there are other signs that have been hit, that Deldot hasn’t replaced.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on January 29, 2019, 01:15:22 AM
 https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/deldot-awards-million-contract-for-main-street-construction-project/article_1d34b67b-613d-5ea1-b0f2-b6e4ee96de56.html (https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/deldot-awards-million-contract-for-main-street-construction-project/article_1d34b67b-613d-5ea1-b0f2-b6e4ee96de56.html)

People are pretty mad about this upcoming project, Main street needs to be upgraded. But Deldot should definitely not add more meters during construction on different streets to continue getting their money. I wish planners back in the day would have made mainstreet & the City of Newark a lot bigger, so much more could have been in Newark.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: davewiecking on January 29, 2019, 04:54:34 AM
“City officials are evaluating where they can add temporary or permanent metered parking spaces on surrounding roads.”

Where do you read that DelDOT is adding meters on city-owned streets, or that DelDOT gets the money from the City of Newark parking meters?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 29, 2019, 07:15:14 AM
https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/deldot-awards-million-contract-for-main-street-construction-project/article_1d34b67b-613d-5ea1-b0f2-b6e4ee96de56.html (https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/deldot-awards-million-contract-for-main-street-construction-project/article_1d34b67b-613d-5ea1-b0f2-b6e4ee96de56.html)

People are pretty mad about this upcoming project, Main street needs to be upgraded. But Deldot should definitely not add more meters during construction on different streets to continue getting their money. I wish planners back in the day would have made mainstreet & the City of Newark a lot bigger, so much more could have been in Newark.


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DelDOT isn't adding the meters. That's Newark that wants to knock down the buildings and put the meters in.

Of course, as some commenters already pointed out, why add meters in? Why not make parking free? They claim the construction is going to hurt the shops and restaurants along the street, yet in the same breathe they talk about making shoppers pay to park. They say that many shops won't survive. Looking at the history of Main Street, how would you be able to tell? The turnover is so great there's a constant rotation of new businesses already.

As far as the construction goes, unfortunately it's probably needed. They question why doesn't Deldot wait until the summer because of move out. Well...what about move in? Its going to affect them too, for two years. They can't just delay the project forever.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on January 29, 2019, 08:39:59 AM
As far as the construction goes, unfortunately it's probably needed. They question why doesn't Deldot wait until the summer because of move out. Well...what about move in? Its going to affect them too, for two years. They can't just delay the project forever.
There were many times at UD when I'd be biking to the university and Main Street was just a disaster as a bicyclist because of all the potholes.  I'm surprised I never crashed there (I did crash once on College Avenue though, but that was my fault).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on January 29, 2019, 12:19:39 PM
If Newark wants meters added wouldnt they just make Deldot install them? Or do they use another company?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on January 29, 2019, 01:39:06 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190129/0b3150e7889cbc29dcca2a243b5aa086.jpg)

Looks like a new NB 95 Ramp will be built according to this graphic.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on January 29, 2019, 01:46:44 PM
^ I looked at the full graphic (https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/crb/pdf/latest_graphics/Aerial_with_graphic.pdf).  It does not show a new ramp to 95.  What you're confusing for a new ramp is in reality planned as connecting New Sweeden St to Beech St underneath the I-95 Viaduct.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on January 29, 2019, 01:51:47 PM
^ I looked at the full graphic (https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/crb/pdf/latest_graphics/Aerial_with_graphic.pdf).  It does not show a new ramp to 95.  What you're confusing for a new ramp is in reality planned as connecting New Sweeden St to Beech St underneath the I-95 Viaduct.
Are you sure froggie? Look again, you can see a orange ramp going up to 95, I see the dotted road under the viaduct.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on January 29, 2019, 01:54:35 PM
^ I looked at the full graphic (https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/crb/pdf/latest_graphics/Aerial_with_graphic.pdf).  It does not show a new ramp to 95.  What you're confusing for a new ramp is in reality planned as connecting New Sweeden St to Beech St underneath the I-95 Viaduct.
Are you sure froggie? Look again, you can see a orange ramp going up to 95, I see the dotted road under the viaduct.


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Edit:  Froggie is correct, my eyes fooled me for a sec.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 29, 2019, 02:09:30 PM
If Newark wants meters added wouldnt they just make Deldot install them? Or do they use another company?


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Newark can't make DelDOT do anything. Governments Government agencies and departments can push each other around, but in the they need to have some sort of agreement in place if one agency wants another to do something.

DelDOT probably approves a request from Newark for on street metered parking. Newark is then responsible for the type of meters they want to use, and contracts the installation out to a private contractor.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 07, 2019, 05:24:47 AM
 http://mchhistory.blogspot.com/2011/09/trolley-comes-to-stanton.html?m=1 (http://mchhistory.blogspot.com/2011/09/trolley-comes-to-stanton.html?m=1)

A good read, & some history that some of us may not know, I wonder why Delaware got rid of the trolleys.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 07, 2019, 06:01:51 AM
I wonder why Delaware got rid of the trolleys.
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Cars.

When you go back in history, there were quite a number of towns, cities and regions that had trolleys and trains.  As ownership of private vehicles increased, the trolley lines experienced less traffic and were shut down.  In some cases, the rail lines are still under the pavement we drive on today.  Sometimes they're known; sometimes they're unexpectedly hit when a road is being dug up!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 07, 2019, 06:04:37 AM
I wonder why Delaware got rid of the trolleys.
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Cars.

When you go back in history, there were quite a number of towns, cities and regions that had trolleys and trains.  As ownership of private vehicles increased, the trolley lines experienced less traffic and were shut down.  In some cases, the rail lines are still under the pavement we drive on today.  Sometimes they're known; sometimes they're unexpectedly hit when a road is being dug up!
But look at philly! I know philly is way bigger & more populous, but they still use trolleys & are adding some old lines back. I think Delaware messed up by removing every single Trolly track. One to the riverfront would greatly bring more tourists & people for example.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 07, 2019, 06:10:38 AM
I wonder why Delaware got rid of the trolleys.
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Cars.

When you go back in history, there were quite a number of towns, cities and regions that had trolleys and trains.  As ownership of private vehicles increased, the trolley lines experienced less traffic and were shut down.  In some cases, the rail lines are still under the pavement we drive on today.  Sometimes they're known; sometimes they're unexpectedly hit when a road is being dug up!
But look at philly! I know philly is way bigger & more populous, but they still use trolleys & are adding some old lines back. I think Delaware messed up by removing every single Trolly track. One to the riverfront would greatly bring more tourists & people for example.


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Where are tourists going to stay that they would make use of a trolley line to the Riverfront?

Also, they are way slower than most public-transit modes of transportation.  And when there's an option of not driving to a tourist destination, rideshares (Uber/Lyft) are the overwhelming favorite mode of choice.
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 07, 2019, 06:23:14 AM
I wonder why Delaware got rid of the trolleys.
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Cars.

When you go back in history, there were quite a number of towns, cities and regions that had trolleys and trains.  As ownership of private vehicles increased, the trolley lines experienced less traffic and were shut down.  In some cases, the rail lines are still under the pavement we drive on today.  Sometimes they're known; sometimes they're unexpectedly hit when a road is being dug up!
But look at philly! I know philly is way bigger & more populous, but they still use trolleys & are adding some old lines back. I think Delaware messed up by removing every single Trolly track. One to the riverfront would greatly bring more tourists & people for example.


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Where are tourists going to stay that they would make use of a trolley line to the Riverfront?

Also, they are way slower than most public-transit modes of transportation.  And when there's an option of not driving to a tourist destination, rideshares (Uber/Lyft) are the overwhelming favorite mode of choice.
Well they are building two new hotels at the riverfront, & all the improvements such as the new bridge & roads, will create more development. Now that Im thinking about it buses are basically trackless trolleys, I assume the pro of a trolley is to pass all the bs that you would deal with on the street. Delaware’s roads aren’t even wide enough to handle the traffic of Multiple transit modes, but the app taxis seems to be the best choice, not many taxis in Wilmington anyway.  im surprised they fit the trolly tracks on the streets they did. In fact im shocked that we dont have a subway system, Wilmington is small enough for a compact system that could travel the whole city & some suburbs.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on February 07, 2019, 05:23:35 PM
In fact im shocked that we dont have a subway system, Wilmington is small enough for a compact system that could travel the whole city & some suburbs.

More like small enough that a subway system isn't remotely feasible for the relatively meager amount of traffic it'd get. No city of Wilmington's stature and population is going to put billions of dollars into a subway system, at least not here in the US.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 07, 2019, 05:24:42 PM
In fact im shocked that we dont have a subway system, Wilmington is small enough for a compact system that could travel the whole city & some suburbs.

More like small enough that a subway system isn't remotely feasible for the relatively meager amount of traffic it'd get. No city of Wilmington's stature and population is going to put billions of dollars into a subway system, at least not here in the US.
Now Alex, I thought of the same thing, until I found out that boston has a subway system & they are smaller then us right?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on February 07, 2019, 05:26:31 PM
In fact im shocked that we dont have a subway system, Wilmington is small enough for a compact system that could travel the whole city & some suburbs.

More like small enough that a subway system isn't remotely feasible for the relatively meager amount of traffic it'd get. No city of Wilmington's stature and population is going to put billions of dollars into a subway system, at least not here in the US.
Now Alex, I thought of the same thing, until I found out that boston has a subway system & they are smaller then us right?


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...the Boston metro area has over 4.5x as many people as the entire state of Delaware.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 07, 2019, 05:29:54 PM
In fact im shocked that we dont have a subway system, Wilmington is small enough for a compact system that could travel the whole city & some suburbs.

More like small enough that a subway system isn't remotely feasible for the relatively meager amount of traffic it'd get. No city of Wilmington's stature and population is going to put billions of dollars into a subway system, at least not here in the US.
Now Alex, I thought of the same thing, until I found out that boston has a subway system & they are smaller then us right?


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...the Boston metro area has over 4.5x as many people as the entire state of Delaware.
Im sorry, I should have done the research. Looking on the map I can see that Boston it self is bigger than the whole state of Delaware, I dont know what I was thinking rhode island size, that being said I still dont think Delaware should have gotten rid of it light rail. This would have added some type of culture That Delaware is trying to build.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Rothman on February 08, 2019, 09:03:51 AM
Boston also has the oldest subway in the U.S., so they started the bandwagon.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on February 08, 2019, 09:39:43 AM
In fact im shocked that we dont have a subway system, Wilmington is small enough for a compact system that could travel the whole city & some suburbs.
More like small enough that a subway system isn't remotely feasible for the relatively meager amount of traffic it'd get. No city of Wilmington's stature and population is going to put billions of dollars into a subway system, at least not here in the US.
Now Alex, I thought of the same thing, until I found out that Boston has a subway system & they are smaller then us right?
...the Boston metro area has over 4.5x as many people as the entire state of Delaware.
I'm sorry, I should have done the research. Looking on the map I can see that Boston it self is bigger than the whole state of Delaware, I dont know what I was thinking Rhode Island size, that being said I still dont think Delaware should have gotten rid of it light rail. This would have added some type of culture That Delaware is trying to build.
   :-o
A couple things:
1.  To my knowledge, RI does not have any type of light-rail/subway system that I'm aware of... not even in Providence.
2.  I don't know what maps you're looking at to determine the areas but something tells me such aren't at the same scale.

Here are some land areas for comparision:
State of Delaware = 1,981 sq. miles. (https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=vZFdXLSMKfC9ggex77qICg&q=delaware+size+in+square+miles&oq=delaware+siz&gs_l=psy-ab.1.1.0l6j0i22i30l4.1498.8183..11219...0.0..0.62.626.12......0....1..gws-wiz.....0..0i131.BWSrHH4RakA)
State of Rhode Island = 1,212 sq. miles. (https://www.google.com/search?ei=P_dhXLHEKYLL_Qba9bDYCw&q=rhode+island+size+in+square+miles&oq=rhode+island+size+in+square+miles&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0.2708.6240..8117...0.0..0.60.668.12......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i7i30j0i7i10i30j0i8i7i30j0i13.iQouFxzO7co)
City of Wilmington, DE = 16.94 sq. miles (https://www.google.com/search?ei=gpJdXKH-KsG0_AbCtImQAg&q=wilmington%2C+de+size+in+square+miles&oq=wilmington%2C+de+size+in+square+miles&gs_l=psy-ab.3...41768.44273..46600...0.0..0.72.835.14......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i7i30j0i7i10i30j0i8i7i30.5rLhDtnCDTU)
City of Providence, RI = 20.6 sq. miles. (https://www.google.com/search?ei=s5JdXOmzCvKi_QbM0aWoDg&q=providence%2C+ri+size+in+square+miles&oq=providence%2C+ri+size+in+square+miles&gs_l=psy-ab.3...104221.107046..108694...0.0..0.154.909.13j1......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i7i30j0i7i5i30.A416SMsj9A4)
City of Boston, MA = 89.63 sq. miles. (https://www.google.com/search?ei=AfdhXPKfFoKyggf_5oiIAw&q=boston+size+in+square+miles&oq=boston+size+in+square+miles&gs_l=psy-ab.3...4472.6602..8034...0.0..0.67.368.6......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i7i30j0i8i7i30.HDSEJ4y1zPQ)

Additionally & as others have stated, land size alone isn't the determining factor for designing & building a light-rail/subway system... it's population of said-city or region.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: seicer on February 08, 2019, 11:35:22 PM
Population and density are two of the driving factors of the type of mass transit decided upon - whether it's light-rail/subway, heavy-rail, bus rapid transit, and others.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 08, 2019, 11:42:57 PM
I see, so Wilmington's population falling after 1950 furthermore insured that Trolley lines were removed, and subway plans never even came up, and lastly the city limits were never pushed making The City of Wilmington bigger. That's a shame because if the Wilmington City limits were to be the whole top of Delaware down to Kirkwood Hwy as the stopping point, the population of Wilmington would be 200,000+ right? Maybe even more, if that was the case Id Assume we would have more Transit options.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on February 09, 2019, 12:25:17 AM
I see, so Wilmington's population falling after 1950 furthermore insured that Trolley lines were removed, and subway plans never even came up, and lastly the city limits were never pushed making The City of Wilmington bigger. That's a shame because if the Wilmington City limits were to be the whole top of Delaware down to Kirkwood Hwy as the stopping point, the population of Wilmington would be 200,000+ right? Maybe even more, if that was the case Id Assume we would have more Transit options.
... Please just stop dragging this thread down unnecessary Fictional roads? Please?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 09, 2019, 12:45:18 AM
I see, so Wilmington's population falling after 1950 furthermore insured that Trolley lines were removed, and subway plans never even came up, and lastly the city limits were never pushed making The City of Wilmington bigger. That's a shame because if the Wilmington City limits were to be the whole top of Delaware down to Kirkwood Hwy as the stopping point, the population of Wilmington would be 200,000+ right? Maybe even more, if that was the case Id Assume we would have more Transit options.
... Please just stop dragging this thread down unnecessary Fictional roads? Please?
Gotcha sorry about that, just trying to make convo.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 09, 2019, 07:44:11 AM
In regards to expanding the city, I've heard the purpose of allowing the really tall building on the Concord Pike (I forget who owns it now) as an effort to expand the city to the north. It never happened, and left that area with an out-of-place semi-skyscraper.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on February 09, 2019, 08:13:52 AM
In regards to expanding the city, I've heard the purpose of allowing the really tall building on the Concord Pike (I forget who owns it now) as an effort to expand the city to the north. It never happened, and left that area with an out-of-place semi-skyscraper.

I remember it as the Rollins Building.  You can see it from the Roth Bridge over the C&D Canal, and the DuPont Country Club (where the LPGA used to have one of its major tournaments every year) is a couple of blocks behind the building. 

I went to that building one time for a job interview in the '90s, and while killing time before going inside, this couple parked next to me, got a pair of lawn chairs out of their trunk, and headed off in the direction of the DuPont Country Club, no doubt possessing tickets to the LPGA tournament, which was going on that day. :)

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Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 09, 2019, 11:19:02 AM
In regards to expanding the city, I've heard the purpose of allowing the really tall building on the Concord Pike (I forget who owns it now) as an effort to expand the city to the north. It never happened, and left that area with an out-of-place semi-skyscraper.

I remember it as the Rollins Building.  You can see it from the Roth Bridge over the C&D Canal, and the DuPont Country Club (where the LPGA used to have one of its major tournaments every year) is a couple of blocks behind the building. 

I went to that building one time for a job interview in the '90s, and while killing time before going inside, this couple parked next to me, got a pair of lawn chairs out of their trunk, and headed off in the direction of the DuPont Country Club, no doubt possessing tickets to the LPGA tournament, which was going on that day. :)

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Woww, is that really why that building is there. Explains it now, why did the plan fall through? Concord Pike seems like it should already be in the city limits along with other parts.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on February 09, 2019, 08:27:55 PM
That's a shame because if the Wilmington City limits were to be the whole top of Delaware down to Kirkwood Hwy as the stopping point, the population of Wilmington would be 200,000+ right?
About 2 years ago I pulled Census data to see what Wilmington's population would be if all of its ZIP codes (19801-19810) were part of the city limits and I think it came to 216,000.  On that note, I think Newark (19702, 19711-19717) was around 150,000.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 09, 2019, 08:31:53 PM
That's a shame because if the Wilmington City limits were to be the whole top of Delaware down to Kirkwood Hwy as the stopping point, the population of Wilmington would be 200,000+ right?
About 2 years ago I pulled Census data to see what Wilmington's population would be if all of its ZIP codes (19801-19810) were part of the city limits and I think it came to 216,000.  On that note, I think Newark (19702, 19711-19717) was around 150,000.
Hold on, Newark has more population then Wilmington? Or were you counting all the newark zip codes together?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on February 09, 2019, 10:35:58 PM
That's a shame because if the Wilmington City limits were to be the whole top of Delaware down to Kirkwood Hwy as the stopping point, the population of Wilmington would be 200,000+ right?
About 2 years ago I pulled Census data to see what Wilmington's population would be if all of its ZIP codes (19801-19810) were part of the city limits and I think it came to 216,000.  On that note, I think Newark (19702, 19711-19717) was around 150,000.
Hold on, Newark has more population then Wilmington? Or were you counting all the newark zip codes together?
I think you misread what I said.  All of the "Wilmington" ZIP codes (including ones like 19808, which doesn't enter the city limits) added up to around 216,000.  All of the "Newark" ZIP codes (including 19702, which I don't think enters the city limits) added up to 150,000 or so.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 09, 2019, 10:40:04 PM
That's a shame because if the Wilmington City limits were to be the whole top of Delaware down to Kirkwood Hwy as the stopping point, the population of Wilmington would be 200,000+ right?
About 2 years ago I pulled Census data to see what Wilmington's population would be if all of its ZIP codes (19801-19810) were part of the city limits and I think it came to 216,000.  On that note, I think Newark (19702, 19711-19717) was around 150,000.
Hold on, Newark has more population then Wilmington? Or were you counting all the newark zip codes together?
I think you misread what I said.  All of the "Wilmington" ZIP codes (including ones like 19808, which doesn't enter the city limits) added up to around 216,000.  All of the "Newark" ZIP codes (including 19702, which I don't think enters the city limits) added up to 150,000 or so.
I thought thats what you meant, I was unsure if you meant the city of Newark alone, but you included the other Zips, for all that they should erase some districts & combine them up so the cities would be bigger, why doesnt Delaware want big population cities?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on February 10, 2019, 12:05:38 AM

The best source for old plans may actually be at the University of Delaware Library.  Colleges, Universities and State Libraries are typical locations where plans of old wound up.

The Hugh Morris Library at UDel is where Cary Todd and I found the document on the Newark Beltway way back in 1993. What I presented on AARoads, some of which dates back to the old Geocities days, was from my recollection of us going through them.


Draft EIS, 1970
DE-4, Newark Beltway, Ogletown to New London Road, New Castle County
https://tinyurl.com/y88qv3pm

Project about 7.7 miles long, a divided multi-lane arterial.  Page down and you can see a map of the alternatives.
...

I don't see the DE 141 extension yet, but I will note that I saw the viaduct under construction in 1976 and the scale and size and straightness looked like it would be part of a major freeway (and I later noticed that it never did).

I scanned several News Journal articles I saved from the early 1990s about completing the Delaware 141 freeway back in 2005. IIRC I posted a 1994 article that included graphics for all the projects envisioned for finishing Delaware 141 to Steve Anderson's phillyroads FB group several years back. I can dig that out and post it here at some point if there is interest.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 10, 2019, 12:08:51 AM

The best source for old plans may actually be at the University of Delaware Library.  Colleges, Universities and State Libraries are typical locations where plans of old wound up.

The Hugh Morris Library at UDel is where Cary Todd and I found the document on the Newark Beltway way back in 1993. What I presented on AARoads, some of which dates back to the old Geocities days, was from my recollection of us going through them.


Draft EIS, 1970
DE-4, Newark Beltway, Ogletown to New London Road, New Castle County
https://tinyurl.com/y88qv3pm

Project about 7.7 miles long, a divided multi-lane arterial.  Page down and you can see a map of the alternatives.
...

I don't see the DE 141 extension yet, but I will note that I saw the viaduct under construction in 1976 and the scale and size and straightness looked like it would be part of a major freeway (and I later noticed that it never did).

I scanned several News Journal articles I saved from the early 1990s about completing the Delaware 141 freeway back in 2005. IIRC I posted a 1994 article that included graphics for all the projects envisioned for finishing Delaware 141 to Steve Anderson's phillyroads FB group several years back. I can dig that out and post it here at some point if there is interest.
Alex you know im down to the bone interested, so thats 1 vote for yay.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on February 10, 2019, 08:03:04 AM

The best source for old plans may actually be at the University of Delaware Library.  Colleges, Universities and State Libraries are typical locations where plans of old wound up.

The Hugh Morris Library at UDel is where Cary Todd and I found the document on the Newark Beltway way back in 1993. What I presented on AARoads, some of which dates back to the old Geocities days, was from my recollection of us going through them.


Draft EIS, 1970
DE-4, Newark Beltway, Ogletown to New London Road, New Castle County
https://tinyurl.com/y88qv3pm

Project about 7.7 miles long, a divided multi-lane arterial.  Page down and you can see a map of the alternatives.
...

I don't see the DE 141 extension yet, but I will note that I saw the viaduct under construction in 1976 and the scale and size and straightness looked like it would be part of a major freeway (and I later noticed that it never did).

I scanned several News Journal articles I saved from the early 1990s about completing the Delaware 141 freeway back in 2005. IIRC I posted a 1994 article that included graphics for all the projects envisioned for finishing Delaware 141 to Steve Anderson's phillyroads FB group several years back. I can dig that out and post it here at some point if there is interest.
Alex you know im down to the bone interested, so thats 1 vote for yay.


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Here's another yes vote.  Let's see it.  I've driven the 141 freeway many times.

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Title: Delaware 141 freeway proposal
Post by: Alex on February 10, 2019, 12:47:43 PM
Uploaded the scans to the gallery section of the forum. Turns out the article was not from 1994, but instead was published on November 29, 1992.

It outlined a pretty optimistic time table for completing SR 141... Besides the grade separation at Rockland Road, none of this moved forward.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/10_10_02_19_12_42_06.jpeg) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/10_10_02_19_12_42_20.jpeg)

Alex you know im down to the bone interested, so thats 1 vote for yay.
Here's another yes vote.  Let's see it.  I've driven the 141 freeway many times.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 10, 2019, 02:53:09 PM
Uploaded the scans to the gallery section of the forum. Turns out the article was not from 1994, but instead was published on November 29, 1992.

It outlined a pretty optimistic time table for completing SR 141... Besides the grade separation at Rockland Road, none of this moved forward.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/10_10_02_19_12_42_06.jpeg) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/10_10_02_19_12_42_20.jpeg)

Alex you know im down to the bone interested, so thats 1 vote for yay.
Here's another yes vote.  Let's see it.  I've driven the 141 freeway many times.
So basically Deldot plans for the future, but Residents are not satisfied with the plans (or any plans). Did dupont & the other business ever expand? Or did they cancel their plans because the highway wasn’t built. Its a shame that Deldot planned all our roads to handle capacity till 2030, but plans were shot down because, residents sight of view changed or maybe some people are scared of highways. Now look, Delaware is lacking in road infrastructure & connections & that causes people to think twice about living or working in De. IMHO. Thanks Nimbys. You live in the strip of houses on porter road or Red lion & you control all the say in the whole New Castle. What a corrupt county.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 10, 2019, 04:21:25 PM
Apparently you are completely unaware of all the road projects throughout the nation that were cancelled or changed due to community opposition. I'm not sure how the lack of a 141 as proposed by Deldot results in a corrupt county.
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 10, 2019, 04:26:39 PM
Apparently you are completely unaware of all the road projects throughout the nation that were cancelled or changed due to community opposition. I'm not sure how the lack of a 141 as proposed by Deldot results in a corrupt county.
141 is just one project J & N, you should know New Castle is famous for corruption, For a state in a Major area in the northeast, why are major projects always shot down by people who only go outside to buy groceries & go home, No disrespect intended, but the past generation of “important people”  didn’t do their job. I understand projects were scaled down after the 70’s & up.


Delaware is finally catching up, but damn after traffic is bad & they have to?! Sometimes you should just go with your gut.

Also I say the county is corrupt because only certain people <10%> control all the say, any project proposed, 50 people in one area will say no & its a no. Not even thinking about the future or the other 1000’s of people around, I believe thats call corruption in the system.

How much you wanna bet that half the people living in Delaware have never seen the City of New York, they think sight lines are crazy here, go check New York Out.
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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on February 10, 2019, 04:37:57 PM
So basically Deldot plans for the future, but Residents are not satisfied with the plans (or any plans). Did dupont & the other business ever expand? Or did they cancel their plans because the highway wasn’t built. Its a shame that Deldot planned all our roads to handle capacity till 2030, but plans were shot down because, residents sight of view changed or maybe some people are scared of highways. Now look, Delaware is lacking in road infrastructure & connections & that causes people to think twice about living or working in De. IMHO. Thanks Nimbys. You live in the strip of houses on porter road or Red lion & you control all the say in the whole New Castle. What a corrupt county.
You know Delaware is booming fairly rapidly in population, right?  Every other commercial on TV in the Dover/Salisbury market is for home builders (primarily in Sussex).

To use a New Castle reference, Middletown's population was 6,000 in 2000 and is now 21,000.  They're building everywhere in this state.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 10, 2019, 04:53:03 PM
So basically Deldot plans for the future, but Residents are not satisfied with the plans (or any plans). Did dupont & the other business ever expand? Or did they cancel their plans because the highway wasn’t built. Its a shame that Deldot planned all our roads to handle capacity till 2030, but plans were shot down because, residents sight of view changed or maybe some people are scared of highways. Now look, Delaware is lacking in road infrastructure & connections & that causes people to think twice about living or working in De. IMHO. Thanks Nimbys. You live in the strip of houses on porter road or Red lion & you control all the say in the whole New Castle. What a corrupt county.
You know Delaware is booming fairly rapidly in population, right?  Every other commercial on TV in the Dover/Salisbury market is for home builders (primarily in Sussex).

To use a New Castle reference, Middletown's population was 6,000 in 2000 and is now 21,000.  They're building everywhere in this state.
And I see the Boom going on down state, and it’s great, Im happy they are building homes down there, but up here in New Castle , this area needs help, The city of Wilmington is the top of the Iceberg with plans shot down & projects failing, now some plans might have been bad & some good, Ill give you that. But look at Delawares location IMO situated between 3 major cities Baltimore, Philly and New York, You would think planners & developers would think a little more creatively, using models from Bigger cities to atleast become a moderate sized city with options for everyone & everything, I get upset when I drive to philly and see how great everything looks, but you drive to Delaware & thats a 35 minute trip ( with no traffic) & you wonder what the fuck happened.

Reading on Wiki, It says Wilmington Delaware was the biggest producer of Steel & ships on in the whole country, how did we go from that to, a population of 72,000???

New Castle is another thing, poor planning & no amenities. New Castle could have Easily made a light rail line from elkton to Wilmington, would have solved every issue for people without cars.

Newark could have been a even better city with the UD Campus, some of you know the rant I threw about the Newark beltway.

I speak so highly of these issues, because I love Delaware. I will learn everything I have to learn and be a person in Delaware to fix problems & help the people that actually care & live & work in Delaware everyday, I wont be another Pettinaro or Capano & just fuck everything up. Or let it get that way.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 10, 2019, 09:26:59 PM
Good luck fixing those problems. You're gonna need it!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 10, 2019, 09:27:52 PM
Good luck fixing those problems. You're gonna need it!
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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on February 11, 2019, 01:13:14 AM
I get upset when I drive to philly and see how great everything looks, but you drive to Delaware & thats a 35 minute trip ( with no traffic) & you wonder what the fuck happened.

...are we living in the same universe?
The trip to and through Philly is a traffic choked slog along a woefully overcapacity and under-maintained stretch of I-95. Meanwhile, headed southbound, the instant you cross into Delaware quality and north / south capacity increases greatly.

Newark could have been a even better city with the UD Campus, some of you know the rant I threw about the Newark beltway.

The complaints you've been lobbing out about Delaware's roadway systems have largely either been hugely exaggerated or make no sense at all. I really don't think you understand how public opinion or public policy works, or how history unfolded that led to where we are today. Yes these cancelled projects would've been cool to see come to fruition, and yes they could've solved a few traffic problems, but practically every post of yours is complaining about how no one in Delaware decided to overbuild the heck out of our infrastructure to support the major metropolis you want plopped on top of Newark. Nobody wants Newark to be a gigantic metropolitan area except you, certainly not the people who live here, and not supporting these cancelled roadway plans in no way shape or form correlates with corruption. Bigger is not necessarily better when it comes to cities, and nobody in their right mind is going to set out to just plop a gigantic city on top of a college town where's there's no demand for such a thing.

Please just take a moment and come back to reality before you post, because this is getting kinda old.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 11, 2019, 01:29:35 AM
I get upset when I drive to philly and see how great everything looks, but you drive to Delaware & thats a 35 minute trip ( with no traffic) & you wonder what the fuck happened.

...are we living in the same universe?
The trip to and through Philly is a traffic choked slog along a woefully overcapacity and under-maintained stretch of I-95. Meanwhile, headed southbound, the instant you cross into Delaware quality and north / south capacity increases greatly.

Newark could have been a even better city with the UD Campus, some of you know the rant I threw about the Newark beltway.

The complaints you've been lobbing out about Delaware's roadway systems have largely either been hugely exaggerated or make no sense at all. I really don't think you understand how public opinion or public policy works, or how history unfolded that led to where we are today. Yes these cancelled projects would've been cool to see come to fruition, and yes they could've solved a few traffic problems, but practically every post of yours is complaining about how no one in Delaware decided to overbuild the heck out of our infrastructure to support the major metropolis you want plopped on top of Newark. Nobody wants Newark to be a gigantic metropolitan area except you, certainly not the people who live here, and not supporting these cancelled roadway plans in no way shape or form correlates with corruption. Bigger is not necessarily better when it comes to cities, and nobody in their right mind is going to set out to just plop a gigantic city on top of a college town where's there's no demand for such a thing.

Please just take a moment and come back to reality before you post, because this is getting kinda old.


I said without traffic, did you read my paragraph right?


I didn’t say anything about a big major city in Newark.


And you must not know the area I live in like I do. I talk to people & see what goes on around me, I didn’t blame canceled projects for corruption, I said only a certain group of people control the say in Delaware & thats corruption.

I know how public policy & public opinion works, & you wanna talk about history of how things unfolded? Yea it unfolded Onesided & racist. So you think everyone had an opinion? People still dont.

Ill post facts about things before I speak, maybe that will get people to understand.

Seeing how people take my posts, I see which way the tide flows. Instead of posting rants Ill post the changes that happen instead, Sorry that my eyes are open.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on February 11, 2019, 07:49:53 AM
Just going to say this:

NIMBY ≠ corruption

Annoying, yes.  But not corruption.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on February 11, 2019, 08:29:51 AM
Newark could have been a even better city with the UD Campus, some of you know the rant I threw about the Newark beltway.

The complaints you've been lobbing out about Delaware's roadway systems have largely either been hugely exaggerated or make no sense at all. I really don't think you understand how public opinion or public policy works, or how history unfolded that led to where we are today. Yes these cancelled projects would've been cool to see come to fruition, and yes they could've solved a few traffic problems, but practically every post of yours is complaining about how no one in Delaware decided to overbuild the heck out of our infrastructure to support the major metropolis you want plopped on top of Newark. Nobody wants Newark to be a gigantic metropolitan area except you, certainly not the people who live here, and not supporting these cancelled roadway plans in no way shape or form correlates with corruption. Bigger is not necessarily better when it comes to cities, and nobody in their right mind is going to set out to just plop a gigantic city on top of a college town where's there's no demand for such a thing.

Please just take a moment and come back to reality before you post, because this is getting kinda old.
As unexciting as Dover (a city of similar size to Newark in Delaware) may be, I am glad that it is fairly small and not terribly congested.  I get overwhelmed by the crowds, rush, and massive infrastructure fairly easily, so I enjoy the quieter and slower pace of life.  Not everybody wants to live in a big city.

And you must not know the area I live in like I do. I talk to people & see what goes on around me, I didn’t blame canceled projects for corruption, I said only a certain group of people control the say in Delaware & thats corruption.
I served on a transportation committee in Newark for 8 months and now work for the state in a transportation office.  I have seen the process firsthand.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 11, 2019, 09:06:31 AM
I served on a transportation committee in Newark for 8 months and now work for the state in a transportation office.  I have seen the process firsthand.

Attending numerous public meetings, I've learned to be creative in my recommendations, especially in towns where I don't live.  People don't like congestion; they don't like having their front yard taken for a road expansion even more.  Nearly everyone speeds; but nearly everyone wants everyone else to slow down.  When I'm looking at plans for a project, I'm listening to those around me as much as I'm looking at the proposals.  Also, the consultants and engineers at these meetings often have little to say, and I've found that some employees at a meeting are basically low-level newbies that may not even be familiar with the project.

Depending on the history of these projects, a large scale expansion may have been whittled down to intersection improvements.  I know little ole' me won't succeed in telling them they have to do the expansion, but talk to the right people and suggesting longer turn lanes or right-green arrows on a cross street left arrow may get serious consideration.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on February 11, 2019, 05:19:38 PM
I said without traffic, did you read my paragraph right?

That post makes little sense either way you read it.

I didn’t say anything about a big major city in Newark.

Okay, New Castle County in general. The point remains that if people here wanted to live in a gigantic city or viewed a gigantic city as preferable to the general suburban nature of the county, they'd move to an actual city or there'd be a bigger drive to start plopping skyscrapers and high rises everywhere. But there isn't, in fact it's the opposite.


And you must not know the area I live in like I do.

I do, and I can say with absolute certainty that you aren't in touch with reality. The northern end of the county is largely built out and people are largely content with the density. Efforts to redevelop the remaining open space gets met with stiff resistance from the surrounding areas regularly, people don't want more density here and people certainly don't want their homes taken by the construction of new highway facilities that will likely increase the population density. Obviously there's support for spot improvements in troublesome areas on existing corridors, or maybe the occasional new roadway connection to fill a gap in the system (the Churchman's Road extension to SR 2 near Delaware Park comes to mind, that still shows up on WILMAPCO's aspirations projects lists), but things like the Newark Beltway, or the SR 141 upgrades, or the fictional light rail system failed to come to fruition (or were never even considered) because people don't want to be pushed out of the way to build these things or they don't want the character of the area to radically change.

Building a new highway is not as easy as you make it sound, and neither is building a comprehensive light rail system.

You've been acting as though the traffic issues here are as bad those in New York City or in Los Angeles, which just simply isn't true. Opposition to highway projects does not equate to corruption, New Castle County is most certainly not well-known for corruption like you say it is.
Title: Re: Delaware 141 freeway proposal
Post by: Alex4897 on February 11, 2019, 05:25:28 PM
Uploaded the scans to the gallery section of the forum. Turns out the article was not from 1994, but instead was published on November 29, 1992.

It outlined a pretty optimistic time table for completing SR 141... Besides the grade separation at Rockland Road, none of this moved forward.

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I'm particularly interested by that snippet about the "complex interchange between Montchanin Road and Kennett Pike" and the improvements to the I-95 interchange, assuming they had finished planning the proposed layouts at those locations it's too bad the map didn't show them in greater detail.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on February 11, 2019, 06:59:51 PM
I served on a transportation committee in Newark for 8 months and now work for the state in a transportation office.  I have seen the process firsthand.

Attending numerous public meetings, I've learned to be creative in my recommendations, especially in towns where I don't live.  People don't like congestion; they don't like having their front yard taken for a road expansion even more.  Nearly everyone speeds; but nearly everyone wants everyone else to slow down.  When I'm looking at plans for a project, I'm listening to those around me as much as I'm looking at the proposals.  Also, the consultants and engineers at these meetings often have little to say, and I've found that some employees at a meeting are basically low-level newbies that may not even be familiar with the project.

Depending on the history of these projects, a large scale expansion may have been whittled down to intersection improvements.  I know little ole' me won't succeed in telling them they have to do the expansion, but talk to the right people and suggesting longer turn lanes or right-green arrows on a cross street left arrow may get serious consideration.
That's really what I enjoy about the whole field of transportation and the field of planning.  It's the challenge of satisfying as many people as possible and reducing the dissatisfaction of others (that seemed redundant), it's seeing the odd compromises that were made to ensure that at least something was built.

Anyway, we're dragging out this issue way too long, I feel.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 11, 2019, 07:05:55 PM
Anyway, we're dragging out this issue way too long, I feel.

You mean, like many construction projects? Lol
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 12, 2019, 12:54:59 AM
I said without traffic, did you read my paragraph right?

That post makes little sense either way you read it.

I didn’t say anything about a big major city in Newark.

Okay, New Castle County in general. The point remains that if people here wanted to live in a gigantic city or viewed a gigantic city as preferable to the general suburban nature of the county, they'd move to an actual city or there'd be a bigger drive to start plopping skyscrapers and high rises everywhere. But there isn't, in fact it's the opposite.


And you must not know the area I live in like I do.

I do, and I can say with absolute certainty that you aren't in touch with reality. The northern end of the county is largely built out and people are largely content with the density. Efforts to redevelop the remaining open space gets met with stiff resistance from the surrounding areas regularly, people don't want more density here and people certainly don't want their homes taken by the construction of new highway facilities that will likely increase the population density. Obviously there's support for spot improvements in troublesome areas on existing corridors, or maybe the occasional new roadway connection to fill a gap in the system (the Churchman's Road extension to SR 2 near Delaware Park comes to mind, that still shows up on WILMAPCO's aspirations projects lists), but things like the Newark Beltway, or the SR 141 upgrades, or the fictional light rail system failed to come to fruition (or were never even considered) because people don't want to be pushed out of the way to build these things or they don't want the character of the area to radically change.

Building a new highway is not as easy as you make it sound, and neither is building a comprehensive light rail system.

You've been acting as though the traffic issues here are as bad those in New York City or in Los Angeles, which just simply isn't true. Opposition to highway projects does not equate to corruption, New Castle County is most certainly not well-known for corruption like you say it is.
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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 12, 2019, 07:37:09 AM
Fun Fact: I lived in Cavalier Apartments for a while during my college years.  Cavalier is the apartment complex you see off Interchange 4 of I-95, with the "If you lived here you'll be home now" sign.  I lived on Capano Drive.  The elder Capano was a developer as well, and simply named the main street for the Apartment Complex after himself!

This was during the time he was accused of dumping Anne Marie Fahey's body into the ocean, stuffed into a cooler.

I guess crime runs in the family!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 12, 2019, 07:56:54 AM
Fun Fact: I lived in Cavalier Apartments for a while during my college years.  Cavalier is the apartment complex you see off Interchange 4 of I-95, with the "If you lived here you'll be home now" sign.  I lived on Capano Drive.  The elder Capano was a developer as well, and simply named the main street for the Apartment Complex after himself!

This was during the time he was accused of dumping Anne Marie Fahey's body into the ocean, stuffed into a cooler.

I guess crime runs in the family!

Power hungry with no limits, these people control Delaware like a snake, did the property have high rent back in the day too? & did you go to UD jeff?

I was shocked when I read this & learned what they are about. Ive heard from other “real estate”  people, that Pettinaro is no better. 


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 12, 2019, 11:41:30 AM
Fun Fact: I lived in Cavalier Apartments for a while during my college years.  Cavalier is the apartment complex you see off Interchange 4 of I-95, with the "If you lived here you'll be home now" sign.  I lived on Capano Drive.  The elder Capano was a developer as well, and simply named the main street for the Apartment Complex after himself!

This was during the time he was accused of dumping Anne Marie Fahey's body into the ocean, stuffed into a cooler.

I guess crime runs in the family!

Power hungry with no limits, these people control Delaware like a snake, did the property have high rent back in the day too? & did you go to UD jeff?

I was shocked when I read this & learned what they are about. Ive heard from other “real estate”  people, that Pettinaro is no better. 


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I went to Goldey Beacom.

The rent was higher than other apartment complexes, at least at the time (may still be true). I think we paid $700 for a 2 bed 2 bath about 20+ years ago. But the neighborhood was pretty nice for an apartment complex. We were also the first complex as you entered. There were 3 buildings around the parking lot, not 4 like on other areas of the complex, and thus the parking lot was never filled. I guess that was to "show" the complex to potential tenants in a positive light.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 12, 2019, 12:45:24 PM
Fun Fact: I lived in Cavalier Apartments for a while during my college years.  Cavalier is the apartment complex you see off Interchange 4 of I-95, with the "If you lived here you'll be home now" sign.  I lived on Capano Drive.  The elder Capano was a developer as well, and simply named the main street for the Apartment Complex after himself!

This was during the time he was accused of dumping Anne Marie Fahey's body into the ocean, stuffed into a cooler.

I guess crime runs in the family!

Power hungry with no limits, these people control Delaware like a snake, did the property have high rent back in the day too? & did you go to UD jeff?

I was shocked when I read this & learned what they are about. Ive heard from other “real estate”  people, that Pettinaro is no better. 


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I went to Goldey Beacom.

The rent was higher than other apartment complexes, at least at the time (may still be true). I think we paid $700 for a 2 bed 2 bath about 20+ years ago. But the neighborhood was pretty nice for an apartment complex. We were also the first complex as you entered. There were 3 buildings around the parking lot, not 4 like on other areas of the complex, and thus the parking lot was never filled. I guess that was to "show" the complex to potential tenants in a positive light.
Hold on $700 for 2 bed 2 bath? Studio bedrooms are now $700+. You know how much you gotta pay for a 2 Bed 2 Bath in Delaware now? $1200+. Was the golf course built yet & busy or no? I believe the apartment complex still has the charm of a nice area since its close to the mall & not easy to get to. Wait you said the rent was was higher then other complexes, what year was this? I was really born in the wrong time.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 12, 2019, 03:15:40 PM
Fun Fact: I lived in Cavalier Apartments for a while during my college years.  Cavalier is the apartment complex you see off Interchange 4 of I-95, with the "If you lived here you'll be home now" sign.  I lived on Capano Drive.  The elder Capano was a developer as well, and simply named the main street for the Apartment Complex after himself!

This was during the time he was accused of dumping Anne Marie Fahey's body into the ocean, stuffed into a cooler.

I guess crime runs in the family!

Power hungry with no limits, these people control Delaware like a snake, did the property have high rent back in the day too? & did you go to UD jeff?

I was shocked when I read this & learned what they are about. Ive heard from other “real estate”  people, that Pettinaro is no better. 


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I went to Goldey Beacom.

The rent was higher than other apartment complexes, at least at the time (may still be true). I think we paid $700 for a 2 bed 2 bath about 20+ years ago. But the neighborhood was pretty nice for an apartment complex. We were also the first complex as you entered. There were 3 buildings around the parking lot, not 4 like on other areas of the complex, and thus the parking lot was never filled. I guess that was to "show" the complex to potential tenants in a positive light.
Hold on $700 for 2 bed 2 bath? Studio bedrooms are now $700+. You know how much you gotta pay for a 2 Bed 2 Bath in Delaware now? $1200+. Was the golf course built yet & busy or no? I believe the apartment complex still has the charm of a nice area since its close to the mall & not easy to get to. Wait you said the rent was was higher then other complexes, what year was this? I was really born in the wrong time.


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Yeah...$1200 is pretty cheap today for a 2/2. I ain't gonna find that in NJ!  This was in 1996/97.

The golf course was there. I never really paid attention to it though.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on February 13, 2019, 08:48:04 PM
So I found out that Delaware basically treats E-ZPass violations like traffic tickets.  On top of the toll, they add a $25 fine, and then another $25 of surcharges for crime victims and EMS.  I don't recall any other state doing that.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 14, 2019, 12:47:41 AM
Boston also has the oldest subway in the U.S., so they started the bandwagon.
And some of those subways took over the trolley lines.

I was going to ask if a Wilmington-Newark or Wilmington-Dover light rail line would be more suitable, but now that I think about it, either one of these would be better for a commuter rail system more than light rail.



Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 14, 2019, 12:53:35 AM
Boston also has the oldest subway in the U.S., so they started the bandwagon.
And some of those subways took over the trolley lines.

I was going to ask if a Wilmington-Newark or Wilmington-Dover light rail line would be more suitable, but now that I think about it, either one of these would be better for a commuter rail system more than light rail.
From reading reports , there used to be Trains that went all the way to the bottom of Delaware, but they removed the tracks. The best option would be a commuter system like you said that goes from wilmington newark & Dover.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on February 14, 2019, 08:19:04 AM
Boston also has the oldest subway in the U.S., so they started the bandwagon.
And some of those subways took over the trolley lines.

I was going to ask if a Wilmington-Newark or Wilmington-Dover light rail line would be more suitable, but now that I think about it, either one of these would be better for a commuter rail system more than light rail.
SEPTA already runs (albeit extremely limited) service between Wilmington and Newark, with tracks specifically for the local SEPTA trains separated from the intercity Amtrak trains, so the infrastructure is there.

I really don't see the need for anything beyond a bus between Wilmington and Dover, but I've only done a "reverse commute" between NCCo and Dover.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 15, 2019, 09:58:35 PM
Boston also has the oldest subway in the U.S., so they started the bandwagon.
And some of those subways took over the trolley lines.

I was going to ask if a Wilmington-Newark or Wilmington-Dover light rail line would be more suitable, but now that I think about it, either one of these would be better for a commuter rail system more than light rail.
SEPTA already runs (albeit extremely limited) service between Wilmington and Newark, with tracks specifically for the local SEPTA trains separated from the intercity Amtrak trains, so the infrastructure is there.
Oh, yes. I forgot it went that far. And I should've known better with all my Wikipedia work, not to mention the work I've wanted to do there.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on February 28, 2019, 07:12:33 AM
Starting next week, one stoplight will be eliminated on the DE-1 mainline, with the opening of the new Little Heaven/Bowers Beach overpass:

https://www.delawarepublic.org/post/new-route-1-overpass-little-heaven-open-next-week

This will leave one stoplight on DE-1 between Five Points/Lewes (US-9) and Christiana.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on March 01, 2019, 07:47:12 AM
^ The signal at 16?  Or has that also been replaced?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on March 01, 2019, 10:57:11 AM
^ The signal at 16?  Or has that also been replaced?
1 at 16 still has a signal.  That's the only one on DE-1 north of Lewes (after the new Bowers Beach Road overpass opens).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on March 04, 2019, 07:59:15 PM
Looks like that Bowers Beach overpass has opened.

https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicTrafficIncidentDisplay&id=103072

http://www.wboc.com/story/40066925/little-heaven-intersection-on-route-1-makes-kent-county-travel-easier

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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on March 04, 2019, 08:21:55 PM
Looks like that Bowers Beach overpass has opened.

https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicTrafficIncidentDisplay&id=103072

http://www.wboc.com/story/40066925/little-heaven-intersection-on-route-1-makes-kent-county-travel-easier

ixnay
I'll have to check it out.  I could go out now (it's less than 15 minutes from me), but I'm too lazy.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on March 05, 2019, 06:50:46 AM
Looks like that Bowers Beach overpass has opened.

https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicTrafficIncidentDisplay&id=103072

http://www.wboc.com/story/40066925/little-heaven-intersection-on-route-1-makes-kent-county-travel-easier

ixnay
I'll have to check it out.  I could go out now (it's less than 15 minutes from me), but I'm too lazy.  :biggrin:

Finally got to look at the overpass on DelDOT's webcams and yep, the bridge is open.

https://delawarestatenews.net/news/del-1-overpass-at-bowers-beach-road-opens/

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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on March 06, 2019, 06:49:09 PM
Looks like that Bowers Beach overpass has opened.

https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicTrafficIncidentDisplay&id=103072

http://www.wboc.com/story/40066925/little-heaven-intersection-on-route-1-makes-kent-county-travel-easier

ixnay
I'll have to check it out.  I could go out now (it's less than 15 minutes from me), but I'm too lazy.  :biggrin:

Finally got to look at the overpass on DelDOT's webcams and yep, the bridge is open.

https://delawarestatenews.net/news/del-1-overpass-at-bowers-beach-road-opens/

ixnay
They uncovered the Exit 88 sign as of yesterday evening, but northbound, "Magnolia" is still covered (photos from yesterday evening, in the first photo, in the distance you can see the new overpass open).  Clapham Road from the DE-1 SB ramp to the entrance to DE-1 is still one way southbound.
(https://i.ibb.co/nf5mNz1/IMG-4642.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J2Mtw5p)

Also, Exit 86 (DE-12, North Frederica) is now a southbound exit only.
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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 08, 2019, 02:03:21 PM
It might be time to say goodbye to DE Route 34, DelDOT looks poised to remove signage for it by this summer:

https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/FaulklandRoadDeclassificatioofDE34/pdf/Faulkland.pdf (https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/FaulklandRoadDeclassificatioofDE34/pdf/Faulkland.pdf)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 08, 2019, 02:05:23 PM
Construction on phase whatever had begun on De 141 to Expand the bridge that crosses SB I-95, they have put up construction barriers & started cutting down the trees around the overpass.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 08, 2019, 02:11:28 PM
Construction on phase whatever had begun on De 141 to Expand the bridge that crosses SB I-95, they have put up construction barriers & started cutting down the trees around the overpass.


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I was going to check out the project to figure out what this next phase is going to entail because I couldn't remember off the top of my head, but it seems DelDOT completely disabled their old project listing page in favor of the new page... which contains next to no actual detailed information or maps for any upcoming projects.

This is all the information you can get from their website now:
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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 08, 2019, 02:16:49 PM
Construction on phase whatever had begun on De 141 to Expand the bridge that crosses SB I-95, they have put up construction barriers & started cutting down the trees around the overpass.


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I was going to check out the project to figure out what this next phase is going to entail because I couldn't remember off the top of my head, but it seems DelDOT completely disabled their old project listing page in favor of the new page... which contains next to no actual detailed information or maps for any upcoming projects.

This is all the information you can get from their website now:
(https://i.imgur.com/JrqzGQm.png)
I noticed that aswell, sometimes I look on the site to check if any projects have been updated. Hopefully they fix it & its not a permanent thing.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 08, 2019, 02:45:58 PM
Construction on phase whatever had begun on De 141 to Expand the bridge that crosses SB I-95, they have put up construction barriers & started cutting down the trees around the overpass.


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I was going to check out the project to figure out what this next phase is going to entail because I couldn't remember off the top of my head, but it seems DelDOT completely disabled their old project listing page in favor of the new page... which contains next to no actual detailed information or maps for any upcoming projects...

From 2014 Presentation:  https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/i95/sr141-i95/pdfs/interchange_improvements.pdf .  More details & links: https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/i95/sr141-i95/index.shtml

Basically, adding a 3rd lane in both directions from Commons Blvd, thru 95, to the Christiana River.  Some of those improvements have begun, in part, associated with the recent project that rebuilt the 141 bridges over 95.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on March 08, 2019, 06:57:22 PM
It might be time to say goodbye to DE Route 34, DelDOT looks poised to remove signage for it by this summer:

https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/FaulklandRoadDeclassificatioofDE34/pdf/Faulkland.pdf (https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/FaulklandRoadDeclassificatioofDE34/pdf/Faulkland.pdf)
What's the last time they decommissioned an active (not Alt) route?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 08, 2019, 07:27:15 PM
It might be time to say goodbye to DE Route 34, DelDOT looks poised to remove signage for it by this summer:

https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/FaulklandRoadDeclassificatioofDE34/pdf/Faulkland.pdf (https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/FaulklandRoadDeclassificatioofDE34/pdf/Faulkland.pdf)
What's the last time they decommissioned an active (not Alt) route?

That honor belongs to DE Route 28, decommissioned in 1974 and replaced with US Route 9.

Prior to that:

TLDR: Delaware doesn't do a lot of decommissioning and when they do there's a decent chance the number will end up getting reused.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on March 08, 2019, 07:41:32 PM
It might be time to say goodbye to DE Route 34, DelDOT looks poised to remove signage for it by this summer:

https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/FaulklandRoadDeclassificatioofDE34/pdf/Faulkland.pdf (https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/FaulklandRoadDeclassificatioofDE34/pdf/Faulkland.pdf)
What's the last time they decommissioned an active (not Alt) route?

That honor belongs to DE Route 28, decommissioned in 1974 and replaced with US Route 9.

Prior to that:
  • DE Route 32 was replaced by DE Route 54 in 1969 after having only lasted a year, as DE and MD decided to sign a consistent number for the road straddling the state line.
  • DE Route 4 was replaced by DE Route 299 in 1957 then resigned 10 years later on its current alignment.
  • DE Route 30 was decommissioned in 1938 along Atlanta and Dublin Hill Roads north of Seaford and immediately recommissioned along a portion of its current alignment north of Millsboro.
  • DE Route 22 was decommissioned in 1938 having been replaced by DE Route 5 from Milton to Long Neck, and eventually DE Route 23 on the rest of the Long Neck portion.
  • DE Route 796 (cited by Alex on AAR's state route log) may have been part of what became DE Route 896 north of Newark, I remember somebody posting a picture of an old DE Route 796 rectangular shield, though I can't seem to find any sources that back up the route's existence.

TLDR: Delaware doesn't do a lot of decommissioning and when they do there's a decent chance the number will end up getting reused.
DE 30 is the only time a road was outright decommissioned instead of renumbered. I really thought there was more precedent than that.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 08, 2019, 08:03:56 PM
It might be time to say goodbye to DE Route 34, DelDOT looks poised to remove signage for it by this summer:

https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/FaulklandRoadDeclassificatioofDE34/pdf/Faulkland.pdf (https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/FaulklandRoadDeclassificatioofDE34/pdf/Faulkland.pdf)
What's the last time they decommissioned an active (not Alt) route?

That honor belongs to DE Route 28, decommissioned in 1974 and replaced with US Route 9.

Prior to that:
  • DE Route 32 was replaced by DE Route 54 in 1969 after having only lasted a year, as DE and MD decided to sign a consistent number for the road straddling the state line.
  • DE Route 4 was replaced by DE Route 299 in 1957 then resigned 10 years later on its current alignment.
  • DE Route 30 was decommissioned in 1938 along Atlanta and Dublin Hill Roads north of Seaford and immediately recommissioned along a portion of its current alignment north of Millsboro.
  • DE Route 22 was decommissioned in 1938 having been replaced by DE Route 5 from Milton to Long Neck, and eventually DE Route 23 on the rest of the Long Neck portion.
  • DE Route 796 (cited by Alex on AAR's state route log) may have been part of what became DE Route 896 north of Newark, I remember somebody posting a picture of an old DE Route 796 rectangular shield, though I can't seem to find any sources that back up the route's existence.

TLDR: Delaware doesn't do a lot of decommissioning and when they do there's a decent chance the number will end up getting reused.
DE 30 is the only time a road was outright decommissioned instead of renumbered. I really thought there was more precedent than that.
As did I. I didn't actually know about DE 30's prior alignment prior to researching this, it seems like a strange route to commission though I suppose that's why it didn't end up lasting in that condition for very long.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on March 09, 2019, 08:04:02 AM
  • DE Route 4 was replaced by DE Route 299 in 1957 then resigned 10 years later on its current alignment.

Where did the pre-1957 DE 4 run?  And what was the current DE 299 before it became DE 299?

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on March 09, 2019, 11:32:24 AM
  • DE Route 4 was replaced by DE Route 299 in 1957 then resigned 10 years later on its current alignment.

Where did the pre-1957 DE 4 run?  And what was the current DE 299 before it became DE 299?

ixnay
I think you're misreading - one and the same
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on March 09, 2019, 12:35:01 PM
Looks like that Bowers Beach overpass has opened.

https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicTrafficIncidentDisplay&id=103072

http://www.wboc.com/story/40066925/little-heaven-intersection-on-route-1-makes-kent-county-travel-easier

ixnay
I'll have to check it out.  I could go out now (it's less than 15 minutes from me), but I'm too lazy.  :biggrin:

Finally got to look at the overpass on DelDOT's webcams and yep, the bridge is open.

https://delawarestatenews.net/news/del-1-overpass-at-bowers-beach-road-opens/

ixnay
They uncovered the Exit 88 sign as of yesterday evening, but northbound, "Magnolia" is still covered (photos from yesterday evening, in the first photo, in the distance you can see the new overpass open).  Clapham Road from the DE-1 SB ramp to the entrance to DE-1 is still one way southbound.
(https://i.ibb.co/nf5mNz1/IMG-4642.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J2Mtw5p)

Also, Exit 86 (DE-12, North Frederica) is now a southbound exit only.
(https://i.ibb.co/QXtNQn0/IMG-4644.jpg) (https://ibb.co/stzwRQ7)
Nice. Now they need to convert the rest of the highway from Little Heaven to Dover into limited-access freeway to create one continuous system.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 09, 2019, 08:03:08 PM
Nice. Now they need to convert the rest of the highway from Little Heaven to Dover into limited-access freeway to create one continuous system.

That wouldn't be too difficult, there's all of one driveway, a couple of farm access points, and a sub-standard exit to contend with along that portion. I don't see anything like that happening anytime soon though. DelDOT seems more interested in simply getting the traffic moving through the choke points along DE 1 rather than a complete limited access rebuild, which I'll happily settle for as the former still gets rid of most of the headaches.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on March 09, 2019, 08:11:54 PM
Nice. Now they need to convert the rest of the highway from Little Heaven to Dover into limited-access freeway to create one continuous system.

That wouldn't be too difficult, there's all of one driveway, a couple of farm access points, and a sub-standard exit to contend with along that portion. I don't see anything like that happening anytime soon though. DelDOT seems more interested in simply getting the traffic moving through the choke points along DE 1 rather than a complete limited access rebuild, which I'll happily settle for as the former still gets rid of most of the headaches.
I agree the choke points should be the first priority. As those are completed, linking the pieces in between should be the next goal, with frontage roads, rural interchanges, etc. They'd discuss in the past shifting a freeway down the US-113 corridor heading to Salisbury, Maryland, which wouldn't be a bad idea for a US-13 build-out, along with DE-1. US 13 through Maryland is fully limited-access (with at-grade intersections) and could easily be upgraded as well. Then there's Virginia... (four-lane, non-limited-access, traffic lights scattered everywhere, narrow footprint, NIMBY heavy)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 09, 2019, 09:01:35 PM
US 13 through Maryland is fully limited-access (with at-grade intersections) and could easily be upgraded as well.


The Salisbury Bypass is limited access, but I am not sure what other parts are, maybe none.  I just took a "ride" on GMSV, and there are driveways and minor intersections all along the rest of the route, and plenty of major intersections, and no interchanges.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 09, 2019, 09:06:27 PM
Nice. Now they need to convert the rest of the highway from Little Heaven to Dover into limited-access freeway to create one continuous system.

That wouldn't be too difficult, there's all of one driveway, a couple of farm access points, and a sub-standard exit to contend with along that portion. I don't see anything like that happening anytime soon though. DelDOT seems more interested in simply getting the traffic moving through the choke points along DE 1 rather than a complete limited access rebuild, which I'll happily settle for as the former still gets rid of most of the headaches.

The issue is how many tens of millions will they need to spend to build roads to remove a few driveways from the highway?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on March 09, 2019, 09:14:35 PM
US 13 through Maryland is fully limited-access (with at-grade intersections) and could easily be upgraded as well.


The Salisbury Bypass is limited access, but I am not sure what other parts are, maybe none.  I just took a "ride" on GMSV, and there are driveways and minor intersections all along the rest of the route, and plenty of major intersections, and no interchanges.
US-13 between Pocomoke City and Salisbury has no private driveway access directly to US-13. There are numerous frontage roads which serve these properties, though again, not connecting directly to the main highway. Only public road access is permitted. (I.E. limited-access, at-grade) There's a few exceptions, but besides those, the rest follows that standard.

US-13 between Pocomoke City and Virginia however (4 miles) is non-limited-access with numerous connections, etc. The same applies to all of US-13 in Virginia.

Now, yes, the Salisbury Bypass is a limited-access freeway, but the rest is limited-access, at-grade.

A limited-access, at-grade roadway can have public roadway intersections, but prohibits private access.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on March 09, 2019, 09:27:00 PM
US 13 through Maryland is fully limited-access (with at-grade intersections) and could easily be upgraded as well.


The Salisbury Bypass is limited access, but I am not sure what other parts are, maybe none.  I just took a "ride" on GMSV, and there are driveways and minor intersections all along the rest of the route, and plenty of major intersections, and no interchanges.
US-13 between Pocomoke City and Salisbury has no private driveway access directly to US-13. There are numerous frontage roads which serve these properties, though again, not connecting directly to the main highway. Only public road access is permitted. (I.E. limited-access, at-grade) There's a few exceptions, but besides those, the rest follows that standard.

US-13 between Pocomoke City and Virginia however (4 miles) is non-limited-access with numerous connections, etc. The same applies to all of US-13 in Virginia.

Now, yes, the Salisbury Bypass is a limited-access freeway, but the rest is limited-access, at-grade.

A limited-access, at-grade roadway can have public roadway intersections, but prohibits private access.
I went to Salisbury this morning, US-13 between Salisbury and Delmar is not limited access: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.4180595,-75.565429,3a,75y,3.59h,85.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sH0WH5SdUiHl8PbiF8gjzgA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 09, 2019, 09:32:20 PM
Nice. Now they need to convert the rest of the highway from Little Heaven to Dover into limited-access freeway to create one continuous system.

That wouldn't be too difficult, there's all of one driveway, a couple of farm access points, and a sub-standard exit to contend with along that portion. I don't see anything like that happening anytime soon though. DelDOT seems more interested in simply getting the traffic moving through the choke points along DE 1 rather than a complete limited access rebuild, which I'll happily settle for as the former still gets rid of most of the headaches.

The issue is how many tens of millions will they need to spend to build roads to remove a few driveways from the highway?

Exactly, while perhaps the Dover - Little Heaven segment would be the easiest to contend with in that regard it'd take a massive expensive effort south of Little Heaven to provide new access to those homes and businesses, especially between the South Frederica interchange and Milford. I don't see them undertaking a massive effort to rework access like that until the volumes reach a certain threshold or safety becomes a bigger concern along the corridor. In the meantime they manage access control for new developments much more carefully under the Corridor Capacity Preservation Program, a good example of that being the pseudo-shopping center containing the Royal Farms and the Grotto's Pizza near the site of the future DE 14 interchange.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 09, 2019, 09:38:01 PM
Now, yes, the Salisbury Bypass is a limited-access freeway, but the rest is limited-access, at-grade.
I went to Salisbury this morning, US-13 between Salisbury and Delmar is not limited access: 

US-13 between Pocomoke City and the state line is nonlimited-access with numerous driveways and field entrances.   That and the segment between Salisbury and Delaware are nonlimited-access and the latter is rather congested.

Whether or not the other at-grade sections are limited access, I would have to go look at the highway and see and make a determination.
 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NJRoadfan on March 09, 2019, 10:26:30 PM
US-113 is setup as the limited access bypass of US-13 in MD. Delaware is trying to upgrade their segment (the proposed Millsboro and Milford bypasses) with limited success. Literature from the CBBT recommends US-113 as it has less traffic lights.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on March 09, 2019, 11:12:52 PM
I went to Salisbury this morning, US-13 between Salisbury and Delmar is not limited access: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.4180595,-75.565429,3a,75y,3.59h,85.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sH0WH5SdUiHl8PbiF8gjzgA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
US-13 between Pocomoke City and the state line is nonlimited-access with numerous driveways and field entrances.
I clearly stated between Pocomoke City and Salisbury, I didn't say anywhere else.

4 miles of US-13 from Delmar to US-50 / US-13 bypass is non-limited-access roadway
12 miles of US-13 on the Salisbury Bypass is limited-access freeway
23 miles of US-13 from the southern terminus of the Salisbury Bypass to Pocomoke City is limited-access (with a couple exceptions), at-grade
4 miles of US-13 from Pocomoke City to Virginia is non-limited-access roadway

So 8 miles is non-limited-access, and 35 miles is limited-access with a couple exceptions. Majority is limited-access, point in case.

If a DE-1 superhighway concept were extended as a toll road to Salisbury from Milford on new location, it would likely be built on new location in Maryland as well, seamlessly tying into the Salisbury Bypass. Upgrading the rest south of there is mainly on limited-access roadway, and the connection to Virginia is debatable on what even happens in Virginia. If it's a new location in Virginia, then it would likely be new location for those 4 miles in Maryland as well.

Whether or not the other at-grade sections are limited access, I would have to go look at the highway and see and make a determination.
Hard to say if it's officially declared "limited-access" right of way, though almost all of the driveway connections are handled by frontage roads which connect to the highway. There's very few direct connections however. That would make it a lot easier if upgraded to freeway standards then having numerous connecting driveway directly to US-13. The frontage roads are already there for you.

US-113 is setup as the limited access bypass of US-13 in MD. Delaware is trying to upgrade their segment (the proposed Millsboro and Milford bypasses) with limited success. Literature from the CBBT recommends US-113 as it has less traffic lights.
Certainly not limited-access as there are numerous driveway connections, however it's a nicer alternative with few lights, and more scenic IMHO (forested areas, divided highway, etc) I do agree. Most of it is four-lane, and the rest is either under construction to 4-lanes or programmed in the near future for 4-lanes I believe.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 10, 2019, 02:58:50 PM
If a DE-1 superhighway concept were extended as a toll road to Salisbury from Milford on new location, it would likely be built on new location in Maryland as well, seamlessly tying into the Salisbury Bypass. Upgrading the rest south of there is mainly on limited-access roadway, and the connection to Virginia is debatable on what even happens in Virginia. If it's a new location in Virginia, then it would likely be new location for those 4 miles in Maryland as well.

Regardless of how well built US-13 is in Maryland, Delaware has always been the obstacle.  Little if any of US-13 south of Dover would be useable for a freeway upgrade, probably all of it would need to be bypassed by a new location highway.  Much the same for US-113 south of Milford.

Delaware's priorities for corridor preservation have been 1) DE-1 south of DAFB to beaches, 2) US-113 south of Milford, and 3) US-13 south of Dover.  US-13 is at the bottom of the barrel.  Also no cross-connection between US-113 and US-13.

Delaware hasn't yet coalesced on over whether to utilize US-13 or US-113 as its future main north-south corridor, and that obviously influences what Maryland can do to coordinate with what Delaware decides sometime in the future.
 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on March 10, 2019, 04:57:37 PM
If a DE-1 superhighway concept were extended as a toll road to Salisbury from Milford on new location, it would likely be built on new location in Maryland as well, seamlessly tying into the Salisbury Bypass. Upgrading the rest south of there is mainly on limited-access roadway, and the connection to Virginia is debatable on what even happens in Virginia. If it's a new location in Virginia, then it would likely be new location for those 4 miles in Maryland as well.

Regardless of how well built US-13 is in Maryland, Delaware has always been the obstacle.  Little if any of US-13 south of Dover would be useable for a freeway upgrade, probably all of it would need to be bypassed by a new location highway.  Much the same for US-113 south of Milford.

Delaware's priorities for corridor preservation have been 1) DE-1 south of DAFB to beaches, 2) US-113 south of Milford, and 3) US-13 south of Dover.  US-13 is at the bottom of the barrel.  Also no cross-connection between US-113 and US-13.

Delaware hasn't yet coalesced on over whether to utilize US-13 or US-113 as its future main north-south corridor, and that obviously influences what Maryland can do to coordinate with what Delaware decides sometime in the future.
Obviously all of this talk for a full freeway build out is fictional, since the I-99 proposal a decade ago, it's not been discussed heavily. Delaware mentioned in the I-99 "study" they have considered constructing a parallel freeway to US 113 like they've done with US 13 in the 80s and 90s with the DE 1 superhighway. Since Delaware is interested more with US 113, and Maryland is more interested in US 13, IMHO the best option would be to build a seamless connection between the two. Basically, upgrade 6 miles of DE-1 south of Dover to freeway standards (no tolling), then at Milford, construct 42 miles of limited-access toll freeway from Milford to Salisbury, seamlessly tying into the Salisbury Bypass about half way between the US 50 eastern exit, and the US 13 northern exit, and upgrade the rest of existing US 13 down to Pocomoke City. If Virginia were to do a similar concept stretching down to the CBBT, it would likely involve an additional 66 miles of toll freeway paralleling existing US 13, tying into the existing limited-access US 13 north of the CBBT, then upgrading it to the CBBT. On the southside, Northampton Blvd is limited-access to Diamond Springs Road, and from there to I-64, that's where it gets messy.

This would involve upgrading about 35 miles of limited-access roadway, at-grade in a full freeway, about 108 miles of new location toll-freeway total, plus about 5 miles of non-limited-access upgrades in Norfolk / VA Beach (if this is even done). If you tolled at 15 cents per mile, that would be $16.20 one-way, plus $2 one-way for the 45 miles of DE-1 freeway, plus $14 one-way on the CBBT, that's $32.20 one-way for over 210 miles of freeway, bypassing the I-95 / Washington / Balitmore corridor completely.

Driving the corridor at an average of 65 MPH (the CCBT is 55 MPH, rural freeway segments in VA likely 70 MPH, freeway in Maryland & Delaware at 65 MPH), that would save about 40 minutes of the existing drive on US 13. If the state's chose to try reviving the tollway concept through VA, Maryland, and Delaware (from the failed attempts before), it could turn out to be a great investment.

Using high-balled estimates, for 108 miles of freeway at $50 million per mile, that's $5.4 billion, and for 35 miles of upgrades at $30 million per mile, $1 billion. So about $6.4 billion to create over 210 miles of freeway from Norfolk to I-95 in Wilmington, DE, which would be backed with tolling.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 10, 2019, 06:35:51 PM
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So about $6.4 billion to create over 210 miles of freeway from Norfolk to I-95 in Wilmington, DE, which would be backed with tolling.

Belongs over in Fictional Highways.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 10, 2019, 08:31:37 PM
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So about $6.4 billion to create over 210 miles of freeway from Norfolk to I-95 in Wilmington, DE, which would be backed with tolling.

Belongs over in Fictional Highways.
I wouldn’t count it out so quickly Beltway, the 301 was intalks since the 70’s & it was finally built. This might come in the next 5-10 years, especially the way they are moving with pushing De-1 South & other statements above ^.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 10, 2019, 09:14:40 PM
So about $6.4 billion to create over 210 miles of freeway from Norfolk to I-95 in Wilmington, DE, which would be backed with tolling.
Belongs over in Fictional Highways.
I wouldn’t count it out so quickly Beltway, the 301 was intalks since the 70’s & it was finally built. This might come in the next 5-10 years, especially the way they are moving with pushing De-1 South & other statements above ^.

DE US-301 is 12 miles of highway and it addressed a missing link dating at least to 1972 when all of MD US-301 was 4 lanes but Delaware did not have a 4-lane highway between there and US-13.

It was programmed in the STIP.  Anything that makes it to a STIP is not fictional.  The DE-1 improvements are also programmed in a STIP and they are heading down to the beaches, far from the US-13 corridor.

210 miles of freeway from Norfolk to I-95 in Wilmington, DE, is beyond fictional, and I see that there was no mention of the major environmental obstacles that would be encountered.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 10, 2019, 09:17:28 PM
So about $6.4 billion to create over 210 miles of freeway from Norfolk to I-95 in Wilmington, DE, which would be backed with tolling.
Belongs over in Fictional Highways.
I wouldn’t count it out so quickly Beltway, the 301 was intalks since the 70’s & it was finally built. This might come in the next 5-10 years, especially the way they are moving with pushing De-1 South & other statements above ^.

DE US-301 is 12 miles of highway and it addressed a missing link dating at least to 1972 when all of MD US-301 was 4 lanes but Delaware did not have a 4-lane highway between there and US-13.

It was programmed in the STIP.  Anything that makes it to a STIP is not fictional.  The DE-1 improvements are also programmed in a STIP and they are heading down to the beaches, far from the US-13 corridor.
Yes, and if you look on the projects website, (Atleast the old one) they have U.S. 13 in the works as well, just nothing yet. I would assume this is because of all the missing links in the populated areas, they would finish those first before trying to start a new Highway or bypass correct?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 10, 2019, 09:25:28 PM
The DE-1 improvements are also programmed in a STIP and they are heading down to the beaches, far from the US-13 corridor.
Yes, and if you look on the projects website, (Atleast the old one) they have U.S. 13 in the works as well, just nothing yet. I would assume this is because of all the missing links in the populated areas, they would finish those first before trying to start a new Highway or bypass correct?

It is in Corridor Preservation and as I said the third priority after DE-1 and US-113.  Corridor Preservation as DelDOT defines it could range from access management studies to improve at-grade access and driveway consolidation, up to something much higher such as the interchanges they are building on DE-1.

DelDOT also is studying at least one east-west route, that being Route 404, since Maryland has now 4-laned most of theirs, and Delaware may want to follow suit to help the east-west beach traffic.

So DelDOT already has a full plate in its STIP.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 10, 2019, 09:32:19 PM
The DE-1 improvements are also programmed in a STIP and they are heading down to the beaches, far from the US-13 corridor.
Yes, and if you look on the projects website, (Atleast the old one) they have U.S. 13 in the works as well, just nothing yet. I would assume this is because of all the missing links in the populated areas, they would finish those first before trying to start a new Highway or bypass correct?

It is in Corridor Preservation and as I said the third priority after DE-1 and US-113.  Corridor Preservation as DelDOT defines it could range from access management studies to improve at-grade access and driveway consolidation, up to something much higher such as the interchanges they are building on DE-1.

DelDOT also is studying at least one east-west route, that being Route 404, since Maryland has now 4-laned most of theirs, and Delaware may want to follow suit to help the east-west beach traffic.

So DelDOT already has a full plate in its STIP.
It was in projects. It could be in in there, Ill look around.

Why is it taking so long for them to get stuff done? Does Deldot have a shortage of workers? Do they need to expand in order to get this sh*t done?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 10, 2019, 09:33:51 PM
So DelDOT already has a full plate in its STIP.
It was in projects. It could be in in there, Ill look around.
Why is it taking so long for them to get stuff done? Does Deldot have a shortage of workers? Do they need to expand in order to get this sh*t done?

Highway construction has always been expensive, but especially so in the last 10 to 15 years. 

$400 million to build the US-301 tollroad.
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 10, 2019, 09:38:09 PM
So DelDOT already has a full plate in its STIP.
It was in projects. It could be in in there, Ill look around.
Why is it taking so long for them to get stuff done? Does Deldot have a shortage of workers? Do they need to expand in order to get this sh*t done?

Highway construction has always been expensive, but especially so in the last 10 to 15 years. 

$400 million to build the US-301 tollroad.
I know, those prices are crazy. But it seems like back in the day, they built these roads so fast & now it takes 15 years just to get everyone to agree. Can the people just let certain areas be built to handle the traffic it needs to handle & they  can go live in the areas where the highway & big roads that scare them aren’t.


The same people that complain about roads in Delaware are the same people who want them improved, either get a horse or drive a car, the choice is yours.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 10, 2019, 09:42:34 PM
$400 million to build the US-301 tollroad.
I know, those prices are crazy. But it seems like back in the day, they built these roads so fast & now it takes 15 years just to get everyone to agree. Can the people just let certain areas be built to handle the traffic it needs to handle & they  can go live in the areas where the highway & big roads that scare them aren’t.
The same people that complain about roads in Delaware are the same people who want them improved, either get a horse or drive a car, the choice is yours.

The DE-1 "Relief Route" took 15 years to build.  Engineering started in 1983, construction in 1988, all completed by 2003.  51 miles of highway at $900 million.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 10, 2019, 09:45:24 PM
$400 million to build the US-301 tollroad.
I know, those prices are crazy. But it seems like back in the day, they built these roads so fast & now it takes 15 years just to get everyone to agree. Can the people just let certain areas be built to handle the traffic it needs to handle & they  can go live in the areas where the highway & big roads that scare them aren’t.
The same people that complain about roads in Delaware are the same people who want them improved, either get a horse or drive a car, the choice is yours.

The DE-1 "Relief Route" took 15 years to build.  Engineering started in 1983, construction in 1988, all completed by 2003.  51 miles of highway at $900 million.
Which section? Because I know it was built in different times. You are talking about the portion from Christiana mall to Middletown?

900 Million sheesh. How much money would they have saved/made if they would have built the whole highway from top to bottom with tolls ?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on March 10, 2019, 09:52:22 PM
210 miles of freeway from Norfolk to I-95 in Wilmington, DE, is beyond fictional, and I see that there was no mention of the major environmental obstacles that would be encountered.
The only real "issues" would be in Virginia, it's a narrow peninsula with not all the room in the world to build. It's likely possible though if an effort was put into doing it. New alignments could hug the old road in many areas, and be an upgrade of the existing road in others. Not the easiest build, but certainly possible. Delaware is studying a limited-access corridor, and Maryland's is already mostly limited-access, at-grade.

It is in Corridor Preservation and as I said the third priority after DE-1 and US-113.  Corridor Preservation as DelDOT defines it could range from access management studies to improve at-grade access and driveway consolidation, up to something much higher such as the interchanges they are building on DE-1.

DelDOT also is studying at least one east-west route, that being Route 404, since Maryland has now 4-laned most of theirs, and Delaware may want to follow suit to help the east-west beach traffic.

So DelDOT already has a full plate in its STIP.
https://www.deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T200212701#project-details1

US 113, North / South Improvements

"This project will continue to work on viable alternatives for a limited access highway throughout Sussex County to address existing and future transportation needs along US 113 while preserving environmental and historic resources and accommodating planned economic growth. The expectation is that Ellendale Area will be an Environmental Assessment (EA) project, the Georgetown Area will be an EA project, and the Millsboro through Selbyville Area will be an Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) project. Milford will be an EIS Project as well."

It's on the long range plans, it's not "fictional" anyways throughout Delaware. Sussex County stretches from DE-1 down to Maryland, and includes both the US-13 and US-113 corridor.

Which section? Because I know it was built in different times. You are talking about the portion from Christiana mall to Middletown?
https://goo.gl/ABjZEk

Interactive maps with different opening dates. Click on each segment to see the date.

900 Million sheesh. How much money would they have saved/made if they would have built the whole highway from top to bottom with tolls ?
The southern part is tolled, it costs $2 on weekdays and $6 on weekends to drive the entire corridor. The northern part is a heavy local route as well, therefore there's not tolls around those locations.

It would not have saved any money, it still would have cost the same either way.
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 10, 2019, 09:55:52 PM
210 miles of freeway from Norfolk to I-95 in Wilmington, DE, is beyond fictional, and I see that there was no mention of the major environmental obstacles that would be encountered.
The only real "issues" would be in Virginia, it's a narrow peninsula with not all the room in the world to build. It's likely possible though if an effort was put into doing it. New alignments could hug the old road in many ways, and be an exact upgrade of the existing road in others. Not the easiest build, but certainly possible. Delaware is studying a limited-access corridor, and Maryland's is already mostly limited-access, at-grade.

It is in Corridor Preservation and as I said the third priority after DE-1 and US-113.  Corridor Preservation as DelDOT defines it could range from access management studies to improve at-grade access and driveway consolidation, up to something much higher such as the interchanges they are building on DE-1.

DelDOT also is studying at least one east-west route, that being Route 404, since Maryland has now 4-laned most of theirs, and Delaware may want to follow suit to help the east-west beach traffic.

So DelDOT already has a full plate in its STIP.
https://www.deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T200212701#project-details1

US 113, North / South Improvements

"This project will continue to work on viable alternatives for a limited access highway throughout Sussex County to address existing and future transportation needs along US 113 while preserving environmental and historic resources and accommodating planned economic growth. The expectation is that Ellendale Area will be an Environmental Assessment (EA) project, the Georgetown Area will be an EA project, and the Millsboro through Selbyville Area will be an Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) project. Milford will be an EIS Project as well."

It's on the long range plans, it's not "fictional" anyways throughout Delaware. Sussex County stretches from DE-1 down to Maryland, and includes both the US-13 and US-113 corridor.

Which section? Because I know it was built in different times. You are talking about the portion from Christiana mall to Middletown?
https://goo.gl/ABjZEk

Interactive maps with different opening dates. Click on each segment to see the date.

900 Million sheesh. How much money would they have saved/made if they would have built the whole highway from top to bottom with tolls ?
The southern part is tolled, it costs $2 on weekdays and $6 on weekends to drive the entire corridor. The northern part is a heavy local route as well, therefore there's not tolls around those locations.

It would not have saved any money, it still would have cost the same either way.
I know which sections are tolled, Im saying if the highway were built past where it ends at its new location, to wherever an ending point would be at the bottom of De. Delaware could have made more money because people would take De-1 instead of Us-13 or Us-113.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 10, 2019, 10:02:01 PM
210 miles of freeway from Norfolk to I-95 in Wilmington, DE, is beyond fictional, and I see that there was no mention of the major environmental obstacles that would be encountered.
US 113, North / South Improvements
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It's on the long range plans, it's not "fictional" anyways throughout Delaware.

It's fictional.  Take it to Fictional Highways.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on March 10, 2019, 10:06:19 PM
It's fictional.  Take it to Fictional Highways.
Not fictional through Delaware. I'll stop discussing Virginia and Maryland if it will make you happy (oh who am I kidding anything I discuss won't make you happy) but I've already proven it's on the long-range plans & has been discussed in Delaware.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 10, 2019, 10:55:05 PM
US 113, North / South Improvements

"This project will continue to work on viable alternatives for a limited access highway throughout Sussex County to address existing and future transportation needs along US 113 while preserving environmental and historic resources and accommodating planned economic growth. The expectation is that Ellendale Area will be an Environmental Assessment (EA) project, the Georgetown Area will be an EA project, and the Millsboro through Selbyville Area will be an Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) project. Milford will be an EIS Project as well."

It's on the long range plans, it's not "fictional" anyways throughout Delaware. Sussex County stretches from DE-1 down to Maryland, and includes both the US-13 and US-113 corridor.

The US 113 project as you understand it is dead in the water for the time being and is not on long range plans. The information you see on DelDOT's website is extremely out-of-date, and their new project page format eliminated all of the following, more recent information: Milford and Lincoln killed their section off years ago and Millsboro killed off their bypass 4-ish years ago. All that remains are sporadic interchange construction projects in problem areas, a widening project in Millsboro, and a neutered northern bypass of Millsboro for DE Route 24. There are no cohesive long range plans for a freeway facility along the entirety of US 113, let alone even part of it. If something like this were to be resurrected it would take literal decades before construction began unless an inordinate amount of cash from an outside source was siphoned into it.

EDIT: I take back what I said about long range plans, DelDOT still has a line for it in their budget for FY20 - FY25, though they only plan on spending on ROW for the next five years. I have no idea what their plan for this is. They've been splitting out individual projects from the North / South Study in the wake of the freeway proposals getting knocked down, so I don't know if they've gone back to the drawing board to try and work on a corridor-wide on-alignment reconstruction or what. They have construction pegged at $180,000,000 for this "project", so something to watch for I guess...?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 10, 2019, 11:05:32 PM
So DelDOT already has a full plate in its STIP.
It was in projects. It could be in in there, Ill look around.
Why is it taking so long for them to get stuff done? Does Deldot have a shortage of workers? Do they need to expand in order to get this sh*t done?

Highway construction has always been expensive, but especially so in the last 10 to 15 years. 

$400 million to build the US-301 tollroad.
I know, those prices are crazy. But it seems like back in the day, they built these roads so fast & now it takes 15 years just to get everyone to agree. Can the people just let certain areas be built to handle the traffic it needs to handle & they  can go live in the areas where the highway & big roads that scare them aren’t.


The same people that complain about roads in Delaware are the same people who want them improved, either get a horse or drive a car, the choice is yours.


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While it seems that way, many plans took years or decades before they became reality. When you look back, especially before you were alive, it appears everything went fast. In reality, projects like a Route 1 moved very slowly. No doubt if you were around in the 1980's you would've question and argued the point of building Rt. 1 from Smyrna to Dover first, rather than from 95 to Smyrna. But today, you look back and act as if it was one quick process in which it was done seamlessly and effortlessly.

And today, we have many more regulations than we did in the past...Which requires a lot more time to complete. You may think that's a bad idea...but then again these are the same regs that make sure you're not inhaling asbestos and lead paint from your walls.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 10, 2019, 11:22:02 PM


While it seems that way, many plans took years or decades before they became reality. When you look back, especially before you were alive, it appears everything went fast. In reality, projects like a Route 1 moved very slowly. No doubt if you were around in the 1980's you would've question and argued the point of building Rt. 1 from Smyrna to Dover first, rather than from 95 to Smyrna. But today, you look back and act as if it was one quick process in which it was done seamlessly and effortlessly.

And today, we have many more regulations than we did in the past...Which requires a lot more time to complete. You may think that's a bad idea...but then again these are the same regs that make sure you're not inhaling asbestos and lead paint from your walls.

True. That does make sense, I did think of the new regulations that are in place. Which does help in the long run.


& I’m sorry did you just say they built Route 1 from Smyrna to Dover? Not 95 To Dover? I see on the map posted above it was not built at the same time & very questionable aswell. Good thing I wasn’t around . I woulda caused a ruckus.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 11, 2019, 09:43:29 PM
The US 113 project as you understand it is dead in the water for the time being and is not on long range plans. The information you see on DelDOT's website is extremely out-of-date, and their new project page format eliminated all of the following, more recent information: Milford and Lincoln killed their section off years ago and Millsboro killed off their bypass 4-ish years ago. All that remains are sporadic interchange construction projects in problem areas, a widening project in Millsboro, and a neutered northern bypass of Millsboro for DE Route 24. There are no cohesive long range plans for a freeway facility along the entirety of US 113, let alone even part of it. If something like this were to be resurrected it would take literal decades before construction began unless an inordinate amount of cash from an outside source was siphoned into it.
EDIT: I take back what I said about long range plans, DelDOT still has a line for it in their budget for FY20 - FY25, though they only plan on spending on ROW for the next five years.

So what exactly are DelDOT's current plans for north-south highway improvements?   DE-1 is clearly high on the list as a vital corridor to Delaware, with the segments south of DAFB to the beaches receiving improvements including new interchanges.

Delaware has completed 4-lane north-south Delmarva corridors with US-13 and US-113, and Maryland's final segments of US-113 will bring that whole corridor up to a 4-lane standard.

DelDOT also is studying at least one east-west route, that being DE-404, since Maryland has now 4-laned most of theirs, and Delaware wants to follow suit to help the east-west beach traffic.  Bringing a busy 2-lane corridor up to a 4-lane standard is a much higher priority than addressing US-13 and US-113 which already provide two ample north-south 4-lane corridors in Delaware.

The Delmarva is like certain Canadian provinces that utilize 4-lane at-grade highways for the long distance routes.  I noticed this back in 1972 when I first started driving there.  The strategy has been to build more of those type highways rather than build a central freeway or two.

I mapped out a proposal back then to build a beach freeway between the Bay Bridge and the beaches.  Dunno if it ever will come to fruition.
 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on March 11, 2019, 10:17:49 PM
DE-1 is clearly high on the list as a vital corridor to Delaware, with the segments south of DAFB to the beaches receiving improvements including new interchanges.
I think the highest priority for DE-1 is bringing up to "expressway" standards, a non-limited-access roadway but with no traffic signals to impede traffic flow. That's what all the grade-separation and interchange projects are accomplishing.

Bringing a busy 2-lane corridor up to a 4-lane standard is a much higher priority than addressing US-13 and US-113 which already provide two ample north-south 4-lane corridors in Delaware.
Then why were the rural segments of the DE-1 superhighway completed? Between Dover and Smyrna (5 miles), Smyrna to Odessa (10 miles), and Odessa to St. Georges (10 miles), 4-lane rural non-limited-access US 13 existed at mainly 55 MPH. Besides from the town bypasses, one could argue building DE-1 as one continuous freeway wasn't needed, for the same reasons you're arguing a freeway in the US-13 / US-113 corridor is not needed. A lot of traffic signals and towns impede US-13 south of Dover, and some, but less so, for US-113. It's kind of in the same boat US-13 was north of Dover before the superhighway was built. 4-lane rural highway passing thru towns with traffic signals.

I do agree though that 4-laning a 2-lane corridor is more important than freeway-ing a four-lane corridor, but it's not "not needed", just less of a priority and should be built after the 2-lane widening is completed.

The Delmarva is like certain Canadian provinces that utilize 4-lane at-grade highways for the long distance routes.  I noticed this back in 1972 when I first started driving there.  The strategy has been to build more of those type highways rather than build a central freeway or two.
Debatable, but the DE-1 superhighway begs to differ. US-13 between Dover and St. Georges is in the same condition as US-13 is south of Dover. Just with no 65 MPH limited-access freeway paralleling it. If a freeway parallel to US-13 from Dover northward was arguable and justified enough that it was actually constructed, the same could occur south of there in the future for the same reasons.

I mapped out a proposal back then to build a beach freeway between the Bay Bridge and the beaches.  Dunno if it ever will come to fruition.
An interesting concept. I think the biggest priority should be 4-lane the Ocean City Expressway, then upgrade the limited-access, at-grade roadway to Salisbury. North of there is more of a task.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 11, 2019, 10:26:28 PM
Bringing a busy 2-lane corridor up to a 4-lane standard is a much higher priority than addressing US-13 and US-113 which already provide two ample north-south 4-lane corridors in Delaware.
Then why were the rural segments of the DE-1 superhighway completed? Between Dover and Smyrna (5 miles), Smyrna to Odessa (10 miles), and Odessa to St. Georges (10 miles), 4-lane rural non-limited-access US 13 existed at mainly 55 MPH. Besides from the town bypasses, one could argue building DE-1 as one continuous freeway wasn't needed, for the same reasons you're arguing a freeway in the US-13 / US-113 corridor is not needed. A lot of traffic signals and towns impede US-13 south of Dover, and some, but less so, for US-113. It's kind of in the same boat US-13 was north of Dover before the superhighway was built. 4-lane rural highway passing thru towns with traffic signals.

Did you ever drive it back then?  It was overloaded, especially on summer weekends and holidays, the St. Georges Bridge was especially problematic, and the old US-13 Dover Bypass was all developed alongside and had poor traffic handling ability.

Traffic volumes south of Dover on US-13 were much lower and even today between US-13 and DE-1/US-113 these highways operate well enough.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on March 11, 2019, 10:47:53 PM
Did you ever drive it back then?  It was overloaded, especially on summer weekends and holidays, the St. Georges Bridge was especially problematic, and the old US-13 Dover Bypass was all developed alongside and had poor traffic handling ability.
Building town bypasses up to freeway-standards is one thing. What's happening on DE-1 down to the beaches to convert it into "expressway" with non-limited-access four-lane highway with no signals but rather interchanges is also one thing. Constructing a rural four-lane freeway parallel to a four-lane rural roadway with no traffic signals is different. It allows traffic to flow faster, being 65 MPH over 55 MPH, but when we're talking rural stretches with no signals, it's not much different.

I never mentioned the bridge and north of there, I understand the need for freeway beyond there. But like I mentioned, 10 mile stretches between towns south of there where you have four-lane freeway and four lane rural divided highway running side by side. I mean, tying limited-access bypasses into those rural stretches would have had almost the same benefit, and also a lot cheaper.

I'm not saying the freeway is useless, I agree it's a nice thing to have. But in the matter of trying to prove this point, it would have also served fine in rural stretches w/ no signals to impede traffic.

Traffic volumes south of Dover on US-13 were much lower and even today between US-13 and DE-1/US-113 these highways operate well enough.
It's certainly growing. US-13 and US-113 have about 30,000 AADT from Dover southwards to Maryland. The signals can cause some recurring congestion as well. Certainly the volumes warrant a  freeway build, or at least an expressway build, with no signals. Though a full freeway would be the most ideal, clearly they thought so on the Dover northward portion, instead of freeway bypasses and non-limited-access, expressway in the rural sections.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 11, 2019, 11:59:11 PM
Did you ever drive it back then?  It was overloaded, especially on summer weekends and holidays, the St. Georges Bridge was especially problematic, and the old US-13 Dover Bypass was all developed alongside and had poor traffic handling ability.
Building town bypasses up to freeway-standards is one thing. What's happening on DE-1 down to the beaches to convert it into "expressway" with non-limited-access four-lane highway with no signals but rather interchanges is also one thing. Constructing a rural four-lane freeway parallel to a four-lane rural roadway with no traffic signals is different. It allows traffic to flow faster, being 65 MPH over 55 MPH, but when we're talking rural stretches with no signals, it's not much different.

Odessa and Smyrna have urban sections and signals and needed to be bypassed, and there are other signals between Odessa and Dover.

The lowest AADT today on the DE-1 "Relief Route" exceeds 36,000 and that is even with the old US-13 remaining in place.  Some parts have double that or more.  That is a highway that could clearly warrant a designation such as I-195.

Traffic volumes south of Dover on US-13 were much lower and even today between US-13 and DE-1/US-113 these highways operate well enough.
It's certainly growing. US-13 and US-113 have about 30,000 AADT from Dover southwards to Maryland. The signals can cause some recurring congestion as well. Certainly the volumes warrant a  freeway build, or at least an expressway build, with no signals. Though a full freeway would be the most ideal, clearly they thought so on the Dover northward portion, instead of freeway bypasses and non-limited-access, expressway in the rural sections.

US-113 trends down to the upper teens in some places and US-13 trends down to the lower twenties in some places.

The US-13 route and the US-113/DE-1 routes south of Dover down to where US-13 and US-113 join are almost equal in time and distance, about 2 miles and 2 minutes different.  When the last projects in Maryland are complete then US-113 may become the preferred route.  Either way, will be two north-south 4-lane corridors. 

Like I said, Saskatchewan or Manitoba, systems of at-grade 4-lane highways with a few short freeway segments.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 12, 2019, 02:10:58 AM
So what exactly are DelDOT's current plans for north-south highway improvements?

At the moment they're at the drawing board figuring that out I suppose. Things aren't too bad now on US 13 and US 113 outside of a few hotspots during beach season, but I know they'd certainly like to get ahead of the curve and get a limited-access highway built before the county fills in with new development and traffic gets irreparably bad.

DelDOT also is studying at least one east-west route, that being DE-404, since Maryland has now 4-laned most of theirs, and Delaware wants to follow suit to help the east-west beach traffic.  Bringing a busy 2-lane corridor up to a 4-lane standard is a much higher priority than addressing US-13 and US-113 which already provide two ample north-south 4-lane corridors in Delaware.

Are they? I've always thought such an east-west corridor was something the state needed but to date I don't think I've seen DelDOT acknowledge that by looking deeper into sweeping improvements for DE 404.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 12, 2019, 06:41:46 AM
So what exactly are DelDOT's current plans for north-south highway improvements?
At the moment they're at the drawing board figuring that out I suppose. Things aren't too bad now on US 13 and US 113 outside of a few hotspots during beach season, but I know they'd certainly like to get ahead of the curve and get a limited-access highway built before the county fills in with new development and traffic gets irreparably bad.

Looking for actual official studies.  Official studies for Dover Extension of the Delaware Turnpike went back to 1971.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on March 12, 2019, 04:54:29 PM
So what exactly are DelDOT's current plans for north-south highway improvements?
At the moment they're at the drawing board figuring that out I suppose. Things aren't too bad now on US 13 and US 113 outside of a few hotspots during beach season, but I know they'd certainly like to get ahead of the curve and get a limited-access highway built before the county fills in with new development and traffic gets irreparably bad.

Looking for actual official studies.  Official studies for Dover Extension of the Delaware Turnpike went back to 1971.
https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us113/
https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us113/pdf/113-Roll-Map-Preferred.pdf

Currently they're looking to upgrade US 113 between south of Milford to Millsboro (18 miles) to interstate standards. Nothing planned for Milford and Millsboro specifically, due to opposition blocking previous studies & preferred alignments.

It's not fictional as you've claimed umpteenth times, this has been fully studied from Maryland to Milford, though only the segment between the two is the real focus currently. The towns may be bypassed in the future if the rural segment is constructed to create a continuous system.

US-113 trends down to the upper teens in some places and US-13 trends down to the lower twenties in some places.
The long-distance nature of the corridor, and those volumes alone warrant freeway. Back down here in Virginia, you've stated that while I-73 isn't a priority, it should come eventually, and that corridor gets max 13,000 AADT in some locations. You've also supported I-42 in NC, which gets about 20,000 AADT, less in some areas.

This isn't "fictional", "vanity", "baloney", or whatever words you want to slap to it.

I understand a freeway along US 13 or US 113 isn't a priority, though it's certainly bound to happen in the future. As mentioned above, an 18 mile stretch of US 113 is on Delaware's radar to be upgraded to interstate standards in the near future, and could lead to additional segments down to Maryland, and to DE 1 being constructed, those being on new location likely. Maryland may due, or at least study similar upgrades to US 113 in the future to freeway if Delaware indeed comes to their doorstep in 10-15 years.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 12, 2019, 06:38:56 PM
Looking for actual official studies.  Official studies for Dover Extension of the Delaware Turnpike went back to 1971.
https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us113/
https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us113/pdf/113-Roll-Map-Preferred.pdf
Currently they're looking to upgrade US 113 between south of Milford to Millsboro (18 miles) to interstate standards. Nothing planned for Milford and Millsboro specifically, due to opposition blocking previous studies & preferred alignments.

We were told by a Delaware poster that DelDOT website material for US-113 and US-13 is way out of date and that nearly all proposals have been canceled.

Now it is sad that they would leave obsolete material on their website but they apparently have.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on March 12, 2019, 06:47:10 PM
Looking for actual official studies.  Official studies for Dover Extension of the Delaware Turnpike went back to 1971.
https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us113/ (https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us113/)
https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us113/pdf/113-Roll-Map-Preferred.pdf (https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us113/pdf/113-Roll-Map-Preferred.pdf)
Currently they're looking to upgrade US 113 between south of Milford to Millsboro (18 miles) to interstate standards. Nothing planned for Milford and Millsboro specifically, due to opposition blocking previous studies & preferred alignments.

We were told by a Delaware poster that DelDOT website material for US-113 and US-13 is way out of date and that nearly all proposals have been canceled.

Now it is sad that they would leave obsolete material on their website but they apparently have.
Delaware poster is not DelDOT officially, not to mention that at least there is a factual source.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 12, 2019, 06:49:21 PM
Looking for actual official studies.  Official studies for Dover Extension of the Delaware Turnpike went back to 1971.
https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us113/
https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us113/pdf/113-Roll-Map-Preferred.pdf
Currently they're looking to upgrade US 113 between south of Milford to Millsboro (18 miles) to interstate standards. Nothing planned for Milford and Millsboro specifically, due to opposition blocking previous studies & preferred alignments.

We were told by a Delaware poster that DelDOT website material for US-113 and US-13 is way out of date and that nearly all proposals have been canceled.

Now it is sad that they would leave obsolete material on their website but they apparently have.
How many projects will Lower Slower Delaware Residents kill off? They do not whatsoever want sprawl to come down there, and I understand. But there comes a time when you need to upgrade for everyone.


This is what Im talking about when I say only certain “Parties”  control what goes on. These projects are supposed to move long commuting traffic & short commuting traffic. But these people dont want a highway anywhere near their towns-NOT EVEN A BYPASS?! I think congress of Delaware would have to sign a bill in order to get a full De-1 all the way through the state at this rate. Its not fair for everyone & then they complain about beach traffic. Its a shame what we have to do to get things done.


This is why Delaware is losing opportunities, because people only think about their selves. Very very selfish.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on March 12, 2019, 06:53:40 PM
Looking for actual official studies.  Official studies for Dover Extension of the Delaware Turnpike went back to 1971.
https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us113/
https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us113/pdf/113-Roll-Map-Preferred.pdf
Currently they're looking to upgrade US 113 between south of Milford to Millsboro (18 miles) to interstate standards. Nothing planned for Milford and Millsboro specifically, due to opposition blocking previous studies & preferred alignments.

We were told by a Delaware poster that DelDOT website material for US-113 and US-13 is way out of date and that nearly all proposals have been canceled.

Now it is sad that they would leave obsolete material on their website but they apparently have.
The US 113 project as you understand it is dead in the water for the time being and is not on long range plans. The information you see on DelDOT's website is extremely out-of-date, and their new project page format eliminated all of the following, more recent information: Milford and Lincoln killed their section off years ago and Millsboro killed off their bypass 4-ish years ago. All that remains are sporadic interchange construction projects in problem areas, a widening project in Millsboro, and a neutered northern bypass of Millsboro for DE Route 24. There are no cohesive long range plans for a freeway facility along the entirety of US 113, let alone even part of it. If something like this were to be resurrected it would take literal decades before construction began unless an inordinate amount of cash from an outside source was siphoned into it.

This was the post. Projects in Milford and Lincoln were eliminated (bypasses), and Millsboro has extremely reduced the size of their bypass to about 4 miles, and now only 2-lane with a couple at-grade intersections simply serve DE Route 24. Older plans were for that small bypass to be a larger, 4-lane freeway bypass all the way down to the Maryland state line.

The rural segment between Lincoln and Millsboro is still on the plan, about 18 miles. The plan with all the interchanges & frontage roads I linked was from November 2017. Certainly not "way out of date". Also note this about the same poster's post.

EDIT: I take back what I said about long range plans, DelDOT still has a line for it in their budget for FY20 - FY25, though they only plan on spending on ROW for the next five years. I have no idea what their plan for this is. They've been splitting out individual projects from the North / South Study in the wake of the freeway proposals getting knocked down, so I don't know if they've gone back to the drawing board to try and work on a corridor-wide on-alignment reconstruction or what. They have construction pegged at $180,000,000 for this "project", so something to watch for I guess...?

So if the rural segment is going to built, I could certainly see revised and realigned versions of the previously canceled bypasses being revived once again, because at that point it's not a "town bypass", it's simply a continuous freeway passing near the town and providing interchanges for access.

How many projects will Lower Slower Delaware Residents kill off? They do not whatsoever want sprawl to come down there, and I understand. But there comes a time when you need to upgrade for everyone.

This is what Im talking about when I say only certain “Parties”  control what goes on. These projects are supposed to move long commuting traffic & short commuting traffic. But these people dont want a highway anywhere near their towns-NOT EVEN A BYPASS?! I think congress of Delaware would have to sign a bill in order to get a full De-1 all the way through the state at this rate. Its not fair for everyone & then they complain about beach traffic. Its a shame what we have to do to get things done.


This is why Delaware is losing opportunities, because people only think about their selves. Very very selfish.
It's real bad. They've killed the urban bypasses of a US-113 freeway from Milford to Maryland, leaving only an 18 mile stretch of rural freeway remaining. They complain about traffic, so when DelDOT says hey, we'll construct a US-113 freeway to get rid of the problems, they cry and complain. Even better, so when DelDOT proposes urban solutions (which aren't really a true fix, that's what a bypass is for), they still complain, no it removes access to my business, etc. They want their problems fixed, but when people try to fix them, they don't like it. DelDOT needs to just move forward and build the bypasses, and it will end up being for the better in the end despite initial opposition.

Reminds me of Charlottesville, VA.

Like I mentioned above, if a rural 18 miles of US-113 freeway is built, I could certainly see the bypasses being revived in one way or another because they will be more of a need by that point, rather instead of being simply a "town bypass", it's more of a continuous freeway passing near the town with interchanges for access.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 12, 2019, 07:42:51 PM
Looking for actual official studies.  Official studies for Dover Extension of the Delaware Turnpike went back to 1971.
https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us113/
https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us113/pdf/113-Roll-Map-Preferred.pdf
Currently they're looking to upgrade US 113 between south of Milford to Millsboro (18 miles) to interstate standards. Nothing planned for Milford and Millsboro specifically, due to opposition blocking previous studies & preferred alignments.

We were told by a Delaware poster that DelDOT website material for US-113 and US-13 is way out of date and that nearly all proposals have been canceled.

Now it is sad that they would leave obsolete material on their website but they apparently have.

The links sprjus4 posted are what's more up to date, they were put up on the old project portal within the last year-ish but aren't directly accessible now from the new project portal. The new project portal has a super general description that I'm fairly certain is what they've been using for the project for quite a while now. But of course as Alps said, I'm not DelDOT and they could be completely reworking everything such that a brand new freeway might be on the table within a few years or that the 2017 roll map is all we're getting, who knows.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 12, 2019, 09:25:30 PM
We were told by a Delaware poster that DelDOT website material for US-113 and US-13 is way out of date and that nearly all proposals have been canceled.
Now it is sad that they would leave obsolete material on their website but they apparently have.
The links sprjus4 posted are what's more up to date, they were put up on the old project portal within the last year-ish but aren't directly accessible now from the new project portal. The new project portal has a super general description that I'm fairly certain is what they've been using for the project for quite a while now. But of course as Alps said, I'm not DelDOT and they could be completely reworking everything such that a brand new freeway might be on the table within a few years or that the 2017 roll map is all we're getting, who knows.

OK, I can accept those explanations, but I still find the DelDOT links posted to be confusing and not very coherent, and most of them didn't cite any final decision; and why chop US-113 into 5 segments and not have one EIS/location study for the whole corridor?

Like I said, I followed the DE-1 "Relief Route" from its early planning stages and there was always a concise and well-organized project plan for the route.  The US-113 material has little in comparison.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on March 12, 2019, 10:05:31 PM
We were told by a Delaware poster that DelDOT website material for US-113 and US-13 is way out of date and that nearly all proposals have been canceled.
Now it is sad that they would leave obsolete material on their website but they apparently have.
The links sprjus4 posted are what's more up to date, they were put up on the old project portal within the last year-ish but aren't directly accessible now from the new project portal. The new project portal has a super general description that I'm fairly certain is what they've been using for the project for quite a while now. But of course as Alps said, I'm not DelDOT and they could be completely reworking everything such that a brand new freeway might be on the table within a few years or that the 2017 roll map is all we're getting, who knows.

OK, I can accept those explanations, but I still find the DelDOT links posted to be confusing and not very coherent, and most of them didn't cite any final decision; and why chop US-113 into 5 segments and not have one EIS/location study for the whole corridor?

Like I said, I followed the DE-1 "Relief Route" from its early planning stages and there was always a concise and well-organized project plan for the route.  The US-113 material has little in comparison.
The intent was to have an entire freeway built on the entire US-113 corridor from Milford to Maryland, however due to community opposition, and really a careless mindset the towns have to enhancing the US-113 corridor, the project has been split into four separate ones to address issues in each locality, and the goal to have a full freeway from Maryland to Milford has decreased slightly, though that 18 mile rural stretch is still being considered.

https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us113/

While this page has a lot of outdated material, it provides a good idea of what the original intents were before the towns and communities decided to block the proposals.

The older project overview for the study was -

"The overall purpose of the US 113 North/South Study is to identify an alignment for a continuous limited access roadway from the Maryland/Delaware state line north to SR 1 north of the City of Milford, a total distance of approximately 40 miles. When completed, there will be a north-south limited access highway throughout the state of Delaware. The study also identifies improvements to major east/west routes."

It also indicates that this would be a long-range proposal,  so it could still indeed be on the long-term plan for the next 10 - 20 years. There's no updated information on that however.

"The short-term purpose of this project is to identify, select, and protect an alignment for a limited access US 113 highway through Sussex County. While the road will not be built at this time, choosing the alignment will enable DelDOT to protect the alignment until both need and available funds dictate the timing of construction. This project will provide a road that serves regional and seasonal traffic to points north and south while addressing future local traffic needs. Separating local from through traffic will help to facilitate the current, planned and projected development in Sussex County and its municipalities."

To answer the last question about the US-13 Relief Route study in the 70s and 80s, the US 113 study originally had a set end-goal, which is a limited-access freeway from Milford to Maryland. The only issue that is because of community opposition, instead of working with the communities and coming up with realignments and different alternatives to best fit their needs and desires like was done with the US 13 Relief Route / DE 1 superhighway, they've decided to just drop freeway plans completely in those areas, while keeping them in the rural areas.

Delaware DOT also has a new page (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T200212701#project-details1|travel-tab2[/url) which appears would re-evaluate this entire corridor once again based on the previous NEPA studies. The page is extremely unclear as to what the scope of this new study / EIS is really out to do. Continue to appeal to the towns with local improvements, or a full-freeway / long-range solution build out like originally intended. It indicates -

"This project will continue to work on viable alternatives for a limited access highway throughout Sussex County to address existing and future transportation needs along US 113 while preserving environmental and historic resources and accommodating planned economic growth."
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 12, 2019, 10:06:30 PM
We were told by a Delaware poster that DelDOT website material for US-113 and US-13 is way out of date and that nearly all proposals have been canceled.
Now it is sad that they would leave obsolete material on their website but they apparently have.
The links sprjus4 posted are what's more up to date, they were put up on the old project portal within the last year-ish but aren't directly accessible now from the new project portal. The new project portal has a super general description that I'm fairly certain is what they've been using for the project for quite a while now. But of course as Alps said, I'm not DelDOT and they could be completely reworking everything such that a brand new freeway might be on the table within a few years or that the 2017 roll map is all we're getting, who knows.

OK, I can accept those explanations, but I still find the DelDOT links posted to be confusing and not very coherent, and most of them didn't cite any final decision; and why chop US-113 into 5 segments and not have one EIS/location study for the whole corridor?

Like I said, I followed the DE-1 "Relief Route" from its early planning stages and there was always a concise and well-organized project plan for the route.  The US-113 material has little in comparison.

I think the General Assembly mandated the North / South Study in the first place given WRA's wording on their own page for the project (https://wrallp.com/our-work/us-113-northsouth-study). Since they also yanked the funding for the Milford section following the lack of consensus for an alternative through there, my guess would be that they forced it to be split into separate sections rather than DelDOT doing that of their own volition. Why the General Assembly would've done it that way is beyond me though.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 12, 2019, 10:31:18 PM
While this page has a lot of outdated material, it provides a good idea of what the original intents were before the towns and communities decided to block the proposals.

Then what is the use of discussing it?  You might just as well advocate building the Crosstown Expressway in Chicago, or I-70 thru Leakin Park in Baltimore, or a new freeway in North Jersey.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on March 13, 2019, 12:32:23 AM
While this page has a lot of outdated material, it provides a good idea of what the original intents were before the towns and communities decided to block the proposals.

Then what is the use of discussing it?  You might just as well advocate building the Crosstown Expressway in Chicago, or I-70 thru Leakin Park in Baltimore, or a new freeway in North Jersey.
Why does every one of your posts ask a question negating what has been posted previously?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 13, 2019, 01:01:41 AM
While this page has a lot of outdated material, it provides a good idea of what the original intents were before the towns and communities decided to block the proposals.
Then what is the use of discussing it?  You might just as well advocate building the Crosstown Expressway in Chicago, or I-70 thru Leakin Park in Baltimore, or a new freeway in North Jersey.
Why does every one of your posts ask a question negating what has been posted previously?

Does every single one of my posts ask a question negating what has been posted previously?

IMHO, it was a valid question, given the comment about the webpage having "outdated material", and the comment about "original intents" that were "before the towns and communities decided to block the proposals".  If the proposals were blocked by the towns and communities, then it sounds like the boat is in irons.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 13, 2019, 01:16:32 AM
“Sign an Executive Order”  that will get the highway built by 2025!


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 13, 2019, 06:18:34 AM
We were told by a Delaware poster that DelDOT website material for US-113 and US-13 is way out of date and that nearly all proposals have been canceled.
Now it is sad that they would leave obsolete material on their website but they apparently have.
The links sprjus4 posted are what's more up to date, they were put up on the old project portal within the last year-ish but aren't directly accessible now from the new project portal. The new project portal has a super general description that I'm fairly certain is what they've been using for the project for quite a while now. But of course as Alps said, I'm not DelDOT and they could be completely reworking everything such that a brand new freeway might be on the table within a few years or that the 2017 roll map is all we're getting, who knows.

OK, I can accept those explanations, but I still find the DelDOT links posted to be confusing and not very coherent, and most of them didn't cite any final decision; and why chop US-113 into 5 segments and not have one EIS/location study for the whole corridor?

Like I said, I followed the DE-1 "Relief Route" from its early planning stages and there was always a concise and well-organized project plan for the route.  The US-113 material has little in comparison.
The intent was to have an entire freeway built on the entire US-113 corridor from Milford to Maryland, however due to community opposition, and really a careless mindset the towns have to enhancing the US-113 corridor, the project has been split into four separate ones to address issues in each locality, and the goal to have a full freeway from Maryland to Milford has decreased slightly, though that 18 mile rural stretch is still being considered.

https://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us113/

While this page has a lot of outdated material, it provides a good idea of what the original intents were before the towns and communities decided to block the proposals.

The older project overview for the study was -

"The overall purpose of the US 113 North/South Study is to identify an alignment for a continuous limited access roadway from the Maryland/Delaware state line north to SR 1 north of the City of Milford, a total distance of approximately 40 miles. When completed, there will be a north-south limited access highway throughout the state of Delaware. The study also identifies improvements to major east/west routes."

It also indicates that this would be a long-range proposal,  so it could still indeed be on the long-term plan for the next 10 - 20 years. There's no updated information on that however.

"The short-term purpose of this project is to identify, select, and protect an alignment for a limited access US 113 highway through Sussex County. While the road will not be built at this time, choosing the alignment will enable DelDOT to protect the alignment until both need and available funds dictate the timing of construction. This project will provide a road that serves regional and seasonal traffic to points north and south while addressing future local traffic needs. Separating local from through traffic will help to facilitate the current, planned and projected development in Sussex County and its municipalities."

To answer the last question about the US-13 Relief Route study in the 70s and 80s, the US 113 study originally had a set end-goal, which is a limited-access freeway from Milford to Maryland. The only issue that is because of community opposition, instead of working with the communities and coming up with realignments and different alternatives to best fit their needs and desires like was done with the US 13 Relief Route / DE 1 superhighway, they've decided to just drop freeway plans completely in those areas, while keeping them in the rural areas.

Delaware DOT also has a new page (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T200212701#project-details1|travel-tab2[/url) which appears would re-evaluate this entire corridor once again based on the previous NEPA studies. The page is extremely unclear as to what the scope of this new study / EIS is really out to do. Continue to appeal to the towns with local improvements, or a full-freeway / long-range solution build out like originally intended. It indicates -

"This project will continue to work on viable alternatives for a limited access highway throughout Sussex County to address existing and future transportation needs along US 113 while preserving environmental and historic resources and accommodating planned economic growth."

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the opposition is due to the thinking that 113 is really supposed to be a minor spur route off of US 13, and they do have a point.  Why are they not upgrading or paralleling US 13 instead?  Did Dover feel that the residents on US 113 are of a lower class, and the pols could get what they wanted blasted thru?  What would've worked 40 or 50 years ago isn't going to work today.  It also doesn't help that the view is to help get people to/from Maryland, which never usually sits well with your own state's residents.  And everyone can see that if you widen this road, now they've opened up the possibility for other roads in their communities for more traffic.

What also isn't going to help: The 301 issue.  I think in hindsight making 301 a toll road rather than bypassing 301 with a toll road will only serve as an example to other municipalities as to what can happen to their communities.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 13, 2019, 10:03:38 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the opposition is due to the thinking that 113 is really supposed to be a minor spur route off of US 13, and they do have a point.  Why are they not upgrading or paralleling US 13 instead?  Did Dover feel that the residents on US 113 are of a lower class, and the pols could get what they wanted blasted thru?  What would've worked 40 or 50 years ago isn't going to work today.  It also doesn't help that the view is to help get people to/from Maryland, which never usually sits well with your own state's residents.  And everyone can see that if you widen this road, now they've opened up the possibility for other roads in their communities for more traffic.

A decision was made by Delaware and Maryland in the 1970s or maybe even in the 1960s, to develop two separate 4-lane corridors south of Dover, rather than one freeway corridor and one (presumably) modernized 2-lane corridor.  That would have been a freeway US-13 and a mostly 2-lane US-113.  I suppose the merits could be debated either way as to which was the best way to serve these corridors.

Given that it is down to the last 10 miles to complete MD US-113 to 4-lane standards, it has taken a long time.

Like I said the Delmarva is like some Canadian provinces in how it developed its principal highway system.

If MD-404 (east of MD-16) and DE-404 is upgraded to 4 lanes with town bypasses, that will create parallel 4-lane capacity to the US-50 corridor between the Western Shore and the Maryland beaches.  More of the same Delmarva strategy cited above, and a lot of work remaining to complete it.   MD-404 and DE-404 also provide routing to the Delaware beaches.
 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on March 14, 2019, 11:52:01 PM
I would suggest that south of Milford they should just build a freeway that is west of US 113 and then have it at a shallow angle that the further south it goes it moves away from US 113 and closer to US 13 so it meets the NE corner of the Salisbury Bypass. 

This way both US 13 and 113 remain as independent routes and keep the interchanges like Turnpike distances where maybe only roads like US 9, DE 404, etc only have access to and from it.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on March 15, 2019, 08:49:53 AM
It might be time to say goodbye to DE Route 34, DelDOT looks poised to remove signage for it by this summer:

https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/FaulklandRoadDeclassificatioofDE34/pdf/Faulkland.pdf (https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/FaulklandRoadDeclassificatioofDE34/pdf/Faulkland.pdf)

That's a bummer, I use SR 34 (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/de-034/) routinely when going back and forth toward Wilmington. Will still use it after SR 34 is decommissioned, but I liked the odd nature of the route with its dangling west end (which actually is well signed from Duncan Road).

There are not that many signs posted on the SR 34 mainline anymore, so removing them won't be much of an effort. Reading the document linked above, I have to question the rationale for removing Faulkland Road as a state route.

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Residents and legislators believe that the designation as Delaware Route 34 may be increasing traffic volumes and heavy truck usage

Residents and legislators are wrong.

2002 AADT for SR 34:

2015 AADT for SR 34:

The part west of Centerville Road has an 8% grade (https://www.aaroads.com/de/034/de-034-e-at-oakland-dr.jpg). Do trucks ever use that to connect between SR 41 and SR 141? I could see trucks using it to get to the Dupont Chestnut Run site, and that would not change with SR 34 removed.

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Declassification of SR 34 may indirectly encourage drivers to use alternate routes such as SR 48 to the north, or SR 2 to the south

This is an inane statement, as SR 34 is the alternate route.

Thanks for posting this Alex.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: BrianP on March 15, 2019, 10:27:04 AM
I would suggest that south of Milford they should just build a freeway that is west of US 113 and then have it at a shallow angle that the further south it goes it moves away from US 113 and closer to US 13 so it meets the NE corner of the Salisbury Bypass. 

This way both US 13 and 113 remain as independent routes and keep the interchanges like Turnpike distances where maybe only roads like US 9, DE 404, etc only have access to and from it.
I had the same kind of thought.  I thought about transitioning from the US 113 corridor to the US 13 corridor via US 9. Unfortunately I don't think that part of US 9 is used much by beach traffic. 

The latter part wouldn't be popular with locals.  If you're gonna build that then locals will want to use it too.  But of course rural interchange spacing would be fine (>= 3 mile spacing).

Also I really doubt you will get any freeway in MD along US 113 or US 13.  You could get spot improvements like interchanges at major crossings.  In other spots I think you would just get a super street kind of setup. 

Although Gov Hogan has been taking advantage of the previous Gov's gas tax increase to send a bit more money to the eastern shore.  See MD 404.

The only freeway segment I think would be likely for the eastern shore would be US 50 between US 301 and MD 404.  Even that will come piecemeal instead of all at once.  They've already broken it down into 8 phases.  And those look like they could be done independently. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 15, 2019, 11:09:19 AM
Although Gov Hogan has been taking advantage of the previous Gov's gas tax increase to send a bit more money to the eastern shore.  See MD 404.

The only freeway segment I think would be likely for the eastern shore would be US 50 between US 301 and MD 404.  Even that will come piecemeal instead of all at once.  They've already broken it down into 8 phases.  And those look like they could be done independently. 

The recent MD-404 expansion and that segment of US-50 has been in official developmental phases since the 1970s, and given the costs of these projects, it takes a very long time to get them built.

It is not just a recent problem, the US-50 expansion and freeway upgrade between the Bay Bridge and US-301, while completed in 1991, was in official developmental phases since the early 1970s.

Part of the issue is that Delmarva traffic patterns are highly seasonal weighted toward the summer.  MD-404 had the summer traffic to warrant 4 lanes back in the 1970s, but only in the last 10 or 15 years had the off-season traffic grown to the point where 2 lanes was more and more inadequate year-round.

I really like the recent MD-404 expansion but it cost $200 million and it could have used 2 or 3 interchanges instead of the signalized intersections there now, there is enough cross traffic that there can be annoying minor delays at each; but then building them would have jacked up the cost.

A 6-lane freeway upgrade of US-50 (US-301 to MD-404) was designed in the 1970s and the plan was to have that built soon after the segment west of there was built … but here we are … still not built.  Just building the US-50/MD-404 interchange by itself would be a big improvement.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on March 15, 2019, 04:54:36 PM
I would suggest that south of Milford they should just build a freeway that is west of US 113 and then have it at a shallow angle that the further south it goes it moves away from US 113 and closer to US 13 so it meets the NE corner of the Salisbury Bypass. 

This way both US 13 and 113 remain as independent routes and keep the interchanges like Turnpike distances where maybe only roads like US 9, DE 404, etc only have access to and from it.
That's sort of the concept I envisioned. It would leave the existing US-113 highway intact, not impact local traffic flow, and allow long-distance traffic to continue on freeway into Maryland, and if Maryland tied it seamlessly into the Salisbury Bypass, that would be even more efficient. US-13 south of Salisbury has mostly limited-access with frontage roads and public road access only, and would be an easier freeway upgrade if they wished to continue the concept to Pocomoke City, as opposed to the four-lane non-limited-access highway US-113 is in Maryland.

Then Virginia could construct limited-access tollway paralleling the existing US-13 closely (really closely similar to how DE-1 is to US-13 to minimize impacts) tying into the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel. It's not impossible, it's certainly workable, and if it was toll financed, it would definitely make it fundable. If it was tolled at $20 or so one-way for 200+ miles of 65-70 MPH limited-access freeway over existing 35-55 MPH US-13 with traffic signals & towns, I'm sure it would get a good amount of revenue to pay back toll bonds.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 15, 2019, 06:06:46 PM
That's sort of the concept I envisioned. It would leave the existing US-113 highway intact, not impact local traffic flow, and allow long-distance traffic to continue on freeway into Maryland, and if Maryland tied it seamlessly into the Salisbury Bypass, that would be even more efficient. US-13 south of Salisbury has mostly limited-access with frontage roads and public road access only, and would be an easier freeway upgrade if they wished to continue the concept to Pocomoke City, as opposed to the four-lane non-limited-access highway US-113 is in Maryland.

US-9 as pointed out is not a busy road.  It would not need a freeway paralleling it.

Then Virginia could construct limited-access tollway paralleling the existing US-13 closely (really closely similar to how DE-1 is to US-13 to minimize impacts) tying into the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel. It's not impossible, it's certainly workable, and if it was toll financed, it would definitely make it fundable. If it was tolled at $20 or so one-way for 200+ miles of 65-70 MPH limited-access freeway over existing 35-55 MPH US-13 with traffic signals & towns, I'm sure it would get a good amount of revenue to pay back toll bonds.

You're sure?  Probably more like $40 or $50 to pay back the bonds.  What about environmental impacts on that narrow strip of land?  That has been the main stated obstacle in the past.

I get an average speed of 51 mph on Goggle Maps between I-64 and Pocomoke City.  The access management project proposed for Eastern Shore US-13 back 15 years ago included a couple bypass extensions and a few interchanges, and in conjunction with 60 mph maximum speeds limits, could likely boost that average speed to 55 or 56 mph.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on March 15, 2019, 07:15:00 PM
That's sort of the concept I envisioned. It would leave the existing US-113 highway intact, not impact local traffic flow, and allow long-distance traffic to continue on freeway into Maryland, and if Maryland tied it seamlessly into the Salisbury Bypass, that would be even more efficient. US-13 south of Salisbury has mostly limited-access with frontage roads and public road access only, and would be an easier freeway upgrade if they wished to continue the concept to Pocomoke City, as opposed to the four-lane non-limited-access highway US-113 is in Maryland.

US-9 as pointed out is not a busy road.  It would not need a freeway paralleling it.

Then Virginia could construct limited-access tollway paralleling the existing US-13 closely (really closely similar to how DE-1 is to US-13 to minimize impacts) tying into the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel. It's not impossible, it's certainly workable, and if it was toll financed, it would definitely make it fundable. If it was tolled at $20 or so one-way for 200+ miles of 65-70 MPH limited-access freeway over existing 35-55 MPH US-13 with traffic signals & towns, I'm sure it would get a good amount of revenue to pay back toll bonds.

You're sure?  Probably more like $40 or $50 to pay back the bonds.  What about environmental impacts on that narrow strip of land?  That has been the main stated obstacle in the past.

I get an average speed of 51 mph on Goggle Maps between I-64 and Pocomoke City.  The access management project proposed for Eastern Shore US-13 back 15 years ago included a couple bypass extensions and a few interchanges, and in conjunction with 60 mph maximum speeds limits, could likely boost that average speed to 55 or 56 mph.
No one was talking about US 9 having a freeway. $40-$50? You sure? Probably more like $20 to pay back the bonds. See, I can play that same game.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 15, 2019, 08:20:46 PM
Heck, I just find enjoyment in how tolls can be estimated without discussing how much construction and future maintenance would actually cost.

Let's say the cost to build the road is $1 Billion, and they want to issue 20 year bonds, so the average payback will need to be $50,000,000 per year (I'm using extremely simple math here). 

If an estimated 1 vehicle per year will use the road, then the toll would need to be $50 million per vehicle just to pay off the bonds.

But if an estimated 100,000 vehicles per day were to use the road, that's 36,500,000 per year. Now the toll only needs to be about $1.37 per vehicle to go towards the bond payments.

And you need to add in money for maintenance, bond interest, and dozens of other expenses.

So, the point is, you can't just throw random numbers out there to say that's what the toll is going to be. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on March 15, 2019, 08:25:34 PM
Heck, I just find enjoyment in how tolls can be estimated without discussing how much construction and future maintenance would actually cost.

Let's say the cost to build the road is $1 Billion, and they want to issue 20 year bonds, so the average payback will need to be $50,000,000 per year (I'm using extremely simple math here). 

If an estimated 1 vehicle per year will use the road, then the toll would need to be $50 million per vehicle just to pay off the bonds.

But if an estimated 100,000 vehicles per day were to use the road, that's 36,500,000 per year. Now the toll only needs to be about $1.37 per vehicle to go towards the bond payments.

And you need to add in money for maintenance, bond interest, and dozens of other expenses.

So, the point is, you can't just throw random numbers out there to say that's what the toll is going to be. 


 :bigass:
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 15, 2019, 08:28:43 PM
What I also see - a deep under-estimate of how much construction costs generally are. 

:bigass:

Yeah, I know you know all about that!


Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on March 15, 2019, 08:39:29 PM
That's sort of the concept I envisioned. It would leave the existing US-113 highway intact, not impact local traffic flow, and allow long-distance traffic to continue on freeway into Maryland, and if Maryland tied it seamlessly into the Salisbury Bypass, that would be even more efficient. US-13 south of Salisbury has mostly limited-access with frontage roads and public road access only, and would be an easier freeway upgrade if they wished to continue the concept to Pocomoke City, as opposed to the four-lane non-limited-access highway US-113 is in Maryland.

US-9 as pointed out is not a busy road.  It would not need a freeway paralleling it.
Could you please bold the section in my quote where I say a freeway needs to be built for US 9?

Then Virginia could construct limited-access tollway paralleling the existing US-13 closely (really closely similar to how DE-1 is to US-13 to minimize impacts) tying into the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel. It's not impossible, it's certainly workable, and if it was toll financed, it would definitely make it fundable. If it was tolled at $20 or so one-way for 200+ miles of 65-70 MPH limited-access freeway over existing 35-55 MPH US-13 with traffic signals & towns, I'm sure it would get a good amount of revenue to pay back toll bonds.

You're sure?  Probably more like $40 or $50 to pay back the bonds.  What about environmental impacts on that narrow strip of land?  That has been the main stated obstacle in the past.
For the Virginia portion - about 65 miles of new location freeway. Using a $50 million per mile figure, about $3.2 billion. At 15 cents per mile, that's $9.75 total. State and federal funding would also support the project, in conjunction with toll bonds. It would not be fully toll dependent.

The environmental impacts certainly do exist. There's about 1.5 miles of farmland on either side of the existing corridor, or in some areas it's only on one side, and freeway could be constructed in that corridor. Take DE-1 for example. It was built parallel to US-13. Literally parallel in many areas, it runs right next to it or less than half a mile away from it, and crosses it many times. Such a design could be used here as well to reduce the footprint.

I get an average speed of 51 mph on Goggle Maps between I-64 and Pocomoke City.  The access management project proposed for Eastern Shore US-13 back 15 years ago included a couple bypass extensions and a few interchanges, and in conjunction with 60 mph maximum speeds limits, could likely boost that average speed to 55 or 56 mph.
Hard to say Google Maps estimates are always correct. I'll have to run an analysis basing each speed zone (55 MPH for xx miles, 45 MPH for xx miles, etc.) and get an average that way to get a detailed time. Also realize neither Google Maps nor the more detailed estimate factor in traffic signals. US-13 is 55 MPH in rural areas, though frequently drops to 35 MPH on town bypasses littered with businesses, traffic signals, etc. Not to mention the corridor carries about 20,000 AADT.

Heck, I just find enjoyment in how tolls can be estimated without discussing how much construction and future maintenance would actually cost.

Let's say the cost to build the road is $1 Billion, and they want to issue 20 year bonds, so the average payback will need to be $50,000,000 per year (I'm using extremely simple math here). 

If an estimated 1 vehicle per year will use the road, then the toll would need to be $50 million per vehicle just to pay off the bonds.

But if an estimated 100,000 vehicles per day were to use the road, that's 36,500,000 per year. Now the toll only needs to be about $1.37 per vehicle to go towards the bond payments.

And you need to add in money for maintenance, bond interest, and dozens of other expenses.

So, the point is, you can't just throw random numbers out there to say that's what the toll is going to be. 

See my analysis above. Using a high $50 million per mile estimate, it's about $3.2 billion. Using 15 cents per mile, that's about $9.75 total. Not to mention, a lot of the $3.2 billion would have come from state and federal sources if a project this large was undertaken. If you toll support all $3.2 billion, then you'd need an extremely high toll, which they wouldn't build a road knowing this.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 15, 2019, 10:01:23 PM
You're sure?  Probably more like $40 or $50 to pay back the bonds.  What about environmental impacts on that narrow strip of land?  That has been the main stated obstacle in the past.
For the Virginia portion - about 65 miles of new location freeway. Using a $50 million per mile figure, about $3.2 billion. At 15 cents per mile, that's $9.75 total. State and federal funding would also support the project, in conjunction with toll bonds. It would not be fully toll dependent.

You made sound like it would be fully toll funded.  What makes you think that there would be substantial amounts of state and federal funding?  Just how much federal funding is there on the ERT and HRBT?  Times are quite different from even 20 years ago.

What makes you think that it wouldn't be 30 or 40 cents per mile?  The obvious flaw in your figures is that there is no figure for traffic volume.

The environmental impacts certainly do exist. There's about 1.5 miles of farmland on either side of the existing corridor, or in some areas it's only on one side, and freeway could be constructed in that corridor. Take DE-1 for example. It was built parallel to US-13. Literally parallel in many areas, it runs right next to it or less than half a mile away from it, and crosses it many times. Such a design could be used here as well to reduce the footprint.

Delaware is -much- wider and higher than the Virginia Eastern Shore.  You don't seem to understand that it would be virtually impossible to build such a highway there under today's environmental regime, plus the opposition of the people who live there who want to keep the area as rural as possible.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 15, 2019, 10:20:42 PM


See my analysis above. Using a high $50 million per mile estimate, it's about $3.2 billion. Using 15 cents per mile, that's about $9.75 total. Not to mention, a lot of the $3.2 billion would have come from state and federal sources if a project this large was undertaken. If you toll support all $3.2 billion, then you'd need an extremely high toll, which they wouldn't build a road knowing this.

The US 301 toll route in DE cost over $50 million per mile. While much of Delmarva is more rural, just the simple fact that this fictional road won't be built for many years will easily push the road well above your 'high' estimate of $50 million per mile.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 15, 2019, 10:35:19 PM
The US 301 toll route in DE cost over $50 million per mile. While much of Delmarva is more rural, just the simple fact that this fictional road won't be built for many years will easily push the road well above your 'high' estimate of $50 million per mile.

It could be less than $50 million per mile; I've actually done engineering estimates for construction on highway projects professionally, and in a nutshell you really don't know the total costs until you design the project and then add up all the costs.  This business of picking figures out of the air ("$50 million per mile") is really humorous in these threads.

The US-301 tollroad costs $4 for an automobile for 12 miles of freeway.  That is 33 cents per mile.  It is a fairly routine freeway with no major bridges or cuts or fills.
 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on March 16, 2019, 12:24:55 AM
The US 301 toll route in DE cost over $50 million per mile. While much of Delmarva is more rural, just the simple fact that this fictional road won't be built for many years will easily push the road well above your 'high' estimate of $50 million per mile.

It could be less than $50 million per mile; I've actually done engineering estimates for construction on highway projects professionally, and in a nutshell you really don't know the total costs until you design the project and then add up all the costs.  This business of picking figures out of the air ("$50 million per mile") is really humorous in these threads.

The US-301 tollroad costs $4 for an automobile for 12 miles of freeway.  That is 33 cents per mile.  It is a fairly routine freeway with no major bridges or cuts or fills.
 
It costs $4 to cross the border, let's be real here.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on March 16, 2019, 12:25:27 AM
You're sure?  Probably more like $40 or $50 to pay back the bonds.  What about environmental impacts on that narrow strip of land?  That has been the main stated obstacle in the past.
For the Virginia portion - about 65 miles of new location freeway. Using a $50 million per mile figure, about $3.2 billion. At 15 cents per mile, that's $9.75 total. State and federal funding would also support the project, in conjunction with toll bonds. It would not be fully toll dependent.

You made sound like it would be fully toll funded.  What makes you think that there would be substantial amounts of state and federal funding?  Just how much federal funding is there on the ERT and HRBT?  Times are quite different from even 20 years ago.

What makes you think that it wouldn't be 30 or 40 cents per mile?  The obvious flaw in your figures is that there is no figure for traffic volume.

What makes you think it wouldn't be federally funded? What makes you think it would be 30 or 40 cents per mile?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 16, 2019, 12:48:04 AM
For the Virginia portion - about 65 miles of new location freeway. Using a $50 million per mile figure, about $3.2 billion. At 15 cents per mile, that's $9.75 total. State and federal funding would also support the project, in conjunction with toll bonds. It would not be fully toll dependent.
You made sound like it would be fully toll funded.  What makes you think that there would be substantial amounts of state and federal funding?  Just how much federal funding is there on the ERT and HRBT?  Times are quite different from even 20 years ago.
What makes you think that it wouldn't be 30 or 40 cents per mile?  The obvious flaw in your figures is that there is no figure for traffic volume.
What makes you think it wouldn't be federally funded? '

Didn't say it wouldn't, just that nowadays on a project to project basis that many get low percentages or none.  Spread wide and thin.

Isn't it "cheating" to subsidize a tollroad construction rather than have it be fully self-supporting?

What makes you think it would be 30 or 40 cents per mile?

3.2 billion X 2.5 (amort.) = 8.0 billion (P&I) / 30 years / 365 days / 15,000 AADT = $48.70 toll

A 30-year loan at 6% interest would cost in total about 2.5x the amount of principal.

15,000 AADT for the tollway is generous, considering that the 4-lane US-13 would still be there, and I ignored what a toll like that would do to the usage levels.

If you want I will work in 10% large trucks and recompute that simple estimate... and see if that brings the car toll down by $5 or so.
 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 16, 2019, 07:35:39 AM
Build a 4 lane crossing over the Delaware Bay, allowing a bypass of the general surrounding area of Philly, Balt and DC and the AADT will really go up.

And do you know what people in Delmarva, Eastern Shore of MD and coastal South Jersey don't want? That bypass to become a thing.

But without it, no one will ever spend the money for a highway with an estimated 15k daily traffic volume.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 16, 2019, 12:08:42 PM
I get an average speed of 51 mph on Goggle Maps between I-64 and Pocomoke City.  The access management project proposed for Eastern Shore US-13 back 15 years ago included a couple bypass extensions and a few interchanges, and in conjunction with 60 mph maximum speeds limits, could likely boost that average speed to 55 or 56 mph.
Hard to say Google Maps estimates are always correct. I'll have to run an analysis basing each speed zone (55 MPH for xx miles, 45 MPH for xx miles, etc.) and get an average that way to get a detailed time. Also realize neither Google Maps nor the more detailed estimate factor in traffic signals. US-13 is 55 MPH in rural areas, though frequently drops to 35 MPH on town bypasses littered with businesses, traffic signals, etc. Not to mention the corridor carries about 20,000 AADT.

CBBT is 8,800 AADT.  The next 30 miles trending from 10,000 at the south end gradually trending upward to about 14,000.  The next 35 miles mostly in the upper teens.

Google Maps certainly does include signals.  I just ran a 9-mile segment of US-60 Midlothian Turnpike with 14 signals and it does not compute to the speed limit of 45 mph, the average is 29 mph.  Based on there being some synchronization between signals, and based on my experiences there, that average sounds about right for this day of week and time of day.
 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on March 16, 2019, 02:30:27 PM
CBBT is 8,800 AADT.  The next 30 miles trending from 10,000 at the south end gradually trending upward to about 14,000.  The next 35 miles mostly in the upper teens.
Between the US-60 Shore Dr / US-13 interchange in Virginia Beach to the Maryland State Line, it's 88 miles.

Did an analysis on the distance of each traffic count from the VDOT Traffic Counts map and here's what I got -


To conclude, of the entire 88 mile corridor from Virginia Beach to Maryland, 59 miles or 67% of the corridor has a volume at or over 15,000 AADT. Like you had done, if you cut 20 miles off and only consider the 68 miles on the Eastern Shore, 87% of the corridor carries at or over 15,000 AADT. 62% of the Eastern Shore portion of the corridor carries at or over 18,000 AADT. Certainly not "30 miles below 14,000 AADT, and 35 miles above". In reality, it's 9 miles below 15,000 AADT, and 59 miles above. 42 of those miles is at or above 18,000 AADT.

Google Maps certainly does include signals.  I just ran a 9-mile segment of US-60 Midlothian Turnpike with 14 signals and it does not compute to the speed limit of 45 mph, the average is 29 mph.  Based on there being some synchronization between signals, and based on my experiences there, that average sounds about right for this day of week and time of day.
Differences between urban and rural. I looked at that same stretch, and it detects traffic backup from the signals, creating red areas on the traffic map at each of them. On a highway like US-13 in a mainly rural environment with towns, there's not enough time for backup to be detected, but certainly when you're stopping at signal after signal through each town, it adds maybe 5 minutes or slightly more to your drive. I've added at least 5 or 10 minutes from this alone going up the Eastern Shore myself. Not significant, but it's there. I'll run a speed analysis as I've done on US-58 in the past to see what the travel time is without signals and using the official speed limits for each section.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 16, 2019, 02:56:21 PM
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To conclude, of the entire 88 mile corridor from Virginia Beach to Maryland, 59 miles or 67% of the corridor has a volume at or over 15,000 AADT. Like you had done, if you cut 20 miles off and only consider the 68 miles on the Eastern Shore, 87% of the corridor carries at or over 15,000 AADT. 62% of the Eastern Shore portion of the corridor carries at or over 18,000 AADT. Certainly not "30 miles below 14,000 AADT, and 35 miles above". In reality, it's 9 miles below 15,000 AADT, and 59 miles above. 42 of those miles is at or above 18,000 AADT.

Doesn't really disagree with what I summarized.  Traffic growth there has historically been rather slow, there are no major cities and towns like in MD and DE, the high CBBT toll has always had a restricting factor on the volume of thru traffic and on volume of local traffic between the sides of the Bay.  Much of that US-13 volume in Accomack and Northampton counties is of a very local nature not well suited to freeway use.

Upgrading the existing highway along the lines of the Access Management Project of about 15 years ago, I think is the best way to handle this highway.  Consolidation of driveways where feasible, building J-cut intersections where feasible, building interchanges at selected strategic intersections, build the two bypass extensions, roadway segments less than 24 feet widened to 24 feet, build 10 foot paved right shoulders where not already in place, build 4 foot left shoulders where not already in place, build sufficient length right-turn and left-turn lanes, urban undivided 4-lane sections widened to 5 lanes with center lane for left-turn only, build median barriers in narrow medians, purchase limited access controls on pre-existing bypasses as they were built without that, add signal synchronization and loop-activated signals where feasible if not already in place.  That project was estimated at about $200 million for the 65 miles back then.

Google Maps certainly does include signals.  I just ran a 9-mile segment of US-60 Midlothian Turnpike with 14 signals and it does not compute to the speed limit of 45 mph, the average is 29 mph.  Based on there being some synchronization between signals, and based on my experiences there, that average sounds about right for this day of week and time of day.
Differences between urban and rural. I looked at that same stretch, and it detects traffic backup from the signals, creating red areas on the traffic map at each of them. On a highway like US-13 in a mainly rural environment with towns, there's not enough time for backup to be detected, but certainly when you're stopping at signal after signal through each town, it adds maybe 5 minutes or slightly more to your drive. I've added at least 5 or 10 minutes from this alone going up the Eastern Shore myself. Not significant, but it's there. I'll run a speed analysis as I've done on US-58 in the past to see what the travel time is without signals and using the official speed limits for each section.

I've checked rural corridors in the past and they are computed similarly.  There can be signal synchronization in some places, and loop-activated signals can provide a constant green phase on the main route that only changes when a vehicle comes to the signal on the side road.

Google Maps and other mapping software provides a decent enough basic estimate of travel times.  They can't just ignore signals when they want to provide the end-user with realistic travel times.
 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on March 16, 2019, 07:03:00 PM
Upgrading the existing highway along the lines of the Access Management Project of about 15 years ago, I think is the best way to handle this highway.  Consolidation of driveways where feasible, building J-cut intersections where feasible, building interchanges at selected strategic intersections, build the two bypass extensions, roadway segments less than 24 feet widened to 24 feet, build 10 foot paved right shoulders where not already in place, build 4 foot left shoulders where not already in place, build sufficient length right-turn and left-turn lanes, urban undivided 4-lane sections widened to 5 lanes with center lane for left-turn only, build median barriers in narrow medians, purchase limited access controls on pre-existing bypasses as they were built without that, add signal synchronization and loop-activated signals where feasible if not already in place.  That project was estimated at about $200 million for the 65 miles back then.
I've taken a good look through that study, and that's honestly the next best approach to a freeway IMHO. Limiting the access on the entire corridor, constructing frontage roads in certain areas, widening the median to 50 feet where it's currently smaller than 30 feet, and constructing about 10 miles of new location, limited-access at-grade bypasses.

The only issue is the cost estimates in 2019 dollars. The entire corridor would cost about $200 million per the estimates, and looking at the cost breakdown, that would be way higher today.

For instance, a Temperanceville / Oak Hall bypass would cost $25 - $29 million. For converting to 2019 dollars, as an estimate, using a number of $20 million per mile, it would cost between $100 and $120 million (assumes $20 million for a VA-175 interchange in the higher number)

Another bypass, a 4 mile Nelsonia / Mappsville bypass would cost $16.6 million back then. Again, with $20 million per mile, likely $80 million or so now.

I'm less familiar with how the costs would translate for relocating one roadway to provide a consistent 50 foot median where no full new location is proposed, but I'd assume that number would also rise.

So total, likely $200 million for the bypasses, and probably another $100 - 150 million for the other improvements.

If it could be funded, I'd say go for it. It sounds like a great improvement, and in the long-term if a freeway was ever desired, which it's currently not, improvements done in this project would accommodate further upgrades.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 16, 2019, 10:36:50 PM
The part west of Centerville Road has an 8% grade (https://www.aaroads.com/de/034/de-034-e-at-oakland-dr.jpg). Do trucks ever use that to connect between SR 41 and SR 141? I could see trucks using it to get to the Dupont Chestnut Run site, and that would not change with SR 34 removed.

They certainly won't be now, at some point recently DelDOT posted large signs at every major intersection along Centreville Road between Greenbank Road and (I presume) SR 48 and along SR 34 between Duncan road and (I presume) SR 141, they are way more noticeable than the all text variant:

(https://i.imgur.com/ZlgIXy0.png)

I wonder if the controversy with whether truck traffic was to be funneled down SR 41, SR 48, or SR 7 scared residents into thinking trucks would use SR 34 because I can't imagine it had an appreciable amount to this point. The new signs look pretty goofy at the SR 34 / Centreville intersection as they're posted on each of the four legs.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 16, 2019, 11:43:41 PM
Upgrading the existing highway along the lines of the Access Management Project of about 15 years ago, I think is the best way to handle this highway.  [. . . . . .]  That project was estimated at about $200 million for the 65 miles back then.
I've taken a good look through that study, and that's honestly the next best approach to a freeway IMHO. Limiting the access on the entire corridor, constructing frontage roads in certain areas, widening the median to 50 feet where it's currently smaller than 30 feet, and constructing about 10 miles of new location, limited-access at-grade bypasses.
The only issue is the cost estimates in 2019 dollars. The entire corridor would cost about $200 million per the estimates, and looking at the cost breakdown, that would be way higher today.

Actually I see that was estimated at $139 million in 2002, and that included upgrading VA-175 on the mainland as well.  Naturally it would cost a lot more in today's dollars.

Inflation factored at 5% since then would 2.4x or $334 million.  It could be divided into probably at least 10 segments that could be built independent of the others, each segment providing benefits as it is completed.

http://virginiadot.org/projects/resources/hampton_roads/rte13_final_report.pdf
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on March 16, 2019, 11:48:21 PM
Upgrading the existing highway along the lines of the Access Management Project of about 15 years ago, I think is the best way to handle this highway.  [. . . . . .]  That project was estimated at about $200 million for the 65 miles back then.
I've taken a good look through that study, and that's honestly the next best approach to a freeway IMHO. Limiting the access on the entire corridor, constructing frontage roads in certain areas, widening the median to 50 feet where it's currently smaller than 30 feet, and constructing about 10 miles of new location, limited-access at-grade bypasses.
The only issue is the cost estimates in 2019 dollars. The entire corridor would cost about $200 million per the estimates, and looking at the cost breakdown, that would be way higher today.

Actually I see that was estimated at $139 million in 2002, and that included upgrading VA-175 on the mainland as well.  Naturally it would cost a lot more in today's dollars.

Inflation factored at 5% since then would 2.4x or $334 million.  It could be divided into probably at least 10 segments that could be built independent of the others, each segment providing benefits as it is completed.

http://virginiadot.org/projects/resources/hampton_roads/rte13_final_report.pdf
That $334 million estimate seems reasonable. If it was segment divided, likely the 4 mile Nelsonia / Mappsville bypass would be the first priority, then the Temperanceville / Oak Hall bypass, then the urban improvements, and lastly the median widening.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 17, 2019, 02:10:51 AM
Would this prove the fact that they will continue the 404 Eastward ?
https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1377202&iProjectObjectID=48378 (https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1377202&iProjectObjectID=48378)

Also this has some more information regarding U.S. 113
https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1365700&iProjectObjectID=48378 (https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1365700&iProjectObjectID=48378)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 17, 2019, 06:57:57 AM
Would this prove the fact that they will continue the 404 Eastward ?
https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1377202&iProjectObjectID=48378 (https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1377202&iProjectObjectID=48378)


It proves they studied it and proposed improvements.   Until they've put it out to bid and a bid has been approved, it doesn't prove that they will actually build and/or continue it.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 17, 2019, 11:40:25 AM
Would this prove the fact that they will continue the 404 Eastward ?
https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1377202&iProjectObjectID=48378 (https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1377202&iProjectObjectID=48378)

Also this has some more information regarding U.S. 113
https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1365700&iProjectObjectID=48378 (https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1365700&iProjectObjectID=48378)

It's an intersection improvements project that was part of the US 113 Study, it isn't related to any potential corridor-wide improvements for DE 404.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 17, 2019, 12:45:06 PM
Would this prove the fact that they will continue the 404 Eastward ?
https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1377202&iProjectObjectID=48378 (https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1377202&iProjectObjectID=48378)

Also this has some more information regarding U.S. 113
https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1365700&iProjectObjectID=48378 (https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1365700&iProjectObjectID=48378)

It's an intersection improvements project that was part of the US 113 Study, it isn't related to any potential corridor-wide improvements for DE 404.
Yes I know, but if they are making it grade separated, then it has a chance to be built out later on


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 17, 2019, 12:45:48 PM
Would this prove the fact that they will continue the 404 Eastward ?
https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1377202&iProjectObjectID=48378 (https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1377202&iProjectObjectID=48378)


It proves they studied it and proposed improvements.   Until they've put it out to bid and a bid has been approved, it doesn't prove that they will actually build and/or continue it.
Ok, it looks pretty detailed like they are gonna do it.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 17, 2019, 01:25:05 PM
Would this prove the fact that they will continue the 404 Eastward ?
https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1377202&iProjectObjectID=48378 (https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1377202&iProjectObjectID=48378)

Also this has some more information regarding U.S. 113
https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1365700&iProjectObjectID=48378 (https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1365700&iProjectObjectID=48378)

It's an intersection improvements project that was part of the US 113 Study, it isn't related to any potential corridor-wide improvements for DE 404.
Yes I know, but if they are making it grade separated, then it has a chance to be built out later on


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Not really, the grade separation proposed favors US 113 traffic over DE 404 traffic and does not address the fact that DE 404 immediately enters downtown Georgetown and narrows down. If DE 404 were to be dualized there would likely have to be significant new construction to get around the core of Georgetown which is not being studied, let alone being proposed. This project is not a step towards a dualized DE 404.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 17, 2019, 01:32:08 PM
Not really, the grade separation proposed favors US 113 traffic over DE 404 traffic and does not address the fact that DE 404 immediately enters downtown Georgetown and narrows down. If DE 404 were to be dualized there would likely have to be significant new construction to get around the core of Georgetown which is not being studied, let alone being proposed. This project is not a step towards a dualized DE 404.

DE-404 would have a northern bypass of Georgetown in a 4-lane DE-404 corridor, that would be my prediction.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on March 17, 2019, 01:38:02 PM
Would this prove the fact that they will continue the 404 Eastward ?
https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1377202&iProjectObjectID=48378 (https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1377202&iProjectObjectID=48378)

Also this has some more information regarding U.S. 113
https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1365700&iProjectObjectID=48378 (https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1365700&iProjectObjectID=48378)

It's an intersection improvements project that was part of the US 113 Study, it isn't related to any potential corridor-wide improvements for DE 404.
Yes I know, but if they are making it grade separated, then it has a chance to be built out later on


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Not really, the grade separation proposed favors US 113 traffic over DE 404 traffic and does not address the fact that DE 404 immediately enters downtown Georgetown and narrows down. If DE 404 were to be dualized there would likely have to be significant new construction to get around the core of Georgetown which is not being studied, let alone being proposed. This project is not a step towards a dualized DE 404.
Not really, the grade separation proposed favors US 113 traffic over DE 404 traffic and does not address the fact that DE 404 immediately enters downtown Georgetown and narrows down. If DE 404 were to be dualized there would likely have to be significant new construction to get around the core of Georgetown which is not being studied, let alone being proposed. This project is not a step towards a dualized DE 404.

DE-404 would have a northern bypass of Georgetown in a 4-lane DE-404 corridor, that would be my prediction.
Agreed, this interchange improvement is mainly favors US-113 traffic as it's apart of the overall corridor improvements for the U.S. 113 corridor to eliminate a traffic signal. It does benefit DE-404 slightly, as it results in more green time not having to wait for US-113 cross traffic, but any large improvement to DE-404 would likely be either a northern bypass, or a southern bypass tying into the existing US-9 bypass. Whatever is chosen is dependent on how important DE-404 is. If the goal is to provide a 4-lane divided highway or freeway, then a northern bypass would be the best answer. If it's just simply a road to deter DE-404 traffic away from downtown, tying into the US 9 bypass could also work.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 25, 2019, 06:47:16 AM
Happy Spring, can y’all guess these locations

1. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190325/79dc1d8b613bfe0f8a5729b0c2839
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2. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190325/d9438aea3129d300033e9c2d0577af2a.jpg)

3. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190325/a5697038a9e89b54ec18189af5a1a00b.jpg)

4. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190325/83517ba306d0736d346cc01cc7d21e1c.jpg)

5. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190325/6e9a7805adf25d9ac50d06f48d16f8af.jpg) (Easy Giveaway)

6. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190325/c3cf0f616bac20a3c3abe70df93d5211.jpg)

7. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190325/414eeee657d2d1a488863ecc3437e9c3.jpg)


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 25, 2019, 07:00:00 AM
Happy Spring, can y’all guess these locations

St. Georges old highway lift bridge over C&D Canal, and US-13 high level bridge under construction.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 28, 2019, 10:49:21 PM
Newport had a train station!? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190329/ec23e09be87c1a2002c88af82764b8e1.jpg)


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 29, 2019, 08:21:04 AM
Newport had a train station!? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190329/ec23e09be87c1a2002c88af82764b8e1.jpg)


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What's even sadder...this is the Wikipedia webpage for it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newport_Railroad_Station .  You would think *someone* would have enough interest in it to talk about it a bit more.
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 31, 2019, 02:56:39 PM
They have released the plans for the I-95 improvements, its good that they are trying to fix Wilmington, too bad they couldn’t add the roof over 95 in the plans.

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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NJRoadfan on March 31, 2019, 07:02:01 PM
At least they have I-495 as a viable detour route. Guess they won't close the whole highway like they did in the 90's rehab that section again.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on April 03, 2019, 01:20:41 AM
For those of you from Delaware, the Public Archives are having a presentation on the history of DelDOT this Saturday morning: https://archives.delaware.gov/2019/03/28/celebrating-the-history-of-the-delaware-department-of-transportation/

Unfortunately, I can't go!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 13, 2019, 04:44:28 PM
I moved the ipeters 61 post on renumbering Delaware State Routes to Fictional Highways.   -Mark

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=24850.0
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on April 16, 2019, 08:55:57 PM
Meanwhile, on the DE 1 approach to the Delaware beach zone...

https://www.capegazette.com/article/deldot-set-fast-track-cave-neck-overpass/177921

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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on April 16, 2019, 08:58:18 PM
Meanwhile, on the DE 1 approach to the Delaware beach zone...

https://www.capegazette.com/article/deldot-set-fast-track-cave-neck-overpass/177921

ixnay
Amazing, would the increase in traffic & economy growth in Delaware & surrounding areas be the cause to finally fix these problems? Is Delaware finally realizing they need atleast 1 “Real Hwy”  inorder to make the state run correctly. Hmm we will find out in the next episode of “AA FORUMS” .


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on April 17, 2019, 05:30:12 PM
Delaware has had several interchange and access consolidation projects planned along DE 1 for years...I believe they called it the "Route 1 Capacity Preservation Plan" or something along those lines 15 years ago.  They're building them as funding allows.

You need to learn to be a bit less dramatic and stop thinking that DelDOT is only now responding to recent trends.  They've been a lot more proactive on DE 1 than you're suggesting.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on April 17, 2019, 07:07:16 PM
Delaware has had several interchange and access consolidation projects planned along DE 1 for years...I believe they called it the "Route 1 Capacity Preservation Plan" or something along those lines 15 years ago.  They're building them as funding allows.

You need to learn to be a bit less dramatic and stop thinking that DelDOT is only now responding to recent trends.  They've been a lot more proactive on DE 1 than you're suggesting.
Not dramatic, I just care. From looking at plans & researching Delaware things, they only do anything based on money, yes everyone does because the world runs on money, but why wait on handouts when you can possibly find a way to fund the things you need.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on April 17, 2019, 09:26:45 PM
You need to learn to be a bit less dramatic
How about just ignoring his dramatic responses? It's not hurting you.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on April 17, 2019, 09:55:44 PM
Delaware has had several interchange and access consolidation projects planned along DE 1 for years...I believe they called it the "Route 1 Capacity Preservation Plan" or something along those lines 15 years ago.  They're building them as funding allows.

You need to learn to be a bit less dramatic and stop thinking that DelDOT is only now responding to recent trends.  They've been a lot more proactive on DE 1 than you're suggesting.

Seconded, it's kinda frustrating checking this topic for interesting information only for it to be filled with replies acting like this state is stuck in the stone age because it hasn't built out its entire Capital Transportation Plan along with every project that WILMAPCO has proposed.

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but why wait on handouts when you can possibly find a way to fund the things you need.

Because there isn't a way to build these projects on your time frame in a financially responsible manner. If there were a way they would have done it by now, it's not like DelDOT is trying to delay projects intentionally just to spite the population.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on April 17, 2019, 10:27:22 PM
My comments are always up to change, its common sense & debating. We all have opinions don’t we?

I believe it’s great when we all talk about a subject for a good amount of time. Its really proactive. Almost like reading a book whilst drinking a frosty cup of lemonade on a hot summer day, but your under a roofed porch so the wind blows a cool breeze. IMHO.

I’ll say it again I love this forum & everyone in/on it. The best thing since they built cars for roads.




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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on April 17, 2019, 10:32:15 PM
Delaware has had several interchange and access consolidation projects planned along DE 1 for years...I believe they called it the "Route 1 Capacity Preservation Plan" or something along those lines 15 years ago.  They're building them as funding allows.

You need to learn to be a bit less dramatic and stop thinking that DelDOT is only now responding to recent trends.  They've been a lot more proactive on DE 1 than you're suggesting.

Seconded, it's kinda frustrating checking this topic for interesting information only for it to be filled with replies acting like this state is stuck in the stone age because it hasn't built out its entire Capital Transportation Plan along with every project that WILMAPCO has proposed.

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but why wait on handouts when you can possibly find a way to fund the things you need.

Because there isn't a way to build these projects on your time frame in a financially responsible manner. If there were a way they would have done it by now, it's not like DelDOT is trying to delay projects intentionally just to spite the population.
I guess you’re right. It’s not like building infrastructure brings growth to places. I guess I shouldn’t invest in my business. Investing is badddd.

No they do not delay projects to spite people, there are multiple reasons. Nimbys stopping or delaying projects, funds not allocated, other more important projects & many other reasons. But I thought everyone already knew that.

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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on April 18, 2019, 08:09:10 AM
Does DE 1 need all those overpasses between the Lincoln exit and Nassau?  Did they need them 15 years ago?  Does shoulder season and winter time traffic on DE 1 warrant them?

And what about the safety of those attempting to access residences and businesses?

https://www.capegazette.com/article/letter-route-1-16-crossover-will-cause-big-problems/178114

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Without any break in traffic flowing south from Route 16, travelers, including cars, school buses, trucks and motorcycles, will have to make dangerous attempts to cross over in front of nonstop traffic heading south at any of the 12 crossovers that exist on Route 1 in this area. There are several businesses that depend on this access, and access to residential roads, existing on either side of Route 1 here in Milton, Nassau and Lewes.

[scroll down below the article to read the comments]

I've been caught at the light at DE 1 and 16 a few times and it's never bothered me as much as the megalight at 1 and 9/404.

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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on April 18, 2019, 10:43:43 AM
Does DE 1 need all those overpasses between the Lincoln exit and Nassau?  Did they need them 15 years ago?  Does shoulder season and winter time traffic on DE 1 warrant them?

And what about the safety of those attempting to access residences and businesses?

https://www.capegazette.com/article/letter-route-1-16-crossover-will-cause-big-problems/178114

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Without any break in traffic flowing south from Route 16, travelers, including cars, school buses, trucks and motorcycles, will have to make dangerous attempts to cross over in front of nonstop traffic heading south at any of the 12 crossovers that exist on Route 1 in this area. There are several businesses that depend on this access, and access to residential roads, existing on either side of Route 1 here in Milton, Nassau and Lewes.

[scroll down below the article to read the comments]

I've been caught at the light at DE 1 and 16 a few times and it's never bothered me as much as the megalight at 1 and 9/404.

ixnay
Did I read that correctly? Im trying to understand how an overpass creates a dangerous situation for people to get to the other side.

When you make a overpass you have a safer way to cross because its taking you under 4 lanes of highway traffic & it safer for local traffic because they dont have to deal with highway traffic. I feel like people just dont wanna deal with highway construction or looking at it when its done IMHO.

12 cross overs are dangerous & as time goes on they should be eliminated. Also the comments on the post show residents are confused & 1 person sees the reason for it to be done.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on April 18, 2019, 11:02:42 AM
^ It's safer for those at the overpass location.  It's those folks a few miles upstream or downstream of the overpass who now have a more dangerous crossing because the elimination of the signal eliminates gaps in traffic.  In this case, it would make the Route 5 intersection and the junctions down by the Eagle Crest Airport (and everyone who lives in between) more problematic.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on April 18, 2019, 11:25:02 AM
^ It's safer for those at the overpass location.  It's those folks a few miles upstream or downstream of the overpass who now have a more dangerous crossing because the elimination of the signal eliminates gaps in traffic.  In this case, it would make the Route 5 intersection and the junctions down by the Eagle Crest Airport (and everyone who lives in between) more problematic.
If thats the case they can build over pass bridges that cross the highway like they do everywhere else. Is that to much to do? They did it on I-95 60 years ago & they did it on the New 301 in present time.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: odditude on April 18, 2019, 11:31:01 AM
^ It's safer for those at the overpass location.  It's those folks a few miles upstream or downstream of the overpass who now have a more dangerous crossing because the elimination of the signal eliminates gaps in traffic.  In this case, it would make the Route 5 intersection and the junctions down by the Eagle Crest Airport (and everyone who lives in between) more problematic.
If thats the case they can build over pass bridges that cross the highway like they do everywhere else. Is that to much to do? They did it on I-95 60 years ago & they did it on the New 301 in present time.
again, there's significant cost involved.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on April 18, 2019, 11:35:55 AM
^ It's safer for those at the overpass location.  It's those folks a few miles upstream or downstream of the overpass who now have a more dangerous crossing because the elimination of the signal eliminates gaps in traffic.  In this case, it would make the Route 5 intersection and the junctions down by the Eagle Crest Airport (and everyone who lives in between) more problematic.
If thats the case they can build over pass bridges that cross the highway like they do everywhere else. Is that to much to do? They did it on I-95 60 years ago & they did it on the New 301 in present time.
again, there's significant cost involved.
So we are already building a highway right? The people in the area that you want to compromise with in order to build the highway want a way to get over the highway safely & effectively, but taking a couple more planning days & earning more budget to do the project correctly is not worth the money &/ time spent.


This is why Deldot fails at getting stuff done. It all is starting to make sense. Its the residents & deldot who wont compromise. Who woulda thought.


Atleast the highway is getting closer to being finished.




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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on April 18, 2019, 11:41:05 AM
^^^ There's a huge difference you're completely ignoring.  I-95 and the New 301 were new-construction/new-alignment projects.  Route 1 south of Milford (really south of Little Heaven) is an existing, long-established roadway with homes, businesses, and private driveways all along it.  You can't just ramrod interchanges and overpasses along such a roadway without planning, accommodation, property purchase, mitigation, or funding.  But you seem to think it's DelDOT's failure that they haven't.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on April 18, 2019, 11:45:19 AM
^^^ There's a huge difference you're completely ignoring.  I-95 and the New 301 were new-construction/new-alignment projects.  Route 1 south of Milford (really south of Little Heaven) is an existing, long-established roadway with homes, businesses, and private driveways all along it.  You can't just ramrod interchanges and overpasses along such a roadway without planning, accommodation, property purchase, mitigation, or funding.  But you seem to think it's DelDOT's failure that they haven't.
How about DelDOT launch a study to evaluate upgrading DE-1 to interstate standards, or constructing that new alignment? I'm not saying that's the option they should choose, but it should at least be considered to get a cost estimate.

Also, if safety is an issue, R-CUTS can be used, and other innovative intersections, if a full freeway is not warranted.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on April 18, 2019, 11:46:16 AM
^^^ There's a huge difference you're completely ignoring.  I-95 and the New 301 were new-construction/new-alignment projects.  Route 1 south of Milford (really south of Little Heaven) is an existing, long-established roadway with homes, businesses, and private driveways all along it.
Yes & also there are many stretches where it is just trees and farm fields. But maybe if they create these new overpasses over the highway it will cause new roads to be built & then the infamous home builders will start breathing down deldots neck. So I can understand they dont want to do that.

But people are complaining Nimbys are 75% why projects get canceled alot of times & its a shame to see. Is it hard to have a simple highway from the Christiana mall to the beaches. That should have been completed.



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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on April 18, 2019, 12:20:03 PM
^^^ There's a huge difference you're completely ignoring.  I-95 and the New 301 were new-construction/new-alignment projects.  Route 1 south of Milford (really south of Little Heaven) is an existing, long-established roadway with homes, businesses, and private driveways all along it.
Yes & also there are many stretches where it is just trees and farm fields. But maybe if they create these new overpasses over the highway it will cause new roads to be built & then the infamous home builders will start breathing down deldots neck. So I can understand they dont want to do that.

But people are complaining Nimbys are 75% why projects get canceled alot of times & its a shame to see. Is it hard to have a simple highway from the Christiana mall to the beaches. That should have been completed.



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Completely agree on the NIMBYs causing issues. They were the ones who prevented US-301 from getting upgraded between DE-1 and Maryland to interstate standards. Now, only spot improvements proposed like DE-1 is getting.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on May 02, 2019, 09:45:04 PM
Delaware Memorial Bridge Toll is now officially @$5


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 02, 2019, 09:49:10 PM
Delaware Memorial Bridge Toll is now officially @$5


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The below link shows the new toll rates.

https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2019/05/01/delaware-memorial-bridge-toll-rates-to-increase-may-1/
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on May 02, 2019, 10:45:50 PM
Delaware Memorial Bridge Toll is now officially @$5


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The below link shows the new toll rates.

https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2019/05/01/delaware-memorial-bridge-toll-rates-to-increase-may-1/
Oh my goodness, are those discounts I see for Ezpass & frequent travelers. I thought discounts were a myth nowadays.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 07, 2019, 04:24:46 PM
A public workshop on the planned relocation of US 9 TRUCK in Georgetown (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=12498) will be on May 28th.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on May 14, 2019, 11:06:35 PM
DelDOT secretary Jennifer Cohan wrote into the Cape Gazette regarding the proposed grade separations on Route 1 (specifically at Route 16): https://www.capegazette.com/article/deldot-makes-data-driven-decisions/180270
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on May 18, 2019, 10:59:14 AM
Some photos from today's ribbon cutting of the DE-1/DE-14 interchange in Milford.

(https://i.ibb.co/hLW5MBm/IMG-5846.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Cm7dtbH)
(https://i.ibb.co/0QvSH2W/IMG-5866.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GFNLzp1)
(https://i.ibb.co/4mvcDfG/IMG-5886.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1vy3pn5)
(https://i.ibb.co/1zB0pZB/IMG-5893.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Bnvf7Lv)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on May 24, 2019, 02:28:15 PM
DelDOT is pushing even harder in Sussex County to get some of their traffic woes resolved according to this article published by the Cape Gazette. (https://www.capegazette.com/article/deldot-upgrade-cape-region-intersections/181369)

Things to note:
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on May 24, 2019, 08:47:46 PM
DelDOT is pushing even harder in Sussex County to get some of their traffic woes resolved according to this article published by the Cape Gazette. (https://www.capegazette.com/article/deldot-upgrade-cape-region-intersections/181369)
It makes sense that they're considering partial closures of the crossovers on DE-1.  I've thought of DE-1 between US-9 and DE-9 as a much more heavily used version of US-301 on the Eastern Shore of Maryland.  Very high speed traffic (experience has shown me that traffic moves around 70-75 on both roads, despite 55mph limits) combined with intersections with rural roads, I always question how people have the courage to cross DE-1, especially in the summer.

I've crossed US-301 (at MD-302) coming from Dover a few times to get to the Bay Bridge, but at least there's usually a break in traffic on 301, but as I said, volumes are so much lower on that road that it's a completely different animal.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on May 24, 2019, 11:07:59 PM
DelDOT is pushing even harder in Sussex County to get some of their traffic woes resolved according to this article published by the Cape Gazette. (https://www.capegazette.com/article/deldot-upgrade-cape-region-intersections/181369)
It makes sense that they're considering partial closures of the crossovers on DE-1.  I've thought of DE-1 between US-9 and DE-9 as a much more heavily used version of US-301 on the Eastern Shore of Maryland.  Very high speed traffic (experience has shown me that traffic moves around 70-75 on both roads, despite 55mph limits) combined with intersections with rural roads, I always question how people have the courage to cross DE-1, especially in the summer.

I've crossed US-301 (at MD-302) coming from Dover a few times to get to the Bay Bridge, but at least there's usually a break in traffic on 301, but as I said, volumes are so much lower on that road that it's a completely different animal.

Those crossovers can get awful during the summer, the Cave Neck Road one sticks out as being a spot where I've seen quite a few near misses. I'm surprised it took them this long to get around to a project like this given that they've been pretty diligent in getting the ones on US 113 taken care of, but at least it's getting done.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on May 25, 2019, 11:17:08 AM
One thing I can say, is that DelDOT is very consistent with light poles.

Anyway, so Milford Bypass is one more step to becoming a freeway.  Impressed! 

Also its so odd to see both routes on signs together given that DE 1 was created to replace most of DE 14 as the two digit route here was the one that went to Fenwick Island and defaulted into MD 528 once upon a time when US 9 did not even exist in Delaware and DE 28 was a route.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 05, 2019, 04:53:36 PM
The speed limit on DE 1 from Tybouts Corner to I-95 is being raised from 55 mph to 60 mph. (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=7697)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on July 05, 2019, 06:26:24 PM
The speed limit on DE 1 from Tybouts Corner to I-95 is being raised from 55 mph to 60 mph. (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=7697)

Thank goodness, that limit drove me nuts. It's pretty much universally ignored.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on July 05, 2019, 10:35:29 PM
The speed limit on DE 1 from Tybouts Corner to I-95 is being raised from 55 mph to 60 mph. (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=7697)

If you can even go that fast, especially southbound during afternoon rush hour or during peak beach traffic on weekends
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on July 06, 2019, 11:34:36 AM
The speed limit on DE 1 from Tybouts Corner to I-95 is being raised from 55 mph to 60 mph. (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=7697)

Thank goodness, that limit drove me nuts. It's pretty much universally ignored.
Personally, unless I'm heading up towards Christiana Mall or somewhere on Limestone Road/Kennett Square, I never drive on that stretch of DE-1, it's just too crowded.  I take US-13/40 if I'm heading towards Wilmington, Philadelphia, or New Jersey or take DE-71 or DE-896 if I'm heading towards Newark/Lancaster.
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on July 06, 2019, 11:59:05 AM
The speed limit on DE 1 from Tybouts Corner to I-95 is being raised from 55 mph to 60 mph. (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=7697)

Thank goodness, that limit drove me nuts. It's pretty much universally ignored.
Personally, unless I'm heading up towards Christiana Mall or somewhere on Limestone Road/Kennett Square, I never drive on that stretch of DE-1, it's just too crowded.  I take US-13/40 if I'm heading towards Wilmington, Philadelphia, or New Jersey or take DE-71 or DE-896 if I'm heading towards Newark/Lancaster.
Its a good transition from the 1 to 95 & etc. It will help people who were driving from 55-65 to now 60-80.

Even though most people ignore it. “Nimbys”  tend to drive a little slower dont they?

When they add that 3rd lane on SB 1 from the mall to the Tybouts it will definitely eliminate the traffic worm that is from the 95 ramps to the mall when you drive on SB1.


Its interesting after they built the 95 flyover ramps that they didn’t atleast extend the Christiana mall exit & 273 exit to have atleast 3 lanes that stay, instead of all merging into 2 lanes & the 273 exit lane is an exit only.

Edit: I hope everyone had a great 4th

Edittotheedit: Yes I agree peter and alex.

Its funny how 13/40 moves faster then 95 sometimes. Even airport road is the fastest when 95/295 are backed up.



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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 06, 2019, 04:48:06 PM
The speed limit on DE 1 from Tybouts Corner to I-95 is being raised from 55 mph to 60 mph. (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=7697)

If you can even go that fast, especially southbound during afternoon rush hour or during peak beach traffic on weekends

Speed limits aren't set for congested rush hour traffic. They're set for the other 22 hours of the day traffic flows unimpeded.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on July 06, 2019, 10:17:17 PM
Its funny how 13/40 moves faster then 95 sometimes. Even airport road is the fastest when 95/295 are backed up.
For me, it's not even a matter of 13/40 moving faster than 95 at 295, I just really don't like driving on that stretch of road.  Granted, 13/40 isn't much fun either, but at least all the lanes generally move consistently.  Also, I tend to have a preference for the shorter route vs. the "faster" route.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on July 07, 2019, 10:46:19 PM
Its funny how 13/40 moves faster then 95 sometimes. Even airport road is the fastest when 95/295 are backed up.
For me, it's not even a matter of 13/40 moving faster than 95 at 295, I just really don't like driving on that stretch of road.  Granted, 13/40 isn't much fun either, but at least all the lanes generally move consistently.  Also, I tend to have a preference for the shorter route vs. the "faster" route.
That makes sense. From my driving experience. I don’t know if I’m correct or not. But the highway (fastest route) & the local roads (shortest route) usually get you to the location you are going at the same time, that is unless there isn’t any accidents on either routes making the travel time lengthy.

I know GPS usually has the highway marked for shortest route. I assume that’s because a highway cuts through everything.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on July 08, 2019, 09:34:39 PM
Doesn't look like the DE 1/US 9/DE 404/Business US 9 intersection is going to be bypassed any time soon...

https://www.capegazette.com/article/deldot-road-projects-will-not-be-five-points-bypass/184007

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on July 09, 2019, 01:02:19 AM
Doesn't look like the DE 1/US 9/DE 404/Business US 9 intersection is going to be bypassed any time soon...

https://www.capegazette.com/article/deldot-road-projects-will-not-be-five-points-bypass/184007

ixnay

The title is a bit misleading, they're moreso stating that the upcoming projects aren't supposed to siphon much traffic off of DE 1 as opposed to ruling out any kind of diversion projects around there. I believe the working group for the Five Points Study put forth a few recommendations for new facilities to relieve DE 1 in the longer term, though I can't recall if any were to the scale of the Western Parkway project from the 2000s.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on July 10, 2019, 11:46:26 AM
The title is a bit misleading,

Too bad the Cape Gazette's website doesn't have an editor's email link.  Iykwim.

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I can't recall if any were to the scale of the Western Parkway project from the 2000s.

Any links to maps of that project available?

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on July 10, 2019, 06:05:53 PM

Any links to maps of that project available?

ixnay

Here you go!

https://deldot.gov/information/projects/FivePoints/pdfs/Studies/WesternParkway/WesternParkway-FivePointsPresentation02-11-2008.pdf (https://deldot.gov/information/projects/FivePoints/pdfs/Studies/WesternParkway/WesternParkway-FivePointsPresentation02-11-2008.pdf)
https://deldot.gov/information/projects/FivePoints/pdfs/Studies/WesternParkway/WesternParkway-PresentationtoSussexCouncil-2006.pdf (https://deldot.gov/information/projects/FivePoints/pdfs/Studies/WesternParkway/WesternParkway-PresentationtoSussexCouncil-2006.pdf)

DelDOT posted a bunch of old area studies on the main Five Points page. (https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/fivepoints/)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on July 11, 2019, 10:36:11 AM
A big part of the problem is the local governments approving development willy-nilly without protecting a corridor or right-of-way that could be used for a DE 1 alternative.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 11, 2019, 12:55:11 PM
A big part of the problem is the local governments approving development willy-nilly without protecting a corridor or right-of-way that could be used for a DE 1 alternative.

But they would need direction from the state as to where a DE 1 Alt would be placed, and the type of road it would be (limited access, local 2/4 lane road, etc).  And unless the state buys the land or somehow gets it restricted, it shouldn't be up to local governments to figure out where such a highway would go. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on July 11, 2019, 01:11:16 PM

Any links to maps of that project available?

ixnay

Here you go!

https://deldot.gov/information/projects/FivePoints/pdfs/Studies/WesternParkway/WesternParkway-FivePointsPresentation02-11-2008.pdf (https://deldot.gov/information/projects/FivePoints/pdfs/Studies/WesternParkway/WesternParkway-FivePointsPresentation02-11-2008.pdf)
https://deldot.gov/information/projects/FivePoints/pdfs/Studies/WesternParkway/WesternParkway-PresentationtoSussexCouncil-2006.pdf (https://deldot.gov/information/projects/FivePoints/pdfs/Studies/WesternParkway/WesternParkway-PresentationtoSussexCouncil-2006.pdf)

DelDOT posted a bunch of old area studies on the main Five Points page. (https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/fivepoints/)

Thanks!  I'll look at it closely when I get a chance.  Meantime, the rest of you, feel free to do the same now or later.

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on July 11, 2019, 10:39:33 PM
A big part of the problem is the local governments approving development willy-nilly without protecting a corridor or right-of-way that could be used for a DE 1 alternative.
I'm just going to say one word.

Yup.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on August 05, 2019, 04:12:08 PM
https://www.capegazette.com/article/deldot-unveils-timetable-route-1-improvements/185311

The article includes maps of the proposed interchange at DE 1 and 16 and improvements near the Nassau bypass.

And a related link...

https://www.capegazette.com/article/route-1-route-16-traffic-light-remains-issue/185637

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jcn on August 16, 2019, 01:14:45 PM
Question, for those of you that have driven over the Delaware Memorial Bridge, have any of you noticed the antenna towers of Roxborough in the distance.  Drawing a line from the DMB to the Roxborough towers on a map, they are just to the left of the Commodore Barry Bridge.  It will probably be easier to spot them at night with their red blinking lights.  So again, have any of you noticed them from DMB, if not, see if you could spot them by looking to the left of the CBB.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 16, 2019, 02:32:48 PM
Question, for those of you that have driven over the Delaware Memorial Bridge, have any of you noticed the antenna towers of Roxborough in the distance.  Drawing a line from the DMB to the Roxborough towers on a map, they are just to the left of the Commodore Barry Bridge.  It will probably be easier to spot them at night with their red blinking lights.  So again, have any of you noticed them from DMB, if not, see if you could spot them by looking to the left of the CBB.

To be honest, I've never looked for them.  On clear days/nights I easily see the Philly skyline though.  Next time I drive over I'll see if I can find them.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: The Ghostbuster on August 16, 2019, 04:37:54 PM
I think State Highway 1 should have its exits changed back to mileage-based (like the northern-most few were originally), especially since some of the newer interchanges have numbers that are not correctly numbered by the distance to the Delaware/Maryland border, even based on kilometers. Examples: Exit 79 should be Exit 72; Exit 83 should be Exit 77; Exit 86 should be Exit 80; and Exit 88 should be Exit 83.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jp the roadgeek on August 16, 2019, 10:20:40 PM
Here’s what I have for DE 1 exits going mileage based, including some of the newer Milford area exits.

Exit 39: DE 30 Lincoln
Exit 40 (NB ONLY): DE 1 BUS NORTH Milford
Exit 41: DE 36 Milford/Slaughter Beach
Exit 42: DE 14 WEST NE Front St
Exit 44 (SB ONLY): US 113 SOUTH TO DEL 1 BUS SOUTH Milford/Georgetown
Exit 46: Thompsonville Rd
Exit 48: Frederica Rd
Exit 50: DE 12 WEST N Frederica
Exit 56A (56 SB): DE 9 NORTH Kitts Hummock/Little Creek
Exit 56B (NB ONLY) Dover AFB Commercial Gate
Exit 57: Dover AFB Main Gate/Visitors
Exit 58: NB: DE 10 WEST Dover/Camden; SB: TO DE 10 South Dover/Camden//Dover AFB North Gate

Exit 60 (SB ONLY) TO US 13 Salisbury/Norfolk
Exit 61 (SB ONLY): DE 8 Downtown Dover/Little Creek
Exit 65: US 13 TO DE 8 North Dover
Exit 71: US 13 (TO DE 6/DE 300 NB) South Smyrna
Exit 75 (A/B SB): US 13 (TO DE 6/DE 300 75B): N Smyrna/Townsend (NB) Townsend (75A) Smyrna (75B)

Exit 85: DE 299 TO US 13 Odessa/Middletown
Exit 89: US 13/DE 896 (TO US 301 NB) Mt Pleasant (NB & SB)/St George’s (NB) Boyd’s Corner (SB)

Exit 90 (SB ONLY) US 301 SOUTH Annapolis
Exit 92 (SB ONLY) US 13 S St George’s
Exit 94: NB: DE 72 TO DE 7 Delaware City/Newark; SB: US 13 SOUTH/DE 72 Delaware City/St George’s

Exit 97 (A/B SB): NB: US 13 NORTH TO I-295/NJTP/Airport New Castle/NYC;  97A SB: DE 71 SOUTH Red Lion. 97B SB: US 13 NORTH Wilmington

Exit 99 US 40  Elton MD/State Road (NB); Bear/Glasgow (SB)
Exit 100: DE 273 (TO Airport SB); Newark/New Castle (controls flipped SB)
Exit 101: DE 7 Christiana Mall Rd
Exit 102A (NB ONLY): I-95 NORTH Flyover (TO I-295/NJTP NJ/NYC & I-495 Wilmington/Philly)
Exit 102B: I-95 NORTH Wilmington/Philadelphia
Exit 102C: I-95 SOUTH Newark/Baltimore
Exit 103: DE 58 Churchmans Cr
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on August 19, 2019, 08:25:23 AM
Here’s what I have for DE 1 exits going mileage based, including some of the newer Milford area exits.

Exit 39: DE 30 Lincoln
Exit 40 (NB ONLY): DE 1 BUS NORTH Milford
Exit 41: DE 36 Milford/Slaughter Beach
Exit 42: DE 14 WEST NE Front St
Exit 44 (SB ONLY): US 113 SOUTH TO DEL 1 BUS SOUTH Milford/Georgetown
Exit 46: Thompsonville Rd
Exit 48: Frederica Rd
Exit 50: DE 12 WEST N Frederica
Exit 56A (56 SB): DE 9 NORTH Kitts Hummock/Little Creek
Exit 56B (NB ONLY) Dover AFB Commercial Gate
Exit 57: Dover AFB Main Gate/Visitors
Exit 58: NB: DE 10 WEST Dover/Camden; SB: TO DE 10 South Dover/Camden//Dover AFB North Gate
...
Exit 101: DE 7 Christiana Mall Rd
...
Exit 88 (present day) Bowers Beach is missing, for now I think that would be good as 52 (don't have a list in front of me right now).

For Exit 95 (present day)/Exit 58 (proposed), I'd do Exit 59 southbound.  I know it's a bit of a nitpick, but they are still about 1 mile apart from each other.

I think for Exit 164 (present day)/Exit 101 (proposed), it's split southbound as DE-7 SB to Christiana and a separate exit for Mall Road.  I can't remember the order exactly, but I think it would be Exit 101A for DE-7 SB and Exit 101B for Mall Road.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on August 23, 2019, 07:13:14 PM
Per a text message I received from Bob, all signs referencing SR 34 are now gone.

I went ahead and amended the SR 34 page (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/de-034/) on AARoads to reference it as a former route.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on September 07, 2019, 12:16:17 AM
I didn’t know we had this sign (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190907/3837c5053ee19e3146d63e4b9ff37ed6.jpg)


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jemacedo9 on September 23, 2019, 12:25:59 PM
Does anyone know the answer to this:

On DE 1 NB only, in Smyrna at the overpass of US 13 at Exit 119, there are signs for trucks over 5T GWV to use the right lane.  There is also a sign for trucks to view a message on a VMS when flashing.  All of this has been around for a few years now. 

It seems like there is a pretty good sized bump up in the left lane to get onto that overpass...like there has been some undermining of the approach slab - is that it? Or something else?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on September 23, 2019, 12:42:11 PM
Does anyone know the answer to this:

On DE 1 NB only, in Smyrna at the overpass of US 13 at Exit 119, there are signs for trucks over 5T GWV to use the right lane.  There is also a sign for trucks to view a message on a VMS when flashing.  All of this has been around for a few years now. 

It seems like there is a pretty good sized bump up in the left lane to get onto that overpass...like there has been some undermining of the approach slab - is that it? Or something else?

It's an electronic weigh-in-motion scale for trucks, I believe.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 23, 2019, 06:17:05 PM
Does anyone know the answer to this:

On DE 1 NB only, in Smyrna at the overpass of US 13 at Exit 119, there are signs for trucks over 5T GWV to use the right lane.  There is also a sign for trucks to view a message on a VMS when flashing.  All of this has been around for a few years now. 

It seems like there is a pretty good sized bump up in the left lane to get onto that overpass...like there has been some undermining of the approach slab - is that it? Or something else?

It's an electronic weigh-in-motion scale for trucks, I believe.

Yeah, the electronic signs light up when certain conditions are met and I believe they direct trucks off of SR 1 onto US 13 to use the full weigh station near Blackbird.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jemacedo9 on September 24, 2019, 08:18:41 AM
^ Makes sense - thanks!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 10, 2019, 07:15:08 PM
New traffic pattern planned at the DE 1 Biddle Corner Toll Plaza.

From DelDOT:  https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=7851
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 14, 2019, 01:14:21 AM
Hello everyone, I hope everyone is having a happy fall. If you dont know already there has been many projects completed or started in New Castle county.

1. RED MILL RD RECONSTRUCTION. Has been completed. I will take pictures & post the new configuration of the intersection.

2. Limestone road has been repaved from Kirkwood Hwy  To the PA Border. Also in the news the speed limit will be decreased from 50-45.

3. 141 SB RECONSTRUCTION is moving along & the Newark 95 exit has been closed for sometime & they are already pouring concrete for the ramp.

4. Work on DE-1 has begun again, it seems they have started the bridge widening on Road A as well & thats moving along fast.

5. 95 from Concord ave exit to the PA border has been repaved in both directions. Is this what it looked like when it was first built? , marsh road exit is still closed due to a reconstruction & signs along 95 are being updated.

6. Main St RECONSTRUCTION seems to be moving along steadily. Curb bumps have been installed on the left side with new parking ticket machines (like the ones in Philly) the right side is now being finished & pavement all around is getting redone. Many new buildings are also getting renovated as Well.

7. Wilmingtons projects including the new bus station & bridge are moving along. The bridge & 13 intersection are nearing completion. While the new bus terminal is being built & the road in front of the train station has been reconfigured. Talks of Wilmington Parking Authority being ran poorly was in the papers. Ill find the link & post it as Well.

8. Bear De intersection Route 40/7 has been updated with mass arm lights. Cross walks & sidewalks have been added as Well.

9. Wrangle Hill road widening is in full progress from De 1 all the way too porter road. A new business district in the old farm by Red-lion Rd & Wrangle Hill has started construction, as Well as a new Wawa & shopping center on the corner of Red-lion rd & Wrangle Hill Rd. Further down the road @the Route 40 intersection with fox run that intersection is nearing completion as they start the Del Law road reconfiguration.


That is all I can think of for now but its a-lot going on, a sign of progress!!


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on October 14, 2019, 04:36:37 PM
Hello everyone, I hope everyone is having a happy fall. If you dont know already there has been many projects completed or started in New Castle county.

1. RED MILL RD RECONSTRUCTION. Has been completed. I will take pictures & post the new configuration of the intersection.

2. Limestone road has been repaved from Kirkwood Hwy  To the PA Border. Also in the news the speed limit will be decreased from 50-45.

3. 141 SB RECONSTRUCTION is moving along & the Newark 95 exit has been closed for sometime & they are already pouring concrete for the ramp.

4. Work on DE-1 has begun again, it seems they have started the bridge widening on Road A as well & thats moving along fast.

5. 95 from Concord ave exit to the PA border has been repaved in both directions. Is this what it looked like when it was first built? , marsh road exit is still closed due to a reconstruction & signs along 95 are being updated.

6. Main St RECONSTRUCTION seems to be moving along steadily. Curb bumps have been installed on the left side with new parking ticket machines (like the ones in Philly) the right side is now being finished & pavement all around is getting redone. Many new buildings are also getting renovated as Well.

7. Wilmingtons projects including the new bus station & bridge are moving along. The bridge & 13 intersection are nearing completion. While the new bus terminal is being built & the road in front of the train station has been reconfigured. Talks of Wilmington Parking Authority being ran poorly was in the papers. Ill find the link & post it as Well.

8. Bear De intersection Route 40/7 has been updated with mass arm lights. Cross walks & sidewalks have been added as Well.

9. Wrangle Hill road widening is in full progress from De 1 all the way too porter road. A new business district in the old farm by Red-lion Rd & Wrangle Hill has started construction, as Well as a new Wawa & shopping center on the corner of Red-lion rd & Wrangle Hill Rd. Further down the road @the Route 40 intersection with fox run that intersection is nearing completion as they start the Del Law road reconfiguration.


That is all I can think of for now but its a-lot going on, a sign of progress!!


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I think they start Elkton Road construction next year - they were doing some sort of work this summer that might have been preparation.  So much for that shunpike starting next year.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 14, 2019, 05:51:19 PM
9. Wrangle Hill road widening is in full progress from De 1 all the way too porter road. A new business district in the old farm by Red-lion Rd & Wrangle Hill has started construction, as Well as a new Wawa & shopping center on the corner of Red-lion rd & Wrangle Hill Rd. Further down the road @the Route 40 intersection with fox run that intersection is nearing completion as they start the Del Law road reconfiguration.

IIRC that widening project should only be going from DE 1 to a little beyond DE 71, have they started the actual widening project or are they just doing advanced utility relocations?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 15, 2019, 12:54:31 AM
Hello everyone, I hope everyone is having a happy fall. If you dont know already there has been many projects completed or started in New Castle county.

1. RED MILL RD RECONSTRUCTION. Has been completed. I will take pictures & post the new configuration of the intersection.

2. Limestone road has been repaved from Kirkwood Hwy  To the PA Border. Also in the news the speed limit will be decreased from 50-45.

3. 141 SB RECONSTRUCTION is moving along & the Newark 95 exit has been closed for sometime & they are already pouring concrete for the ramp.

4. Work on DE-1 has begun again, it seems they have started the bridge widening on Road A as well & thats moving along fast.

5. 95 from Concord ave exit to the PA border has been repaved in both directions. Is this what it looked like when it was first built? , marsh road exit is still closed due to a reconstruction & signs along 95 are being updated.

6. Main St RECONSTRUCTION seems to be moving along steadily. Curb bumps have been installed on the left side with new parking ticket machines (like the ones in Philly) the right side is now being finished & pavement all around is getting redone. Many new buildings are also getting renovated as Well.

7. Wilmingtons projects including the new bus station & bridge are moving along. The bridge & 13 intersection are nearing completion. While the new bus terminal is being built & the road in front of the train station has been reconfigured. Talks of Wilmington Parking Authority being ran poorly was in the papers. Ill find the link & post it as Well.

8. Bear De intersection Route 40/7 has been updated with mass arm lights. Cross walks & sidewalks have been added as Well.

9. Wrangle Hill road widening is in full progress from De 1 all the way too porter road. A new business district in the old farm by Red-lion Rd & Wrangle Hill has started construction, as Well as a new Wawa & shopping center on the corner of Red-lion rd & Wrangle Hill Rd. Further down the road @the Route 40 intersection with fox run that intersection is nearing completion as they start the Del Law road reconfiguration.


That is all I can think of for now but its a-lot going on, a sign of progress!!


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I think they start Elkton Road construction next year - they were doing some sort of work this summer that might have been preparation.  So much for that shunpike starting next year.
I was wondering if they were preparing the area for the widening project. They opened the lanes back up again. So I assume they will start doing some more work again soon.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 15, 2019, 12:57:59 AM
9. Wrangle Hill road widening is in full progress from De 1 all the way too porter road. A new business district in the old farm by Red-lion Rd & Wrangle Hill has started construction, as Well as a new Wawa & shopping center on the corner of Red-lion rd & Wrangle Hill Rd. Further down the road @the Route 40 intersection with fox run that intersection is nearing completion as they start the Del Law road reconfiguration.

IIRC that widening project should only be going from DE 1 to a little beyond DE 71, have they started the actual widening project or are they just doing advanced utility relocations?
They have already moved the utilities back. Put the black protector barrier for run off. & tilled the dirt for the next part. From the looks of it. It looks like the widening is going to about the train tracks. Maybe they will just be doing improvements. But they really have that area staged & ready. I guess we will know when the asphalt is laid.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on October 15, 2019, 08:51:54 AM
Hello everyone, I hope everyone is having a happy fall. If you dont know already there has been many projects completed or started in New Castle county.

5. 95 from Concord ave exit to the PA border has been repaved in both directions. Is this what it looked like when it was first built? , marsh road exit is still closed due to a reconstruction & signs along 95 are being updated.


Not quite, prior to 2000, the 1960s concrete roadway was still in use. Some of the photos on the AARoads Archives (https://www.aaroads.com/albums/nggallery/delaware):

I-95 north at the Rockwood Road underpass in 1985:

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/i-095-de-archive-north/i-095_nb_exit_009_25.jpg)

I-95 north at the SR 3 underpass in 1985:

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/i-095-de-archive-north/i-095_nb_exit_010_21.jpg)

I-95 north at the PA line in 1985:

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/i-095-de-archive-north/i-095_nb_exit_011_26.jpg)

I-95 south after SR 3 in 1985:

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/i-095-de-archive-south/i-095_sb_exit_008_21.jpg)


7. Wilmingtons projects including the new bus station & bridge are moving along. The bridge & 13 intersection are nearing completion. While the new bus terminal is being built & the road in front of the train station has been reconfigured. Talks of Wilmington Parking Authority being ran poorly was in the papers. Ill find the link & post it as Well.

What is the status of the Front St/Walnut Street reconfiguration?
https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201504109
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on October 15, 2019, 11:34:49 PM
Found out from Bob that this classic set of signals in Marshallton is no more:

(https://www.aaroads.com/de/002/old-capitol-tr-e-at-newport-rd.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/de/002/old-capitol-tr-e-at-newport-rd.jpg)

These were recently replaced with mast arm supported signals. This leaves just the 12-8-8 signals at Kiamensi/Newport Roads near Newport and Baynard Boulevard/Shipley Road near Brandywine Hundred as the lone area hold outs.
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 15, 2019, 11:39:39 PM
Hello everyone, I hope everyone is having a happy fall. If you dont know already there has been many projects completed or started in New Castle county.

5. 95 from Concord ave exit to the PA border has been repaved in both directions. Is this what it looked like when it was first built? , marsh road exit is still closed due to a reconstruction & signs along 95 are being updated.


Not quite, prior to 2000, the 1960s concrete roadway was still in use. Some of the photos on the AARoads Archives (https://www.aaroads.com/albums/nggallery/delaware):

I-95 north at the Rockwood Road underpass in 1985:

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/i-095-de-archive-north/i-095_nb_exit_009_25.jpg)

I-95 north at the SR 3 underpass in 1985:

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/i-095-de-archive-north/i-095_nb_exit_010_21.jpg)

I-95 north at the PA line in 1985:

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/i-095-de-archive-north/i-095_nb_exit_011_26.jpg)

I-95 south after SR 3 in 1985:

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/i-095-de-archive-south/i-095_sb_exit_008_21.jpg)


7. Wilmingtons projects including the new bus station & bridge are moving along. The bridge & 13 intersection are nearing completion. While the new bus terminal is being built & the road in front of the train station has been reconfigured. Talks of Wilmington Parking Authority being ran poorly was in the papers. Ill find the link & post it as Well.

What is the status of the Front St/Walnut Street reconfiguration?
https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201504109


I can take some pics when I head over there again, but it now has 4 lanes & a mastarm set up, the old bend to turn is now being reconstructed aswell.

Edit: Thats interesting. So all roads were originally concrete!? When did asphalt become a thing? 95 really still looks the same to this day. Wow!


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 16, 2019, 06:16:43 PM
Alternatives for the latest interchange project along SR 1 have been posted on DelDOT's website, this one being at Cave Neck Road just north of Lewes.

It seems like they're following the same idea as the Minos Conaway Road interchange just to the south by scooting SR 1 off to the side and converting one of the old carriageways into a frontage road for local access. This interchange and the development project to the east that you see marked as "to be built by others" on the plans have been the focus of intense debate about expanding residential and commercial development radiating outward from the beaches.

Project Website (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201912201)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on October 16, 2019, 07:18:42 PM
Alternatives for the latest interchange project along SR 1 have been posted on DelDOT's website, this one being at Cave Neck Road just north of Lewes.

It seems like they're following the same idea as the Minos Conaway Road interchange just to the south by scooting SR 1 off to the side and converting one of the old carriageways into a frontage road for local access. This interchange and the development project to the east that you see marked as "to be built by others" on the plans have been the focus of intense debate about expanding residential and commercial development radiating outward from the beaches.

Project Website (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201912201)

This won't change anything as far as northbound access to Heritage Antiques.  Northbounders will still have to overshoot it  (unless they are nb on the frontage road). :)

But it will change access to the Red Mill Inn.  Right now, northbounders can turn left directly into Red Mill.  This project will cause them to overshoot it too (again, except when on the frontage road northbound).

ixnay

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on October 18, 2019, 02:23:23 PM
Found out from Bob that this classic set of signals in Marshallton is no more:

(https://www.aaroads.com/de/002/old-capitol-tr-e-at-newport-rd.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/de/002/old-capitol-tr-e-at-newport-rd.jpg)

These were recently replaced with mast arm supported signals. This leaves just the 12-8-8 signals at Kiamensi/Newport Roads near Newport and Baynard Boulevard/Shipley Road near Brandywine Hundred as the lone area hold outs.
There's also this assembly on Foulk Road (DE-261) at Brandywine High School (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8005661,-75.5224006,3a,75y,214.35h,90.07t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLvl8Cjv2X2XvMsNM8WQULg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).  I was there probably 2 months ago and it was still around.  I doubt it's been replaced.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 18, 2019, 11:16:18 PM
Found out from Bob that this classic set of signals in Marshallton is no more:

(https://www.aaroads.com/de/002/old-capitol-tr-e-at-newport-rd.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/de/002/old-capitol-tr-e-at-newport-rd.jpg)

These were recently replaced with mast arm supported signals. This leaves just the 12-8-8 signals at Kiamensi/Newport Roads near Newport and Baynard Boulevard/Shipley Road near Brandywine Hundred as the lone area hold outs.
There's also this assembly on Foulk Road (DE-261) at Brandywine High School (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8005661,-75.5224006,3a,75y,214.35h,90.07t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLvl8Cjv2X2XvMsNM8WQULg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).  I was there probably 2 months ago and it was still around.  I doubt it's been replaced.

The Kiamensi Road signals are likely on their last legs, they've been set to flash for the past year or so with signs posted at the intersection saying the signal is under study for removal.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on October 19, 2019, 03:36:25 PM
3. 141 SB RECONSTRUCTION is moving along & the Newark 95 exit has been closed for sometime & they are already pouring concrete for the ramp.
Something I noticed on DE-141 SB today at I-95 SB was that there appeared to be a traffic signal assembly installed where the I-95 SB to DE-141 SB ramp merges with DE-141.  I'm not sure what this will be used for, but the I-287 EB/Hutchinson Parkway interchange in the White Plains NY area (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.014232,-73.7218519,3a,41.7y,98.88h,99.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0tdTNF2jqPj0Dx9fZkU6nQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) came to mind (they have lights at that interchange I'm assuming to prevent weaving).
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 19, 2019, 03:41:02 PM
3. 141 SB RECONSTRUCTION is moving along & the Newark 95 exit has been closed for sometime & they are already pouring concrete for the ramp.
Something I noticed on DE-141 SB today at I-95 SB was that there appeared to be a traffic signal assembly installed where the I-95 SB to DE-141 SB ramp merges with DE-141.  I'm not sure what this will be used for, but the I-287 EB/Hutchinson Parkway interchange in the White Plains NY area (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.014232,-73.7218519,3a,41.7y,98.88h,99.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0tdTNF2jqPj0Dx9fZkU6nQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) came to mind (they have lights at that interchange I'm assuming to prevent weaving).
I was wondering that aswell. Maybe thats what its for good call. We will know when its finished. Unless it’s temporary for night construction.

Also 295 in Nj by the Mega Weave has a light right before the tunnel, is this to stop people from going into the tunnel incase of back ups?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 19, 2019, 04:08:27 PM
3. 141 SB RECONSTRUCTION is moving along & the Newark 95 exit has been closed for sometime & they are already pouring concrete for the ramp.
Something I noticed on DE-141 SB today at I-95 SB was that there appeared to be a traffic signal assembly installed where the I-95 SB to DE-141 SB ramp merges with DE-141.  I'm not sure what this will be used for, but the I-287 EB/Hutchinson Parkway interchange in the White Plains NY area (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.014232,-73.7218519,3a,41.7y,98.88h,99.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0tdTNF2jqPj0Dx9fZkU6nQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) came to mind (they have lights at that interchange I'm assuming to prevent weaving).

Given the proximity to the bridge over I-95 / 295 NB, I'm assuming SR 141's two lanes will be split to the outsides of the bridge while construction crews work in the center, and that the temporary signal will alternate traffic going through that right-hand chute over the bridge. I'd have to find construction plans somewhere to be sure though.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 19, 2019, 05:58:04 PM
3. 141 SB RECONSTRUCTION is moving along & the Newark 95 exit has been closed for sometime & they are already pouring concrete for the ramp.
Something I noticed on DE-141 SB today at I-95 SB was that there appeared to be a traffic signal assembly installed where the I-95 SB to DE-141 SB ramp merges with DE-141.  I'm not sure what this will be used for, but the I-287 EB/Hutchinson Parkway interchange in the White Plains NY area (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.014232,-73.7218519,3a,41.7y,98.88h,99.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0tdTNF2jqPj0Dx9fZkU6nQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) came to mind (they have lights at that interchange I'm assuming to prevent weaving).
I was wondering that aswell. Maybe thats what its for good call. We will know when its finished. Unless it’s temporary for night construction.

Also 295 in Nj by the Mega Weave has a light right before the tunnel, is this to stop people from going into the tunnel incase of back ups?


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That light on 295 in NJ is in case of a major incident within the tunnel, such as a fire, to keep people from traveling into the tunnel.

Otherwise, that tunnel experiences congestion on a daily basis as traffic goes from 5 lanes to 3 about 1/2 mile after the tunnel!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on October 19, 2019, 09:05:33 PM
3. 141 SB RECONSTRUCTION is moving along & the Newark 95 exit has been closed for sometime & they are already pouring concrete for the ramp.
Something I noticed on DE-141 SB today at I-95 SB was that there appeared to be a traffic signal assembly installed where the I-95 SB to DE-141 SB ramp merges with DE-141.  I'm not sure what this will be used for, but the I-287 EB/Hutchinson Parkway interchange in the White Plains NY area (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.014232,-73.7218519,3a,41.7y,98.88h,99.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0tdTNF2jqPj0Dx9fZkU6nQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) came to mind (they have lights at that interchange I'm assuming to prevent weaving).
I was wondering that aswell. Maybe thats what its for good call. We will know when its finished. Unless it’s temporary for night construction.

Also 295 in Nj by the Mega Weave has a light right before the tunnel, is this to stop people from going into the tunnel incase of back ups?


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That light on 295 in NJ is in case of a major incident within the tunnel, such as a fire, to keep people from traveling into the tunnel.

Otherwise, that tunnel experiences congestion on a daily basis as traffic goes from 5 lanes to 3 about 1/2 mile after the tunnel!

Uh.... where *is* the Mega Weave?

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on October 20, 2019, 01:18:57 AM
3. 141 SB RECONSTRUCTION is moving along & the Newark 95 exit has been closed for sometime & they are already pouring concrete for the ramp.
Something I noticed on DE-141 SB today at I-95 SB was that there appeared to be a traffic signal assembly installed where the I-95 SB to DE-141 SB ramp merges with DE-141.  I'm not sure what this will be used for, but the I-287 EB/Hutchinson Parkway interchange in the White Plains NY area (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.014232,-73.7218519,3a,41.7y,98.88h,99.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0tdTNF2jqPj0Dx9fZkU6nQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) came to mind (they have lights at that interchange I'm assuming to prevent weaving).
I was wondering that aswell. Maybe thats what its for good call. We will know when its finished. Unless it’s temporary for night construction.

Also 295 in Nj by the Mega Weave has a light right before the tunnel, is this to stop people from going into the tunnel incase of back ups?


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That light on 295 in NJ is in case of a major incident within the tunnel, such as a fire, to keep people from traveling into the tunnel.

Otherwise, that tunnel experiences congestion on a daily basis as traffic goes from 5 lanes to 3 about 1/2 mile after the tunnel!

Uh.... where *is* the Mega Weave?

ixnay
From context, just north of 76/42.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 20, 2019, 03:00:04 AM
3. 141 SB RECONSTRUCTION is moving along & the Newark 95 exit has been closed for sometime & they are already pouring concrete for the ramp.
Something I noticed on DE-141 SB today at I-95 SB was that there appeared to be a traffic signal assembly installed where the I-95 SB to DE-141 SB ramp merges with DE-141.  I'm not sure what this will be used for, but the I-287 EB/Hutchinson Parkway interchange in the White Plains NY area (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.014232,-73.7218519,3a,41.7y,98.88h,99.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0tdTNF2jqPj0Dx9fZkU6nQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) came to mind (they have lights at that interchange I'm assuming to prevent weaving).
I was wondering that aswell. Maybe thats what its for good call. We will know when its finished. Unless it’s temporary for night construction.

Also 295 in Nj by the Mega Weave has a light right before the tunnel, is this to stop people from going into the tunnel incase of back ups?


iPhone

That light on 295 in NJ is in case of a major incident within the tunnel, such as a fire, to keep people from traveling into the tunnel.

Otherwise, that tunnel experiences congestion on a daily basis as traffic goes from 5 lanes to 3 about 1/2 mile after the tunnel!

Uh.... where *is* the Mega Weave?

ixnay

The weave, as it as known, is long gone. Formerly traffic merging between 295 and 42/76 weaved between lanes in less than a distance of 1/4 mile. That issue has long been eliminated.  Today, traffic on 295 still weaves in that it has the sharp 35 mph curves as it parallels 42/76, but the exits and entrances are more standard ramp merges now.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 22, 2019, 06:15:31 PM
I was digging through bids on DelDOT's website at work earlier today and came across some interesting details concerning the latter half of the SR 141 / I-95 interchange improvements project. It turns out the plan is to basically separate and extend I-295 SB through the interchange to a merge point near the "sand box." At the same time, I-95 SB will be widened to 4 lanes from the gore at Exit 5 through to the new merge point with I-295 SB. After everything finishes merging in, I-95 will have 4 through lanes continue through the marsh while I-295 will have, with its left lane ending prior to the Christina River. The split at Exit 5 will be updated to include an option lane to accommodate the new lane on I-95 SB. The end result will be 8 lanes total passing beneath SR 141, 2 lanes of I-295, 4 lanes of I-95, and another 2 lanes of CD road for Exit 5.

The general layout will look like this:

(https://i.imgur.com/5YNpY6T.png)

Source:
http://gssdocs.deldot.delaware.gov/bids/T201109001%20-%20Plans.pdf (http://gssdocs.deldot.delaware.gov/bids/T201109001%20-%20Plans.pdf)

I'm pretty surprised I'm just finding out about this now given how big this is for the interstate, I don't believe DelDOT ever marketed this aspect of the project anywhere unless they've been skimping out on uploading workshop documents to the website. Interestingly enough, I think the section of roadway where I-295 and both ramps from SR 141 merge onto I-95 will qualify for the widest segment of standalone carriageway in the state (aside toll plazas) at 8 full width lanes (granted this section doesn't last long as the ramps from SR 141 merge into one lane after a few hundred feet).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on October 22, 2019, 09:07:38 PM
I was digging through bids on DelDOT's website at work earlier today and came across some interesting details concerning the latter half of the SR 141 / I-95 interchange improvements project. It turns out the plan is to basically separate and extend I-295 SB through the interchange to a merge point near the "sand box." At the same time, I-95 SB will be widened to 4 lanes from the gore at Exit 5 through to the new merge point with I-295 SB. After everything finishes merging in, I-95 will have 4 through lanes continue through the marsh while I-295 will have, with its left lane ending prior to the Christina River. The split at Exit 5 will be updated to include an option lane to accommodate the new lane on I-95 SB. The end result will be 8 lanes total passing beneath SR 141, 2 lanes of I-295, 4 lanes of I-95, and another 2 lanes of CD road for Exit 5.

The general layout will look like this:

(https://i.imgur.com/5YNpY6T.png)

Source:
http://gssdocs.deldot.delaware.gov/bids/T201109001%20-%20Plans.pdf (http://gssdocs.deldot.delaware.gov/bids/T201109001%20-%20Plans.pdf)

I'm pretty surprised I'm just finding out about this now given how big this is for the interstate, I don't believe DelDOT ever marketed this aspect of the project anywhere unless they've been skimping out on uploading workshop documents to the website. Interestingly enough, I think the section of roadway where I-295 and both ramps from SR 141 merge onto I-95 will qualify for the widest segment of standalone carriageway in the state (aside toll plazas) at 8 full width lanes (granted this section doesn't last long as the ramps from SR 141 merge into one lane after a few hundred feet).

I’d rather them build a flyover from I-295 to the right side of I-95 for beach traffic to eliminate all the weaving over the Marsh.  They should also separate out I-295 earlier going northbound (though that could just move the backups further south).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 22, 2019, 09:16:44 PM

I'd rather them build a flyover from I-295 to the right side of I-95 for beach traffic to eliminate all the weaving over the Marsh.  They should also separate out I-295 earlier going northbound (though that could just move the backups further south).

Yeah, the backup location would just change.  The ramp from 141 South to 295 North also doesn't have an accel lane which causes confusion and slowdowns as well.  The real issue for 95 North is that there's only 2 lanes for 295 North.  Not a problem Monday - Thursday.  A horrendous problem Friday - Sunday.  The new 141 overpass allows for such widening; the former construction of the barrier on 295 approaching US 13 allows for such widening as well.  But as far as I know the DRBA has no such plans to complete the widening process for any time in the near future.
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 22, 2019, 09:19:40 PM
I was digging through bids on DelDOT's website at work earlier today and came across some interesting details concerning the latter half of the SR 141 / I-95 interchange improvements project. It turns out the plan is to basically separate and extend I-295 SB through the interchange to a merge point near the "sand box." At the same time, I-95 SB will be widened to 4 lanes from the gore at Exit 5 through to the new merge point with I-295 SB. After everything finishes merging in, I-95 will have 4 through lanes continue through the marsh while I-295 will have, with its left lane ending prior to the Christina River. The split at Exit 5 will be updated to include an option lane to accommodate the new lane on I-95 SB. The end result will be 8 lanes total passing beneath SR 141, 2 lanes of I-295, 4 lanes of I-95, and another 2 lanes of CD road for Exit 5.

The general layout will look like this:

(https://i.imgur.com/5YNpY6T.png)

Source:
http://gssdocs.deldot.delaware.gov/bids/T201109001%20-%20Plans.pdf (http://gssdocs.deldot.delaware.gov/bids/T201109001%20-%20Plans.pdf)

I'm pretty surprised I'm just finding out about this now given how big this is for the interstate, I don't believe DelDOT ever marketed this aspect of the project anywhere unless they've been skimping out on uploading workshop documents to the website. Interestingly enough, I think the section of roadway where I-295 and both ramps from SR 141 merge onto I-95 will qualify for the widest segment of standalone carriageway in the state (aside toll plazas) at 8 full width lanes (granted this section doesn't last long as the ramps from SR 141 merge into one lane after a few hundred feet).

I’d rather them build a flyover from I-295 to the right side of I-95 for beach traffic to eliminate all the weaving over the Marsh.  They should also separate out I-295 earlier going northbound (though that could just move the backups further south).
This is true. But the time for that was in the 50’s when they built the highway. The best they can do now is fix the merges or make this whole area a 3-3-3-3 Config.


I think the new deldot site also isnt fully finished because all the project stuff you could see on the old one. Now you cant see anything on the new one.

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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadsguy on October 22, 2019, 09:24:52 PM
Looking further down in those plans, I notice that the new signage for DE 141 omits US 202. Is DelDOT planning to truncate 202 to the interchange north of Wilmington, or are they just de-emphasizing it?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 22, 2019, 09:27:04 PM

I'd rather them build a flyover from I-295 to the right side of I-95 for beach traffic to eliminate all the weaving over the Marsh.  They should also separate out I-295 earlier going northbound (though that could just move the backups further south).

Yeah, the backup location would just change.  The ramp from 141 South to 295 North also doesn't have an accel lane which causes confusion and slowdowns as well.  The real issue for 95 North is that there's only 2 lanes for 295 North.  Not a problem Monday - Thursday.  A horrendous problem Friday - Sunday.  The new 141 overpass allows for such widening; the former construction of the barrier on 295 approaching US 13 allows for such widening as well.  But as far as I know the DRBA has no such plans to complete the widening process for any time in the near future.
Shit before they fix that NB295 141 Lane. They will have to fix the back up that happens on the curve before the bridge. The slowdown that occurs before & after the bridge even though there is no traffic is confusing, 295 on the jersey side is always clear. But traffic slows down. Is that due to State troopers being more aggressive then a black wasp or people merging ?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 22, 2019, 10:54:26 PM
The new 141 overpass allows for such widening; the former construction of the barrier on 295 approaching US 13 allows for such widening as well.  But as far as I know the DRBA has no such plans to complete the widening process for any time in the near future.

DelDOT's latest spend plan has what I can only assume is widening tentatively slated to begin along I-295 NB between SR 141 and US 13 in FY26.
See rows 90-95: https://deldot.gov/Publications/reports/CTP/pdfs/CTP-FY20-FY26-Spend-Plan-COT-Revised.pdf?cache=1571798452414 (https://deldot.gov/Publications/reports/CTP/pdfs/CTP-FY20-FY26-Spend-Plan-COT-Revised.pdf?cache=1571798452414)

Looking further down in those plans, I notice that the new signage for DE 141 omits US 202. Is DelDOT planning to truncate 202 to the interchange north of Wilmington, or are they just de-emphasizing it?
I've not seen any official chatter about truncation, but there's already precedent for truncating more useful US route designations elsewhere in the state, see US 113 from Milford to Dover for instance.  Given how I rarely if ever hear anybody outside of here refer to anything south of Concord Pike as US 202, it's certainly a possibility.

This reminded me of something else I stumbled upon today, the bridge twinning project on Road A over SR 1 by the Christiana Mall seems to be further de-emphasizing SR 1's short trek beyond I-95 to SR 58. The signing and striping plans on pages 130-137 of the link below show a couple of distant references to SR 1 NB past Road A, but none of the signage directly adjacent to the ramps includes any mention of it. Only SR 7 NB and directions to I-95 are referenced. DelDOT's going as far as to post a new 'SR 1 Ends' sign just prior to the new overpass.

http://gssdocs.deldot.delaware.gov/bids/T201009002%20-%20Plans.pdf (http://gssdocs.deldot.delaware.gov/bids/T201009002%20-%20Plans.pdf)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NJRoadfan on October 22, 2019, 11:56:03 PM
Isn't that part of I-295 maintained by the DRBA? They had mileposts there at one time, but no clear jurisdictional markers that I can recall.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 23, 2019, 01:53:07 PM
Isn't that part of I-295 maintained by the DRBA? They had mileposts there at one time, but no clear jurisdictional markers that I can recall.

I believe DRBA jurisdiction starts at US 13 / 40 interchange, which would make sense given that's where the Delaware Memorial Bridge approaches initially dumped you prior to the interstates being built.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 23, 2019, 03:47:03 PM
Isn't that part of I-295 maintained by the DRBA? They had mileposts there at one time, but no clear jurisdictional markers that I can recall.

I believe DRBA jurisdiction starts at US 13 / 40 interchange, which would make sense given that's where the Delaware Memorial Bridge approaches initially dumped you prior to the interstates being built.

Further west/south.

https://goo.gl/maps/wSAJRdUNs6vxTrDq7 , where the pavement changes, which is also approximately where the limit drops from 65 to 50.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 24, 2019, 03:24:03 AM
The new 141 overpass allows for such widening; the former construction of the barrier on 295 approaching US 13 allows for such widening as well.  But as far as I know the DRBA has no such plans to complete the widening process for any time in the near future.

DelDOT's latest spend plan has what I can only assume is widening tentatively slated to begin along I-295 NB between SR 141 and US 13 in FY26.
See rows 90-95: https://deldot.gov/Publications/reports/CTP/pdfs/CTP-FY20-FY26-Spend-Plan-COT-Revised.pdf?cache=1571798452414 (https://deldot.gov/Publications/reports/CTP/pdfs/CTP-FY20-FY26-Spend-Plan-COT-Revised.pdf?cache=1571798452414)

Looking further down in those plans, I notice that the new signage for DE 141 omits US 202. Is DelDOT planning to truncate 202 to the interchange north of Wilmington, or are they just de-emphasizing it?
I've not seen any official chatter about truncation, but there's already precedent for truncating more useful US route designations elsewhere in the state, see US 113 from Milford to Dover for instance.  Given how I rarely if ever hear anybody outside of here refer to anything south of Concord Pike as US 202, it's certainly a possibility.

This reminded me of something else I stumbled upon today, the bridge twinning project on Road A over SR 1 by the Christiana Mall seems to be further de-emphasizing SR 1's short trek beyond I-95 to SR 58. The signing and striping plans on pages 130-137 of the link below show a couple of distant references to SR 1 NB past Road A, but none of the signage directly adjacent to the ramps includes any mention of it. Only SR 7 NB and directions to I-95 are referenced. DelDOT's going as far as to post a new 'SR 1 Ends' sign just prior to the new overpass.

http://gssdocs.deldot.delaware.gov/bids/T201009002%20-%20Plans.pdf (http://gssdocs.deldot.delaware.gov/bids/T201009002%20-%20Plans.pdf)
I guess that means the 1 will Definitely not be extended! .


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on October 24, 2019, 12:26:16 PM
3. 141 SB RECONSTRUCTION is moving along & the Newark 95 exit has been closed for sometime & they are already pouring concrete for the ramp.
Something I noticed on DE-141 SB today at I-95 SB was that there appeared to be a traffic signal assembly installed where the I-95 SB to DE-141 SB ramp merges with DE-141.  I'm not sure what this will be used for, but the I-287 EB/Hutchinson Parkway interchange in the White Plains NY area (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.014232,-73.7218519,3a,41.7y,98.88h,99.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0tdTNF2jqPj0Dx9fZkU6nQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) came to mind (they have lights at that interchange I'm assuming to prevent weaving).

Here's your answer

https://www.wdel.com/news/ramp-rotation-this-weekend-in-newport/article_7d92ddc4-f666-11e9-a2fd-c3f855be97d3.html

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When the ramps are reopened there will be a new traffic pattern with new traffic lights for southbound Route 141.

The Route 141 southbound right lane will have a traffic signal while the left lane will be on constant green, and traffic coming off the ramp from southbound I-95 to southbound 141 will be subject to a traffic light.

Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 24, 2019, 06:40:20 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191025/480e638a10cfa6f6a096908e17d655ef.jpg)

From the nextdoor app itself. The gas that goes to wawa & other little gas stations is “Bare Bone gas”  & we should get our gas from real name “gas stations.”


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: seicer on October 24, 2019, 06:45:25 PM
Consumer Reports agrees that Top Tier gas (what you mentioned) is better for your vehicle: https://www.consumerreports.org/car-maintenance/study-shows-top-tier-gasoline-worth-extra-price/
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 24, 2019, 10:58:32 PM
That said, I wouldn't rely on "Joe Joe" knowledge.  He just said that the gas at Wawa is from his refinery...then says it's from China. Oil comes from the ground. It doesn't care what country it's under.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 24, 2019, 11:00:10 PM
That said, I wouldn't rely on "Joe Joe" knowledge.  He just said that the gas at Wawa is from his refinery...then says it's from China. Oil comes from the ground. It doesn't care what country it's under.
This right here! It was more sarcasm on my part. Sorry if yall couldnt tell. The people on nextdoor talk about the craziest things. You should have seen how they were acting when they were fixing Harmony road & Redmill @ the same time. Talk about crazy.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on October 25, 2019, 03:40:23 PM
Hey! Remember those lights....... (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191025/255ff76ea87cb7b903bef3c3545b18cb.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191025/32e4b1a8d16313c49ab63511a64d5af9.jpg)


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Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 07, 2019, 03:15:33 AM
https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201811001#project-details1  (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201811001#project-details1)


Are the traffic nightmares of De-1 at Christiana mall finally over?! Looks like the 3rd lane going SB is finally getting completed. Slated to start Spring 2020 & end summer 2020.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on November 07, 2019, 12:45:41 PM
https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201811001#project-details1  (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201811001#project-details1)


Are the traffic nightmares of De-1 at Christiana mall finally over?! Looks like the 3rd lane going SB is finally getting completed. Slated to start Spring 2020 & end summer 2020.

Considering the traffic stems from traffic exiting SB at SR 273 and this project addresses the segment between SR 273 and US 40, this project likely isn't going to make any impact on the back-ups into the mall interchange.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 07, 2019, 12:47:43 PM
https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201811001#project-details1  (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201811001#project-details1)


Are the traffic nightmares of De-1 at Christiana mall finally over?! Looks like the 3rd lane going SB is finally getting completed. Slated to start Spring 2020 & end summer 2020.

Considering the traffic stems from traffic exiting SB at SR 273 and this project addresses the segment between SR 273 and US 40, this project likely isn't going to make any impact on the back-ups into the mall interchange.
Aww damn did I read it wrong. I thought it was adding a thru lane from the 273exit to 40 :/. Not after it.


It will still improve the traffic which is also caused from people merging onto the 1 from 273 going SB. So thats a plus.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on December 19, 2019, 12:28:41 PM
Has anyone see these projects they have planned?

Red Mill Rd Reconstruction https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201611601 (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201611601)

Newport Bridge https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201207101 (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201207101)

I-95/273 Improvements to be made before the big reconstruction https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=3912421&iProjectObjectID=1475 (https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=3912421&iProjectObjectID=1475)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 19, 2019, 01:23:18 PM
Has anyone see these projects they have planned?

I-95/273 Improvements to be made before the big reconstruction https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=3912421&iProjectObjectID=1475 (https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=3912421&iProjectObjectID=1475)

They went real basic with this one.  Some of the alternatives included keeping the bridges but making a huge DDI out of them, with traffic flowing the opposite way it does now. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on December 19, 2019, 01:25:37 PM
Has anyone see these projects they have planned?

I-95/273 Improvements to be made before the big reconstruction https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=3912421&iProjectObjectID=1475 (https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=3912421&iProjectObjectID=1475)

They went real basic with this one.  Some of the alternatives included keeping the bridges but making a huge DDI out of them, with traffic flowing the opposite way it does now.
They are still doing that. This was uploaded in Nov of this year. As a temp construction till then (I believe) Look at the chosen plan its a big ass DDI.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on January 28, 2020, 12:26:16 AM
Woah! so I found out that the WILMAPCO site has all the projects from the past to now. Check out this monorail project and its pretty extensive

http://www.wilmapco.org/monorail/ (http://www.wilmapco.org/monorail/)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on January 28, 2020, 08:50:30 AM
Woah! so I found out that the WILMAPCO site has all the projects from the past to now. Check out this monorail project and its pretty extensive

http://www.wilmapco.org/monorail/ (http://www.wilmapco.org/monorail/)

Not extensive enough.  There's no link to that monorail production number on The Simpsons. :)

Mono-D'OH!

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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on January 28, 2020, 10:02:17 AM
Woah! so I found out that the WILMAPCO site has all the projects from the past to now. Check out this monorail project and its pretty extensive

http://www.wilmapco.org/monorail/ (http://www.wilmapco.org/monorail/)

Not extensive enough.  There's no link to that monorail production number on The Simpsons. :)

Mono-D'OH!

ixnay

LMAO! Did you click the link showing the routes the monorail would take? Also their is no documents saying the plan is cancelled so I assume its shelved till the money is there.

Fixed quote.  -Mark
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 02, 2020, 09:47:15 PM
https://delawarebusinessnow.com/2020/01/mumford-and-miller-low-bidder-for-chapman-road-bridge-over-i-95/ (https://delawarebusinessnow.com/2020/01/mumford-and-miller-low-bidder-for-chapman-road-bridge-over-i-95/)

Its beginning to look a lot less traffic less, Chapman bridge is now getting closer to finally getting reconstructed
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 06, 2020, 04:05:37 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200206/187edd270d5d1dbf860c3ad6c4c885eb.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200206/5a2a18d365572a3f8f6f78adf08581f6.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200206/aef885b868223d3c56986dc7a9aaa3b4.jpg)

Looks like things are moving full speed ahead in Wilmington, from the bus depot to the new riverfront roads.

I wondered how they were gonna do that intersection with the gas lines right there. I guess we know now. LOL.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on February 06, 2020, 04:34:18 PM
What's being constructed there?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 06, 2020, 04:51:28 PM
What's being constructed there?
Which pic P?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: KEVIN_224 on February 06, 2020, 10:55:36 PM
I see that one of those pics isn't too far from Frawley Stadium, home of the Wilmington Blue Rocks (A-level Kansas City Royals). I was last at that stadium in 2014 (May 2015 for Delaware itself).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on February 07, 2020, 10:13:30 AM
What's being constructed there?
Which pic P?
All three pics.  One of them is clearly near Frawley Stadium/Judy Johnson Field where the Blue Rocks play.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 07, 2020, 10:53:06 AM
I wondered how they were gonna do that intersection with the gas lines right there. I guess we know now. LOL.

Everything can be moved.  It's just how much money they want to spend dealing with it!
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 07, 2020, 11:18:01 AM
What's being constructed there?
Which pic P?
All three pics.  One of them is clearly near Frawley Stadium/Judy Johnson Field where the Blue Rocks play.
Image 1 is a new road going from the movie theater intersection.

Image 2 is the new bus depot for Dart, by the train station.

Image 3 is the new intersection.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 07, 2020, 11:19:28 AM
I wondered how they were gonna do that intersection with the gas lines right there. I guess we know now. LOL.

Everything can be moved.  It's just how much money they want to spend dealing with it!

Thats very true. I wonder what cane first though, the pipes or the riverfront?!


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 07, 2020, 11:33:06 AM
I wondered how they were gonna do that intersection with the gas lines right there. I guess we know now. LOL.

Everything can be moved.  It's just how much money they want to spend dealing with it!

Thats very true. I wonder what cane first though, the pipes or the riverfront?!


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Based on where they're located in that pic, they were probably moved to that location during a previous construction project.

They are constantly moving things around in that Waterfront area. I was there back in the mid-90's when Kanunaville was the big - and really only - player in that area.  I think it was easier to get around then because the road basically led you there, unlike today where it seems anything involves 3 or 4 turns at lights that will never be synced properly!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on February 07, 2020, 08:31:48 PM
Image 2 is the new bus depot for Dart, by the train station.

Looking at GSV, as recently as June 2018, the bus depot site (Walnut [US Bus. 13 NB] and Front Sts.) was home to Hertz, Avis, Budget, and Enterprise used car lots.  Where did they move to?

Also this will be an intercity bus depot, right?  Or will DART have a major presence as well?

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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 07, 2020, 09:51:27 PM
Image 2 is the new bus depot for Dart, by the train station.

Looking at GSV, as recently as June 2018, the bus depot site (Walnut [US Bus. 13 NB] and Front Sts.) was home to Hertz, Avis, Budget, and Enterprise used car lots.  Where did they move to?

Also this will be an intercity bus depot, right?  Or will DART have a major presence as well?

ixnay
You know thats a good question, I have no idea where those businesses moved.

It will be the official Dart bus station & maybe even the bolt bus & Chinese bus stop as well.

I wish they would have built a connector bridge to the train station, to add connectivity.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on February 09, 2020, 04:57:53 PM
Image 2 is the new bus depot for Dart, by the train station.

Looking at GSV, as recently as June 2018, the bus depot site (Walnut [US Bus. 13 NB] and Front Sts.) was home to Hertz, Avis, Budget, and Enterprise used car lots.  Where did they move to?

Also this will be an intercity bus depot, right?  Or will DART have a major presence as well?

ixnay

They moved the rental cars to a surface lot that had been used for paid parking.  It has made parking at the station much more difficult (I had to park on the street to catch a train to a meeting and have a co-worker move my car into our office garage because all the garages were full).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on February 09, 2020, 11:13:03 PM
Image 2 is the new bus depot for Dart, by the train station.

Looking at GSV, as recently as June 2018, the bus depot site (Walnut [US Bus. 13 NB] and Front Sts.) was home to Hertz, Avis, Budget, and Enterprise used car lots.  Where did they move to?

Also this will be an intercity bus depot, right?  Or will DART have a major presence as well?

ixnay

They moved the rental cars to a surface lot that had been used for paid parking.  It has made parking at the station much more difficult (I had to park on the street to catch a train to a meeting and have a co-worker move my car into our office garage because all the garages were full).
They have like 3 parking garages in front of the train station dont they? They were all full!?? Thats crazy that definitely means it’s time for some skyscrapers & underground parking.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on February 10, 2020, 01:48:33 PM
Image 2 is the new bus depot for Dart, by the train station.

Looking at GSV, as recently as June 2018, the bus depot site (Walnut [US Bus. 13 NB] and Front Sts.) was home to Hertz, Avis, Budget, and Enterprise used car lots.  Where did they move to?

Also this will be an intercity bus depot, right?  Or will DART have a major presence as well?

ixnay

They moved the rental cars to a surface lot that had been used for paid parking.  It has made parking at the station much more difficult (I had to park on the street to catch a train to a meeting and have a co-worker move my car into our office garage because all the garages were full).
They have like 3 parking garages in front of the train station dont they? They were all full!?? Thats crazy that definitely means it’s time for some skyscrapers & underground parking.


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One is quite small, and another is only open to monthly parkers.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on February 19, 2020, 07:56:21 PM
Creativity behind DelDOT VMS's has become news fodder for a Salisbury TV station (and its sister serving the Delaware beaches).

https://www.wrde.com/story/41733513/meet-the-mastermind-behind-the-deldot-message-boards

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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on February 25, 2020, 08:08:12 PM
Creativity behind DelDOT VMS's has become news fodder for a Salisbury TV station (and its sister serving the Delaware beaches).

https://www.wrde.com/story/41733513/meet-the-mastermind-behind-the-deldot-message-boards

ixnay
I used to work with Scott in my old job!  He's a really good guy.  I suggested one and apparently it was put on a VMS somewhere, but I never saw it.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 06, 2020, 12:23:09 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/Delaware/comments/fdnfok/what_in_the_world_are_they_trying_to_accomplish/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf  (https://www.reddit.com/r/Delaware/comments/fdnfok/what_in_the_world_are_they_trying_to_accomplish/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)

Apparently 141 has been under construction since the 70’s.

If only these people knew it was their own neighbors that hold back road construction in Delaware


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on March 06, 2020, 09:14:48 PM
DelDOT announces plans for first Georgetown overpass, third lane

https://www.coastalpoint.com/news/business/deldot-announces-plans-for-first-georgetown-overpass-third-lane/article_f75b4684-5e47-11ea-b553-0745813c7fd0.html

This overpass would bring DE 18/404 over US 113 just east of DelTech.

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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 10, 2020, 12:09:04 AM
I hope this means we get more trains coming & going to Delaware  :hmmm:

https://delawarebusinessnow.com/2020/03/septa-announces-schedule-changes-to-regional-rail-line/ (https://delawarebusinessnow.com/2020/03/septa-announces-schedule-changes-to-regional-rail-line/)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: odditude on March 10, 2020, 01:08:35 AM
I hope this means we get more trains coming & going to Delaware  :hmmm:

https://delawarebusinessnow.com/2020/03/septa-announces-schedule-changes-to-regional-rail-line/ (https://delawarebusinessnow.com/2020/03/septa-announces-schedule-changes-to-regional-rail-line/)

no, it's clearly just timetable changes. the article isn't that long; it would've taken less time to just read it than to post that speculation.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 10, 2020, 01:11:25 AM
I hope this means we get more trains coming & going to Delaware  :hmmm:

https://delawarebusinessnow.com/2020/03/septa-announces-schedule-changes-to-regional-rail-line/ (https://delawarebusinessnow.com/2020/03/septa-announces-schedule-changes-to-regional-rail-line/)

no, it's clearly just timetable changes. the article isn't that long; it would've taken less time to just read it than to post that speculation.
Yea... I kinda noticed at the end its time changes due to construction “ditto”  this post


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 15, 2020, 01:47:06 PM
It looks like DelDOT is planning on adding a dynamic shoulder lane to I-95 SB between DE 141 and DE 58 in an upcoming project that'll rehab the pavement through the marsh, as well as widen the DE 58 exit to two lanes and replace the WB yield with a traffic signal. This managed shoulder lane will be the first of its kind in the state to my knowledge.

More Info (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201906109)

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 15, 2020, 01:51:43 PM
It looks like DelDOT is planning on adding a dynamic shoulder lane to I-95 SB between DE 141 and DE 58 in an upcoming project that'll rehab the pavement through the marsh, as well as widen the DE 58 exit to two lanes and replace the WB yield with a traffic signal. This managed shoulder lane will be the first of its kind in the state to my knowledge.

More Info (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201906109)

The one thing about hard shoulder running is that DelDOT should be prepared to provide significantly more and better freeway service patrol (FSP) units along that part of I-95, so that stalled vehicles and crashes can be quickly resolved or pushed to a pull-off area.  The DelDOT FSP units assigned to that area should all be 3/4 ton or 1 ton pickup trucks or wreckers with Diesel engines, heavy-duty transmissions and have heavy-duty push bumpers on the front (I have seen the DelDOT FSP trucks on the road but have not had the opportunity to look at one up-close like I have with the Maryland and Virginia trucks).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 15, 2020, 01:56:50 PM
It looks like DelDOT is planning on adding a dynamic shoulder lane to I-95 SB between DE 141 and DE 58 in an upcoming project that'll rehab the pavement through the marsh, as well as widen the DE 58 exit to two lanes and replace the WB yield with a traffic signal. This managed shoulder lane will be the first of its kind in the state to my knowledge.

More Info (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201906109)

The one thing about hard shoulder running is that DelDOT should be prepared to provide significantly more and better freeway service patrol (FSP) units along that part of I-95, so that stalled vehicles and crashes can be quickly resolved or pushed to a pull-off area.

Absolutely, the write-up they provided talked about a closed-circuit camera system they plan to set up to allow them to monitor it continually. The straight shot through the marsh should be relatively easy to monitor, sight obstruction wise.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 15, 2020, 02:01:01 PM
Absolutely, the write-up they provided talked about a closed-circuit camera system they plan to set up to allow them to monitor it continually. The straight shot through the marsh should be relatively easy to monitor, sight obstruction wise.

I edited my comments above as you posted this. 

Agree about the straight shot view there - ideally there should be cameras facing both ways on each pole, which allows the TMC operators to double check a suspected blockage from different angles. 

Wonder if DelDOT is considering a stall detection system too?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 15, 2020, 02:46:36 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200315/6f71edefd8298d74a25b5503e9c3c819.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200315/29929ab24a2dbb3deecff69288a2fb9f.jpg)

Curb put in on 141 SB.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 15, 2020, 03:07:38 PM
The one thing about hard shoulder running is that DelDOT should be prepared to provide significantly more and better freeway service patrol (FSP) units along that part of I-95, so that stalled vehicles and crashes can be quickly resolved or pushed to a pull-off area.  The DelDOT FSP units assigned to that area should all be 3/4 ton or 1 ton pickup trucks or wreckers with Diesel engines, heavy-duty transmissions and have heavy-duty push bumpers on the front (I have seen the DelDOT FSP trucks on the road but have not had the opportunity to look at one up-close like I have with the Maryland and Virginia trucks).

The state and local police vehicles need to be kept well stocked with shovels and body bags.
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 15, 2020, 03:18:35 PM
The one thing about hard shoulder running is that DelDOT should be prepared to provide significantly more and better freeway service patrol (FSP) units along that part of I-95, so that stalled vehicles and crashes can be quickly resolved or pushed to a pull-off area.  The DelDOT FSP units assigned to that area should all be 3/4 ton or 1 ton pickup trucks or wreckers with Diesel engines, heavy-duty transmissions and have heavy-duty push bumpers on the front (I have seen the DelDOT FSP trucks on the road but have not had the opportunity to look at one up-close like I have with the Maryland and Virginia trucks).

The state and local police vehicles need to be kept well stocked with shovels and body bags.
Wait wait, FSP does provide good service to that part of 95. They clear accidents pretty quickly as well as removing objects from the road.

Shit down the road by the rest area going south on 95. This one state trooper pulls over trucks everyday in the same area.

Also why more body bags & shovels Belt? The marsh is a little further back. 


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 15, 2020, 03:23:12 PM
It looks like DelDOT is planning on adding a dynamic shoulder lane to I-95 SB between DE 141 and DE 58 in an upcoming project that'll rehab the pavement through the marsh, as well as widen the DE 58 exit to two lanes and replace the WB yield with a traffic signal. This managed shoulder lane will be the first of its kind in the state to my knowledge.

More Info (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201906109)
Ahhh so they are gonna run the lane from the 141 C/D lane exit? All the way to the 38?

I remember saying a while ago which side would they add a lane, on the 141 side or the 295 side.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on March 16, 2020, 08:53:59 PM
DelDOT is going AET temporarily on I-95 and Route 1 due to COVID-19.

https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8027&type=News
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on March 17, 2020, 01:03:00 AM
DelDOT is going AET temporarily on I-95 and Route 1 due to COVID-19.

https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8027&type=News (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8027&type=News)
It would be really interesting if this random event causes the entire nation to end up AET in 2020 and they don't go back.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 17, 2020, 02:26:55 AM
DelDOT is going AET temporarily on I-95 and Route 1 due to COVID-19.

https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8027&type=News (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8027&type=News)
It would be really interesting if this random event causes the entire nation to end up AET in 2020 and they don't go back.
NOOO! They just put the signs up for the work on De-1

WE NEED THAT 3RD LANE.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 17, 2020, 07:03:50 AM
It would be really interesting if this random event causes the entire nation to end up AET in 2020 and they don't go back.
Every toll booth would need an optical license plate reader first.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jmacswimmer on March 17, 2020, 08:09:39 AM
DelDOT is going AET temporarily on I-95 and Route 1 due to COVID-19.

https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8027&type=News

Last I saw, the Illinois Tollway and PA Turnpike are also doing this (and I imagine most other toll authorities will quickly follow suit).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on March 17, 2020, 07:04:03 PM
It would be really interesting if this random event causes the entire nation to end up AET in 2020 and they don't go back.
Every toll booth would need an optical license plate reader first.
They don't have readers right now and that isn't stopping them.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Beltway on March 17, 2020, 07:36:01 PM
It would be really interesting if this random event causes the entire nation to end up AET in 2020 and they don't go back.
Every toll booth would need an optical license plate reader first.
They don't have readers right now and that isn't stopping them.
So that would mean that vehicles without ET wouldn't get tolled.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NJRoadfan on March 17, 2020, 07:45:29 PM
Every lane has license plate readers already, how else will toll violators or tag misreads be tracked and billed?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on March 21, 2020, 05:50:29 PM
I was driving on US-13 in North Dover this morning and came across a portable VMS saying "STOP THE SPREAD" / "STAY HOME"  This is combined with the governor saying he may issue a stay at home order today.

(this might be considered off topic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: VTGoose on March 22, 2020, 05:58:41 PM
I was driving on US-13 in North Dover this morning and came across a portable VMS saying "STOP THE SPREAD" / "STAY HOME"  This is combined with the governor saying he may issue a stay at home order today.

(this might be considered off topic)

All the signs in South Carolina on I-77, I-26, and I-95 were displaying basically the same "stay home" message.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 23, 2020, 02:47:05 PM
I was driving on US-13 in North Dover this morning and came across a portable VMS saying "STOP THE SPREAD" / "STAY HOME"  This is combined with the governor saying he may issue a stay at home order today.

(this might be considered off topic)

I was going to move these to the coronavirus thread except I do not have the power as a regional moderator to merge it in there.  -Mark
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: AcE_Wolf_287 on March 23, 2020, 03:11:09 PM
I was driving on US-13 in North Dover this morning and came across a portable VMS saying "STOP THE SPREAD" / "STAY HOME"  This is combined with the governor saying he may issue a stay at home order today.

(this might be considered off topic)

All the signs in South Carolina on I-77, I-26, and I-95 were displaying basically the same "stay home" message.

wow and i live about 0.2 miles form I-77 in northern columbia and i haven't seen one yet... gonna find out soon
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on March 24, 2020, 12:38:39 AM
I was driving on US-13 in North Dover this morning and came across a portable VMS saying "STOP THE SPREAD" / "STAY HOME"  This is combined with the governor saying he may issue a stay at home order today.

(this might be considered off topic)

I was going to move these to the coronavirus thread except I do not have the power as a regional moderator to merge it in there.  -Mark
I don't think it's necessary. It's a Delaware observation.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 24, 2020, 03:27:06 PM
I was driving on US-13 in North Dover this morning and came across a portable VMS saying "STOP THE SPREAD" / "STAY HOME"  This is combined with the governor saying he may issue a stay at home order today.

(this might be considered off topic)

I was going to move these to the coronavirus thread except I do not have the power as a regional moderator to merge it in there.  -Mark
I don't think it's necessary. It's a Delaware observation.

I agree with your point, but I don't want the discussion on COVID-19 to be feeding onto every thread in the forum.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mrsman on April 01, 2020, 01:38:26 PM
It would be really interesting if this random event causes the entire nation to end up AET in 2020 and they don't go back.
Every toll booth would need an optical license plate reader first.
They don't have readers right now and that isn't stopping them.
So that would mean that vehicles without ET wouldn't get tolled.


From the link on DelDot's website:

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At the state's three toll plazas, there will be no toll collectors working to collect cash payments. All traffic will be directed through the EZPass lanes and motorists without EZPass will receive a bill in the mail for the toll with no penalty or processing fee. The Route 896 southbound ramp to I-95 southbound will temporarily close due to the road configuration that does not permit access to the EZPass lanes.


In my opinion, this is what should happen - period.  Let's permanently end any punitive fee for lack of transponders.  Transponders recommended and get you the best rates.  Without a transponder, a small fee is attached.  (In my book, small means less than 20% of the toll or $2 whichever is greater).

Hopefully soon they will be able to address nationwide interoperability, but if I only drive to a state outside of the EZ-Pass network occasionally, it is nice that I can avoid the toll booth and pay a small fee in the meantime.  Also, they have to fix the problems with the exorbitant fee system that customers of rental cars pay.  You should not be allowed to charge a conveninence fee  for days wehn I'm not even taking a toll route!

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: vdeane on April 01, 2020, 02:11:18 PM
Even "less than 20% ... or $2 whichever is greater" can still be a massive increase for some of the small amounts on ticket systems.  Between exits 44 and 45 on the Thruway is only 20 cents each way, and a lot of traffic goes between those two exits because they connect Canandaigua Lake to Rochester via I-490.  Some of that traffic only makes the trip a few times a year, and doesn't use the Thruway for much else, making an E-ZPass account difficult to justify.  That would still be quite the increase.

In the good old days, you had the cash rate, and an E-ZPass discount.  No added fees at all.  Then we started getting AET and its associated fees (usually in addition to higher base tolls) and things like transponder discrimination.  Even if this were all fixed, I still wouldn't like bill by mail because of the many horror stories with people not receiving the first bill until such point that a ton of late fees have been added.  No thanks.  I'll stick to E-ZPass and places where I can by cash or credit card at a booth.  Doing otherwise is just too risky and involves lots of price gouging.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mrsman on April 07, 2020, 06:43:12 PM
Even "less than 20% ... or $2 whichever is greater" can still be a massive increase for some of the small amounts on ticket systems.  Between exits 44 and 45 on the Thruway is only 20 cents each way, and a lot of traffic goes between those two exits because they connect Canandaigua Lake to Rochester via I-490.  Some of that traffic only makes the trip a few times a year, and doesn't use the Thruway for much else, making an E-ZPass account difficult to justify.  That would still be quite the increase.

In the good old days, you had the cash rate, and an E-ZPass discount.  No added fees at all.  Then we started getting AET and its associated fees (usually in addition to higher base tolls) and things like transponder discrimination.  Even if this were all fixed, I still wouldn't like bill by mail because of the many horror stories with people not receiving the first bill until such point that a ton of late fees have been added.  No thanks.  I'll stick to E-ZPass and places where I can by cash or credit card at a booth.  Doing otherwise is just too risky and involves lots of price gouging.

My idea of "less than 20% ... or $2 whichever is greater" is essentially to replicate the E-Z pass discount froom the cash rate, but from the perspective of EZ-Pass being the base rate and the cash charge being the premium.  If "less than 20% ... or $2 whichever is greater" is still too high, then it can be further reduced.

But we should absolutely get rid of the fines that currently exist on many all-electronic roads that REQUIRE transponders and charge a fine in the $200 range for driving it without the transponder.  Every road should be AET, with an appropriate discount for transponders, and normal fees for everyone else.  I would also prohibit any monthly charge on transponders and require that the full costs of administration of the toll roads be paid for by regular tolls that are based on usage, not monthly charges simply for having the device.

Are the costs of running AET higher than the costs of employing toll takers?  I don't believe they are.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on April 07, 2020, 07:23:06 PM
My idea of "less than 20% ... or $2 whichever is greater" is essentially to replicate the E-Z pass discount froom the cash rate, but from the perspective of EZ-Pass being the base rate and the cash charge being the premium.  If "less than 20% ... or $2 whichever is greater" is still too high, then it can be further reduced.

But we should absolutely get rid of the fines that currently exist on many all-electronic roads that REQUIRE transponders and charge a fine in the $200 range for driving it without the transponder.  Every road should be AET, with an appropriate discount for transponders, and normal fees for everyone else.  I would also prohibit any monthly charge on transponders and require that the full costs of administration of the toll roads be paid for by regular tolls that are based on usage, not monthly charges simply for having the device.

Are the costs of running AET higher than the costs of employing toll takers?  I don't believe they are.

AET is much, much less expensive for toll road operators, especially when the cost of crashes approaching toll plazas, fuel burned and tailpipe emissions are considered - and the cost of handling, counting, transporting, securing and accounting for large sums of cash are accounted for.

I agree that excessive charges should not be required of drivers without transponders.  And that transponders should not be mandated.  Ideally those extra charges should be high enough to encourage drivers to get that transponder.

Note that the toll lanes in Northern Virginia (95Express, 395Express and 495Express as well as I-66 inside the Beltway in the peak directions) currently require a transponder.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: vdeane on April 07, 2020, 08:40:10 PM
Even "less than 20% ... or $2 whichever is greater" can still be a massive increase for some of the small amounts on ticket systems.  Between exits 44 and 45 on the Thruway is only 20 cents each way, and a lot of traffic goes between those two exits because they connect Canandaigua Lake to Rochester via I-490.  Some of that traffic only makes the trip a few times a year, and doesn't use the Thruway for much else, making an E-ZPass account difficult to justify.  That would still be quite the increase.

In the good old days, you had the cash rate, and an E-ZPass discount.  No added fees at all.  Then we started getting AET and its associated fees (usually in addition to higher base tolls) and things like transponder discrimination.  Even if this were all fixed, I still wouldn't like bill by mail because of the many horror stories with people not receiving the first bill until such point that a ton of late fees have been added.  No thanks.  I'll stick to E-ZPass and places where I can by cash or credit card at a booth.  Doing otherwise is just too risky and involves lots of price gouging.

My idea of "less than 20% ... or $2 whichever is greater" is essentially to replicate the E-Z pass discount froom the cash rate, but from the perspective of EZ-Pass being the base rate and the cash charge being the premium.  If "less than 20% ... or $2 whichever is greater" is still too high, then it can be further reduced.

But we should absolutely get rid of the fines that currently exist on many all-electronic roads that REQUIRE transponders and charge a fine in the $200 range for driving it without the transponder.  Every road should be AET, with an appropriate discount for transponders, and normal fees for everyone else.  I would also prohibit any monthly charge on transponders and require that the full costs of administration of the toll roads be paid for by regular tolls that are based on usage, not monthly charges simply for having the device.

Are the costs of running AET higher than the costs of employing toll takers?  I don't believe they are.
I think you'll find that just about any flat amount is a lot on some of the ticket system tolls.  My parents, for example, only drive the Thruway four times a year (round trip) between Canandaigua and Victor, which is 20 cents each way.  Your "less than 20% ... or $2 whichever is greater" would still allow a surcharge per trip that's greater than the amount my parents pay annually in tolls!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on April 27, 2020, 01:57:51 PM
Wooohooo Looks like we are getting a Maryland/Delaware commuter-train connection

[url]https://delawarebusinessnow.com/2020/04/delaware-legislators-offer-bill-aimed-at-getting-maryland-commuter-trains-to-newark//url]

Will this be the beginning of Delaware creating a Dart based train system and expand service downstate? as well as to Philly-NY. Newark-DC
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mrsman on April 29, 2020, 07:53:47 AM
My idea of "less than 20% ... or $2 whichever is greater" is essentially to replicate the E-Z pass discount froom the cash rate, but from the perspective of EZ-Pass being the base rate and the cash charge being the premium.  If "less than 20% ... or $2 whichever is greater" is still too high, then it can be further reduced.

But we should absolutely get rid of the fines that currently exist on many all-electronic roads that REQUIRE transponders and charge a fine in the $200 range for driving it without the transponder.  Every road should be AET, with an appropriate discount for transponders, and normal fees for everyone else.  I would also prohibit any monthly charge on transponders and require that the full costs of administration of the toll roads be paid for by regular tolls that are based on usage, not monthly charges simply for having the device.

Are the costs of running AET higher than the costs of employing toll takers?  I don't believe they are.

AET is much, much less expensive for toll road operators, especially when the cost of crashes approaching toll plazas, fuel burned and tailpipe emissions are considered - and the cost of handling, counting, transporting, securing and accounting for large sums of cash are accounted for.

I agree that excessive charges should not be required of drivers without transponders.  And that transponders should not be mandated.  Ideally those extra charges should be high enough to encourage drivers to get that transponder.

Note that the toll lanes in Northern Virginia (95Express, 395Express and 495Express as well as I-66 inside the Beltway in the peak directions) currently require a transponder.

I agree.  I have an EZ-Pass to save time and to take advantage of certain local discounts.  (For the most part, I don't use the local toll facilities in the DC area, but mostly go through toll barriers on the way to Philly and NYC.)  But, if I take a trip to Florida or some other state outside of the EZ-Pass region, it would be nice to be able to just simply drive and pay a nominal extra charge for the tolls, instead of the hassle involved in getting a new transponder for an area that I don't really frequent.  And some fair system to account for rental cars.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on April 29, 2020, 06:40:43 PM
Wooohooo Looks like we are getting a Maryland/Delaware commuter-train connection

https://delawarebusinessnow.com/2020/04/delaware-legislators-offer-bill-aimed-at-getting-maryland-commuter-trains-to-Newark (https://delawarebusinessnow.com/2020/04/delaware-legislators-offer-bill-aimed-at-getting-maryland-commuter-trains-to-Newark)
Above-link fixed.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on April 29, 2020, 06:49:19 PM
My idea of "less than 20% ... or $2 whichever is greater" is essentially to replicate the E-Z pass discount froom the cash rate, but from the perspective of EZ-Pass being the base rate and the cash charge being the premium.  If "less than 20% ... or $2 whichever is greater" is still too high, then it can be further reduced.

But we should absolutely get rid of the fines that currently exist on many all-electronic roads that REQUIRE transponders and charge a fine in the $200 range for driving it without the transponder.  Every road should be AET, with an appropriate discount for transponders, and normal fees for everyone else.  I would also prohibit any monthly charge on transponders and require that the full costs of administration of the toll roads be paid for by regular tolls that are based on usage, not monthly charges simply for having the device.

Are the costs of running AET higher than the costs of employing toll takers?  I don't believe they are.

AET is much, much less expensive for toll road operators, especially when the cost of crashes approaching toll plazas, fuel burned and tailpipe emissions are considered - and the cost of handling, counting, transporting, securing and accounting for large sums of cash are accounted for.

I agree that excessive charges should not be required of drivers without transponders.  And that transponders should not be mandated.  Ideally those extra charges should be high enough to encourage drivers to get that transponder.

Note that the toll lanes in Northern Virginia (95Express, 395Express and 495Express as well as I-66 inside the Beltway in the peak directions) currently require a transponder.

I agree.  I have an EZ-Pass to save time and to take advantage of certain local discounts.  (For the most part, I don't use the local toll facilities in the DC area, but mostly go through toll barriers on the way to Philly and NYC.)  But, if I take a trip to Florida or some other state outside of the EZ-Pass region, it would be nice to be able to just simply drive and pay a nominal extra charge for the tolls, instead of the hassle involved in getting a new transponder for an area that I don't really frequent.  And some fair system to account for rental cars.

Usually - and I know there's exceptions - if the highway is AET, then the surcharge is just a few bucks.  If the highway has EZ Pass and Cash lanes, or Express lanes and Free lanes, they charge a significant surcharge because the driver was a dumbass and didn't read the signs, or (and they would never admit it) thought they could get away with going thru without paying a toll, and claim anything other than stupidity for why they shouldn't pay the toll.

The car rental issue is another problem, because there's a business cost to try to figure out who had the car at the time of rental, and the need to charge that person's credit card.   And most people, other than accountants that work at the company, don't understand or care about the cost of doing business.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on April 30, 2020, 08:08:21 PM
I see the construction for the 3rd lane on De-1 is underway, however what are they doing on De-1 by tybouts corner? Are they adding the 4th lane up to the bridge as well?


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on April 30, 2020, 08:18:54 PM
I see the construction for the 3rd lane on De-1 is underway, however what are they doing on De-1 by tybouts corner? Are they adding the 4th lane up to the bridge as well?


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Unfortunately, DelDOT's website isn't as good as it used to be with posting comprehensive project updates, but they hint at a widening between DE-273 and the Roth Bridge (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T200511001#project-details1|travel-tab3).  Whether that means they are actually widening on the Roth Bridge itself, I'm not sure.

That said, since the quarantine started, I haven't been in New Castle County.  I've just stuck to Kent and Sussex.
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on April 30, 2020, 08:47:16 PM
I see the construction for the 3rd lane on De-1 is underway, however what are they doing on De-1 by tybouts corner? Are they adding the 4th lane up to the bridge as well?


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Unfortunately, DelDOT's website isn't as good as it used to be with posting comprehensive project updates, but they hint at a widening between DE-273 and the Roth Bridge (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T200511001#project-details1|travel-tab3).  Whether that means they are actually widening on the Roth Bridge itself, I'm not sure.

That said, since the quarantine started, I haven't been in New Castle County.  I've just stuck to Kent and Sussex.
Alot of construction projects have taken place. They added a 3rd lane on 273 by Red Mill Rd.

They also improved this intersection on chapman road & built a new building, no idea what it is tho

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200501/fbef728e4842e136e73536b054dd1afe.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200501/df2fe2a4a7da441ba87faf8205d1186f.jpg)


141/Commons blvd is under full construction. It looks like a totally different place they are going full steam.


Salem church bridge is now closed, so I assume this is the widening & reconstruction project.

Yea its also hard to tell because deldot isnt updating the new site either lmao


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on May 03, 2020, 12:20:42 PM
I see the construction for the 3rd lane on De-1 is underway, however what are they doing on De-1 by tybouts corner? Are they adding the 4th lane up to the bridge as well?


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Unfortunately, DelDOT's website isn't as good as it used to be with posting comprehensive project updates, but they hint at a widening between DE-273 and the Roth Bridge (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T200511001#project-details1|travel-tab3).  Whether that means they are actually widening on the Roth Bridge itself, I'm not sure.

Their stated intention for the Roth Bridge was to simply restripe it since they left themselves the extra shoulder space when they built it originally. Unfortunately they've removed most of the information from the last attempt they made at getting this widening project off the ground, so we'll have to wait until they get a public workshop together for this. Hopefully the newer iteration of work includes some better interchange redesigns, the SR 273 one touched off a lot of controversy with Christiana with the proposed closure of SR 7, and the US 13 one seemed like it was missing movements and still not giving enough priority to SR 1 SB in terms of # of lanes.

Salem church bridge is now closed, so I assume this is the widening & reconstruction project.

Just some deck repairs ahead of the Chapman Road bridge rebuild, nothing crazy.
https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8086&type=Traffic (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8086&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on May 03, 2020, 12:25:14 PM
I see the construction for the 3rd lane on De-1 is underway, however what are they doing on De-1 by tybouts corner? Are they adding the 4th lane up to the bridge as well?


iPhone
Unfortunately, DelDOT's website isn't as good as it used to be with posting comprehensive project updates, but they hint at a widening between DE-273 and the Roth Bridge (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T200511001#project-details1|travel-tab3).  Whether that means they are actually widening on the Roth Bridge itself, I'm not sure.

Their stated intention for the Roth Bridge was to simply restripe it since they left themselves the extra shoulder space when they built it originally. Unfortunately they've removed most of the information from the last attempt they made at getting this widening project off the ground, so we'll have to wait until they get a public workshop together for this. Hopefully the newer iteration of work includes some better interchange redesigns, the SR 273 one touched off a lot of controversy with Christiana with the proposed closure of SR 7, and the US 13 one seemed like it was missing movements and still not giving enough priority to SR 1 SB in terms of # of lanes.

Salem church bridge is now closed, so I assume this is the widening & reconstruction project.

Just some deck repairs ahead of the Chapman Road bridge rebuild, nothing crazy.
https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8086&type=Traffic (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8086&type=Traffic)
Oh ok they are rebuilding Chapman bridge not the Salem bridge, got it.

I believe the plans for 273 interchange were picked. They chose a roundabout/exit lane for the locals in the area to exit from route 7 to 273.

They seem to be adding a 3rd lane on the Tybouts curve NB & SB that will be interesting to see.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on May 03, 2020, 01:15:42 PM
Hopefully the newer iteration of work includes some better interchange redesigns, the SR 273 one touched off a lot of controversy with Christiana with the proposed closure of SR 7, and the US 13 one seemed like it was missing movements and still not giving enough priority to SR 1 SB in terms of # of lanes.
Funny thing is, on that DE-1/US-13 interchange one (Exit 156 trumpet interchange), I mentioned it during a workshop in Newark a few years back.  As it turns out, in light traffic, DE-1 SB through traffic in that interchange has enough time to redistribute across the 3 lanes, despite the far right lane (originally the right lane of 2 lanes coming from the north into that ramp) ending.  What's annoying, though, is that people tend to move a little too soon - before merging in with US-13 traffic - and it disrupts traffic flow.  Last time I was driving through there, an 18-wheeler cut me off a little too soon and caused me to drop from 75 to 60.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on May 03, 2020, 01:55:21 PM
I believe the plans for 273 interchange were picked. They chose a roundabout/exit lane for the locals in the area to exit from route 7 to 273.

I don't believe that roundabout was their final choice last time this project came up, I think the idea of throwing a roundabout on a high-speed ramp with a tendency to back up all the way to the mainline was pretty resoundingly balked at. Regardless I'm fairly certain they're coming back with fresh / refined alternatives since the last time this project was seriously evaluated was the better part of a decade ago.

They seem to be adding a 3rd lane on the Tybouts curve NB & SB that will be interesting to see.

You mean between SR 273 and US 40? All they're working on right now is adding an auxiliary lane for SB SR 1 to mirror the northbound one while they figure out what they want to do with widening the entire corridor.

Funny thing is, on that DE-1/US-13 interchange one (Exit 156 trumpet interchange), I mentioned it during a workshop in Newark a few years back.  As it turns out, in light traffic, DE-1 SB through traffic in that interchange has enough time to redistribute across the 3 lanes, despite the far right lane (originally the right lane of 2 lanes coming from the north into that ramp) ending.  What's annoying, though, is that people tend to move a little too soon - before merging in with US-13 traffic - and it disrupts traffic flow.  Last time I was driving through there, an 18-wheeler cut me off a little too soon and caused me to drop from 75 to 60.

Even if it's fine during light traffic, the fact that US 13 gets favored through that merge despite carrying less than half the traffic SR 1 carries (if DelDOT's traffic counts page is to be believed) is baffling.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on May 03, 2020, 02:13:59 PM
I believe the plans for 273 interchange were picked. They chose a roundabout/exit lane for the locals in the area to exit from route 7 to 273.

I don't believe that roundabout was their final choice last time this project came up, I think the idea of throwing a roundabout on a high-speed ramp with a tendency to back up all the way to the mainline was pretty resoundingly balked at. Regardless I'm fairly certain they're coming back with fresh / refined alternatives since the last time this project was seriously evaluated was the better part of a decade ago.

They seem to be adding a 3rd lane on the Tybouts curve NB & SB that will be interesting to see.

You mean between SR 273 and US 40? All they're working on right now is adding an auxiliary lane for SB SR 1 to mirror the northbound one while they figure out what they want to do with widening the entire corridor.

Funny thing is, on that DE-1/US-13 interchange one (Exit 156 trumpet interchange), I mentioned it during a workshop in Newark a few years back.  As it turns out, in light traffic, DE-1 SB through traffic in that interchange has enough time to redistribute across the 3 lanes, despite the far right lane (originally the right lane of 2 lanes coming from the north into that ramp) ending.  What's annoying, though, is that people tend to move a little too soon - before merging in with US-13 traffic - and it disrupts traffic flow.  Last time I was driving through there, an 18-wheeler cut me off a little too soon and caused me to drop from 75 to 60.

Even if it's fine during light traffic, the fact that US 13 gets favored through that merge despite carrying less than half the traffic SR 1 carries (if DelDOT's traffic counts page is to be believed) is baffling.
Uhh bro you might want go to drive over on De-1 They have barriers set up from the 273 exit all the way to the De-1 Us-13 merge. They are adding a 3rd lane all the way.

They also have the median of Us-13 blocked off  & preparing the dirt. With a “road closed sign”  

Same for the NB side & Curve.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on May 04, 2020, 02:37:04 AM
I believe the plans for 273 interchange were picked. They chose a roundabout/exit lane for the locals in the area to exit from route 7 to 273.

I don't believe that roundabout was their final choice last time this project came up, I think the idea of throwing a roundabout on a high-speed ramp with a tendency to back up all the way to the mainline was pretty resoundingly balked at. Regardless I'm fairly certain they're coming back with fresh / refined alternatives since the last time this project was seriously evaluated was the better part of a decade ago.

They seem to be adding a 3rd lane on the Tybouts curve NB & SB that will be interesting to see.

You mean between SR 273 and US 40? All they're working on right now is adding an auxiliary lane for SB SR 1 to mirror the northbound one while they figure out what they want to do with widening the entire corridor.

Funny thing is, on that DE-1/US-13 interchange one (Exit 156 trumpet interchange), I mentioned it during a workshop in Newark a few years back.  As it turns out, in light traffic, DE-1 SB through traffic in that interchange has enough time to redistribute across the 3 lanes, despite the far right lane (originally the right lane of 2 lanes coming from the north into that ramp) ending.  What's annoying, though, is that people tend to move a little too soon - before merging in with US-13 traffic - and it disrupts traffic flow.  Last time I was driving through there, an 18-wheeler cut me off a little too soon and caused me to drop from 75 to 60.

Even if it's fine during light traffic, the fact that US 13 gets favored through that merge despite carrying less than half the traffic SR 1 carries (if DelDOT's traffic counts page is to be believed) is baffling.
Uhh bro you might want go to drive over on De-1 They have barriers set up from the 273 exit all the way to the De-1 Us-13 merge. They are adding a 3rd lane all the way.

They also have the median of Us-13 blocked off  & preparing the dirt. With a “road closed sign”  

Same for the NB side & Curve.


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No, they're not.
Project Plans (http://gssdocs.deldot.delaware.gov/bids/T201811001%20-%20Plans.pdf)
Project Listing (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201811001)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on May 07, 2020, 01:30:53 PM
Final pave on Main St
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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on May 08, 2020, 09:00:57 PM
Any word on when the construction on the Route 1 bridge over the Rehoboth canal will be done and it becomes 4 lanes again?

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on May 13, 2020, 11:24:03 AM
DelDOT decided to pave over SR 1 from the Appoquinimink River to Exit 119 in Smyrna because of ride quality issues..? I guess? I'm kinda surprised they chose this method, SR 896's Glasgow Bypass had even worse ride quality issue that were solved with a good grinding.

(https://image.prntscr.com/image/PKZawCWzQQWgxNJrfd1jJw.png)

I did some digging for the bid for this project and came across a Q&A doc with internal correspondence between the contractor questions from all the bidders. The contractor asked a couple questions to the effect of "is this going to make any difference at all?" with DelDOT replying with the government equivalent of "lol idk." Can't wait for the subbase to fall apart beneath the flimsy layer of asphalt and turn the road into a minefield.

http://contracts.delaware.gov/contracts_detail.asp?i=5784 (http://contracts.delaware.gov/contracts_detail.asp?i=5784)
(https://image.prntscr.com/image/3Vt4sxXkQlO2n65OjmsqZw.png)


Any word on when the construction on the Route 1 bridge over the Rehoboth canal will be done and it becomes 4 lanes again?

ixnay
Project listing says late spring 2020, so they've gotta be wrapping up soon.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jemacedo9 on May 13, 2020, 11:46:51 AM
They hav
DelDOT decided to pave over SR 1 from the Appoquinimink River to Exit 119 in Smyrna because of ride quality issues..? I guess? I'm kinda surprised they chose this method, SR 896's Glasgow Bypass had even worse ride quality issue that were solved with a good grinding.

The grinding they did earlier this year was AWFUL...it made the ride rougher than before...not from a bump, but it feels like you're riding on asphalt-milled pavement.  I guess I'm surprised they didn't try a finer grinding, but something needs to be done.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on May 13, 2020, 01:21:35 PM

I did some digging for the bid for this project and came across a Q&A doc with internal correspondence between the contractor and DelDOT. The contractor asked a couple questions to the effect of "is this going to make any difference at all?" with DelDOT replying with the government equivalent of "lol idk." Can't wait for the subbase to fall apart beneath the flimsy layer of asphalt and turn the road into a minefield.

http://contracts.delaware.gov/contracts_detail.asp?i=5784 (http://contracts.delaware.gov/contracts_detail.asp?i=5784)
(https://image.prntscr.com/image/3Vt4sxXkQlO2n65OjmsqZw.png)

Project listing says late spring 2020, so they've gotta be wrapping up soon.
Just to clarify, that's not "internal correspondence." Those are bidder questions that are revealed to all bidders and therefore part of what's available to the public.
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on May 13, 2020, 01:54:27 PM
Any word on when the construction on the Route 1 bridge over the Rehoboth canal will be done and it becomes 4 lanes again?

ixnay
When they make the rest of the road from Tybouts to the bridge 4 lanes.


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Edit: Ditto. Misread.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on May 13, 2020, 01:55:28 PM
I believe the plans for 273 interchange were picked. They chose a roundabout/exit lane for the locals in the area to exit from route 7 to 273.

I don't believe that roundabout was their final choice last time this project came up, I think the idea of throwing a roundabout on a high-speed ramp with a tendency to back up all the way to the mainline was pretty resoundingly balked at. Regardless I'm fairly certain they're coming back with fresh / refined alternatives since the last time this project was seriously evaluated was the better part of a decade ago.

They seem to be adding a 3rd lane on the Tybouts curve NB & SB that will be interesting to see.

You mean between SR 273 and US 40? All they're working on right now is adding an auxiliary lane for SB SR 1 to mirror the northbound one while they figure out what they want to do with widening the entire corridor.

Funny thing is, on that DE-1/US-13 interchange one (Exit 156 trumpet interchange), I mentioned it during a workshop in Newark a few years back.  As it turns out, in light traffic, DE-1 SB through traffic in that interchange has enough time to redistribute across the 3 lanes, despite the far right lane (originally the right lane of 2 lanes coming from the north into that ramp) ending.  What's annoying, though, is that people tend to move a little too soon - before merging in with US-13 traffic - and it disrupts traffic flow.  Last time I was driving through there, an 18-wheeler cut me off a little too soon and caused me to drop from 75 to 60.

Even if it's fine during light traffic, the fact that US 13 gets favored through that merge despite carrying less than half the traffic SR 1 carries (if DelDOT's traffic counts page is to be believed) is baffling.
Uhh bro you might want go to drive over on De-1 They have barriers set up from the 273 exit all the way to the De-1 Us-13 merge. They are adding a 3rd lane all the way.

They also have the median of Us-13 blocked off  & preparing the dirt. With a “road closed sign”  

Same for the NB side & Curve.


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No, they're not.
Project Plans (http://gssdocs.deldot.delaware.gov/bids/T201811001%20-%20Plans.pdf)
Project Listing (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201811001)
Thanks for the documents. Yea they might just be doing shoulder improvements, because they went crazy on barriers.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on May 13, 2020, 01:56:24 PM
DelDOT decided to pave over SR 1 from the Appoquinimink River to Exit 119 in Smyrna because of ride quality issues..? I guess? I'm kinda surprised they chose this method, SR 896's Glasgow Bypass had even worse ride quality issue that were solved with a good grinding.

(https://image.prntscr.com/image/PKZawCWzQQWgxNJrfd1jJw.png)

I did some digging for the bid for this project and came across a Q&A doc with internal correspondence between the contractor and DelDOT. The contractor asked a couple questions to the effect of "is this going to make any difference at all?" with DelDOT replying with the government equivalent of "lol idk." Can't wait for the subbase to fall apart beneath the flimsy layer of asphalt and turn the road into a minefield.

http://contracts.delaware.gov/contracts_detail.asp?i=5784 (http://contracts.delaware.gov/contracts_detail.asp?i=5784)
(https://image.prntscr.com/image/3Vt4sxXkQlO2n65OjmsqZw.png)


Any word on when the construction on the Route 1 bridge over the Rehoboth canal will be done and it becomes 4 lanes again?

ixnay
Project listing says late spring 2020, so they've gotta be wrapping up soon.
I assume relaying concrete was not easy since they decided to pave it.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on May 13, 2020, 08:27:06 PM
Just to clarify, that's not "internal correspondence." Those are bidder questions that are revealed to all bidders and therefore part of what's available to the public.
Oops you're right, that would explain the almost duplicate questions!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on May 15, 2020, 09:09:01 PM
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Look at Wilmington’s new baby.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on May 17, 2020, 11:13:32 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200516/74551901cf220ad1da0f1cc7fef9b402.jpg)


Look at Wilmington’s new baby.


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Too bad you couldn't rotate it 90 degrees left.  My tablet and maybe others' won't let me rotate the tablet without the picture rotating with it.

Is that the renovated Amtrak parking garage on the south side of the stone trestle?
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on May 17, 2020, 11:18:33 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200516/74551901cf220ad1da0f1cc7fef9b402.jpg)


Look at Wilmington’s new baby.


iPhone

Too bad you couldn't rotate it 90 degrees left.  My tablet and maybe others' won't let me rotate the tablet without the picture rotating with it.

Is that the renovated Amtrak parking garage on the south side of the stone trestle?
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200518/54ae8185202c4774bec66666e2436019.jpg)

Here you go sorry about that!

Um behind it? A new parking lot then a ramp to go to the 2nd/3rd floor of the new parking garage above it.

Ill take some new pics. My phone ran out of storage. Time to move some pics.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: seicer on May 18, 2020, 09:43:39 PM
They hav
DelDOT decided to pave over SR 1 from the Appoquinimink River to Exit 119 in Smyrna because of ride quality issues..? I guess? I'm kinda surprised they chose this method, SR 896's Glasgow Bypass had even worse ride quality issue that were solved with a good grinding.

The grinding they did earlier this year was AWFUL...it made the ride rougher than before...not from a bump, but it feels like you're riding on asphalt-milled pavement.  I guess I'm surprised they didn't try a finer grinding, but something needs to be done.

Yikes: https://goo.gl/maps/M6nhcbiV2SEUvGiZ7
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on May 22, 2020, 08:13:20 PM
Capegazette.com says tonight that the DE bridge indeed has all four lanes open again.  (Sorry about the lack of a link,  I'm on my tablet and haven't mastered tablet copying and pasting)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sbeaver44 on May 28, 2020, 08:32:07 PM
If I look on DelDOT's toll rates website, there are 2 different rates for Exit 119A and 119B Southbound on DE 1.  Both for Cash and EZPass, 119B is 25 cents higher.  Is there an actual toll collection point on that ramp?  I know 114 has a toll collection point.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jmacswimmer on May 29, 2020, 09:53:02 AM
If I look on DelDOT's toll rates website, there are 2 different rates for Exit 119A and 119B Southbound on DE 1.  Both for Cash and EZPass, 119B is 25 cents higher.  Is there an actual toll collection point on that ramp?  I know 114 has a toll collection point.

My best guess is that's a mistake? Streetview clicking thru both those ramps doesn't show any tolling equipment (and exit 119B is signed as "last exit before toll" (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3357305,-75.6350118,3a,41.5y,140.23h,92.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sddpC-CorMZ-rXJtKW1Qazg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en) as well). 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on May 30, 2020, 09:06:33 PM
Any word on when the construction on the Route 1 bridge over the Rehoboth canal will be done and it becomes 4 lanes again?

ixnay
Later than you expected to get this, but I went down to the beach today and DE-1 was back to its full width.  It looked like there were some finishing touches being put in.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on May 31, 2020, 06:57:01 PM
Any word on when the construction on the Route 1 bridge over the Rehoboth canal will be done and it becomes 4 lanes again?

ixnay
Later than you expected to get this, but I went down to the beach today and DE-1 was back to its full width.  It looked like there were some finishing touches being put in.

Already saw that on DelDot's webcam at DE 1 and Rehoboth Av. (DE 1A in West Rehoboth near the DART park and ride).

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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on June 11, 2020, 08:35:37 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200612/6e2bb41d97a726d49feeb588e8b6374c.jpg)


What font is this? This isn’t the regular deldot font.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadrunner75 on June 11, 2020, 11:31:16 PM
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What font is this? This isn’t the regular deldot font.

An awful one - or is it the spacing.  Is that a current photo?  That looks like the entrance from 141.  Looking at the Streetview image, the different sign shown on that gantry in the October 2019 capture looks better and in perfectly good condition.  Was the "Exit Only" on that sign not applicable anymore - It looks like it still is, but that might be temporary for the construction.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6991075,-75.6034972,3a,76.5y,177.24h,85.95t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDccnwp4wN7pX-od4AJG0Ug!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DDccnwp4wN7pX-od4AJG0Ug%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D56.655712%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6991075,-75.6034972,3a,76.5y,177.24h,85.95t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDccnwp4wN7pX-od4AJG0Ug!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DDccnwp4wN7pX-od4AJG0Ug%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D56.655712%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)



Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on June 12, 2020, 12:02:33 AM
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What font is this? This isn’t the regular deldot font.

An awful one - or is it the spacing.  Is that a current photo?  That looks like the entrance from 141.  Looking at the Streetview image, the different sign shown on that gantry in the October 2019 capture looks better and in perfectly good condition.  Was the "Exit Only" on that sign not applicable anymore - It looks like it still is, but that might be temporary for the construction.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6991075,-75.6034972,3a,76.5y,177.24h,85.95t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDccnwp4wN7pX-od4AJG0Ug!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DDccnwp4wN7pX-od4AJG0Ug%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D56.655712%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6991075,-75.6034972,3a,76.5y,177.24h,85.95t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDccnwp4wN7pX-od4AJG0Ug!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DDccnwp4wN7pX-od4AJG0Ug%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D56.655712%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
Yup it is 141 295 Exit.

Alot of construction is currently going on in that area so im not sure why they changed a already new sign again. 

But that font is really ugly, Just as bad as clearview.


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Title: Delaware
Post by: mvak36 on June 12, 2020, 03:19:03 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200612/6e2bb41d97a726d49feeb588e8b6374c.jpg)


What font is this? This isn’t the regular deldot font.

An awful one - or is it the spacing.  Is that a current photo?  That looks like the entrance from 141.  Looking at the Streetview image, the different sign shown on that gantry in the October 2019 capture looks better and in perfectly good condition.  Was the "Exit Only" on that sign not applicable anymore - It looks like it still is, but that might be temporary for the construction.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6991075,-75.6034972,3a,76.5y,177.24h,85.95t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDccnwp4wN7pX-od4AJG0Ug!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DDccnwp4wN7pX-od4AJG0Ug%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D56.655712%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6991075,-75.6034972,3a,76.5y,177.24h,85.95t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDccnwp4wN7pX-od4AJG0Ug!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DDccnwp4wN7pX-od4AJG0Ug%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D56.655712%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
Yup it is 141 295 Exit.

Alot of construction is currently going on in that area so im not sure why they changed a already new sign again. 

But that font is really ugly, Just as bad as clearview.


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It’s not great but it’s better than Clearview (I’m biased there). I saw a similar font near the Birmingham area last year. I don’t know why they decided to use this font (in Alabama or Delaware).


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: tolbs17 on June 12, 2020, 07:59:26 PM
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What font is this? This isn’t the regular deldot font.


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That looks so childish looking. I HATE it.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 12, 2020, 08:13:07 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200612/6e2bb41d97a726d49feeb588e8b6374c.jpg)


What font is this? This isn’t the regular deldot font.

An awful one - or is it the spacing.  Is that a current photo?  That looks like the entrance from 141.  Looking at the Streetview image, the different sign shown on that gantry in the October 2019 capture looks better and in perfectly good condition.  Was the "Exit Only" on that sign not applicable anymore - It looks like it still is, but that might be temporary for the construction.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6991075,-75.6034972,3a,76.5y,177.24h,85.95t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDccnwp4wN7pX-od4AJG0Ug!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DDccnwp4wN7pX-od4AJG0Ug%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D56.655712%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6991075,-75.6034972,3a,76.5y,177.24h,85.95t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDccnwp4wN7pX-od4AJG0Ug!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DDccnwp4wN7pX-od4AJG0Ug%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D56.655712%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
Yup it is 141 295 Exit.

Alot of construction is currently going on in that area so im not sure why they changed a already new sign again. 

But that font is really ugly, Just as bad as clearview.


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It’s not great but it’s better than Clearview (I’m biased there). I saw a similar font near the Birmingham area last year. I don’t know why they decided to use this font (in Alabama or Delaware).


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It's horrible. You can barely read the destinations in a still photo. Imagine driving at the speed limit of 50 mph approaching this exit trying to figure out what the sign says.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: odditude on June 13, 2020, 02:26:37 AM
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What font is this? This isn’t the regular deldot font.

it is, actually - just done completely wrong.

the definitions for the typefaces specify that lowercase letters are 75% the height of uppercase characters. this means that a lowercase "x" is 75% the height of an uppercase "X" - and also means that a lowercase "b" is the SAME height as an uppercase "B." in computer terms, they're the same font size.

unfortunately, a common error made by sign designers is to misinterpret that to mean "lowercase letters should be 75% of the type size used for uppercase letters" - that is, in computer terms, using a smaller font size for lowercase letters.

It Ends Up Looking Like This.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on June 13, 2020, 01:02:17 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200612/6e2bb41d97a726d49feeb588e8b6374c.jpg)


What font is this? This isn’t the regular deldot font.

it is, actually - just done completely wrong.

the definitions for the typefaces specify that lowercase letters are 75% the height of uppercase characters. this means that a lowercase "x" is 75% the height of an uppercase "X" - and also means that a lowercase "b" is the SAME height as an uppercase "B." in computer terms, they're the same font size.

unfortunately, a common error made by sign designers is to misinterpret that to mean "lowercase letters should be 75% of the type size used for uppercase letters" - that is, in computer terms, using a smaller font size for lowercase letters.

It Ends Up Looking Like This.
which is why I always comment on plans to only specify the upper case text height.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on June 13, 2020, 01:23:29 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200612/6e2bb41d97a726d49feeb588e8b6374c.jpg)


What font is this? This isn’t the regular deldot font.

it is, actually - just done completely wrong.

the definitions for the typefaces specify that lowercase letters are 75% the height of uppercase characters. this means that a lowercase "x" is 75% the height of an uppercase "X" - and also means that a lowercase "b" is the SAME height as an uppercase "B." in computer terms, they're the same font size.

unfortunately, a common error made by sign designers is to misinterpret that to mean "lowercase letters should be 75% of the type size used for uppercase letters" - that is, in computer terms, using a smaller font size for lowercase letters.

It Ends Up Looking Like This.
which is why I always comment on plans to only specify the upper case text height.
Alps you work in deldot? Will you get this sign fixed.

Tell em Aaroads complained LMAO.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on June 14, 2020, 12:38:42 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200612/6e2bb41d97a726d49feeb588e8b6374c.jpg)


What font is this? This isn’t the regular deldot font.

it is, actually - just done completely wrong.

the definitions for the typefaces specify that lowercase letters are 75% the height of uppercase characters. this means that a lowercase "x" is 75% the height of an uppercase "X" - and also means that a lowercase "b" is the SAME height as an uppercase "B." in computer terms, they're the same font size.

unfortunately, a common error made by sign designers is to misinterpret that to mean "lowercase letters should be 75% of the type size used for uppercase letters" - that is, in computer terms, using a smaller font size for lowercase letters.

It Ends Up Looking Like This.

Yup, terrible design even with Highway Gothic Font. Plus it's yet another lazy engineering, replace in kind replacement with the continued use of simply "New Jersey" as a destination and no attempt to further spell out the superfluous Del Mem Br.

2004, and this was a poorly designed overlay copying the 1980s sign added in 2002: https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/de-141-archive-south/de-141_sb_exit_002_21.jpg
2012 better carbon copy at least:  https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/de-141-archive-south/de-141_sb_exit_002_22.jpg
2017 even the temporary sign was a replace in kind attempt: https://www.aaroads.com/de/141/de-141-s-exit-002-02.jpg
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on June 16, 2020, 03:06:19 PM
Get ready for some more poorly designed replace in kind sign installs on SR 141 at I-95. The one Tonytone posted above was manufactured exactly as designed as well.  :banghead: Additional signs will be added be added at the split for Airport Road:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-1.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-1.jpg)

Most guide signs on SR 141 between I-95 and SR 4 will be replaced with the same improper font sizing, and no more advance sign for SR 62 (https://www.aaroads.com/de/141/de-141-n-exit-005-01.jpg):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-2.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-2.jpg)

More replace in kind nonsense on the interchange sequence sign because most people in Delaware use route numbers and not road names.  :eyebrow: At least the MUST EXIT nomenclature finally goes away:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-3.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-3.jpg)

And those superfluous stand alone shields (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/de-141-archive-north/de-141_nb_exit_003_29.jpg) for U.S. 202 (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/de-141-archive-north/de-141_nb_exit_003_32.jpg) posted before construction began make an inane return:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-4.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-4.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-5.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-5.jpg)

More Font Fun:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-6.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-6.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-7.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-7.jpg)

And an overhaul of the signs along Interstate 95 southbound for SR 141 U.S. 202 south

APL's and one less sign bridge. US 202 eliminated completely
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/i-095-at-sr-141-sign-plans-1.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/i-095-at-sr-141-sign-plans-1.jpg)

Another sign bridge removed. The welcome center sign is tweaked, copied and installed at ground level to the left and right. Is that useful?  :hmmm: Also the Delaware Turnpike sign will be replicated and posted at ground level further southbound.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/i-095-at-sr-141-sign-plans-2.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/i-095-at-sr-141-sign-plans-2.jpg)

Another interchange sequence sign for I-95 goes away. TO U.S. 13 is here to stay for SR 141 south.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/i-095-at-sr-141-sign-plans-3.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/i-095-at-sr-141-sign-plans-3.jpg)

I recall when this sign went up, and I thought, U.S. 202 is finally getting respect. So much for that:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/i-095-at-sr-141-sign-plans-4.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/i-095-at-sr-141-sign-plans-4.jpg)

Spent way to much time composing this post, but my home state of Delaware does that to me sometimes (takes up too much of my attention).  :crazy:

The sign plan screen shots were made from a 955 page document (http://gssdocs.deldot.delaware.gov/bids/T201109001%20-%20Plans.pdf) for the project.
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on June 16, 2020, 03:12:58 PM
Get ready for some more poorly designed replace in kind sign installs on SR 141 at I-95. The one Tonytone posted above was manufactured exactly as designed as well.  :banghead: Additional signs will be added be added at the split for Airport Road:

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-1.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-1.jpg)

Most guide signs on SR 141 between I-95 and SR 4 will be replaced with the same improper font sizing, and no more advance sign for SR 62 (https://www.aaroads.com/de/141/de-141-n-exit-005-01.jpg):
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-2.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-2.jpg)

More replace in kind nonsense on the interchange sequence sign because most people in Delaware use route numbers and not road names.  :eyebrow: At least the MUST EXIT nomenclature finally goes away:
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-3.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-3.jpg)

And those superfluous stand alone shields (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/de-141-archive-north/de-141_nb_exit_003_29.jpg) for U.S. 202 (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/de-141-archive-north/de-141_nb_exit_003_32.jpg) posted before construction began make an inane return:
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-4.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-4.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-5.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-5.jpg)

More Font Fun:
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-6.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-6.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-7.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/sr-141-at-i-095-sign-plans-7.jpg)

And an overhaul of the signs along Interstate 95 southbound for SR 141 U.S. 202 south

APL's and one less sign bridge. US 202 eliminated completely
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/i-095-at-sr-141-sign-plans-1.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/i-095-at-sr-141-sign-plans-1.jpg)

Another sign bridge removed. The welcome center sign is tweaked, copied and installed at ground level to the left and right. Is that useful?  :hmmm: Also the Delaware Turnpike sign will be replicated and posted at ground level further southbound.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/i-095-at-sr-141-sign-plans-2.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/i-095-at-sr-141-sign-plans-2.jpg)

Another interchange sequence sign for I-95 goes away. TO U.S. 13 is here to stay for SR 141 south.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/i-095-at-sr-141-sign-plans-3.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/i-095-at-sr-141-sign-plans-3.jpg)

I recall when this sign went up, and I thought, U.S. 202 is finally getting respect. So much for that:
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/i-095-at-sr-141-sign-plans-4.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/i-095-at-sr-141-sign-plans-4.jpg)

Spent way to much time composing this post, but my home state of Delaware does that to me sometimes (takes up too much of my attention).  :crazy:

The sign plan screen shots were made from a 955 page document (http://gssdocs.deldot.delaware.gov/bids/T201109001%20-%20Plans.pdf) for the project.
One of your pics is broken Alex.

But great post thank you for putting it together.

Now my next question is will this font be the official new font for Delaware Road signs or is this font exclusively for 141.

Also are they relocating the Airport Rd exit onto the 295 Ramp ?


Edit: Woah they are getting rid of the “John F Kennedy Memorial Highway”  sign. Are they renaming the highway?!

Thats pretty big to remove that sign.

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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 16, 2020, 03:40:24 PM
What you see above is very typical, and misunderstood by the best of people.

When signs are made, often times it's not the sign maker at fault.  It's the fault of the person/people at the transportation department or the contractor who designed the signs.  These plans typically undergo many reviews before approved. 

The shop where the sign is made is to make the sign to specifications of what they're told.  Frankly, it's not their job to argue with their customers, who in this case are the licensed engineers on the job.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on June 16, 2020, 03:51:06 PM
What you see above is very typical, and misunderstood by the best of people.

When signs are made, often times it's not the sign maker at fault.  It's the fault of the person/people at the transportation department or the contractor who designed the signs.  These plans typically undergo many reviews before approved. 

The shop where the sign is made is to make the sign to specifications of what they're told.  Frankly, it's not their job to argue with their customers, who in this case are the licensed engineers on the job.

Definitely typical and Delaware is no exception as it routinely happens in Florida and North Carolina (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=100.msg2506611#msg2506611). There does however need to be more of an effort to QC some of these sign plans before they are sent to the sign manufacturer. And I can write that because there were guide signs posted in 2015 for a dog track that went out of business in 2007 and on a current project in the Tampa Bay area, sign plans include the replacement of a panel for Busch Gardens with Bush Gardens. I'm still waiting to see if that gets installed.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on June 16, 2020, 08:50:03 PM
What you see above is very typical, and misunderstood by the best of people.

When signs are made, often times it's not the sign maker at fault.  It's the fault of the person/people at the transportation department or the contractor who designed the signs.  These plans typically undergo many reviews before approved. 

The shop where the sign is made is to make the sign to specifications of what they're told.  Frankly, it's not their job to argue with their customers, who in this case are the licensed engineers on the job.
For a plan set as comprehensive as this, it's the designer. Sometimes the designer has to correct the agency on this, too. But you see what happens when the best of intentions goes astray.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on June 18, 2020, 09:50:05 AM
Panning around GSV while doing some site updates, I noticed that these span wire overheads on SR 2/72 for Main Street in Newark were removed last year:

(https://www.aaroads.com/de/002/de-002-w-at-de-273-1.jpg)

Now there are no signs in advance for SR 273.  (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.686539,-75.7362442,3a,75y,202.81h,92.7t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sxHUj_ImPK7J6G1PjDZ9qkQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DxHUj_ImPK7J6G1PjDZ9qkQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D80.40567%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)

A replacement of these shields at E Main Street on SR 72 south removed the end shield for SR 2:

(https://www.aaroads.com/de/002/de-002-w-at-de-273-3.jpg)

Surprisingly the new SR 72 shield uses Series D. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6849545,-75.7368864,3a,75y,181.04h,91.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_nch_jY3kDkqOqMwTERiew!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)  This contrasts with the nearly 100% consistent use of Series C for state route shields by DelDOT.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mvak36 on June 18, 2020, 10:15:24 AM
https://delawarebusinessnow.com/2020/06/143-million-i-95-896-interchange-project-gets-57-million-fed-grant-that-moves-up-construction-date-to-fall-2022/

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$143 million I-95-896 interchange project gets $57 million fed grant that moves up construction date to fall 2022

Delaware’s congressional delegation announced a nearly $57 million grant from the U.S. Department of Transportation to the Delaware Department of Transportation for the construction of a redesigned interchange at I-95 and State Route 896. The new interchange will improve safety and reduce congestion by adding two flyovers, realigning existing ramps, and addressing other deficiencies with the current roadway geometry.

At present, 60 percent of vehicles on I-95 traveling southbound exit at State Route 896, creating congestion and safety issues.

This project will create a dedicated exit ramp for southbound 896 for motorists off of I-95, as well as a dedicated on-ramp from 896 to northbound I-95. The total project cost is $143 million, and with this grant award, construction will now begin in the fall of 2022, two years earlier than expected.

The funding for this project comes from the U.S. DOT’s Nationally Significant Freight and Highway Projects Program, or INFRA Grants program.

“As the leading Democrat on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, one of my top priorities is to improve our nation’s transportation systems so that our drivers, bicyclists and pedestrians do not put their lives at risk simply by using our roadways. This major grant of federal funding will go a long way to improve safety and, ultimately, save lives along the I-95 corridor in Delaware. By reducing traffic and easing congestion, this project will greatly reduce fatalities and serious injuries while better facilitating commerce in our state. These safety improvements will spur economic growth and less congestion will enable greater access to the City of Newark, the University of Delaware and its blossoming STAR Campus,” Senator Tom Carper said.

“This funding and this project are really about the safety of Delaware commuters, including students who use this interchange almost every day. Any parent who uses this intersection or has kids who frequently drive toandfrom GlasgowHigh School, NewarkHigh School, or other schools farther down 896,knows that improving the safety and capacity of this interchange is long overdue,” said Sen. Chris Coons.“As a member of the Appropriations Committee, I fought hard to secure this funding, and I’m excited that these long-awaitedimprovementswill soon be underway to help ourgrowing Newark and Middletown communitiesstay safe on the road.”

“Improving the safety of the I-95 and 896 interchange has been a priority for our state for a long time now. This INFRA Grant from the Department of Transportation means that we can finally address the safety and capacity issues on 896,”  said Congresswoman Lisa Blunt Rochester. “I want to thank DelDOT for their work in securing the grant and spearheading the project, Senator Carper, who sits on the Environment and Public Works Committee, and Senator Coons, who sits on the Appropriations Committee, for their tireless efforts on behalf of all Delawareans, and the Federal Department of Transportation for recognizing the importance of this project for Delaware.”

Additional information can be found on the DelDOT project page (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201609002).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on June 18, 2020, 10:22:16 AM
https://delawarebusinessnow.com/2020/06/143-million-i-95-896-interchange-project-gets-57-million-fed-grant-that-moves-up-construction-date-to-fall-2022/

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$143 million I-95-896 interchange project gets $57 million fed grant that moves up construction date to fall 2022

Delaware’s congressional delegation announced a nearly $57 million grant from the U.S. Department of Transportation to the Delaware Department of Transportation for the construction of a redesigned interchange at I-95 and State Route 896. The new interchange will improve safety and reduce congestion by adding two flyovers, realigning existing ramps, and addressing other deficiencies with the current roadway geometry.

At present, 60 percent of vehicles on I-95 traveling southbound exit at State Route 896, creating congestion and safety issues.

This project will create a dedicated exit ramp for southbound 896 for motorists off of I-95, as well as a dedicated on-ramp from 896 to northbound I-95. The total project cost is $143 million, and with this grant award, construction will now begin in the fall of 2022, two years earlier than expected.

The funding for this project comes from the U.S. DOT’s Nationally Significant Freight and Highway Projects Program, or INFRA Grants program.

“As the leading Democrat on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, one of my top priorities is to improve our nation’s transportation systems so that our drivers, bicyclists and pedestrians do not put their lives at risk simply by using our roadways. This major grant of federal funding will go a long way to improve safety and, ultimately, save lives along the I-95 corridor in Delaware. By reducing traffic and easing congestion, this project will greatly reduce fatalities and serious injuries while better facilitating commerce in our state. These safety improvements will spur economic growth and less congestion will enable greater access to the City of Newark, the University of Delaware and its blossoming STAR Campus,” Senator Tom Carper said.

“This funding and this project are really about the safety of Delaware commuters, including students who use this interchange almost every day. Any parent who uses this intersection or has kids who frequently drive toandfrom GlasgowHigh School, NewarkHigh School, or other schools farther down 896,knows that improving the safety and capacity of this interchange is long overdue,” said Sen. Chris Coons.“As a member of the Appropriations Committee, I fought hard to secure this funding, and I’m excited that these long-awaitedimprovementswill soon be underway to help ourgrowing Newark and Middletown communitiesstay safe on the road.”

“Improving the safety of the I-95 and 896 interchange has been a priority for our state for a long time now. This INFRA Grant from the Department of Transportation means that we can finally address the safety and capacity issues on 896,”  said Congresswoman Lisa Blunt Rochester. “I want to thank DelDOT for their work in securing the grant and spearheading the project, Senator Carper, who sits on the Environment and Public Works Committee, and Senator Coons, who sits on the Appropriations Committee, for their tireless efforts on behalf of all Delawareans, and the Federal Department of Transportation for recognizing the importance of this project for Delaware.”

Additional information can be found on the DelDOT project page (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201609002).
Holy I didnt think it would get picked up so soon!

This us a new project & its getting built. Nice job Delaware.

I just hope 273/1 is next “cough cough”


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jmacswimmer on June 18, 2020, 10:38:23 AM
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At present, 60 percent of vehicles on I-95 traveling southbound exit at State Route 896, creating congestion and safety issues.

I never realized that much traffic percentage-wise was exiting here.  I guess between shunpikers and in-state traffic not continuing into Maryland, it adds up pretty fast  :-o
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on June 18, 2020, 10:53:51 AM
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At present, 60 percent of vehicles on I-95 traveling southbound exit at State Route 896, creating congestion and safety issues.

I never realized that much traffic percentage-wise was exiting here.  I guess between shunpikers and in-state traffic not continuing into Maryland, it adds up pretty fast  :-o
If that damn toll was past the elkton-newark road exit. We would see less traffic on. 896.

[mention]jeffandnicole [/mention]I told you half of Delaware uses 896  LMAO


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on June 18, 2020, 11:24:15 AM
Good to hear that an influx of funds for the I-95/SR 896 interchange moves up that needed reconstruction. Weaving traffic was a major pain there 25 years ago as well...

Sad to report that one of the last 2-digit width state shields from the 1970s bit the dust last year. The SR 2/273 assembly on Academy Street in Newark was replaced with new SR 273 markers (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6813287,-75.7495461,3a,75y,28.35h,88.5t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sHTbE_q6DNGK0mtvStvLO-Q!2e0!5s20190801T000000!7i13312!8i6656).

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/academy-st-n-at-delaware-av-3.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/academy-st-n-at-delaware-av-3.jpg)

2013 photo

That leaves just the one assembly in New Castle (still there as of October 2019 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6642622,-75.563221,3a,75y,312.94h,87.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smO4PMynnayPuyCvARlUDuw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadrunner75 on June 18, 2020, 12:20:01 PM
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At present, 60 percent of vehicles on I-95 traveling southbound exit at State Route 896, creating congestion and safety issues.

I never realized that much traffic percentage-wise was exiting here.  I guess between shunpikers and in-state traffic not continuing into Maryland, it adds up pretty fast  :-o
That doesn't sound accurate at all.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 18, 2020, 12:47:04 PM
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At present, 60 percent of vehicles on I-95 traveling southbound exit at State Route 896, creating congestion and safety issues.

I never realized that much traffic percentage-wise was exiting here.  I guess between shunpikers and in-state traffic not continuing into Maryland, it adds up pretty fast  :-o
That doesn't sound accurate at all.


Exactly my thought too.

If I were to somehow validate that number, I would say 60% of I-95's traffic exits AT RUSH HOUR.  And due to the significant congestion at that time in the right lane, that would probably be what's happening.

But at all other times?  60% of the traffic exiting to 2, 25 mph ramps with only 40% of the traffic staying on 4 lanes of I-95?  Not normal and not possible.

Honestly, I'm surprised DelDOT isn't considering adding tolls to these ramps.  Sure, there would be a cascading issue where some traffic will use interchanges 3 or 4 instead, but for those trying to skip the mainline toll, it's a greater inconvenience.  It also helps to fight the cost of sprawl, where in-state residents living off of 896/301 but working in Wilmington or points north are doing so due to cheaper land/housing prices, and thus requiring wider roads to accommodate them.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jmacswimmer on June 18, 2020, 12:55:45 PM
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At present, 60 percent of vehicles on I-95 traveling southbound exit at State Route 896, creating congestion and safety issues.

I never realized that much traffic percentage-wise was exiting here.  I guess between shunpikers and in-state traffic not continuing into Maryland, it adds up pretty fast  :-o
That doesn't sound accurate at all.


Exactly my thought too.

If I were to somehow validate that number, I would say 60% of I-95's traffic exits AT RUSH HOUR.  And due to the significant congestion at that time in the right lane, that would probably be what's happening.

But at all other times?  60% of the traffic exiting to 2, 25 mph ramps with only 40% of the traffic staying on 4 lanes of I-95?  Not normal and not possible.

Honestly, I'm surprised DelDOT isn't considering adding tolls to these ramps.  Sure, there would be a cascading issue where some traffic will use interchanges 3 or 4 instead, but for those trying to skip the mainline toll, it's a greater inconvenience.  It also helps to fight the cost of sprawl, where in-state residents living off of 896/301 but working in Wilmington or points north are doing so due to cheaper land/housing prices, and thus requiring wider roads to accommodate them.

Now that I stop and think about it, I have to agree that doesn't seem right either.

Here are traffic counts from both DE (https://deldot.gov/Publications/manuals/traffic_counts/pdfs/2019/2019Interstate_USRoutes_DelawareRoutes.pdf?cache=1592498688558?cache=1592498801404) & MD (https://www.roads.maryland.gov/Traffic_Volume_Maps/Cecil.pdf) for that stretch of 95 - with those numbers, it's closer to 60% of vehicles staying on 95 south at exit 1, which sounds a little more realistic.  Maybe the news article got the percentages backwards.

(Also FWIW, MD shows a count east of exit 109 that is roughly ~20,000 lower than what DE is showing west of exit 1.  They must have picked some very different days for their counts :eyebrow:)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on June 18, 2020, 01:24:55 PM
Related to the earlier Newark signage discussion, these SR 2 shields at Apple Road and SR 896 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6773704,-75.7617594,3a,39.5y,335h,89.54t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sEupTNQ1WmFEo-5p4Sp7OZw!2e0!5s20190801T000000!7i16384!8i8192) went up sometime after SR 2 was truncated through Newark. It's interesting to see where Newark's remembering or forgetting about the changes that've been made through town.

(https://i.imgur.com/sIy3jHF.png)

I also need get down to the Ogletown Bypass at some point. The work down there at the intersection between SR 273 and Bala Road (the Red Mill Road connector) resulted in an additional eastbound lane being constructed through the intersection to tie into the SR 4 exit, but the updates that were made to the overhead signage for that exit are atrocious and I need to grab some pictures of them. For reference, this sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6814605,-75.6993462,3a,75y,174.92h,81.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4ieDoNlzRnTVUtiPc2oI5g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) was the one that was updated.

(https://i.imgur.com/Wzcok7T.png)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on June 18, 2020, 06:22:11 PM
Related to the earlier Newark signage discussion, these SR 2 shields at Apple Road and SR 896 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6773704,-75.7617594,3a,39.5y,335h,89.54t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sEupTNQ1WmFEo-5p4Sp7OZw!2e0!5s20190801T000000!7i16384!8i8192) went up sometime after SR 2 was truncated through Newark. It's interesting to see where Newark's remembering or forgetting about the changes that've been made through town.

(https://i.imgur.com/sIy3jHF.png)


Last visit to Delaware, I saw those SR 2 shields on Apple Road and did a double take.  :wow: Swung around in the parking lot and shot this:

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/apple-rd-n-at-de-896.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/apple-rd-n-at-de-896.jpg)

Photo from 01-02-19

While going through the remaining Newark (https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/newark/) photos shot two Christmas's ago that I never got around to posting on the site, I checked GSV on all of the other remaining SR 2 installs across the city (Academy Street, Chapel Street, College Avenue). All assemblies were replaced last year and now only show SR 273 with two exceptions. The shield assembly on Chapel Street south at E Main Street (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/chapel-st-s-at-main-st-3.jpg) and the one on Academy Street north at Main Street (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/academy-st-n-at-main-st-1.jpg) were both removed all together.

I also need get down to the Ogletown Bypass at some point. The work down there at the intersection between SR 273 and Bala Road (the Red Mill Road connector) resulted in an additional eastbound lane being constructed through the intersection to tie into the SR 4 exit, but the updates that were made to the overhead signage for that exit are atrocious and I need to grab some pictures of them. For reference, this sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6814605,-75.6993462,3a,75y,174.92h,81.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4ieDoNlzRnTVUtiPc2oI5g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) was the one that was updated.

*awaits with eager anticipation*  :coffee:
That will be the third install of that sign since the bypass opened in 1997. The second (the one pictured above) was a carbon copy of the original:

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/de-273-archive/de-273_eb_at_de-004_21.jpg)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on June 19, 2020, 08:40:58 AM
https://delawarebusinessnow.com/2020/06/143-million-i-95-896-interchange-project-gets-57-million-fed-grant-that-moves-up-construction-date-to-fall-2022/

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$143 million I-95-896 interchange project gets $57 million fed grant that moves up construction date to fall 2022

Delaware’s congressional delegation announced a nearly $57 million grant from the U.S. Department of Transportation to the Delaware Department of Transportation for the construction of a redesigned interchange at I-95 and State Route 896. The new interchange will improve safety and reduce congestion by adding two flyovers, realigning existing ramps, and addressing other deficiencies with the current roadway geometry.

At present, 60 percent of vehicles on I-95 traveling southbound exit at State Route 896, creating congestion and safety issues.

This project will create a dedicated exit ramp for southbound 896 for motorists off of I-95, as well as a dedicated on-ramp from 896 to northbound I-95. The total project cost is $143 million, and with this grant award, construction will now begin in the fall of 2022, two years earlier than expected.

The funding for this project comes from the U.S. DOT’s Nationally Significant Freight and Highway Projects Program, or INFRA Grants program.

“As the leading Democrat on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, one of my top priorities is to improve our nation’s transportation systems so that our drivers, bicyclists and pedestrians do not put their lives at risk simply by using our roadways. This major grant of federal funding will go a long way to improve safety and, ultimately, save lives along the I-95 corridor in Delaware. By reducing traffic and easing congestion, this project will greatly reduce fatalities and serious injuries while better facilitating commerce in our state. These safety improvements will spur economic growth and less congestion will enable greater access to the City of Newark, the University of Delaware and its blossoming STAR Campus,” Senator Tom Carper said.

“This funding and this project are really about the safety of Delaware commuters, including students who use this interchange almost every day. Any parent who uses this intersection or has kids who frequently drive toandfrom GlasgowHigh School, NewarkHigh School, or other schools farther down 896,knows that improving the safety and capacity of this interchange is long overdue,” said Sen. Chris Coons.“As a member of the Appropriations Committee, I fought hard to secure this funding, and I’m excited that these long-awaitedimprovementswill soon be underway to help ourgrowing Newark and Middletown communitiesstay safe on the road.”

“Improving the safety of the I-95 and 896 interchange has been a priority for our state for a long time now. This INFRA Grant from the Department of Transportation means that we can finally address the safety and capacity issues on 896,”  said Congresswoman Lisa Blunt Rochester. “I want to thank DelDOT for their work in securing the grant and spearheading the project, Senator Carper, who sits on the Environment and Public Works Committee, and Senator Coons, who sits on the Appropriations Committee, for their tireless efforts on behalf of all Delawareans, and the Federal Department of Transportation for recognizing the importance of this project for Delaware.”

Additional information can be found on the DelDOT project page (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201609002).

Which alternative was chosen?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mvak36 on June 19, 2020, 08:49:55 AM

Which alternative was chosen?

According to the project site (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201609002), it looks like Alternative 1 (https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1841204&iProjectObjectID=49427) was chosen.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/gallery/12408_19_06_20_8_48_56.jpeg)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 19, 2020, 10:29:13 AM
I wonder if they considered building Interchange 2 as an alternative to reducing traffic at Interchange 1.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on June 19, 2020, 10:56:29 AM
I wonder if they considered building Interchange 2 as an alternative to reducing traffic at Interchange 1.

A partial interchange at SR 72 has been on WILMAPCO's list of unfunded aspiration projects for a while. Page 48, #19 of their 2040 Plan (http://www.wilmapco.org/RTP2040/2040RTPUpdateFinal.pdf) discusses the possibility. Also noteworthy, #18 mentions a potential ramp at Chapman Road as well.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on June 19, 2020, 12:29:07 PM
Related to the earlier Newark signage discussion, these SR 2 shields at Apple Road and SR 896 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6773704,-75.7617594,3a,39.5y,335h,89.54t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sEupTNQ1WmFEo-5p4Sp7OZw!2e0!5s20190801T000000!7i16384!8i8192) went up sometime after SR 2 was truncated through Newark. It's interesting to see where Newark's remembering or forgetting about the changes that've been made through town.

(https://i.imgur.com/sIy3jHF.png)


Last visit to Delaware, I saw those SR 2 shields on Apple Road and did a double take.  :wow: Swung around in the parking lot and shot this:

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/apple-rd-n-at-de-896.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/apple-rd-n-at-de-896.jpg)

Photo from 01-02-19

While going through the remaining Newark (https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/newark/) photos shot two Christmas's ago that I never got around to posting on the site, I checked GSV on all of the other remaining SR 2 installs across the city (Academy Street, Chapel Street, College Avenue). All assemblies were replaced last year and now only show SR 273 with two exceptions. The shield assembly on Chapel Street south at E Main Street (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/chapel-st-s-at-main-st-3.jpg) and the one on Academy Street north at Main Street (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/academy-st-n-at-main-st-1.jpg) were both removed all together.

I also need get down to the Ogletown Bypass at some point. The work down there at the intersection between SR 273 and Bala Road (the Red Mill Road connector) resulted in an additional eastbound lane being constructed through the intersection to tie into the SR 4 exit, but the updates that were made to the overhead signage for that exit are atrocious and I need to grab some pictures of them. For reference, this sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6814605,-75.6993462,3a,75y,174.92h,81.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4ieDoNlzRnTVUtiPc2oI5g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) was the one that was updated.

*awaits with eager anticipation*  :coffee:
That will be the third install of that sign since the bypass opened in 1997. The second (the one pictured above) was a carbon copy of the original:

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/de-273-archive/de-273_eb_at_de-004_21.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200619/4aa5c551be64621c56cf175dbfaf7702.jpg)


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 19, 2020, 12:40:07 PM
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DelDOT:
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We will like to thank Sally from Grade 2 for the winning sign design. Her creative art work will be on display for all to see for the next 15 years.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on June 19, 2020, 12:42:41 PM
You'd think for that cost they could just eliminate the state line toll considering how much revenue it has generated over decades.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on June 19, 2020, 01:05:49 PM
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I-95 NB being repaved again

Also I-95 from Delaware state line too Exit 2 in PA has been grinded down to the old concrete for repaving on both sides.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on June 19, 2020, 01:23:31 PM
Marsh Rd Exit

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I like how Florida does their Mast arms, however I think Delaware has them beat.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jmacswimmer on June 19, 2020, 01:25:36 PM
You'd think for that cost they could just eliminate the state line toll considering how much revenue it has generated over decades.

I do wonder how that interchange would function if the tolls were hypothetically removed.  There'd probably still be a decent amount of southbound traffic on 95 exiting to head into Newark or down towards Glasgow/Middletown, but removing shunpikers from the equation might make a noticeable difference.

OTOH, exit 109 on the Maryland side seems to function just fine with shunpikers factored in (it was previously upgraded from a diamond to a full cloverleaf, if memory serves).

Of course, I don't think DelDOT would ever want to give up that cash cow, even if part of the need for the exit 1 upgrade stems from shunpiking.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on June 19, 2020, 01:32:21 PM
You'd think for that cost they could just eliminate the state line toll considering how much revenue it has generated over decades.

I do wonder how that interchange would function if the tolls were hypothetically removed.  There'd probably still be a decent amount of southbound traffic on 95 exiting to head into Newark or down towards Glasgow/Middletown, but removing shunpikers from the equation might make a noticeable difference.

OTOH, exit 109 on the Maryland side seems to function just fine with shunpikers factored in (it was previously upgraded from a diamond to a full cloverleaf, if memory serves).

Of course, I don't think DelDOT would ever want to give up that cash cow, even if part of the need for the exit 1 upgrade stems from shunpiking.
Put the toll at the Pa/De stateline. Lets become like NY. 

Added bonus (Charge $20 per car).


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on June 19, 2020, 03:43:51 PM
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DelDOT:
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We will like to thank Sally from Grade 2 for the winning sign design. Her creative art work will be on display for all to see for the next 15 years.

My dash cam footage doesn't do the heinousness much more justice, but the shield actually has a thin black outline around it...

(https://i.imgur.com/w80xtGk.png)

I-95 NB being repaved again

What's the word on SB? That side was supposed to have a shoulder lane running to the SR 58 exit, but for something so unique to Delaware I've heard surprisingly little about it.
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on June 19, 2020, 03:54:55 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200619/4aa5c551be64621c56cf175dbfaf7702.jpg)

DelDOT:
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We will like to thank Sally from Grade 2 for the winning sign design. Her creative art work will be on display for all to see for the next 15 years.

My dash cam footage doesn't do the heinousness much more justice, but the shield actually has a thin black outline around it...

Your pic is much better. Its not a bad copy. But they could have done it better.

(https://i.imgur.com/w80xtGk.png)

I-95 NB being repaved again

What's the word on SB? That side was supposed to have a shoulder lane running to the SR 58 exit, but for something so unique to Delaware I've heard surprisingly little about it.

SB hasnt been started yet. But im assuming they will start after they finish up around the 141 construction.

Your pic is much better. Its not a bad copy. But they could have done it better.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on June 19, 2020, 05:15:43 PM
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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: vdeane on June 19, 2020, 08:46:37 PM
You'd think for that cost they could just eliminate the state line toll considering how much revenue it has generated over decades.

I do wonder how that interchange would function if the tolls were hypothetically removed.  There'd probably still be a decent amount of southbound traffic on 95 exiting to head into Newark or down towards Glasgow/Middletown, but removing shunpikers from the equation might make a noticeable difference.

OTOH, exit 109 on the Maryland side seems to function just fine with shunpikers factored in (it was previously upgraded from a diamond to a full cloverleaf, if memory serves).

Of course, I don't think DelDOT would ever want to give up that cash cow, even if part of the need for the exit 1 upgrade stems from shunpiking.
Put the toll at the Pa/De stateline. Lets become like NY. 

Added bonus (Charge $20 per car).


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The Thruway uniformly allows people to exit before encountering a toll barrier; the only places a toll exists at the state line is when crossing in to NYC on a Port Authority bridge or tunnel... and half of those booths are on the NJ side!

If DE were like NY, from Maryland to exit 1 would be free, and the toll would be after that.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on June 19, 2020, 08:54:18 PM
You'd think for that cost they could just eliminate the state line toll considering how much revenue it has generated over decades.

I do wonder how that interchange would function if the tolls were hypothetically removed.  There'd probably still be a decent amount of southbound traffic on 95 exiting to head into Newark or down towards Glasgow/Middletown, but removing shunpikers from the equation might make a noticeable difference.

OTOH, exit 109 on the Maryland side seems to function just fine with shunpikers factored in (it was previously upgraded from a diamond to a full cloverleaf, if memory serves).

Of course, I don't think DelDOT would ever want to give up that cash cow, even if part of the need for the exit 1 upgrade stems from shunpiking.
Put the toll at the Pa/De stateline. Lets become like NY. 

Added bonus (Charge $20 per car).


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The Thruway uniformly allows people to exit before encountering a toll barrier; the only places a toll exists at the state line is when crossing in to NYC on a Port Authority bridge or tunnel... and half of those booths are on the NJ side!

If DE were like NY, from Maryland to exit 1 would be free, and the toll would be after that.
So the port authority charges tolls for maintenance on all the bridges & tunnels or does it go to NY as well?

Im glad we dont have to pay a toll to cross into PA though, it would cause the whole area & travel to be different. People would probably take the train more.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: vdeane on June 19, 2020, 10:53:24 PM
NYSDOT itself doesn't charge tolls... all tolls in NY are collected by various government authorities.  The Port Authority itself is a bi-state agency between NY and NJ.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on June 19, 2020, 11:12:26 PM
I like how Florida does their Mast arms, however I think Delaware has them beat.
The ones at DE-72 and Old Baltimore Pike freak me out a bit.  A few coworkers and I were up there for work a few months ago and I remember us seeing the horizontal arm just slightly bouncing up and down.
 (https://i.ibb.co/2yn109c/Screenshot-from-2020-06-19-23-10-54.png) (https://ibb.co/Qfb37gY)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on June 20, 2020, 08:48:17 AM
Thanks Alex and Tonytone for posting images of that awful SR 4 / Salem Church Road overhead. Will look forward to seeing that in person...



Continuing work updating Delaware pages on the site with photos from 12/18 and 01/19, I looked into the Elkton Road (SR 279) project (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201504401) that adds a third lane eastbound from Otts Chapel Road to SR 4/896. Two years ago I wrote DelDOT about the lack of signage for SR 279, and perhaps they listened as the sign plans will fully acknowledge SR 279 at the intersection of Christina Parkway (SR 4/896) and Elkton Road (SR 896). SR 279 shields will also be posted after Otts Chapel Road in each direction.

However before we can think, good job contractor, I found this:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/de-279-896-sign-plans.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/de-279-896-sign-plans.jpg)

At first I thought, SR 896 is getting truncated south of Elkton Road? But nope, its just an erroneous Begin shield added for SR 896 north. The begin shield for SR 279 will be replaced and include a South banner (no begin shield for SR 4 east though). Also noteworthy is that instead of partitioning traffic to I-95 northbound via SR 4 and southbound and all trucks via SR 279, a single I-95 trailblazer will direct motorists southward on MSR 279 to Exit 109 in MD...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 20, 2020, 08:53:17 AM
Also noteworthy is that instead of partitioning traffic to I-95 northbound via SR 4 and southbound and all trucks via SR 279, a single I-95 trailblazer will direct motorists southward on MSR 279 to Exit 109 in MD...

Sneaky...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 20, 2020, 11:32:04 AM
I contacted DelDOT earlier this week on DE 24 ALT and DE 54 ALT due to the removal of most of the signs on DE 24 ALT and all signs on DE 54 ALT.

DelDOT ultimately told me that these routes did not exist anymore even though you can still find DE 24 ALT on the 2019 Traffic Counts (https://deldot.gov/Publications/manuals/traffic_counts/pdfs/2019/2019Interstate_USRoutes_DelawareRoutes.pdf?cache=1592088235966) and DE 54 ALT also on the Delaware Routes feature (http://opendata.firstmap.delaware.gov/datasets/delaware-routes).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on June 20, 2020, 04:19:55 PM
At first I thought, SR 896 is getting truncated south of Elkton Road? But nope, its just an erroneous Begin shield added for SR 896 north. The begin shield for SR 279 will be replaced and include a South banner (no begin shield for SR 4 east though).

The signage at that intersection as well as other intersections along what used to be SR 2 has been noticeably hit-or-miss ever since they truncated it and halfheartedly added SR 279 several years ago. The SR 4 / 72 intersection in particular is missing route marker signs for 3 out of 4 approaches, and the left turn for SR 896 NB turning west onto Christiana Parkway isn't signed at all from what I can tell.

Honestly I wish they'd go through and simplify the routes through Newark to keep each one on its own respective corridor rather than the current jumbled mess, keep SR 896 on S College, SR 279 on the entirety of Elkton Road / S Main Street, and leave SR 4 alone. Same goes for Middletown's routes now that their main commercial artery is a jumbled mess of concurrencies and segments with no designation at all in the wake of US 301's relocation, though this is all verging on fictional territory
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on July 05, 2020, 03:19:17 PM
Good news everyone. The Christiana bridge in Wilmington was opened this weekend.

The construction of the parking lot & roads in the riverfront is about 80% complete with one intersection by the imax almost completed.

I can say this has made the riverfront look very good

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200705/7365ea2e042d836f62dc8364150a4fa4.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200705/35d0296e8a862e091d4c7d4b7fffa14d.jpg)
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(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200705/918de3b081785e096a3de323199a1c22.jpg)


Also the Deldot building on the 7 is gated off & closed? Are they blowing the building & building a new one?

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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadrunner75 on July 06, 2020, 06:08:57 PM
Good news everyone. The Christiana bridge in Wilmington was opened this weekend.

The construction of the parking lot & roads in the riverfront is about 80% complete with one intersection by the imax almost completed.

I can say this has made the riverfront look very good

That's this, right?
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7277684,-75.5612067,394m/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7277684,-75.5612067,394m/data=!3m1!1e3)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on July 06, 2020, 06:13:11 PM
Good news everyone. The Christiana bridge in Wilmington was opened this weekend.

The construction of the parking lot & roads in the riverfront is about 80% complete with one intersection by the imax almost completed.

I can say this has made the riverfront look very good

That's this, right?
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7277684,-75.5612067,394m/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7277684,-75.5612067,394m/data=!3m1!1e3)
Correct


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on July 17, 2020, 09:32:56 AM
What is the project going on at I-95 just south of the junction with I-295?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 17, 2020, 12:32:40 PM
What is the project going on at I-95 just south of the junction with I-295?


I think you are referring to this.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2484164#msg2484164
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on July 20, 2020, 06:17:17 PM
What is the project going on at I-95 just south of the junction with I-295?


I think you are referring to this.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2484164#msg2484164
So it's just a shoulder?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on July 20, 2020, 06:22:09 PM
What is the project going on at I-95 just south of the junction with I-295?


I think you are referring to this.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2484164#msg2484164
So it's just a shoulder?
No its a new lane.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on July 20, 2020, 09:01:35 PM
What is the project going on at I-95 just south of the junction with I-295?


I think you are referring to this.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2484164#msg2484164
So it's just a shoulder?
No its a new lane.

It's both, but they haven't started on anything beyond the SR 141 interchange project yet, at least within the past couple weeks.
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on July 20, 2020, 09:08:16 PM
What is the project going on at I-95 just south of the junction with I-295?


I think you are referring to this.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2484164#msg2484164
So it's just a shoulder?
No its a new lane.

It's both, but they haven't started on anything beyond the SR 141 interchange project yet, at least within the past couple weeks.
Have you drove on I-95 yet? They are digging the lane for I-95/295 merge & they are prepping to put the metal beams on the 141 bridges.

Edit: if thats the plans for the 896 project. I dont think thats what the guy was asking about. He was asking about 95/295.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on July 21, 2020, 03:15:14 PM
What is the project going on at I-95 just south of the junction with I-295?


I think you are referring to this.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2484164#msg2484164
So it's just a shoulder?
No its a new lane.

It's both, but they haven't started on anything beyond the SR 141 interchange project yet, at least within the past couple weeks.
Have you drove on I-95 yet? They are digging the lane for I-95/295 merge & they are prepping to put the metal beams on the 141 bridges.

Edit: if thats the plans for the 896 project. I dont think thats what the guy was asking about. He was asking about 95/295.


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OK so they are adding a lane between the 95/295 SB junction and the SR1 exit?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on July 21, 2020, 03:21:46 PM
What is the project going on at I-95 just south of the junction with I-295?


I think you are referring to this.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2484164#msg2484164
So it's just a shoulder?
No its a new lane.

It's both, but they haven't started on anything beyond the SR 141 interchange project yet, at least within the past couple weeks.
Have you drove on I-95 yet? They are digging the lane for I-95/295 merge & they are prepping to put the metal beams on the 141 bridges.

Edit: if thats the plans for the 896 project. I dont think thats what the guy was asking about. He was asking about 95/295.


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OK so they are adding a lane between the 95/295 SB junction and the SR1 exit?
They are increasing the merge for the 295/95 merge on the left.

From 141 SB they are adding a lane in the shoulder. All the way up to exit Churchmans Crossing.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on July 22, 2020, 09:53:43 AM
Gotcha, so this is just from the 295/95 merge to SR1, an extra aux lane?

I guess though 295 when it merges with 95 will still be only 2 lanes at the entrance?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on July 22, 2020, 09:58:35 AM
Gotcha, so this is just from the 295/95 merge to SR1, an extra aux lane?

I guess though 295 when it merges with 95 will still be only 2 lanes at the entrance?
I believe the 295/95 Merge will be 3 lanes now.

& a new lane on the shoulder from 141 to Churchmans crossing will help alleviate the congestion from the left & those exiting onto Churchmans crossing.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on July 22, 2020, 03:41:25 PM
Gotcha, so this is just from the 295/95 merge to SR1, an extra aux lane?

I guess though 295 when it merges with 95 will still be only 2 lanes at the entrance?

It will, yes. After I-295 merges in, its left lane will end and its right lane will continue on as the left-most lane of I-95.
(https://i.imgur.com/4HXqTQL.png)

The right shoulder lane will come in from the SR 141 C/D road. (http://gssdocs.deldot.delaware.gov/bids/T201906109%20-%20Repost%20Construction%20Plans.pdf)
Title: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on July 22, 2020, 03:45:07 PM
Gotcha, so this is just from the 295/95 merge to SR1, an extra aux lane?

I guess though 295 when it merges with 95 will still be only 2 lanes at the entrance?

It will, yes. After I-295 merges in, its left lane will end and its right lane will continue on as the left-most lane of I-95.
(https://image.prntscr.com/image/M-3OwTRhQnab-BVi50UKPw.png)

The right shoulder lane will come in from the SR 141 C/D road. (http://gssdocs.deldot.delaware.gov/bids/T201906109%20-%20Repost%20Construction%20Plans.pdf)
This will greatly help the merge area though. It gets really tight right there especially including the C/D so pushing the merge up a mile plus adding that new lane will make this like the NJTP.

But like [mention]Beltway [/mention]or @P said before, they should have put the 295 merge on the right along with the C/D.

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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on July 27, 2020, 05:33:49 PM
Churchman Xing is what exit?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on July 27, 2020, 08:45:33 PM
Churchman Xing is what exit?

Exit 4B
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on July 29, 2020, 11:34:43 AM
OK...so right now

-295 SB goes 2 lanes after the 495 exit until it meets 95
-At the junction it becomes 5 lanes until exit 4B

So with construction it will become...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on July 29, 2020, 11:39:30 AM
OK...so right now

-295 SB goes 2 lanes after the 495 exit until it meets 95
-At the junction it becomes 5 lanes until exit 4B

So with construction it will become...
If I recall correctly from [mention]Alex4897 [/mention] or [mention]Alps [/mention]said it will be 7 or 8 lanes.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on July 30, 2020, 06:28:15 PM
OK...so right now

-295 SB goes 2 lanes after the 495 exit until it meets 95
-At the junction it becomes 5 lanes until exit 4B

So with construction it will become...
If I recall correctly from [mention]Alex4897 [/mention] or [mention]Alps [/mention]said it will be 7 or 8 lanes.


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So...

1.  295 SB after the 495 exit will get a 3rd lane from there until the junction with 95.
2.  95 SB from the junction with 295 to exit 4B will go from 5 lanes to 6 lanes

That's the project?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on July 31, 2020, 09:39:43 AM
Quote from: bluecountry
2.  95 SB from the junction with 295 to exit 4B will go from 5 lanes to 6 lanes

Not a permanent 6 lanes.  What DelDOT is doing is hardening the outside shoulder for use as a lane during peak periods.  It will not be a lane 24/7.  And it will only be between the 141 on-ramp and the Churchmans Rd exit.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 31, 2020, 12:38:02 PM
OK...so right now

-295 SB goes 2 lanes after the 495 exit until it meets 95
-At the junction it becomes 5 lanes until exit 4B

So with construction it will become...
If I recall correctly from [mention]Alex4897 [/mention] or [mention]Alps [/mention]said it will be 7 or 8 lanes.


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For a brief moment. 

Basically, directly under 141 where 295 has merged into 95, it will be 3 lanes from 95 and 3 lanes from 295.

In the C/D area for 141, there's 1 thru aux lane, and 1 decel/accel lane between the cloverleaf ramps for 141, which will equal 8 lanes total.  Also, then there will be 6 lanes on 95, and 1 aux lane, 1 accel lane from 141 South to 95 South. 

So there's 8 lanes total at max, but 2 of those lanes are for the 141 ramps, and that condition will last for less than 1/4 mile combined in 2 different places.

As it stands today, there's already 7 lanes in those areas.  The only difference in the future will be the 3rd lane from 295 merging in.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on August 02, 2020, 09:46:25 PM
Damn that is a confusing interchange.
OK so basically:

1.  295 after 495 to 95 junction will go from 2 to 3 lanes SB
2.  95 SB between 295 and exit 5 will be 5 or 6 lanes?
3.  95 SB from exit 5 to exit 4 will be 5+1 extra shoulder lane at peak

That it?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on August 02, 2020, 10:19:24 PM
Damn that is a confusing interchange.
OK so basically:

1.  295 after 495 to 95 junction will go from 2 to 3 lanes SB
2.  95 SB between 295 and exit 5 will be 5 or 6 lanes?
3.  95 SB from exit 5 to exit 4 will be 5+1 extra shoulder lane at peak

That it?
Yes & this will help the traffic move along better during rush hour. Wait till the project is done & youll see the upgrades.

Also who wants to bet we will see many tickets given out for driving in the shoulder lane during non rush hour times.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on August 03, 2020, 10:39:27 AM
Thanks, and this will be just SB 95, nothing NB on 95 or 295?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on August 21, 2020, 01:14:11 PM
Anyone know the status of this project.

 https://www.wilmingtonde.gov/home/showdocument?id=8716 (https://www.wilmingtonde.gov/home/showdocument?id=8716)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200821/b3faab2218db335f7d24f51e3a28143c.jpg)


This will be great for the connection of 495 & the Riverfront area of NE. There would be big changes when this happens.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 21, 2020, 02:50:05 PM
Anyone know the status of this project.

 https://www.wilmingtonde.gov/home/showdocument?id=8716 (https://www.wilmingtonde.gov/home/showdocument?id=8716)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200821/b3faab2218db335f7d24f51e3a28143c.jpg)


This will be great for the connection of 495 & the Riverfront area of NE. There would be big changes when this happens.


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Anything I'm finding seems to indicate the project started in 2019.  Have you been in the area lately to see if was already worked on?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on August 21, 2020, 02:54:33 PM
Anyone know the status of this project.

 https://www.wilmingtonde.gov/home/showdocument?id=8716 (https://www.wilmingtonde.gov/home/showdocument?id=8716)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200821/b3faab2218db335f7d24f51e3a28143c.jpg)


This will be great for the connection of 495 & the Riverfront area of NE. There would be big changes when this happens.


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Anything I'm finding seems to indicate the project started in 2019.  Have you been in the area lately to see if was already worked on?
I have drove past & saw a gate with a warp on it saying “Wilmington public water works”  

I guess thats the first step before starting the road


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on August 23, 2020, 04:39:55 PM
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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 27, 2020, 10:23:48 AM
DelDOT has started work on the widening of DE 279 EB. (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8282&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on August 27, 2020, 12:47:26 PM
DelDOT has started work on the widening of DE 279 EB. (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8282&type=Traffic)

There goes one shunpike for a while (although fewer vehicles on the road might offset this).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on August 27, 2020, 12:56:58 PM
DelDOT has started work on the widening of DE 279 EB. (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8282&type=Traffic)
There goes one shunpike for a while (although fewer vehicles on the road might offset this).
One can still use US 40.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on August 27, 2020, 01:03:17 PM
DelDOT has started work on the widening of DE 279 EB. (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8282&type=Traffic)
There goes one shunpike for a while (although fewer vehicles on the road might offset this).
One can still use US 40.
Eww US 40. All the traffic is on there & the I-95 exit is in Northeast.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on August 27, 2020, 04:01:49 PM
DelDOT has started work on the widening of DE 279 EB. (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8282&type=Traffic)

There goes one shunpike for a while (although fewer vehicles on the road might offset this).
That's not an effective shunpike because you're paying to cross the Susquehanna anyway. Once you're up on 1 there are other ways back to 95.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on August 27, 2020, 04:55:25 PM
DelDOT has started work on the widening of DE 279 EB. (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8282&type=Traffic)

There goes one shunpike for a while (although fewer vehicles on the road might offset this).
That's not an effective shunpike because you're paying to cross the Susquehanna anyway. Once you're up on 1 there are other ways back to 95.

If you have the Hatem Bridge E-ZPass, you pay $20 for the entire year.  Besides, that toll pays for both directions of a 40-mile long highway (versus a 10-mile stretch in DE).

I tried to shunpike using 1 from around Havre de Grace and it took forever to get to 1.  Then you're so far west that it takes forever to get back to 95, unless you go all the way to US 322 or I-476 in PA.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 27, 2020, 05:09:07 PM
DelDOT has started work on the widening of DE 279 EB. (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8282&type=Traffic)

There goes one shunpike for a while (although fewer vehicles on the road might offset this).
That's not an effective shunpike because you're paying to cross the Susquehanna anyway. Once you're up on 1 there are other ways back to 95.

If you have the Hatem Bridge E-ZPass, you pay $20 for the entire year.  Besides, that toll pays for both directions of a 40-mile long highway (versus a 10-mile stretch in DE).

I tried to shunpike using 1 from around Havre de Grace and it took forever to get to 1.  Then you're so far west that it takes forever to get back to 95, unless you go all the way to US 322 or I-476 in PA.

Most people aren't going to get that EZ Pass.  And ignoring that, the shunpiking is more about getting around the Delaware tolls, as there's easier options.  Going out to US 40 involves a lot of wasted time with the distance and the traffic lights.

If someone wants to save the $4 that bad at the Delaware tolls, the congestion levels on 279 probably shouldn't be all that bad; it tends to be a fairly easy road to travel normally anyway. 

There's always 896 to Old Baltimore Pike to Muddy Lane as well for another alternative route from DE to MD (and vice versa).

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on August 28, 2020, 07:41:07 PM
Map of the trolley routes in Wilmington-1945.

Imagine if we would have kept some trolley routes in the city. It would have promoted good growth & give it that city feel.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200828/c07189c37815ee920f43ca337b31d42c.jpg)


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 02, 2020, 01:58:17 PM
From DelDOT: A virtual public meeting is being held on September 22nd in regard for the proposed US 40/DE 896 Interchange. (https://deldot.gov/projects/vw/T201611901/index.shtml)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on September 02, 2020, 09:40:19 PM
WOAH!

Looking at the Wilmapco website project list and under #9 They are planning to rebuild the Newport Train station by 2030.

I see alot of good projects on this list, I can see many areas in New Castle becoming more urban in the future.

http://www.wilmapco.org/Rtp/2050/2050RTP.pdf (http://www.wilmapco.org/Rtp/2050/2050RTP.pdf)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on September 12, 2020, 12:41:41 AM
Interesting and good updates to I-95/896

https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=7590687&iProjectObjectID=49427 (https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=7590687&iProjectObjectID=49427)

Also Deldot just received 30.4 Million in grants from the feds

https://delawarebusinessnow.com/2020/09/deldot-gets-30-4-million-in-federal-highway-funds/ (https://delawarebusinessnow.com/2020/09/deldot-gets-30-4-million-in-federal-highway-funds/)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 12, 2020, 09:20:46 AM
Interesting and good updates to I-95/896

https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=7590687&iProjectObjectID=49427 (https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=7590687&iProjectObjectID=49427)

Regarding the 3rd graphic - the interim plan in 2021 to provide 95 3 thru lanes at 896, and the right lane being an Exit Only lane:

I don't know if I'm too much of a fan of the right lane at 896 being a permanent Exit Only lane, for what amounts to a max 2 hour-per-weekday rush hour issue.  This seems like it'll create more of an issue for thru traffic heading towards the cash lanes of the toll plaza, and won't resolve the issue of motorists trying to cut in to the right lane at the last moment to avoid the congestion getting off at 896.

I was never for the extremely elongated EZ Pass/Cash split for the toll plaza Southbound, where they brought the split all the way back to the 896 interchange.  When it comes to the current plans, they are probably a bit limited in what they could do because of this issue.

Also noted: While they're seemingly going to modify the signage with a bunch of layovers, they're not changing the "LANES DIVIDE - X MILE" panel, which will leave this awkwardly right-justified over the 3 lanes it's referring to.



I did notice, going thru the toll plaza Northbound this week, that they narrowed NB 95 to 3 lanes after the toll plaza making the right lane an Exit Only lane for 896, leaving 95 with 3 lanes under 896.  Some of me now thinks this was a 'test' to see if it'll work for 95 South, although the conditions are vastly different.  896 North to 95 North is now a continuous lane, forming the 4th lane for 95 North.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on September 14, 2020, 10:40:18 AM
Interesting and good updates to I-95/896

https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=7590687&iProjectObjectID=49427 (https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=7590687&iProjectObjectID=49427)

Regarding the 3rd graphic - the interim plan in 2021 to provide 95 3 thru lanes at 896, and the right lane being an Exit Only lane:

I don't know if I'm too much of a fan of the right lane at 896 being a permanent Exit Only lane, for what amounts to a max 2 hour-per-weekday rush hour issue.  This seems like it'll create more of an issue for thru traffic heading towards the cash lanes of the toll plaza, and won't resolve the issue of motorists trying to cut in to the right lane at the last moment to avoid the congestion getting off at 896.

I was never for the extremely elongated EZ Pass/Cash split for the toll plaza Southbound, where they brought the split all the way back to the 896 interchange.  When it comes to the current plans, they are probably a bit limited in what they could do because of this issue.

Also noted: While they're seemingly going to modify the signage with a bunch of layovers, they're not changing the "LANES DIVIDE - X MILE" panel, which will leave this awkwardly right-justified over the 3 lanes it's referring to.



I did notice, going thru the toll plaza Northbound this week, that they narrowed NB 95 to 3 lanes after the toll plaza making the right lane an Exit Only lane for 896, leaving 95 with 3 lanes under 896.  Some of me now thinks this was a 'test' to see if it'll work for 95 South, although the conditions are vastly different.  896 North to 95 North is now a continuous lane, forming the 4th lane for 95 North.
Are there any plans for that toll plaza going AET?  Such a conversion would ultimately address/resolve most of the fore-mentioned I-95 southbound traffic issues near/at that interchange.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 14, 2020, 11:37:01 AM
Interesting and good updates to I-95/896

https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=7590687&iProjectObjectID=49427 (https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=7590687&iProjectObjectID=49427)

Regarding the 3rd graphic - the interim plan in 2021 to provide 95 3 thru lanes at 896, and the right lane being an Exit Only lane:

I don't know if I'm too much of a fan of the right lane at 896 being a permanent Exit Only lane, for what amounts to a max 2 hour-per-weekday rush hour issue.  This seems like it'll create more of an issue for thru traffic heading towards the cash lanes of the toll plaza, and won't resolve the issue of motorists trying to cut in to the right lane at the last moment to avoid the congestion getting off at 896.

I was never for the extremely elongated EZ Pass/Cash split for the toll plaza Southbound, where they brought the split all the way back to the 896 interchange.  When it comes to the current plans, they are probably a bit limited in what they could do because of this issue.

Also noted: While they're seemingly going to modify the signage with a bunch of layovers, they're not changing the "LANES DIVIDE - X MILE" panel, which will leave this awkwardly right-justified over the 3 lanes it's referring to.



I did notice, going thru the toll plaza Northbound this week, that they narrowed NB 95 to 3 lanes after the toll plaza making the right lane an Exit Only lane for 896, leaving 95 with 3 lanes under 896.  Some of me now thinks this was a 'test' to see if it'll work for 95 South, although the conditions are vastly different.  896 North to 95 North is now a continuous lane, forming the 4th lane for 95 North.
Are there any plans for that toll plaza going AET?  Such a conversion would ultimately address/resolve most of the fore-mentioned I-95 southbound traffic issues near/at that interchange.

Given that plaza was only just rebuilt a few years ago, I'd be shocked if DelDOT elected to tear it down so soon. I could see AET conversion happening at the Delaware Memorial Bridge or along SR 1 before it's even considered on I-95.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on September 14, 2020, 11:41:57 AM
Interesting and good updates to I-95/896

https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=7590687&iProjectObjectID=49427 (https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=7590687&iProjectObjectID=49427)

Regarding the 3rd graphic - the interim plan in 2021 to provide 95 3 thru lanes at 896, and the right lane being an Exit Only lane:

I don't know if I'm too much of a fan of the right lane at 896 being a permanent Exit Only lane, for what amounts to a max 2 hour-per-weekday rush hour issue.  This seems like it'll create more of an issue for thru traffic heading towards the cash lanes of the toll plaza, and won't resolve the issue of motorists trying to cut in to the right lane at the last moment to avoid the congestion getting off at 896.

I was never for the extremely elongated EZ Pass/Cash split for the toll plaza Southbound, where they brought the split all the way back to the 896 interchange.  When it comes to the current plans, they are probably a bit limited in what they could do because of this issue.

Also noted: While they're seemingly going to modify the signage with a bunch of layovers, they're not changing the "LANES DIVIDE - X MILE" panel, which will leave this awkwardly right-justified over the 3 lanes it's referring to.



I did notice, going thru the toll plaza Northbound this week, that they narrowed NB 95 to 3 lanes after the toll plaza making the right lane an Exit Only lane for 896, leaving 95 with 3 lanes under 896.  Some of me now thinks this was a 'test' to see if it'll work for 95 South, although the conditions are vastly different.  896 North to 95 North is now a continuous lane, forming the 4th lane for 95 North.
Are there any plans for that toll plaza going AET?  Such a conversion would ultimately address/resolve most of the fore-mentioned I-95 southbound traffic issues near/at that interchange.

Given that plaza was only just rebuilt a few years ago, I'd be shocked if DelDOT elected to tear it down so soon. I could see AET conversion happening at the Delaware Memorial Bridge or along SR 1 before it's even considered on I-95.
I see no backups at the toll plaza. The back ups are as jeff mentioned above..... people trying to go ahead of the traffic & cut into the 896 exit lanes.

Also this toll plaza has express lanes. Such as SR1. Del mem bridge would be the next one on the list to be updated with express lanes & such.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 16, 2020, 07:28:27 PM
Given that plaza was only just rebuilt a few years ago, I'd be shocked if DelDOT elected to tear it down so soon. I could see AET conversion happening at the Delaware Memorial Bridge or along SR 1 before it's even considered on I-95.

Time flies when you're having fun...that Express lane setup was completed in the summer of 2011!  So getting 9+ years out of that if they went full AET today isn't really too bad.

Compare that to the new toll plaza on the PA Turnpike just west of I-95.  That opened in 2018, and the PA Turnpike just went AET, basically abandoning the 2 year old cash lanes.

When the NJ Turnpike Interchange 1 was rebuilt in 2004, the 14 cash lanes exiting the Turnpike were needed...for maybe 5 years tops.  If it was built for today's traffic volume they could probably cut down the cash lanes to fewer than 10, and several of those would probably only be used Thanksgiving weekend.  As it stands now, I don't think the left 6 cash lanes have ever been used for anything other than slow-speed EZ Pass lanes over the past 10 years (again, other than maybe Thanksgiving weekend).

As for the Delaware Memorial Bridge, as far as I'm aware there's no real talk of them going AET, and a Express/Cash lane idea was investigated but dropped due to the DRBA Building access on the left and the DE 9 ramps on the right. 

Being they have the plaza striped in such a way where:
   The left 5 lanes (4 of which are usually EZ Pass Only lanes) merge into a single lane,
   The right 5 lanes merge into the exit lane for DE 9,
   Yet the center 3 lanes all have their own lane fully out of the toll plaza,
They'll find a way to fuck up any sort of EZ Pass conversion.

I will say they did a nice job with the widening over US 13 though.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 23, 2020, 12:25:53 AM
I was doing some poking around on AASHTO's route numbering archive (https://grmservices.grmims.com/vsearch/portal/public/na4/aashto/default) looking to find any interesting proposals or submissions from Delaware I hadn't heard about and ended up finding just that. Some background to set the stage:

Back in 1978, DelDOT had this nagging concern that routing the mainline interstate through downtown Wilmington was causing too much thru traffic to intermingle with local traffic, causing congestion that could be easily resolved by getting the thru traffic to use I-495 instead. On top of this, they were preparing to tear the Wilmington Viaduct on I-95 apart for a massive rebuild and were afraid of apocalyptic congestion (not unlike the current viaduct rebuild project). Their solution, as Alex has already documented on the main AAR site, was to move I-95 onto the Wilmington bypass route (I-495) and redesignate the downtown route as something else.

Their first idea, submitted to AASHTO on May 31st, 1978, was to number the downtown route I-595. AASHTO approved of the general idea, but told DelDOT to choose either I-495 or I-695 to follow loop / spur numbering rules.

Rather than follow through on this, DelDOT decided to split the downtown route into two designations, I-195 between the Christiana Marsh interchange and US 202, and I-395 between US 202 and Pennsylvania. That apparently wasn't all there was to the proposal apparently, as DelDOT's full plan was to extend I-195 up US 202 / Concord Pike to the intersection at Powder Mill Road (what was then DE 141). Applications were sent in on September 18, 1978 for I-195, I-395, and what was dubbed Temporary I-195 over Concord Pike, and all three were accepted! The Temporary designation seemed to be in place as DelDOT acknowledged it'd take them some time to bring the southern reaches of Concord Pike up to interstate standards.

Their plan would've looked something like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/PJxSIVb.png)

Sometime in 1979 DelDOT decided it didn't like their previous idea, so they retracted the I-195 / I-395 plan, along with any plan for an interstate designation along Concord Pike, and went with the I-895 plan that they eventually followed through on. That was reverted back to the I-95 / I-495 setup as soon as construction in Wilmington wrapped up, as evidently DelDOT's concerns of thru traffic clogging up the downtown route evaporated (or someone in Wilmington complained).


The idea to designate a portion of Concord Pike as an interstate doesn't appear to have come up anywhere since, and this is the first time I've ever seen any mention of the idea. I thought it was a pretty neat find!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on September 23, 2020, 01:08:31 PM
Perusing the same AASHTO Route Numbering Archive, some things I always wondered about Delaware U.S. Highway numbering have been answered.

U.S. 202 was truncated from State Road north to Farnhurst and U.S. 301 extended between the same points. A meeting held on February 5, 1964 gives the rationale:

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Whereas the studies show that the common terminal of these two U.S. Routes should be moved from State Road to Farnhurst in order to terminate each route at an interchange on a major corridor, Interstate Route 295.

"U.S. 13A Bypass" existed north from Claymont to Marcus Hook and Chester, PA. The request was approved on June 20, 1967.

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The elimination of U.S. 13 By-pass Route is requested because:

It no longer serves the purpose of a by-pass route due to traffic congestion on the route created by roadside development.

In short, the by-pass route does not by-pass or provide relief, now, for traffic between Naaman's Corner and Philadelphia through Chester.

The switch of U.S. 13 Alternate to U.S. 13 along Northeast / Governor Printz Boulevard and U.S. 13 as U.S. 13 Business along Market Street and Philadelphia Pike in 1970:

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The purpose of this switch in numbering is to make the routes agree with the route definition found in the 1962 Policy Manual...

Policy calls for the "shortest and best available route between major control points on the system". U.S. 13 Alternate located over Governor Printz is obviously the higher design facility, less congested, and has shorter travel time. The mixing of high speed through traffic and slow moving locally orientated traffic is highly undesirable."

The truncation of U.S. 202 in 1970 was a logical one. The formal reasoning:

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It is recommended that the existing U.S. 202 at the intersection of I-95 and U.S. 202 be stopped, and the section of U.S. 202 North of I-295 and I-95 interchange be eliminated.

Since the completion of I-95 (November 1968), the U.S. 202 traffic through Wilmington is moving via I-95, this being the fastest and the best possible route connecting U.S. 202 and I-295.

Why U.S. 13 Alternate in Dover is not U.S. 13 Business was addressed in a response from AASHTO dated July 12, 1974:

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we do not feel redesignation of U.S. Route 13 Alternate to U.S. Route 13 Business, in Dover, conforms with the definition of "Business Route" or is in the best interest of the public.

U.S. Route 13 Alternate does not provide the variety of services associated with a Business Route. Primarily, the route serves residential areas having scattered commercial development. We respectfully suggest that the existing U.S. Route designation in Dover is quite adequate and that no further changes are necessary at this point in time.

And finally, the reasoning behind the 1984 extension of U.S. 202 south from I-95 at Exit 8 in Wilmington and U.S. 13/40 and SR 141 at Basins Corner:

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This is to provide a high capacity safe connection between U.S. 13, a major north-south route, and U.S. 202, a major route into Pennsylvania and the Pennsylvania Turnpike. Prior to I-95 opening, U.S. 202 connected to U.S. 13 across City of Wilmington Streets. The Department has received continuing requests for a re-establishment of a connection."

The application proceeds to list additional rationale points citing safety issues/high hazard location with I-295 west of the Farnhurst Interchange in effort to shift traffic from U.S. 202 to U.S. 13 from using I-295.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 23, 2020, 01:45:23 PM
The truncation of U.S. 202 in 1970 was a logical one. The formal reasoning:

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It is recommended that the existing U.S. 202 at the intersection of I-95 and U.S. 202 be stopped, and the section of U.S. 202 North of I-295 and I-95 interchange be eliminated.

Since the completion of I-95 (November 1968), the U.S. 202 traffic through Wilmington is moving via I-95, this being the fastest and the best possible route connecting U.S. 202 and I-295.

Logical but unusual, as this could apply to trounce scores of US routes. I'm not familiar with the historical routing of 202, but it doesn't appear there's a clear and smooth path between 95 and 295 to run along, which I would think has a lot more to do with the elimination of US 202.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: The Ghostbuster on September 24, 2020, 08:45:25 PM
Maybe when Interstate 95 was moved to Interstate 495's route temporarily in the late 1970's, with the existing 95 becoming Interstate 895, they should have left those designations intact. If I'm not mistaken, Interstate 495 is six lanes until Exit 5, while 95 has some portions that are only four lanes wide.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 24, 2020, 09:35:25 PM
Maybe when Interstate 95 was moved to Interstate 495's route temporarily in the late 1970's, with the existing 95 becoming Interstate 895, they should have left those designations intact. If I'm not mistaken, Interstate 495 is six lanes until Exit 5, while 95 has some portions that are only four lanes wide.

I-495 is 6 lanes the entire way except for the very northern portion.

I-95 is 4 lanes except for the viaduct south of Downtown Wilmington to I-295, which is 6 lanes.

That said, the current routing is the correct routing.  2 di's connect cities, 3 di's loop around cities or spur away from the 2 di.  Otherwise, it could be argued many cities could have the 2 di loop around it rather than going thru it.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: The Ghostbuster on September 25, 2020, 05:33:39 PM
Is there any way Interstate 95 in Wilmington could be expanded to six lanes through its entire length between the two 495 junctions without wreaking the entire city? How congested is the existing roadway on a day-to-day basis, and could the route use additional traffic lanes (even if such a proposal could only exist in Fictional Highways)?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 25, 2020, 07:04:18 PM
Is there any way Interstate 95 in Wilmington could be expanded to six lanes through its entire length between the two 495 junctions without wreaking the entire city? How congested is the existing roadway on a day-to-day basis, and could the route use additional traffic lanes (even if such a proposal could only exist in Fictional Highways)?

Ironically, the.most congested part is often the section with 6 lanes.

I don't think the 4 lane section north of Wilmington is a huge issue in terms of traffic volume. Its more an issue of left lane hogs, which both DE and PA are well known for.

The area in the immediate vicinity of downtown Wilmington could use another lane each way, and there is enough room to do it.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mrsman on September 27, 2020, 12:41:41 PM
Is there any way Interstate 95 in Wilmington could be expanded to six lanes through its entire length between the two 495 junctions without wreaking the entire city? How congested is the existing roadway on a day-to-day basis, and could the route use additional traffic lanes (even if such a proposal could only exist in Fictional Highways)?

Ironically, the.most congested part is often the section with 6 lanes.

I don't think the 4 lane section north of Wilmington is a huge issue in terms of traffic volume. Its more an issue of left lane hogs, which both DE and PA are well known for.

The area in the immediate vicinity of downtown Wilmington could use another lane each way, and there is enough room to do it.

I think all of the above goes back to the point of whether or not it was a good idea to route 95 through Wilmington.  The long distance traffic mixes with the local traffic.  A lot more bypass traffic would probably take 495 if it were numbered 95.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 27, 2020, 04:38:39 PM
I think all of the above goes back to the point of whether or not it was a good idea to route 95 through Wilmington.  The long distance traffic mixes with the local traffic.  A lot more bypass traffic would probably take 495 if it were numbered 95.

I-495 in Delaware is signed (in terms of control cities) to encourage "thru" trips to use it as a bypass of I-95. 

That, combined with drivers that know that I-495 is a better (as in faster with less interchanges) road than I-95 are probably taking it now.  I have never had issues taking either one, except during the problem in 2014 with the I-495 bridge over the Christiana River that forced a hard closure of I-495 that lasted several weeks.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on September 27, 2020, 08:19:10 PM
Is there any way Interstate 95 in Wilmington could be expanded to six lanes through its entire length between the two 495 junctions without wreaking the entire city? How congested is the existing roadway on a day-to-day basis, and could the route use additional traffic lanes (even if such a proposal could only exist in Fictional Highways)?

Ironically, the.most congested part is often the section with 6 lanes.

I don't think the 4 lane section north of Wilmington is a huge issue in terms of traffic volume. Its more an issue of left lane hogs, which both DE and PA are well known for.

The area in the immediate vicinity of downtown Wilmington could use another lane each way, and there is enough room to do it.

I think all of the above goes back to the point of whether or not it was a good idea to route 95 through Wilmington.  The long distance traffic mixes with the local traffic.  A lot more bypass traffic would probably take 495 if it were numbered 95.
Based on what I've seen, traffic is pretty well balanced either way. If 95 were signed around the city, it might end up overloaded outside of rush hour relative to what's now 95.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 27, 2020, 10:24:06 PM
I think all of the above goes back to the point of whether or not it was a good idea to route 95 through Wilmington.  The long distance traffic mixes with the local traffic.  A lot more bypass traffic would probably take 495 if it were numbered 95.

I-495 in Delaware is signed (in terms of control cities) to encourage "thru" trips to use it as a bypass of I-95. 

That, combined with drivers that know that I-495 is a better (as in faster with less interchanges) road than I-95 are probably taking it now.  I have never had issues taking either one, except during the problem in 2014 with the I-495 bridge over the Christiana River that forced a hard closure of I-495 that lasted several weeks.



Agreed. I think a lot of the traffic that should take 495 already does.

I do see this though: Coming from PA, there appears to be more confusion about which way to go, which may be the result of there only being 3 lanes available, along with the diagrammic highway signs.  Going North from Delaware, there's 5 lanes available, and arrows pointing down to each lane.

But as I pointed out upthread - this applies to any city with alternate bypasses around the city: Some people will take the main route no matter what, so Wilmington isn't unique in this aspect.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 06, 2020, 11:30:47 AM
DelDOT: The I-95/DE 3 Interchange is expected to reopen fully on Saturday. (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8330&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 20, 2020, 12:30:44 PM
DelDOT is hosting a virtual public meeting on DE 1 from Road A (DE 7) to Tybouts Corner (US 13/DE 71) on November 19th.  (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=14428)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on October 22, 2020, 04:48:14 PM
I am STILL confused on what is going on SB 295/95 junction.
Can someone explain:


-What it was before
-What it will be
-What it is now?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 22, 2020, 05:12:50 PM
I am STILL confused on what is going on SB 295/95 junction.
Can someone explain:


-What it was before
-What it will be
-What it is now?

It appears that the 295 lanes will remain separated from the I-95 lanes until after the DE 141 overpass, and then merge in.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on October 23, 2020, 10:41:12 AM
I am STILL confused on what is going on SB 295/95 junction.
Can someone explain:


-What it was before
-What it will be
-What it is now?

It appears that the 295 lanes will remain separated from the I-95 lanes until after the DE 141 overpass, and then merge in.

OK but how many lanes was 295 before/now/once done?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 23, 2020, 01:00:02 PM
I am STILL confused on what is going on SB 295/95 junction.
Can someone explain:


-What it was before
-What it will be
-What it is now?

It appears that the 295 lanes will remain separated from the I-95 lanes until after the DE 141 overpass, and then merge in.

OK but how many lanes was 295 before/now/once done?


https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7051915,-75.6015978,222m/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7051915,-75.6015978,222m/data=!3m1!1e3)

Gotcha, so this is just from the 295/95 merge to SR1, an extra aux lane?

I guess though 295 when it merges with 95 will still be only 2 lanes at the entrance?

It will, yes. After I-295 merges in, its left lane will end and its right lane will continue on as the left-most lane of I-95.
(https://i.imgur.com/4HXqTQL.png)

The right shoulder lane will come in from the SR 141 C/D road. (http://gssdocs.deldot.delaware.gov/bids/T201906109%20-%20Repost%20Construction%20Plans.pdf)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 26, 2020, 05:21:43 PM
The right shoulder lane will come in from the SR 141 C/D road. (http://gssdocs.deldot.delaware.gov/bids/T201906109%20-%20Repost%20Construction%20Plans.pdf)

Nice!  Thanks for this link.

Although it appears on Page 33, the incorrect Lane Ending sign is used.  The left lane from 495 South ends after it meets 95 South.  The sign appears to indicate the right lane ends.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 27, 2020, 02:00:09 AM
The right shoulder lane will come in from the SR 141 C/D road. (http://gssdocs.deldot.delaware.gov/bids/T201906109%20-%20Repost%20Construction%20Plans.pdf)

Nice!  Thanks for this link.

Although it appears on Page 33, the incorrect Lane Ending sign is used.  The left lane from 495 South ends after it meets 95 South.  The sign appears to indicate the right lane ends.

Looks like they got the MUTCD code for the sign correct though, if you cross check SS-16 in the later table it comes up as a W4-2L. Looks like someone at one of the firms designing the project got mixed up and inserted the mirrored cell from Microstation, whoops
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on October 27, 2020, 11:07:27 AM
Ok so pre-construcytion:

295 SB was 2 lanes approaching 95 which was 4 lanes

and post-construction....
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jemacedo9 on October 27, 2020, 11:28:59 AM
Ok so pre-construcytion:

295 SB was 2 lanes approaching 95 which was 4 lanes

and post-construction....

BEFORE:
295 SB was 2 lanes, merges into one to become the far left lane of a 5 lane roadway
95 SB was 4 lanes, becomes the right 4 lanes of a 5 lane roadway
141 CD was 1 lane, merges completely into the far right lane


AFTER
295 SB was 2 lanes, merges into one to become the far left lane
95 SB was 4 lanes, will becomes the right 4 lanes of the 5 lane roadway
141 CD was 1 lane, will become shoulder lane when active, otherwise will merge into far right lane

Shoulder lane will drop at the DE 58 exit
Far right lane drops (and will still drop) at the DE 1 South exit


Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on October 29, 2020, 04:22:48 PM
Ok so pre-construcytion:

295 SB was 2 lanes approaching 95 which was 4 lanes

and post-construction....

BEFORE:
295 SB was 2 lanes, merges into one to become the far left lane of a 5 lane roadway
95 SB was 4 lanes, becomes the right 4 lanes of a 5 lane roadway
141 CD was 1 lane, merges completely into the far right lane


AFTER
295 SB was 2 lanes, merges into one to become the far left lane
95 SB was 4 lanes, will becomes the right 4 lanes of the 5 lane roadway
141 CD was 1 lane, will become shoulder lane when active, otherwise will merge into far right lane

Shoulder lane will drop at the DE 58 exit
Far right lane drops (and will still drop) at the DE 1 South exit
Thanks, so basically all this does is add a peak shoulder land for 141 CD on SB 95 at the 295 junction?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 29, 2020, 04:52:02 PM
Ok so pre-construcytion:

295 SB was 2 lanes approaching 95 which was 4 lanes

and post-construction....

BEFORE:
295 SB was 2 lanes, merges into one to become the far left lane of a 5 lane roadway
95 SB was 4 lanes, becomes the right 4 lanes of a 5 lane roadway
141 CD was 1 lane, merges completely into the far right lane


AFTER
295 SB was 2 lanes, merges into one to become the far left lane
95 SB was 4 lanes, will becomes the right 4 lanes of the 5 lane roadway
141 CD was 1 lane, will become shoulder lane when active, otherwise will merge into far right lane

Shoulder lane will drop at the DE 58 exit
Far right lane drops (and will still drop) at the DE 1 South exit
Thanks, so basically all this does is add a peak shoulder land for 141 CD on SB 95 at the 295 junction?

Basically...depending what you meant there.  The shoulder lane is on 95 South from 141 to 58.

It does seem like a lot for little return, but it also involves the DE 141 bridges being reconstructed.  This will modernize the overpasses, and allow for a 3rd lane to be built on 295 merging into 95 in the future if it's necessary to do so.  The bridge needed to be reconstructed anyway, so they're just preparing for the future as well.

I'm not terribly convinced the shoulder lane will help much.  From 141 thru the Marsh, it'll be ok.  At Route 58 though, my worry is that too many people will try to cut out from that shoulder lane to continue on 95 to DE 1, and that'll form a weaving/conflict point.  Considering how many people try cutting in to the exit lanes for DE 1 already, this may further compound that issue.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on October 29, 2020, 10:30:56 PM
This will modernize the overpasses, and allow for a 3rd lane to be built on 295 merging into 95 in the future if it's necessary to do so.
Um... it already is?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 29, 2020, 10:44:09 PM
This will modernize the overpasses, and allow for a 3rd lane to be built on 295 merging into 95 in the future if it's necessary to do so.
Um... it already is?

I would think so too...but quite often 95 itself seems to be jammed at the same time.  And if there's 4 lanes of 95 and 3 lanes of 295 merging in, there needs to be a 2 lane reduction unless they add a travel lane by permanently eliminating one of the shoulders down to at least DE 1.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on October 30, 2020, 10:38:27 AM
Ok so pre-construcytion:

295 SB was 2 lanes approaching 95 which was 4 lanes

and post-construction....

BEFORE:
295 SB was 2 lanes, merges into one to become the far left lane of a 5 lane roadway
95 SB was 4 lanes, becomes the right 4 lanes of a 5 lane roadway
141 CD was 1 lane, merges completely into the far right lane


AFTER
295 SB was 2 lanes, merges into one to become the far left lane
95 SB was 4 lanes, will becomes the right 4 lanes of the 5 lane roadway
141 CD was 1 lane, will become shoulder lane when active, otherwise will merge into far right lane

Shoulder lane will drop at the DE 58 exit
Far right lane drops (and will still drop) at the DE 1 South exit
Thanks, so basically all this does is add a peak shoulder land for 141 CD on SB 95 at the 295 junction?

Basically...depending what you meant there.  The shoulder lane is on 95 South from 141 to 58.

It does seem like a lot for little return, but it also involves the DE 141 bridges being reconstructed.  This will modernize the overpasses, and allow for a 3rd lane to be built on 295 merging into 95 in the future if it's necessary to do so.  The bridge needed to be reconstructed anyway, so they're just preparing for the future as well.

I'm not terribly convinced the shoulder lane will help much.  From 141 thru the Marsh, it'll be ok.  At Route 58 though, my worry is that too many people will try to cut out from that shoulder lane to continue on 95 to DE 1, and that'll form a weaving/conflict point.  Considering how many people try cutting in to the exit lanes for DE 1 already, this may further compound that issue.
Oh ok, so 295 SB at 95 will have the capacity to add a 3rd lane at the merge in the future?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 30, 2020, 08:48:24 PM
Ok so pre-construcytion:

295 SB was 2 lanes approaching 95 which was 4 lanes

and post-construction....

BEFORE:
295 SB was 2 lanes, merges into one to become the far left lane of a 5 lane roadway
95 SB was 4 lanes, becomes the right 4 lanes of a 5 lane roadway
141 CD was 1 lane, merges completely into the far right lane


AFTER
295 SB was 2 lanes, merges into one to become the far left lane
95 SB was 4 lanes, will becomes the right 4 lanes of the 5 lane roadway
141 CD was 1 lane, will become shoulder lane when active, otherwise will merge into far right lane

Shoulder lane will drop at the DE 58 exit
Far right lane drops (and will still drop) at the DE 1 South exit
Thanks, so basically all this does is add a peak shoulder land for 141 CD on SB 95 at the 295 junction?

Basically...depending what you meant there.  The shoulder lane is on 95 South from 141 to 58.

It does seem like a lot for little return, but it also involves the DE 141 bridges being reconstructed.  This will modernize the overpasses, and allow for a 3rd lane to be built on 295 merging into 95 in the future if it's necessary to do so.  The bridge needed to be reconstructed anyway, so they're just preparing for the future as well.

I'm not terribly convinced the shoulder lane will help much.  From 141 thru the Marsh, it'll be ok.  At Route 58 though, my worry is that too many people will try to cut out from that shoulder lane to continue on 95 to DE 1, and that'll form a weaving/conflict point.  Considering how many people try cutting in to the exit lanes for DE 1 already, this may further compound that issue.
Oh ok, so 295 SB at 95 will have the capacity to add a 3rd lane at the merge in the future?

Certainly seems that way.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 12, 2020, 01:25:15 PM
DelDOT: DelDOT Announces Opening of New Route 1 Southbound Auxiliary Lane  (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8394&type=Traffic)

Quote
The Delaware Department of Transportation (DelDOT) announces that the new Route 1 southbound auxiliary lane between Route 273 and Route 40 is now open to traffic.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on November 20, 2020, 11:58:50 AM
The SR 1 widening project between I-95 and the C&D Canal is back, DelDOT held a virtual workshop yesterday for the first half of the project between the Christiana Mall and US 13. The workshop focused mainly on the interchange at SR 273, which was a serious point of contention earlier in the decade when this project was being hashed out last time.

The previous plans called for cutting the south leg of SR 7 off coming out of the town of Christiana in order to make way for a parclo interchange connecting to the SR 273 / SR 7 intersection. This would effectively isolate the south side of Christiana from SR 273 and create serious problems in the event of flooding on the Christina River. These plans are gone, instead all new alternatives call for restricting access from southbound SR 1 to southbound SR 7 by channelizing the left turn movements on westbound SR 273. Traffic destined for SR 7 between SR 273 and US 40 would use a new set of ramps that tie into Newtown Road further south.

Link to Workshop (https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=7933309&iProjectObjectID=2579)

(https://i.imgur.com/hNbhG0d.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/f4Tnd7a.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/o809MKm.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/1TdSfQd.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/OOzx4P6.png)

I'm personally hoping the SPUI alternative gets selected, eliminating one of the lights on SR 273 while shifting the brunt of the problematic traffic away from the interchange entirely seems like it'd make the most difference for the most people. I'm a bit surprised and annoyed to see that nothing's being done yet about the US 13 merge going southbound, the fact that US 13 is still prioritized and SR 1 loses a lane going into the merge despite carrying far more traffic is the source of significant friction on the corridor.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on November 20, 2020, 06:23:57 PM
And back in 2017 they did work at 295 by the DE Mem Bridge, what exactly was that again?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 20, 2020, 09:07:15 PM
If it were my choices, I'd go with Alt 2 or 3. Alt 1 really doesn't change much. Alt 4...I never cared for interchanges that involve a separate roadway to enter or exit from.

I was also trying to figure out how the Park and Ride is affected. It looks like it can't be accessed in Alt 4 at all, but it appears crossed out in the other 3 Alts also.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 20, 2020, 09:11:31 PM
If it were my choices, I'd go with Alt 2 or 3. Alt 1 really doesn't change much. Alt 4...I never cared for interchanges that involve a separate roadway to enter or exit from.

I was also trying to figure out how the Park and Ride is affected. It looks like it can't be accessed in Alt 4 at all, but it appears crossed out in the other 3 Alts also.
Alt 3 looks like the best option especially with the newtown ramp.

The park & ride will be gone. They are building a transit center at the Christiana mall that is currently in the development page according to the DELDOT projects site


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 21, 2020, 09:20:31 AM
If it were my choices, I'd go with Alt 2 or 3. Alt 1 really doesn't change much. Alt 4...I never cared for interchanges that involve a separate roadway to enter or exit from.

I was also trying to figure out how the Park and Ride is affected. It looks like it can't be accessed in Alt 4 at all, but it appears crossed out in the other 3 Alts also.
Alt 3 looks like the best option especially with the newtown ramp.

The park & ride will be gone. They are building a transit center at the Christiana mall that is currently in the development page according to the DELDOT projects site


iPhone

https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201353111

I see *near* the mall, so not sure if that refers to the parking lot around the mall, or somewhere else close by.

Either way, it seems like a waste to get rid of this one by 1 & 273.  Many times, the purpose of these park and rides are that people don't need to travel far, or need to travel on busy roads or the highways.  By consolidating them into one place in a busy area, they're eliminating some of the purposes of them.  Even by leaving the lot open without bus service, it would still serve as a carpooling meeting location.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 21, 2020, 04:09:17 PM
If it were my choices, I'd go with Alt 2 or 3. Alt 1 really doesn't change much. Alt 4...I never cared for interchanges that involve a separate roadway to enter or exit from.

I was also trying to figure out how the Park and Ride is affected. It looks like it can't be accessed in Alt 4 at all, but it appears crossed out in the other 3 Alts also.
Alt 3 looks like the best option especially with the newtown ramp.

The park & ride will be gone. They are building a transit center at the Christiana mall that is currently in the development page according to the DELDOT projects site


iPhone

https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201353111

I see *near* the mall, so not sure if that refers to the parking lot around the mall, or somewhere else close by.

Either way, it seems like a waste to get rid of this one by 1 & 273.  Many times, the purpose of these park and rides are that people don't need to travel far, or need to travel on busy roads or the highways.  By consolidating them into one place in a busy area, they're eliminating some of the purposes of them.  Even by leaving the lot open without bus service, it would still serve as a carpooling meeting location.
Well when they build the connector road from 58 thru the capano development to the fashion center it will alleviate some traffic. I think the park & ride/transit center is perfect for the mall or 273-13. It needs to be in an area that people can walk to & also connect people to. The current location of the park & ride is only good for cars which I see mostly parked there. I have never seen anyone walk 273 even with the sidewalks they plan to add.

The mall or the corner if 273/13 behind the burgerking are perfect areas for the park&ride in my opinion.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jcn on December 04, 2020, 02:15:23 AM
On a completely different note from what's been discussed, here's something interesting I've noticed when it comes to the DE state route system.  Usually, the odd numbered routes are north-south, and the even numbered routes are east-west similarly to the Interstate and US Highway systems with the exception of routes that are continuations of PA and MD state routes like route 52 and route 273 for instance.  One exception I notice is route 72 which is a north-south route despite the fact it's an even number, and it doesn't continue as a PA or MD state route.  Does anyone know why that's the case there?  What confuses me even more is that DE doesn't have a route 73, so why couldn't they have made this route 73 given that it's a north-south route?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on December 04, 2020, 04:27:32 PM
On a completely different note from what's been discussed, here's something interesting I've noticed when it comes to the DE state route system.  Usually, the odd numbered routes are north-south, and the even numbered routes are east-west similarly to the Interstate and US Highway systems with the exception of routes that are continuations of PA and MD state routes like route 52 and route 273 for instance.  One exception I notice is route 72 which is a north-south route despite the fact it's an even number, and it doesn't continue as a PA or MD state route.  Does anyone know why that's the case there?  What confuses me even more is that DE doesn't have a route 73, so why couldn't they have made this route 73 given that it's a north-south route?
"DE 72 was designated by 1942 to run from DE 2 (Main Street) in Newark north to DE 7, following Chapel Street and Paper Mill Road."
If Wiki is accurate, it was numbered to connect 7 to 2, so a better suggestion would be Route 27.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jcn on December 05, 2020, 01:06:43 PM
On a completely different note from what's been discussed, here's something interesting I've noticed when it comes to the DE state route system.  Usually, the odd numbered routes are north-south, and the even numbered routes are east-west similarly to the Interstate and US Highway systems with the exception of routes that are continuations of PA and MD state routes like route 52 and route 273 for instance.  One exception I notice is route 72 which is a north-south route despite the fact it's an even number, and it doesn't continue as a PA or MD state route.  Does anyone know why that's the case there?  What confuses me even more is that DE doesn't have a route 73, so why couldn't they have made this route 73 given that it's a north-south route?
"DE 72 was designated by 1942 to run from DE 2 (Main Street) in Newark north to DE 7, following Chapel Street and Paper Mill Road."
If Wiki is accurate, it was numbered to connect 7 to 2, so a better suggestion would be Route 27.

So with that being said, why route 72 as opposed to route 27, since Delaware doesn't have a route 27 either.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 05, 2020, 01:54:20 PM
On a completely different note from what's been discussed, here's something interesting I've noticed when it comes to the DE state route system.  Usually, the odd numbered routes are north-south, and the even numbered routes are east-west similarly to the Interstate and US Highway systems with the exception of routes that are continuations of PA and MD state routes like route 52 and route 273 for instance.  One exception I notice is route 72 which is a north-south route despite the fact it's an even number, and it doesn't continue as a PA or MD state route.  Does anyone know why that's the case there?  What confuses me even more is that DE doesn't have a route 73, so why couldn't they have made this route 73 given that it's a north-south route?
"DE 72 was designated by 1942 to run from DE 2 (Main Street) in Newark north to DE 7, following Chapel Street and Paper Mill Road."
If Wiki is accurate, it was numbered to connect 7 to 2, so a better suggestion would be Route 27.

So with that being said, why route 72 as opposed to route 27, since Delaware doesn't have a route 27 either.

I don't think Delaware's been remotely concerned with any semblance of a grid or numbering scheme since they laid the initial state highway system out in the '20s, the state is just too small for that to practically matter.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ipeters61 on December 12, 2020, 06:37:46 PM
On a completely different note from what's been discussed, here's something interesting I've noticed when it comes to the DE state route system.  Usually, the odd numbered routes are north-south, and the even numbered routes are east-west similarly to the Interstate and US Highway systems with the exception of routes that are continuations of PA and MD state routes like route 52 and route 273 for instance.  One exception I notice is route 72 which is a north-south route despite the fact it's an even number, and it doesn't continue as a PA or MD state route.  Does anyone know why that's the case there?  What confuses me even more is that DE doesn't have a route 73, so why couldn't they have made this route 73 given that it's a north-south route?
"DE 72 was designated by 1942 to run from DE 2 (Main Street) in Newark north to DE 7, following Chapel Street and Paper Mill Road."
If Wiki is accurate, it was numbered to connect 7 to 2, so a better suggestion would be Route 27.
My thought was that, because DE has DE-52, DE-62, DE-72, DE-82, and DE-92 all running in the northern part of the state, they were numbered to imply relation to DE-2.  But I can't think of any other roads in DE that work like that (and what gives with DE-42?).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on December 14, 2020, 10:22:38 AM
On a completely different note from what's been discussed, here's something interesting I've noticed when it comes to the DE state route system.  Usually, the odd numbered routes are north-south, and the even numbered routes are east-west similarly to the Interstate and US Highway systems with the exception of routes that are continuations of PA and MD state routes like route 52 and route 273 for instance.  One exception I notice is route 72 which is a north-south route despite the fact it's an even number, and it doesn't continue as a PA or MD state route.  Does anyone know why that's the case there?  What confuses me even more is that DE doesn't have a route 73, so why couldn't they have made this route 73 given that it's a north-south route?
"DE 72 was designated by 1942 to run from DE 2 (Main Street) in Newark north to DE 7, following Chapel Street and Paper Mill Road."
If Wiki is accurate, it was numbered to connect 7 to 2, so a better suggestion would be Route 27.
My thought was that, because DE has DE-52, DE-62, DE-72, DE-82, and DE-92 all running in the northern part of the state, they were numbered to imply relation to DE-2.  But I can't think of any other roads in DE that work like that (and what gives with DE-42?).

What about DE 24, DE 44, and DE 54, which are nowhere near DE 4?  :)

And DE 16, DE 26, and DE 36, which are nowhere near DE 6?  :biggrin:

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jemacedo9 on December 14, 2020, 11:15:26 AM
On a completely different note from what's been discussed, here's something interesting I've noticed when it comes to the DE state route system.  Usually, the odd numbered routes are north-south, and the even numbered routes are east-west similarly to the Interstate and US Highway systems with the exception of routes that are continuations of PA and MD state routes like route 52 and route 273 for instance.  One exception I notice is route 72 which is a north-south route despite the fact it's an even number, and it doesn't continue as a PA or MD state route.  Does anyone know why that's the case there?  What confuses me even more is that DE doesn't have a route 73, so why couldn't they have made this route 73 given that it's a north-south route?
"DE 72 was designated by 1942 to run from DE 2 (Main Street) in Newark north to DE 7, following Chapel Street and Paper Mill Road."
If Wiki is accurate, it was numbered to connect 7 to 2, so a better suggestion would be Route 27.
My thought was that, because DE has DE-52, DE-62, DE-72, DE-82, and DE-92 all running in the northern part of the state, they were numbered to imply relation to DE-2.  But I can't think of any other roads in DE that work like that (and what gives with DE-42?).

What about DE 24, DE 44, and DE 54, which are nowhere near DE 4?  :)

And DE 16, DE 26, and DE 36, which are nowhere near DE 6?  :biggrin:

ixnay

DE 52 and DE 82 are related to PA 52 and PA 82. 
I figured that DE 62, DE 72, and DE 92 are all continuing a New Castle County "pattern" of routes ending in 2 starting with DE 52.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: kernals12 on December 27, 2020, 07:58:07 PM
The DelDOT used Ultra High Performance Concrete for the first time in September for a deck overlay on the Delaware Memorial Bridge
https://delawarebusinessnow.com/2020/09/6-2-million-project-to-test-new-form-of-concrete-paving-on-delaware-memorial-bridge/
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 27, 2020, 10:03:47 PM
I drove US 13 NB/US 40 EB yesterday to get onto I-295 in New Castle and saw that there has recently been a bus lane/right-turn only lane added from US 202/DE 141 to I-295.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 31, 2020, 05:46:13 PM
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/wdel.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/2c/82c1010c-4b8f-11eb-b10b-7ba64d7b73fd/5fee0d887285b.image.jpg?resize=640%2C480)

The rebuilt 2nd Street ramp to I-95 SB in Wilmington opened yesterday according to WDEL (https://www.wdel.com/news/new-2nd-street-on-ramp-opens-in-wilmington/article_79d83196-4b8f-11eb-9c68-bf7ca7ac6023.html).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on December 31, 2020, 05:56:34 PM
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/wdel.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/2c/82c1010c-4b8f-11eb-b10b-7ba64d7b73fd/5fee0d887285b.image.jpg?resize=640%2C480)

The rebuilt 2nd Street ramp to I-95 SB in Wilmington opened yesterday according to WDEL (https://www.wdel.com/news/new-2nd-street-on-ramp-opens-in-wilmington/article_79d83196-4b8f-11eb-9c68-bf7ca7ac6023.html).
What a sexy ramp. Good job Deldot.

Will we see an improvement in traffic merging? Lets hope so.


Happy new year AARoads. Love yall


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 14, 2021, 05:28:19 PM
Hopefully the screen door factory is on their list of places to visit...

https://www.wdel.com/news/lets-make-a-deal-to-delaware/article_54d8cfc8-5615-11eb-9a74-afba99aa9e21.html#utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Roadsguy on January 14, 2021, 08:43:03 PM
What a sexy ramp.

I'll take "sentences no one outside this forum would say in a million years" for 500, Alex.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 17, 2021, 07:24:29 PM
A project was recently bid by DelDOT for the I-95/DE 273 Interchange (http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicFinalBidtabDisplay&id=T200800713) that includes changes on DE 273 WB and the I-95 off-ramps there.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: abqtraveler on January 31, 2021, 09:28:34 PM
Delaware is one of the remaining states that still numbers their exits sequentially (excluding, DE-1 which has kilometer-based exits, and US-301 (I think) is mile-based). Has the state announced any sort of plan to convert I-95, I-295 and I-495 to mileage-based exits?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jp the roadgeek on January 31, 2021, 11:54:13 PM
Delaware is one of the remaining states that still numbers their exits sequentially (excluding, DE-1 which has kilometer-based exits, and US-301 (I think) is mile-based). Has the state announced any sort of plan to convert I-95, I-295 and I-495 to mileage-based exits?

US 301 is indeed mileage based.  You would think DelDOT could do it relatively quickly, but I haven't heard anything (and in the case of 295, it would be adding numbers).  If you did, it wouldn't be too hard:

I-95:

2 (A/B SB): DE 896
6 (A/B NB): DE 273
8 A/B: DE 1/DE 7
11 A/B: US 202 SOUTH/DE 141
12A (12 SB): I-295 NORTH
12B (NB ONLY): I-495 NORTH
14 (NB ONLY): DE 4
15A (SB ONLY): DE 4/DE 9
15 (NB) / 15B/C (SB) : DE 52
17: US 202 NORTH/DE 202 SOUTH
19: DE 3
21 (NB ONLY): Harvey Rd
23: DE 92 (NB; SB access via I-495) / I-495 SOUTH (SB). 

I-295:

1A (SB ONLY): DE 141 NORTH
1B (SB ONLY): I-95 NORTH
1C (SB ONLY): I-495 NORTH
2 A/B: US 13/US 40 WEST
2C (NB ONLY): Landers Lane
3 A/B: DE 9

I-495:

0 (SB ONLY): I-295 NORTH
1 (SB ONLY): DE 141
2: US 13 BUS (NB)/US 13 (SB)
3: DE 9A
4: 12th St
6 (A/B SB): US 13/DE 3
11 (A SB): US 13 (TO DE 92 NB)
11B (SB ONLY): DE 92
 

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: abqtraveler on February 01, 2021, 01:05:01 PM
Delaware is one of the remaining states that still numbers their exits sequentially (excluding, DE-1 which has kilometer-based exits, and US-301 (I think) is mile-based). Has the state announced any sort of plan to convert I-95, I-295 and I-495 to mileage-based exits?

US 301 is indeed mileage based.  You would think DelDOT could do it relatively quickly, but I haven't heard anything (and in the case of 295, it would be adding numbers).  If you did, it wouldn't be too hard:

I-95:

2 (A/B SB): DE 896
6 (A/B NB): DE 273
8 A/B: DE 1/DE 7
11 A/B: US 202 SOUTH/DE 141
12A (12 SB): I-295 NORTH
12B (NB ONLY): I-495 NORTH
14 (NB ONLY): DE 4
15A (SB ONLY): DE 4/DE 9
15 (NB) / 15B/C (SB) : DE 52
17: US 202 NORTH/DE 202 SOUTH
19: DE 3
21 (NB ONLY): Harvey Rd
23: DE 92 (NB; SB access via I-495) / I-495 SOUTH (SB). 

I-295:

1A (SB ONLY): DE 141 NORTH
1B (SB ONLY): I-95 NORTH
1C (SB ONLY): I-495 NORTH
2 A/B: US 13/US 40 WEST
2C (NB ONLY): Landers Lane
3 A/B: DE 9

I-495:

0 (SB ONLY): I-295 NORTH
1 (SB ONLY): DE 141
2: US 13 BUS (NB)/US 13 (SB)
3: DE 9A
4: 12th St
6 (A/B SB): US 13/DE 3
11 (A SB): US 13 (TO DE 92 NB)
11B (SB ONLY): DE 92

Although the more I think about this, Delaware may be able to get away with keeping its sequential numbering on the Delaware Turnpike section of I-95 since that stretch is financed and maintained with toll revenues, not federal funding. It's the same reason why the New Jersey Turnpike still retains sequential exit numbering and non-standard highway signage.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on February 03, 2021, 07:42:15 PM
Delaware is one of the remaining states that still numbers their exits sequentially (excluding, DE-1 which has kilometer-based exits, and US-301 (I think) is mile-based). Has the state announced any sort of plan to convert I-95, I-295 and I-495 to mileage-based exits?

US 301 is indeed mileage based.  You would think DelDOT could do it relatively quickly, but I haven't heard anything (and in the case of 295, it would be adding numbers).  If you did, it wouldn't be too hard:

I-95:

2 (A/B SB): DE 896
6 (A/B NB): DE 273
8 A/B: DE 1/DE 7
11 A/B: US 202 SOUTH/DE 141
12A (12 SB): I-295 NORTH
12B (NB ONLY): I-495 NORTH
14 (NB ONLY): DE 4
15A (SB ONLY): DE 4/DE 9
15 (NB) / 15B/C (SB) : DE 52
17: US 202 NORTH/DE 202 SOUTH
19: DE 3
21 (NB ONLY): Harvey Rd
23: DE 92 (NB; SB access via I-495) / I-495 SOUTH (SB). 

I-295:

1A (SB ONLY): DE 141 NORTH
1B (SB ONLY): I-95 NORTH
1C (SB ONLY): I-495 NORTH
2 A/B: US 13/US 40 WEST
2C (NB ONLY): Landers Lane
3 A/B: DE 9

I-495:

0 (SB ONLY): I-295 NORTH
1 (SB ONLY): DE 141
2: US 13 BUS (NB)/US 13 (SB)
3: DE 9A
4: 12th St
6 (A/B SB): US 13/DE 3
11 (A SB): US 13 (TO DE 92 NB)
11B (SB ONLY): DE 92

Although the more I think about this, Delaware may be able to get away with keeping its sequential numbering on the Delaware Turnpike section of I-95 since that stretch is financed and maintained with toll revenues, not federal funding. It's the same reason why the New Jersey Turnpike still retains sequential exit numbering and non-standard highway signage.
While technically true, that's where the similarity ends.  Whereas the entire Delaware Turnpike is I-95; the entire length of the NJ Turnpike is not. 

The former has no real challenges with converting all its interchanges while the latter one could debate which mileage the I-95 portion of the NJ Turnpike north of Exit 6 will take; the shorter I-95 mileage (Exit 6 falls coincidentally along I-95's projected Mile Marker 6) or the NJ Turnpike's mileage (Exit 6 is at/near the Turnpike's Mile Marker 51).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 03, 2021, 10:53:48 PM

I-95:

2 (A/B SB): DE 896
6 (A/B NB): DE 273
8 A/B: DE 1/DE 7
11 A/B: US 202 SOUTH/DE 141
12A (12 SB): I-295 NORTH
12B (NB ONLY): I-495 NORTH

14 (NB ONLY): DE 4
15A (SB ONLY): DE 4/DE 9
15 (NB) / 15B/C (SB) : DE 52
17: US 202 NORTH/DE 202 SOUTH
19: DE 3
21 (NB ONLY): Harvey Rd
23: DE 92 (NB; SB access via I-495) / I-495 SOUTH (SB). 

Something ain't right about the suggested Exit numbers on 95 for 295 and 495.  The 2 interchanges are 1.4 miles apart, so they shouldn't both be associated with Interchange 12.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 05, 2021, 04:54:27 PM
Virtual public meetings are scheduled for the I-95/DE 896 Interchange (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=14652) and the DE 24 Corridor (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=14650) on February 16th and 25th respectively.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jmacswimmer on February 05, 2021, 05:33:15 PM
Virtual public meetings are scheduled for the I-95/DE 896 Interchange (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=14652) and the DE 24 Corridor (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=14650) on February 16th and 25th respectively.

I wonder what DelDOT's assessment is of the stopgap improvements at 95/896 in terms of safety/congestion.  I knew they reduced 95 NB to 3 lanes passing thru exit 1 (with the onramp from 896 NB becoming the 4th lane), but didn't realize until this past weekend that 896 NB was reduced to 1 lane between the ramp to 95 NB and the ramp from 95 SB as well.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on February 07, 2021, 12:45:01 PM

I-95:

2 (A/B SB): DE 896
6 (A/B NB): DE 273
8 A/B: DE 1/DE 7
11 A/B: US 202 SOUTH/DE 141
12A (12 SB): I-295 NORTH
12B (NB ONLY): I-495 NORTH

14 (NB ONLY): DE 4
15A (SB ONLY): DE 4/DE 9
15 (NB) / 15B/C (SB) : DE 52
17: US 202 NORTH/DE 202 SOUTH
19: DE 3
21 (NB ONLY): Harvey Rd
23: DE 92 (NB; SB access via I-495) / I-495 SOUTH (SB). 

Something ain't right about the suggested Exit numbers on 95 for 295 and 495.  The 2 interchanges are 1.4 miles apart, so they shouldn't both be associated with Interchange 12.
Agreed.

FWIW:
I-95 northbound's MM 12.0 just past the I-495 northbound ramp (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7072341,-75.5878349,3a,75y,56.26h,81.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCfHd_cpXz9D9HWcipuCsSA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Such being the case, assigning the ramp for I-495 North as Exit 12 would be valid.

Last visible I-95 northbound MM 10.3 marker prior to the I-295 split (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6970921,-75.6138396,3a,75y,97.56h,66.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soAuni7Xd0eeWz_65meA-Bg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Wouldn't such be Exit 10 off I-95?

I-295 northbound's MM 0.0 at the split, prior to the DE 141 interchange (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6982084,-75.6101657,3a,75y,97.56h,66.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scOMLVrMR3p0mApYWDRWOTQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Wouldn't the DE 141 be I-295 northbound's Exits 1 A-B instead of I-95's numbering (sequential and/or mile-marker based)?  Such wouldn't be the first time DE has had different exit numbers for the same interchange. 

Case & point:
The ramp for I-495 southbound off I-95 southbound is Exit 11 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8231978,-75.4417424,3a,75y,247.79h,91.07t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2EpIMe_Tmz7YCv1K6PmcZg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)  Note: the sign at the actual split has no exit tab (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8200823,-75.4486454,3a,75y,226.77h,89.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFGp840vTJoKK0qruI4_XJA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
The southbound ramp for DE 92 is Exit 6 off I-495 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8178006,-75.452,3a,75y,216.86h,99.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJuEtd2RdBJ4xJ5ic6OJc9g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) while the I-95 northbound ramp at the same interchange for DE 92 is Exit 11 off I-95 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8120122,-75.4569021,3a,75y,60.26h,77.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1st327C1gCyWkA_lH60vvIFw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

Given the above; there should be some consistency with the interchange numbering with respect to which corridor.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: abqtraveler on February 08, 2021, 05:22:51 PM
Delaware is one of the remaining states that still numbers their exits sequentially (excluding, DE-1 which has kilometer-based exits, and US-301 (I think) is mile-based). Has the state announced any sort of plan to convert I-95, I-295 and I-495 to mileage-based exits?

US 301 is indeed mileage based.  You would think DelDOT could do it relatively quickly, but I haven't heard anything (and in the case of 295, it would be adding numbers).  If you did, it wouldn't be too hard:

I-95:

2 (A/B SB): DE 896
6 (A/B NB): DE 273
8 A/B: DE 1/DE 7
11 A/B: US 202 SOUTH/DE 141
12A (12 SB): I-295 NORTH
12B (NB ONLY): I-495 NORTH
14 (NB ONLY): DE 4
15A (SB ONLY): DE 4/DE 9
15 (NB) / 15B/C (SB) : DE 52
17: US 202 NORTH/DE 202 SOUTH
19: DE 3
21 (NB ONLY): Harvey Rd
23: DE 92 (NB; SB access via I-495) / I-495 SOUTH (SB). 

I-295:

1A (SB ONLY): DE 141 NORTH
1B (SB ONLY): I-95 NORTH
1C (SB ONLY): I-495 NORTH
2 A/B: US 13/US 40 WEST
2C (NB ONLY): Landers Lane
3 A/B: DE 9

I-495:

0 (SB ONLY): I-295 NORTH
1 (SB ONLY): DE 141
2: US 13 BUS (NB)/US 13 (SB)
3: DE 9A
4: 12th St
6 (A/B SB): US 13/DE 3
11 (A SB): US 13 (TO DE 92 NB)
11B (SB ONLY): DE 92

Although the more I think about this, Delaware may be able to get away with keeping its sequential numbering on the Delaware Turnpike section of I-95 since that stretch is financed and maintained with toll revenues, not federal funding. It's the same reason why the New Jersey Turnpike still retains sequential exit numbering and non-standard highway signage.
While technically true, that's where the similarity ends.  Whereas the entire Delaware Turnpike is I-95; the entire length of the NJ Turnpike is not. 

The former has no real challenges with converting all its interchanges while the latter one could debate which mileage the I-95 portion of the NJ Turnpike north of Exit 6 will take; the shorter I-95 mileage (Exit 6 falls coincidentally along I-95's projected Mile Marker 6) or the NJ Turnpike's mileage (Exit 6 is at/near the Turnpike's Mile Marker 51).

And the other thought I had that when Delaware gets around to converting to mile-based exit numbers, would they convert DE-1 from kilometer-based to mile-based as well? I recall that DE-1 was built in the 1990s at a time when there was a big push for the US to adopt the metric system, an initiative that ultimately fizzled out.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jp the roadgeek on February 08, 2021, 08:14:54 PM
Well, since, we're at it, here is what I figure DE 1 would look like if converted to miles (including some new exits in the Milford area)

Exit 39: DE 30
Exit 40 (NB ONLY): DE 1 BUS NORTH
Exit 41: DE 36
Exit 42: DE 14 WEST
Exit 44 (SB ONLY): US 113/DE 1 BUS SOUTH
Exit 46: Thompsonville Rd
Exit 48: Frederica Rd
Exit 50: DE 12 WEST
Exit 56 (A NB): DE 9 NORTH
Exit 56B (NB ONLY): Dover AFB Commercial Gate
Exit 57: Dover AFB Main/Visitors Gate
Exit 58 (NB ONLY): DE 10 WEST
Exit 59 (SB ONLY): TO DE 10/Dover AFB North Gate
Exit 60 (SB ONLY): TO US 13
Exit 61 (SB ONLY): DE 8
Exit 65: US 13 TO DE 8
Exit 71: US 13 (TO DE 6/DE 300 NB)
Exit 75 (A/B SB): US 13 (TO DE 6/DE 300 SB A)
Exit 85: DE 299 TO US 13
Exit 89: US 13/DE 896 (TO US 301 SOUTH NB)
Exit 90 (SB ONLY): US 301 SOUTH
Exit 92 (SB ONLY): US 13
Exit 94: DE 72 TO DE 7 (NB) // US 13 SOUTH/DE 72 (SB)
Exit 97A (SB ONLY): DE 71
Exit 97 (B SB): US 13 NORTH
Exit 99: US 40
Exit 100: DE 273
Exit 101: DE 7 SOUTH
Exit 102A (NB ONLY): I-95 NORTH (Flyover)
Exit 102 B/C: I-95
Exit 103: DE 58

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PurdueBill on February 10, 2021, 01:29:55 PM
And the other thought I had that when Delaware gets around to converting to mile-based exit numbers, would they convert DE-1 from kilometer-based to mile-based as well? I recall that DE-1 was built in the 1990s at a time when there was a big push for the US to adopt the metric system, an initiative that ultimately fizzled out.

For the northernmost exits, such would be a return to mile-based numbers.  I remember when starting at UD seeing exits 96-101 at the northern end, with Mall Road being 100 and I-95 being 101.  I wonder if they would get the same numbers today, or if it matters.  With changes in routing based on the more recently constructed sections, I could see things being changed by 1 or so.

Delaware has to be the only place with mileage (US 301), consecutive (I-95, 495), and km-based (DE 1) exit numbers simultaneously.  Route 141 seems to have numbers that are close enough already for mileage; good enough to stay as they are. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on February 10, 2021, 11:55:36 PM
And the other thought I had that when Delaware gets around to converting to mile-based exit numbers, would they convert DE-1 from kilometer-based to mile-based as well? I recall that DE-1 was built in the 1990s at a time when there was a big push for the US to adopt the metric system, an initiative that ultimately fizzled out.

For the northernmost exits, such would be a return to mile-based numbers.  I remember when starting at UD seeing exits 96-101 at the northern end, with Mall Road being 100 and I-95 being 101.  I wonder if they would get the same numbers today, or if it matters.  With changes in routing based on the more recently constructed sections, I could see things being changed by 1 or so.

Delaware has to be the only place with mileage (US 301), consecutive (I-95, 495), and km-based (DE 1) exit numbers simultaneously.  Route 141 seems to have numbers that are close enough already for mileage; good enough to stay as they are. 
Meanwhile, AZ has km, normal miles, and I-17's numbers that don't start anywhere near zero.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jp the roadgeek on February 11, 2021, 02:18:41 AM
[Route 141 seems to have numbers that are close enough already for mileage; good enough to stay as they are.

Pretty much, with some minor nitpicks. The US 13/US 40, I-295, and I-95 exits are perfectly accurate, as is DE 4 as Exit 4A (except that it would be 4A in both directions).  The South James St/Old Airport Rd Southbound exit would change from 4B to 3C, DE 62 would change from 5 to 4B, and the DE 2 northbound exits would be 5A and 5B instead of 6A and 6B.  I also would give numbers to a pair of unnumbered interchanges: the DE 52 interchanges would be Exit 8, and the US/DE 202 interchanges would be Exit 11.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on February 11, 2021, 07:38:19 AM
Tangential note: States that have been mile-based for decades tend to have more unposted interchanges or even routes, because there's no need to fear the FHWA. US 1/9, NJ 3, NJ 4, NJ 18 through New Brunswick, NJ 208, NJ 495... I could add so many more stretches to this.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 17, 2021, 05:12:37 PM
Virtual public meetings are scheduled for the I-95/DE 896 Interchange (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=14652) and the DE 24 Corridor (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=14650) on February 16th and 25th respectively.

The latest documents for the I-95/DE 896 Interchange can be found here (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201609002#project-details2).

Also DelDOT is having an upcoming virtual workshop for the Coastal Corridors Transportation Study (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=14670).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: TheGrassGuy on February 20, 2021, 08:08:04 AM
Please correct me if I'm wrong about this, but the University of Delaware in Newark seems to be the only location in Delaware with "See Inside" images by Google (as opposed to the recently introduced custom imagery that is usually of lower quality).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jp the roadgeek on February 20, 2021, 09:40:45 PM
Tangential note: States that have been mile-based for decades tend to have more unposted interchanges or even routes, because there's no need to fear the FHWA. US 1/9, NJ 3, NJ 4, NJ 18 through New Brunswick, NJ 208, NJ 495... I could add so many more stretches to this.
But what is interesting is that some states have added numbers to tiny little short stretches of freeway that previously did not have them.  CT added numbers to SR 796 (the Milford Connector), CT 349 and CT 184, and will add numbers to CT 3, CT 17 and CT 82. All of these are freeways (in the case of CT 17, multiple sections thereof),  that are less than 3 miles in length and/or have 1 or 2 exits.  All but SR 796 were/will be  the result of mileage based conversion (CT 72 was another example 20 years ago, and will be changing again).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on February 21, 2021, 12:21:38 AM
Tangential note: States that have been mile-based for decades tend to have more unposted interchanges or even routes, because there's no need to fear the FHWA. US 1/9, NJ 3, NJ 4, NJ 18 through New Brunswick, NJ 208, NJ 495... I could add so many more stretches to this.
But what is interesting is that some states have added numbers to tiny little short stretches of freeway that previously did not have them.  CT added numbers to SR 796 (the Milford Connector), CT 349 and CT 184, and will add numbers to CT 3, CT 17 and CT 82. All of these are freeways (in the case of CT 17, multiple sections thereof),  that are less than 3 miles in length and/or have 1 or 2 exits.  All but SR 796 were/will be  the result of mileage based conversion (CT 72 was another example 20 years ago, and will be changing again).
Most curious. I'll have to hit up Milford again and 3 once it's converted. It's their choice though.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 22, 2021, 09:35:37 AM
There will be a virtual information session (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=14690) updating the status of I-95 in Wilmington this upcoming Wednesday.

Also there is also an online public workshop ongoing for the US 13 bridges over the Nanticoke River in Seaford (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201807602).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 25, 2021, 05:32:57 PM
Virtual public meetings are scheduled for the I-95/DE 896 Interchange (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=14652) and the DE 24 Corridor (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=14650) on February 16th and 25th respectively.

I just want to note that it was mentioned at the DE 24 virtual meeting that the North Millsboro Bypass  (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201912701#project-details1)is currently planned to start construction in 2023.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on March 03, 2021, 01:39:59 PM
Wrapping up site updates for Delaware Highways with December 2020 photos this week, a few things I noticed that were new around the state:

A begin shield for SR 14 (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/de-014/) was posted at the grade separated intersection with SR 1 in Milford.

(https://www.aaroads.com/de/014/de-014-w-at-de-001-2.jpg)

What should be an end shield eastbound instead is a confirming marker:

(https://www.aaroads.com/de/014/de-014-e-at-de-001-2.jpg)

The parclo interchange is a nice addition and I was surprised that it was already completed.

An end sign was added for SR 1 north (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/de-001-north-wilmington/) at the Road A (SR 7) overpass by Christiana Mall:

(https://www.aaroads.com/de/001/de-001-n-exit-165-2.jpg)

The ground level signs for SR 3 (Marsh Road) on I-95 northbound (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/i-095-north-de/) were recently replaced:

(https://www.aaroads.com/de/095/i-095-n-exit-009-3.jpg)

Per a Facebook post I saw, apparently a brown and white overhead for the John F. Kennedy Memorial Highway was added along I-95 southbound while I was in Delaware. Did not get around to checking that out.

And I was wondering how Maryland handled the transition of U.S. 301 north into a toll road. They posted this set of signs north of MD 313:

(https://www.aaroads.com/md/301/us-301-n-at-jacobs-cr.jpg)

But nothing else with an exception of a truck weigh restriction sign (https://www.aaroads.com/md/301/us-301-n-at-md-299-1.jpg) indicating that truckers should stay on U.S. 301.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: odditude on March 03, 2021, 02:09:50 PM
The ground level signs for SR 3 (Marsh Road) on I-95 northbound (https://www.aaroads.com/guides/i-095-north-de/) were recently replaced:
ah, yes, Marsh Rd
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on March 03, 2021, 04:34:11 PM
I was wondering how Maryland handled the transition of U.S. 301 north into a toll road. They posted this set of signs north of MD 313:

(https://www.aaroads.com/md/301/us-301-n-at-jacobs-cr.jpg)

But nothing else with an exception of a truck weigh restriction sign (https://www.aaroads.com/md/301/us-301-n-at-md-299-1.jpg) indicating that truckers should stay on U.S. 301.

That truck weight sign comes as you head uphill after crossing the Sassafras river, just before you come to Sassafras Rd./MD 299.

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on March 03, 2021, 08:11:51 PM
Looks like the I-95 construction zone is having a rough first week.  I have periodically checked traffic reports and there is at least one wreck a day.  Today, one blocked the NB ramp into downtown (the car literally wedged itself between the barriers).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 03, 2021, 10:34:00 PM
Looks like the I-95 construction zone is having a rough first week.  I have periodically checked traffic reports and there is at least one wreck a day.  Today, one blocked the NB ramp into downtown (the car literally wedged itself between the barriers).
Interesting that people are having such a big issue. Philly has I-95 by the stadium’s & The 1 going towards Roosevelt Blvd in the same fashion & people manage it well.

I wonder if the people crashing aren’t used to tight road conditions or used to city Roads/Highways.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on March 03, 2021, 11:53:25 PM
Looks like the I-95 construction zone is having a rough first week.  I have periodically checked traffic reports and there is at least one wreck a day.  Today, one blocked the NB ramp into downtown (the car literally wedged itself between the barriers).
That always happens with new work zones. Give it time.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jemacedo9 on March 04, 2021, 08:38:06 AM
Looks like the I-95 construction zone is having a rough first week.  I have periodically checked traffic reports and there is at least one wreck a day.  Today, one blocked the NB ramp into downtown (the car literally wedged itself between the barriers).

DE has tried to encourage as many people as possible to use I-495 as an alternate...but that doesn't work for people using US 202...there are not really any good alternatives.  DE 141 isn't too bad except for the road work at the I-95 interchange as well.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 04, 2021, 01:32:15 PM
A project was recently bid by DelDOT for the I-95/DE 273 Interchange (http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicFinalBidtabDisplay&id=T200800713) that includes changes on DE 273 WB and the I-95 off-ramps there.

This project will begin on March 15th. (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8513)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 04, 2021, 11:36:11 PM
A project was recently bid by DelDOT for the I-95/DE 273 Interchange (http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicFinalBidtabDisplay&id=T200800713) that includes changes on DE 273 WB and the I-95 off-ramps there.

This project will begin on March 15th. (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8513)

General plans for this project here. (https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=3912421&iProjectObjectID=1475)
I kinda wish they'd take it all the way and give the realigned I-95 SB ramp to 273 WB a third right turn lane at the new signal to link directly to the turn lane for Harmony Road.

EDIT: I just looked at the bid tabs document again, whose brilliant idea was it to flip it landscape so you could only fit like two or three table entries onto each page???
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on March 05, 2021, 12:51:22 AM
A project was recently bid by DelDOT for the I-95/DE 273 Interchange (http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicFinalBidtabDisplay&id=T200800713) that includes changes on DE 273 WB and the I-95 off-ramps there.

This project will begin on March 15th. (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8513)

General plans for this project here. (https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=3912421&iProjectObjectID=1475)
I kinda wish they'd take it all the way and give the realigned I-95 SB ramp to 273 WB a third right turn lane at the new signal to link directly to the turn lane for Harmony Road.

EDIT: I just looked at the bid tabs document again, whose brilliant idea was it to flip it landscape so you could only fit like two or three table entries onto each page???
Im glad they are doing this temporary fix it will resolve that merge for now.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 07, 2021, 02:27:02 PM
Quote
An end sign was added for SR 1 north at the Road A (SR 7) overpass by Christiana Mall

I wanted to note that I drove DE 7 in the area last night and the Road A section has now been fully opened to four lanes.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on March 16, 2021, 08:06:05 PM
Additional I-95 construction project coming down the road (https://www.wdel.com/news/additional-i-95-construction-project-coming-down-the-road/article_cd174f58-8353-11eb-93e0-6316312decf8.html)

Quote
While many motorists eyes have been focused on the Restore the Corridor project through downtown Wilmington, contractors will now be starting up a more than year long project reconfiguring the I-95/Route 273 interchange.

On Monday night, March 15, 2021, crews started preliminary work setting up barrier walls and applying new surface striping which will continue during overnight hours this week.

The multi-phase project will ultimately result in a new configuration of several ramps including the I-95 southbound ramp to westbound Route 273 approaching Harmony Road.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/i-095-de-273-phase-2a.jpg)

Granted that weaving traffic pattern has been a problem for 30 plus years, but another free flow movement bites the dust.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 18, 2021, 10:48:34 AM
From DelDOT on the DE 24 WB/DE 30 SB right-turn lane at US 113:  Intersection Improvements on Route 24/Millsboro Highway at US 113 (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8529)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on March 19, 2021, 09:24:28 PM
DelDOT sounding out input on plans for DE 16 and 404...

https://www.coastalpoint.com/news/sussexcounty/deldot-wants-public-s-input-on-traffic-on-routes-404-16/article_472a15ba-873b-11eb-acee-bf910041e412.html

https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/404/index.shtml

ixnay

Fixed Link.  -Mark
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Mergingtraffic on March 21, 2021, 02:20:15 PM
I drove on I-295 from the Del Mar Bridge and noticed the work is basically done but it still goes down to two lanes before I-95.  Has that project helped at all?  I'm like what's the point if it goes down to two lanes before I-95 anyway?!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 22, 2021, 12:37:26 AM
I drove on I-295 from the Del Mar Bridge and noticed the work is basically done but it still goes down to two lanes before I-95.  Has that project helped at all?  I'm like what's the point if it goes down to two lanes before I-95 anyway?!

Certainly has. It separated the 141 traffic into its own lane.  It added a lane for 295 at the 13/40 exit.

It's still going to back up on the busiest traffic periods, but more than often 95 was already backed up from 95 and 495 traffic. Adding a 3rd lane then ending that lane wouldn't help much when 95 is already jammed.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on March 22, 2021, 07:29:59 AM
Few things:

1) I really hope the current construction at the junction of 95/295 south they are adding another lane to help with the merge.
Seems like an awful lot of new pavement just to add a shoulder lane.

2) Prior to 2017 when 295 south of the DEMB was under construction, how many lanes was 295 then vs now?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 24, 2021, 10:40:28 AM
A project was recently bid by DelDOT for the I-95/DE 273 Interchange (http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicFinalBidtabDisplay&id=T200800713) that includes changes on DE 273 WB and the I-95 off-ramps there.

This project will begin on March 15th. (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8513)

TRAFFIC ALERT - Closure of Exit 3B/I-95 Northbound to Route 273 Westbound for Reconstruction (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8533)

EDIT (4-7-2021):  The widening of DE 299 between Downtown Middletown and DE 1 has been awarded. (http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicFinalBidtabDisplay&id=T201012001)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on April 19, 2021, 11:28:58 AM
A park over the I-95 trench in Wilmington?

https://www.wdel.com/news/city-council-throws-support-behind-proposed-park-over-i-95-looking-for-federal-help/article_bc45a77a-a0bc-11eb-adc2-07d2e7a04ed2.html

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: The Ghostbuster on April 19, 2021, 12:40:39 PM
If building a park over Interstate 95 would somewhat eliminate the "barrier" feeling the Interstate portrays, I would say go for it.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on April 19, 2021, 01:03:44 PM
A cap over the interstate would be fantastic for those neighborhoods, I don't see it becoming a national park though. Their only referred precedent is the I-395 tunnel under the National Mall in DC, a completely unrelated set of circumstances. Hopefully the push for that pipe dream doesn't become a detriment to getting the project built in the first place.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mrsman on April 20, 2021, 08:13:23 AM
A cap over the interstate would be fantastic for those neighborhoods, I don't see it becoming a national park though. Their only referred precedent is the I-395 tunnel under the National Mall in DC, a completely unrelated set of circumstances. Hopefully the push for that pipe dream doesn't become a detriment to getting the project built in the first place.

Agreed.  A city park in Wilmington does not serve a national purpose.  Perhaps it can still qualify for some sort of federal funding (maybe DOT or Interior or something) but making it a national park is overboard.

I do have to say that Wilmington does make good use of the highway ROW now.  At least with the viaduct section, it does provide extra parking (which is common, many highway viaducts all over the country do that) and one section even has basketball courts under the highway.  A really good use of the space.  (I don't believe I've seen that anywhere else, but some quick internet research has found that it also exists under I-280 in San Francisco near Mission Creek Park and under I-695 in DC near Garfield Park).

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7433928,-75.5604444,3a,75y,266.72h,81.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7gDhB7fUfUE974gujl6Ieg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

But checking out the GSV's, the ones in Wilmington are far more "airy" than the other two.  Again, a clever use of the highway space for recreation.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 21, 2021, 07:17:56 AM
DelDOT: TRAFFIC ALERT - Intersection Improvements Will Require the Closure of US 9/East Market Street
 (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8576)
This is part of the Georgetown East Gateway Project.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 22, 2021, 05:23:59 PM
DelDOT: The Delaware Bayshore Byway National Scenic Byway Designation Sign Unveiling (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8584)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Mapmikey on April 23, 2021, 10:00:49 AM
A mystery to solve...

Delaware did not assign state route numbers until the late 1930s.  The 1930 and 1932 annual reports talk about the benefit of making an effort to do that.

However, this 1924 picture (https://cdm16397.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p15323coll6/id/80589/rec/52) at the original US 13-113 split below Dover clearly shows State route No. 3 heading off to the right (with the DuPont Highway off to the left).

Annual reports back to 1917 are available at the Hathi library, but they don't mention route numbers of any kind. 

Anyone know what's happening here?

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on April 23, 2021, 11:19:22 AM
A mystery to solve...

Delaware did not assign state route numbers until the late 1930s.  The 1930 and 1932 annual reports talk about the benefit of making an effort to do that.

However, this 1924 picture (https://cdm16397.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p15323coll6/id/80589/rec/52) at the original US 13-113 split below Dover clearly shows State route No. 3 heading off to the right (with the DuPont Highway off to the left).

Annual reports back to 1917 are available at the Hathi library, but they don't mention route numbers of any kind. 

Anyone know what's happening here?

It looks like the internal reference route number for Governors Avenue / old US 13 through the entirety of Dover is 3, evidently the reference number was the same in the 1920's. I don't have an answer as to why someone was posting the reference route number as a guide in this specific location, this assembly could've been installed by Dover who likely didn't know what to sign future US 13 as.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 30, 2021, 10:53:05 AM
DelDOT sounding out input on plans for DE 16 and 404...

https://www.coastalpoint.com/news/sussexcounty/deldot-wants-public-s-input-on-traffic-on-routes-404-16/article_472a15ba-873b-11eb-acee-bf910041e412.html

https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/404/index.shtml

ixnay

Fixed Link.  -Mark

There will be workshops for the Coastal Corridors Study on May 17th (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=14851) and May 19th (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=14853).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on April 30, 2021, 09:50:42 PM
DelDOT sounding out input on plans for DE 16 and 404...

https://www.coastalpoint.com/news/sussexcounty/deldot-wants-public-s-input-on-traffic-on-routes-404-16/article_472a15ba-873b-11eb-acee-bf910041e412.html

https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/404/index.shtml

ixnay

Fixed Link.  -Mark

 :thumbsup:

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: tolbs17 on May 07, 2021, 03:31:39 PM
This was funny before when i was driving from New Jersey down to North Carolina...

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.69682,-75.5698099,3a,36.2y,283.32h,98.56t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s5qX0MlIIAVyj8IwnUlvkbA!2e0!5s20121001T000000!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 07, 2021, 04:11:33 PM
This was funny before when i was driving from New Jersey down to North Carolina...

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.69682,-75.5698099,3a,36.2y,283.32h,98.56t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s5qX0MlIIAVyj8IwnUlvkbA!2e0!5s20121001T000000!7i13312!8i6656

Funny how?

I will say this was one "improvement" that wasn't. When this interchange was rebuilt, it had a sharper curve than before. Vehicles kept flying off the ramp as they were going too fast. That arrow was installed to encourage traffic to slow down.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: tolbs17 on May 07, 2021, 07:38:18 PM
This was funny before when i was driving from New Jersey down to North Carolina...

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.69682,-75.5698099,3a,36.2y,283.32h,98.56t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s5qX0MlIIAVyj8IwnUlvkbA!2e0!5s20121001T000000!7i13312!8i6656

Funny how?

I will say this was one "improvement" that wasn't. When this interchange was rebuilt, it had a sharper curve than before. Vehicles kept flying off the ramp as they were going too fast. That arrow was installed to encourage traffic to slow down.
REDUCE SPEED NOW!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 08, 2021, 08:55:21 AM
This was funny before when i was driving from New Jersey down to North Carolina...

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.69682,-75.5698099,3a,36.2y,283.32h,98.56t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s5qX0MlIIAVyj8IwnUlvkbA!2e0!5s20121001T000000!7i13312!8i6656

Funny how?

I will say this was one "improvement" that wasn't. When this interchange was rebuilt, it had a sharper curve than before. Vehicles kept flying off the ramp as they were going too fast. That arrow was installed to encourage traffic to slow down.
REDUCE SPEED NOW!

Ah. Yeah, that sign was a result of what I mentioned. Part of the project was realigning the ramps for  US 13 North and South, but by doing so they created a more dangerous condition than what existed.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PHLBOS on May 10, 2021, 11:26:14 AM
This was funny before when i was driving from New Jersey down to North Carolina...

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.69682,-75.5698099,3a,36.2y,283.32h,98.56t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s5qX0MlIIAVyj8IwnUlvkbA!2e0!5s20121001T000000!7i13312!8i6656

Funny how?

I will say this was one "improvement" that wasn't. When this interchange was rebuilt, it had a sharper curve than before. Vehicles kept flying off the ramp as they were going too fast. That arrow was installed to encourage traffic to slow down.
REDUCE SPEED NOW!

Ah. Yeah, that sign was a result of what I mentioned. Part of the project was realigning the ramps for  US 13 North and South, but by doing so they created a more dangerous condition than what existed.
Here's how the area looks today (as of Sept. 2019) (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6967568,-75.569244,3a,75y,271.59h,82.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjKVe6FeRNYK3mTXWL8auFg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).

IMHO, it would've been better to feature a downward-pointing arrow (below the sign legend) on that US 13 northbound ramp BGS over the right-lane.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: BrianP on May 10, 2021, 11:50:18 AM
But if you back up some you'll see the improvement of an earlier warning to slow down:
https://goo.gl/maps/XzcEFdt6EAsgANfe8
I would imagine that having the warning right at the turn meant more slamming on brakes.  The thing I'm disappointed in is there is no advisory speed given.  That's the best indicator of how much you need to slow down. There used to be those 35 mph speed limit signs.  But a ramp advisory limit displayed earlier than the old speed limit signs would be preferable.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on May 18, 2021, 10:51:30 PM
Yea 295 was a mess before the rebuild I'm glad they fixed many issues.

Now the next thing that will be a great help is the I-95-141-295 Merge, once that new wider lane opens up it should decongest the whole area.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 20, 2021, 05:38:38 PM
DelDOT: TRAFFIC ALERT - Intersection Improvements Will Require the Closure of US 9/East Market Street
 (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8576)
This is part of the Georgetown East Gateway Project.

DelDOT: TRAFFIC ALERT - US 9/East Market Street in Georgetown Opens a Day Early (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8620)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 02, 2021, 02:30:35 PM
DelDOT: TRAFFIC ALERT - UPDATED: Closure of Westbound Route 4/Christina Parkway for Reconstruction (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8624&type=Traffic)

US 40 is still open for the shunpikers.  :clap:
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 02, 2021, 05:15:44 PM
DelDOT: TRAFFIC ALERT - UPDATED: Closure of Westbound Route 4/Christina Parkway for Reconstruction (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8624&type=Traffic)

US 40 is still open for the shunpikers.  :clap:

Other options: 

95 South Exit 1B: 896 North, then use the Jersey-style jughandle at the 2nd light to Chestnut Hill Road to Otts Chapel Road, to 279 to 95

95 South Exit 1A: 896 South to Old Baltimore Pike to the roundabout for Muddy Road to 279.

95 South Exit 3: 273 East thru Univ of Delaware to 279.

Other selections available upon request.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 02, 2021, 05:29:28 PM
Quote
95 South Exit 3: 273 East thru Univ of Delaware to 279.

I guess it is actually 273 West through Newark to 896 South to 279.

Honestly, I would prefer sticking with US 40 than dealing with Newark or the 279 construction at all, but option 2 does avoid the construction.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jmacswimmer on June 02, 2021, 05:36:49 PM
In terms of completely avoiding the construction, I've tried MD 279-Iron Hill Road-W Chestnut Hill Road-DE 896 (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/39.6416623,-75.8010991/39.6424309,-75.7903727/39.6466218,-75.7470207/@39.6518007,-75.7930239,7992m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!4m1!3e0!5m1!1e1?hl=en) a few times since the DE 279 project revved into high gear.  Less efficient going westbound, however, due to bollards preventing a direct left turn from Iron Hill Road onto MD 279 - you'd have to u-turn at the nearby MD 277 intersection.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NJRoadfan on June 02, 2021, 06:50:43 PM
I personally prefer Walsh Tract Rd. over Chestnut Hill. Its a direct left off of 896 and less hilly.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on June 03, 2021, 12:24:34 AM
I personally prefer Walsh Tract Rd. over Chestnut Hill. Its a direct left off of 896 and less hilly.
I came here to suggest this. I think it works better since they closed the direct left onto 279.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on June 03, 2021, 08:30:17 PM
But the bridge bringing Christina Pkwy. over Amtrak will *still* be only two lanes, right?  Was it deliberately built that way to discourage shunpiking truckers (along with the signed weight restrictions)?

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 03, 2021, 10:04:52 PM
But the bridge bringing Christina Pkwy. over Amtrak will *still* be only two lanes, right?  Was it deliberately built that way to discourage shunpiking truckers (along with the signed weight restrictions)?

ixnay

The construction is replacing the concrete at the Elkton Road Intersection. It's not a Christiana Parkway project.

I doubt this road's construction had anything to do with shunpiking.  It was the last part of DE 4 to be built, so if they were concerned about shunpiking they wouldn't have built it at all. It's not a very heavily traveled roadway overall, and DelDOT provides 2 left turn lanes to get onto the road. Whenever I've used it, I've had no issues reaching or exceeding the 50 mph limit.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on June 03, 2021, 11:31:59 PM
But the bridge bringing Christina Pkwy. over Amtrak will *still* be only two lanes, right?  Was it deliberately built that way to discourage shunpiking truckers (along with the signed weight restrictions)?

ixnay

This project (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T200410301#project-details1) slated for construction in 2025 is supposed to fix the lane drops through this stretch of SR 4.

The weight restrictions are in place to keep trucks from skipping the toll, but the eastbound lane drop looks more like it was tacked on as an after-thought to alleviate congestion at the Elkton Road intersection while using the existing road's footprint. The area around the Elkton Road intersection can be a bit of a mess around rush hour, so I'm glad this corridor is finally getting fully built out.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 04, 2021, 10:59:33 AM
DelDOT: TRAFFIC ALERT - Nighttime Intermittent Lane Closures for Intersection Improvements at Route 24 and Routes 5/23 Intersection (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8635)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 04, 2021, 01:52:09 PM
DelDOT: TRAFFIC ALERT - UPDATED: Closure of Westbound Route 4/Christina Parkway for Reconstruction (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8624&type=Traffic)

US 40 is still open for the shunpikers.  :clap:

Another one related to the DE 279 widening.  (TRAFFIC ALERT - Elkton Road Left Turn Lane Closed for Reconstruction (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8638))

6-7-2021 Update: TRAFFIC ALERT - UPDATED: Closure of Westbound Route 4/Christina Parkway for Reconstruction (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8624)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jmacswimmer on June 08, 2021, 09:12:39 AM
https://twitter.com/DelawareDOT/status/1402245566319452169

Here's a screenshot of traffic conditions as of the time of this post - looks like an absolute nightmare :ded:

(https://i.ibb.co/dPkwJfG/DE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tqYTPH8)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on June 08, 2021, 09:17:30 AM
https://twitter.com/DelawareDOT/status/1402245566319452169

Here's a screenshot of traffic conditions as of the time of this post - looks like an absolute nightmare :ded:

(https://i.ibb.co/dPkwJfG/DE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tqYTPH8)

Second major accident in that section of NB 95 in about a week
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 08, 2021, 09:36:44 AM
Probably just the law of averages, as nothing significant has changed in that area lately.  There's always been an issue of motorists merging at the last moment in that area, often quickly merging right to get to 295.  Plenty of signage also to note which lanes to be in between DE 1 and the 95/295 split. 

If these crashes are the result of someone doing what I just describe, hopefully they are involved (but not seriously injured) so they can be charged as appropriate, and insurance companies from those involved can go after the motorist that caused the issue.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on June 08, 2021, 11:42:23 AM
Probably just the law of averages, as nothing significant has changed in that area lately.  There's always been an issue of motorists merging at the last moment in that area, often quickly merging right to get to 295.  Plenty of signage also to note which lanes to be in between DE 1 and the 95/295 split. 

If these crashes are the result of someone doing what I just describe, hopefully they are involved (but not seriously injured) so they can be charged as appropriate, and insurance companies from those involved can go after the motorist that caused the issue.

It's worse now - road is closed all the way to the DE 896 exit after the toll plaza going NB
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jmacswimmer on June 08, 2021, 12:34:43 PM
Probably just the law of averages, as nothing significant has changed in that area lately.  There's always been an issue of motorists merging at the last moment in that area, often quickly merging right to get to 295.  Plenty of signage also to note which lanes to be in between DE 1 and the 95/295 split. 

If these crashes are the result of someone doing what I just describe, hopefully they are involved (but not seriously injured) so they can be charged as appropriate, and insurance companies from those involved can go after the motorist that caused the issue.

It's worse now - road is closed all the way to the DE 896 exit after the toll plaza going NB

With DelDOT now forcing NB traffic off at exit 1 (presumably an attempt to spread out the detour traffic), the resulting backup has now reached exit 109 in Maryland - a quick peak at the MDOT traffic camera at that interchange (https://chart.maryland.gov/video/video.php?feed=0f019fd7443a0032004606363d235daa) showed several vehicles reversing along the shoulder back to exit 109B (and MD/DE 279 appears to be quickly clogging up as well).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 08, 2021, 02:13:27 PM
Probably just the law of averages, as nothing significant has changed in that area lately.  There's always been an issue of motorists merging at the last moment in that area, often quickly merging right to get to 295.  Plenty of signage also to note which lanes to be in between DE 1 and the 95/295 split. 

If these crashes are the result of someone doing what I just describe, hopefully they are involved (but not seriously injured) so they can be charged as appropriate, and insurance companies from those involved can go after the motorist that caused the issue.

It's worse now - road is closed all the way to the DE 896 exit after the toll plaza going NB

With DelDOT now forcing NB traffic off at exit 1 (presumably an attempt to spread out the detour traffic), the resulting backup has now reached exit 109 in Maryland - a quick peak at the MDOT traffic camera at that interchange (https://chart.maryland.gov/video/video.php?feed=0f019fd7443a0032004606363d235daa) showed several vehicles reversing along the shoulder back to exit 109B (and MD/DE 279 appears to be quickly clogging up as well).

Although that's just a 2 mile backup.

What's worse: Traffic pays the $4 (or more) toll, then they're forced off the highway less than a mile later.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jmacswimmer on June 08, 2021, 02:40:44 PM
Although that's just a 2 mile backup.

What's worse: Traffic pays the $4 (or more) toll, then they're forced off the highway less than a mile later.

Not worse from DelDOT's point of view...worse to them would be if MDTA decided to force traffic off at exit 109 :-D (FWIW, VMS's before exits 100 & 109 are advising traffic to use MD 272/279 over to US 40, per MDOT's CHART website.)

Meanwhile, a 0.5-mile-radius shelter-in-place was ordered around the crash site to allow for the chemicals to be burned off.

https://twitter.com/DelawareDNREC/status/1402324590282555392
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 08, 2021, 09:54:05 PM
I'll say this for the original version of the I-295-US 13 and 40 interchange; At least that version didn't make it harder for southbound traffic on US 13 to get to northbound I-295. Now, they have to stop in the middle of the median and hope somebody lets them through.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 08, 2021, 10:06:00 PM
I'll say this for the original version of the I-295-US 13 and 40 interchange; At least that version didn't make it harder for southbound traffic on US 13 to get to northbound I-295. Now, they have to stop in the middle of the median and hope somebody lets them through.

They made this change many years ago, and I agree completely.  While technically there's only two lanes to cross, it's very difficult to truly tell which lane someone is in, and motorists could change lanes at a moment's notice.  Never liked the new design.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 09, 2021, 07:48:03 AM
To finalize the I-95 closure, I-95 and all ramps have been reopened as of last night. (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8645)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on June 09, 2021, 06:07:39 PM
To finalize the I-95 closure, I-95 and all ramps have been reopened as of last night. (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8645)
It looks like the press release was rescinded.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 09, 2021, 06:25:50 PM
To finalize the I-95 closure, I-95 and all ramps have been reopened as of last night. (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8645)
It looks like the press release was rescinded.

That is odd.  I am not sure why they would rescind it.  Doing a quick Google news search on "I-95 Delaware" does not show any new closures.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on June 10, 2021, 09:13:19 AM
To finalize the I-95 closure, I-95 and all ramps have been reopened as of last night. (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8645)
It looks like the press release was rescinded.
To finalize the I-95 closure, I-95 and all ramps have been reopened as of last night. (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8645)
It looks like the press release was rescinded.

That is odd.  I am not sure why they would rescind it.  Doing a quick Google news search on "I-95 Delaware" does not show any new closures.

I think they rescind anything about an incident once it has passed
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jmacswimmer on June 10, 2021, 09:46:40 AM
The tweets do still exist from DelDOT, however...the one announcing full reopening shows where the right 2 lanes + shoulder had to be repaved.

https://twitter.com/DelawareDOT/status/1402577779821092865
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 10, 2021, 09:52:55 AM
DelDOT: TRAFFIC ALERT - UPDATED: Closure of Westbound Route 4/Christina Parkway for Reconstruction (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8624&type=Traffic)

US 40 is still open for the shunpikers.  :clap:

Another one related to the DE 279 widening.  (TRAFFIC ALERT - Elkton Road Left Turn Lane Closed for Reconstruction (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8638))

6-7-2021 Update: TRAFFIC ALERT - UPDATED: Closure of Westbound Route 4/Christina Parkway for Reconstruction (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8624)

Anyway back to DE 4/DE 896:  TRAFFIC ALERT - UPDATED: Closure of Westbound Route 4/Christina Parkway for Reconstruction (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8624)

EDIT:  An announcement has been made for eastbound as well.  (TRAFFIC ALERT - Closure of Eastbound Route 4/Christina Parkway for Reconstruction (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8649))
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 15, 2021, 10:03:26 AM
DelDOT:TRAFFIC ALERT - Incident Closes I-495 NB at the I-95/I-495 Split (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8657)

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Traffic Information: Due to a crash, the Delaware Department of Transportation announces to motorists that I-495 Northbound at the I-95/I-495 Split and all ramps are also closed.

Traffic is being diverted to I-95 Northbound.

10:16 AM Update:  TRAFFIC ALERT - I-495 NB Two Left Lanes OPEN to traffic (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8657)

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Traffic Information: The Delaware Department of Transportation announces to motorists that two left lanes are now OPEN to traffic on I-495 Northbound at the I-95/I-495 Split. Two right lanes remain closed on I-495 Northbound.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on June 15, 2021, 12:54:52 PM
DelDOT:TRAFFIC ALERT - Incident Closes I-495 NB at the I-95/I-495 Split (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8657)

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Traffic Information: Due to a crash, the Delaware Department of Transportation announces to motorists that I-495 Northbound at the I-95/I-495 Split and all ramps are also closed.

Traffic is being diverted to I-95 Northbound.

10:16 AM Update:  TRAFFIC ALERT - I-495 NB Two Left Lanes OPEN to traffic (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8657)

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Traffic Information: The Delaware Department of Transportation announces to motorists that two left lanes are now OPEN to traffic on I-495 Northbound at the I-95/I-495 Split. Two right lanes remain closed on I-495 Northbound.


DMS and cameras show 495 is still closed.  I think there was a second accident in between that resulted in the closure.

Given the I-95 detour and the crazy speeds drivers reach on a much wider 495, it's not surprising there seems to be regular accidents there.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 15, 2021, 01:11:18 PM
I have not seen any further news releases on this since what I posted at 10:16 AM....
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on June 15, 2021, 03:33:42 PM
I have not seen any further news releases on this since what I posted at 10:16 AM....

Road is reopened, but it was strange DelDOT's updates did not match the actual condition this morning
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on June 23, 2021, 04:18:29 PM
Wonder if they will settle on just I-95 or if this will become a statewide push in future years

Speed enforcement cameras likely on the way for I-95 work zone (https://www.wdel.com/news/speed-enforcement-cameras-likely-on-the-way-for-i-95-work-zone/article_51bed496-d422-11eb-8561-fb31031aa9df.html)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on June 23, 2021, 10:52:47 PM
Sorry I'm late with this, but...

https://www.capegazette.com/article/route-16-interchange-closer-construction/221994

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Right-of-way acquisition is expected to be completed this summer on the Route 16-Route 1 interchange project, followed by bid advertisement.

...

The Rookery Golf Club, located near the intersection, will be required to relocate a portion of a cart path and a sand trap on the par-5 18th hole to install a safety net between the course and the northbound Route 1 off-ramp. Lank Road, which connects Route 1 and Broadkill Road beside the golf course, will be removed.

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In addition, deck work on the two Route 1 bridges over the Broadkill River is expected to begin this October. McLeod said the bridge where work is occurring will be closed to traffic, with motorists diverted to the other bridge, which will carry two-way traffic.

The project includes replacement of decking, beams and joints, and substructure work under the bridges.


ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on June 23, 2021, 11:08:57 PM
Is DelDOT ever going to do improvements along US-113 in the nature they are doing SH-1? The continuous towns the route passes through, traffic signals, high traffic volumes, etc. warrants at minimum a free-flowing corridor, if not limited access highway.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 24, 2021, 08:43:50 AM
Is DelDOT ever going to do improvements along US-113 in the nature they are doing SH-1? The continuous towns the route passes through, traffic signals, high traffic volumes, etc. warrants at minimum a free-flowing corridor, if not limited access highway.

DelDOT has been looking into it, but I do not think it is to DE 1 level for now.  (Study (https://deldot.gov/information/projects/us113/), North Millsboro Bypass (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201912701))
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on June 24, 2021, 09:39:21 AM
DE 1's traffic volumes are higher.  That said, DelDOT has plans to build 3 interchanges in the coming years along US 113, at DE 20 West (2023, includes a connector east to DE 24), DE 404 West (2024), and DE 16 (2027).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on June 24, 2021, 12:04:48 PM
Is DelDOT ever going to do improvements along US-113 in the nature they are doing SH-1? The continuous towns the route passes through, traffic signals, high traffic volumes, etc. warrants at minimum a free-flowing corridor, if not limited access highway.

DelDOT has been looking into it, but I do not think it is to DE 1 level for now.  (Study (https://deldot.gov/information/projects/us113/), North Millsboro Bypass (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201912701))

They'd been pushing for a limited access highway between Milford and the Maryland line comparable to that of the DE 1 tollway. Local opposition got it canned though, which IMO was pretty short sighted. Sussex County is going to continue to grow regardless of whether the highway projects that'll make that growth bearable get completed.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: davewiecking on June 24, 2021, 01:54:17 PM
Is DelDOT ever going to do improvements along US-113 in the nature they are doing SH-1? The continuous towns the route passes through, traffic signals, high traffic volumes, etc. warrants at minimum a free-flowing corridor, if not limited access highway.

DelDOT has been looking into it, but I do not think it is to DE 1 level for now.  (Study (https://deldot.gov/information/projects/us113/), North Millsboro Bypass (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201912701))

They'd been pushing for a limited access highway between Milford and the Maryland line comparable to that of the DE 1 tollway. Local opposition got it canned though, which IMO was pretty short sighted. Sussex County is going to continue to grow regardless of whether the highway projects that'll make that growth bearable get completed.

Too many chicken farms would have been displaced. Also wetlands issues on the Millsboro bypass portion that would have simplified access to Bethany Beach area. Of course the E-W roads can’t really handle much more traffic anyway.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on June 24, 2021, 02:13:45 PM
DE 1's traffic volumes are higher.  That said, DelDOT has plans to build 3 interchanges in the coming years along US 113, at DE 20 West (2023, includes a connector east to DE 24), DE 404 West (2024), and DE 16 (2027).
Slightly, but not to a large extent. Both corridors are comparable. US-113 is also a regional corridor, DE-1 is a local connector to the beaches and Lewes.

They'd been pushing for a limited access highway between Milford and the Maryland line comparable to that of the DE 1 tollway. Local opposition got it canned though, which IMO was pretty short sighted. Sussex County is going to continue to grow regardless of whether the highway projects that'll make that growth bearable get completed.
What a joke. The corridor should've been built out to the same design DE-1 is north of Dover, all the way south to Maryland, whether on entirely new location (put another toll on it), or partially upgrading the existing route / building new town bypasses. It's a shame some local opposition causes an entire corridor to be scaled back or removed, largely political driven ultimately. The corridor is needed to handle existing and future regional volumes, and a viable alternative for not only US-113, but also US-13.

At least they got the corridor north of Dover right.

An expressway design (free-flow, no signals) is planed in some areas it seems, but with the volumes the road handles during peak weekends and in the summer in general, full limited access is warranted. The local opposition is the same group of people that have to deal with turning onto a highway (where no signal or proposed interchange exists) with heavy, dense 70+ mph traffic, which is a significant safety hazard. It's not some lightly traveled corridor where spot upgrades are acceptable.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on June 24, 2021, 07:12:57 PM
DE 1's traffic volumes are higher.  That said, DelDOT has plans to build 3 interchanges in the coming years along US 113, at DE 20 West (2023, includes a connector east to DE 24), DE 404 West (2024), and DE 16 (2027).
Slightly, but not to a large extent. Both corridors are comparable. US-113 is also a regional corridor, DE-1 is a local connector to the beaches and Lewes.

They'd been pushing for a limited access highway between Milford and the Maryland line comparable to that of the DE 1 tollway. Local opposition got it canned though, which IMO was pretty short sighted. Sussex County is going to continue to grow regardless of whether the highway projects that'll make that growth bearable get completed.
What a joke. The corridor should've been built out to the same design DE-1 is north of Dover, all the way south to Maryland, whether on entirely new location (put another toll on it), or partially upgrading the existing route / building new town bypasses. It's a shame some local opposition causes an entire corridor to be scaled back or removed, largely political driven ultimately. The corridor is needed to handle existing and future regional volumes, and a viable alternative for not only US-113, but also US-13.

At least they got the corridor north of Dover right.

An expressway design (free-flow, no signals) is planed in some areas it seems, but with the volumes the road handles during peak weekends and in the summer in general, full limited access is warranted. The local opposition is the same group of people that have to deal with turning onto a highway (where no signal or proposed interchange exists) with heavy, dense 70+ mph traffic, which is a significant safety hazard. It's not some lightly traveled corridor where spot upgrades are acceptable.
There's actually a better corridor for a freeway, and that's halfway between 113 and 13 where density of development (towns or farms) is lowest and it then can tie into the Salisbury Bypass. But that's more expensive than upgrading in place.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on June 24, 2021, 07:21:31 PM
There's actually a better corridor for a freeway, and that's halfway between 113 and 13 where density of development (towns or farms) is lowest and it then can tie into the Salisbury Bypass. But that's more expensive than upgrading in place.
Agreed, and that's what I ultimately think Delaware should focus on. Construct a new toll road between either Frederica or Milford (upgrading SH-1 north of there to interstate standards) to Salisbury. If Maryland was ever to get on board with interstate-standard upgrades, US-13 is a much easier corridor for them to upgrade compared to US-113 given that US-13 is limited access (albeit with intersections) for the most part in the entire state.

Virginia is what would be any blockage to an Eastern Shore freeway, and IMO the state that is due for the most upgrades. The sheer amount of towns you pass through and intersections is ridiculous.

 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on June 24, 2021, 10:11:18 PM
There's actually a better corridor for a freeway, and that's halfway between 113 and 13 where density of development (towns or farms) is lowest and it then can tie into the Salisbury Bypass. But that's more expensive than upgrading in place.
Agreed, and that's what I ultimately think Delaware should focus on. Construct a new toll road between either Frederica or Milford (upgrading SH-1 north of there to interstate standards) to Salisbury. If Maryland was ever to get on board with interstate-standard upgrades, US-13 is a much easier corridor for them to upgrade compared to US-113 given that US-13 is limited access (albeit with intersections) for the most part in the entire state.

Virginia is what would be any blockage to an Eastern Shore freeway, and IMO the state that is due for the most upgrades. The sheer amount of towns you pass through and intersections is ridiculous.

The bigger concern Delaware has really amounts to the ever expanding communities springing up around its and Maryland's beach communities, not so much traffic spanning the length of the peninsula to the CBBT. In my opinion, the closer any facility is to US 113 and points east, the better. A facility further west would certainly run into fewer ROW issues, but I don't think it'd serve to alleviate near as much traffic around areas like Georgetown / Millsboro and points east especially given how short the area is on good E - W capacity. Much of DelDOT's original plans went eastward around significant towns, most notably with a significant eastern bypass of the Millsboro - Dagsboro - Frankford area. As complicated as it would've been to build it compared to a western bypass, I think it would've been far more beneficial to the area in the long run in terms of traffic flow. Millsboro is getting to be a mess even outside the summer months, and I'm not super convinced that the DE 24 bypass they're going to be kicking off soon is going to make much of a difference.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 25, 2021, 07:08:10 AM
There's actually a better corridor for a freeway, and that's halfway between 113 and 13 where density of development (towns or farms) is lowest and it then can tie into the Salisbury Bypass. But that's more expensive than upgrading in place.
Agreed, and that's what I ultimately think Delaware should focus on. Construct a new toll road between either Frederica or Milford (upgrading SH-1 north of there to interstate standards) to Salisbury. If Maryland was ever to get on board with interstate-standard upgrades, US-13 is a much easier corridor for them to upgrade compared to US-113 given that US-13 is limited access (albeit with intersections) for the most part in the entire state.

Virginia is what would be any blockage to an Eastern Shore freeway, and IMO the state that is due for the most upgrades. The sheer amount of towns you pass through and intersections is ridiculous.

The bigger concern Delaware has really amounts to the ever expanding communities springing up around its and Maryland's beach communities, not so much traffic spanning the length of the peninsula to the CBBT. In my opinion, the closer any facility is to US 113 and points east, the better. A facility further west would certainly run into fewer ROW issues, but I don't think it'd serve to alleviate near as much traffic around areas like Georgetown / Millsboro and points east especially given how short the area is on good E - W capacity. Much of DelDOT's original plans went eastward around significant towns, most notably with a significant eastern bypass of the Millsboro - Dagsboro - Frankford area. As complicated as it would've been to build it compared to a western bypass, I think it would've been far more beneficial to the area in the long run in terms of traffic flow. Millsboro is getting to be a mess even outside the summer months, and I'm not super convinced that the DE 24 bypass they're going to be kicking off soon is going to make much of a difference.

Yeah, when I did some clinching in southern DE on April 2nd, I was a bit shocked at how crazy the traffic was in the area even then.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 25, 2021, 08:31:02 AM
DelDOT:  TRAFFIC ALERT - Closure of Eastbound Route 4/Christina Parkway for Reconstruction (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8649)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on June 25, 2021, 11:11:44 AM
Passed thru Delaware a couple Mondays ago.  Only real traffic problem I had was the 113/24 intersection.  And what I observed there spoke far more to the need for east-west alternatives to 24 than it did improvements to 113.  This is consistent with years past when I traveled through the state regularly between Norfolk and New England.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 25, 2021, 03:34:59 PM
DelDOT:  (For DE 299) TRAFFIC ALERT - Route 299, Route 1 to Catherine Street Project (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8665)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 02, 2021, 10:41:19 AM
DelDOT:  (For DE 273)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Route 273 WB Right Lane Closed and I-95 SB On-Ramp Closed for Demolition and Repaving of Bridge Deck (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8677)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 07, 2021, 07:38:16 PM
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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 15, 2021, 07:54:47 AM
(For DE 9) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Portion of Route 9 to be Closed for Replacement of Tidal Flood Gates (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8697)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on July 15, 2021, 10:19:28 PM
(For DE 9) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Portion of Route 9 to be Closed for Replacement of Tidal Flood Gates (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8697)

This will last for 5 months and affect access from Delaware City down DE 9 to Port Penn.

Hope the (old) St. Georges Bridge will hold up.  That's part of the detour (though I'm sure the 15 ton limit will remain).

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on July 19, 2021, 08:32:20 PM
The flashing yellow arrow on 12th Street at the I-95 NB ramp in Wilmington has returned.  This time there are two arrows that flash simultaneously as beacons over a pedestrian crossing sign.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 20, 2021, 10:04:20 AM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Paving Will Require the Weekend Closure of Exit 5B and Exit 3B-- New Castle County (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8705)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on July 25, 2021, 09:44:59 AM
I know I am being a tad redundant but I have to ask:

1.  The construction at the junction of SB I-295 and I-95, what is being done and when will it be completed?
-I believe I was told they were making it so the shoulder lane on one side could be used for travel during peak times, but given the clearance and time it has taken, this seems like something more is being done.

2.  Back in 2017 there was a lot of construction on I-295 between I-95 and the DEMB, what exactly was done?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 26, 2021, 10:09:55 PM
I know I am being a tad redundant but I have to ask:

1.  The construction at the junction of SB I-295 and I-95, what is being done and when will it be completed?
-I believe I was told they were making it so the shoulder lane on one side could be used for travel during peak times, but given the clearance and time it has taken, this seems like something more is being done.

295 will remain separate from 95 for a bit longer than present.  It'll go under 141 before it merges with I-95.

The shoulder lane is a completely separate project.  I haven't seen anything done about that, and don't know its timeline.

2.  Back in 2017 there was a lot of construction on I-295 between I-95 and the DEMB, what exactly was done?

The ramp from US 13/40 North to I-295 South was moved from being a flyover to a cloverleaf ramp.  I-495 North lost its "Exit Only" lane, and the right lane became an exit lane for both I-495 North and I-95 North.  That, in turn, modified I-295 South to be 3 continuous lanes from the toll plaza to the DE 141 Exit, where the left lane became an Exit Only lane for 141 South.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 02, 2021, 12:49:57 PM
(For DE 62)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Newport Gap Pike to close at RR Crossing (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8725)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on August 06, 2021, 02:03:31 PM
Are there now EZPass arches on DE 1 between the DE 299 (Odessa/Middletown) and North Smyrna interchanges (or on ramps)?  DelDOT's toll calculator shows a toll between that pair of interchanges (which are consecutive without an intervening interchange), but I don't see any arches in that stretch on GoogleSat.

ixnay
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on August 06, 2021, 07:22:56 PM
Are there now EZPass arches on DE 1 between the DE 299 (Odessa/Middletown) and North Smyrna interchanges (or on ramps)?  DelDOT's toll calculator shows a toll between that pair of interchanges (which are consecutive without an intervening interchange), but I don't see any arches in that stretch on GoogleSat.

ixnay

I haven't heard any news of such. I was able to get the toll calculator to display a $0.50 ramp toll if I punched in entering NB at Exit 119 (Smyrna) and exiting at exit 136 (Middletown) but I'm pretty confident that's an error.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 09, 2021, 01:55:32 PM
(For DE 279) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Advanced Phase 2 of Elkton Road Project Begins on August 29 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8731)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mrcmc888 on August 14, 2021, 01:23:24 AM
Noticed going down I-95 through Wilmington that the variant "RIGHT LANE MUST EXIT" Exit Only signs are gone.  That just leaves the two or so on the Newport Freeway...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on August 16, 2021, 11:44:58 PM
It might be time to say goodbye to DE Route 34, DelDOT looks poised to remove signage for it by this summer:

https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/FaulklandRoadDeclassificatioofDE34/pdf/Faulkland.pdf (https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/FaulklandRoadDeclassificatioofDE34/pdf/Faulkland.pdf)

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Declassification of SR 34 may indirectly encourage drivers to use alternate routes such as SR 48 to the north, or SR 2 to the south

And what does DelDOT do two years later? Post signs for "Alt Route to Wilmington" for Faulkland Road east on SR 141 north from SR 2/Kirkwood Hwy...
Spotted two of these today.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 17, 2021, 07:13:04 AM
It might be time to say goodbye to DE Route 34, DelDOT looks poised to remove signage for it by this summer:

https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/FaulklandRoadDeclassificatioofDE34/pdf/Faulkland.pdf (https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/FaulklandRoadDeclassificatioofDE34/pdf/Faulkland.pdf)

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Declassification of SR 34 may indirectly encourage drivers to use alternate routes such as SR 48 to the north, or SR 2 to the south

And what does DelDOT do two years later? Post signs for "Alt Route to Wilmington" for Faulkland Road east on SR 141 north from SR 2/Kirkwood Hwy...
Spotted two of these today.

I saw these signs on DE 4 while in the area for the Delaware Road Meet a month ago.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on August 17, 2021, 11:20:31 PM
It might be time to say goodbye to DE Route 34, DelDOT looks poised to remove signage for it by this summer:

https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/FaulklandRoadDeclassificatioofDE34/pdf/Faulkland.pdf (https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/FaulklandRoadDeclassificatioofDE34/pdf/Faulkland.pdf)

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Declassification of SR 34 may indirectly encourage drivers to use alternate routes such as SR 48 to the north, or SR 2 to the south

And what does DelDOT do two years later? Post signs for "Alt Route to Wilmington" for Faulkland Road east on SR 141 north from SR 2/Kirkwood Hwy...
Spotted two of these today.

They put a ton of those signs up all over the place in response to the I-95 construction through town. I have to wonder what interstate trips could possibly be using Faulkland Road as a reasonable detour though.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on August 18, 2021, 12:11:20 AM
It might be time to say goodbye to DE Route 34, DelDOT looks poised to remove signage for it by this summer:

https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/FaulklandRoadDeclassificatioofDE34/pdf/Faulkland.pdf (https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/FaulklandRoadDeclassificatioofDE34/pdf/Faulkland.pdf)

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Declassification of SR 34 may indirectly encourage drivers to use alternate routes such as SR 48 to the north, or SR 2 to the south

And what does DelDOT do two years later? Post signs for "Alt Route to Wilmington" for Faulkland Road east on SR 141 north from SR 2/Kirkwood Hwy...
Spotted two of these today.

They put a ton of those signs up all over the place in response to the I-95 construction through town. I have to wonder what interstate trips could possibly be using Faulkland Road as a reasonable detour though.

That explains it, thanks.

Today heading south to Camden in Kent County, noted the work on new large monotubes being installed for the exits to SR 71 southbound and U.S. 40 northbound on SR 1. I'm assuming the new signs will be carbon copies on oversized panels.

The construction on SR 15 in Dover I saw in December is finished. And they added a second shield northbound where SR 15 turns east onto Hazlettsville Road as well.

A large distribution center is near completion off of POW/MIA Parkway. Gone up very quickly as it wasn't there in December.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on August 18, 2021, 02:04:01 AM
https://www.wdel.com/news/cash-collection-temporarily-suspended-at-newark-toll-plaza/article_faf6317e-ffcb-11eb-b225-2b7c6a0ebb6e.html

Might as well switch towards AET while we are at it...  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ekt8750 on August 18, 2021, 10:35:41 AM
https://www.wdel.com/news/cash-collection-temporarily-suspended-at-newark-toll-plaza/article_faf6317e-ffcb-11eb-b225-2b7c6a0ebb6e.html

Might as well switch towards AET while we are at it...  :hmmm:

I'll still shunpike it out of spite.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 18, 2021, 11:50:04 AM
https://www.wdel.com/news/cash-collection-temporarily-suspended-at-newark-toll-plaza/article_faf6317e-ffcb-11eb-b225-2b7c6a0ebb6e.html

Might as well switch towards AET while we are at it...  :hmmm:

If months of Covid didn't end collections, I don't think a small sewage leak will change their minds at this time either.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jmacswimmer on August 18, 2021, 12:03:15 PM
https://www.wdel.com/news/cash-collection-temporarily-suspended-at-newark-toll-plaza/article_faf6317e-ffcb-11eb-b225-2b7c6a0ebb6e.html

Might as well switch towards AET while we are at it...  :hmmm:

If months of Covid didn't end collections, I don't think a small sewage leak will change their minds at this time either.

Maybe they would if the mainline plazas on both I-95 & DE 1 didn't already have express lanes, but yes DelDOT does seem content with their current tolling setup.

(In a perfect world, a 3rd lane would be added to the express lanes thru the Newark Plaza...the past couple times I've been thru there, I've noticed that most of the traffic squeezes into the 2 E-ZPass lanes while very little traffic takes the outer 2 lanes that feed into the toll booths. But given that the entire plaza was just reconstructed about a decade ago and that widening the express lanes would likely require some substantial reconstruction, I can't imagine it'll happen anytime soon - DelDOT going fully AET and simply removing the booths at some point in the future is probably the more likely outcome.)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 18, 2021, 12:23:21 PM
https://www.wdel.com/news/cash-collection-temporarily-suspended-at-newark-toll-plaza/article_faf6317e-ffcb-11eb-b225-2b7c6a0ebb6e.html

Might as well switch towards AET while we are at it...  :hmmm:

If months of Covid didn't end collections, I don't think a small sewage leak will change their minds at this time either.

Maybe they would if the mainline plazas on both I-95 & DE 1 didn't already have express lanes, but yes DelDOT does seem content with their current tolling setup.

(In a perfect world, a 3rd lane would be added to the express lanes thru the Newark Plaza...the past couple times I've been thru there, I've noticed that most of the traffic squeezes into the 2 E-ZPass lanes while very little traffic takes the outer 2 lanes that feed into the toll booths. But given that the entire plaza was just reconstructed about a decade ago and that widening the express lanes would likely require some substantial reconstruction, I can't imagine it'll happen anytime soon - DelDOT going fully AET and simply removing the booths at some point in the future is probably the more likely outcome.)

The reconstruction was a wild exaggeration from what was needed, and it going to be another costly project to remove the split.

One of the reasons stated was the SB ramp from 896 was too close to the plaza, but at over a half-mile away for a lightly used ramp, there were other options. And the NB side doesn't have this ramp issue.

Another reason was regarding the stacking of traffic into the cash lanes, although that issue disappeared fairly quickly.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on August 18, 2021, 12:33:17 PM
https://www.wdel.com/news/cash-collection-temporarily-suspended-at-newark-toll-plaza/article_faf6317e-ffcb-11eb-b225-2b7c6a0ebb6e.html

Might as well switch towards AET while we are at it...  :hmmm:

If months of Covid didn't end collections, I don't think a small sewage leak will change their minds at this time either.

Maybe they would if the mainline plazas on both I-95 & DE 1 didn't already have express lanes, but yes DelDOT does seem content with their current tolling setup.

(In a perfect world, a 3rd lane would be added to the express lanes thru the Newark Plaza...the past couple times I've been thru there, I've noticed that most of the traffic squeezes into the 2 E-ZPass lanes while very little traffic takes the outer 2 lanes that feed into the toll booths. But given that the entire plaza was just reconstructed about a decade ago and that widening the express lanes would likely require some substantial reconstruction, I can't imagine it'll happen anytime soon - DelDOT going fully AET and simply removing the booths at some point in the future is probably the more likely outcome.)

If anything, the Delaware Memorial Bridge toll is the most likely candidate for AET reconstruction anytime in the near future. Every other booth in the state flows perfectly fine.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 18, 2021, 12:42:32 PM
https://www.wdel.com/news/cash-collection-temporarily-suspended-at-newark-toll-plaza/article_faf6317e-ffcb-11eb-b225-2b7c6a0ebb6e.html

Might as well switch towards AET while we are at it...  :hmmm:

If months of Covid didn't end collections, I don't think a small sewage leak will change their minds at this time either.

Maybe they would if the mainline plazas on both I-95 & DE 1 didn't already have express lanes, but yes DelDOT does seem content with their current tolling setup.

(In a perfect world, a 3rd lane would be added to the express lanes thru the Newark Plaza...the past couple times I've been thru there, I've noticed that most of the traffic squeezes into the 2 E-ZPass lanes while very little traffic takes the outer 2 lanes that feed into the toll booths. But given that the entire plaza was just reconstructed about a decade ago and that widening the express lanes would likely require some substantial reconstruction, I can't imagine it'll happen anytime soon - DelDOT going fully AET and simply removing the booths at some point in the future is probably the more likely outcome.)

If anything, the Delaware Memorial Bridge toll is the most likely candidate for AET reconstruction anytime in the near future. Every other booth in the state flows perfectly fine.

And based on some recent toll plaza projects, there's no timeline for it to occur there either.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on August 18, 2021, 07:20:36 PM
https://www.wdel.com/news/cash-collection-temporarily-suspended-at-newark-toll-plaza/article_faf6317e-ffcb-11eb-b225-2b7c6a0ebb6e.html

Might as well switch towards AET while we are at it...  :hmmm:

If months of Covid didn't end collections, I don't think a small sewage leak will change their minds at this time either.

Maybe they would if the mainline plazas on both I-95 & DE 1 didn't already have express lanes, but yes DelDOT does seem content with their current tolling setup.

(In a perfect world, a 3rd lane would be added to the express lanes thru the Newark Plaza...the past couple times I've been thru there, I've noticed that most of the traffic squeezes into the 2 E-ZPass lanes while very little traffic takes the outer 2 lanes that feed into the toll booths. But given that the entire plaza was just reconstructed about a decade ago and that widening the express lanes would likely require some substantial reconstruction, I can't imagine it'll happen anytime soon - DelDOT going fully AET and simply removing the booths at some point in the future is probably the more likely outcome.)

If anything, the Delaware Memorial Bridge toll is the most likely candidate for AET reconstruction anytime in the near future. Every other booth in the state flows perfectly fine.
That plaza flows perfectly fine also. It's the squeezing onto I-95 that kills it.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on August 18, 2021, 08:05:36 PM
https://www.wdel.com/news/cash-collection-temporarily-suspended-at-newark-toll-plaza/article_faf6317e-ffcb-11eb-b225-2b7c6a0ebb6e.html

Might as well switch towards AET while we are at it...  :hmmm:

If months of Covid didn't end collections, I don't think a small sewage leak will change their minds at this time either.

Maybe they would if the mainline plazas on both I-95 & DE 1 didn't already have express lanes, but yes DelDOT does seem content with their current tolling setup.

(In a perfect world, a 3rd lane would be added to the express lanes thru the Newark Plaza...the past couple times I've been thru there, I've noticed that most of the traffic squeezes into the 2 E-ZPass lanes while very little traffic takes the outer 2 lanes that feed into the toll booths. But given that the entire plaza was just reconstructed about a decade ago and that widening the express lanes would likely require some substantial reconstruction, I can't imagine it'll happen anytime soon - DelDOT going fully AET and simply removing the booths at some point in the future is probably the more likely outcome.)

If anything, the Delaware Memorial Bridge toll is the most likely candidate for AET reconstruction anytime in the near future. Every other booth in the state flows perfectly fine.
That plaza flows perfectly fine also. It's the squeezing onto I-95 that kills it.
That's true, I meant to point out more that every other booth had free-flowing options. Worded that poorly. Between the age of the booths and the lack of any sort of express lanes I'd expect it to get a significant rebuild before any other facility in the state, though it definitely shouldn't be a priority project for the DRBA.

As an aside, I really wish the DRBA was better about posting their planned projects for their portion of I-295. Finding detailed plans for the newly-finished and future expansion projects is always a pain in the neck, especially since it's not necessarily DelDOT's responsibility to upload to their website.
(EDIT) So the project I had in mind actually is a DelDOT project (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202109101) by the looks of it, not sure why I thought this was a DRBA project.

Conceptual plans are here. (https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=8560306&iProjectObjectID=53804) Looks like the gist is to slap a third lane onto I-295 NB, with the lane beginning on I-95 near Airport Road and continuing through the I-295 split all the way over US 13. The left-side CD road with the I-95/495 SB and US 13 NB ramps will be restriped to a full two lanes, utilizing the entire roadway that was built last time the area was reconstructed.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on August 18, 2021, 08:15:44 PM
Drove the completed Eagle Run Rd from SR 273 to Stanton Christiana Rd this morning. Already has two signalized intersections along it. Several driveway stubs built in to saturate the wedge between the road and I-95 with development.

The signal where SR 7 turns from Road A to Stanton Christiana Rd is now split phased. No shield assembly refercing the turn of SR 7 south there, and no reassurance marker posted afterward either.

No changes to the traffic pattern for I-95 at SR 273 yet, though there are barriers shifting traffic on both sides of SR 273. A large area of dirt is piled up on the northeast quadrant and grading is underway for the future signalized turn from I-95 to SR 273 west.

Checked out the never ending construction on SR 141. The temporary signal is still in operation southbound at I-95. There's new bases in place for a sign bridge (monutube would be my guess) to the north. New signs for SR 141 are up on I-95 southbound too.

You can easily see the large Amazon distribution center from SR 141 that was built where the GM Boxwood Road plant was. They finally corrected the SR 41 assembly on SR 2 eastbound that referenced the former overlap: https://www.aaroads.com/de/002/de-002-e-at-de-041-3.jpg

And what goes on at the Newark Toll Plaza never effects me as my drives always originate or end in Newark when I'm up here.  :)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on August 18, 2021, 09:55:43 PM
Hopefully they finally replace Dover for Exit 3 on I-95 as a control city as well.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 18, 2021, 10:45:31 PM
https://www.wdel.com/news/cash-collection-temporarily-suspended-at-newark-toll-plaza/article_faf6317e-ffcb-11eb-b225-2b7c6a0ebb6e.html

Might as well switch towards AET while we are at it...  :hmmm:

If months of Covid didn't end collections, I don't think a small sewage leak will change their minds at this time either.

Maybe they would if the mainline plazas on both I-95 & DE 1 didn't already have express lanes, but yes DelDOT does seem content with their current tolling setup.

(In a perfect world, a 3rd lane would be added to the express lanes thru the Newark Plaza...the past couple times I've been thru there, I've noticed that most of the traffic squeezes into the 2 E-ZPass lanes while very little traffic takes the outer 2 lanes that feed into the toll booths. But given that the entire plaza was just reconstructed about a decade ago and that widening the express lanes would likely require some substantial reconstruction, I can't imagine it'll happen anytime soon - DelDOT going fully AET and simply removing the booths at some point in the future is probably the more likely outcome.)

If anything, the Delaware Memorial Bridge toll is the most likely candidate for AET reconstruction anytime in the near future. Every other booth in the state flows perfectly fine.
That plaza flows perfectly fine also. It's the squeezing onto I-95 that kills it.
That's true, I meant to point out more that every other booth had free-flowing options. Worded that poorly. Between the age of the booths and the lack of any sort of express lanes I'd expect it to get a significant rebuild before any other facility in the state, though it definitely shouldn't be a priority project for the DRBA.

What I don't like is how the lanes are striped after you go thru the plaza. 

Here's an overhead view...  https://goo.gl/maps/dLKfsG8RYMADA1ys8 .  You'll need to move it around to see everything, and even then a still picture just doesn't justify the issue because you're seeing it as a still picture, not as you're speeding up to 50 or 60 mph with other traffic right beside you.

Looking at the lanes from left to right (or in the case of the link I provided, from bottom to top), there are 13 toll lanes.  By the time you get to Route 9:

Lanes 1 - 5 Merge into 1 lane.  (Lanes 1 - 4 are typically EZ Pass only lanes).
Lane 6 continues as a single lane.
Lane 7 continues as a single lane.
Lane 8 continues as a single lane.
Lanes 9 - 13 merge into the C/D exit lane for DE 9. (Lanes 10 & 11 are typically EZ Pass only lanes)

As a result, there's an unnecessary amount of merging of traffic into a single lane for the 5 left toll lanes.  The 2 middle lanes have their own, unimpeded lane leaving the toll plaza, and the 5 right toll lanes merge into a single lane that's marked for an exit, forcing most of them to merge over again.  While DE 9 is a relatively lightly used exit just after the plaza, there's no signage prior to the plaza indicating that motorists should try to keep to the right at the plaza.

When normal, everyday traffic goes thru the plaza, it works well.  When motorists not familiar with the traffic patterns use the plaza (especially weekend/holiday traffic), there's a lot more weaving after the plaza than should be necessary.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on August 19, 2021, 01:34:52 AM
https://www.wdel.com/news/cash-collection-temporarily-suspended-at-newark-toll-plaza/article_faf6317e-ffcb-11eb-b225-2b7c6a0ebb6e.html (https://www.wdel.com/news/cash-collection-temporarily-suspended-at-newark-toll-plaza/article_faf6317e-ffcb-11eb-b225-2b7c6a0ebb6e.html)

Might as well switch towards AET while we are at it...  :hmmm:

If months of Covid didn't end collections, I don't think a small sewage leak will change their minds at this time either.

Maybe they would if the mainline plazas on both I-95 & DE 1 didn't already have express lanes, but yes DelDOT does seem content with their current tolling setup.

(In a perfect world, a 3rd lane would be added to the express lanes thru the Newark Plaza...the past couple times I've been thru there, I've noticed that most of the traffic squeezes into the 2 E-ZPass lanes while very little traffic takes the outer 2 lanes that feed into the toll booths. But given that the entire plaza was just reconstructed about a decade ago and that widening the express lanes would likely require some substantial reconstruction, I can't imagine it'll happen anytime soon - DelDOT going fully AET and simply removing the booths at some point in the future is probably the more likely outcome.)

If anything, the Delaware Memorial Bridge toll is the most likely candidate for AET reconstruction anytime in the near future. Every other booth in the state flows perfectly fine.
That plaza flows perfectly fine also. It's the squeezing onto I-95 that kills it.
That's true, I meant to point out more that every other booth had free-flowing options. Worded that poorly. Between the age of the booths and the lack of any sort of express lanes I'd expect it to get a significant rebuild before any other facility in the state, though it definitely shouldn't be a priority project for the DRBA.

What I don't like is how the lanes are striped after you go thru the plaza. 

Here's an overhead view...  https://goo.gl/maps/dLKfsG8RYMADA1ys8 (https://goo.gl/maps/dLKfsG8RYMADA1ys8) .  You'll need to move it around to see everything, and even then a still picture just doesn't justify the issue because you're seeing it as a still picture, not as you're speeding up to 50 or 60 mph with other traffic right beside you.

Looking at the lanes from left to right (or in the case of the link I provided, from bottom to top), there are 13 toll lanes.  By the time you get to Route 9:

Lanes 1 - 5 Merge into 1 lane.  (Lanes 1 - 4 are typically EZ Pass only lanes).
Lane 6 continues as a single lane.
Lane 7 continues as a single lane.
Lane 8 continues as a single lane.
Lanes 9 - 13 merge into the C/D exit lane for DE 9. (Lanes 10 & 11 are typically EZ Pass only lanes)

As a result, there's an unnecessary amount of merging of traffic into a single lane for the 5 left toll lanes.  The 2 middle lanes have their own, unimpeded lane leaving the toll plaza, and the 5 right toll lanes merge into a single lane that's marked for an exit, forcing most of them to merge over again.  While DE 9 is a relatively lightly used exit just after the plaza, there's no signage prior to the plaza indicating that motorists should try to keep to the right at the plaza.

When normal, everyday traffic goes thru the plaza, it works well.  When motorists not familiar with the traffic patterns use the plaza (especially weekend/holiday traffic), there's a lot more weaving after the plaza than should be necessary.

That throws me off every time I head through that area as I usually keep left to hit those EZPass lanes. I've always been more fond of the way Maryland separates it into chunks and eases those chunks together coming off the Tydings Bridge toll.

https://image.prntscr.com/image/8gR1e-S2QTqmm2qONFhbPg.png
(edit: image cannot be hotlinked)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jmacswimmer on August 19, 2021, 08:19:33 AM
What I don't like is how the lanes are striped after you go thru the plaza. 

Here's an overhead view...  https://goo.gl/maps/dLKfsG8RYMADA1ys8 .  You'll need to move it around to see everything, and even then a still picture just doesn't justify the issue because you're seeing it as a still picture, not as you're speeding up to 50 or 60 mph with other traffic right beside you.

Looking at the lanes from left to right (or in the case of the link I provided, from bottom to top), there are 13 toll lanes.  By the time you get to Route 9:

Lanes 1 - 5 Merge into 1 lane.  (Lanes 1 - 4 are typically EZ Pass only lanes).
Lane 6 continues as a single lane.
Lane 7 continues as a single lane.
Lane 8 continues as a single lane.
Lanes 9 - 13 merge into the C/D exit lane for DE 9. (Lanes 10 & 11 are typically EZ Pass only lanes)

As a result, there's an unnecessary amount of merging of traffic into a single lane for the 5 left toll lanes.  The 2 middle lanes have their own, unimpeded lane leaving the toll plaza, and the 5 right toll lanes merge into a single lane that's marked for an exit, forcing most of them to merge over again.  While DE 9 is a relatively lightly used exit just after the plaza, there's no signage prior to the plaza indicating that motorists should try to keep to the right at the plaza.

When normal, everyday traffic goes thru the plaza, it works well.  When motorists not familiar with the traffic patterns use the plaza (especially weekend/holiday traffic), there's a lot more weaving after the plaza than should be necessary.

That throws me off every time I head through that area as I usually keep left to hit those EZPass lanes.

Totally agreed here - I usually hit the E-ZPass lanes towards the right for the exact reason of avoiding the crunch of cars merging together from those left 5 toll lanes.

The part I find ironic is that DRBA does stripe the lanes to gradually fan out (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6958408,-75.5410465,3a,37.3y,282.73h,85.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6yNFaqf9r9lR-oMFaiqvtw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) approaching the toll plaza...so why they didn't do that on the side that's (arguably) more important, I will never know!

I've always been more fond of the way Maryland separates it into chunks and eases those chunks together coming off the Tydings Bridge toll.

That was a relatively recent addition when MDTA resurfaced the approach/departure from the toll plaza...prior to that, it was a massive unmarked blob (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5888734,-76.0720656,3a,75y,52.77h,86.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s36dJu83QptUBDaUoRrnkog!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en) with lane lines only resuming once the roadway narrowed back to the standard 3-lane width.

(And of course, the removal of that toll plaza is now well underway.)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 19, 2021, 09:45:12 AM
What I don't like is how the lanes are striped after you go thru the plaza...

That throws me off every time I head through that area as I usually keep left to hit those EZPass lanes.

Totally agreed here - I usually hit the E-ZPass lanes towards the right for the exact reason of avoiding the crunch of cars merging together from those left 5 toll lanes.

The part I find ironic is that DRBA does stripe the lanes to gradually fan out (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6958408,-75.5410465,3a,37.3y,282.73h,85.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6yNFaqf9r9lR-oMFaiqvtw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) approaching the toll plaza...so why they didn't do that on the side that's (arguably) more important, I will never know!

Yep. Other than the unreasonable 20 mph limit approaching the toll plaza, it's generally well striped.

I tend to stay to the right also. And for people using GPS, after the plaza they're told to keep left, and they often merge left so quickly they wind up in the lanes that are ending and need to merge back!

I've always been more fond of the way Maryland separates it into chunks and eases those chunks together coming off the Tydings Bridge toll.

That was a relatively recent addition when MDTA resurfaced the approach/departure from the toll plaza...prior to that, it was a massive unmarked blob (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5888734,-76.0720656,3a,75y,52.77h,86.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s36dJu83QptUBDaUoRrnkog!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en) with lane lines only resuming once the roadway narrowed back to the standard 3-lane width.

(And of course, the removal of that toll plaza is now well underway.)

I always thought that worked well, corralling motorists into a specific lane as they took off from the plaza.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 20, 2021, 09:09:52 AM
(For DE 279) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Elkton Road Phase 2 Project Begins on August 29 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8744)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on August 25, 2021, 05:23:23 PM
A few observations while running a couple of errands and picking up Capriotti's for lunch today.

The APL's o I-95 south for I-295 were removed and new panels for just Left Exit 5C were added in their place. This is all due to traffic being shifted over to accommodate work on the northbound side.

Most of the overheads along the Adams-Jackson section of I-95 were removed and some of the new overheads for Exit 6 are now in place. These omit SR 4.

And end shield was added for SR 491 eastbound. Parts are TriState Mall are being demolished while another section is completely shuttered. The signal for it on SR 92 (Naamans Road) should be removed at this point.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on August 25, 2021, 07:16:10 PM
Parts are TriState Mall are being demolished while another section is completely shuttered. The signal for it on SR 92 (Naamans Road) should be removed at this point.

The Tri-State Mall is slated to be rebuilt into a "Mixed-Use Lifestyle Center [Retail/Residential/Institutional]" area per the North Claymont Area Master Plan. The intention is to build a new road connecting that light on DE 92 to a new light on US 13 east of I-495 where the new Claymont Train Station is being built, then redevelop a significant chunk of the brownfields / abandoned retail in that general area.

http://www.wilmapco.org/ncamp1/ncampreport.pdf (http://www.wilmapco.org/ncamp1/ncampreport.pdf)
The TLDR of their recommendations is on Page 62. No idea what the timetable for all this work is, they should be laying the groundwork for some of these new roadway connections with the ongoing train station construction though.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on August 28, 2021, 02:02:03 AM
I know I am being a tad redundant but I have to ask:

1.  The construction at the junction of SB I-295 and I-95, what is being done and when will it be completed?
-I believe I was told they were making it so the shoulder lane on one side could be used for travel during peak times, but given the clearance and time it has taken, this seems like something more is being done.

295 will remain separate from 95 for a bit longer than present.  It'll go under 141 before it merges with I-95.

The shoulder lane is a completely separate project.  I haven't seen anything done about that, and don't know its timeline.

2.  Back in 2017 there was a lot of construction on I-295 between I-95 and the DEMB, what exactly was done?

The ramp from US 13/40 North to I-295 South was moved from being a flyover to a cloverleaf ramp.  I-495 North lost its "Exit Only" lane, and the right lane became an exit lane for both I-495 North and I-95 North.  That, in turn, modified I-295 South to be 3 continuous lanes from the toll plaza to the DE 141 Exit, where the left lane became an Exit Only lane for 141 South.

-Why would the 13/40 flyover to cloverleaf help traffic?  Normally flyovers are better.
-Why would losing the I-495 exit only lane help...and how did that make I-295 SB 3 continuous lanes (actually 4 in some spots) from the DEMB Tolls to 141?

-Also, didn't the 2017 work improve I-295 NB?
1) OK ok so let me get this straight...right now I-295 SB from the DE Bridge toll plaza is
-4 lanes to the 95 NB exit
-3 lanes to the 141 exit
-2 lanes from the 141 exit to the 95 merge just before the 141 overpass

The project now will do what exactly?
-Will it add a lane on I-295 SB so it retains 3 lanes from the 141 exit to the 95 merge (will that be the shoulder)?
-Where will the merge occur, just how far after 141 underpass?

2) 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on August 28, 2021, 02:17:30 AM
The project now will do what exactly?
-Will it add a lane on I-295 SB so it retains 3 lanes from the 141 exit to the 95 merge (will that be the shoulder)?
-Where will the merge occur, just how far after 141 underpass?

All the current project is doing for I-295 is moving the existing two lane merge to a point beyond DE 141, it's not adding any new lanes for I-295. The purpose for this slide is to space the I-495 and I-295 merges farther apart on the I-95 mainline. The shoulder lane DelDOT is thinking about adding is on the right side, it'd theoretically be born from the C/D ramp from DE 141.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on August 28, 2021, 10:54:49 AM
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-Why would the 13/40 flyover to cloverleaf help traffic?  Normally flyovers are better.

It was more like a half-flyunder.  And the reason it was removed is because it entered SB 295 on the left and then traffic had to weave over to avoid going back south on 95.  The new cloverleaf loop is much better operationally, as that traffic no longer has to weave across the SB 295-to-SB 95 traffic stream.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 28, 2021, 11:36:29 AM
-Why would the 13/40 flyover to cloverleaf help traffic?  Normally flyovers are better.

In this location it's a low-volume movement, and didn't need to join 295 South and continue as a lane.  Normally, flyovers are preferred, but it wasn't needed here.  As mentioned, operationally, it works better now.

1) OK ok so let me get this straight...right now I-295 SB from the DE Bridge toll plaza is 4 lanes to the 95 NB exit

Not really.  I-295 South is 4 lanes from the toll plaza to the 13/40 split, then it's 3 lanes wide.  The "4th lane" starts as an onramp from 13 South to 295 South, but is really just an auxiliary lane for exits to 495 North then 95 North.

Quote
3 lanes to the 141 exit
2 lanes from the 141 exit to the 95 merge just before the 141 overpass

Yes & Yes.

Quote
The project now will do what exactly?
-Will it add a lane on I-295 SB so it retains 3 lanes from the 141 exit to the 95 merge (will that be the shoulder)?

It won't add a lane immediately, but sets everything up to add a lane in the future.  To be honest, I'm not sure why they won't add the lane now.  They're already doing the work, and there's nothing to indicate they'll widen 95 south of here in the future, so there doesn't seem to be any purpose in not doing it right now.

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-Where will the merge occur, just how far after 141 underpass?

Immediately after 141.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on August 28, 2021, 02:04:33 PM
^ In regards to the US-13 North flyover, it's not like it made anything "less". The flyover was a 25 mph tight ramp that dumped you on the left lane of I-295 South. The new loop is a 25 mph tight ramp that dumps you on the right lane of I-295 South.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on August 29, 2021, 11:33:59 AM
I guess DelDOT caught the Exit 0 mistake on I-495 (for the I-295 exit) because the exit number was gone when I drove through today.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on August 30, 2021, 08:19:13 AM
I guess DelDOT caught the Exit 0 mistake on I-495 (for the I-295 exit) because the exit number was gone when I drove through today.

The lone sign for Left Exit 0 was still posted as of August 24. Photo from 12-23-18:

(https://www.aaroads.com/de/495/i-495-s-exit-001-1.jpg)

The remaining overheads omit an exit number with yellow/black Left tabs
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 30, 2021, 09:46:06 AM
(For DE 279)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Elkton Road Phase 2 Project Begins on September 12th (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8755)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on August 30, 2021, 10:29:44 AM
I guess DelDOT caught the Exit 0 mistake on I-495 (for the I-295 exit) because the exit number was gone when I drove through today.

The lone sign for Left Exit 0 was still posted as of August 24. Photo from 12-23-18:

(https://www.aaroads.com/de/495/i-495-s-exit-001-1.jpg)

The remaining overheads omit an exit number with yellow/black Left tabs

I thought I didn't see it on that sign on Saturday.  Either way, it definitely wasn't on subsequent signs.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 06, 2021, 12:06:54 PM
DelDOT's latest FY23 - FY28 CTP (https://deldot.gov/Publications/reports/CTP/index.shtml) is available to poke through, offering a glimpse at upcoming projects over the next 8 or so years. Notable projects include 3 more interchanges along US 113 in Sussex County, a 2 mile extension of Mulberry Knoll Road northward to US 9 in Lewes, and a variety of smaller improvements projects throughout the state.

Poking through the spend plan (https://deldot.gov/Publications/reports/CTP/pdfs/FY23-FY28%20Development%20Plan.pdf) reveals a bit of a deeper glimpse into the possible projects in the pipeline:
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on September 06, 2021, 03:09:45 PM
^ Regarding US 113, I was under the impression that the result of recent (i.e. over the past ~15 years) studies is that improvements would be focused along the existing US 113 alignment and that bypasses (save for what one could argue is a northern Millsboro bypass for DE 24) are no longer on the table.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on September 07, 2021, 12:22:46 AM
WTF happened tonight?
Was driving at 7 PM SB on 295 approaching the ramp to 95….when all the sudden cops blockaded the exit.
I was maybe 12 rows back, was able to luckily get on 95 N and detour at MD street to 95 south.
When I got on 95 south, at the 295 merge no cars were coming.
Construction?
Freak accident?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 07, 2021, 10:01:34 AM
WTF happened tonight?
Was driving at 7 PM SB on 295 approaching the ramp to 95….when all the sudden cops blockaded the exit.
I was maybe 12 rows back, was able to luckily get on 95 N and detour at MD street to 95 south.
When I got on 95 south, at the 295 merge no cars were coming.
Construction?
Freak accident?

Presidential motorcade if I had to guess. I believe Biden was home in Delaware this past weekend, they usually shut down SR 141 and all cross streets whenever he goes back and forth to DC.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on September 07, 2021, 10:09:52 AM
WTF happened tonight?
Was driving at 7 PM SB on 295 approaching the ramp to 95….when all the sudden cops blockaded the exit.
I was maybe 12 rows back, was able to luckily get on 95 N and detour at MD street to 95 south.
When I got on 95 south, at the 295 merge no cars were coming.
Construction?
Freak accident?

May have been related to the repaving project (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201906109#project-details3|travel-tab3) along I-95 southbound from SR 141 to SR 1.

https://twitter.com/DelDOTTraffic/status/1435098139669766147?s=19
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 07, 2021, 10:28:07 AM
WTF happened tonight?
Was driving at 7 PM SB on 295 approaching the ramp to 95….when all the sudden cops blockaded the exit.
I was maybe 12 rows back, was able to luckily get on 95 N and detour at MD street to 95 south.
When I got on 95 south, at the 295 merge no cars were coming.
Construction?
Freak accident?

Presidential motorcade if I had to guess. I believe Biden was home in Delaware this past weekend, they usually shut down SR 141 and all cross streets whenever he goes back and forth to DC.

I thought of that too...but then 95 South would've been stopped as well.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 07, 2021, 11:13:51 AM
(For DE 1)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Closure of Route 1 for Overhead Sign Installation (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8766&type=Traffic)

There must be overhead replacement going on in this area at the moment.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 07, 2021, 11:16:18 AM
WTF happened tonight?
Was driving at 7 PM SB on 295 approaching the ramp to 95….when all the sudden cops blockaded the exit.
I was maybe 12 rows back, was able to luckily get on 95 N and detour at MD street to 95 south.
When I got on 95 south, at the 295 merge no cars were coming.
Construction?
Freak accident?

Presidential motorcade if I had to guess. I believe Biden was home in Delaware this past weekend, they usually shut down SR 141 and all cross streets whenever he goes back and forth to DC.

I thought of that too...but then 95 South would've been stopped as well.

You'd think, but I've managed to accidentally slip through a motorcade roadblock once before back in high school.
Back around 2014 I was commuting down SR 1 to Tybouts Corner, getting on from I-95 northbound. One day, the ramp to SR 1 southbound was blocked by a police cruiser, so I went north instead, got off on Churchmans Road, then used the still-open ramp from there to get on SR 1 south. A couple minutes later I'm driving past the SR 273 and US 40 exits wondering why every onramp I'm driving past looks blocked, and why I'm literally the only person on SR 1 during the tail end of the morning rush. Once I get beyond US 40, I can see an entire motorcade cresting the hill about a quarter mile behind me, bearing down on me. I was exiting at SR 71 for Red Lion anyway so I never ended up directly encountering the motorcade. My running assumption is that it was then-VP Biden heading for Dover Air Force Base.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on September 07, 2021, 10:22:58 PM
(For DE 1)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Closure of Route 1 for Overhead Sign Installation (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8766&type=Traffic)

There must be overhead replacement going on in this area at the moment.

There were a couple of sets on monotube supports already in place between U.S. 40 and SR 71 two weeks ago. Should be new overhead signs for the SR 71 exit southbound and at least one for U.S. 40 on northbound.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on September 07, 2021, 11:52:36 PM
WTF happened tonight?
Was driving at 7 PM SB on 295 approaching the ramp to 95….when all the sudden cops blockaded the exit.
I was maybe 12 rows back, was able to luckily get on 95 N and detour at MD street to 95 south.
When I got on 95 south, at the 295 merge no cars were coming.
Construction?
Freak accident?

Presidential motorcade if I had to guess. I believe Biden was home in Delaware this past weekend, they usually shut down SR 141 and all cross streets whenever he goes back and forth to DC.
No.  It was not a presidential motorcade.  There were no motorcycles and the cops were DE state troopers.
WTF was this, I mean WHO plans this on Labor Day?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 08, 2021, 01:11:57 AM
WTF happened tonight?
Was driving at 7 PM SB on 295 approaching the ramp to 95….when all the sudden cops blockaded the exit.
I was maybe 12 rows back, was able to luckily get on 95 N and detour at MD street to 95 south.
When I got on 95 south, at the 295 merge no cars were coming.
Construction?
Freak accident?

Presidential motorcade if I had to guess. I believe Biden was home in Delaware this past weekend, they usually shut down SR 141 and all cross streets whenever he goes back and forth to DC.
No.  It was not a presidential motorcade.  There were no motorcycles and the cops were DE state troopers.
WTF was this, I mean WHO plans this on Labor Day?

State police is heavily involved in managing the passage of these motorcades, and Biden's notorious for having his occasional trips to and from the New Castle Airport snarl traffic at inopportune times like rush hour. It's certainly possible it wasn't the motorcade you got stopped by, but they absolutely passed through the Christiana marsh interchange at some point that evening using SR 141, and you wouldn't have seen the motorcade itself from the interstate regardless.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 08, 2021, 06:41:02 AM
WTF happened tonight?
Was driving at 7 PM SB on 295 approaching the ramp to 95….when all the sudden cops blockaded the exit.
I was maybe 12 rows back, was able to luckily get on 95 N and detour at MD street to 95 south.
When I got on 95 south, at the 295 merge no cars were coming.
Construction?
Freak accident?

Presidential motorcade if I had to guess. I believe Biden was home in Delaware this past weekend, they usually shut down SR 141 and all cross streets whenever he goes back and forth to DC.
No.  It was not a presidential motorcade.  There were no motorcycles and the cops were DE state troopers.
WTF was this, I mean WHO plans this on Labor Day?

Local troopers - State, County, and even municipal, are all involved in presidential motorcades.  They also use DelDOT trucks to help block roadways too.

Delaware does tend to screw over the out-of-town motorists travelling thru by scheduling construction on holiday weekends frequently.  I recall reading many years ago that DelDOT "apologized" for shutting down 2 of (then) 4 lanes on 95 during Columbus Day weekend to do roadwork, but that wasn't an anomaly...they do holiday road work frequently.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 08, 2021, 12:15:32 PM
Delaware does tend to screw over the out-of-town motorists travelling thru by scheduling construction on holiday weekends frequently.  I recall reading many years ago that DelDOT "apologized" for shutting down 2 of (then) 4 lanes on 95 during Columbus Day weekend to do roadwork, but that wasn't an anomaly...they do holiday road work frequently.

One of the worst traffic jams I have ever experienced was on I-95 (Connecticut Turnpike) northbound in Fairfield County.  ConnDOT had decided to shut down two of three lanes for bridge work on a late spring Friday - it was after 11 PM but traffic was extremely heavy (there had been a Yankees night game in the Bronx). 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on September 08, 2021, 09:26:26 PM
DelDOT's latest FY23 - FY28 CTP (https://deldot.gov/Publications/reports/CTP/index.shtml) is available to poke through, offering a glimpse at upcoming projects over the next 8 or so years. Notable projects include 3 more interchanges along US 113 in Sussex County, a 2 mile extension of Mulberry Knoll Road northward to US 9 in Lewes, and a variety of smaller improvements projects throughout the state.

Poking through the spend plan (https://deldot.gov/Publications/reports/CTP/pdfs/FY23-FY28%20Development%20Plan.pdf) reveals a bit of a deeper glimpse into the possible projects in the pipeline:
  • The SR 1 / US 13 Tybouts Corner interchange now has its own rebuild project earmarked for $70m.
  • The Tyler McConnell Bridge rebuild on SR 141 now specifically notes the project as extending to Alapocas Drive, indicating some possible significant reworking to SR 141's alignment and the elimination of the turn SR 141 traffic has to make to stay on the route.
  • The US 40 / SR 7 intersection is still earmarked for $50m in construction costs, making me wonder if they're considering grade separation at the location.
  • The US 113 North / South Improvements project is still earmarked for $261m. Not sure if this means DelDOT's keeping the idea of a significant freeway bypass alive around some of the larger towns along US 113, or if they're just keeping the money set aside for on-alignment improvements.

Here's an article devoted to the eastern Sussex improvements.

https://www.capegazette.com/article/deldot-adds-nine-sussex-projects-capital-program/225662
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 09, 2021, 10:51:33 AM
(For DE 2) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Route 2/Kirkwood Highway and Clifton Avenue-Flashing Red Arrow (FRA) Implementation (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8770)

(For DE 141)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Weekend Closure of Route 141 SB and Exits for Bridge Deck and Restriping (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8771)

EDIT (9-10-2021): (For US 9 TRUCK) Park Avenue Relocation Phase 2 Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15173)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on September 11, 2021, 11:45:07 PM
I guess DelDOT caught the Exit 0 mistake on I-495 (for the I-295 exit) because the exit number was gone when I drove through today.

The lone sign for Left Exit 0 was still posted as of August 24. Photo from 12-23-18:

(https://www.aaroads.com/de/495/i-495-s-exit-001-1.jpg)

The remaining overheads omit an exit number with yellow/black Left tabs

I saw that too today. I thought the signs further south had exit tabs, but maybe my memory failed me.

I did notice new signs on NB I-95 at the 495 split that say only 2 axle vehicles and buses are to proceed through the construction zone. I guess there have been too many wrecks involving tractor trailers. I didn’t see any signs in reverse coming from PA.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 11, 2021, 11:46:24 PM
I guess DelDOT caught the Exit 0 mistake on I-495 (for the I-295 exit) because the exit number was gone when I drove through today.

The lone sign for Left Exit 0 was still posted as of August 24. Photo from 12-23-18:

(https://www.aaroads.com/de/495/i-495-s-exit-001-1.jpg)

The remaining overheads omit an exit number with yellow/black Left tabs

I saw that too today. I thought the signs further south had exit tabs, but maybe my memory failed me.

I did notice new signs on NB I-95 at the 495 split that say only 2 axle vehicles and buses are to proceed through the construction zone. I guess there have been too many wrecks involving tractor trailers. I didn’t see any signs in reverse coming from PA.

I think that's to encourage trucks to use 495. They're not prohibited from using 95 though.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 14, 2021, 10:13:32 PM
To answer MASTERNC's question:

New Castle County - DelDOT Implements I-95 Northbound Construction Zone Truck Restriction (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8777)

Other news releases:

Kent County - Camden Area Projects Public Workshop/Virtual Zoom Platform Presentation (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8774)

Brandywine Valley National Scenic Byway Public Meeting (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15213) (on 9/23)

(For DE 1)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATED: Nighttime Closure of Route 1 for Overhead Sign Installation (release 1) (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8767)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATED: Nighttime Closure of Route 1 for Overhead Sign Installation (release 2) (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8766)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Closure of North Adams Street for Sign Installation (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8776)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on September 15, 2021, 09:08:52 AM
Not sure the multiple access points is an excuse for not enforcing on I-95 southbound.  There are only three points you need to watch - south of 202 (for any trucks proceeding past the exit), the North Jackson Street on-ramp, and the ramp from the Riverfront area.  When they switch sides next year, I imagine that goes down to two.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 15, 2021, 01:23:36 PM
Not sure the multiple access points is an excuse for not enforcing on I-95 southbound.  There are only three points you need to watch - south of 202 (for any trucks proceeding past the exit), the North Jackson Street on-ramp, and the ramp from the Riverfront area.  When they switch sides next year, I imagine that goes down to two.

I think it's more likely that they left southbound alone because it's been experiencing far fewer traffic-snarling wrecks than northbound has.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 15, 2021, 02:24:41 PM
(For I-95 and DE 1) Statewide - I-95/Route 1 Toll Amnesty Program to Begin October 1 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8779)

(For DE 9) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Portion of Route 9 to be Closed for Replacement of Tidal Flood Gates (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8697)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 18, 2021, 11:08:10 PM
There is a big and disastrous change for motorists on 295 South approaching 95 South.

The big change:  Traffic on 295 South has now switched over to a new roadway that maintains separation of 295 from 95 for another 1/2 mile or so, after motorists have traveled under the DE 141 Overpasses.  https://www.sr141improvements.com/2021/09/10/new-traffic-pattern-on-i95-i295-new-i-295-travel-lanes/

The disastrous change:  Motorists on 295 South now don't have 2 thru lanes after the merge with 95 South.  Just after the merge point, the left lane from 295 ends, effectively narrowing 295 down to 1 lane just as it merges with 95!  I took notice to this Friday evening.  Traffic on 295 South was backed up from US 13 to I-95.  I figured just normal Friday evening volume.  Nope...it was due to this very ill-advised lane merge!  Traffic otherwise was fairly light from this point on South to Baltimore.  I believe the change greatly benefits southbound motorists coming from 95 & 495 from Wilmington, which will now have 4 continuous lanes thru the interchange area.  While traffic on I-95 can be heavy, it didn't seem to abnormally congest.   Instead, they will severely impact traffic coming from NJ, which gets horribly pinched as it approaches 95.

Before I posted this, I tried doing some research.  DelDOT appears to be keeping this aspect of the project very, very quiet, as the closest hint I could find easily regarding this lane loss is in a vague, color-coded project phase status page, which doesn't show the actual lanes on I-295: https://live-deldot-sr-141.pantheonsite.io/construction-information/
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 19, 2021, 12:44:53 AM
There is a big and disastrous change for motorists on 295 South approaching 95 South.

The big change:  Traffic on 295 South has now switched over to a new roadway that maintains separation of 295 from 95 for another 1/2 mile or so, after motorists have traveled under the DE 141 Overpasses.  https://www.sr141improvements.com/2021/09/10/new-traffic-pattern-on-i95-i295-new-i-295-travel-lanes/

The disastrous change:  Motorists on 295 South now don't have 2 thru lanes after the merge with 95 South.  Just after the merge point, the left lane from 295 ends, effectively narrowing 295 down to 1 lane just as it merges with 95!  I took notice to this Friday evening.  Traffic on 295 South was backed up from US 13 to I-95.  I figured just normal Friday evening volume.  Nope...it was due to this very ill-advised lane merge!  Traffic otherwise was fairly light from this point on South to Baltimore.  I believe the change greatly benefits southbound motorists coming from 95 & 495 from Wilmington, which will now have 4 continuous lanes thru the interchange area.  While traffic on I-95 can be heavy, it didn't seem to abnormally congest.   Instead, they will severely impact traffic coming from NJ, which gets horribly pinched as it approaches 95.

Before I posted this, I tried doing some research.  DelDOT appears to be keeping this aspect of the project very, very quiet, as the closest hint I could find easily regarding this lane loss is in a vague, color-coded project phase status page, which doesn't show the actual lanes on I-295: https://live-deldot-sr-141.pantheonsite.io/construction-information/

We talked about this a while back, (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2542741#msg2542741) I'd found evidence of this change in the construction plans but it definitely wasn't advertised as being a major part of the project anywhere. It didn't occur to me how much of a potential mess that altered lane drop was going to create, I'm curious to see how long it holds before they reconsider the layout.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on September 19, 2021, 12:46:54 AM
The problem already is that 295 only has 2 lanes during the summer when it really needs to add 3. So whoa.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 19, 2021, 06:59:05 AM
There is a big and disastrous change for motorists on 295 South approaching 95 South.

The big change:  Traffic on 295 South has now switched over to a new roadway that maintains separation of 295 from 95 for another 1/2 mile or so, after motorists have traveled under the DE 141 Overpasses.  https://www.sr141improvements.com/2021/09/10/new-traffic-pattern-on-i95-i295-new-i-295-travel-lanes/

The disastrous change:  Motorists on 295 South now don't have 2 thru lanes after the merge with 95 South.  Just after the merge point, the left lane from 295 ends, effectively narrowing 295 down to 1 lane just as it merges with 95!  I took notice to this Friday evening.  Traffic on 295 South was backed up from US 13 to I-95.  I figured just normal Friday evening volume.  Nope...it was due to this very ill-advised lane merge!  Traffic otherwise was fairly light from this point on South to Baltimore.  I believe the change greatly benefits southbound motorists coming from 95 & 495 from Wilmington, which will now have 4 continuous lanes thru the interchange area.  While traffic on I-95 can be heavy, it didn't seem to abnormally congest.   Instead, they will severely impact traffic coming from NJ, which gets horribly pinched as it approaches 95.

Before I posted this, I tried doing some research.  DelDOT appears to be keeping this aspect of the project very, very quiet, as the closest hint I could find easily regarding this lane loss is in a vague, color-coded project phase status page, which doesn't show the actual lanes on I-295: https://live-deldot-sr-141.pantheonsite.io/construction-information/

We talked about this a while back, (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2542741#msg2542741) I'd found evidence of this change in the construction plans but it definitely wasn't advertised as being a major part of the project anywhere. It didn't occur to me how much of a potential mess that altered lane drop was going to create, I'm curious to see how long it holds before they reconsider the layout.

Thanks...I looked back a little but couldn't find it.  And I even commented about it...but I don't think I realized how close that lane would end to the gore point.  Maybe, when the final striping is done, there will be more room to merge.  But I dunno about this...real life seems to indicate that motorists on 295's right lane wouldn't merge over into the fast lane of 95 at the first moment, leading to conditions where, when 295's left lane ends, those motorists are forced to fight their way into that next lane, creating congestion.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on September 19, 2021, 12:41:03 PM
There is a big and disastrous change for motorists on 295 South approaching 95 South.

The big change:  Traffic on 295 South has now switched over to a new roadway that maintains separation of 295 from 95 for another 1/2 mile or so, after motorists have traveled under the DE 141 Overpasses.  https://www.sr141improvements.com/2021/09/10/new-traffic-pattern-on-i95-i295-new-i-295-travel-lanes/

The disastrous change:  Motorists on 295 South now don't have 2 thru lanes after the merge with 95 South.  Just after the merge point, the left lane from 295 ends, effectively narrowing 295 down to 1 lane just as it merges with 95!  I took notice to this Friday evening.  Traffic on 295 South was backed up from US 13 to I-95.  I figured just normal Friday evening volume.  Nope...it was due to this very ill-advised lane merge!  Traffic otherwise was fairly light from this point on South to Baltimore.  I believe the change greatly benefits southbound motorists coming from 95 & 495 from Wilmington, which will now have 4 continuous lanes thru the interchange area.  While traffic on I-95 can be heavy, it didn't seem to abnormally congest.   Instead, they will severely impact traffic coming from NJ, which gets horribly pinched as it approaches 95.

Before I posted this, I tried doing some research.  DelDOT appears to be keeping this aspect of the project very, very quiet, as the closest hint I could find easily regarding this lane loss is in a vague, color-coded project phase status page, which doesn't show the actual lanes on I-295: https://live-deldot-sr-141.pantheonsite.io/construction-information/

To me, an equally significant disaster is giving SB I-295 traffic a half-mile less to cross four lanes over to the right for SR 1. I don’t know how much traffic makes that move (I imagine most beach traffic, if anyone from NJ goes to the Delaware beaches over the Jersey Shore, would exit onto US 13) but you would definitely have traffic for tax-free shopping at Christiana Mall make that move.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NJRoadfan on September 19, 2021, 08:44:17 PM
That movement to DE-1 is common for more travelers now that the US-301 Middletown bypass is open. It provides an alternate route to DC and points south vs. taking I-95.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on September 19, 2021, 09:16:11 PM
That movement to DE-1 is common for more travelers now that the US-301 Middletown bypass is open. It provides an alternate route to DC and points south vs. taking I-95.

The 301 exit is south of the US 13 merge, so you could still take 13, if not for all the traffic lights
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 19, 2021, 10:21:39 PM
That movement to DE-1 is common for more travelers now that the US-301 Middletown bypass is open. It provides an alternate route to DC and points south vs. taking I-95.

The 301 exit is south of the US 13 merge, so you could still take 13, if not for all the traffic lights

Even though using 13 is 4 miles shorter, those lights generally create a longer trip overall.  I don't know what most people do, but going south, I almost always just take 295 to 95 South to 1 South.  Heading North, I'm more inclined to take US 13, mostly because 95 North approaching 295 is jammed the times I'm coming thru the area.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on September 20, 2021, 04:55:58 PM
That movement to DE-1 is common for more travelers now that the US-301 Middletown bypass is open. It provides an alternate route to DC and points south vs. taking I-95.

The 301 exit is south of the US 13 merge, so you could still take 13, if not for all the traffic lights

Even though using 13 is 4 miles shorter, those lights generally create a longer trip overall.  I don't know what most people do, but going south, I almost always just take 295 to 95 South to 1 South.  Heading North, I'm more inclined to take US 13, mostly because 95 North approaching 295 is jammed the times I'm coming thru the area.

I typically took 13 regardless of the direction I was going.  Despite the signals along 13, I saw no benefit to taking the "long way around" via 95 and 1.  I'd also often get gas & food at one of the Wawa's along 13, so I had other rationale for taking it.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mrsman on September 20, 2021, 06:53:28 PM
There is a big and disastrous change for motorists on 295 South approaching 95 South.

The big change:  Traffic on 295 South has now switched over to a new roadway that maintains separation of 295 from 95 for another 1/2 mile or so, after motorists have traveled under the DE 141 Overpasses.  https://www.sr141improvements.com/2021/09/10/new-traffic-pattern-on-i95-i295-new-i-295-travel-lanes/

The disastrous change:  Motorists on 295 South now don't have 2 thru lanes after the merge with 95 South.  Just after the merge point, the left lane from 295 ends, effectively narrowing 295 down to 1 lane just as it merges with 95!  I took notice to this Friday evening.  Traffic on 295 South was backed up from US 13 to I-95.  I figured just normal Friday evening volume.  Nope...it was due to this very ill-advised lane merge!  Traffic otherwise was fairly light from this point on South to Baltimore.  I believe the change greatly benefits southbound motorists coming from 95 & 495 from Wilmington, which will now have 4 continuous lanes thru the interchange area.  While traffic on I-95 can be heavy, it didn't seem to abnormally congest.   Instead, they will severely impact traffic coming from NJ, which gets horribly pinched as it approaches 95.

Before I posted this, I tried doing some research.  DelDOT appears to be keeping this aspect of the project very, very quiet, as the closest hint I could find easily regarding this lane loss is in a vague, color-coded project phase status page, which doesn't show the actual lanes on I-295: https://live-deldot-sr-141.pantheonsite.io/construction-information/

To me, an equally significant disaster is giving SB I-295 traffic a half-mile less to cross four lanes over to the right for SR 1. I don’t know how much traffic makes that move (I imagine most beach traffic, if anyone from NJ goes to the Delaware beaches over the Jersey Shore, would exit onto US 13) but you would definitely have traffic for tax-free shopping at Christiana Mall make that move.

Is this meant to be a temporary change due to construction, or a permanent layout change?  If it is the second, I hope that heads will roll for something so ill conceived.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on September 20, 2021, 07:21:40 PM
That movement to DE-1 is common for more travelers now that the US-301 Middletown bypass is open. It provides an alternate route to DC and points south vs. taking I-95.

The 301 exit is south of the US 13 merge, so you could still take 13, if not for all the traffic lights

Even though using 13 is 4 miles shorter, those lights generally create a longer trip overall.  I don't know what most people do, but going south, I almost always just take 295 to 95 South to 1 South.  Heading North, I'm more inclined to take US 13, mostly because 95 North approaching 295 is jammed the times I'm coming thru the area.
295 is so bad that enough people exit to 13 that they generally balance each other and you're better off using 9.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on September 21, 2021, 12:59:07 AM
^ IIRC, Delaware also signs the main route to/from Dover and the NJTP as following US-13 as opposed to DE-1 and I-95/I-295.

And as you mention, if all traffic was truly following the freeway route, how much worse would traffic be on there?

US-13 is at grade, but it’s still a higher quality design and isn’t the worst. I’ve personally utilized both routes before, though usually just follow US-13.

In reality, US-13 should just be upgraded to a full freeway design between DE-1 and I-295, but that’s likely to never happen. It almost serves as a “gap”  in the freeway system for that heavy traffic movement between DE-1 and the NJTP.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 21, 2021, 11:14:10 AM
^ IIRC, Delaware also signs the main route to/from Dover and the NJTP as following US-13 as opposed to DE-1 and I-95/I-295.

Delaware doesn't really sign any route as the main route.  The DRBA has signage (advertising) to get to the CBBT and the Cape May Lewis Ferry, which instructs motorists to us Exit 4A to DE 1 (They apparently forget to omit that Exit 4A is on I-95 South!) https://goo.gl/maps/YfxfbukWcsDXmYaR6

The BGS for the 13/40 exit coming up is signed for Dover and Wilmington, as they are appropriate control cities for those routes. 

But for motorists who are eventually getting to DE 1 and points south (across the C&D canal), no transportation department encourages any specific route.

And as you mention, if all traffic was truly following the freeway route, how much worse would traffic be on there?

US-13 is at grade, but it’s still a higher quality design and isn’t the worst. I’ve personally utilized both routes before, though usually just follow US-13.

In reality, US-13 should just be upgraded to a full freeway design between DE-1 and I-295, but that’s likely to never happen. It almost serves as a “gap”  in the freeway system for that heavy traffic movement between DE-1 and the NJTP.

Much of this plays into the redundancy of the overall roadway system.  The removal of any one route for any reason would cause traffic to be much heavier on alternate routes.  Some people will avoid I-95 no matter what.  Some people will avoid US 13 no matter what.  Traffic, relatively speaking, evens itself out due to these factors.

As far as upgrading US 13 to full freeway, not sure if it was you or someone else that mentioned it before, but it would be nearly impossible on its current routing (for the reasons why someone like froggie uses it), and the 'gap' is resolved by simply using I-95.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: plain on September 21, 2021, 06:18:38 PM
Yeah I would leave things exactly the way they are (of course improving I-295 and I-95 even more in the area would certainly be welcomed). I use either the all freeway route or the US 13 route, depends on the time of day and/or wether or not I want to make a stop. It's actually pretty nice to have that option there.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on September 21, 2021, 08:35:48 PM
Delaware doesn't really sign any route as the main route.  The DRBA has signage (advertising) to get to the CBBT and the Cape May Lewis Ferry, which instructs motorists to us Exit 4A to DE 1 (They apparently forget to omit that Exit 4A is on I-95 South!) https://goo.gl/maps/YfxfbukWcsDXmYaR6
Northbound, at the US-13 / DE-1 split, US-13 is signed as “To I-295”  and “NJ-NY” .

https://goo.gl/maps/w89HUZ3jPB7GyDzv7

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The BGS for the 13/40 exit coming up is signed for Dover and Wilmington, as they are appropriate control cities for those routes.

But for motorists who are eventually getting to DE 1 and points south (across the C&D canal), no transportation department encourages any specific route.
Which is where Dover is… much further south.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 21, 2021, 09:57:37 PM
Delaware doesn't really sign any route as the main route.  The DRBA has signage (advertising) to get to the CBBT and the Cape May Lewis Ferry, which instructs motorists to us Exit 4A to DE 1 (They apparently forget to omit that Exit 4A is on I-95 South!) https://goo.gl/maps/YfxfbukWcsDXmYaR6
Northbound, at the US-13 / DE-1 split, US-13 is signed as “To I-295”  and “NJ-NY” .

https://goo.gl/maps/w89HUZ3jPB7GyDzv7

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The BGS for the 13/40 exit coming up is signed for Dover and Wilmington, as they are appropriate control cities for those routes.

But for motorists who are eventually getting to DE 1 and points south (across the C&D canal), no transportation department encourages any specific route.
Which is where Dover is… much further south.

We know you know how control cities work, and that they aren't necessarily signing the 'main' route.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=13255.msg2630202#msg2630202

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on September 21, 2021, 11:07:24 PM
Yeah I would leave things exactly the way they are (of course improving I-295 and I-95 even more in the area would certainly be welcomed). I use either the all freeway route or the US 13 route, depends on the time of day and/or wether or not I want to make a stop. It's actually pretty nice to have that option there.
I would use all that swampland and build a freeway connecting DE 1 directly into I-295, bypassing the stretch of I-95.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: plain on September 22, 2021, 12:01:11 AM
Yeah I would leave things exactly the way they are (of course improving I-295 and I-95 even more in the area would certainly be welcomed). I use either the all freeway route or the US 13 route, depends on the time of day and/or wether or not I want to make a stop. It's actually pretty nice to have that option there.
I would use all that swampland and build a freeway connecting DE 1 directly into I-295, bypassing the stretch of I-95.

I hope you're not serious.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on September 22, 2021, 12:06:22 AM
Yeah I would leave things exactly the way they are (of course improving I-295 and I-95 even more in the area would certainly be welcomed). I use either the all freeway route or the US 13 route, depends on the time of day and/or wether or not I want to make a stop. It's actually pretty nice to have that option there.
I would use all that swampland and build a freeway connecting DE 1 directly into I-295, bypassing the stretch of I-95.

I hope you're not serious.
Why not? An elevated freeway with minimal disturbance, a ton of unused land sitting there.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: plain on September 22, 2021, 12:37:03 AM
Drainage, wetlands, and whatever natural habitat is left just east of the mall? There would have to be some real fancy flyovers here. Almost Glen Canyon like.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 22, 2021, 03:13:28 PM
Yeah I would leave things exactly the way they are (of course improving I-295 and I-95 even more in the area would certainly be welcomed). I use either the all freeway route or the US 13 route, depends on the time of day and/or wether or not I want to make a stop. It's actually pretty nice to have that option there.
I would use all that swampland and build a freeway connecting DE 1 directly into I-295, bypassing the stretch of I-95.

I hope you're not serious.
Why not? An elevated freeway with minimal disturbance, a ton of unused land sitting there.

I have always thought that a US 13 freeway from DE 1 to I-495 was the best option here.

In other news: TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Delaware Memorial Bridge UHPC Project Requires Continuous Lane Closures
 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8793)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on September 22, 2021, 06:54:42 PM
Drainage, wetlands, and whatever natural habitat is left just east of the mall? There would have to be some real fancy flyovers here. Almost Glen Canyon like.
*shrug* wetlands disturbances can always be mitigated. I imagine the reason they're not doing anything in there is because there's not really that much demand for that land. If Wilmington was like, say, Charlotte NC, you'd see it get filled in and mitigated elsewhere.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 22, 2021, 07:19:39 PM
Yeah I would leave things exactly the way they are (of course improving I-295 and I-95 even more in the area would certainly be welcomed). I use either the all freeway route or the US 13 route, depends on the time of day and/or wether or not I want to make a stop. It's actually pretty nice to have that option there.
I would use all that swampland and build a freeway connecting DE 1 directly into I-295, bypassing the stretch of I-95.

I hope you're not serious.
Why not? An elevated freeway with minimal disturbance, a ton of unused land sitting there.

I have always thought that a US 13 freeway from DE 1 to I-495 was the best option here.

In other news: TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Delaware Memorial Bridge UHPC Project Requires Continuous Lane Closures
 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8793)

I remember someone...I think it was Steve Anderson...mention this year that the DRBA did that ultra-high performance overlay last year.  Honestly it was a bit of a head scratcher because the bridge is seemingly made up of nothing but patches from repair projects.  So I good a good, long look on a fairly quiet traffic day.  And couldn't find any evidence of this work.  So my next few trips, I looked again.  Looked at different lanes.  Still, nothing that shows where they put down this overlay. 

If anyone has evidence of where it was done, I'll be more than happy to see it. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 22, 2021, 10:47:12 PM
Yeah I would leave things exactly the way they are (of course improving I-295 and I-95 even more in the area would certainly be welcomed). I use either the all freeway route or the US 13 route, depends on the time of day and/or wether or not I want to make a stop. It's actually pretty nice to have that option there.
I would use all that swampland and build a freeway connecting DE 1 directly into I-295, bypassing the stretch of I-95.

I hope you're not serious.
Why not? An elevated freeway with minimal disturbance, a ton of unused land sitting there.

I have always thought that a US 13 freeway from DE 1 to I-495 was the best option here.

In other news: TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Delaware Memorial Bridge UHPC Project Requires Continuous Lane Closures
 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8793)

I've long wondered about building some sort of viaduct structure over I-95 through the marsh in order to give it some sort of 4-3-3-4 configuration (or similar). Between I-95, I-495, I-295, DE 1, and DE 141, you've got five different freeways slamming local and regional traffic together. Traffic's going to continue to be bad through the marsh until something's done to separate and better sort the traffic flowing through the marsh.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 22, 2021, 11:15:08 PM
Kent County - Kent County East-West Truck Study Virtual Public Workshop (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8792)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 24, 2021, 01:45:47 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Closure of I-295 SB at Exit 5 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8797)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 27, 2021, 03:36:52 PM
(For DE 1) SR 1 WIDENING, ROAD A TO TYBOUTS CORNER Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T200511001)

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Wednesday
October 27, 2021
5:00 PM to 6:00 PM

Virtual Public Workshop: Live Q&A with the Project Team


Presentation to begin at 5:00 PM.  There will be a Q&A with the project team after the presentation ends. The workshop will end when there are no further questions.


Register to participate in the virtual public workshop.

I guess that you cannot actually register yet.  All of the links go to the November 19, 2020, virtual public meeting.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 29, 2021, 09:43:58 AM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Closure of Exit 7A/I-95 SB Off Ramp to 11th Street/Delaware Avenue for Ramp Reconstruction (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8803&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 01, 2021, 01:35:29 PM
Statewide - Margaret Rose Henry Bridge Project finalist for National Award (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8806)

We were near this bridge during roadwaywiz's DE meet back in July.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 06, 2021, 03:25:17 PM
(For DE 16) Sussex County - Removal of Railroad Crossing on Route 16 to Orchard Road (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8812&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on October 06, 2021, 04:06:22 PM
DelDOT seems to be trying to mitigate accidents on the SB I-95 curve south of US 202.  There are now flashing LEDs on the curve warning sign and flashing chevrons along the curve.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 07, 2021, 09:54:34 AM
(For DE 141) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Closure of Exit 3B for Overhead Sign Installation (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8705&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on October 14, 2021, 08:53:39 AM
So is the 295 SB/95 merge project done?  Seems to be.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 15, 2021, 09:56:09 AM
(For I-95)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Temporary Closure of Newark Toll Plaza EZ Pass Lanes for Patching and Striping (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8828)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 15, 2021, 11:59:31 AM
(For I-95)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Temporary Closure of Newark Toll Plaza EZ Pass Lanes for Patching and Striping (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8828)

I wonder if they meant "overnight" lane closures.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 21, 2021, 11:06:35 AM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95 and I-495 Nighttime Lane Closures for Weigh-in-Motion (WIM) Installation (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8833&type=Traffic)

EDIT (10-22-2021):  (For DE 24) TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Update of Route 24, Mulberry Knoll to Route 1 Project (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8830)

(For DE 1 and DE 16) TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Route 1 and Route 16 Advanced Utility Relocations Daytime Lane Shifts and Shoulder Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8836)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Closure of I-295 SB at Exit 5 AND I-95 SB at Exit 5A (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8797)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 25, 2021, 08:45:44 AM
(For I-95)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Temporary Closure of Newark Toll Plaza EZ Pass Lanes for Patching and Striping (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8828)

I wonder if they meant "overnight" lane closures.

(For I-95) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATED: Temporary Closure of Newark Toll Plaza EZ Pass Lanes for Patching and Striping (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8828)

It seems to be a continuous closure.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on October 27, 2021, 04:02:15 PM
Looking at the DelDOT webcams at https://deldot.gov/map/index.shtml , I see activity/equipment/coils of what looks like black electrical cables ready to be buried.  This is in the NW corner of the SR 1 & 16 intersection.  Is this an indicator of the start of prelim work re building the interchange at that junction?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 27, 2021, 05:18:56 PM
Looking at the DelDOT webcams at https://deldot.gov/map/index.shtml , I see activity/equipment/coils of what looks like black electrical cables ready to be buried.  This is in the NW corner of the SR 1 & 16 intersection.  Is this an indicator of the start of prelim work re building the interchange at that junction?

Should be, the project's slated to start this fall starting with utility relocations.
https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201500301 (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201500301)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 28, 2021, 10:16:55 AM
(For I-95/DE 273 Interchange) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Closure of I-95 NB Ramp to Route 273 EB for Guardrail and Paving (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8846&type=Traffic)

(For DE 24)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Update of Route 24, Mulberry Knoll to Route 1 Project (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8830&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 28, 2021, 12:23:28 PM
DelDOT is suggesting replacing the DE 1 / DE 273 interchange with a SPUI. They've also included an extra signalized right turn lane coming off the DE 1 SB ramp to provide access to DE 7 SB, a feature deliberately left out in previous concepts. If built, the SPUI would be the state's first.

Workshop Presentation (https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=8768501&iProjectObjectID=2579)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 01, 2021, 09:14:34 AM
(For I-95)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Temporary Closure of Newark Toll Plaza EZ Pass Lanes for Patching and Striping (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8828)



I wonder if they meant "overnight" lane closures.

(For I-95) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATED: Temporary Closure of Newark Toll Plaza EZ Pass Lanes for Patching and Striping (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8828)

It seems to be a continuous closure.

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATED: Temporary Closure of Newark Toll Plaza EZ Pass Lanes for Patching and Striping
 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8828)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on November 01, 2021, 10:34:18 AM
I see when they redid Delaware House they replaced the guides that were Denny” s restaurant shaped signs.

Haven’t been that way in over twelve years, but I always thought they were cool. You have to go back to 2008 on GSV to find crappy photos of those neat guides.  Also the ball park parking lot mast lighting poles were neat too. Now typical lighting as the LEDs provide same electrics usage as the fewer old ones that were there.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mrcmc888 on November 02, 2021, 03:46:42 PM
I see when they redid Delaware House they replaced the guides that were Denny” s restaurant shaped signs.

Haven’t been that way in over twelve years, but I always thought they were cool. You have to go back to 2008 on GSV to find crappy photos of those neat guides.  Also the ball park parking lot mast lighting poles were neat too. Now typical lighting as the LEDs provide same electrics usage as the fewer old ones that were there.
There seems to be a lot of unique signage in the Wilmington area that's getting replaced.  I wasn't around to see the Denny's shaped signs though since I only moved here in 2017.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 02, 2021, 06:43:25 PM
I see when they redid Delaware House they replaced the guides that were Denny” s restaurant shaped signs.

Not sure what they were originally, but the shape reminded me of Sinclair Oil
signs from the 1960's (Sinclair was once quite common in the East before
selling their assets to BP).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on November 02, 2021, 08:05:02 PM
I see when they redid Delaware House they replaced the guides that were Denny” s restaurant shaped signs.

Not sure what they were originally, but the shape reminded me of Sinclair Oil
signs from the 1960's
(Sinclair was once quite common in the East before
selling their assets to BP).

Same here.  I do, though, remember at least one of those signs that *did* have the shape of a Denny's sign, mounted on the DE 273 overpass (after the ramp for EB/WB 273 veers off) for 95 southbounders.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on November 02, 2021, 08:07:20 PM
The DE 16 bridge over the Nanticoke River between US 13 and DE 36 is closed for deck repair.

https://www.wrde.com/story/45112356/construction-repairs-for-a-bridge-on-route-16-causes-detours-in-greenwood
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 02, 2021, 10:43:10 PM
DelDOT is suggesting replacing the DE 1 / DE 273 interchange with a SPUI. They've also included an extra signalized right turn lane coming off the DE 1 SB ramp to provide access to DE 7 SB, a feature deliberately left out in previous concepts. If built, the SPUI would be the state's first.

Workshop Presentation (https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=8768501&iProjectObjectID=2579)

I noticed that they claim this design allows the Park and Ride to remain.  Alternatives 1, 2 & 3 all have similar conditions at the 273 & 1 light, but they said the P&R couldn't remain.  Modified Alternatives 1, 2 & 3 don't really change the proposed redesign of DE 7 North approaching and north of DE 273, yet allow the P&R to remain. 

The SPUI doesn't really change the location of the stop line for 273 East.  For traffic on 273 West wanting to turn left onto DE 7 South, they have a very limited area to access to the dual lane left turn lane.

I don't have a problem with the SPUI itself, but it doesn't really appear to resolve some of the objectives of the project; namely the issues of traffic between 1 & 7.  Alternative 4 actually does a decent job with that aspect, albeit at the expense of an extra intersection to access DE 273 East.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on November 03, 2021, 02:11:45 AM
I noticed that they claim this design allows the Park and Ride to remain.  Alternatives 1, 2 & 3 all have similar conditions at the 273 & 1 light, but they said the P&R couldn't remain.  Modified Alternatives 1, 2 & 3 don't really change the proposed redesign of DE 7 North approaching and north of DE 273, yet allow the P&R to remain. 

As far as I understand it they've been trying to move the P&R to the mall and figured now was the time to yank it, though it seems counterintuitive since it's further from the residential areas it's serving.

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I don't have a problem with the SPUI itself, but it doesn't really appear to resolve some of the objectives of the project; namely the issues of traffic between 1 & 7.  Alternative 4 actually does a decent job with that aspect, albeit at the expense of an extra intersection to access DE 273 East.

I've dealt with this area extensively for the past several years and am pretty confident the SPUI is the way to go. The biggest issue with the ramp off DE 1 south is the left turn to DE 273 east clogging the ramp all the way back onto the freeway due to the single lane configuration and the two signals it has to cross to get through the interchange fully. Alternative 4 still requires all traffic bound for DE 273 east to neck down into a single lane, then runs it all through three total signals to exit the interchange. The SPUI gives that traffic two full lanes through a single signal to exit the interchange.
The traffic between 1 & 7 I think is going to benefit greatly from the dedicated right turn lane coupled with the reduced congestion from eastbound traffic, not to mention the Newtown Road ramps helping to split the load.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on November 03, 2021, 09:26:09 PM
So is the DE 295/95 project done?
If so, well done though I can't help but think 95 should be 6 lanes to DE-1, then 5 lanes until after the rest stop.
Speaking of which, what is the construction going on just north of the rest stop?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 03, 2021, 09:39:33 PM
Speaking of which, what is the construction going on just north of the rest stop?

Widening and replacing the overpass for Chapman Road.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 04, 2021, 10:45:38 AM
(For I-95 and DE 141)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Paving Will Require Multiple Ramp Closures on I-95 SB and Route 141 NB/SB (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8856&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 04, 2021, 03:20:28 PM
(For I-95 SB) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Temporary Closure of Newark Toll Plaza EZ Pass Lanes for Patching and Striping (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8828)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 05, 2021, 07:31:06 AM
(For DE 9)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Portion of Route 9/St. Augustine Road Closed Due to Wash Out (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8857)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 09, 2021, 08:41:25 AM
(For DE 9) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATED Portion of Route 9 is Open to Traffic (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8785&type=Traffic)  (unrelated to the washout in the above news release)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 09, 2021, 02:35:47 PM
The DE 16 bridge over the Nanticoke River between US 13 and DE 36 is closed for deck repair.

https://www.wrde.com/story/45112356/construction-repairs-for-a-bridge-on-route-16-causes-detours-in-greenwood

(For DE 16) TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - UPDATED: Portion of Route 16 will be Closed for Bridge Deck Repair (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8840)

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Times and Dates: 7 AM on Tuesday, November 2 until 11 PM on Wednesday, November 24, pending weather. (The work has been extended to Wednesday, November 24)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 09, 2021, 09:38:27 PM
(For I-95 SB) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Temporary Closure of Newark Toll Plaza EZ Pass Lanes for Patching and Striping (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8828)

Viewing the traffic cams today, the EZ Pass express lanes were open.  Viewing the cams right now, they are open also.  And this is a good weather week for doing what they need to do.  So not sure what's happening with these closures that aren't happening...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 10, 2021, 01:46:30 PM
(For DE 273)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATE: Placement of Bridge Girders Will Require a Portion of I-95 SB to be Closed at Night (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8849)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on November 12, 2021, 07:25:36 PM
Looks like the DE 24 bypass of Millsboro will have ground broken for same in 2023.

https://www.coastalpoint.com/news/millsboro-bypass-work-set-to-begin-in-2023/article_6bec9f30-4306-11ec-a15e-e321f0ab4e03.html
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: kernals12 on November 13, 2021, 11:13:53 AM
With the improvements being planned on US 113, my dream of a Delmarva North South Freeway is getting closer to reality

(https://i.imgur.com/spk8mPb.jpg)

But we have to be careful not to let Maryland know about this possibility, or else they'll back out for fear of losing toll revenue from 95.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 13, 2021, 12:06:30 PM

But we have to be careful not to let Maryland know about this possibility, or else they'll back out for fear of losing toll revenue from 95.

How could this possibly impact 95 tolling in Maryland? Is there a large number of motorists that take 95 North over the Susquehanna or thru Baltimore to go towards Southern Delaware that suddenly won't with 113 being limited access?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on November 13, 2021, 03:03:37 PM
^ He may be referring to "through traffic", conveniently forgetting that any such traffic using the Delmarva will still have to contend with the CBBT toll and about 2-dozen signals on the Virginia Eastern Shore.

So no, it won't have a big impact on I-95 MD...


Something else he's conveniently forgetting:  a Milford bypass is dead.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 13, 2021, 03:15:29 PM
^ He may be referring to "through traffic", conveniently forgetting that any such traffic using the Delmarva will still have to contend with the CBBT toll and about 2-dozen signals on the Virginia Eastern Shore.

So no, it won't have a big impact on I-95 MD...


Something else he's conveniently forgetting:  a Milford bypass is dead.

I played with the options for a bit.  If one is already in Delmarva, it'll add well over 1 hour just to get back to 95 in regular traffic.  There's no reason to avoid lower Delaware now.

If one is below the CBBT, depending on their starting/ending point, times are relatively equal if one takes 95 or drives thru Delmarva into Delaware.  But the CBBT toll, along with the DE 1 toll, would be equal or greater than the 95 tolls.  A limited access 113 would speed things up a little bit, but over 6+ hours and hundreds of miles, too many variables to deal with.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: kernals12 on November 13, 2021, 03:30:35 PM
^ He may be referring to "through traffic", conveniently forgetting that any such traffic using the Delmarva will still have to contend with the CBBT toll and about 2-dozen signals on the Virginia Eastern Shore.

So no, it won't have a big impact on I-95 MD...


Something else he's conveniently forgetting:  a Milford bypass is dead.

I played with the options for a bit.  If one is already in Delmarva, it'll add well over 1 hour just to get back to 95 in regular traffic.  There's no reason to avoid lower Delaware now.

If one is below the CBBT, depending on their starting/ending point, times are relatively equal if one takes 95 or drives thru Delmarva into Delaware.  But the CBBT toll, along with the DE 1 toll, would be equal or greater than the 95 tolls.  A limited access 113 would speed things up a little bit, but over 6+ hours and hundreds of miles, too many variables to deal with.

I-95 between Richmond and Baltimore, particularly between Fredericksburg and the Beltway, is one of the worst traffic bottlenecks in the country.

A Delmarva Freeway, combined with the planned I-87, would offer an alternative to that mess. Not only would it be faster, but the travel times would be more consistent, which is crucial for modern just-in-time supply chains.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on November 13, 2021, 03:44:03 PM
^ He may be referring to "through traffic", conveniently forgetting that any such traffic using the Delmarva will still have to contend with the CBBT toll and about 2-dozen signals on the Virginia Eastern Shore.

So no, it won't have a big impact on I-95 MD...


Something else he's conveniently forgetting:  a Milford bypass is dead.

I played with the options for a bit.  If one is already in Delmarva, it'll add well over 1 hour just to get back to 95 in regular traffic.  There's no reason to avoid lower Delaware now.

If one is below the CBBT, depending on their starting/ending point, times are relatively equal if one takes 95 or drives thru Delmarva into Delaware.  But the CBBT toll, along with the DE 1 toll, would be equal or greater than the 95 tolls.  A limited access 113 would speed things up a little bit, but over 6+ hours and hundreds of miles, too many variables to deal with.

I-95 between Richmond and Baltimore, particularly between Fredericksburg and the Beltway, is one of the worst traffic bottlenecks in the country.

A Delmarva Freeway, combined with the planned I-87, would offer an alternative to that mess. Not only would it be faster, but the travel times would be more consistent, which is crucial for modern just-in-time supply chains.
Agreed… but there would be no viable competition with I-95 unless the entirety of US-13 / US-113 was upgraded through Delaware, Maryland, and Virginia.

This project will control the access in some areas of US-113 and add interchanges to replace many signals, but there will not be a full freeway throughout, and either way is only limited to Delaware.

There was an original proposal to construct a full freeway alignment down to the Maryland state line, but has been scaled back significantly due to opposition to such a project. Not that I agree, I am fully in the position there should be a freeway into Maryland, but that’s simply not reality.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: RoadPelican on November 13, 2021, 08:34:56 PM
As for the best state to drive on the US 113 to US 13 corridor, It would have to be Maryland, only 6 stoplights in their 38 mile stretch of US 113.  Good planning by them with the Berlin Bypass in the 1950's, the Snow Hill Bypass in the 1970's.  The early 2000's widening is great especially with the interchange at MD 589 and the newly widened stretch between Snow Hill and Berlin features many J-turns and RIROs.  Only one stoplight from south of Berlin to Pocomoke City.

This is a far cry from what drivers face in Virginia and Delaware.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on November 13, 2021, 08:42:07 PM
US-13 in Maryland (between Salisbury and Pocomoke) is higher quality than US-113, IMO, given it has limited access throughout without private driveway connections, then of course the full freeway bypass around Salisbury.

The only problem that makes US-13 less viable, however, is Delaware.

US-113 in Maryland is still a high quality roadway though.

If a true freeway was ever sought after on the Eastern Shore, I’d say use a majority of Delaware’s US-113, a majority of Maryland’s US-13, then build a connector between the two north of Salisbury.

US-13 in Virginia is a joke - and they have still continued to add new signals.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: vdeane on November 13, 2021, 09:45:04 PM
A Delmarva Freeway, combined with the planned I-87, would offer an alternative to that mess. Not only would it be faster, but the travel times would be more consistent, which is crucial for modern just-in-time supply chains.
After what happened in March 2020, I'm of the opinion that just-in-time supply chains should be outlawed.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Rothman on November 14, 2021, 01:21:53 AM
US-13 in Maryland (between Salisbury and Pocomoke) is higher quality than US-113, IMO, given it has limited access throughout without private driveway connections, then of course the full freeway bypass around Salisbury.

The only problem that makes US-13 less viable, however, is Delaware.

US-113 in Maryland is still a high quality roadway though.

If a true freeway was ever sought after on the Eastern Shore, I’d say use a majority of Delaware’s US-113, a majority of Maryland’s US-13, then build a connector between the two north of Salisbury.

US-13 in Virginia is a joke - and they have still continued to add new signals.
13 in VA on the north side of the CBBT is absolutely miserable.  One local yokel triggers the light to turn red at various signals through there.  It's absurd and infuriating.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on November 14, 2021, 01:55:11 AM
US-13 in Maryland (between Salisbury and Pocomoke) is higher quality than US-113, IMO, given it has limited access throughout without private driveway connections, then of course the full freeway bypass around Salisbury.

The only problem that makes US-13 less viable, however, is Delaware.

US-113 in Maryland is still a high quality roadway though.

If a true freeway was ever sought after on the Eastern Shore, I’d say use a majority of Delaware’s US-113, a majority of Maryland’s US-13, then build a connector between the two north of Salisbury.

US-13 in Virginia is a joke - and they have still continued to add new signals.
13 in VA on the north side of the CBBT is absolutely miserable.  One local yokel triggers the light to turn red at various signals through there.  It's absurd and infuriating.
Pretty much. After slogging through 2-4 signals in a town that are definitely not timed together, the speed limit bumps up to 55 mph, you might get to cruise for a few minutes at 65-70 mph, then you hit the next town, and repeat. 60-ish miles later, you enter Maryland, get to US-113, and finally where you can set the cruise at 70 mph and go on about your day without any more interruptions, at least not nearly as frequently.

Then you hit Delaware, and it's Virginia's situation on repeat, except with significantly more traffic.

VDOT seemingly treats US-13 as a local roadway, and not as a high quality arterial highway with a goal of limiting signals through RIRO, J-Cuts, and even strategically placed interchanges at high volume intersections. A few town bypasses as well. Even without a full freeway treatment, US-13 needs some sort of upgrading in Virginia.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 14, 2021, 08:42:43 AM

VDOT seemingly treats US-13 as a local roadway, and not as a high quality arterial highway with a goal of limiting signals through RIRO, J-Cuts, and even strategically placed interchanges at high volume intersections. A few town bypasses as well. Even without a full freeway treatment, US-13 needs some sort of upgrading in Virginia.

There could be some intention with that. VDOT is on the mindset that they don't mind people visiting the area and enjoying the ride across the bay, but they don't want to make it an easy alternative to 95. I think the locals that live in the area prefer it that way also, and want to discourage any change it could become a suburb of Norfolk.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on November 14, 2021, 10:59:34 AM
^ The problem with that, is from the Hampton Roads area itself, US-13 functions as the main north-south highway to the Northeast. It may a “shortcut”  or “alternative”  for I-95 traffic, but it is the main highway for a metropolitan area of nearly 2 million to Philadelphia, New York City, and all of the Northeast. Sure, you can head inland on I-64 to I-95, but you’re easily adding over an hour, especially if you factor in Northern Virginia and I-95 traffic in general.

I don’t think the issue of suburbanization is one, especially with the bridge-tunnel’s high toll acting as an artificial barrier.

The southern few miles of US-13 on the Eastern Shore is already high quality, limited access design, and it hasn’t attracted development on that southern portion, the most likely starting point for sprawl from Hampton Roads to begin.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 14, 2021, 11:19:49 AM
^ The problem with that, is from the Hampton Roads area itself, US-13 functions as the main north-south highway to the Northeast. It may a “shortcut”  or “alternative”  for I-95 traffic, but it is the main highway for a metropolitan area of nearly 2 million to Philadelphia, New York City, and all of the Northeast. Sure, you can head inland on I-64 to I-95, but you’re easily adding over an hour, especially if you factor in Northern Virginia and I-95 traffic in general.

I don’t think the issue of suburbanization is one, especially with the bridge-tunnel’s high toll acting as an artificial barrier.

The southern few miles of US-13 on the Eastern Shore is already high quality, limited access design, and it hasn’t attracted development on that southern portion, the most likely starting point for sprawl from Hampton Roads to begin.

The CBBT has a commuter plan: $6 per crossing if 30 one way crossings are made within 30 days. At $12 round trip, it's fairly reasonable.

I think the main highway may be pushing it a bit. Certainly the shortest highway, but if a 4 lane US 13 with traffic lights and low speed limits thru towns can handle traffic with little congestion, that's not supporting the theory its the main highway.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on November 15, 2021, 01:31:55 AM
DE 30 is looking at a pretty significant truncation within the next couple months, everything southwest of Millsboro is getting deleted. Most of the to-be-deleted portion of DE 30 consists of relatively untouched rural back roads, however the proposed changes do leave an awkward 0.9mi stretch of Millsboro Highway unsigned between DE 24 / 26.

DelDOT Truncation Study (https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/proposed-SR30-declassification-west-of-Millsboro/)

(https://i.imgur.com/U2csVe0.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/R0sCRld.png)

I sort of wish they'd instead trim back DE 26 and designate all of Millsboro Highway to the Maryland line as DE 30 for the sake of having a consistent number following the corridor to Millsboro, though admittedly it's not the biggest deal given the light traffic and lack of development in the area.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 15, 2021, 06:35:51 AM
Interesting though that this does set up DE 30 to follow the North Millsboro Bypass to end at US 113 if DelDOT chooses to do so.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on November 15, 2021, 08:17:34 AM
Could the 0.9 miles be a lettered spur of 24 or 26?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on November 16, 2021, 07:19:52 AM
With the improvements being planned on US 113, my dream of a Delmarva North South Freeway is getting closer to reality

(https://i.imgur.com/spk8mPb.jpg)

But we have to be careful not to let Maryland know about this possibility, or else they'll back out for fear of losing toll revenue from 95.

Are all those dots on that map going to be interchanges?  :confused:
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on November 16, 2021, 09:03:40 AM
DE 30 is looking at a pretty significant truncation within the next couple months, everything southwest of Millsboro is getting deleted. Most of the to-be-deleted portion of DE 30 consists of relatively untouched rural back roads, however the proposed changes do leave an awkward 0.9mi stretch of Millsboro Highway unsigned between DE 24 / 26.

DelDOT Truncation Study (https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/proposed-SR30-declassification-west-of-Millsboro/)

Delaware state route system changes over the last 30 plus years:
1988 - SR 2 Business in Newark established
1991 - SR 20 extended east from Millsboro to SR 54, and then alongside SR 54 to SR 1
1993 - SR 286 added
1993 - SR 15 extended north to Summit Bridge
1994 - SR 30 extended south
1995 - SR 1D designated
1995 - SR 7 extended south from Red Lion over what was U.S. 13 to Wrangle Hill.
2004 - SR 54 ALT established
2008 - SR 24 ALT recommended
2019 - US 301 / First Responders Memorial Highway completed

2004 - U.S. 113 truncated north of Milford, 2.29 miles of Bay Road decertified as a numbered route
2014 - SR 2 Business decommissioned, SR 2 truncated, SR 279 established
2017 - SR 24 ALT all signs removed along the 17.7 mile long route
2019 - SR 34 decommissioned. The route was 3.30 miles long.
2019 - 0.84 mile section of Middletown Warwick Road that was U.S. 301 decertified as a numbered route
2019 - SR 54 ALT all signs removed along the 8.5 mile long route

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In an effort to increase safety and enhance mobility along rural roadways in Delaware, DelDOT’s Traffic Engineering Section is proposing the partial removal of the SR 30 designation in south-central Sussex County due to the complex, tangled nature of its routing amongst SRs 24, 26, and 54.

Ah yes, safety and mobility, the key words used by DOT's to justify just about any proposal.
Less numbered routes for motorists enhances mobility? How so? Seems to me that it is better to disperse traffic among multiple routes, even if slightly (given the low traffic counts of SR 30), then to consolidate it on less routes.

Edit, was texting with Bob about this and he indicated that decertifying it has to do with maintenance allocation, as posted state routes are higher priority. Thus delist SR 30 and the roads that were along it move down the chain vs. other routes. It also has to do with GPS sending vehicles too large for local conditions over certain roads.

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The tangled concurrencies amongst SRs 24, 26, 30, and 54 in southern Sussex County are a source of motorist confusion and sign clutter, and the declassification of SR 30 in this area will eliminate many of these issues.

How many complaints and emails do you think they received about the overlaps? I bet one or none.

DelDOT previously was all about "removing braided routes" when they justified truncating U.S. 113. Higher in priority with addressing sign clutter/confusion in the system could be addressing some of these overlaps:
SR 896 south from Glasgow alongside SR 71 to Mt. Pleasant. The turn of SR 896 south at Hillside Road has not been marked since 2012. Truncate SR 896 at SR 71 and renumber the east-west leg from Mt. Pleasant to Boyds Corner or decertify it. Or realign SR 71 northeast from Lums Pond over SR 896 to SR 4 in Newark. The north end of SR 71 may be realigned or truncated due to planned improvements at the exchange joining U.S. 13 and SR 1 at Tybouts Corner.
SR 18 remains alongside SR 404 east to Georgetown, without an independent section east of Cannon Road near Bridgeville. SR 404 was cosigned with SR 18 by 1987, it is likely that motorists are used to the number by now...
The poorly signed overlap of SR 1/7 joins two distinctly separate sections. Per what Bob told me, DelDOT considers the SR 1 designation as still extending north to the exchange with SR 58, despite the end sign posted beyond the Road A overpass by Christiana Mall. SR 7 through Christiana should be dropped, but Bob also told me something about it SR 7 remaining there  because of the Christiana Fire Company.
The SR 100 overlaps with SR 48 and SR 141 could be done away with at this point and SR 100 dropped or renumbered to two separate routes.
Is the continuity of SR 2 along the overlap with SR 72 west to SR 273 in Newark really needed at this point?

Not a big fan personally of those overlaps with SR 24, 26 and 54, however the east-west leg could be retained as a different numbered route, and as Alps suggested, the 0.92 mile long segment of Millsboro Highway be designated as something new.

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SR 30 has no shoulders between Bi-State Boulevard and Millsboro Highway, whereas SR 24, SR 26, and SR 54 have full-width shoulders.

SR 9 almost entirely has no shoulders between Smyrna Leipsic Road and Port Penn. SR 15 has long sections in southern New Castle County with no shoulders and several more in Kent County. SR 82 has no shoulders (DelDOT unsuccessfully tried to decommission SR 82 in 2010). SR 100 has no shoulders from just north of SR 141 to the PA line, and also along the four lane section of Dupont Road between a point just north of SR 4 at Richardson Park and SR 48 in Wilmington. So there are already exceptions in the system.

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DelDOT is proposing to declassify approximately 22 miles of SR 30 in south-central Sussex County, from Bi-State Boulevard (ALT US 13 between Laurel and Delmar)

U.S. 13 ALT on Bi-State Boulevard? What data is DelDOT using?
The Delaware State Highway Department proposed designating Bi-State Boulevard as U.S. 13 ALT initially in 1952. AASHO deferred approving it pending action by the state of Maryland.
In 1955, AASHO disallowed the establishment of U.S. 13 ALT between the state line and a point north of Seaford, instead suggesting the use of a business route. With no further action by either state, a bannered route for U.S. 13 was never formally established along Bi-State Boulevard, and the 1957-58 Official Delaware Highway Map removed U.S. 13 ALT between Delmar and Laurel.

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SR 30’s new southern terminus would be at SR 24 (John J Williams Highway) in Millsboro, therefore the entirety of the route would connect the City of Milford and Town of Millsboro.

So the entire extension of SR 30 made by 1994 would be dropped.

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Declassifying SR 30 between Bi-State Boulevard and Gravel Hill Road may encourage long-distance travelers and trucks to use SRs 24, 26, and 54 instead, reducing volumes on SR 30.

Similar verbiage was written about declassifying SR 34 (which in turn was marked as one of the alternate routes to Wilmington due to the I-95 viaduct construction).
Traffic counts on SR 30 were just 1,881 in 2019 east of U.S. 13 and just 1,141 west of SR 26. How much lower is preferable?

Lastly, Bob mentioned some discussion to me that in Milford SR 30 might get extended north over SR 1 Business, with SR 1 Business decommissioned. This would coincide with the removal of the wye interchange joining SR 1 with SR 1 Business on Rehoboth Boulevard. Has something to do with access to the Bayhealth Hospital built on SR 30 by the exchange with SR 1.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on November 16, 2021, 09:40:15 AM
With the improvements being planned on US 113, my dream of a Delmarva North South Freeway is getting closer to reality
But we have to be careful not to let Maryland know about this possibility, or else they'll back out for fear of losing toll revenue from 95.

Are all those dots on that map going to be interchanges?  :confused:

None of these projects will result in a fully limited access highway for U.S. 113. Instead a number of grade separated intersections will be constructed along the arterial route, and there will still be driveways for homes and businesses along the bulk of U.S. 113. Extracted the alternative schematics from the US 113 North/South Study webpage (https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/us113/):

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/us-113-at-piney-grove-rd.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/us-113-at-piney-grove-rd.jpg)

A proposed parclo interchange with Piney Grove Road.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/us-113-gov-stockley-kruger-rds.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/us-113-gov-stockley-kruger-rds.jpg)

The proposed grade separations at Governor Stockley Road and Kruger Road.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/us-113-at-shortly-rd-us-009.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/us-113-at-shortly-rd-us-009.jpg)
U.S. 113 from U.S. 9 north to Shortly Road

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/us-113-at-de-404-wilson-rd.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/us-113-at-de-404-wilson-rd.jpg)

U.S. 113 at SR 18/404. Business access retained.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/us-113-at-redden-robbins-rds.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/us-113-at-redden-robbins-rds.jpg)

Proposed folded diamond interchange with a realignment of Redden Road, RIRO ramps for Robbins Road.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/us-113-at-de-016-staytonville-rd.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/us-113-at-de-016-staytonville-rd.jpg)

Diamond interchange alternative for U.S. 113 at SR 16. Would repurpose part of the northbound roadway as a service road.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/us-113-at-de-016-staytonville-rd-2.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlanticus-113-at-de-016-staytonville-rd-2.jpg/)

Parclo interchange design for U.S. 113 at SR 16.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/us-113-at-de-020-024.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/us-113-at-de-020-024.jpg)

Grade separated intersection for SR 20, the rest of U.S. 113 remains an at-grade arterial through Millsboro.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on November 16, 2021, 10:12:56 AM
Newark annexes Elkton Road property, paving way for city's potential second Wawa (https://www.wdel.com/news/newark-annexes-elkton-road-property-paving-way-for-citys-potential-second-wawa/article_4f4e441a-4111-11ec-837c-cfadb1e89ae8.html)

Normally would not post an article about a gas station, but it involves changing Otts Chapel Road ahead of SR 279.

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Newark City Council voted unanimously to annex property at the corner of Elkton and Otts Chapel Road that could potentially lead to a second Wawa less than a mile from one in Maryland.

The 6.05-acre site is almost completely surrounded by the City of Newark, but engineers working on the annexation and potential redevelopment were questioned about a branch of the Persimmon Run Creek that makes up part of its boundary.

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Engineers said DELDOT is on board with the potential Wawa construction, even permitting a direct left turn from northbound Otts Chapel Road, not very far from when it intersects Elkton Road.

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If it does become a Wawa, it would become the second one in less than a half-mile. There is a location just off the southbound lanes of Elkton Road (Route 279) at Fletchwood Road (Route 277) situated over the line in Maryland. The Newark location would be on the northbound side of Elkton Road.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 16, 2021, 04:20:38 PM
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U.S. 13 ALT on Bi-State Boulevard? What data is DelDOT using?
The Delaware State Highway Department proposed designating Bi-State Boulevard as U.S. 13 ALT initially in 1952. AASHO deferred approving it pending action by the state of Maryland.
In 1955, AASHO disallowed the establishment of U.S. 13 ALT between the state line and a point north of Seaford, instead suggesting the use of a business route. With no further action by either state, a bannered route for U.S. 13 was never formally established along Bi-State Boulevard, and the 1957-58 Official Delaware Highway Map removed U.S. 13 ALT between Delmar and Laurel.

Maybe OSM.  I have seen it on OSM before.

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SR 82 has no shoulders (DelDOT unsuccessfully tried to decommission SR 82 in 2010).

Do you know if PennDOT was related to that unsuccessful decommission?

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Lastly, Bob mentioned some discussion to me that in Milford SR 30 might get extended north over SR 1 Business, with SR 1 Business decommissioned. This would coincide with the removal of the wye interchange joining SR 1 with SR 1 Business on Rehoboth Boulevard. Has something to do with access to the Bayhealth Hospital built on SR 30 by the exchange with SR 1.

At the end of the day, I guess I was right to extend DE 30 to DE 1 Business in Travel Mapping a couple years ago.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on November 16, 2021, 06:56:09 PM
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SR 82 has no shoulders (DelDOT unsuccessfully tried to decommission SR 82 in 2010).

Do you know if PennDOT was related to that unsuccessful decommission?

There was a mention of PA 82 back then (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg55737#msg55737), but it does not appear to be directly related to the decommissioning attempt in Delaware.

From the workshop website transcript:

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14.Corridor Management Plan
ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF A SCENIC BYWAY DESIGNATION IS THE DEVELOPMENT OF A CORRIDOR MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT IDENTIFIES STRATEGIES DESIGNED TO PRESERVE THE UNIQUE AND IRREPLACEABLE ATTRIBUTES OF THE BYWAY. 
THE RED CLAY VALLEY SCENIC BYWAY ALLIANCE, COMPRISED OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM NON-PROFIT AGENCIES, PRESERVATION GROUPS, GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, STAKEHOLDERS, RESIDENTS OF THE AREA AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC, COMPLETED SUCH A CORRIDOR MANAGEMENT PLAN IN 2008.
ONE OF THE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS OF THAT PLAN WAS TO EXPLORE THE DELISTING OF STATE ROUTE 82 AS A STATE ROUTE, IN ORDER TO HELP PROTECT ITS INTRINSIC QUALITIES.
REMOVING THE STATE ROUTE DESIGNATION IS A STRATEGY THAT HAS BEEN USED IN OTHER COMMUNITIES IN AN EFFORT TO PRESERVE RESOURCES FOUND ALONG THEIR ROADWAY.
FOR EXAMPLE, IN 1998, APPROXIMATELY FIVE-AND-A-HALF MILES OF STATE ROUTE 82 LOCATED IN UNIONVILLE, PENNSYLVANIA WAS DELISTED BY THAT STATE IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC, VILLAGE CHARACTER OF THAT COMMUNITY.

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Lastly, Bob mentioned some discussion to me that in Milford SR 30 might get extended north over SR 1 Business, with SR 1 Business decommissioned. This would coincide with the removal of the wye interchange joining SR 1 with SR 1 Business on Rehoboth Boulevard. Has something to do with access to the Bayhealth Hospital built on SR 30 by the exchange with SR 1.

At the end of the day, I guess I was right to extend DE 30 to DE 1 Business in Travel Mapping a couple years ago.

Absolutely, and there is an end shield posted where it ties into SR 1 Business:

(https://www.aaroads.com/de/030/de-030-n-at-de-001b-1.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/de/030/de-030-n-at-de-001b-1.jpg)





Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on November 17, 2021, 12:28:28 AM
SR 896 south from Glasgow alongside SR 71 to Mt. Pleasant. The turn of SR 896 south at Hillside Road has not been marked since 2012. Truncate SR 896 at SR 71 and renumber the east-west leg from Mt. Pleasant to Boyds Corner or decertify it. Or realign SR 71 northeast from Lums Pond over SR 896 to SR 4 in Newark. The north end of SR 71 may be realigned or truncated due to planned improvements at the exchange joining U.S. 13 and SR 1 at Tybouts Corner.

I really wish DelDOT would focus more on ensuring corridors had consistent route numbers that followed their entire length, and it's why I hope they retain the DE 2 designation for all of Kirkwood Highway to Newark, despite the concurrency with DE 72 over the last couple miles. The Newark - Middletown corridor bugs me especially in that regard as the main route between the core of the two towns goes (N to S) from unsigned, to DE 896, to DE 896 + 71, to DE 71, to unsigned again (old US 301), to DE 299 + 15. The Newark - Elkton corridor is similarly disjointed with DE 896 and DE 279 splitting the corridor in half.

I don't think there's much point in designating route numbers if they're not going to provide helpful guidance for an entire corridor.
If they're really so concerned about simplification some more impactful tweaks to the system could include...
- Realign DE 896 to follow College Avenue, Summit Bridge Road, and Middletown Warwick Road between Main Street in Newark and Levels Road / Warwick Road in Middletown. Now we have a single route collecting Newark-based traffic and sending it to the core of the growing MOT area and vice-versa.
- Truncate DE 71 at DE 896 north of the Summit Bridge, and renumber the southern orphaned portion between Middletown and US 13. These two chunks of DE 71 serve little purpose as a combined route, with the northern chunk acting as a collector for suburbs south of Bear, and the southern acting as a connector from Middletown to points south.
- Renumber Boyds Corner Road (or the entire corridor from the Maryland line to Port Penn) as its own corridor. The east-west connection provided here is only going to become more important to the area as development continues to spring up between Middletown and the canal.
- Extend the DE 279 designation the entire way up Elkton Road into downtown Newark.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 17, 2021, 01:37:35 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - UPDATED: Temporary Closure of Roads for the Removal of Lewes Railroad Swing Bridge (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8867)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 19, 2021, 08:04:54 AM
Statewide - Holiday Savings for New E-Z Pass Accounts Begins on Black Friday (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8875)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on November 21, 2021, 08:31:00 PM
Alex, on those maps, the second map shows a relocated Speedway Road - right through one end of Georgetown Speedway.  Guess this means that old racetrack's days may be numbered, right?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on November 22, 2021, 11:25:05 AM
Alex, on those maps, the second map shows a relocated Speedway Road - right through one end of Georgetown Speedway.  Guess this means that old racetrack's days may be numbered, right?

That appears to be the case. The Memorandum for the meeting held on May 10, 2007 included in the Appendices for the Georgetown area of the US 113 study (https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/us113/georgetown/eaFinal/US113GeorgetownEAAPPENDICESONLYFeb2014.pdf) covered the speedway:

Quote
Speedway Road: Mr. Hite related that this area is of concern due to impacts to the Seacoast Speedway. Mr. Hall cited a group of citizens that have expressed concern about impacts to the speedway and asked why the property was not determined eligible for the National Register. Ms. Davis said that for a property to be recommended eligible, both significance and integrity are needed. Although the speedway may be considered to be significant from a historic point of view, it is the opinion of SHPO and DelDOT that the site lacks integrity because many later-period additions exist. Mr. Oliver added that impacts to the speedway are only being considered to avoid impacting several homes on the opposite side of Speedway Road. Mr. Hite added that the property has been proposed for development for some time; Mr. Hall confirmed that there is an active PLUS application for the site.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 23, 2021, 03:12:37 PM
The Phase 2 of the I-95 Restore the Corridor Public Meeting will be on December 2, 2021, at 6 PM. (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15436)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on November 28, 2021, 07:03:20 PM
So is the SB 295/SB 95 junction complete?
If so, nice, but IMO I-95 in DE needs to be 6 lanes from 295 to DE-1, then 5 lanes to the Service Station.
Any plans or possibility this happens?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on November 28, 2021, 08:40:48 PM
So is the SB 295/SB 95 junction complete?
If so, nice, but IMO I-95 in DE needs to be 6 lanes from 295 to DE-1, then 5 lanes to the Service Station.
Any plans or possibility this happens?

Looked like it was mostly done when I went through today. The 295 merge was near the salt dome but the lane drop signage was still temporary.

I know we’ve debated this previously but I still think the bigger deficiency was some sort of flyover from 295 to the right side of 95 for the SR 1 exit.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on November 28, 2021, 09:50:08 PM
So is the SB 295/SB 95 junction complete?
If so, nice, but IMO I-95 in DE needs to be 6 lanes from 295 to DE-1, then 5 lanes to the Service Station.
Any plans or possibility this happens?
It needs 2 lanes from 495 and 3 lanes from 295, for starters.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 28, 2021, 10:09:02 PM
So is the SB 295/SB 95 junction complete?
If so, nice, but IMO I-95 in DE needs to be 6 lanes from 295 to DE-1, then 5 lanes to the Service Station.
Any plans or possibility this happens?
It needs 2 lanes from 495 and 3 lanes from 295, for starters.

When it comes down to it, it's just a bad pinchpoint. 4 lanes crossing the Bridge, 3 lanes from 495, 3 lanes from 95. There's some variables with traffic jumping onto 13, 40 & 141, but it's never really going to have the right number of lanes, or the proper lane allocation at all times, between 295 and DE 1.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 29, 2021, 09:51:54 AM
Statewide - Scam Alert from DelDOT and DMV (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8887)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on November 29, 2021, 05:50:21 PM
So is the SB 295/SB 95 junction complete?
If so, nice, but IMO I-95 in DE needs to be 6 lanes from 295 to DE-1, then 5 lanes to the Service Station.
Any plans or possibility this happens?
It needs 2 lanes from 495 and 3 lanes from 295, for starters.

When it comes down to it, it's just a bad pinchpoint. 4 lanes crossing the Bridge, 3 lanes from 495, 3 lanes from 95. There's some variables with traffic jumping onto 13, 40 & 141, but it's never really going to have the right number of lanes, or the proper lane allocation at all times, between 295 and DE 1.
I-495 is not 3 lanes of traffic. It's 2 lanes of traffic built with 3. I-95 also is relatively light outside commuting hours. I-295 is the chokepoint and there's a balance between I-95 and US 13/40 corridors that is broken right now.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 02, 2021, 01:44:56 PM
The Phase 2 of the I-95 Restore the Corridor Public Meeting will be on December 2, 2021, at 6 PM. (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15436)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - NB I-95 Closures for Overhead Sign Relocation, Concrete Barrier Placement and Striping (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8889&type=Traffic)

(For US 13)  New Castle County - Closure of Southbound Lane on St. Georges Bridge for Deck Repairs (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8890&type=News)

New Castle County - UPDATE: Closure Extended of I-95 SB Exit 7A Off ramp to 11th Street/Delaware Avenue for Ramp Reconstruction (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8895)

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 07, 2021, 12:54:44 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Additional Ramp Closure for Upcoming I-95 NB Traffic Switch (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8898&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 08, 2021, 01:41:25 AM
Found this circulating online:

(https://i.imgur.com/sEq7J5K.jpg)

DELWARE
Title: Re: Delware
Post by: LilianaUwU on December 08, 2021, 01:51:44 AM
Found this circulating online:

(https://i.imgur.com/sEq7J5K.jpg)

DELWARE

Isn't that the state next to Marland?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 08, 2021, 09:19:02 AM
New Castle County - I-95 Rehabilitation Project Virtual Public Meeting on Tuesday, December 14, 2021 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8900)
Title: Re: Delware
Post by: ixnay on December 09, 2021, 09:31:22 PM
Found this circulating online:

(https://i.imgur.com/sEq7J5K.jpg)

DELWARE

Isn't that the state next to Marland?

That sign would've been a candidate for the News Journal's weekly (I want to day Mondays in section B) "Fix It" feature highlighting defective signs, traffic control devices, curbs, etc., back in the day.  I don't know if TNJ's site (delawareonline.com) has that feature.  Being adverse to dealing with paywalls, I choose not to go to that site.
Title: Re: Delware
Post by: Alex on December 09, 2021, 10:39:28 PM
That sign would've been a candidate for the News Journal's weekly (I want to day Mondays in section B) "Fix It" feature highlighting defective signs, traffic control devices, curbs, etc., back in the day.  I don't know if TNJ's site (delawareonline.com) has that feature.  Being adverse to dealing with paywalls, I choose not to go to that site.

DelDOT beat the News Journal to it, posting about the Delware sign on their Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/100064534726421/posts/278381937656295/
Title: Re: Delware
Post by: LilianaUwU on December 09, 2021, 10:48:18 PM
That sign would've been a candidate for the News Journal's weekly (I want to day Mondays in section B) "Fix It" feature highlighting defective signs, traffic control devices, curbs, etc., back in the day.  I don't know if TNJ's site (delawareonline.com) has that feature.  Being adverse to dealing with paywalls, I choose not to go to that site.

DelDOT beat the News Journal to it, posting about the Delware sign on their Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/100064534726421/posts/278381937656295/

They say the sign is getting replaced... really? It couldn't be patched? What a waste of money if that's true.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on December 09, 2021, 11:52:12 PM
just peel off the sticky letters and put them back with the right spacing and magically there is room for an a
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: vdeane on December 10, 2021, 12:49:09 PM
That sign would've been a candidate for the News Journal's weekly (I want to day Mondays in section B) "Fix It" feature highlighting defective signs, traffic control devices, curbs, etc., back in the day.  I don't know if TNJ's site (delawareonline.com) has that feature.  Being adverse to dealing with paywalls, I choose not to go to that site.

DelDOT beat the News Journal to it, posting about the Delware sign on their Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/100064534726421/posts/278381937656295/

They say the sign is getting replaced... really? It couldn't be patched? What a waste of money if that's true.
If the state had the plans correct and didn't yet sign off on inspection, the contractor would be at fault, so the state wouldn't be paying for it.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 13, 2021, 11:04:32 AM
(For I-95 and DE 141) New Castle County - Lane Restrictions on SB I-95 and Rt 141 for Final Striping (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8906)

EDIT (12-14-2021):  (For DE 16)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Structure Maintenance to Close Portion of Route 16/Hickman Road (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8912&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on December 16, 2021, 11:29:50 AM
New Castle County - I-95 Rehabilitation Project Virtual Public Meeting on Tuesday, December 14, 2021 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8900)

It's interesting DelDOT hasn't implemented or released details on these speed cameras that were approved on a trial basis for I-95 by the Legislature.  IIRC they were just going to utilize the contract for the red light cameras, so I can't imagine setup would take nearly six months now.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on December 19, 2021, 11:04:36 PM
So is the SB 295/SB 95 junction complete?
If so, nice, but IMO I-95 in DE needs to be 6 lanes from 295 to DE-1, then 5 lanes to the Service Station.
Any plans or possibility this happens?
It needs 2 lanes from 495 and 3 lanes from 295, for starters.

When it comes down to it, it's just a bad pinchpoint. 4 lanes crossing the Bridge, 3 lanes from 495, 3 lanes from 95. There's some variables with traffic jumping onto 13, 40 & 141, but it's never really going to have the right number of lanes, or the proper lane allocation at all times, between 295 and DE 1.
So what would be the ideal setup for the junction?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 20, 2021, 09:19:19 PM
New Castle County - I-95 Restore the Corridor Project Shifts to Phase 2 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8919)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: odditude on December 21, 2021, 07:06:46 PM
So is the SB 295/SB 95 junction complete?
If so, nice, but IMO I-95 in DE needs to be 6 lanes from 295 to DE-1, then 5 lanes to the Service Station.
Any plans or possibility this happens?
It needs 2 lanes from 495 and 3 lanes from 295, for starters.

When it comes down to it, it's just a bad pinchpoint. 4 lanes crossing the Bridge, 3 lanes from 495, 3 lanes from 95. There's some variables with traffic jumping onto 13, 40 & 141, but it's never really going to have the right number of lanes, or the proper lane allocation at all times, between 295 and DE 1.
So what would be the ideal setup for the junction?

the ideal, pie-in-the-sky, no-worries-about-budget-let-alone-property-acquisition setup would likely include flyovers from I-495 and I-295 to a braided approach to the DE 1 interchange, which would carry all of the traffic headed in that direction and reduce the pressure on the through lanes.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 22, 2021, 12:21:20 PM
(For DE 141) New Castle County - DelDOT Announces Completion of Route 141 Projects (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8920)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on December 25, 2021, 08:14:15 PM
So is the SB 295/SB 95 junction complete?
If so, nice, but IMO I-95 in DE needs to be 6 lanes from 295 to DE-1, then 5 lanes to the Service Station.
Any plans or possibility this happens?
It needs 2 lanes from 495 and 3 lanes from 295, for starters.

When it comes down to it, it's just a bad pinchpoint. 4 lanes crossing the Bridge, 3 lanes from 495, 3 lanes from 95. There's some variables with traffic jumping onto 13, 40 & 141, but it's never really going to have the right number of lanes, or the proper lane allocation at all times, between 295 and DE 1.
So what would be the ideal setup for the junction?

the ideal, pie-in-the-sky, no-worries-about-budget-let-alone-property-acquisition setup would likely include flyovers from I-495 and I-295 to a braided approach to the DE 1 interchange, which would carry all of the traffic headed in that direction and reduce the pressure on the through lanes.
Got a visual?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: odditude on December 27, 2021, 12:46:03 PM
So is the SB 295/SB 95 junction complete?
If so, nice, but IMO I-95 in DE needs to be 6 lanes from 295 to DE-1, then 5 lanes to the Service Station.
Any plans or possibility this happens?
It needs 2 lanes from 495 and 3 lanes from 295, for starters.

When it comes down to it, it's just a bad pinchpoint. 4 lanes crossing the Bridge, 3 lanes from 495, 3 lanes from 95. There's some variables with traffic jumping onto 13, 40 & 141, but it's never really going to have the right number of lanes, or the proper lane allocation at all times, between 295 and DE 1.
So what would be the ideal setup for the junction?

the ideal, pie-in-the-sky, no-worries-about-budget-let-alone-property-acquisition setup would likely include flyovers from I-495 and I-295 to a braided approach to the DE 1 interchange, which would carry all of the traffic headed in that direction and reduce the pressure on the through lanes.
Got a visual?

nope.

I'm sure if one of the design-engineering-oriented folks were interested, they could draw up the concept and polish any gaps i overlooked. however, given how utterly impractical it would be from a budgetary perspective, i doubt it's worth the effort.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on December 29, 2021, 08:23:28 AM
the ideal, pie-in-the-sky, no-worries-about-budget-let-alone-property-acquisition setup would likely include flyovers from I-495 and I-295 to a braided approach to the DE 1 interchange, which would carry all of the traffic headed in that direction and reduce the pressure on the through lanes.

You forgot "no-worries-about-an-EIS".  You have Churchmans Marsh there. :)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 30, 2021, 12:09:27 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Closure of Northbound I-95 at Chapman Road Overpass (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8925)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 30, 2021, 01:23:18 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Closure of Northbound I-95 at Chapman Road Overpass (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8925)

I imagine most will take Old Baltimore Pike rather than go all the way to US 40.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on January 01, 2022, 08:43:44 AM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Closure of Northbound I-95 at Chapman Road Overpass (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8925)

I imagine most will take Old Baltimore Pike rather than go all the way to US 40.

For truckers it's a little more complicated.  Eighteen-wheelers are prohibited on OBP west of DE 72.*  If truckers want to avoid going down to 40, they can take 896 *north* to DE 4 east to DE 72 south, go under 95 and then turn left onto OBP eastbound.

*Old Baltimore Pike is shoulderless almost the entire distance between DE 896 and DE 72, and goes over the 1920's(?) version of the historic Cooch's Bridge near where Delaware's only major battle of the War for Independence took place.

Happy New Year!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 04, 2022, 12:54:30 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Closure of Northbound I-95 at Chapman Road Overpass (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8925)

I guess this was postponed to next week due to the weather (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8929&type=Traffic). 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 10, 2022, 04:23:29 PM
(For DE 9)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Route 9 Closed South of the Reedy Point Bridge (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8936)

Statewide - Electronic Speed Safety Program to Begin in I-95 Restore the Corridor Construction Zone (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8937)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 10, 2022, 06:38:38 PM
Statewide - Electronic Speed Safety Program to Begin in I-95 Restore the Corridor Construction Zone (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8937)

Notable within the links provided, there is no leeway written into the law.  So if they want to send you a ticket for 46 in a 45, it'll be completely within their right to do so.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on January 10, 2022, 08:04:16 PM
Statewide - Electronic Speed Safety Program to Begin in I-95 Restore the Corridor Construction Zone (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8937)

Notable within the links provided, there is no leeway written into the law.  So if they want to send you a ticket for 46 in a 45, it'll be completely within their right to do so.

Seems like it.  At least the first violation is a warning (like PA).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on January 10, 2022, 08:10:27 PM
Statewide - Electronic Speed Safety Program to Begin in I-95 Restore the Corridor Construction Zone (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8937)

Notable within the links provided, there is no leeway written into the law.  So if they want to send you a ticket for 46 in a 45, it'll be completely within their right to do so.

Ticketing starts at 13 MPH over the limit, per the FAQ.  Similar to Maryland, workers do not need to be present.  However, the first violation is a warning (like PA).

https://www.restorethecorridor.com/images/updates/notifications_brochures/Delaware_Electronic_Speed_Safety_FAQ.pdf

Sounds like these will be 24/7 unattended cameras, unlike other states
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on January 13, 2022, 08:21:47 PM
Looks like the cameras are already up.  They're grey metal boxes and fairly flush with the concrete barriers. Hopefully, if this program is ever extended, they go for the vehicle mounted systems and only enforce when workers are present.

(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/wdel.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/1/77/177c68fc-7558-11ec-b612-6b322402cf17/61e1a69b8a5ca.image.jpg?resize=990%2C743)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on January 17, 2022, 12:13:31 PM
Well, that didn’t take long. It shows why a lot of these work zone cameras are mounted on vehicles that are occupied and can be secured.

https://www.wdel.com/news/speed-enforcement-cameras-vandalized/article_40091202-778d-11ec-8498-d73fa0adf528.html
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 19, 2022, 07:52:22 AM
(For DE 24)  HSIP SR24 at Mount Joy Road and SR24 at Bay Farm Road Intersection Improvements has been awarded (http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicFinalBidtabDisplay&id=T200711201)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 20, 2022, 11:39:34 AM
(For DE 279)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Rumble Strips Coming to Elkton Road (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8944&type=Traffic)

(For US 113, DE 24, (and maybe or maybe the former DE 30))  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Traffic Signal Modifications May Cause Daytime Delays at US 113 & Route 24 Intersection (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8945&type=Traffic)

I am hoping to do 99% of the rest of my DE clinching next weekend pending weather so hopefully I will find out whether DE 30 is still posted or not.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 21, 2022, 11:26:40 AM
(For US 13 BUS (Wilmington))  Walnut Street, 3rd Street to 16th Street Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15555)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on January 23, 2022, 11:06:48 PM
The more I think of it the more I realize DelDOT is borrowing Maryland’s sign design in multiple cases. Between using the same work zone speed camera signs, the “Lane Ends”  with arrow signs, and some of the same BGS designs on I-95 with the square corners and exit tabs (all unique), it’s too hard to ignore. There’s probably no copyright on the designs but you have to wonder if Maryland knows.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 24, 2022, 08:59:48 AM
The more I think of it the more I realize DelDOT is borrowing Maryland’s sign design in multiple cases. Between using the same work zone speed camera signs, the “Lane Ends”  with arrow signs, and some of the same BGS designs on I-95 with the square corners and exit tabs (all unique), it’s too hard to ignore. There’s probably no copyright on the designs but you have to wonder if Maryland knows.

Where else are they going to get the sign specs from?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on January 24, 2022, 01:43:19 PM
The more I think of it the more I realize DelDOT is borrowing Maryland’s sign design in multiple cases. Between using the same work zone speed camera signs, the “Lane Ends”  with arrow signs, and some of the same BGS designs on I-95 with the square corners and exit tabs (all unique), it’s too hard to ignore. There’s probably no copyright on the designs but you have to wonder if Maryland knows.

Where else are they going to get the sign specs from?

Maybe design their own?  Those specific signs that Maryland uses ubiquitously aren't often used in other states
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 24, 2022, 03:33:34 PM
(For DE 273)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - New Ramp Configuration on Route 273 at I-95 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8948)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 02, 2022, 03:47:49 PM
(For DE 273)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - New Ramp Configuration on Route 273 at I-95 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8948)

(For DE 273)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - New Ramp Configuration and Traffic Signal SB I-95 to WB RT 273 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8960)

US 9 (Kings Highway) from SR 1 to Freeman Highway Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202212901)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 06, 2022, 11:57:12 AM
Due to winter weather changing my birthday roadgeek trip to a western MD/northeast WV/western PA trip, and that US 13 in Chester, PA, is being realigned at the moment, I do not know when I will get to field check DE 30 to see if signage has been removed.  (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2680762#msg2680762)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 07, 2022, 02:35:35 PM
(For DE 896)  New Castle County - Boyds Corner Road, Middletown Railroad Crossing Safety Improvements Advance Notice (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8965)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 14, 2022, 07:21:53 PM
Sussex County - Work to Move the Lewes Swing Bridge Commences Tomorrow Morning (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8969)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on February 15, 2022, 01:38:15 PM
(For DE 141) New Castle County - DelDOT Announces Completion of Route 141 Projects (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8920)

But they didn't build the ramp from DE 141 NB to I-295 NB that was part of the original plan.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on February 16, 2022, 10:12:34 AM
(For DE 141) New Castle County - DelDOT Announces Completion of Route 141 Projects (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8920)

But they didn't build the ramp from DE 141 NB to I-295 NB that was part of the original plan.

That quietly fell off the plans a while ago. It's possible they saw the potential disturbance to the marsh for a movement already served by US 13 / 40 as unnecessary and wanted to shuffle that money elsewhere.

Something similar happened at the SR 1 / 7 / 58 interchange along SR 58 a couple years back, the original plans for construction in the area called for...
- Channelizing the right turn lane off the SB SR 7 ramp onto WB SR 58, to prevent traffic from getting to the left turn lanes for Continental Blvd
- Separating the double left turn lanes for Continental Blvd from the thru WB SR 58 lanes with a median
- Adding a second right turn lane at the above ramp to allow traffic to get to the left for Continental Blvd
- Converting the right EB SR 58 thru lane into an option right turn lane, creating a triple right onto SB SR 1 / 7
The project came and went, and the only construction completed was resurfacing the road and rebuilding curbs and sidewalks.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on February 16, 2022, 07:48:43 PM
Sussex County - Work to Move the Lewes Swing Bridge Commences Tomorrow Morning (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8969)

They did it!  They moved the bridge!  :clap: :clap: :clap:

https://www.capegazette.com/article/lewes-swing-bridge-lifted-canal/235046?source=mp
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 22, 2022, 11:24:16 AM
As of Saturday, DE 30 signage has not been removed (at least along the DE 24 concurrency, seeing it there made it clear to me not to bother on the rest that is planned to be removed).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 22, 2022, 11:25:49 AM
US 9 (Kings Highway) from SR 1 to Freeman Highway Online Virtual Public Workshop: February 23rd, 2022 (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15596)

(For DE 1)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Lane Restrictions on NB DE Route 1 for Concrete Patching (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8975)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on February 24, 2022, 10:14:43 PM
So is the SB 295/SB 95 junction complete?
If so, nice, but IMO I-95 in DE needs to be 6 lanes from 295 to DE-1, then 5 lanes to the Service Station.
Any plans or possibility this happens?
It needs 2 lanes from 495 and 3 lanes from 295, for starters.

When it comes down to it, it's just a bad pinchpoint. 4 lanes crossing the Bridge, 3 lanes from 495, 3 lanes from 95. There's some variables with traffic jumping onto 13, 40 & 141, but it's never really going to have the right number of lanes, or the proper lane allocation at all times, between 295 and DE 1.
So what would be the ideal setup for the junction?

the ideal, pie-in-the-sky, no-worries-about-budget-let-alone-property-acquisition setup would likely include flyovers from I-495 and I-295 to a braided approach to the DE 1 interchange, which would carry all of the traffic headed in that direction and reduce the pressure on the through lanes.
Got a visual?

nope.

I'm sure if one of the design-engineering-oriented folks were interested, they could draw up the concept and polish any gaps i overlooked. however, given how utterly impractical it would be from a budgetary perspective, i doubt it's worth the effort.

I can’t seem to think how that would work, as I am not familiar with a braided approach.
So how would it work both NB and SB I-95 between 1/295?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 25, 2022, 09:34:21 AM
US 9 (Kings Highway) from SR 1 to Freeman Highway Online Virtual Public Workshop: February 23rd, 2022 (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15596)

The documents for the US 9 Widening are up on the project website. (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202212901)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 25, 2022, 12:38:16 PM
US 9 (Kings Highway) from SR 1 to Freeman Highway Online Virtual Public Workshop: February 23rd, 2022 (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15596)

The documents for the US 9 Widening are up on the project website. (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202212901)

Looks like the engineers who love roundabouts had a hand in the design here.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 25, 2022, 12:44:40 PM
US 9 (Kings Highway) from SR 1 to Freeman Highway Online Virtual Public Workshop: February 23rd, 2022 (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15596)

The documents for the US 9 Widening are up on the project website. (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202212901)

Looks like the engineers who love roundabouts had a hand in the design here.

At the meeting Wednesday, there were a lot of complaints about a lack of left-turns because I guess people do not realize that they could turn around in the roundabouts. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on February 25, 2022, 01:42:21 PM
US 9 (Kings Highway) from SR 1 to Freeman Highway Online Virtual Public Workshop: February 23rd, 2022 (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15596)

The documents for the US 9 Widening are up on the project website. (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202212901)

Looks like the engineers who love roundabouts had a hand in the design here.

DelDOT's going all-in on roundabouts in the Lewes area, there's roundabouts planned at...And if I had to guess, the future widening projects along US 9, SR 23, and SR 1D radiating out from Five Points, and the Mulberry Knoll Road and Airport Road extensions are going to include a number of their own roundabouts.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: odditude on February 25, 2022, 05:37:29 PM
So is the SB 295/SB 95 junction complete?
If so, nice, but IMO I-95 in DE needs to be 6 lanes from 295 to DE-1, then 5 lanes to the Service Station.
Any plans or possibility this happens?
It needs 2 lanes from 495 and 3 lanes from 295, for starters.

When it comes down to it, it's just a bad pinchpoint. 4 lanes crossing the Bridge, 3 lanes from 495, 3 lanes from 95. There's some variables with traffic jumping onto 13, 40 & 141, but it's never really going to have the right number of lanes, or the proper lane allocation at all times, between 295 and DE 1.
So what would be the ideal setup for the junction?

the ideal, pie-in-the-sky, no-worries-about-budget-let-alone-property-acquisition setup would likely include flyovers from I-495 and I-295 to a braided approach to the DE 1 interchange, which would carry all of the traffic headed in that direction and reduce the pressure on the through lanes.
Got a visual?

nope.

I'm sure if one of the design-engineering-oriented folks were interested, they could draw up the concept and polish any gaps i overlooked. however, given how utterly impractical it would be from a budgetary perspective, i doubt it's worth the effort.

I can’t seem to think how that would work, as I am not familiar with a braided approach.
So how would it work both NB and SB I-95 between 1/295?

southbound: at a very high level, exits to DE 1 would depart I-95 and I-495 prior to their merge point and form a roadway running parallel to I-95. an exit to DE 1 from I-295 prior to its merge with 95 would join that roadway, which would pass over or under the other ramps between its origin and DE 1.

applying the concept northbound is left as an exercise for the reader.

note that a similar (but smaller-scale) approach is used on I-95 SB in MD approaching MD 200, getting WB MD 200 traffic off of the I-95 mainline well in advance of the actual interchange.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on February 25, 2022, 06:06:36 PM
So is the SB 295/SB 95 junction complete?
If so, nice, but IMO I-95 in DE needs to be 6 lanes from 295 to DE-1, then 5 lanes to the Service Station.
Any plans or possibility this happens?
It needs 2 lanes from 495 and 3 lanes from 295, for starters.

When it comes down to it, it's just a bad pinchpoint. 4 lanes crossing the Bridge, 3 lanes from 495, 3 lanes from 95. There's some variables with traffic jumping onto 13, 40 & 141, but it's never really going to have the right number of lanes, or the proper lane allocation at all times, between 295 and DE 1.
So what would be the ideal setup for the junction?

the ideal, pie-in-the-sky, no-worries-about-budget-let-alone-property-acquisition setup would likely include flyovers from I-495 and I-295 to a braided approach to the DE 1 interchange, which would carry all of the traffic headed in that direction and reduce the pressure on the through lanes.
Got a visual?

nope.

I'm sure if one of the design-engineering-oriented folks were interested, they could draw up the concept and polish any gaps i overlooked. however, given how utterly impractical it would be from a budgetary perspective, i doubt it's worth the effort.

I can’t seem to think how that would work, as I am not familiar with a braided approach.
So how would it work both NB and SB I-95 between 1/295?

southbound: at a very high level, exits to DE 1 would depart I-95 and I-495 prior to their merge point and form a roadway running parallel to I-95. an exit to DE 1 from I-295 prior to its merge with 95 would join that roadway, which would pass over or under the other ramps between its origin and DE 1.

applying the concept northbound is left as an exercise for the reader.

note that a similar (but smaller-scale) approach is used on I-95 SB in MD approaching MD 200, getting WB MD 200 traffic off of the I-95 mainline well in advance of the actual interchange.
let us leave this for Fictional plz
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: seicer on February 25, 2022, 06:07:17 PM
I don't mind the roundabouts but the four-lane roundabouts can be confusing, especially if the left turns are dual lane. Will there be that much traffic to require dual left turns at roundabouts?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 28, 2022, 02:20:29 PM
(For DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Boyds Corner Road Railroad Crossing Improvements (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8977)

US 13, US 40 to Memorial Drive Pedestrian Improvements Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15656)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 04, 2022, 03:21:55 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Woodland Ferry Closed for Repairs (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8982)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 07, 2022, 02:57:05 PM
(For US 9 TRUCK/DE 404 TRUCK)  PARK AVENUE RELOCATION, PHASE 1 has been awarded (http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicFinalBidtabDisplay&id=T202004601)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 09, 2022, 04:20:06 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Lane Closures on Casho Mill Road for Railroad Bridge Improvements (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8988)

Quote
Improvements will include adding flashers, beacons, signage, and a CCTV for traffic monitoring. In addition, the project will involve the installation of "clankers", a crossbar with a series of chains attached to it, as an enhancement to other warning systems to prevent bridge strikes due to over height vehicles. The "clankers" are designed to make a lot of noise when a vehicle tries to enter the underpass alerting drivers of the low clearance without damaging the vehicle itself.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 11, 2022, 11:40:06 AM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95 SB Overnight Closures for Concrete Barrier Installation (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8991)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 12, 2022, 06:56:50 PM
(For DE 1) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to begin Roth Bridge Project March 1 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8992)

(For US 40)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Shoulder and Road Closures EB US 40 for Emergency Railroad Signal Repair (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8993)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 15, 2022, 08:40:23 AM
(For DE 1 and DE 16)  HEP SUSSEX COUNTY, SR1 AND SR16 GRADE SEPARATED INTERSECTION has been awarded (http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicFinalBidtabDisplay&id=T201500301)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 17, 2022, 12:25:56 PM
(For DE 1)  Coastal Highway Intersection Improvements Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15735)

(For US 40)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Road Closure EB US 40 for Emergency Railroad Signal Repairs (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=8993)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 19, 2022, 10:07:55 PM
(For US 13)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Kent County - New Traffic Pattern - Flashing Red Arrows (FRA) US 13 at Hickory Ridge Road/Spring Meadow (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9008)

(For US 13/DE 20) TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Restricted Bridge Width Reminder as Rehabilitation Continues on US 13 NB/SB (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9005)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 23, 2022, 09:46:53 AM
TRAFFIC ALERT - Kent County - Emergency Road Closure of Tub Mill Pond Road between Cicada Lane and Bowman Road (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9010)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 01, 2022, 05:21:30 PM
(For DE 9)  4th Street, Walnut Street to Adams Street Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15797)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 05, 2022, 03:04:32 PM
(For DE 15)  SR15/Kenton Rd. at Central Church Rd. Intersection Improvements (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15817)  (Cue Mr. Angery)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 07, 2022, 09:01:06 AM
(For US 9/DE 404) TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - New Traffic Signal at US 9 & Old Vine Boulevard (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9024&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 12, 2022, 05:37:20 PM
Statewide - DMV on the Go Now Open (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9035)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 14, 2022, 12:46:03 PM
(For DE 273)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Left Lane Closed on WB Rt 273 for Concrete Patching (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9038&type=Traffic)

Statewide - Electronic Speed Safety Program in I-95 Construction Zone to Begin Issuing Violations (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9040)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 20, 2022, 03:36:57 PM
(For DE 273)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Changing Lane Restrictions on Route 273 over I-95 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9052)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 22, 2022, 10:34:20 AM
US 13, US 40 to Memorial Drive Pedestrian Improvements Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15656)

Note that this map (https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=9008514&iProjectObjectID=49425) on the project webpage (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201601102) has US 141 shields on it.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 22, 2022, 01:38:42 PM
US 13, US 40 to Memorial Drive Pedestrian Improvements Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15656)

Note that this map (https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=9008514&iProjectObjectID=49425) on the project webpage (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201601102) has US 141 shields on it.
Pretty stupid, especially since the one northwest of US 13-40 could easily be changed to US 202. But what I really don't like is that they're still making it difficult for southbound US 13 drivers to head north on I-295.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 22, 2022, 02:23:45 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95 SB Overnight Closure for Ramp Opening/Closure (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9054)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on April 24, 2022, 08:26:48 AM
US 13, US 40 to Memorial Drive Pedestrian Improvements Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15656)

Note that this map (https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=9008514&iProjectObjectID=49425) on the project webpage (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201601102) has US 141 shields on it.

Delaware has a history of missigning SR 141 as US 141:

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/uploads/guides/vidcaps/de-034_eb_at_de-141.jpg)

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/de-141-archive-north/de-141_nb_exit_001_26.jpg)

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/de-141-archive-north/de-141_nb_exit_003_26.jpg)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jemacedo9 on April 25, 2022, 08:30:06 AM
As of Saturday, DE 30 signage has not been removed (at least along the DE 24 concurrency, seeing it there made it clear to me not to bother on the rest that is planned to be removed).

As of this past Sat 4/23, DE 30 signage still exists west of US 113.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 27, 2022, 01:45:57 PM
(For DE 10)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Kent County - Intermittent Turn Lane closures Bay Road and SR 10 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9058)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 01, 2022, 02:25:04 PM
(For DE 1)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Traffic Pattern Switch coming on the Roth Bridge (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9060)

(For DE 24)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Lane Shifts and Lane Closures for Route 24/Main Street in Millsboro (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9063)

Five Points Transportation Study Public Meeting (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15875)

TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - New Operating Hours for the Woodland Ferry (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9065)

Dover Air Force Base (DAFB) Compatible Use Study Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15876)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: PurdueBill on May 01, 2022, 04:48:24 PM
Delaware has a history of missigning SR 141 as US 141:

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/de-141-archive-north/de-141_nb_exit_001_26.jpg)


The best part (or worst?) of the switcheroo of shield shapes (DE to US, US to DE) is that DE 202 is an actual route but not this one. 

Also I like how it is not a warning about bridges icing before highways; it's a requirement.  Hey bridges!  You had better be icing before highways.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: epzik8 on May 02, 2022, 05:30:53 PM
US 13 between Wrangle Hill and Dover is not daunting - I used it to shunpike DE 1 yesterday.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 03, 2022, 10:27:05 AM
US 13 between Wrangle Hill and Dover is not daunting - I used it to shunpike DE 1 yesterday.

That is surprising considering that NASCAR had to finish the Cup Series Race yesterday afternoon due to the rain Sunday.

TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Woodland Ferry Closed on Thursday, May 5, 2022 (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9071&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 04, 2022, 12:26:48 PM
(For DE 141)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - SB Route 141 Ramp onto NB I-95 to Close this Weekend (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9072&type=Traffic)

UPDATE:  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Postponed: SB Route 141 ramp onto NB I-95 to Close this Weekend (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9073&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 05, 2022, 02:39:58 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Temporary Closure of Woodland Friday, May 6 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9074)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 06, 2022, 05:34:50 PM
(For DE 141) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - SB Rt 141 Ramp on to NB I-95 to Close for Contruction (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9079)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 10, 2022, 09:31:01 AM
TRAFFIC ALERT - Statewide - Temporary Closure of Woodland (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9083&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on May 10, 2022, 11:59:14 AM
When will they break ground on the DE 1/DE 16 interchange?  Isn't that supposed to begin this year?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on May 10, 2022, 12:03:45 PM
(For DE 141) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - SB Rt 141 Ramp on to NB I-95 to Close for Contruction (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9079)

There was a long line of cars queued up this morning in the left lane on Basin Road, waiting to turn around at Commons Blvd, to take the ramp the other way.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 10, 2022, 12:15:32 PM
When will they break ground on the DE 1/DE 16 interchange?  Isn't that supposed to begin this year?

The project website indicates that construction will start in June. (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201500301)

Quote
Design and right-of-way acquisitions are complete. Utility relocations began in Fall 2021 and the road/bridge construction work is expected to begin in Spring 2022. The project was awarded to Adel Construction. Construction is expected to begin mid-June.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 17, 2022, 09:31:00 AM
Public Hearing For The Abandonment & Vacation of a Portion of Millers Neck Road Frankford, Delaware (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15915)

Five Points Transportation Study Public Meeting (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15875)

I received an email yesterday noting that this meeting has been postponed due to yesterday's severe weather.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on May 17, 2022, 10:19:13 AM
Public Hearing For The Abandonment & Vacation of a Portion of Millers Neck Road Frankford, Delaware (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15915)

Five Points Transportation Study Public Meeting (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15875)

I received an email yesterday noting that this meeting has been postponed due to yesterday's severe weather.

"If I were you I'd take a permanent vacation" (apologies to the Angels).

And that's what some want that stretch of road to do.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on May 19, 2022, 03:53:21 PM
Some plans for making improvements to the northern intersection between SR 4 / 7 in Stanton surfaced a little while ago, but interestingly DelDOT seems to be reevaluating the idea of extending Churchmans Road (and presumably SR 58?) through Delaware Park to connect to SR 2 near Milltown Road. That project has been floating around on WILMAPCO's long-range unfunded projects list for a while. Plans for the intersection itself seem pretty limited with only a couple extra turn lanes and lane extensions planned, it seems like they're hoping knocking both projects out without taking a bunch of properties will put a sizable dent in the capacity issues at area intersections.

https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T200011101 (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T200011101)


Plans for the I-295 NB third lane project got an update recently as well, with a roundabout now planned at the end of the I-95 Airport Road ramp.

https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202109101 (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202109101)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on May 19, 2022, 06:47:15 PM
I just processed a major subdivision of the Delaware Park property for New Castle County.  I don't know what all they want to do with it, but DelDOT might see an opportunity to come in and take what right-of-way they'd need.  If I see that (I process ROW takings too) I'll post it here.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: NJRoadfan on May 19, 2022, 08:35:51 PM
Plans for the I-295 NB third lane project got an update recently as well, with a roundabout now planned at the end of the I-95 Airport Road ramp.

https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202109101 (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202109101)

After endless construction here, now they decide to add a lane?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 19, 2022, 08:55:34 PM
Plans for the I-295 NB third lane project got an update recently as well, with a roundabout now planned at the end of the I-95 Airport Road ramp.

https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202109101 (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202109101)

After endless construction here, now they decide to add a lane?

What they did before was all part of the process to add that 3rd lane. This should be pretty easy to put in a lane now. 

The biggest project with the preferred alternative...even though it'll be 3 lanes for about 1/2 mile prior to the split, we'll still find a lot of crowding into the right 2 lanes from Rt. 1 to that point. 

Still not happy with the way they took I-295 on the SB side and made them lose a lane just after the merge with 95.  Seriously congests 295 now, especially during times when traffic was lighter and no congestion existed earlier.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 20, 2022, 12:53:03 PM
(For DE 299)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Traffic Light Change on Route 299 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9091)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on May 20, 2022, 02:44:15 PM
Plans for the I-295 NB third lane project got an update recently as well, with a roundabout now planned at the end of the I-95 Airport Road ramp.

https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202109101 (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202109101)

After endless construction here, now they decide to add a lane?

What they did before was all part of the process to add that 3rd lane. This should be pretty easy to put in a lane now. 

The biggest project with the preferred alternative...even though it'll be 3 lanes for about 1/2 mile prior to the split, we'll still find a lot of crowding into the right 2 lanes from Rt. 1 to that point. 

Still not happy with the way they took I-295 on the SB side and made them lose a lane just after the merge with 95.  Seriously congests 295 now, especially during times when traffic was lighter and no congestion existed earlier.
Agreed.
That area needs a rebuild that I hope someday happens as follows:

-295 SB remains 4 lanes after the 495 N exit
-295 SB becomes 3 lanes after the Newport exit
-295 then splits, the center and right lanes merge onto 95 south 'thru'
   -the left and center lane flyover to serve as the exit for 4A,B,C and 3

Going further

95SB at the 495 merge splits:
-3 lanes are 95 SB thru, 2 lanes are for exits 5-3.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 23, 2022, 10:36:47 AM
(For DE 6)  Br 2-010A on Woodland Beach Rd over Duck Creek Virtual Workshop

Quote
This workshop will be available online until 06/22/2022. View the workshop at: https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202007504
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 24, 2022, 02:22:25 PM
(For DE 1) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Army Corps to Switch Traffic Patterns for SR-1 Bridge Repairs (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9095&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 25, 2022, 01:13:20 PM
Southeast Sussex Study Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15936)

RESCHEDULED Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15937)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 31, 2022, 03:04:52 PM
(For US 13 and DE 1)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - NB Rt 13 Free Ramp onto NB DE Rt 1 to Close for Construction  (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9102&type=Traffic)

(For just DE 1) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Army Corps to switch traffic patterns for SR-1 Bridge Repairs (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9101&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on May 31, 2022, 10:27:10 PM
(For US 13 and DE 1)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - NB Rt 13 Free Ramp onto NB DE Rt 1 to Close for Construction  (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9102&type=Traffic)

At least it's not during the day.  Hope the old St. Georges Bridge (a landmark on my trips to the DE beaches while growing up in Delaware Co., PA) will hold up.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 01, 2022, 05:47:07 PM
(For DE 72)  Possum Park Road and Old Possum Park Road Intersection Improvements Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15917)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on June 01, 2022, 07:36:31 PM
(For DE 72)  Possum Park Road and Old Possum Park Road Intersection Improvements Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15917)

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A relocation of the Old Possum Park Road/Possum Park Road intersection is needed because it is too close to the existing Possum Park intersection with St. Regis Drive.

And it's been that way for how long?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on June 01, 2022, 11:35:36 PM
(For DE 72)  Possum Park Road and Old Possum Park Road Intersection Improvements Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15917)

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A relocation of the Old Possum Park Road/Possum Park Road intersection is needed because it is too close to the existing Possum Park intersection with St. Regis Drive.

And it's been that way for how long?

Since the neighborhood was built in the late '60s per Historic Aerials.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on June 06, 2022, 10:28:15 AM
Plans for the I-295 NB third lane project got an update recently as well, with a roundabout now planned at the end of the I-95 Airport Road ramp.

https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202109101 (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202109101)

After endless construction here, now they decide to add a lane?
Wait they finally are going to add a third NB lane at the 95/295 split?
Really?
Because that is such an obvious need and what seems to be an easy fix, NB at least.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 06, 2022, 05:04:56 PM
(For DE 1) SR1 Low-Stress Bikeways Study Public Meeting (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15956)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 09, 2022, 09:50:59 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95 work to require nightly closures beginning June 13th (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9110)

(For DE 1) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Traffic Pattern Change coming to the Roth Bridge on DE Rt 1 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9113)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on June 10, 2022, 07:25:55 PM
Forum to provide update on traffic study of West Fenwick area

https://www.coastalpoint.com/news/state/forum-to-provide-update-on-traffic-study-of-west-fenwick-area/article_17707526-e83d-11ec-b611-7bc4e9d2dfab.html

DE 54 (from Selbyville) and DE 20 (from Dagsboro, Millsboro, and Seaford) converge in West Fenwick.  Backups on DE 20/54 between there and DE 1 in Fenwick Island are common.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on June 11, 2022, 05:45:26 PM
Plans for the I-295 NB third lane project got an update recently as well, with a roundabout now planned at the end of the I-95 Airport Road ramp.

https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202109101 (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202109101)

After endless construction here, now they decide to add a lane?
Wait they finally are going to add a third NB lane at the 95/295 split?
Really?
Because that is such an obvious need and what seems to be an easy fix, NB at least.
???????
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 13, 2022, 09:17:46 AM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATE! I-95 work to require nightly closures beginning June 14th (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9110)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 14, 2022, 01:34:02 PM
(For US 13 and DE 404)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Intermittent Lane Closures at US 13 and Rifle Range Road Intersection (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9117&type=Traffic)

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DelDOT announces intermittent lane closures at US 13 at Rifle Range Road on Tuesday, June 21st. Work will consist of installing signing, pavement markings and tubular markers to implement intersection safety improvements at the intersection of US 13 and Rifle Range Road in Bridgeville.

The improvements will modify the existing median crossover to prevent traffic on Rifle Range Road from crossing or making a left-turn onto US 13. Traffic from eastbound or westbound Rifle Range Road will only be permitted to make a right-turn onto US 13. Traffic from US 13 will still be able to turn left or right onto eastbound or westbound Rifle Range Road.

The improvements are recommendations from DelDOT's Hazard Elimination Program. This intersection has a history of angle crashes, and the improvements will reduce intersection conflict points and eliminate the majority of cross-traffic, resulting in reductions in crashes at the intersection.

During implementation of the improvements, motorists should expect lane closures and possible traffic delays. Motorists are urged to use caution traveling through the work zone. Once the improvements are complete, motorists coming from the west wanting to travel north on US 13 should utilize S. Main Street to the signalized intersection at US 13 and SR 404. Motorists from the east wanting to travel south on US 13 should utilize Tatman Farm Road to SR 404 west to US 13 north. Directional signs will be installed to guide motorists to alternate routes.

For more information, visit DelDOT's website at www.deldot.gov or tune to WTMC-AM 1380.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 15, 2022, 10:30:02 AM
(For US 9)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Road Closure of Georgetown Rd between US 13, Sussex Hwy and Seaford Road (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9118)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 17, 2022, 03:10:22 PM
(For DE 261)  Foulk Road Reconstruction and Reconfiguration Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15979)

(For US 301)  Bridge 1-684 on South Heald Street Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15980)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on June 17, 2022, 07:12:10 PM
Forum to provide update on traffic study of West Fenwick area

https://www.coastalpoint.com/news/state/forum-to-provide-update-on-traffic-study-of-west-fenwick-area/article_17707526-e83d-11ec-b611-7bc4e9d2dfab.html

DE 54 (from Selbyville) and DE 20 (from Dagsboro, Millsboro, and Seaford) converge in West Fenwick.  Backups on DE 20/54 between there and DE 1 in Fenwick Island are common.

https://www.coastalpoint.com/news/state/deldot-hears-input-from-residents-of-routes-20-54-area/article_5638c05e-ed8f-11ec-805f-6fe6ce54724a.html

https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/southeast-sussex/

https://deldot.gov/projects/Studies/southeast-sussex/pdfs/Southeast%20Sussex%20Study_June%2014%20Public%20Meeting%20Presentation_FINALv1.pdf?cache=1655507394797
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on June 21, 2022, 07:56:42 AM
Looking at the DelDOT cam at 1 and 16, it looks like they're getting ready to start on split-leveling that intersection.  The equipment and portapotty are east of DE 1, especially on the golf course corner.  Barrels are up on the edges of the median (not blocking any lanes [yet]).

https://deldot.gov/map/index.shtml
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 21, 2022, 10:49:39 AM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95 Restore the Corridor Project to Require Over Night Closure of I-95 SB this Weekend (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9120&type=Traffic)

(For DE 1)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Traffic Delays on Route 1 NB/SB -- 25h Annual Running of the Bull Festival (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9121&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on June 21, 2022, 06:47:58 PM
Looking at the DelDOT cam at 1 and 16, it looks like they're getting ready to start on split-leveling that intersection.  The equipment and portapotty are east of DE 1, especially on the golf course corner.  Barrels are up on the edges of the median (not blocking any lanes [yet]).

https://deldot.gov/map/index.shtml

The groundbreaking was today.

https://www.wrde.com/news/construction-starts-on-overpass-at-route-1-and-route-16/article_0c0f10c6-f1a1-11ec-bbc8-7b26761bb119.html

https://www.capegazette.com/article/overpass-project-route-1-and-route-16-underway/241984
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on June 21, 2022, 08:10:40 PM
Looking at the DelDOT cam at 1 and 16, it looks like they're getting ready to start on split-leveling that intersection.  The equipment and portapotty are east of DE 1, especially on the golf course corner.  Barrels are up on the edges of the median (not blocking any lanes [yet]).

https://deldot.gov/map/index.shtml

The groundbreaking was today.

https://www.wrde.com/news/construction-starts-on-overpass-at-route-1-and-route-16/article_0c0f10c6-f1a1-11ec-bbc8-7b26761bb119.html

https://www.capegazette.com/article/overpass-project-route-1-and-route-16-underway/241984
Official link: https://news.delaware.gov/2022/06/21/deldot-marks-start-of-route-1-and-16-project/

I'm proposing a 2024 roadmeet for this one. Never had a meet in Lower Slower Delaware.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on June 21, 2022, 08:58:14 PM
I'm proposing a 2024 roadmeet for this one. Never had a meet in Lower Slower Delaware.

Not counting the Indian River meet?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Rothman on June 21, 2022, 11:00:55 PM
Isn't it Slower Lower? :D
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on June 21, 2022, 11:10:10 PM
I thought Delawareans just used Slower Delaware, with the lower implied within the Slower.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on June 22, 2022, 12:35:33 AM
I'm proposing a 2024 roadmeet for this one. Never had a meet in Lower Slower Delaware.

Not counting the Indian River meet?

I certainly wasn't at that one, but now I vaguely recall it being brought up.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on June 22, 2022, 12:36:05 AM
Isn't it Slower Lower? :D
You are correct upon a search, but there are plenty the way I had it, including one abbreviation: LSD > SLD
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: davewiecking on June 22, 2022, 06:27:21 AM
Isn't it Slower Lower? :D
You are correct upon a search, but there are plenty the way I had it, including one abbreviation: LSD > SLD
LSD stickers are on many cars. Never seen an SLD one.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on June 23, 2022, 06:26:33 PM
Few things:

1.  When is the 295 NB 3 lanes from 95 going to start and be done?
2.  Is 295 SB at 95 done, that is all they are doing?  Is there any chance they are going to do a real fix, like having 295 merge with 2 NOT 1 lane or even better, a flyover for DE-1 traffic.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 24, 2022, 05:44:14 AM
(For DE 1)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATE--Nighttime Lane Restrictions on DE Rt 1 in Bear (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9124)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 24, 2022, 07:17:36 PM
(For DE 279)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - New Traffic Pattern on Elkton Road for Reconstruction (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9126)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 30, 2022, 02:36:21 PM
(For DE 1)  SR 1 at Tybouts Corner Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15996)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on July 01, 2022, 03:05:23 AM
Construction on the SB 95 273 Ramp is basically wrapping up, they have repaved the ramp and roading leading to Harmony Rd, and they have added a 3rd lane on 273 WB ending as a right turn lane to Harmony road.

Traffic on the off ramp to make a right onto WB 273 moves quickly, and they have a sensor on the ramp which I assume triggers the light to stop backups to 95.

So far this temporary improvement is working and the loss of the free movement with the addition of the traffic signal wasn't detrimental.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 01, 2022, 11:07:44 AM
(For DE 24)  HSIP SC, SR 24 AT CAMP ARROW HEAD ROAD AND SR 24 AT ANGOLA ROAD has been awarded (http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicFinalBidtabDisplay&id=T201200902)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on July 01, 2022, 08:26:57 PM
(For DE 1)  SR 1 at Tybouts Corner Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15996)

I'm looking forward to seeing what ideas they have for this project, hopefully SR 1 will be prioritized as the more important thru route going forward.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on July 01, 2022, 08:30:42 PM
(For DE 1)  SR 1 at Tybouts Corner Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15996)

I'm looking forward to seeing what ideas they have for this project, hopefully SR 1 will be prioritized as the more important thru route going forward.

It 100% is now.

As it has been before but the completion of 301 and a Freeway to Middletown/Maryland really signifies the growth of the area and need to beef up infrastructure.

Tybouts Corner clearly hasn't really been modified since it's birth and has handled the traffic the growth has emerged; but its time for an upgrade and they should really turn that interchange into a 95/1 interchange that can fully handle all traffic for now and the future.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sbeaver44 on July 04, 2022, 10:42:42 PM
As of Saturday, DE 30 signage has not been removed (at least along the DE 24 concurrency, seeing it there made it clear to me not to bother on the rest that is planned to be removed).

As of this past Sat 4/23, DE 30 signage still exists west of US 113.
Still present as of Sun 7/3, both west of US 113 AND US 13.  Was on North 13 and saw a “West 30”  sign for a left turn. 

Later I took DE 24 from Seaford over to pickup DE 26 to Dagsboro.  On Sat 7/1 I took DE 26 down to MD.  Can confirm still signed as 24/30.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on July 05, 2022, 07:54:56 AM
(For DE 1)  SR 1 at Tybouts Corner Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15996)

I'm looking forward to seeing what ideas they have for this project, hopefully SR 1 will be prioritized as the more important thru route going forward.

It 100% is now.

As it has been before but the completion of 301 and a Freeway to Middletown/Maryland really signifies the growth of the area and need to beef up infrastructure.

Tybouts Corner clearly hasn't really been modified since it's birth and has handled the traffic the growth has emerged; but its time for an upgrade and they should really turn that interchange into a 95/1 interchange that can fully handle all traffic for now and the future.

A (now-retired afaik) traffic reporter on WDEL radio always referred to the flyover bringing nb 1 over 13 interchange 156 as "the jughandle at Tybouts Corner", as if that spot on the map was in New Jersey.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 06, 2022, 11:04:03 AM
(For US 13 and DE 12)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Kent County - Road Closure of US 13 Northbound at SR12 between Killens Pond Road and Memorial Ave (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9132)

(For US 13 and DE 14)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Kent County - US 13 Northbound at SR14 between Porter St. and Gordon St. (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9133)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on July 06, 2022, 08:20:38 PM
(For US 13 and DE 12)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Kent County - Road Closure of US 13 Northbound at SR12 between Killens Pond Road and Memorial Ave (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9132)

(For US 13 and DE 14)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Kent County - US 13 Northbound at SR14 between Porter St. and Gordon St. (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9133)

With good weather and luck, both projects will be done by the time the Delaware State Fair opens in the neighborhood of the 13/14 project.

But will drivers wanting/needing to directly cross NB US 13 on Routes 12 and 14 be able to do so?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 11, 2022, 09:14:59 AM
(For DE 72 and DE 71) SR72, MCCOY ROAD TO SR71 has been awarded (http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicFinalBidtabDisplay&id=T200601102)

(This is for the widening of DE 72.)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 12, 2022, 11:14:50 AM
(For I-95) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95 Restore the Corridor Project: Traffic Pattern Change near US 202 Interchange (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9135)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 14, 2022, 09:38:49 PM
https://www.drba.net/drba-schedules-bridge-deck-overlay-project-virtual-public-town-halls

Starting just after Labor Day, construction on the NJ-bound span will be taking place on the Delaware Memorial Bridge.

This includes what I believe is the first contra-flow lane into NJ via the Delaware-bound span since shortly after the bridge opened! It was used for 2 way travel just after its opening while the original span was rehabbed. While the crossovers and signage were placed in the medians for emergency crossovers, I don't believe it was ever used for such until barriers were put up to deter such a movement.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on July 14, 2022, 10:36:43 PM
https://www.drba.net/drba-schedules-bridge-deck-overlay-project-virtual-public-town-halls

Starting just after Labor Day, construction on the NJ-bound span will be taking place on the Delaware Memorial Bridge.

This includes what I believe is the first contra-flow lane into NJ via the Delaware-bound span since shortly after the bridge opened! It was used for 2 way travel just after its opening while the original span was rehabbed. While the crossovers and signage were placed in the medians for emergency crossovers, I don't believe it was ever used for such until barriers were put up to deter such a movement.
It's been used for crossovers at times one bridge needs to be closed.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 15, 2022, 09:17:34 AM
(For DE 24)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Nighttime Closure of SR 24 between Mulberry Knoll Road and Plantation Rd (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9143)

(For DE 279) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - New Traffic Pattern on Elkton Road Tonight (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9144)

(For DE 299)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Full Closure of Brick Mill Road for a Weekend (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9145)

(For DE 36 (which does not follow Slaughter Beach Rd...)) TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Closure of Cedar Creek Drawbridge (on SR36 east of Milford) (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9146)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 15, 2022, 09:19:02 AM
https://www.drba.net/drba-schedules-bridge-deck-overlay-project-virtual-public-town-halls

Starting just after Labor Day, construction on the NJ-bound span will be taking place on the Delaware Memorial Bridge.

This includes what I believe is the first contra-flow lane into NJ via the Delaware-bound span since shortly after the bridge opened! It was used for 2 way travel just after its opening while the original span was rehabbed. While the crossovers and signage were placed in the medians for emergency crossovers, I don't believe it was ever used for such until barriers were put up to deter such a movement.
It's been used for crossovers at times one bridge needs to be closed.

When? I've never seen it documented anywhere.  Never heard of a situation where it was done. And for the past 20+ years, barriers are in place to prevent easy crossovers.

Even several years ago when there was a suspension cable issue on the DE-bound span, they elected to keep 1 lane open (with huge traffic jams resulting) rather than to close the span and use the other span for 2 way operation.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Mapmikey on July 15, 2022, 10:29:19 AM
They are going to use 2-way traffic on the WB span for an upcoming project.  2 lanes will remain open on the EB bridge but a "bypass lane" will be put on the other span specifically for vehicles heading for the NJ Turnpike.

https://www.drba.net/drba-schedules-bridge-deck-overlay-project-virtual-public-town-halls
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 15, 2022, 04:18:43 PM
They are going to use 2-way traffic on the WB span for an upcoming project.  2 lanes will remain open on the EB bridge but a "bypass lane" will be put on the other span specifically for vehicles heading for the NJ Turnpike.

https://www.drba.net/drba-schedules-bridge-deck-overlay-project-virtual-public-town-halls

I know - that's what I wrote along with the link in my post!  :-D
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Mapmikey on July 15, 2022, 05:11:40 PM
They are going to use 2-way traffic on the WB span for an upcoming project.  2 lanes will remain open on the EB bridge but a "bypass lane" will be put on the other span specifically for vehicles heading for the NJ Turnpike.

https://www.drba.net/drba-schedules-bridge-deck-overlay-project-virtual-public-town-halls

I know - that's what I wrote along with the link in my post!  :-D

sorry...evidently I needed the 4 hour nap from which I just emerged...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: davewiecking on July 15, 2022, 06:50:47 PM
https://www.drba.net/drba-schedules-bridge-deck-overlay-project-virtual-public-town-halls

Starting just after Labor Day, construction on the NJ-bound span will be taking place on the Delaware Memorial Bridge.

This includes what I believe is the first contra-flow lane into NJ via the Delaware-bound span since shortly after the bridge opened! It was used for 2 way travel just after its opening while the original span was rehabbed. While the crossovers and signage were placed in the medians for emergency crossovers, I don't believe it was ever used for such until barriers were put up to deter such a movement.
So this means 3 lanes of traffic each way across the bay. The contraflow lane will use the existing crossovers, but there's no way any of that traffic could safely exit onto either I-295 or US-130. The bridge gets redecked in 2 stages, and carries 2 lanes (most of the time) towards NJ.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 15, 2022, 11:12:37 PM
https://www.drba.net/drba-schedules-bridge-deck-overlay-project-virtual-public-town-halls

Starting just after Labor Day, construction on the NJ-bound span will be taking place on the Delaware Memorial Bridge.

This includes what I believe is the first contra-flow lane into NJ via the Delaware-bound span since shortly after the bridge opened! It was used for 2 way travel just after its opening while the original span was rehabbed. While the crossovers and signage were placed in the medians for emergency crossovers, I don't believe it was ever used for such until barriers were put up to deter such a movement.
So this means 3 lanes of traffic each way across the bay. The contraflow lane will use the existing crossovers, but there's no way any of that traffic could safely exit onto either I-295 or US-130. The bridge gets redecked in 2 stages, and carries 2 lanes (most of the time) towards NJ.

Correct. Per the link, the contra-flow lane will be for NJ Tpk-bound traffic only.

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To accommodate anticipated traffic volumes, a bypass lane will also be provided diverting traffic around the construction. This bypass lane will divert traffic to the exterior lane of the Delaware-bound structure and will accommodate traffic bound for the New Jersey Turnpike only.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: famartin on July 18, 2022, 10:59:37 PM
As of Saturday, DE 30 signage has not been removed (at least along the DE 24 concurrency, seeing it there made it clear to me not to bother on the rest that is planned to be removed).

I toured that route recently (along with every other route in Kent and Sussex, working my way north thru New Castle presently)… what is being removed exactly?

Also, having now driven all of DE 15… why does it exist? I get the section from 13 to 14, but north of there, I see little purpose for its existence.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 19, 2022, 06:19:03 AM
As of Saturday, DE 30 signage has not been removed (at least along the DE 24 concurrency, seeing it there made it clear to me not to bother on the rest that is planned to be removed).

I toured that route recently (along with every other route in Kent and Sussex, working my way north thru New Castle presently)… what is being removed exactly?

Also, having now driven all of DE 15… why does it exist? I get the section from 13 to 14, but north of there, I see little purpose for its existence.

It was supposed to be the entire route south of the north end of the DE 24 concurrency just north of Millsboro.  (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2680762#msg2680762)

In regard to DE 15, I think you just manifested an appearance of Mr. Angery from the roadwaywiz webinars.   :-D

However, I think there are plenty of PA routes that are just as crazy with turns as DE 15 is.   A few that I can think of offhand that have sections that seem similar to DE 15 (though usually with less concurrencies) are PA 645, PA 125, PA 372, PA 235, PA 63, PA 32, PA 997, PA 441, etc.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: famartin on July 19, 2022, 07:36:00 AM
As of Saturday, DE 30 signage has not been removed (at least along the DE 24 concurrency, seeing it there made it clear to me not to bother on the rest that is planned to be removed).

I toured that route recently (along with every other route in Kent and Sussex, working my way north thru New Castle presently)… what is being removed exactly?

Also, having now driven all of DE 15… why does it exist? I get the section from 13 to 14, but north of there, I see little purpose for its existence.

It was supposed to be the entire route south of the north end of the DE 24 concurrency just north of Millsboro.  (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2680762#msg2680762)

In regard to DE 15, I think you just manifested an appearance of Mr. Angery from the roadwaywiz webinars.   :-D

However, I think there are plenty of PA routes that are just as crazy with turns as DE 15 is.   A few that I can think of offhand that have sections that seem similar to DE 15 (though usually with less concurrencies) are PA 645, PA 125, PA 372, PA 235, PA 63, PA 32, PA 997, PA 441, etc.

Ah, ok. Yeah, when I drove 30 a few weeks ago, it was still completely signed straight back to the old US 13 alignment. Seems very lightly travelled in that stretch, so I can see why, but then again, why trim 30 but not 15? 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on July 20, 2022, 03:21:40 PM
(For DE 1)  SR 1 at Tybouts Corner Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15996)

I'm looking forward to seeing what ideas they have for this project, hopefully SR 1 will be prioritized as the more important thru route going forward.

It 100% is now.

As it has been before but the completion of 301 and a Freeway to Middletown/Maryland really signifies the growth of the area and need to beef up infrastructure.

Tybouts Corner clearly hasn't really been modified since it's birth and has handled the traffic the growth has emerged; but its time for an upgrade and they should really turn that interchange into a 95/1 interchange that can fully handle all traffic for now and the future.

A (now-retired afaik) traffic reporter on WDEL radio always referred to the flyover bringing nb 1 over 13 interchange 156 as "the jughandle at Tybouts Corner", as if that spot on the map was in New Jersey.


Here's a video on the preferred alternative for improving the SR 1 at the Tybouts Corner area.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: famartin on July 20, 2022, 06:25:00 PM
Another question: DelDOT seems quite sure that US 202 ends at 95 north of Wilmington, but I see references to it continuing along 95 down to 141 on the internet. Was it truncated?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 20, 2022, 06:50:01 PM
Another question: DelDOT seems quite sure that US 202 ends at 95 north of Wilmington, but I see references to it continuing along 95 down to 141 on the internet. Was it truncated?

It is still posted from US 13/US 40 in New Castle last I checked. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6785414,-75.5918825,3a,75y,40.37h,80.33t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sa9hAc06sxj8omh5UWriLAQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Da9hAc06sxj8omh5UWriLAQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D245.53139%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: famartin on July 20, 2022, 07:55:21 PM
Another question: DelDOT seems quite sure that US 202 ends at 95 north of Wilmington, but I see references to it continuing along 95 down to 141 on the internet. Was it truncated?

It is still posted from US 13/US 40 in New Castle last I checked. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6785414,-75.5918825,3a,75y,40.37h,80.33t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sa9hAc06sxj8omh5UWriLAQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Da9hAc06sxj8omh5UWriLAQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D245.53139%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)

Haven’t driven that way just yet but will before months end. Otherwise refs to 202 along 95 are absent from Wilmington proper south.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on July 20, 2022, 08:32:14 PM
(For DE 1)  SR 1 at Tybouts Corner Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15996)

I'm looking forward to seeing what ideas they have for this project, hopefully SR 1 will be prioritized as the more important thru route going forward.

It 100% is now.

As it has been before but the completion of 301 and a Freeway to Middletown/Maryland really signifies the growth of the area and need to beef up infrastructure.

Tybouts Corner clearly hasn't really been modified since it's birth and has handled the traffic the growth has emerged; but its time for an upgrade and they should really turn that interchange into a 95/1 interchange that can fully handle all traffic for now and the future.

A (now-retired afaik) traffic reporter on WDEL radio always referred to the flyover bringing nb 1 over 13 interchange 156 as "the jughandle at Tybouts Corner", as if that spot on the map was in New Jersey.


Here's a video on the preferred alternative for improving the SR 1 at the Tybouts Corner area.

That was quick!
I'm glad they're restriping the SB merge ahead of the full project getting underway.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 20, 2022, 11:05:08 PM
(For DE 1)  SR 1 at Tybouts Corner Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15996)

I'm looking forward to seeing what ideas they have for this project, hopefully SR 1 will be prioritized as the more important thru route going forward.

It 100% is now.

As it has been before but the completion of 301 and a Freeway to Middletown/Maryland really signifies the growth of the area and need to beef up infrastructure.

Tybouts Corner clearly hasn't really been modified since it's birth and has handled the traffic the growth has emerged; but its time for an upgrade and they should really turn that interchange into a 95/1 interchange that can fully handle all traffic for now and the future.

A (now-retired afaik) traffic reporter on WDEL radio always referred to the flyover bringing nb 1 over 13 interchange 156 as "the jughandle at Tybouts Corner", as if that spot on the map was in New Jersey.


Here's a video on the preferred alternative for improving the SR 1 at the Tybouts Corner area.

Other than the 2 continuous lanes for DE 1 SB, and merging US 13 SB down to 1 lane, the rest seems to be a bit of a waste.  The traffic light they want to remove on US 13 isn't causing that much of an issue.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on July 21, 2022, 01:02:47 AM
(For DE 1)  SR 1 at Tybouts Corner Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15996)

I'm looking forward to seeing what ideas they have for this project, hopefully SR 1 will be prioritized as the more important thru route going forward.

It 100% is now.

As it has been before but the completion of 301 and a Freeway to Middletown/Maryland really signifies the growth of the area and need to beef up infrastructure.

Tybouts Corner clearly hasn't really been modified since it's birth and has handled the traffic the growth has emerged; but its time for an upgrade and they should really turn that interchange into a 95/1 interchange that can fully handle all traffic for now and the future.

A (now-retired afaik) traffic reporter on WDEL radio always referred to the flyover bringing nb 1 over 13 interchange 156 as "the jughandle at Tybouts Corner", as if that spot on the map was in New Jersey.


Here's a video on the preferred alternative for improving the SR 1 at the Tybouts Corner area.

Other than the 2 continuous lanes for DE 1 SB, and merging US 13 SB down to 1 lane, the rest seems to be a bit of a waste.  The traffic light they want to remove on US 13 isn't causing that much of an issue.
I agree with you 100%. It really seems like they are just putting a bandaid on the area with some upgrades that should have been done years ago. If they really wanted to improve this area they would redo the NB & SB 1 ramps to handle traffic & speed correctly, and also realign Hamburg Rd away from SB 1.


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Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on July 21, 2022, 08:06:51 AM
(For DE 1)  SR 1 at Tybouts Corner Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=15996)

I'm looking forward to seeing what ideas they have for this project, hopefully SR 1 will be prioritized as the more important thru route going forward.

It 100% is now.

As it has been before but the completion of 301 and a Freeway to Middletown/Maryland really signifies the growth of the area and need to beef up infrastructure.

Tybouts Corner clearly hasn't really been modified since it's birth and has handled the traffic the growth has emerged; but its time for an upgrade and they should really turn that interchange into a 95/1 interchange that can fully handle all traffic for now and the future.

A (now-retired afaik) traffic reporter on WDEL radio always referred to the flyover bringing nb 1 over 13 interchange 156 as "the jughandle at Tybouts Corner", as if that spot on the map was in New Jersey.


Here's a video on the preferred alternative for improving the SR 1 at the Tybouts Corner area.

Other than the 2 continuous lanes for DE 1 SB, and merging US 13 SB down to 1 lane, the rest seems to be a bit of a waste.  The traffic light they want to remove on US 13 isn't causing that much of an issue.

The signal removal is due to wrecks with people flying off SR 1 not realizing the freeway ends more than congestion, I just hope they aren't simply moving the worst wrecks to the Hamburg Road intersection.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on July 21, 2022, 10:37:22 AM
Another question: DelDOT seems quite sure that US 202 ends at 95 north of Wilmington, but I see references to it continuing along 95 down to 141 on the internet. Was it truncated?

Haven’t driven that way just yet but will before months end. Otherwise refs to 202 along 95 are absent from Wilmington proper south.

Sign plans for I-95 south at SR 141 removed US 202 when the interchange was being reconstructed. Similarly the sign plans on SR 141 north at I-95 north only included a shield assembly for U.S. 202:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2508526#msg2508526

So US 202 is still considered to be concurrent with SR 141 along Basin Road, but DelDOT does a very sparse job of signing it. It has never been fully signed. And that being said, growing up in Delaware, no one ever referred to U.S. 202 along Basin Road, its was always just "141".

Per the 1984 application to AASHTO for the relocation of U.S. 202:

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Extend U.S. 202 from existing U.S. 202 and I-95 along I-95 to Route 141 and along Route 141 to U.S. 13.

This is to provide a high capacity safe connection between U.S. 13, a major north-south route, and U.S. 202, a major route into Pennsylvania and the Pennsylvania Turnpike. Prior to I-95 opening, U.S. 202 connected to U.S. 13 across City of Wilmington Streets. The Department has received continuing requests for a re-establishment of a connection.

Quote
The rationale behind Delaware Department of Transportation's proposal to use Delaware Route 141 link with U.S. Route 13 over I-295 is as follows:

1) The section of I-295, just west of the Farnhurst Interchange is considered a high hazard location. A total of 34 accidents were reported in 1981-82-83.

2) The short weaving distance where I-495 merges with I-295 is undesirable for high traffic volume. Eastbound traffic from I-295 toward the U.S. Route 13 exit at the Farnhurst Interchange must weave to the right hand lane which conflicts with the thru traffic and is potentially hazardous.

3) Westbound traffic from U.S. Route 13 onto I-295 has to use a heavily impacted ramp that features a poor Level of Service. The average annual daily traffic (AADT) at this ramp in 1983 was 18,332–the highest in the State.

4) I-295 is used as a major truck corridor between New York City and those states south of Delaware.

The weaving traffic pattern along Interstate 295 was finally eliminated in 2010 when a barrier was added separating traffic between I-95/495 entrance ramp and the U.S. 13/40 southbound exit ramp.

There is no reason to keep U.S. 202 along the overlaps with I-95 and SR 141, other than perhaps red tape.
Bob told me there has been some discussion for truncating U.S. 202 northward back to Wilmington, and also potentially having it extend south over SR 202 to U.S. 13 Business.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: odditude on July 21, 2022, 09:11:33 PM
Another question: DelDOT seems quite sure that US 202 ends at 95 north of Wilmington, but I see references to it continuing along 95 down to 141 on the internet. Was it truncated?

It is still posted from US 13/US 40 in New Castle last I checked. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6785414,-75.5918825,3a,75y,40.37h,80.33t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sa9hAc06sxj8omh5UWriLAQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Da9hAc06sxj8omh5UWriLAQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D245.53139%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)

Haven’t driven that way just yet but will before months end. Otherwise refs to 202 along 95 are absent from Wilmington proper south.

while there's nothing along the majority of the concurrency, there is at its south end (1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7075678,-75.5977525,3a,75y,224.72h,89.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4NtlmnbWXjl0oStxXDMvSA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192), 2 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7070418,-75.5987227,3a,75y,216.95h,98.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shxFce7JE23W3ipS2MUOjow!2e0!7i16384!8i8192), 3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7053384,-75.601537,3a,75y,243.59h,101.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOfieSUA_ca1cZoshvgaEIw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 21, 2022, 10:24:40 PM
Another question: DelDOT seems quite sure that US 202 ends at 95 north of Wilmington, but I see references to it continuing along 95 down to 141 on the internet. Was it truncated?

It is still posted from US 13/US 40 in New Castle last I checked. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6785414,-75.5918825,3a,75y,40.37h,80.33t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sa9hAc06sxj8omh5UWriLAQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Da9hAc06sxj8omh5UWriLAQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D245.53139%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)

Haven’t driven that way just yet but will before months end. Otherwise refs to 202 along 95 are absent from Wilmington proper south.

while there's nothing along the majority of the concurrency, there is at its south end (1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7075678,-75.5977525,3a,75y,224.72h,89.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4NtlmnbWXjl0oStxXDMvSA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192), 2 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7070418,-75.5987227,3a,75y,216.95h,98.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shxFce7JE23W3ipS2MUOjow!2e0!7i16384!8i8192), 3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7053384,-75.601537,3a,75y,243.59h,101.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOfieSUA_ca1cZoshvgaEIw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)).

This signage is gone.  It's been replaced by some awful looking APL signage (large if not large/thick arrows, then small shields and font using the 3/4 height error), then only references 141 North for Exit 5B, and South 141 To US 13 for Exit 5A.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on July 22, 2022, 11:52:52 AM
Just off the "Forgotten Mile" that is DE 1's bypass of Rehoboth Beach, a portion of Old Bay Road aka Road 272B is closed for what I assume is reconstruction.  Old Bay is closed from its dogleg junction with DE 1 to the rear entrance of the Valero.

The open portion of Old Bay Road is accessible from DE 1 nb and sb via Ann Avenue.

https://goo.gl/maps/eBAxDBfCHXfPJetu6
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: odditude on July 22, 2022, 08:22:55 PM
Another question: DelDOT seems quite sure that US 202 ends at 95 north of Wilmington, but I see references to it continuing along 95 down to 141 on the internet. Was it truncated?

It is still posted from US 13/US 40 in New Castle last I checked. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6785414,-75.5918825,3a,75y,40.37h,80.33t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sa9hAc06sxj8omh5UWriLAQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Da9hAc06sxj8omh5UWriLAQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D245.53139%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)

Haven’t driven that way just yet but will before months end. Otherwise refs to 202 along 95 are absent from Wilmington proper south.

while there's nothing along the majority of the concurrency, there is at its south end (1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7075678,-75.5977525,3a,75y,224.72h,89.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4NtlmnbWXjl0oStxXDMvSA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192), 2 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7070418,-75.5987227,3a,75y,216.95h,98.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shxFce7JE23W3ipS2MUOjow!2e0!7i16384!8i8192), 3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7053384,-75.601537,3a,75y,243.59h,101.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOfieSUA_ca1cZoshvgaEIw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)).

This signage is gone.  It's been replaced by some awful looking APL signage (large if not large/thick arrows, then small shields and font using the 3/4 height error), then only references 141 North for Exit 5B, and South 141 To US 13 for Exit 5A.

lovely. i'll be driving past there both ways this weekend, so i'm looking forward (?) to seeing it.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: famartin on July 26, 2022, 05:47:41 PM
So, followup on my earlier inquiry, essentially answering my own question...

Yes, 202 is still signed on US 13/40 near New Castle in both directions with BGS's. Its not signed on any other approaches I could see. Along 141 itself, there are exactly 3 references to 202:  2 northbound (a shield at the start of it at 13/40 and a shield indicating it exits onto I-95 northbound), and 1 southbound (an END 202 shield at 13/40). 

Regarding highway sign fonts:  Has Delaware mostly abandoned Clearview?  It seems like a fair number of newer signs are back to using gothic.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 27, 2022, 09:11:12 AM
(For DE 299)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Closure of the exit from the Dove Run Shopping Center onto Brick Mill Road (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9153)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Emergency Closure of Silver Lake Road at the Silver Lake Dam (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9154)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 30, 2022, 07:00:13 AM
(For DE 279)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - New Traffic Pattern on Elkton Road, between Stone Gate Boulevard and Casho Mill Road (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9160)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 09, 2022, 09:00:43 AM
(For DE 2)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Traffic Pattern Shift on Kirkwood Highway Bridge (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9165&type=Traffic)

(For DE 1)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Kent County - Dover Toll Plaza Northbound EZ-Pass Highway Speed Lane Closure - 8/10/22 (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9166&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on August 10, 2022, 11:37:30 AM
Casho Mill Road's new clanker balls prevented their first bridge strike the other day. (https://www.wdel.com/news/kaboom-averted/article_8973247e-18b8-11ed-95c8-abf5281fe7f4.html)
The new signs approaching the bridge read "STOP NOW! Or KABOOM"  :-D

(https://i.imgur.com/GNHrVk1.png)

Tangentially related, but Newark is attempting to resurrect the old western bypass plans in order to extend Christiana Parkway past SR 279, through Suburban Plaza, and through the woods to connect to Barksdale Road in order to reduce the area's reliance on Casho Mill Road's underpass and give large vehicles an alternative route.
https://newarkde.gov/Archive.aspx?AMID=95&Type=&ADID= (https://newarkde.gov/Archive.aspx?AMID=95&Type=&ADID=)

(https://i.imgur.com/UATLvzm.png)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 10, 2022, 11:47:13 AM
(For DE 1)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Kent County - Dover Toll Plaza Northbound EZ-Pass Highway Speed Lane Closure - 8/10/22 (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9166&type=Traffic)

(For DE 1)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Kent County - Dover Toll Plaza Northbound EZ-Pass Highway Speed Lane Closure - 8/11/22 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9166)

(For DE 2)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Traffic Pattern Shift on Kirkwood Highway Bridge (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9165&type=Traffic)

(For DE 2)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATE on the Traffic Pattern Shift on Kirkwood Highway Bridge (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9167)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 11, 2022, 11:45:49 AM
(For DE 15 at DE 8)  HEP KC, SR 8 AND SR 15 INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS has been awarded (http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicFinalBidtabDisplay&id=T201500201)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 12, 2022, 01:14:51 PM
(For DE 52)  New Castle County - DelDOT Preparing for Golf Tournament Traffic Impacts (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9168)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 16, 2022, 08:46:49 AM
(For I-495 and US 13)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Lane Restrictions Coming to I-495 Over Rt 13 in Minquadale (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9169&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 17, 2022, 09:04:18 AM
Sussex County - DelDOT to Replace Woodland Ferry Captain House (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9171)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on August 22, 2022, 07:58:56 AM
Re the new 4-way stop at DE 14 and Killens Pond Rd./Deep Creek Lane:  Was a stoplight ever considered at that accident prone intersection?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 23, 2022, 09:53:22 AM
Re the new 4-way stop at DE 14 and Killens Pond Rd./Deep Creek Lane:  Was a stoplight ever considered at that accident prone intersection?

I'd assume that the traffic volumes did not justify a traffic signal.

(For I-95 and US 202)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95 Northbound Traffic Pattern Change Near Rt 202 (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9175&type=Traffic)

(For DE 14)  Kent County - Road Closure of Milford Harrington Highway(SR 14) between Porter Street and Gordon Street (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9178&type=News)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 29, 2022, 03:42:42 PM
(For I-95)  New Castle County - Restore the Corridor Public Meeting (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9188&type=News)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 02, 2022, 11:53:43 AM
(For DE 12)  Kent County - Nighttime Closure of State Route 12 at US 13 Intersection (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9191)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 03, 2022, 09:01:35 PM
I am currently wondering if it has been proposed that DE 10 be aligned onto the Camden (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201709503) Bypass (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201709502) once it is complete. 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 06, 2022, 09:49:57 AM
TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Closure of The Woodland Ferry (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9195&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 06, 2022, 10:53:18 AM
I am currently wondering if it has been proposed that DE 10 be aligned onto the Camden (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201709503) Bypass (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201709502) once it is complete.

Delaware's not been very good at ensuring primary corridors have continuous designations lately, so I wouldn't be shocked if nothing was done with the current routing of DE 10 once the bypass is finished. The lack of a consistent designation on old US 301 between Middletown and Glasgow once the toll road was finished comes to mind.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 07, 2022, 10:25:17 AM
(For DE 12?)  Frederica Road Concept Plans Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=16198)

(For DE 299)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Traffic Pattern Switch on SR 299 between SR 1 and Dove Run Blvd (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9197)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 09, 2022, 01:33:44 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - WEEKEND CLOSURE EXIT 7A/DELAWARE AVE. RAMP and I-95 SOUTHBOUND (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9200)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on September 10, 2022, 08:58:34 PM
(For DE 12?)  Frederica Road Concept Plans Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=16198)

Is that question mark a typo?

Frederica Road is indeed part of DE 12 from "downtown" Frederica "east" (compass north) out to its termination at DE 1's North Frederica interchange (DE 1 exit 86).

Coming in from Felton and points west, DE 12 becomes a one-way pair.  EB follows David St. to Frederica Rd. where it turns left for DE 1.  DE 12 WB turns right at Front St. and follows the latter out of town.

South of David St., Frederica Rd. appears to be unsigned.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 11, 2022, 07:14:18 AM
^No, not a typo because I am unsure how much (if any) of DE 12 is related to this.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 12, 2022, 12:15:49 PM
(For DE 24)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Closure of Camp Arrow Head Road between SR 24 and Angola Road (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9201)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 13, 2022, 11:00:42 AM
(For DE 24 at DE 5 NB/DE 23)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Nighttime Lane Closures at Route 24 and Route 5/Route 23 Intersection (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9202&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on September 19, 2022, 07:26:58 AM
So I know pre-2020 DE did work on 295 between the DMBR and 95, what was the configuration prior?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 19, 2022, 04:44:16 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Closure of NB I-95 off ramp to Maryland Ave and MLK Blvd (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9208)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 23, 2022, 11:04:47 AM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Weekend Closure of SB I-95 and 2nd Street on ramp (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9212)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Overnight Ramp Closures on Southbound I-95 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9213)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 27, 2022, 11:14:35 AM
Sears Blvd Extension Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=16257)  (affects DE 4)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95 Southbound, Overnight Ramp Closures-UPDATE (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9213)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 28, 2022, 11:37:36 AM
I-95 Restore the Corridor Project Update Virtual Meeting Public Meeting (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=16259)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 29, 2022, 03:50:13 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Revised Weekend Closure of SB I-95 and 2nd Street on ramp (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9212)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - 2nd Street On-Ramp to SB I-95 Closed for Several Nights (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9220)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 30, 2022, 11:43:51 AM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Overnight Ramp Closure on SB I-95 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9221)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 03, 2022, 02:35:28 PM
FIVE POINTS TRANSPORTATION STUDY Public Meeting (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=16277)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: TheOneKEA on October 03, 2022, 07:04:35 PM
What are the long-term plans for improvements to DE 404 between the state line and the Bridgeville bypass?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on October 03, 2022, 11:12:32 PM
What are the long-term plans for improvements to DE 404 between the state line and the Bridgeville bypass?

There are none, currently.  But it appears that the corridor was under study (https://www.wrde.com/deldot-studying-route-404-and-route-16-proposes-future-changes/article_7f7d67bf-0622-51bf-82d2-8d4dcad9da14.html) as of last year.  The article lists a project website but there's no real information on it beyond what the article mentions.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: RoadPelican on October 04, 2022, 10:22:27 AM
The hope has always been if Maryland gets their portion of 404 widened, then hopefully Delaware will get really angry at the backups on their state line from 404 dropping from 4 to 2 lanes and actually do something about it.

If I were a betting man, I would say Delaware widens 404 from the coast to US 113 first because that is where more population growth is happening.

With Maryland, I just looked at the State Transportation Plan and the only thing on the plan related to 404 is a $450,000 study for the 404 corridor from Sennett Road (where road goes from 4 to 2 lanes currently) out to MD 16.

No actual construction will start until 2029 at the earliest and then it's a matter of having a Governor who is going to be friendly to the Eastern Shore when it comes to highway projects. Hogan was great, O'Malley was fair, but Glendening was horrible.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on October 05, 2022, 01:07:06 PM
The hope has always been if Maryland gets their portion of 404 widened, then hopefully Delaware will get really angry at the backups on their state line from 404 dropping from 4 to 2 lanes and actually do something about it.

If I were a betting man, I would say Delaware widens 404 from the coast to US 113 first because that is where more population growth is happening.

With Maryland, I just looked at the State Transportation Plan and the only thing on the plan related to 404 is a $450,000 study for the 404 corridor from Sennett Road (where road goes from 4 to 2 lanes currently) out to MD 16.

No actual construction will start until 2029 at the earliest and then it's a matter of having a Governor who is going to be friendly to the Eastern Shore when it comes to highway projects. Hogan was great, O'Malley was fair, but Glendening was horrible.

And FWTW it's been 36 years since MD had an ES native as guv (Denton's Harry Hughes, who was a two termer, whose name graces the MD 404 bypass bridge over the Choptank).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 05, 2022, 05:42:23 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - SB I-95 CLOSED This Weekend Through Wilmington (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9224&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 06, 2022, 11:08:12 AM
(For DE 299)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Traffic Pattern Shift on Route 299 in Middletown (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9225&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on October 07, 2022, 10:03:17 PM
https://goo.gl/maps/6xKJq1FfoMcEcDjk9
Workers caught replacing a suspender on the Delaware Memorial Bridge by GSV.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on October 08, 2022, 07:12:32 PM
So let me ask, pre 2017, from 95/295 to the DEMB, what were the improvements that were made?
I recall 295 NB at the 95 junction was under construction.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on October 09, 2022, 03:56:17 PM
So let me ask, pre 2017, from 95/295 to the DEMB, what were the improvements that were made?
I recall 295 NB at the 95 junction was under construction.

Work starting in 1999 rebuilt the interchange with U.S. 13. Construction from 2001 to 2003 resurfaced I-295 and also rebuilt the interchange with SR 9 (New Castle Avenue).

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/us-013-de-archive-south/us-013_sb_at_i-295_22.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/us-013-de-archive-south/us-013_sb_at_i-295_22.jpg)

09/09/04

The I-295/U.S. 13 interchange improvements project ultimately resulted in the removal of the left entrance ramp from U.S. 13 south to I-295 north:

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/us-013-de-archive-south/us-013_sb_at_i-295_24.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/us-013-de-archive-south/us-013_sb_at_i-295_24.jpg)

May 2000

The U-turn added along U.S. 13 north of I-295 served as the new movement from I-95/495 south to U.S. 13 south...

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/i-295-de-archive/i-295_nb_exit_001_30.jpg)

03/19/04

...aimed to eliminating the weaving traffic pattern where traffic crossed lanes from the left to exit on the right:

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/i-295-de-archive/i-295_nb_exit_001_26.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/i-295-de-archive/i-295_nb_exit_001_26.jpg)

01/01/05

The barrier separating traffic entering I-295 north from I-95/495 south and I-95/SR 141 north was added during 2008/09 construction:

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/i-295-de-archive/i-295_nb_exit_001_11.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/i-295-de-archive/i-295_nb_exit_001_11.jpg)

07/08/10

Have this covered at https://www.aaroads.com/guides/i-295-de/
and archive photos posted at https://www.aaroads.com/albums/nggallery/delaware
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on October 09, 2022, 04:51:33 PM
https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/apple-rd-n-at-de-896.jpg
Good grief more lime green bike lanes.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 10, 2022, 12:25:37 PM
DelDOT has a new arcgis page set up for archived projects here:
https://deldot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=2fb554d1888a4f9c8c4a3085852a9f55 (https://deldot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=2fb554d1888a4f9c8c4a3085852a9f55)

Notable things I've found include a set of plans for the "Bay Bridge Connector Highway", or what would have been US 301, between US 40 and I-95. There's also some linework for the unbuilt SR 72 connector between the north end of Paper Mill Road and Stoney Batter Road that I've never been able to find any history on.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on October 11, 2022, 07:30:05 AM
DelDOT has a new arcgis page set up for archived projects here:
https://deldot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=2fb554d1888a4f9c8c4a3085852a9f55 (https://deldot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=2fb554d1888a4f9c8c4a3085852a9f55)

Notable things I've found include a set of plans for the "Bay Bridge Connector Highway", or what would have been US 301, between US 40 and I-95. There's also some linework for the unbuilt SR 72 connector between the north end of Paper Mill Road and Stoney Batter Road that I've never been able to find any history on.

I clicked the link. It brought up a blank map devoid of symbols and blurb.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 11, 2022, 08:44:27 AM
(For DE 72, I-95, and sort of for DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Utility Relocation on Rt 72 Under I-95 (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9228&type=Traffic)  (update (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9229&type=Traffic))

(For I-95)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95 Southbound--Extended Weekend Closure (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9227&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on October 11, 2022, 08:45:23 AM
DelDOT has a new arcgis page set up for archived projects here:
https://deldot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=2fb554d1888a4f9c8c4a3085852a9f55 (https://deldot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=2fb554d1888a4f9c8c4a3085852a9f55)

Notable things I've found include a set of plans for the "Bay Bridge Connector Highway", or what would have been US 301, between US 40 and I-95. There's also some linework for the unbuilt SR 72 connector between the north end of Paper Mill Road and Stoney Batter Road that I've never been able to find any history on.

I clicked the link. It brought up a blank map devoid of symbols and blurb.

Need to zoom in at least 4 levels.  Project show up zoomed in.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 11, 2022, 01:49:14 PM
As of Saturday, DE 30 signage has not been removed (at least along the DE 24 concurrency, seeing it there made it clear to me not to bother on the rest that is planned to be removed).

As of this past Sat 4/23, DE 30 signage still exists west of US 113.
Still present as of Sun 7/3, both west of US 113 AND US 13.  Was on North 13 and saw a “West 30”  sign for a left turn. 

Later I took DE 24 from Seaford over to pickup DE 26 to Dagsboro.  On Sat 7/1 I took DE 26 down to MD.  Can confirm still signed as 24/30.

The DE 30 truncation page on DelDOT's website shows sign removal as beginning in Summer 2022.... (https://deldot.gov/projects/archived/proposed-SR30-declassification-west-of-Millsboro/)

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: famartin on October 11, 2022, 05:12:51 PM
As of Saturday, DE 30 signage has not been removed (at least along the DE 24 concurrency, seeing it there made it clear to me not to bother on the rest that is planned to be removed).

As of this past Sat 4/23, DE 30 signage still exists west of US 113.
Still present as of Sun 7/3, both west of US 113 AND US 13.  Was on North 13 and saw a “West 30”  sign for a left turn. 

Later I took DE 24 from Seaford over to pickup DE 26 to Dagsboro.  On Sat 7/1 I took DE 26 down to MD.  Can confirm still signed as 24/30.

The DE 30 truncation page on DelDOT's website shows sign removal as beginning in Summer 2022.... (https://deldot.gov/projects/archived/proposed-SR30-declassification-west-of-Millsboro/)

Was still signed in early July, but haven’t been down there since.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on October 11, 2022, 08:45:23 PM
DelDOT has a new arcgis page set up for archived projects here:
https://deldot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=2fb554d1888a4f9c8c4a3085852a9f55 (https://deldot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=2fb554d1888a4f9c8c4a3085852a9f55)

Notable things I've found include a set of plans for the "Bay Bridge Connector Highway", or what would have been US 301, between US 40 and I-95. There's also some linework for the unbuilt SR 72 connector between the north end of Paper Mill Road and Stoney Batter Road that I've never been able to find any history on.

I clicked the link. It brought up a blank map devoid of symbols and blurb.

Need to zoom in at least 4 levels.  Project show up zoomed in.

I went back to the link tonight and zoomed it.  Very nice.  Plenty of circles and polygons to click on.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 12, 2022, 02:10:07 PM
(For DE 15)  McKee/Saulsbury Road Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=16357)  (I really wish there was more notice on this one.)

(For DE 72, I-95, and sort of for DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Utility Relocation on Rt 72 Under I-95 (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9228&type=Traffic)  (update (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9229&type=Traffic))

(For DE 72, I-95, and sort of for DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - 2nd Update for Utility Relocation on Rt 72 under I-95. (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9231)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 13, 2022, 10:32:44 AM
(For DE 15)  McKee/Saulsbury Road Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=16357)  (I really wish there was more notice on this one.)

Apparently so did DelDOT, the announcement got taken down. I don't even see a project on their Projects Portal for this yet.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 13, 2022, 10:37:01 AM
(For DE 15)  McKee/Saulsbury Road Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=16357)  (I really wish there was more notice on this one.)

Apparently so did DelDOT, the announcement got taken down. I don't even see a project on their Projects Portal for this yet.

That is weird.  I did attend this last night so it did happen.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 13, 2022, 11:49:25 AM
(For DE 15)  McKee/Saulsbury Road Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=16357)  (I really wish there was more notice on this one.)

Apparently so did DelDOT, the announcement got taken down. I don't even see a project on their Projects Portal for this yet.

That is weird.  I did attend this last night so it did happen.

Oh wow that WAS short notice. Was this for the whole of the corridor up to Scarborough Road? The only project in the area I see is slated for the intersection at SR 8, and that's so close to construction I'd think it'd be beyond the point of holding another workshop.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 13, 2022, 12:01:53 PM
(For DE 15)  McKee/Saulsbury Road Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=16357)  (I really wish there was more notice on this one.)

Apparently so did DelDOT, the announcement got taken down. I don't even see a project on their Projects Portal for this yet.

That is weird.  I did attend this last night so it did happen.

Oh wow that WAS short notice. Was this for the whole of the corridor up to Scarborough Road? The only project in the area I see is slated for the intersection at SR 8, and that's so close to construction I'd think it'd be beyond the point of holding another workshop.

Yes, it was for the entire POW-MIA Pkwy/DE 15/Scarborough Rd corridor between the US 13 junctions.  The DE 8/DE 15 intersection project was mentioned as an existing project along the corridor, but this study is for improvements needed due to more future planned development along the corridor.  I did ask if there were any plans to change the routing of DE 15, and there are none at this time.

(For DE 24)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Nighttime Road Closure of Rt. 24 between Hollymount Road and Robinsonville Road (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9233&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on October 13, 2022, 04:10:23 PM
Specifically, what is proposed to be done with the 8 & 15 intersection?  A mega enlargment?

As for the POW/MIA Pkwy., looking at the median on Google Sat, it looks expandable to 4 lanes, at least as far down as Charles Polk Road.  Beyond there to US 13, might some ROW acquisition be necessary for expansion?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 13, 2022, 05:58:44 PM
Specifically, what is proposed to be done with the 8 & 15 intersection?  A mega enlargment?

See here:  https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201500201
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 14, 2022, 02:25:46 PM
(For DE 279)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - New Traffic Pattern on Elkton Road (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9234)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on October 14, 2022, 08:07:47 PM
ROW acquisition continues for the Millsboro bypass.

https://www.coastalpoint.com/news/work-continues-on-millsboro-bypass-project/article_e8508302-4b0c-11ed-bfec-a7cb2a30625e.html

The article contains a link at the end to the DelDOT projects portal.  The link is s  l  o  w in downloading, at least for me.  I'd like to see if this bypass will be expandable to 4 lanes like the POW/MIA Parkway (which I forgot to mention I've driven four or five times).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 14, 2022, 08:13:12 PM
^This link works fine:  https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201912701
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 14, 2022, 10:56:25 PM
(For DE 279)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - New Traffic Pattern on Elkton Road (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9234)

Hopefully this heralds the reopening of all lanes through here, this project has looked mostly finished for about a month or two now.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on October 16, 2022, 05:12:20 PM
^This link works fine:  https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201912701

That seems to answer my question about expandability (or in this case, lack of such barring adding ROW and overcoming regulatory hurdles [look at Millsboro Pond]).  But it couldn't come too soon for Mountaire commuters and Long Neck/Pot-Nets vacationers.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 17, 2022, 09:05:29 AM
(For DE 36)  Replacement of BR 3-164 on Cedar Beach Road Public Meeting (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202007301)

Virtual Public Meeting on Delaware's Electric Vehicle Infrastructure Plan Public Meeting (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=16378)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 19, 2022, 11:49:42 AM
(For DE 5 and DE 24)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Turn Lane Closure off Westbound SR24 onto Mount Joy Road (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9235&type=Traffic)

(For I-95 and DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Paving Northbound and Southbound I-95 and Route 896 (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9236&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 20, 2022, 11:17:28 AM
(For I-95)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Overnight Lane Closures on Northbound I-95 into Wilmington (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9237)

(For DE 299)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Traffic Light Activation and Mast Arm Installation on Route 299 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9239)

(For DE 273)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Lane Restrictions on Route 273 and Brown's Lane (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9240)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 23, 2022, 06:52:21 PM
(For DE 72)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Utility Relocation on Rt 72 under I-95 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9242)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on October 24, 2022, 07:22:36 AM
Good lord the DEMB has a lot of construction, when will it ever end or is it like painting the Golden Gate Bridge(GGB); forever?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 24, 2022, 02:44:00 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95 Northbound Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9245)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 24, 2022, 04:22:04 PM
Good lord the DEMB has a lot of construction, when will it ever end or is it like painting the Golden Gate Bridge(GGB); forever?

Yeah, they do.  Frequently there's a lane closed in each direction.  The bridges are 60+ or 70+ years old so increased maintenance is expected, but for those driving the bridges every day (or at least every week), it's rare to drive over the bridge without something going on.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 25, 2022, 03:00:18 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - SB I-95 will Close for One Night this Saturday Night (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9248&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 26, 2022, 04:30:49 PM
(For DE 4)  Newport Pike, Limestone Road (SR 7) to Augustine Street Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=16438)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 28, 2022, 10:24:32 AM
(For DE 279)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - New Traffic Pattern on Elkton Road (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9251)

(For DE 7)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Lane Restrictions and Weekend Closures of SB Route 7 Under I-95 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9254)

(For DE 72)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Utility Relocation on Rt 72 under I-95 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9242)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - 3rd Update--Utility Relocation on Rt 72 Under I-95 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9255)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Paving I-95 at the Route 896 Interchange and Through the Toll Plaza at the State Line (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9256)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 31, 2022, 12:14:32 PM
(For DE 48)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Lancaster Pike to Close for Tree Removal (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9258)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 01, 2022, 03:19:08 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - James Street Bridge to Close for a Day (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9262)

(For DE 72 and DE 896)TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATE--Utility Relocation on Route 72 Under I-95 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9263)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on November 01, 2022, 03:57:41 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - James Street Bridge to Close for a Day (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9262)

It says detours will be posted.  I guess they'll have to be creative, since the only other way on or off Old Airport Road (the name of the road south of the bridge) is the RIRO with DE 141 southbound.  I know why they're doing it on a Saturday, though: Friday is a holiday, and there's a school district bus lot on that road.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 02, 2022, 02:15:37 PM
(For DE 1) Corridor Capacity Preservation Program (CCPP) Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=16439)

(For DE 279)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATE--New Traffic Pattern on Elkton Road (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9264)

(For DE 1)  SR 1 Low-Stress Bikeways Study Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=16297)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 04, 2022, 12:42:09 PM
(For DE 24)  SR 24, LOVE CREEK TO MULBERRY KNOLL has been awarded (http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicFinalBidtabDisplay&id=T201212201)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Paving I-95 at the Route 896 Interchange and Through the Toll Plaza at the State Line (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9267)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 07, 2022, 02:34:54 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Overnight Ramp Closure, NB I-95 Exit 6 for Maryland Avenue/MLK Boulevard (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9270)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 09, 2022, 10:40:37 AM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Overnight Ramp Closure, SB I-95 Exit 6 For MLK Boulevard (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9273)

(For DE 279)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - New Traffic Pattern on Elkton Road (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9274)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 10, 2022, 09:39:43 AM
(For DE 273)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Overnight Lane Closures on Route 273 at I-95 (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9275&type=Traffic)

(For DE 92 and DE 100)  Replacement of Bridges 1-070, 1-071, and 1-072 In Montchanin Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=16498)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 11, 2022, 01:51:10 PM
(For DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Paving I-95 at the Route 896 Interchange and Through the Toll Plaza at the State Line (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9280)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 16, 2022, 03:25:25 PM
(For DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Paving I-95 at the Route 896 Interchange and Through the Toll Plaza at the State Line (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9280)

(For DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATE--Paving I-95 at the Route 896 Interchange and Through the Toll Plaza (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9284)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Otts Chapel Road Bridge Over I-95 to Close for 6-8 Weeks (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9285)

(For DE 273)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATE--Overnight Lane Closures on Route 273 at I-95 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9287)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - James Street Bridge to Close for a Day (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9262)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - James Street Bridge in Newport will be CLOSED this Saturday, November 19th (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9290)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 17, 2022, 11:12:56 AM
I just opened the DE 30 Declassification site and the PDFs on the page are now 404s... (https://deldot.gov/projects/archived/proposed-SR30-declassification-west-of-Millsboro/)

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TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - James Street Bridge to Close for a Day (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9262)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - James Street Bridge in Newport will be CLOSED this Saturday, November 19th (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9290)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATE--The James Street Bridge in Newport will NOT be closed on Saturday (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9291&type=Traffic)

(For DE 299)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Two Lane Shifts Coming to Route 299 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9292)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on November 17, 2022, 11:04:03 PM
I just opened the DE 30 Declassification site and the PDFs on the page are now 404s... (https://deldot.gov/projects/archived/proposed-SR30-declassification-west-of-Millsboro/)

They were still up as recently as two weeks ago as I went there when updating the Delaware Route 30 page on the site.

If anyone had not seen them, they were just simple maps showing the truncation.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 18, 2022, 08:39:07 AM
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TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - James Street Bridge to Close for a Day (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9262)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - James Street Bridge in Newport will be CLOSED this Saturday, November 19th (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9290)

Will it be closed?  I have no idea.

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - James Street Bridge Closed Tomorrow (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9294)

Anyway, in bikey-wikey news:

(For DE 273 EB)  New Castle County - Newark Bike Lane Ribbon Cutting Event (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9293)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 22, 2022, 04:10:24 PM
(For DE 9) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Washington Street in New Castle to Close for Railroad Crossing Improvements (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9304)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 23, 2022, 12:05:24 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Overnight Closures of SB I-95 in Wilmington (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9305)

(For DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATE--Paving I-95 at the Route 896 Interchange and Through the Toll Plaza (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9307)

(For DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Correction--Paving I-95 at the Route 896 Interchange and Through the Toll Plaza (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9314)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 28, 2022, 11:48:25 AM
(For DE 24)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Nighttime Road Closure of SR 24 between Robinsonville Road and Hollymount Road (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9317)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATE--Overnight Closures of SB I-95 in Wilmington (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9320)

(For DE 1/DE 16)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Lane Closures of Route 16 between Zion Church Road and Crape Myrtle Road (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9323)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on November 28, 2022, 07:41:48 PM
(For DE 24)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Nighttime Road Closure of SR 24 between Robinsonville Road and Hollymount Road (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9317)

That's in Angola, south of DE 1's golden mile at Midway, per
https://www.wrde.com/news/state-road-24-closure-starts-monday-night/article_63d62056-6f46-11ed-955a-8bbe57c1e309.html ,
but before the just-as-booming Long Neck community around DE 5, 23, and 24.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 01, 2022, 12:09:00 AM
DelDOT finally posted the workshop materials (https://deldot.gov/projects/vw/corridor-capacity/) from the SR 1 - Corridor Capacity Preservation Program meetings from early this month, detailing plans to convert SR 1 between Dover and Five Points into an expressway (sort of... every link is broken except for the GIS page with the full plans (https://kleinfelder.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=25615b55fe1d4b6db101a4a348e137c4)).

Highlights include preliminary plans for a number of new grade separations, new frontage roads, intersection and driveway removals, master plans for Little Heaven and Frederica, and the addition of a third lane between Dover and the US 113 split in Milford. Curiously the new third lane isn't depicted as extending through Dover using the existing roadbed that's striped as a wide left shoulder, though I imagine that's due to anything north of Dover being out of the project's scope.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 01, 2022, 02:40:46 AM
This link braking must be a full-on issue then not directly related to the DE 30 page...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on December 01, 2022, 11:37:24 PM
DelDOT finally posted the workshop materials (https://deldot.gov/projects/vw/corridor-capacity/) from the SR 1 - Corridor Capacity Preservation Program meetings from early this month, detailing plans to convert SR 1 between Dover and Five Points into an expressway (sort of... every link is broken except for the GIS page with the full plans (https://kleinfelder.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=25615b55fe1d4b6db101a4a348e137c4)).

Highlights include preliminary plans for a number of new grade separations, new frontage roads, intersection and driveway removals, master plans for Little Heaven and Frederica, and the addition of a third lane between Dover and the US 113 split in Milford. Curiously the new third lane isn't depicted as extending through Dover using the existing roadbed that's striped as a wide left shoulder, though I imagine that's due to anything north of Dover being out of the project's scope.
So looking at the plans... does this mean that the portion of DE-1 between Dover and Milford would become a fully controlled access six-lane freeway? It would be certainly nice to have six lanes and controlled access on that portion, along with possibly a 65 mph speed limit... I recall driving it a couple years ago during the summer and it was quite full and fast moving (70+ mph) for being non-limited-access design.

The plans show limited access controls all the way to Five Points, though a few at-grade turnarounds and what appears to be a few driveways remain south of Milford.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on December 02, 2022, 07:14:29 AM
^ Some of those look more like RIRO than actual interchange ramps.  Or are ramps with VERY TIGHT turning radii.  Wouldn't quite call that a freeway.  Nor do I expect them to actually build 6 lanes.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 02, 2022, 09:17:30 AM
TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - New Woodland Ferry Operating Hours (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9327)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on December 02, 2022, 09:56:45 AM
I-95 is blocked near Newark due to a police-involved shooting.  Looks like a nightmare to travel on any of the alternate routes.

https://www.wdel.com/news/shooting-closes-i-95/article_c295d8f0-724a-11ed-bfb5-9b118e7948f3.html
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 02, 2022, 02:04:34 PM
I-95 is blocked near Newark due to a police-involved shooting.  Looks like a nightmare to travel on any of the alternate routes.

https://www.wdel.com/news/shooting-closes-i-95/article_c295d8f0-724a-11ed-bfb5-9b118e7948f3.html

The guy involved carjacked multiple people, including a friend of mine's mother, starting in Newport before working his way onto 95, reportedly going the wrong direction on the interstate at some point. Apparently the police had were firing on the suspect from a helicopter once they had him pinned down. Wild day, luckily it seems like no one else was seriously hurt.

Downtown Newark has been a nightmare all day with all the trucks from Maryland trying to squeeze down Delaware Avenue.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on December 02, 2022, 02:16:06 PM
I-95 is blocked near Newark due to a police-involved shooting.  Looks like a nightmare to travel on any of the alternate routes.

https://www.wdel.com/news/shooting-closes-i-95/article_c295d8f0-724a-11ed-bfb5-9b118e7948f3.html

The guy involved carjacked multiple people, including a friend of mine's mother, starting in Newport before working his way onto 95, reportedly going the wrong direction on the interstate at some point. Apparently the police had were firing on the suspect from a helicopter once they had him pinned down. Wild day, luckily it seems like no one else was seriously hurt.

Downtown Newark has been a nightmare all day with all the trucks from Maryland trying to squeeze down Delaware Avenue.

Knowing that the police have an investigation on their hands, it's amazing other troops or agencies aren't handling traffic.  I witnessed traffic on cameras trying to make left turns around vehicles stopped in the intersection (and cross traffic trying to do the same at the same time).  At least it appears the truck restriction on 4/896 is being waived.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jmacswimmer on December 02, 2022, 02:26:40 PM
I-95 VMS's on the Maryland side are warning about it as far back as the Maryland House and are encouraging traffic to divert over to US 40 early. Which seems to be working, because there appears to be barely any backup on northbound approaching exit 109. MD 279 on either side of I-95, on the other hand...

Another random thought: In addition to the horrendous traffic on all side roads, this also craters DelDOT's toll revenue for the day with the Newark toll plaza falling within the closed area.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 02, 2022, 02:30:03 PM
I-95 is blocked near Newark due to a police-involved shooting.  Looks like a nightmare to travel on any of the alternate routes.

https://www.wdel.com/news/shooting-closes-i-95/article_c295d8f0-724a-11ed-bfb5-9b118e7948f3.html

The guy involved carjacked multiple people, including a friend of mine's mother, starting in Newport before working his way onto 95, reportedly going the wrong direction on the interstate at some point. Apparently the police had were firing on the suspect from a helicopter once they had him pinned down. Wild day, luckily it seems like no one else was seriously hurt.

Downtown Newark has been a nightmare all day with all the trucks from Maryland trying to squeeze down Delaware Avenue.

Knowing that the police have an investigation on their hands, it's amazing other troops or agencies aren't handling traffic.  I witnessed traffic on cameras trying to make left turns around vehicles stopped in the intersection (and cross traffic trying to do the same at the same time).  At least it appears the truck restriction on 4/896 is being waived.

Someone from DelDOT showed up to manually control the light at SR 896 / Amstel Avenue around 1pm, though that light wasn't nearly as much of a problem for traffic as all the lights on Delaware Avenue are. I didn't walk down Delaware Avenue though so I'm not sure if anyone's controlling the lights to free up the bottleneck through town there.

EDIT

As the afternoon / evening rush starts to pick up with the interstate still closed, it looks like most of the traffic is being shunted away from Newark and forced onto SR 4, which isn't making for a good time. Backups are approaching 50 minutes long from 273 to 896.

(https://i.imgur.com/JtsngDt.png)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 02, 2022, 03:19:37 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Overnight Closure of SB I-95 in Wilmington (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9330)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Overnight Closure of NB I-95 Exit 6 for MLK Boulevard (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9331)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on December 02, 2022, 11:13:30 PM
^ Some of those look more like RIRO than actual interchange ramps.  Or are ramps with VERY TIGHT turning radii.  Wouldn't quite call that a freeway.  Nor do I expect them to actually build 6 lanes.
It’s still a freeway… no different than US-50 / US-301 in Maryland.

4 or 6 through lanes, controlled access (no private driveways), all roadways cross either over or under the facility with connections via ramps only.

The ramps might have tight radii but they’re still ramps and have long acceleration lanes.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on December 03, 2022, 06:32:25 AM
They're not all ramps.  The RIROs would disqualify it from being freeway.  And if you zoom in closely, some of those on-ramps will also have stop signs.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 03, 2022, 11:18:41 AM
I-95 is blocked near Newark due to a police-involved shooting.  Looks like a nightmare to travel on any of the alternate routes.

https://www.wdel.com/news/shooting-closes-i-95/article_c295d8f0-724a-11ed-bfb5-9b118e7948f3.html

The guy involved carjacked multiple people, including a friend of mine's mother, starting in Newport before working his way onto 95, reportedly going the wrong direction on the interstate at some point. Apparently the police had were firing on the suspect from a helicopter once they had him pinned down. Wild day, luckily it seems like no one else was seriously hurt.

Downtown Newark has been a nightmare all day with all the trucks from Maryland trying to squeeze down Delaware Avenue.

Knowing that the police have an investigation on their hands, it's amazing other troops or agencies aren't handling traffic.  I witnessed traffic on cameras trying to make left turns around vehicles stopped in the intersection (and cross traffic trying to do the same at the same time).  At least it appears the truck restriction on 4/896 is being waived.

Someone from DelDOT showed up to manually control the light at SR 896 / Amstel Avenue around 1pm, though that light wasn't nearly as much of a problem for traffic as all the lights on Delaware Avenue are. I didn't walk down Delaware Avenue though so I'm not sure if anyone's controlling the lights to free up the bottleneck through town there.

EDIT

As the afternoon / evening rush starts to pick up with the interstate still closed, it looks like most of the traffic is being shunted away from Newark and forced onto SR 4, which isn't making for a good time. Backups are approaching 50 minutes long from 273 to 896.

This story has been updated to seemingly reveal very little of the chase actually occurred on 95.  Old Cooch's Road sits just off of the 95/896 interchange ( https://goo.gl/maps/46C1ifVYtyGkTYY28 ), and the woods are only about 75 feet between there and 95.  The suspect appears to have managed to carjack a vehicle on 95, but the pursuit only lasted less than a mile on 95 itself.

As far as police controlling intersections:  That's basically a relic from a bygone era when roads were smaller and intersections were easier to control.  Today, and especially in Delaware, they have wide roads with traffic lights that can adjust to traffic conditions, and overridden by controllers in HQ.  The intersection where someone may have been manually controlling traffic may not have had this capability or the link was down.  With these wide intersections, you need two officers, and they're not really going to be able to do much that the light can't do.  Maybe a few key intersections can benefit, especially the downstream lights that may be holding up much of the traffic, but otherwise the police still have their day-to-day stuff they have to handle and respond to, and trying to deal with numerous intersection control takes away from those duties.

The biggest benefit would be to reduce/prevent traffic from gridlocking an intersection as you mentioned, but traffic tends to weave their way around cars.  In law enforcement's view, drivers figure out their own way to make it work.

Don't forget, Delaware also road dieted Main St (which becomes Elkton Road and DE/MD 279) over the years.  Great for pedestrian safety.  Not great when you have to close a major interstate.  Even if the intersections are controlled, traffic is still limited by the short distance of a single lane on this road.

Most often, you'll see officers controlling traffic at stadium events.  Most of the time, they are on overtime shifts paid by the team or entity, not regular duty, so they're not taken away from the normal demands of the local police departments. There tends to be two factors that go into putting officers at intersections:  Pedestrians and traffic restrictions.  When there's areas near arenas that see a large number of pedestrians (ie: crossing the street from parking lots), the officers are there mostly to assist with them.  Also, if there's a road or parking lot where traffic is restricted, you tend to see officers at those intersections as well. 

As far as the trucks on Route 4:  It would look really bad for the police to not control intersections, but then pull trucks over on Route 4 for an issue well beyond their control.  And even then, if there's a hundred trucks ignore the restriction per hour, putting 2 cops out there only means you're going to pull over 4 or so of these trucks an hour.  The route is safe for trucks; there's no weight or size limitations.  It's just to prevent trucks from going around the tolls en masse.  Forcing trucks off Route 4 mainly will entail pushing them into the University of Delaware area, making matters much worse for traffic there.  Overall, just let the trucks be.  Worry about enforcement another day.

And frankly, you also tend to see the difference here between a major city that deals with shootings on a regular basis, and a police department that doesn't.  City police departments don't generally keep a major interstate closed for 9+ hours with an investigation. In fact, you gotta kinda wonder what the DSP was still investigating at that point. 

The loss of toll revenue is a great point; that's not something they can recoup.  When the Delaware Memorial Bridge was closed a number of years ago due to an issue with a nearby chemical plant, that plant ultimately did reimburse the DRBA for the estimated loss of tolls.  Not gonna happen with this incident.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on December 03, 2022, 01:12:33 PM
Don't forget, Delaware also road dieted Main St (which becomes Elkton Road and DE/MD 279) over the years.  Great for pedestrian safety.  Not great when you have to close a major interstate.  Even if the intersections are controlled, traffic is still limited by the short distance of a single lane on this road.

AFAIK, S Main St had one lane bottlenecks entering Delaware Ave and leaving Main St even before the road diet that saw the 4 lane section end between Apple and Beverly. Northbound the right lane threw you onto Amstel, and southbound you were still limited by that one lane left turn from Main Street onto South Main St. Even then, the traffic lights in downtown were backing traffic up so much yesterday that the lane drops didn't even matter.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 03, 2022, 05:53:55 PM
Don't forget, Delaware also road dieted Main St (which becomes Elkton Road and DE/MD 279) over the years.  Great for pedestrian safety.  Not great when you have to close a major interstate.  Even if the intersections are controlled, traffic is still limited by the short distance of a single lane on this road.

AFAIK, S Main St had one lane bottlenecks entering Delaware Ave and leaving Main St even before the road diet that saw the 4 lane section end between Apple and Beverly. Northbound the right lane threw you onto Amstel, and southbound you were still limited by that one lane left turn from Main Street onto South Main St. Even then, the traffic lights in downtown were backing traffic up so much yesterday that the lane drops didn't even matter.

Yeah, I looked back to what I could (barely) see on Historic Aerials in the mid-1990's when I was in college, and I think the turns were 1 lane back then too.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 05, 2022, 11:46:40 AM
(For DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Overnight Paving on SB I-95 through Rt 896 to the Toll Plaza (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9333)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on December 08, 2022, 10:47:56 AM
Looking at DelDOT's webcam at DE 1 and 16, it appears the temporary roadway for DE 1 to be used during the actual construction of the overpass is pretty well along.

And further down DE 1 at the Cave Neck Road intersection that itself is due to become split grade in a few years, looking at https://kleinfelder.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=25615b55fe1d4b6db101a4a348e137c4 , it looks like Heritage Antiques and the Red Mill Inn (a motel) will survive *that* improvement.

And unless I missed it, what's with the Marsh Road (DE 3) closure at Hillcrest Ave. in the Bellefonte/Mount Pleasant HS area (thru 12/16)?  Cross pipe construction?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 13, 2022, 10:05:12 AM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - James Street Bridge to Close for One Day (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9346&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 15, 2022, 10:34:45 AM
(For DE 1D)  PLANTATION ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, ROBINSONVILLE ROAD TO US 9 has been awarded (http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicFinalBidtabDisplay&id=T202011201)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 28, 2022, 02:44:44 PM
(For DE 9)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Route 9 and the Reedy Point Bridge to Close for Three Months (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9371)

Though there is no indication of actual work on the Reedy Point Bridge...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 30, 2022, 01:06:03 PM
(For DE 16)  Corridors Committee Meeting #2 Public Meeting (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=16619)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 03, 2023, 12:18:58 PM
(For DE 1 at DE 16) TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Deep Branch Road Closure at Southern Intersection with SR 1, East Side of SR 1 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9373&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 06, 2023, 01:00:17 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Closures of I-95 for Overhead Sign Work (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9379)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 09, 2023, 09:32:40 AM
(For DE 24)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Nighttime Road Closure of Rt. 24 between Hollymount Road and Robinsonville Road (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9380)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 10, 2023, 09:35:46 AM
(For DE 299)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Work on Route 299 in Middletown (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9381&type=Traffic)

(For US 113 and DE 14)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Construction Begins at the Intersection of US 113 & SR 14 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9382&type=Traffic)

(For I-95)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Closures of I-95 for Overhead Sign Work (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9383&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 12, 2023, 11:58:00 AM
(For DE 54) Bridge 3-437 on Lighthouse Rd over Assawoman Bay (https://www.deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=16660)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 13, 2023, 04:00:26 PM
(For DE 299)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Lane Restrictions on Route 299 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9387)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on January 13, 2023, 09:17:01 PM
(For DE 54) Bridge 3-437 on Lighthouse Rd over Assawoman Bay (https://www.deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=16660)

If DelDOT is talking about the bridge(s) by Harpoon Hanna's. per Bridge Reports those bridges replaced a rickety causeway 20 years ago.  I've driven over the newer bridges several times (and the old ones a couple of times in the '90s).  Has that bridge deteriorated that much already?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 17, 2023, 04:00:33 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Temporary Ramp Closures on I-95 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9388)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on January 17, 2023, 08:18:48 PM
https://www.capegazette.com/article/new-year-brings-roadwork-malfunction-junction/252592?source=mp

And in a related matter...

https://www.capegazette.com/article/former-bests%E2%80%99-ace-building-demo-begins/252821
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 18, 2023, 04:19:33 PM
(For DE 100)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Temporary Closure of Rt 100, Montchanin Road Due to Wall Collapse (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9389)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on January 19, 2023, 05:05:59 PM
Why is State Street in Dover closed between Cecil Street (next to Wesley College/DSU) and Pennsylvania Avenue through Feb. 27?  Is it a city street for maintenance purposes?  (US 113 Alt. follows Governors Ave.)

Edit:  I just went to the City of Dover question page and emailed inquiry about this closure.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 19, 2023, 06:08:21 PM
Why is State Street in Dover closed between Cecil Street (next to Wesley College/DSU) and Pennsylvania Avenue through Feb. 27?  Is it a city street for maintenance purposes?  (US 13 Alt. follows Governors Ave.)

Edit:  I just went to the City of Dover question page and emailed inquiry about this closure.

See here:  https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9353&type=Traffic  (and FTFY)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 20, 2023, 08:44:37 AM
FIVE POINTS TRANSPORTATION STUDY Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=16699)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on January 20, 2023, 04:57:06 PM
Why is State Street in Dover closed between Cecil Street (next to Wesley College/DSU) and Pennsylvania Avenue through Feb. 27?  Is it a city street for maintenance purposes?  (US 13 Alt. follows Governors Ave.)

Edit:  I just went to the City of Dover question page and emailed inquiry about this closure.

See here:  https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9353&type=Traffic  (and FTFY)

Undertaking the project: A-Del Construction, according to the attachment to the response email I received from the city.
?
Btw 74/141 how did you find DelDOT's announcement? Did you type state street dover water main in DelDOT's website's search engine
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 20, 2023, 05:09:00 PM
Why is State Street in Dover closed between Cecil Street (next to Wesley College/DSU) and Pennsylvania Avenue through Feb. 27?  Is it a city street for maintenance purposes?  (US 13 Alt. follows Governors Ave.)

Edit:  I just went to the City of Dover question page and emailed inquiry about this closure.

See here:  https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9353&type=Traffic  (and FTFY)

Undertaking the project: A-Del Construction, according to the attachment to the response email I received from the city.
?
Btw 74/141 how did you find DelDOT's announcement? Did you type state street dover water main in DelDOT's website's search engine

Just "State Street" I think.  I remembered seeing the news release about it, but did not consider it important enough to link here at first.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on January 20, 2023, 06:46:24 PM
Why is State Street in Dover closed between Cecil Street (next to Wesley College/DSU) and Pennsylvania Avenue through Feb. 27?  Is it a city street for maintenance purposes?  (US 13 Alt. follows Governors Ave.)

Edit:  I just went to the City of Dover question page and emailed inquiry about this closure.

See here:  https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9353&type=Traffic  (and FTFY)

Undertaking the project: A-Del Construction, according to the attachment to the response email I received from the city.
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Btw 74/141 how did you find DelDOT's announcement? Did you type state street dover water main in DelDOT's website's search engine

Just "State Street" I think.  I remembered seeing the news release about it, but did not consider it important enough to link here at first.

Yes, your technique worked for me just now.  BTW I was in Dover doing some shopping today, and driving west on Division St. (DE 8) at State I glanced up State St. and found the "Road Closed" barrier.  Google Maps traffic first alerted me to the closure.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 23, 2023, 04:36:46 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - S. James Street Bridge to Close for a Day (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9393)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 24, 2023, 05:44:34 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATE on Tonight's Closure of NB I-95 for Overhead Sign Work (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9394)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 25, 2023, 02:15:51 PM
(For DE 299)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Delays on Route 299 in Middletown (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9398)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on January 26, 2023, 10:27:10 AM
(For DE 299)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Delays on Route 299 in Middletown (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9398)

Any target date for the completion of the DE 299 widening?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 26, 2023, 10:35:01 AM
(For DE 299)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Delays on Route 299 in Middletown (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9398)

Any target date for the completion of the DE 299 widening?

The project website says Fall 2023.

(For US 13)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - St. Georges Bridge to Close for 18 Months for Repairs (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9399&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on January 26, 2023, 04:46:07 PM
(For US 13)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - St. Georges Bridge to Close for 18 Months for Repairs (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9399&type=Traffic)

Just in time for the Reedy Point Bridge reopening in March. The bridge deck is in horrendous shape so this'll be a welcome improvement.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 27, 2023, 01:13:17 PM
(For DE 1 BUS (Milford))  TRAFFIC ALERT - Kent and Sussex County - Closure of Rehoboth Boulevard between Cedar Beach Road and NE Front Street (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9402)

(For DE 100 and DE 52)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Traffic Signal Work at the Route 52/Route 100 Intersection (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9404)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on January 27, 2023, 05:10:39 PM
The history of the spanning of Indian River Inlet...

https://www.capegazette.com/article/inlet-bridge-history-dates-back-nearly-nine-decades/252471

And further up the Coastal Highway, looking at DelDOT's DE 1 & 16 webcam,, they've lined the temporary road *south* of Broadkill Road, but the tempo road north of that crossroad is still solid black tonight.  The lines look white, no yellow.  I guess that will be the northbound tempo roadway and that once that's done, they'll build the sb tempo roadway.  I'm trying to recall how traffic was diverted around the Little Heaven overpass project.

Traffic still has full use of both carriageways of the current DE 1 while the tempo road construction is going on.

Further northwest on the Sussex/Kent border, it looks like they're finally going to address the damage of the steel on the Mispillion River Drawbridge that Business DE 1 crosses...

https://www.wboc.com/news/rehoboth-boulevard-to-close-for-drawbridge-repairs/article_436f5274-9e76-11ed-8be7-b30a944e3c0e.html
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on January 27, 2023, 05:54:33 PM
The history of the spanning of Indian River Inlet...

https://www.capegazette.com/article/inlet-bridge-history-dates-back-nearly-nine-decades/252471

I went and read the Wikipedia article on the bridge after reading this, it turns out Figg Bridge Engineers (of Miami bridge collapse and Corpus Christi Harbor Bridge design debacle notoriety) was behind the botched first attempt at the recent bridge rebuild that resulted in lawsuits and approach ramps that had to be removed due to settling. :ded:
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 30, 2023, 08:10:16 AM
(For DE 6)  REHABILITATION OF BRIDGE 2-010A ON SR6 WOODLAND BEACH ROAD has been awarded (http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicFinalBidtabDisplay&id=T202007504)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Lane Restrictions on I-95 Between Rt.1 and Rt. 273 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9405)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 31, 2023, 01:23:15 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Temporary Ramp Closures on Northbound I-95 (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9406&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 01, 2023, 02:41:46 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Lane Restrictions and a Closure on I-95 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9409)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 03, 2023, 12:33:29 PM
(For DE 16)  SR 16 Main Street, Ellendale Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=16759)

Quote
The Delmarva Central Railroad Company, with support from DelDOT's Railroad Section, will perform railroad crossing safety improvements at DOT Crossing No. 516122H in Ellendale. The Delmarva Central Railroad Company, and their Subcontractors, will replace the existing railroad crossing surface, install new railroad warning signals, perform sidewalk modifications in the area of the crossing, make improvements to existing drainage, and pave the approaches to the crossing.

The work will require a full closure of SR 16 Main Street at the Delmarva Central Railroad crossing with detours posted in the area. The local eastbound detour will direct traffic on SR 16 Main Street onto Washington Avenue to Willow Street to Prettyman Avenue back to SR 16 Main Street. The local westbound detour will direct traffic on SR 16 Main Street onto Prettyman Avenue to Willow Street to Washington Avenue back to SR 16 Main Street. Additional signs will be posted for a truck detour outside Town limits. The current schedule (weather dependent) will close SR 16 Main Street beginning Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 5:00 am.  The road will be open by Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 10:00 pm.  Some intermittent lane closures may occur before March 9, 2023 to prepare for the work and after March 23, 2023 to perform the final work items.

A Public Information Session will be held on Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at the Ellendale Volunteer Fire Company. Project information and display boards will be set up from 5:00pm to 6:00pm, where questions will be answered in an open format. There will be no presentation.

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Closures on I-95 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9410)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on February 03, 2023, 07:15:08 PM
On DE 54, apparently there won't be any detours during replacement of the Assawoman bridge...

https://www.coastalpoint.com/closures-won-t-come-with-bridge-replacement/article_117f7074-a352-11ed-a83e-cf12ef744d4f.html
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 03, 2023, 09:54:17 PM
On DE 54, apparently there won't be any detours during replacement of the Assawoman bridge...

https://www.coastalpoint.com/closures-won-t-come-with-bridge-replacement/article_117f7074-a352-11ed-a83e-cf12ef744d4f.html

What's kinda amazing is that would actually be news in Delaware.  Most bridge replacements usually are done in this manner.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 07, 2023, 09:17:48 AM
(For DE 24)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Closure of Fairfield Road at SR 24 (John J. Williams Highway) (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9413&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 08, 2023, 12:38:59 PM
(For DE 299)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Lane Restriction on Route 299 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9415)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 10, 2023, 03:30:20 PM
(For DE 71)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Lane Shift Coming to Rt 71 between Rt 72 and Willow Oak Boulevard (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9423)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 12, 2023, 02:36:21 PM
(For DE 279)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - New Traffic Pattern on Elkton Road (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9274)

I drove through the project yesterday and got to see the third lane NB.  The most interesting thing with this project basically being done is that there is much more DE 279 signage than there had been previously.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: famartin on February 12, 2023, 04:10:32 PM
(For DE 279)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - New Traffic Pattern on Elkton Road (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9274)

I drove through the project yesterday and got to see the third lane NB.  The most interesting thing with this project basically being done is that there is much more DE 279 signage than there had been previously.
Yes they were very thorough. Though there is (or at least, was in July) an erroneous "Begin 896" sign at the end of 279.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on February 12, 2023, 11:50:39 PM
(For DE 279)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - New Traffic Pattern on Elkton Road (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9274)

I drove through the project yesterday and got to see the third lane NB.  The most interesting thing with this project basically being done is that there is much more DE 279 signage than there had been previously.
Yes they were very thorough. Though there is (or at least, was in July) an erroneous "Begin 896" sign at the end of 279.

Still there as of Christmas Eve:

(https://www.aaroads.com/de/896/de-896-n-at-de-004-3.jpg)

The begin shield assembly was part of the sign plans for the Elkton Road reconstruction, so it was legitimately installed unfortunately. I posted some of the plans in a previous post in this thread.

Prior to that work there was only one SR 279 shield remaining per direction. Nice improvement now.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: odditude on February 14, 2023, 01:20:53 AM
there's a few brand-new APLs on I-95 SB at DE 141 that suffer from both the 3/4 error and a wide-enough gap between the two component panels that it can be mistaken for a divider line if the sky is bright enough behind them.

glancing up while driving, it looked like all of the new signage just installed on DE 141 itself also suffers from the 3/4 error.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 14, 2023, 08:28:02 AM
there's a few brand-new APLs on I-95 SB at DE 141 that suffer from both the 3/4 error and a wide-enough gap between the two component panels that it can be mistaken for a divider line if the sky is bright enough behind them.

glancing up while driving, it looked like all of the new signage just installed on DE 141 itself also suffers from the 3/4 error.

The signage is almost unreadable in some cases. Delaware normally does a great job with the roads, but whoever supervises the signage aspects of projects doesn't give a shit about what's getting designed and/or placed out there.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on February 14, 2023, 10:33:38 AM
Yes they were very thorough. Though there is (or at least, was in July) an erroneous "Begin 896" sign at the end of 279.

Still there as of Christmas Eve:

(https://www.aaroads.com/de/896/de-896-n-at-de-004-3.jpg)

The begin shield assembly was part of the sign plans for the Elkton Road reconstruction, so it was legitimately installed unfortunately. I posted some of the plans in a previous post in this thread.

Prior to that work there was only one SR 279 shield remaining per direction. Nice improvement now.

Still there last night, too.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 15, 2023, 09:41:03 AM
(For I-95 and DE 141)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Ramp and Lane Closures at I-95 and Route 141 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9424)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on February 15, 2023, 07:22:45 PM
At the DE beaches' northern gateway...

https://www.capegazette.com/article/deldot-breaks-ground-malfunction-junction-project/254111
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on February 18, 2023, 08:20:15 AM
DelDOT posted on their Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/delawaredot/posts/pfbid0AXGbSKURLmSDqiNBgRFakVzhiU94KB6E3ESCf3TkeFEgY7Zh3QT6qNzyk2YPpNuEl) yesterday (02/17/23) that the project was awarded.

The project page indicates that it was awarded on November 3, 2022.

https://delawarebusinessnow.com/2020/06/143-million-i-95-896-interchange-project-gets-57-million-fed-grant-that-moves-up-construction-date-to-fall-2022/

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$143 million I-95-896 interchange project gets $57 million fed grant that moves up construction date to fall 2022

Delaware’s congressional delegation announced a nearly $57 million grant from the U.S. Department of Transportation to the Delaware Department of Transportation for the construction of a redesigned interchange at I-95 and State Route 896. The new interchange will improve safety and reduce congestion by adding two flyovers, realigning existing ramps, and addressing other deficiencies with the current roadway geometry.

At present, 60 percent of vehicles on I-95 traveling southbound exit at State Route 896, creating congestion and safety issues.

This project will create a dedicated exit ramp for southbound 896 for motorists off of I-95, as well as a dedicated on-ramp from 896 to northbound I-95. The total project cost is $143 million, and with this grant award, construction will now begin in the fall of 2022, two years earlier than expected.

The funding for this project comes from the U.S. DOT’s Nationally Significant Freight and Highway Projects Program, or INFRA Grants program.

“As the leading Democrat on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, one of my top priorities is to improve our nation’s transportation systems so that our drivers, bicyclists and pedestrians do not put their lives at risk simply by using our roadways. This major grant of federal funding will go a long way to improve safety and, ultimately, save lives along the I-95 corridor in Delaware. By reducing traffic and easing congestion, this project will greatly reduce fatalities and serious injuries while better facilitating commerce in our state. These safety improvements will spur economic growth and less congestion will enable greater access to the City of Newark, the University of Delaware and its blossoming STAR Campus,” Senator Tom Carper said.

“This funding and this project are really about the safety of Delaware commuters, including students who use this interchange almost every day. Any parent who uses this intersection or has kids who frequently drive toandfrom GlasgowHigh School, NewarkHigh School, or other schools farther down 896,knows that improving the safety and capacity of this interchange is long overdue,” said Sen. Chris Coons.“As a member of the Appropriations Committee, I fought hard to secure this funding, and I’m excited that these long-awaitedimprovementswill soon be underway to help ourgrowing Newark and Middletown communitiesstay safe on the road.”

“Improving the safety of the I-95 and 896 interchange has been a priority for our state for a long time now. This INFRA Grant from the Department of Transportation means that we can finally address the safety and capacity issues on 896,”  said Congresswoman Lisa Blunt Rochester. “I want to thank DelDOT for their work in securing the grant and spearheading the project, Senator Carper, who sits on the Environment and Public Works Committee, and Senator Coons, who sits on the Appropriations Committee, for their tireless efforts on behalf of all Delawareans, and the Federal Department of Transportation for recognizing the importance of this project for Delaware.”

Additional information can be found on the DelDOT project page (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201609002).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 21, 2023, 02:14:33 PM
(For US 13/DE 9) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Winchester Bridge on 4th Street to Close for Two Weeks (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9427&type=Traffic)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Lane Restrictions and a Closure on I-95 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9428&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: plain on February 21, 2023, 08:12:35 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Lane Restrictions and a Closure on I-95 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9428&type=Traffic)

Well at least it's just a couple of nights.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 22, 2023, 04:20:03 PM
(For DE 299) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Additional Lane Restrictions on Route 299 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9431)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 22, 2023, 04:40:46 PM
Quote
At present, 60 percent of vehicles on I-95 traveling southbound exit at State Route 896, creating congestion and safety issues.

That seems...high. Maybe during the weekday afternoon rush that is relatively close to being accurate, but certainly not all the time.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on February 23, 2023, 08:39:34 AM
Quote
At present, 60 percent of vehicles on I-95 traveling southbound exit at State Route 896, creating congestion and safety issues.

That seems...high. Maybe during the weekday afternoon rush that is relatively close to being accurate, but certainly not all the time.

Something about a tollbooth . . .
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jmacswimmer on February 23, 2023, 08:41:41 AM
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At present, 60 percent of vehicles on I-95 traveling southbound exit at State Route 896, creating congestion and safety issues.

That seems...high. Maybe during the weekday afternoon rush that is relatively close to being accurate, but certainly not all the time.

DelDOT's 2021 traffic count shows an AADT of 79,581 south of exit 1, and 117,657 north of exit 1. Which would be closer to 1/3 (which is still a not-insignificant exiting volume).

(https://i.imgur.com/TclaPu8.jpg)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 23, 2023, 07:23:06 PM
Quote
At present, 60 percent of vehicles on I-95 traveling southbound exit at State Route 896, creating congestion and safety issues.

That seems...high. Maybe during the weekday afternoon rush that is relatively close to being accurate, but certainly not all the time.

Something about a tollbooth . . .

But there's also something to be said for driving the area frequently enough to see that 60% of the traffic on a 4 lane highway isn't exiting onto 2, one lane ramps, onto roadways with frequent traffic lights that don't significantly congest.

Using the map above (which jmac jraciously provided), is 32% of the traffic departing the highway at Interchange 1?  Yeah, I can believe that, especially weekdays.  That's when there is significant congestion exiting at Interchange 1.  Many here will take Exit 1B to go up to DE 4 West to avoid the toll.  However the numbers show, and my observations hold this to be true, that most of the traffic is actually using 896 south of 95, exiting at 1A, and a significant number use Old Baltimore Pike to the west of 896. (I pulled up DelDOT's site to see the numbers cut off from the map).

Weekends, a significant number of travelers stay on 95, and of those, most get into the left 2 lanes to use the Express EZ Pass lanes.  This is an issue on its own, because traffic congests to the point approaching the split where on busier days it may be beneficial to stay to the right and go thru the traditional toll lanes.  To say that 10% of the traffic is exiting here may be closer to the truth Saturdays and Sundays (and that may even be overstating it).

Unfortunately, without ramp and turning volumes we don't get a complete picture of where people are actually going, but we can see that while it's a significant number departing 95, it's nowhere close to the 60% claimed in that news release.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 24, 2023, 12:29:45 PM
(For DE 24)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Road Closure of Mount Joy Road between Cordey Road and SR 24 Monday, March 6th through Wednesday, March 15th (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9432)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 27, 2023, 08:27:55 AM
(For US 9)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Work begins at Freeman Highway Intersection with Monroe Avenue (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9434)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on February 27, 2023, 09:06:06 PM
(For US 9)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Work begins at Freeman Highway Intersection with Monroe Avenue (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9434)

Besides the new development that's going in or already existing further east, the intersection is in the vicinity of

- the Lewes Public Library

- the Lewes History Museum (in the building that previously housed the Lewes library, and not to be confused with the Zwaanendael Museum downtown)

- the Lewes to Georgetown rail trail (which afaik currently reaches from the Lewes library to where the old ROW crosses US 9/DE 404 in Harbeson)

and, under development,

- a park celebrating Lewes's railroad history

https://www.facebook.com/ljrba/
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on February 28, 2023, 01:30:53 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/UcEa4iRX2P47SHc17
What’s up with this configuration along the Delaware Memorial Bridge?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: famartin on February 28, 2023, 02:25:56 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/UcEa4iRX2P47SHc17
What’s up with this configuration along the Delaware Memorial Bridge?
Re-decking project on the other span. Probably similar to how the Chesapeake Bay Bridge works in peak flow periods (except there, there's no barrier).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on February 28, 2023, 04:11:38 AM
Well it’s the first time in years that those crossovers are being used. It’s a shame the overhead at the NJ side crossover that once told I-295/ US 130 and Route 49 ( on two panels)to keep right is now gone as it would be of handy for that configuration.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 28, 2023, 07:11:41 AM
Well it’s the first time in years that those crossovers are being used. It’s a shame the overhead at the NJ side crossover that once told I-295/ US 130 and Route 49 ( on two panels)to keep right is now gone as it would be of handy for that configuration.

Not in this case. That lane is signed on the Delaware side for the NJ Turnpike only. On the NJ side, pylons keep that lane on the left directing that traffic for the Turnpike.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/G2v78PLsPEtdzQGN6
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on February 28, 2023, 08:37:42 AM
Well it’s the first time in years that those crossovers are being used. It’s a shame the overhead at the NJ side crossover that once told I-295/ US 130 and Route 49 ( on two panels)to keep right is now gone as it would be of handy for that configuration.

Not in this case. That lane is signed on the Delaware side for the NJ Turnpike only. On the NJ side, pylons keep that lane on the left directing that traffic for the Turnpike.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/G2v78PLsPEtdzQGN6

Times and traffic volumes change, as I can see why the pylons.  In 1972 weaving wouldn’t have been an issue then. Plus the use of a jersey barrier todayto separate traffic as the overhead signals would have sufficed decades ago.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 28, 2023, 12:27:10 PM
(For DE 16)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Road Closure of SR 16 at the Railroad Crossing between Washington Ave and Prettyman Ave (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9436&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on February 28, 2023, 07:10:20 PM
https://www.wrde.com/news/all-way-stop-goes-into-effect-in-downtown-milford/article_4f186970-b7ae-11ed-8c01-43b9dad668d7.html

Appears to affect this intersection...

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9126466,-75.4284791,3a,74.3y,193.63h,90.07t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQ84xVa9TrfVp771C7BDa5A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

... and this intersection...

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9121752,-75.4285708,3a,75y,174.96h,90.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqPF0pm4eQ9W6Z-UzUlzH5w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 01, 2023, 02:11:51 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95 to Close for Several More Nights (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9437)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: plain on March 02, 2023, 12:52:52 AM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95 to Close for Several More Nights (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9437)

More than a couple of nights lol
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 02, 2023, 10:51:08 AM
DelDOT and Newark are looking at removing the signal at W Park Place and Apple Road, and possibly even the signal a couple blocks down at Orchard Road as well.

https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/deldot-proposes-to-remove-traffic-light-on-west-park-place/article_9f06eee0-4e05-58f4-805c-e71e3da5f8f0.html (https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/deldot-proposes-to-remove-traffic-light-on-west-park-place/article_9f06eee0-4e05-58f4-805c-e71e3da5f8f0.html)

Quote
State officials are seeking to remove the traffic light at the intersection of West Park Place and Apple Road and convert the intersection to a four-way stop sign.

Peter Haag, chief of traffic engineering for the Delaware Department of Transportation, made the request to the Newark Traffic Committee last week.

DelDOT was doing inspections of traffic lights around the city and found structural issues with one of the poles at the intersection. The city's electric department made temporary repairs, but the incident sparked conversation over whether the light is needed.


Haag said that neither the traffic volume nor the number of crashes at the intersection justify having a traffic light there. In the last three years, there were four documented crashes at the intersection.

“We're not even near the threshold of justifying a traffic signal,”  he said.

Modeling shows that converting the intersection to a four-way stop sign would improve traffic flow, Haag added.

...

Filasky said the city has looked at removing the traffic light at West Park Place and Orchard Road too, but the angle of the roads could make it a more challenging four-way stop.

“Obviously, we'd prefer not to have any lights on that stretch,”  he said. “It's certainly something we're looking at. Let's see how successful this one is before we move down the road.”


If they get to the Orchard Road intersection, I might have to ask around and try snagging one for my collection :biggrin:

(https://img001.prntscr.com/file/img001/B8OzCEOPSmualg4Amcirhw.png)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 02, 2023, 10:26:20 PM
DelDOT and Newark are looking at removing the signal at W Park Place and Apple Road, and possibly even the signal a couple blocks down at Orchard Road as well.

https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/deldot-proposes-to-remove-traffic-light-on-west-park-place/article_9f06eee0-4e05-58f4-805c-e71e3da5f8f0.html (https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/deldot-proposes-to-remove-traffic-light-on-west-park-place/article_9f06eee0-4e05-58f4-805c-e71e3da5f8f0.html)

Quote
State officials are seeking to remove the traffic light at the intersection of West Park Place and Apple Road and convert the intersection to a four-way stop sign.

Peter Haag, chief of traffic engineering for the Delaware Department of Transportation, made the request to the Newark Traffic Committee last week.

DelDOT was doing inspections of traffic lights around the city and found structural issues with one of the poles at the intersection. The city's electric department made temporary repairs, but the incident sparked conversation over whether the light is needed.


Haag said that neither the traffic volume nor the number of crashes at the intersection justify having a traffic light there. In the last three years, there were four documented crashes at the intersection.

“We're not even near the threshold of justifying a traffic signal,”  he said.

Modeling shows that converting the intersection to a four-way stop sign would improve traffic flow, Haag added.

...

Filasky said the city has looked at removing the traffic light at West Park Place and Orchard Road too, but the angle of the roads could make it a more challenging four-way stop.

“Obviously, we'd prefer not to have any lights on that stretch,”  he said. “It's certainly something we're looking at. Let's see how successful this one is before we move down the road.”


If they get to the Orchard Road intersection, I might have to ask around and try snagging one for my collection :biggrin:

(https://img001.prntscr.com/file/img001/B8OzCEOPSmualg4Amcirhw.png)

It's two roads that don't even have a center line.  Kinda wonder what the justification was to put the light up in the first place.

But I'm also intrigued at what the 'structural issue' of the pole is.  They're just standard utility poles.  Put one in right next to the other.  Occurs all the time when there's a crash where a car hit a pole.  Why does DelDOT need multiple months to deal with something that Delmarva Power can do on an emergency call basis in a few hours?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 03, 2023, 12:41:06 AM
DelDOT and Newark are looking at removing the signal at W Park Place and Apple Road, and possibly even the signal a couple blocks down at Orchard Road as well.

https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/deldot-proposes-to-remove-traffic-light-on-west-park-place/article_9f06eee0-4e05-58f4-805c-e71e3da5f8f0.html (https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/deldot-proposes-to-remove-traffic-light-on-west-park-place/article_9f06eee0-4e05-58f4-805c-e71e3da5f8f0.html)

Quote
State officials are seeking to remove the traffic light at the intersection of West Park Place and Apple Road and convert the intersection to a four-way stop sign.

Peter Haag, chief of traffic engineering for the Delaware Department of Transportation, made the request to the Newark Traffic Committee last week.

DelDOT was doing inspections of traffic lights around the city and found structural issues with one of the poles at the intersection. The city's electric department made temporary repairs, but the incident sparked conversation over whether the light is needed.


Haag said that neither the traffic volume nor the number of crashes at the intersection justify having a traffic light there. In the last three years, there were four documented crashes at the intersection.

“We're not even near the threshold of justifying a traffic signal,”  he said.

Modeling shows that converting the intersection to a four-way stop sign would improve traffic flow, Haag added.

...

Filasky said the city has looked at removing the traffic light at West Park Place and Orchard Road too, but the angle of the roads could make it a more challenging four-way stop.

“Obviously, we'd prefer not to have any lights on that stretch,”  he said. “It's certainly something we're looking at. Let's see how successful this one is before we move down the road.”


If they get to the Orchard Road intersection, I might have to ask around and try snagging one for my collection :biggrin:

(https://img001.prntscr.com/file/img001/B8OzCEOPSmualg4Amcirhw.png)

It's two roads that don't even have a center line.  Kinda wonder what the justification was to put the light up in the first place.

But I'm also intrigued at what the 'structural issue' of the pole is.  They're just standard utility poles.  Put one in right next to the other.  Occurs all the time when there's a crash where a car hit a pole.  Why does DelDOT need multiple months to deal with something that Delmarva Power can do on an emergency call basis in a few hours?

I suspect the justification may just be "because the 50s / 60s." The Apple Road intersection went in sometime around the late 50s / early 60s going off old aerials and I imagine those lights are probably original. The Orchard Road intersection predates it by at least a few decades, but given the lights look like they're from similar manufacturers I'd have to guess they were all put up around the same time.

I don't think they're removing the lights over the 'structural issue,' it sounds more like enough people high up started wondering aloud why the light was even still there as it was being fixed.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on March 03, 2023, 08:24:45 AM
DelDOT and Newark are looking at removing the signal at W Park Place and Apple Road, and possibly even the signal a couple blocks down at Orchard Road as well.

https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/deldot-proposes-to-remove-traffic-light-on-west-park-place/article_9f06eee0-4e05-58f4-805c-e71e3da5f8f0.html (https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/deldot-proposes-to-remove-traffic-light-on-west-park-place/article_9f06eee0-4e05-58f4-805c-e71e3da5f8f0.html)

Those are the only two signal arrays in Newark remaining with any character, especially at W Park Place/Orchard Road.

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/w-park-pl-e-at-orchard-rd-1.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/w-park-pl-e-at-orchard-rd-1.jpg)

W Park Place at Orchard Road in 2017

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/park-pl-w-at-apple-rd-1.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/park-pl-w-at-apple-rd-1.jpg)

W Park Place at Apple Road in 2014

Further east at E Park Place and Chapel Street were these classic Eagle Flatback flashers, probably dating back from when Chapel Street continued south across the AMTRAK Northeast Corridor.

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/chapel-st-s-at-park-pl-2.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/chapel-st-s-at-park-pl-2.jpg)

I haven't taken that stretch in awhile and the pic is from 2014, but they were still there as of 2019 per GSV.

They should go back to stop signs at Apple Road/Barksdale Road, or change it to a roundabout. I waited at those several times over Christmas. Barksdale Road just east of there has a stop sign where a flasher once was:

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/hillside-rd-w-at-sypherd-dr-1.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/hillside-rd-w-at-sypherd-dr-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 03, 2023, 12:30:19 PM
(Cue Doug Kerr blog post update) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Ashland Covered Bridge to Close for Repairs (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9441)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 06, 2023, 06:12:43 PM
(For DE 7)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Southbound Route 7 to Close Under I-95 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9443)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 06, 2023, 11:34:51 PM
(For DE 7)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Southbound Route 7 to Close Under I-95 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9443)

It's about time the surface was replaced through there, people in the area thought it was supposed to get taken care of during the interchange rebuild project 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 15, 2023, 11:09:10 AM
Bridge 1-488 NandS on US 13 over Blackbird Creek Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=16885)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 21, 2023, 04:13:53 PM
(For DE 273)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95 Northbound Onramp to Close This Weekend (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9457)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 24, 2023, 12:34:25 PM
(For DE 273)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95 Northbound Onramp to Close This Weekend (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9457)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - POSTPONED--I-95 Northbound Onramp to Close This Weekend (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9460)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 27, 2023, 10:02:33 AM
TRAFFIC ALERT - Kent County - Road Closure of North State Street between West Division Street (Route 8) and Cecil Street (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9462&type=Traffic)

(For US 9 BUS (Lewes, DE))  Public Workshop-Savannah Road Master Plan (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=16919)

(For US 13/DE 9) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Winchester Bridge on 4th Street to Close for Two Weeks (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9427&type=Traffic)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Winchester Bridge on 4th Street to have Limited Openings this week. (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9463)

(For DE 273)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95 Northbound Onramp to Close This Weekend (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9457)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - POSTPONED--I-95 Northbound Onramp to Close This Weekend (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9460)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95 Northbound Onramp to Close This Weekend (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9464)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 31, 2023, 10:51:27 AM
(For US 13)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - St. Georges Bridge to Close for 18 Months for Repairs (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9399&type=Traffic)

Just in time for the Reedy Point Bridge reopening in March. The bridge deck is in horrendous shape so this'll be a welcome improvement.

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - St. Georges Bridge to Close for 18 Months for Repairs (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9468)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on March 31, 2023, 07:27:19 PM
(For US 13)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - St. Georges Bridge to Close for 18 Months for Repairs (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9399&type=Traffic)

Just in time for the Reedy Point Bridge reopening in March. The bridge deck is in horrendous shape so this'll be a welcome improvement.

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - St. Georges Bridge to Close for 18 Months for Repairs (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9468)

A quarter century after they *almost* closed the old StGB permanently IIRC (the now-Roth Bridge had been open a couple of years at the time).  Anyone know anything about that near closure?

Watch everything between Biddles Corner and Wrangle Hill (the US 13/DE 7/DE 72 junction) become a linear ghost town.

Meanwhile, outside of Millsboro...

https://www.wrde.com/news/north-millsboro-bypass-breaks-ground/article_dafc88c8-d003-11ed-becb-1bfcd5f594fe.html

https://www.coastalpoint.com/news/ground-to-be-broken-on-millsboro-bypass/article_d4ba94f8-cf29-11ed-bc3e-87101894b4c4.html
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 31, 2023, 08:28:45 PM
I wonder how likely it may be that DE 30 gets put on it now that it is truncated to DE 24.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on March 31, 2023, 10:07:15 PM
I wonder how likely it may be that DE 30 gets put on it now that it is truncated to DE 24.

Did they actually follow through with this in the field? When I passed through the area last fall it still looked to be signed.
Based on construction plans and DelDOT's previous willingness to let bits and pieces of longer corridors go without signed designations (old US 301 between DE 299 and DE 71, old DE 30 between DE 24 and 26, and to a lesser extent old US 113 into Dover) it looks like 30 is going to be left dangling partway into Millsboro ending at old DE 24.

You can find the construction plans here (https://mmp.delaware.gov/Contracts) if you search 'Millsboro'.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 31, 2023, 10:13:54 PM
I wonder how likely it may be that DE 30 gets put on it now that it is truncated to DE 24.

Did they actually follow through with this in the field? When I passed through the area last fall it still looked to be signed.
Based on construction plans and DelDOT's previous willingness to let bits and pieces of longer corridors go without signed designations (old US 301 between DE 299 and DE 71, old DE 30 between DE 24 and 26, and to a lesser extent old US 113 into Dover) it looks like 30 is going to be left dangling partway into Millsboro ending at old DE 24.

You can find the construction plans here (https://mmp.delaware.gov/Contracts) if you search 'Millsboro'.

Yes, I checked it out in mid-February.  Most of the signs have been removed.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on April 01, 2023, 12:19:19 AM
I wonder how likely it may be that DE 30 gets put on it now that it is truncated to DE 24.

Possible, but doubtful given that the bypass will extend on both sides of 30.  Would make more sense to give the bypass a single number instead of part of it being 30 and part of it being something else.  Also can't rule out that the bypass may become a rerouted DE 24.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on April 01, 2023, 12:57:55 PM
Also can't rule out that the bypass may become a rerouted DE 24.

It is per construction plans. I've not been able to find plans for the US 113 interchange as that's a separate contract, I can only assume DE 24 will run concurrently down to the light in Millsboro from there.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on April 01, 2023, 02:08:43 PM
If that's been finalized (24 moving to the bypass), I REALLY doubt 30 would be extended along the bypass.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on April 02, 2023, 10:10:11 PM
The POW/MIA Parkway on Dover's SW side appears to have room for an additional lane each way if DelDOT deems it necessary some day.  Is that true of the Millsboro bypass's design, as well?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on April 02, 2023, 11:06:46 PM
The Millsboro Bypass appears to be a two-lane road with no median, but hypothetically, if widening was ever necessary, a second carriageway could be constructed.

It is good to see this design retains free-flowing conditions for US-113 traffic.

https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201912701
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: seicer on April 03, 2023, 09:01:06 AM
Why are they keeping the stub of Sheep Pen Road accessible -only- from US 113 and not from Route 20? That defeats the purpose of having free-flowing traffic on US 113.

https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1264253&iProjectObjectID=49435
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: sprjus4 on April 03, 2023, 02:31:17 PM
Traffic will still be free-flow… the RIRO intersection will not affect that. US-113 will not be limited-access and all of those properties along the highway will retain access immediately south of the ramps too.

It seems typical for Delaware to not acquire the proper right of way for full control of access around interchanges, see DE-1 for a few examples as well.

The existing northbound lane should be converted into a frontage road that ties into the proposed cul-de-sac at Betts Pond Road. Shift the mainlines onto a new alignment briefly and they would maintain full control of access both north and south of the new interchange. The RIRO at Sheep Pen Road should be connected to the new bypass, while US-113 is treated as a full freeway.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 04, 2023, 02:15:10 PM
(For US 13/DE 9) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Winchester Bridge on 4th Street to Close for Two Weeks (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9427&type=Traffic)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Winchester Bridge on 4th Street in Wilmington is Open to Traffic (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9470)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 11, 2023, 08:28:13 AM
(For DE 1) COASTAL HIGHWAY INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS has been awarded (http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicFinalBidtabDisplay&id=T202204302)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on April 11, 2023, 06:57:43 PM
On the Kent/Sussex border...

https://www.wrde.com/news/mispillion-bridge-closure-delayed/article_fb002e10-d8a8-11ed-a237-27805bdd6051.html

The link and headline are somewhat misleading.  It should read "Mispillion Bridge Reopening Delayed".

Twice in the last year and a half or so trucks failed to clear the underside of the counterweight, denting the steel and rendering the draw span unopenable.

Anyway they're going to blow getting it done by Memorial Day weekend.  Cape region folks from points west on DE 14 will have to follow said route (or DE 36, accessed just south of the river downtown) out to the bypass.

And back at the beach...

https://www.capegazette.com/article/rehoboth-avenue-set-be-repaved-after-labor-day/256271
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 18, 2023, 12:24:18 PM
I was just looking at US 202 in Delaware, and I think there needs to be better signage of the transition to the overlap with I-95. Not just along DE 141, but from DE 202.

This sign needs a US 202 shield between the I-95 and I-495 shields, instead of a separate one along the railing which can get covered up by the brush in the summer;
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7009827,-75.6014934,3a,75y,338.84h,99.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXtfThltXh7WdgkukIg0xdw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

This one needs a US 202 shield next to the southbound I-95 sign;
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7737772,-75.5443748,3a,75y,151.57h,89.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHsTqFv5rCi8FBzUsvsBzYw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

The same with this one;
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7697995,-75.5436089,3a,75y,151.57h,89.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdqHrt3tHcc74Tnz1iaUt_w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en



Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: famartin on April 18, 2023, 02:53:57 PM
The reality is that functionally, motorists don’t consider 202 to go past its northern junction with 95. No one thinks of the section of 95 thru Wilmington as part of 202, and the 141 overlap is exclusively considered to be 141 to motorists. DelDOT should truncate 202 to 95.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on April 18, 2023, 10:01:29 PM
The reality is that functionally, motorists don’t consider 202 to go past its northern junction with 95. No one thinks of the section of 95 thru Wilmington as part of 202, and the 141 overlap is exclusively considered to be 141 to motorists. DelDOT should truncate 202 to 95.

And this is reinforced by DelDOT dropping US 202 references on I-95 south at SR 141. Also the sign plans for SR 141 north at the recently completed interchange construction project with I-95 only included ground level trailblazers for US 202.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on April 25, 2023, 10:53:45 AM
DelDOT and Newark are looking at removing the signal at W Park Place and Apple Road, and possibly even the signal a couple blocks down at Orchard Road as well.

https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/deldot-proposes-to-remove-traffic-light-on-west-park-place/article_9f06eee0-4e05-58f4-805c-e71e3da5f8f0.html (https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/deldot-proposes-to-remove-traffic-light-on-west-park-place/article_9f06eee0-4e05-58f4-805c-e71e3da5f8f0.html)

Those are the only two signal arrays in Newark remaining with any character, especially at W Park Place/Orchard Road.

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/w-park-pl-e-at-orchard-rd-1.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/w-park-pl-e-at-orchard-rd-1.jpg)

W Park Place at Orchard Road in 2017

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/park-pl-w-at-apple-rd-1.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/park-pl-w-at-apple-rd-1.jpg)

W Park Place at Apple Road in 2014

DelDOT's moving ahead with testing out the decommissioning of the light at Park Place and Apple Road.

https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/newark-oks-proposal-to-remove-traffic-light-on-west-park-place/article_28d0ea3a-e323-5fa9-98cf-84fa1228e106.html (https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/newark-oks-proposal-to-remove-traffic-light-on-west-park-place/article_28d0ea3a-e323-5fa9-98cf-84fa1228e106.html)

I might have to ask around and see if I can bum one of the signals off them before they get scrapped.  :-P
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on April 25, 2023, 04:36:45 PM
DelDOT and Newark are looking at removing the signal at W Park Place and Apple Road, and possibly even the signal a couple blocks down at Orchard Road as well.

https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/deldot-proposes-to-remove-traffic-light-on-west-park-place/article_9f06eee0-4e05-58f4-805c-e71e3da5f8f0.html (https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/deldot-proposes-to-remove-traffic-light-on-west-park-place/article_9f06eee0-4e05-58f4-805c-e71e3da5f8f0.html)

Those are the only two signal arrays in Newark remaining with any character, especially at W Park Place/Orchard Road.

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/w-park-pl-e-at-orchard-rd-1.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/w-park-pl-e-at-orchard-rd-1.jpg)

W Park Place at Orchard Road in 2017

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/park-pl-w-at-apple-rd-1.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/park-pl-w-at-apple-rd-1.jpg)

W Park Place at Apple Road in 2014

DelDOT's moving ahead with testing out the decommissioning of the light at Park Place and Apple Road.

https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/newark-oks-proposal-to-remove-traffic-light-on-west-park-place/article_28d0ea3a-e323-5fa9-98cf-84fa1228e106.html (https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/newark-oks-proposal-to-remove-traffic-light-on-west-park-place/article_28d0ea3a-e323-5fa9-98cf-84fa1228e106.html)

I might have to ask around and see if I can bum one of the signals off them before they get scrapped.  :-P
Get two and I'll meet ya. Actually get three for signalian.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 26, 2023, 10:55:08 AM
(For US 9 and US 9 TRUCK)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Intermittent Lane Closures of Route 9 and Park Avenue (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9499)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 28, 2023, 01:38:11 PM
(For I-95 and DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/896 Construction to Begin (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9502&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 02, 2023, 11:00:59 AM
(For DE 8)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Kent County - Traffic Signal Activation - Route 8 (Forrest Avenue) at Chestnut Grove Road/Nault Road (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9505)

(For I-95 and DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/896 Construction to Begin (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9502&type=Traffic)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATE--I-95/896 Construction to Begin (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9506)

(For I-95 and DE 273)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Lane Restrictions on I-95 at Rt 273 and A One Night Closure of Rt 273 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9507)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 05, 2023, 10:58:04 AM
(For I-95 and DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/896 Construction to Begin (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9502&type=Traffic)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATE--I-95/896 Construction to Begin (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9506)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATE--I-95/896 Construction to Begin (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9513)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 08, 2023, 07:44:23 PM
(For US 9/DE 404 and DE 16)  Coastal Corridors Study Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=17060)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 09, 2023, 06:28:03 PM
Public Open House
Five Points Transportation Study (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=17061)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 10, 2023, 04:58:12 PM
 TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/896 Interchange --Upcoming Lane and Ramp Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9519)

 TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - New Traffic Pattern on Southbound I-95 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9520&type=Traffic)

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 11, 2023, 04:37:13 PM
(For I-95 and DE 202)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Overnight Ramp Closure NB I-95 onto SB Route 202 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9521)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 12, 2023, 12:28:10 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/896 Interchange --Upcoming Lane and Ramp Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9519)

 TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - New Traffic Pattern on Southbound I-95 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9520&type=Traffic)


TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATE--New Traffic Pattern on Southbound I-95 (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9523&type=Traffic)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/896 Interchange--UPDATE: Upcoming Lane and Ramp Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9527)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on May 13, 2023, 12:29:20 PM
Construction does indeed look like it's in progress for the 95/896 Interchange, they have begun cutting down swaths of trees on that the tree mountain, it's amazing how different it looks.

I'll trey to grab pictures next time im over there.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 16, 2023, 09:32:15 AM
(For US 113)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - New Traffic Signal on Rt 113 at Avenue of Honor (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9529)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: The Ghostbuster on May 16, 2023, 01:17:16 PM
That would be here, right?: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6168731,-75.3320017,1507m/data=!3m1!1e3.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 16, 2023, 01:25:42 PM
That would be here, right?: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6168731,-75.3320017,1507m/data=!3m1!1e3.

Yes.

(For DE 404 BUS (Bridgeville))  BR 3-114 on Seashore Highway Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=17080)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on May 16, 2023, 08:45:53 PM
That would be here, right?: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6168731,-75.3320017,1507m/data=!3m1!1e3.

Yes.

I guess the couple of nearby state offices and Sussex Central HS generate too much traffic to not install a stoplight.

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(For DE 404 BUS (Bridgeville))  BR 3-114 on Seashore Highway Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=17080)

Per https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202107301 this bridge spans the Bridgeville Branch, west of town.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 17, 2023, 01:51:06 PM
(For I-95 and DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/Rt 896 Interchange--Upcoming Lane, EZPass Lanes and Ramp Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9533)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 18, 2023, 12:13:21 PM
(For DE 1)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Overhead Sign Work on Rt 1, Coastal Highway (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9536&type=Traffic)

It seems to be in relation to these signs. (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.7271948,-75.127884,3a,75y,303.86h,116.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scwLUmy9ePfHy84WGsQsfpA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 19, 2023, 01:31:15 PM
(For DE 1)  SR 1 Low-Stress Bikeway Study and Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=17083)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on May 19, 2023, 09:07:17 PM
Business DE 1 traffic in Milford will be detoured for a few more weeks...

https://www.wboc.com/news/troubled-bridge-over-water-mispillion-repair-timeline-extended/article_d68fba66-f688-11ed-bd81-0b4fad4edd6a.html
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 22, 2023, 03:51:20 PM
(For I-95 and DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATE--I-95 Interchange--Upcoming Lane, EZPass Lanes and Ramp Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9541)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 24, 2023, 09:46:41 AM
(For DE 1/DE 16)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - New Route 1 Northbound Travel Pattern at Route 16 Begins Next Week (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9545)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on May 24, 2023, 10:36:02 PM
(For DE 1/DE 16)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - New Route 1 Northbound Travel Pattern at Route 16 Begins Next Week (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9545)

The (beginning of the) end of an era.  Sorta.  :(   :biggrin:

That intersection was (for me) a landmark on trips to the DE beaches.  Unless I used DE 26 to Bethany or DE 54 to Fenwick/North OC.

At least the old NB roadway will have one last summer tourist season weekend before the relocation.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 25, 2023, 02:40:47 PM
Wilmington Transportation Projects Open House (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=17104)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 26, 2023, 09:28:34 AM
(For DE 72)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/Rt 896 Interchange Project--Upcoming Traffic Pattern Change on Rt 72 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9549)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Dough4872 on May 30, 2023, 05:06:35 PM
(For DE 1/DE 16)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - New Route 1 Northbound Travel Pattern at Route 16 Begins Next Week (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9545)

I wonder how work is progressing on constructing the southbound ramps so southbound DE 1 can be shifted. Looks like things haven’t progressed much in the past few months. I’ve been watching construction of this interchange progress through the DelDOT traffic cameras.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on June 01, 2023, 02:02:01 PM
Reconstruction of the intersection between SR 2 and Red Mill / Polly Drummond Hill Roads is about to start. (https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/as-one-capitol-trail-road-construction-project-wraps-up-another-is-about-to-begin/article_b7f0c767-e3b0-5eb6-9539-a18ef0519a1e.html)

The project is slated to add an extra NB thru lane on Red Mill Road through the intersection, add an extra EB left turn lane onto Polly Drummond Hill Road, and provide bike / pedestrian facilities. That death trap of a diagonal entrance to the BP on the SE corner is slated to be filled in as well IIRC.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 01, 2023, 04:02:49 PM
(For DE 273) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Ramp from EB Rt 273 onto NB I-95 to Close (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9563)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on June 02, 2023, 11:32:05 AM
DelDOT and Newark are looking at removing the signal at W Park Place and Apple Road, and possibly even the signal a couple blocks down at Orchard Road as well.

https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/deldot-proposes-to-remove-traffic-light-on-west-park-place/article_9f06eee0-4e05-58f4-805c-e71e3da5f8f0.html (https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/deldot-proposes-to-remove-traffic-light-on-west-park-place/article_9f06eee0-4e05-58f4-805c-e71e3da5f8f0.html)

Those are the only two signal arrays in Newark remaining with any character, especially at W Park Place/Orchard Road.

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/w-park-pl-e-at-orchard-rd-1.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/w-park-pl-e-at-orchard-rd-1.jpg)

W Park Place at Orchard Road in 2017

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/park-pl-w-at-apple-rd-1.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/albums/newark-de/park-pl-w-at-apple-rd-1.jpg)

W Park Place at Apple Road in 2014

DelDOT's moving ahead with testing out the decommissioning of the light at Park Place and Apple Road.

https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/newark-oks-proposal-to-remove-traffic-light-on-west-park-place/article_28d0ea3a-e323-5fa9-98cf-84fa1228e106.html (https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/newark-oks-proposal-to-remove-traffic-light-on-west-park-place/article_28d0ea3a-e323-5fa9-98cf-84fa1228e106.html)

I might have to ask around and see if I can bum one of the signals off them before they get scrapped.  :-P
Get two and I'll meet ya. Actually get three for signalian.

Never mind lol

Newark Post - Amid public outcry, Newark halts plan to remove traffic light (https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/amid-public-outcry-newark-halts-plan-to-remove-traffic-light/article_4eaacbe6-5c4c-56da-ae01-6f066daad04a.html)

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Facing blowback from the public, Newark officials are pumping the brakes on a plan to remove the traffic light at the corner of West Park Place and Apple Road.

Residents of the area packed into council chambers last week to ask council members to reconsider their earlier decision to approve the Delaware Department of Transportation’s request to convert the intersection to a four-way stop.

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DelDOT recommended removing the light because it said neither the traffic volume nor the number of crashes at the intersection justify having a light there. Officials cited studies showing that converting unnecessary traffic lights to four-way stops actually make intersections safer.

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Ultimately, council decided it will hold a public meeting so residents can hear from DelDOT on the issue, and vice versa. If public sentiment remains strongly opposed to removing the light, council will schedule a vote to reject the plan.

In the interim, the plan will remain on hold.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 02, 2023, 02:32:10 PM
(For DE 7)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Southbound Route 7 Under I-95 to Close Sunday Night (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9567)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 05, 2023, 04:10:14 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - SB I-495 to have Left Lane Closed for Two Days (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9570)

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The Delaware Department of Transportation (DelDOT) announces to motorists that the left lane will be closed on southbound I-495 from the Delaware/Pennsylvania state line to the Yale Avenue Emergency Access Point (a quarter mile south of the Philadelphia Pike interchange). The lane will be closed from 9:00 am to 3:00 pm tomorrow and Wednesday, June 6th and 7th for the installation of new signs.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 08, 2023, 12:27:48 PM
(For DE 24)  CM/GC, North Millsboro Bypass, US 113 to SR24 has been awarded (http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicFinalBidtabDisplay&id=T202112701)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Dough4872 on June 08, 2023, 03:40:15 PM
(For DE 24)  CM/GC, North Millsboro Bypass, US 113 to SR24 has been awarded (http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicFinalBidtabDisplay&id=T202112701)

I wonder if this bypass will be an unnumbered road or will be assigned a route number.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 08, 2023, 04:28:13 PM
Discussion upthread indicates that it will be a rerouted DE 24. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2833009#msg2833009)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Dough4872 on June 08, 2023, 04:47:24 PM
Discussion upthread indicates that it will be a rerouted DE 24. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2833009#msg2833009)

Wow, I didn’t think DE 24 was gonna be rerouted onto it since the bypass would add a lot of mileage to the route since it would have to take US 113 northwest to connect to the west end of the bypass. I thought maybe it would have remained unnumbered and been signed “To DE 24”  eastbound and “To US 113”  westbound
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on June 08, 2023, 09:37:01 PM
Discussion upthread indicates that it will be a rerouted DE 24. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2833009#msg2833009)

Wow, I didn’t think DE 24 was gonna be rerouted onto it since the bypass would add a lot of mileage to the route since it would have to take US 113 northwest to connect to the west end of the bypass. I thought maybe it would have remained unnumbered and been signed “To DE 24”  eastbound and “To US 113”  westbound

Unnumbered a la the POW/MIA Pkwy. on Dover's sw side, although that road ought to be signed "TO [DE 15 shield]" West Dover bound, and "TO [US 13 shield]" South Dover bound.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Dough4872 on June 09, 2023, 09:38:36 AM
Discussion upthread indicates that it will be a rerouted DE 24. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2833009#msg2833009)

Wow, I didn’t think DE 24 was gonna be rerouted onto it since the bypass would add a lot of mileage to the route since it would have to take US 113 northwest to connect to the west end of the bypass. I thought maybe it would have remained unnumbered and been signed “To DE 24”  eastbound and “To US 113”  westbound

Unnumbered a la the POW/MIA Pkwy. on Dover's sw side, although that road ought to be signed "TO [DE 15 shield]" West Dover bound, and "TO [US 13 shield]" South Dover bound.

There are signs along DE 15 at Saulsbury Road and North Street and the connector road from Wyoming Mill Road that sign the POW/MIA Parkway southbound as “To US 13” . In addition, a sign along the connector road from Wyoming Mill Road signs the POW/MIA Parkway northbound as “To DE 8” . However, there is no to  signage for DE 8 or DE 15 along US 13.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on June 09, 2023, 10:37:09 AM
Discussion upthread indicates that it will be a rerouted DE 24. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2833009#msg2833009)

Wow, I didn’t think DE 24 was gonna be rerouted onto it since the bypass would add a lot of mileage to the route since it would have to take US 113 northwest to connect to the west end of the bypass. I thought maybe it would have remained unnumbered and been signed “To DE 24”  eastbound and “To US 113”  westbound

It adds about 2 miles.  But avoids the 1-way/1-lane slog through downtown Millsboro and a very long wait for the light at the 24/113 intersection.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Dough4872 on June 09, 2023, 11:02:09 AM
Discussion upthread indicates that it will be a rerouted DE 24. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2833009#msg2833009)

Wow, I didn’t think DE 24 was gonna be rerouted onto it since the bypass would add a lot of mileage to the route since it would have to take US 113 northwest to connect to the west end of the bypass. I thought maybe it would have remained unnumbered and been signed “To DE 24”  eastbound and “To US 113”  westbound

It adds about 2 miles.  But avoids the 1-way/1-lane slog through downtown Millsboro and a very long wait for the light at the 24/113 intersection.

I wonder if DelDOT will designate the alignment through Millsboro as DE 24 Business once the bypass is completed.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 09, 2023, 02:55:32 PM
(For I-95, DE 72, and DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/896 Lane and Ramp Closures 6/12-6/18 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9579)

(affects DE 1 and DE 7)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Closure of I-95 for Overhead Sign Work (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9580)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - SB South College Avenue to Close for Drainage Work (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9581)

(For DE 2)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Work to Begin at Route 2 and Red Mill Road Intersection (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9582)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on June 09, 2023, 03:21:40 PM
Discussion upthread indicates that it will be a rerouted DE 24. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2833009#msg2833009)

Wow, I didn’t think DE 24 was gonna be rerouted onto it since the bypass would add a lot of mileage to the route since it would have to take US 113 northwest to connect to the west end of the bypass. I thought maybe it would have remained unnumbered and been signed “To DE 24”  eastbound and “To US 113”  westbound

It adds about 2 miles.  But avoids the 1-way/1-lane slog through downtown Millsboro and a very long wait for the light at the 24/113 intersection.

I wonder if DelDOT will designate the alignment through Millsboro as DE 24 Business once the bypass is completed.

Considering the apparent reluctance of DelDOT to establish any new routes, I doubt it. Old SR 1 along Bay Road and old U.S. 301 between SR 71 and SR 299 became unnumbered roads. Plus the last state route added to the system was SR 404 Business in 1999 (not counting the renumbering of SR 2 along Elkton Road in Newark to SR 279). The bannered routes for SR 24, SR 30 and SR 54 have since come and gone.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Dough4872 on June 09, 2023, 04:04:44 PM
Discussion upthread indicates that it will be a rerouted DE 24. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2833009#msg2833009)

Wow, I didn’t think DE 24 was gonna be rerouted onto it since the bypass would add a lot of mileage to the route since it would have to take US 113 northwest to connect to the west end of the bypass. I thought maybe it would have remained unnumbered and been signed “To DE 24”  eastbound and “To US 113”  westbound

It adds about 2 miles.  But avoids the 1-way/1-lane slog through downtown Millsboro and a very long wait for the light at the 24/113 intersection.

I wonder if DelDOT will designate the alignment through Millsboro as DE 24 Business once the bypass is completed.

Considering the apparent reluctance of DelDOT to establish any new routes, I doubt it. Old SR 1 along Bay Road and old U.S. 301 between SR 71 and SR 299 became unnumbered roads. Plus the last state route added to the system was SR 404 Business in 1999 (not counting the renumbering of SR 2 along Elkton Road in Newark to SR 279). The bannered routes for SR 24, SR 30 and SR 54 have since come and gone.

I know there are some leftover signs for DE 24 Alternate, but signs for DE 30 Alternate and DE 54 Alternate are gone. However, a business route on the old alignment would seem natural if DE 24 is routed to bypass Millsboro.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on June 14, 2023, 03:18:57 PM
Looks like the VSLs on I-495 are being replaced with full LED speed limit signs (instead of just the numbers). They also added flashing red arrows on Business 13 at the new riverfront bridge for off peak hours
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 20, 2023, 06:43:31 PM
(For I-95 and DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/896 Interchange--Upcoming Ramp Closure (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9602)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on June 21, 2023, 07:22:28 AM
Discussion upthread indicates that it will be a rerouted DE 24. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2833009#msg2833009)

Wow, I didn’t think DE 24 was gonna be rerouted onto it since the bypass would add a lot of mileage to the route since it would have to take US 113 northwest to connect to the west end of the bypass. I thought maybe it would have remained unnumbered and been signed “To DE 24”  eastbound and “To US 113”  westbound

Unnumbered a la the POW/MIA Pkwy. on Dover's sw side, although that road ought to be signed "TO [DE 15 shield]" West Dover bound, and "TO [US 13 shield]" South Dover bound.

There are signs along DE 15 at Saulsbury Road and North Street and the connector road from Wyoming Mill Road that sign the POW/MIA Parkway southbound as “To US 13” . In addition, a sign along the connector road from Wyoming Mill Road signs the POW/MIA Parkway northbound as “To DE 8” . However, there is no to  signage for DE 8 or DE 15 along US 13.

But no reassurance "TO [route #]" signs along POW/MIA Pkwy. itself, right?  There ought to be.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Dough4872 on June 21, 2023, 07:47:41 AM
Discussion upthread indicates that it will be a rerouted DE 24. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2833009#msg2833009)

Wow, I didn’t think DE 24 was gonna be rerouted onto it since the bypass would add a lot of mileage to the route since it would have to take US 113 northwest to connect to the west end of the bypass. I thought maybe it would have remained unnumbered and been signed “To DE 24”  eastbound and “To US 113”  westbound

Unnumbered a la the POW/MIA Pkwy. on Dover's sw side, although that road ought to be signed "TO [DE 15 shield]" West Dover bound, and "TO [US 13 shield]" South Dover bound.

There are signs along DE 15 at Saulsbury Road and North Street and the connector road from Wyoming Mill Road that sign the POW/MIA Parkway southbound as “To US 13” . In addition, a sign along the connector road from Wyoming Mill Road signs the POW/MIA Parkway northbound as “To DE 8” . However, there is no to  signage for DE 8 or DE 15 along US 13.

But no reassurance "TO [route #]" signs along POW/MIA Pkwy. itself, right?  There ought to be.

There is a “to DE 8”  sign along the POW/MIA Parkway at the north end of the parkway at DE 15 at Saulsbury Road and North Street.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 23, 2023, 05:46:53 PM
(For I-95 and DE 896) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/896 Interchange--Upcoming Lane and Ramp Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9605)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/896 Interchange--Upcoming Lane and Ramp Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9609)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on June 26, 2023, 07:54:09 PM
https://www.capegazette.com/article/open-house-offers-insights-five-points-area-planning/260335

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 27, 2023, 10:26:31 AM
(For DE 1 and DE 16)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - New Traffic Pattern at SR 1 and SR 16 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9611)

(For DE 1 and DE 1 BUS (Milford))  TRAFFIC ALERT - Kent and Sussex County - Ramp Closure: Route 1 Northbound Ramp to Business Route 1, South Side of Milford (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9612)  (So I guess DE 1 BUS is staying now?)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Dough4872 on June 27, 2023, 10:36:31 AM
(For DE 1 and DE 16)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - New Traffic Pattern at SR 1 and SR 16 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9611)

That’s interesting they’re gonna shift southbound traffic to the former northbound lanes rather than build the southbound ramps and shift southbound traffic there like they did with northbound traffic.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 28, 2023, 10:46:31 AM
(For DE 24)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Traffic Signal Activation at SR 24 and Mulberry Knoll Road (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9614)

(For DE 8 and DE 15)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Kent County - Closure of SR 8 (Forrest Avenue) at SR 15 (Saulsbury Road) (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9615)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Dough4872 on June 28, 2023, 11:15:26 AM
(For DE 1 and DE 1 BUS (Milford))  TRAFFIC ALERT - Kent and Sussex County - Ramp Closure: Route 1 Northbound Ramp to Business Route 1, South Side of Milford (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9612)  (So I guess DE 1 BUS is staying now?)

Wait, there are plans to eliminate the DE 1 Business designation? This sounds like news to me.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 28, 2023, 11:28:15 AM
(For DE 1 and DE 1 BUS (Milford))  TRAFFIC ALERT - Kent and Sussex County - Ramp Closure: Route 1 Northbound Ramp to Business Route 1, South Side of Milford (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9612)  (So I guess DE 1 BUS is staying now?)

Wait, there are plans to eliminate the DE 1 Business designation? This sounds like news to me.

From upthread: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2681105#msg2681105  (last paragraph from Alex)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Dough4872 on June 28, 2023, 11:33:07 AM
(For DE 1 and DE 1 BUS (Milford))  TRAFFIC ALERT - Kent and Sussex County - Ramp Closure: Route 1 Northbound Ramp to Business Route 1, South Side of Milford (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9612)  (So I guess DE 1 BUS is staying now?)

Wait, there are plans to eliminate the DE 1 Business designation? This sounds like news to me.

From upthread: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2681105#msg2681105  (last paragraph from Alex)

Wow, I never knew. But guess since they working on this ramp must mean that the business route is staying.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on June 29, 2023, 10:50:00 AM
(For DE 1 and DE 1 BUS (Milford))  TRAFFIC ALERT - Kent and Sussex County - Ramp Closure: Route 1 Northbound Ramp to Business Route 1, South Side of Milford (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9612)  (So I guess DE 1 BUS is staying now?)

Wait, there are plans to eliminate the DE 1 Business designation? This sounds like news to me.

From upthread: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2681105#msg2681105  (last paragraph from Alex)

Wow, I never knew. But guess since they working on this ramp must mean that the business route is staying.

I've not seen talk of removing the interchange with BUS SR 1 on any official documents, and it notably remains present on the department's most recent Corridor Capacity Preservation Program documents. (https://deldot.gov/Programs/corr_cap/index.shtml) Could've just been ideas being punted around from when the hospital and SR 30 interchange were being worked out?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on June 29, 2023, 11:16:44 AM
(For DE 1 and DE 16)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - New Traffic Pattern at SR 1 and SR 16 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9611)

That’s interesting they’re gonna shift southbound traffic to the former northbound lanes rather than build the southbound ramps and shift southbound traffic there like they did with northbound traffic.

Hardly resembling the (temporary) relocation of the DE 1 roadways during the construction of the Bowers Beach interchange.  There the ramps-to-be IIRC served as the roadways while the overpass that now carries DE 1 itself was under construction.

Meanwhile back at 1 and 16, they've relocated the webcam to a position high above the northbound ramps-to-be.  Depending on camera positioning, good views of part of the golf course, the net protecting wayward balls from landing on DE 1, and cars on NB 1 approaching the project site.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on June 29, 2023, 12:58:29 PM
(For DE 1 and DE 16)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - New Traffic Pattern at SR 1 and SR 16 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9611)

That’s interesting they’re gonna shift southbound traffic to the former northbound lanes rather than build the southbound ramps and shift southbound traffic there like they did with northbound traffic.

Hardly resembling the (temporary) relocation of the DE 1 roadways during the construction of the Bowers Beach interchange.  There the ramps-to-be IIRC served as the roadways while the overpass that now carries DE 1 itself was under construction.

The southbound ramp-to-be was just the original southbound lanes, so that traffic never experienced a major shift until they put it onto the final alignment as far as I remember.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 30, 2023, 03:09:41 PM
(For I-95 and DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/896 Interchange--Upcoming Lane and Ramp Closure (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9622)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 03, 2023, 10:21:23 AM
(For DE 1 and US 40)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Route 1 Ramp Closure (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9623&type=Traffic)

(For DE 15)  HEP KC, SR 15 & Andrews Lake Road Intersection Improvements (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=17164)

(For I-95 and DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDDATE--I-95/896 Interchange--Upcoming Lane and Ramp Closures (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9625&type=Traffic)

(For DE 2, DE 72, and DE 273) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Library Ave and Main Street Intersection to Close (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9626&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on July 05, 2023, 11:25:18 AM
(For DE 2, DE 72, and DE 273) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Library Ave and Main Street Intersection to Close (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9626&type=Traffic)

I'm curious what this is about, this is a significant near-month long closure but DelDOT has no active projects listed at the intersection and I've not found the contract for the project on the state's website at all.
Does anyone else have any insight?

EDIT: Looks like the closure is for a full-depth reconstruction of the intersection, with the pavement being converted to concrete.

https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/library-avenue/article_7c61e123-4fdc-56bb-b0a7-6ac484bb1171.html (https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/library-avenue/article_7c61e123-4fdc-56bb-b0a7-6ac484bb1171.html)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 07, 2023, 11:20:15 AM
(For I-95 and DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/896 Interchange--Upcoming Lane and Ramp Closures (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9629&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 10, 2023, 12:36:09 PM
(For I-95 and DE 273)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/Rt 273 Ramp to Close for Two Nights (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9632&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 12, 2023, 03:04:41 PM
(For DE 2, DE 72, and DE 273) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Library Ave and Main Street Intersection to Close (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9626&type=Traffic)

I'm curious what this is about, this is a significant near-month long closure but DelDOT has no active projects listed at the intersection and I've not found the contract for the project on the state's website at all.
Does anyone else have any insight?

EDIT: Looks like the closure is for a full-depth reconstruction of the intersection, with the pavement being converted to concrete.

https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/library-avenue/article_7c61e123-4fdc-56bb-b0a7-6ac484bb1171.html (https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/library-avenue/article_7c61e123-4fdc-56bb-b0a7-6ac484bb1171.html)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATE--Library Avenue and Main Street Closure (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9638)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on July 12, 2023, 08:31:03 PM
At North Walnut St. (DE 1 Bus.) and 10th St., plans are afoot to change the traffic flow, reports Coast TV.

https://www.wrde.com/news/potential-changes-around-north-walnut-street-and-tenth-street-in-milford-are-on-the-move/article_3cc531ce-20fc-11ee-836b-37b952148fa0.html

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Dough4872 on July 12, 2023, 08:33:07 PM
(For DE 1 and DE 16)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - New Traffic Pattern at SR 1 and SR 16 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9611)

The news release said the traffic switch was supposed to take place from the evening of July 11 until the morning of July 12. It’s now the evening of July 12 and based on looking at the traffic camera the switch hasn’t taken place yet. But it looks like construction vehicles are preparing for the switch to happen soon, possibly tonight.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 14, 2023, 12:21:37 PM
(For I-95 and DE 273)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/Rt 273 Ramp to Close for Two Nights (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9641)

(For I-95 and DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/896 Interchange--Upcoming Lane and Ramp Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9642)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Lane Restriction on Rt 896 at Corporate Boulevard (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9643)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 18, 2023, 03:17:50 PM
(For US 9 TRUCK)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Road Closure of South Bedford Street between Zoar Road and Park Avenue (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9651&type=Traffic)

(For DE 54)  Bridge 3-437 on Lighthouse Rd over Assawoman Bay Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=17227)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 19, 2023, 09:32:16 AM
(For I-95 and DE 273)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATE--I-95/Rt 273 Ramp to Close for Two Nights (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9653)

(For DE 8 and DE 15)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Kent County - Signal Activation at the Intersection of SR 8 (Forrest Avenue) and SR 15 (Saulsbury Road) (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9654)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on July 19, 2023, 10:09:59 AM
Cary Todd shared this Facebook post (https://www.facebook.com/RememberWhenDE/posts/pfbid0KLTWYvnUPQM2zWNHj3GZMCWveRM2QorGaa1tMLQP1YE3W6j4eda4mdUe4rbP4y29l) with me showing this 1941 photo of US 13/202 cutouts on Front Street in Wilmington. Looking at some of the map scans I have on the site, I believe the intersection to be French Street instead of Walnut Street as the post references, since U.S. 13 used French Street at that time.

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/uploads/maps/mid-atlantic/delaware_wilmington_1950.jpg)

If Front Street was one way east at that time, did US 202 northbound follow US 13 to 4th Street/SR 48 to connect with West Street north?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on July 19, 2023, 12:11:57 PM
That map and photo seem to produce more questions than answers for me.  (Especially since I do street centerlines for New Castle County these days.)

I can almost see my current house on the map, though.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on July 19, 2023, 08:26:40 PM
Cary Todd shared this Facebook post (https://www.facebook.com/RememberWhenDE/posts/pfbid0KLTWYvnUPQM2zWNHj3GZMCWveRM2QorGaa1tMLQP1YE3W6j4eda4mdUe4rbP4y29l) with me showing this 1941 photo of US 13/202 cutouts on Front Street in Wilmington. Looking at some of the map scans I have on the site, I believe the intersection to be French Street instead of Walnut Street as the post references, since U.S. 13 used French Street at that time.

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/uploads/maps/mid-atlantic/delaware_wilmington_1950.jpg)

Per Historic Aerials, French St. still existed between 2nd and 8th in 1970, though almost total demolition along both sides of those blocks had taken place by then.  By 1991 French St. was gone between 2nd and 8th.

As for Walnut St., IIRC the Walnut St. drawbridge wasn't built until the '50s.  I guess 13 (now Bus. 13) received its one way NB (via Walnut)/SB via King and South Market) pairing upon that bridge's completion.

And notice that Maryland Av. wasn't signed as DE 4 in 1941, and DE 9 didn't exist designationwise, at least in Wilmington.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on July 19, 2023, 11:01:59 PM
When MBNA built their downtown Wilmington campus in the late 1990s, taking over four square blocks and taking out at least a couple of cemeteries, they wanted to remove the one block of French Street that would run between blocks.  The compromise was to downgrade it to cobblestones.

Incidentally, Bank of America is now looking to sell all four buildings.  I wonder how long they'll last - Wilmington is going through a lot of redevelopment and I've seen some creative things done with other former MBNA campuses around here.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Dough4872 on July 20, 2023, 11:48:07 PM
https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2023/07/20/where-new-emoji-radar-speed-signs-will-be-installed-in-delaware/70432736007/ DelDOT using emojis on speed limit radar signs lol.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 21, 2023, 12:06:42 PM
(For DE 299) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Traffic Switch on Rt 299 in Middletown (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9659&type=Traffic)

(For I-95 and DE 896) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/896 Interchange-Upcoming Lane and Ramp Closures (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9662&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on July 21, 2023, 10:11:14 PM
https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2023/07/20/where-new-emoji-radar-speed-signs-will-be-installed-in-delaware/70432736007/ DelDOT using emojis on speed limit radar signs lol.

They have these on PA 41 heading into Chatham in both directions, I have to admit they've always made me feel bad about going too quick through the village
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 24, 2023, 02:18:03 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - James Street Bridge Closure (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9665&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: tmoore952 on July 24, 2023, 06:59:34 PM
"And notice that Maryland Av. wasn't signed as DE 4 in 1941, and DE 9 didn't exist designationwise, at least in Wilmington."

First post here, native Wilmingtonian (born there 1967). Probably didn't do quoting correctly, sorry about that.

Anyway, my late father was hired by DuPont in 1950 and moved to Wilmington then. He had some old maps that I haven't seen in a while, but I remember this much (what I write below).

At that time, Delaware 4 was what was later Delaware 299 going west of Middletown and ending at the state line just east of Warwick MD. This made a lot more sense to me since it was more like halfway between Delaware 2 in Wilmington-Newark corridor, and the Delaware 6 corridor at the New Castle County/Kent County line (as opposed to now (and the 50 years I can remember back)) where Delaware 2 and 4 are a couple miles from each other, and Delaware 6 is 40(?)+ miles south. I do not remember if Delaware 4 went east of Middletown, but I'm sure some website can answer that question.

Delaware 48 went down what is now Christina Avenue all the way down to what is now the Port of Wilmington --  on the south side of where the Christina River goes into the Delaware River (not far downstream from current I-495 bridge over Christina River). At the end of Delaware 48 was the ferry terminal to Penns Grove. This was one of (if not the only one, not sure about that) the ferries that the Delaware Memorial Bridge (opened 1951) replaced.

I do not know about Delaware 9 at that time.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on July 24, 2023, 10:09:42 PM
"And notice that Maryland Av. wasn't signed as DE 4 in 1941, and DE 9 didn't exist designationwise, at least in Wilmington."

First post here, native Wilmingtonian (born there 1967). Probably didn't do quoting correctly, sorry about that.

Delaware 48 went down what is now Christina Avenue all the way down to what is now the Port of Wilmington --  on the south side of where the Christina River goes into the Delaware River (not far downstream from current I-495 bridge over Christina River). At the end of Delaware 48 was the ferry terminal to Penns Grove. This was one of (if not the only one, not sure about that) the ferries that the Delaware Memorial Bridge (opened 1951) replaced.

I do not know about Delaware 9 at that time.

Welcome to the board! Also was born in Wilmington.

I have a lot on Delaware State Route history covered on the main site.

SR 9 only went as far as Smyrna until sometime in the late 50s. The 1959-60 Delaware Official Map is the first to show SR 9 north to Wilmington.

(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/uploads/maps/mid-atlantic/de-009_map_1956_480.jpg)

1956 map

Including the ferry, Delaware State Route 48 was part of a multi state highway with New Jersey Route 48.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 25, 2023, 10:03:36 AM
(For DE 8 and DE 15)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Kent County - Closure of SR 8 (Forrest Avenue) (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9668)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on July 25, 2023, 10:17:35 PM
Welcome to the forum, glad to have you here.

A question for both you & max, were there any trolley routes still around when you guys were coming up? it's sad Wilmington removed every trolley from the city, they should have at least kept two lines.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 26, 2023, 11:09:03 AM
(For DE 141)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Road Closure of South James St between East Water St and Old Airport Road Ramps to SR 141 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9671)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: tmoore952 on July 31, 2023, 01:50:05 PM
Welcome to the forum, glad to have you here.

A question for both you & max, were there any trolley routes still around when you guys were coming up? it's sad Wilmington removed every trolley from the city, they should have at least kept two lines.

I can remember back to about 1970-71. I do not remember any trolley lines in Wilmington.
I have older siblings I can ask, but I'll have to remember to do so.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 31, 2023, 04:23:15 PM
(For DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Lane Restrictions on Rt 896 at Corporate Boulevard (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9680)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 01, 2023, 12:22:35 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Traffic Signal Activation at US 9 (Freeman Highway) at Monroe Ave - White's Pond Meadow (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9683)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on August 01, 2023, 09:43:07 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Traffic Signal Activation at US 9 (Freeman Highway) at Monroe Ave - White's Pond Meadow (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9683)

Anticipating added traffic from the Olde Town development now under construction.  The Lewes library is at that intersection too, as are the access points to two rail trails (one going to Rehoboth, the other currently going west to Harbeson but slated to go on to Georgetown).

https://www.capegazette.com/article/new-monroe-freeman-traffic-signal-goes-live-aug-7/262296
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on August 02, 2023, 05:22:31 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Traffic Signal Activation at US 9 (Freeman Highway) at Monroe Ave - White's Pond Meadow (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9683)

Anticipating added traffic from the Olde Town development now under construction.  The Lewes library is at that intersection too, as are the access points to two rail trails (one going to Rehoboth, the other currently going west to Harbeson but slated to go on to Georgetown).

https://www.capegazette.com/article/new-monroe-freeman-traffic-signal-goes-live-aug-7/262296

Any reason they're calling it 'temporary'? The Kings Highway widening project that's on the horizon doesn't reach that far up US 9 so I can't think of any reason as to why it'd be temporary.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on August 02, 2023, 09:15:34 PM
Dolle's Candyland in downtown Rehoboth Beach has seen its production needs outgrow its space a couple of doors off the boardwalk (Dolle's used to be right on the boards at Rehoboth Avenue [nw corner]).

Dolle's recenly moved its production of salt water taffy and other candies to a new facility about 11 miles up DE 1, just south of the Broadkill River crossing, with a Milton, DE address.

https://www.capegazette.com/article/dolle%E2%80%99s-moves-candy-making-part-business-outside-milton/261599

https://www.wrde.com/news/dolles-candyland-brings-production-to-milton/article_1ea13012-316e-11ee-9286-3f0b94f58d4a.html

And to make this road related, let me quote the WRDE Coast TV article...

Quote
Even though production is now in Milton, purchasing of the sweet treats will still have to be done at the Rehoboth Beach location.

A storefront was a part of the original plans for the new production facility, but was denied by DelDOT because it falls within the Corridor Capacity Preservation Program. According to [Dolle's owner Tom] Ibach, DelDOT said retail at the site would cause too much congestion on this part of the highway.
Italics are mine, and I agree with DelDOT's thinking.

DelDOT's corridor protection program link is at https://deldot.gov/Programs/corr_cap/index.shtml
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 04, 2023, 01:13:05 PM
US 13 and Brenford / Big Oak Rd. Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=17289)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 07, 2023, 02:12:36 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Airport Road Closed Indefinitely (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9696&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Dough4872 on August 07, 2023, 03:55:05 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Airport Road Closed Indefinitely (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9696&type=Traffic)

This road always has issues with flooding, time to fix it to make it more resistant to floods.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 08, 2023, 04:28:22 PM
Baynard Boulevard Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=17310)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 09, 2023, 06:18:04 AM
I-295 Northbound, DE 141 to US 13 Virtual Workshop (https://deldot.gov/projects/vw/T202109101/)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on August 09, 2023, 10:33:20 PM
I-295 Northbound, DE 141 to US 13 Virtual Workshop (https://deldot.gov/projects/vw/T202109101/)

Amazing, it's almost like this stretch has been under construction for the past decade in my eyes.

Maybe this will finally, I mean finally fix the 295 NB Slowdown that occurs, also another good fix is the SWM Pond being built on Old Airport Rd, that should remedy the flooding issues on that road.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 11, 2023, 11:58:20 AM
(For DE 1 BUS (Milford)) TRAFFIC ALERT - Kent and Sussex County - Reopening of the Mispillion Bridge (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9705)

(For I-95, DE 72, and DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/Rt896 Interchange--Upcoming Ramp and Lane Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9706)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on August 13, 2023, 02:29:43 PM
I-295 Northbound, DE 141 to US 13 Virtual Workshop (https://deldot.gov/projects/vw/T202109101/)
That is awesome, that should finally take care of the NB 95/295 bottleneck.
If only they could do something about the SB bottleneck....
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on August 14, 2023, 02:43:24 PM
I-295 Northbound, DE 141 to US 13 Virtual Workshop (https://deldot.gov/projects/vw/T202109101/)
That is awesome, that should finally take care of the NB 95/295 bottleneck.
If only they could do something about the SB bottleneck....

Best solution there would be to reverse the split they have on NB Route 1 - keep thru traffic on the left side and traffic on 295 SB looking to reach Route 1 would take a flyover to the right side of the road.  Eliminates all of the weaving.  Unfortunately, the marshland surrounding 95 limits what they can do.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on August 15, 2023, 08:14:07 PM
Delaware's draft Capital Transportation Program documents for FY25 - FY30 are now available for review here on DelDOT's website (https://deldot.gov/Publications/reports/CTP/) at the bottom of the page.

Here's the latest on big projects and other stuff that stood out to me, both from the list of new projects and from the cost / schedule breakdown document.

NEW PROJECTS

OTHER PROJECTS

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on August 15, 2023, 09:01:30 PM
I’m guessing DelDOT wants US 113 to be upgraded to a n expressway.

The one on SR 273 and US 13 can’t be built due to the runway at New Castle Airport unless they realign SR 273 further south.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: The Ghostbuster on August 15, 2023, 09:08:01 PM
Any chance one of those future projects includes a conversion to mileage-based exit numbers?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Dough4872 on August 15, 2023, 11:03:27 PM
When the East and West Camden bypasses are built, will DE 10 be realigned onto the bypass and the former alignment possibly become a business route?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 16, 2023, 06:42:41 AM
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The one on SR 273 and US 13 can’t be built due to the runway at New Castle Airport unless they realign SR 273 further south.

I was thinking that DelDOT would squeeze this in as a SPUI.

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When the East and West Camden bypasses are built, will DE 10 be realigned onto the bypass and the former alignment possibly become a business route?

I looked into this previously and was unable to find any evidence of such.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 16, 2023, 10:44:18 AM
Any chance one of those future projects includes a conversion to mileage-based exit numbers?

Nothing in the Capital Spending programs hinted at such.  The most likely area this would be hidden in would be "Signage and Pavement Markings" on Page 6 of the FY25-FY30 plan.  A quick web search doesn't hint at any updating of the exit numbers either.

While it's a very thorough publication, it doesn't provide descriptions of the projects, although a number of them are pretty straightforward as to what they're considering doing.

Another publication, updated yearly, https://deldot.gov/Publications/reports/CTP/pdfs/ctp-book/FY23-FY28-CTP-book.pdf?cache=1692196439391 , provides a summery description of proposed funding, but again, nothing related to renumbering exits from what I found.

It's also noteworthy that the I-95 and DE 1 tolls are not used solely on I-95 and DE 1, but are integrated into the overall state transportation funding.  These tolls fund projects throughout the state.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on August 16, 2023, 12:17:14 PM
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The one on SR 273 and US 13 can’t be built due to the runway at New Castle Airport unless they realign SR 273 further south.

I was thinking that DelDOT would squeeze this in as a SPUI.

I disagree with John here.  If they dig into the hill, they can keep 273 at its existing grade and have 13 go underneath 273.  It'd be a construction phasing nightmare, but it's possible.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 16, 2023, 01:03:08 PM
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The one on SR 273 and US 13 can’t be built due to the runway at New Castle Airport unless they realign SR 273 further south.

I was thinking that DelDOT would squeeze this in as a SPUI.

I disagree with John here.  If they dig into the hill, they can keep 273 at its existing grade and have 13 go underneath 273.  It'd be a construction phasing nightmare, but it's possible.

Yep. If this couldn't be done, it wouldn't have been allocated funding.

Moving the travel lanes close and doing a diamond-the interchange to the outside, similar to the NB side of DE 7 at 58, would work here also.

I wouldn't be surprised if at least 2 of the businesses on the corners are acquired for the ROW for this project.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on August 16, 2023, 01:58:41 PM
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The one on SR 273 and US 13 can’t be built due to the runway at New Castle Airport unless they realign SR 273 further south.

I was thinking that DelDOT would squeeze this in as a SPUI.

I disagree with John here.  If they dig into the hill, they can keep 273 at its existing grade and have 13 go underneath 273.  It'd be a construction phasing nightmare, but it's possible.

Yep. If this couldn't be done, it wouldn't have been allocated funding.

Moving the travel lanes close and doing a diamond-the interchange to the outside, similar to the NB side of DE 7 at 58, would work here also.

I wouldn't be surprised if at least 2 of the businesses on the corners are acquired for the ROW for this project.

This was my thought. The US 29 @ Rio Road intersection rebuild north of Charlottesville, VA accomplished this exact scenario with even less room to work with.

Another publication, updated yearly, https://deldot.gov/Publications/reports/CTP/pdfs/ctp-book/FY23-FY28-CTP-book.pdf?cache=1692196439391 , provides a summery description of proposed funding, but again, nothing related to renumbering exits from what I found.

Oh nice, this document does a better job spelling out the intentions behind some of the projects I took educated guesses on.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on August 16, 2023, 02:20:24 PM
Im surprised they chose to persue grade separated for 13-273 before 13/40 which can be a much bigger headache especially in current times with the increased sprawl and warehouses further down 13 and beyond now.

However like someone mentioned above a huge warehouse, and booming airport probably sparked this.

The Airport has been doing so good they are back on for Aviation funding, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a brand new terminal being built in the next 5 years.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 16, 2023, 11:11:48 PM
Im surprised they chose to persue grade separated for 13-273 before 13/40 which can be a much bigger headache especially in current times with the increased sprawl and warehouses further down 13 and beyond now.

However like someone mentioned above a huge warehouse, and booming airport probably sparked this.

The Airport has been doing so good they are back on for Aviation funding, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a brand new terminal being built in the next 5 years.

That one I think is even harder to unweave.  While there's a few straightforward options, the numerous businesses, a nearby fire station, and the above-grade railroad crossing make for a tricky situation.  It's not impossible, but there's a bit there to work around.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on August 17, 2023, 10:31:54 PM
Im surprised they chose to persue grade separated for 13-273 before 13/40 which can be a much bigger headache especially in current times with the increased sprawl and warehouses further down 13 and beyond now.

However like someone mentioned above a huge warehouse, and booming airport probably sparked this.

The Airport has been doing so good they are back on for Aviation funding, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a brand new terminal being built in the next 5 years.

That one I think is even harder to unweave.  While there's a few straightforward options, the numerous businesses, a nearby fire station, and the above-grade railroad crossing make for a tricky situation.  It's not impossible, but there's a bit there to work around.

Ditto, that gas station in the middle of the intersection doesn't help either.

Thats definitely a bigger build for that one, 273/13 is a regular major intersection that will be easier to grade separate without all the extra hassle.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 18, 2023, 11:05:38 AM
(For I-95 and DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/896 Improvements--Upcoming Lane Restrictions (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9712)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on August 20, 2023, 12:33:10 PM
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The one on SR 273 and US 13 can’t be built due to the runway at New Castle Airport unless they realign SR 273 further south.

I was thinking that DelDOT would squeeze this in as a SPUI.

I disagree with John here.  If they dig into the hill, they can keep 273 at its existing grade and have 13 go underneath 273.  It'd be a construction phasing nightmare, but it's possible.

Yep. If this couldn't be done, it wouldn't have been allocated funding.

Moving the travel lanes close and doing a diamond-the interchange to the outside, similar to the NB side of DE 7 at 58, would work here also.

I wouldn't be surprised if at least 2 of the businesses on the corners are acquired for the ROW for this project.

What would happen to the New Castle Farmers Market?  I had some of the best cheesburgers and fries in my life there.  It's not quite on the ne corner but...
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on August 20, 2023, 07:23:45 PM
Full LED speed limit signs are working on 495 now
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on August 20, 2023, 08:58:05 PM
Full LED speed limit signs are working on 495 now

I noticed that yesterday driving up 495 to the Philly airport.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 21, 2023, 12:12:45 AM
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The one on SR 273 and US 13 can’t be built due to the runway at New Castle Airport unless they realign SR 273 further south.

I was thinking that DelDOT would squeeze this in as a SPUI.

I disagree with John here.  If they dig into the hill, they can keep 273 at its existing grade and have 13 go underneath 273.  It'd be a construction phasing nightmare, but it's possible.

Yep. If this couldn't be done, it wouldn't have been allocated funding.

Moving the travel lanes close and doing a diamond-the interchange to the outside, similar to the NB side of DE 7 at 58, would work here also.

I wouldn't be surprised if at least 2 of the businesses on the corners are acquired for the ROW for this project.

What would happen to the New Castle Farmers Market?  I had some of the best cheesburgers and fries in my life there.  It's not quite on the ne corner but...

Building wouldn't be impacted - far away from the intersection.

An entrance/exit or two may need to be relocated though depending on the interchange design.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on August 21, 2023, 04:38:02 AM
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The one on SR 273 and US 13 can’t be built due to the runway at New Castle Airport unless they realign SR 273 further south.

I was thinking that DelDOT would squeeze this in as a SPUI.

I disagree with John here.  If they dig into the hill, they can keep 273 at its existing grade and have 13 go underneath 273.  It'd be a construction phasing nightmare, but it's possible.
Considering the shallow angle, a SPUI wouldn’t work. Keeping  273 at grade and depressing 13/40 would be the only option to keep the runway operating across the intersection.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 25, 2023, 11:52:06 AM
(For I-95 and DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/896 Improvements--Upcoming Lane Restrictions (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9723)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Minor Delays on I-95 and Route 896 for Blasting (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9724)

(For DE 71 and DE 72)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Upcoming Closures of Route 72 and Route 71 Intersection (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9725)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 28, 2023, 01:52:27 PM
(For DE 71 and DE 72)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Upcoming Closure of Route 72/71 Intersection w/Corrected Detour (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9727&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on August 28, 2023, 01:53:00 PM
I-295 Northbound, DE 141 to US 13 Virtual Workshop (https://deldot.gov/projects/vw/T202109101/)
That is awesome, that should finally take care of the NB 95/295 bottleneck.
If only they could do something about the SB bottleneck....

Best solution there would be to reverse the split they have on NB Route 1 - keep thru traffic on the left side and traffic on 295 SB looking to reach Route 1 would take a flyover to the right side of the road.  Eliminates all of the weaving.  Unfortunately, the marshland surrounding 95 limits what they can do.
So they are just going to leave it as it, my god that is awful.

Also how long is this 896 mess going to be?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jmacswimmer on August 28, 2023, 03:05:08 PM
General observation about the I-95/DE 896 interchange project: I just realized the closure of the I-95 NB offramp is continuous for the duration of the project, and it seems, er, interesting that the official detour is to continue to exit 3, u-turn, and access DE 896 from the I-95 SB offramps.

Setting aside the matter of a certain toll plaza, I would think that exiting early at MD 279 would be faster (toll or no toll) than the exit 3 u-turn for most destinations involving NB exit 1. Currently the only indication of anything out of the ordinary ahead of the MD 279 interchange is these red & blue detour signs right before exit 109B (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6409964,-75.8035266,3a,41.2y,121.98h,88.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-9zEJuORf3a5s6owV8RzAg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu) which I presume are related to the project but provide no additional context beyond being, well, color-coded detours. I would also venture a guess that even if you continue past exit 1 to exit 3, that it might still be faster to not bother getting back on I-95 SB depending on destination.

Also how long is this 896 mess going to be?

Have you checked the project website? I'd imagine it has an estimated timeline for completion.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Dough4872 on August 28, 2023, 04:25:46 PM
General observation about the I-95/DE 896 interchange project: I just realized the closure of the I-95 NB offramp is continuous for the duration of the project, and it seems, er, interesting that the official detour is to continue to exit 3, u-turn, and access DE 896 from the I-95 SB offramps.

Setting aside the matter of a certain toll plaza, I would think that exiting early at MD 279 would be faster (toll or no toll) than the exit 3 u-turn for most destinations involving NB exit 1. Currently the only indication of anything out of the ordinary ahead of the MD 279 interchange is these red & blue detour signs right before exit 109B (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6409964,-75.8035266,3a,41.2y,121.98h,88.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-9zEJuORf3a5s6owV8RzAg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu) which I presume are related to the project but provide no additional context beyond being, well, color-coded detours. I would also venture a guess that even if you continue past exit 1 to exit 3, that it might still be faster to not bother getting back on I-95 SB depending on destination.

Also how long is this 896 mess going to be?

Have you checked the project website? I'd imagine it has an estimated timeline for completion.

Of course DelDOT doesn’t want detour traffic bypassing their toll plaza. They’re all about getting money from motorists so they make them pay the toll and then detour by going out of the way.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 28, 2023, 04:41:43 PM
(For DE 896)  Boyds Corner Road, Cedar Lane Road to US 13 Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=17389)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on August 28, 2023, 10:30:08 PM
General observation about the I-95/DE 896 interchange project: I just realized the closure of the I-95 NB offramp is continuous for the duration of the project, and it seems, er, interesting that the official detour is to continue to exit 3, u-turn, and access DE 896 from the I-95 SB offramps.

Setting aside the matter of a certain toll plaza, I would think that exiting early at MD 279 would be faster (toll or no toll) than the exit 3 u-turn for most destinations involving NB exit 1. Currently the only indication of anything out of the ordinary ahead of the MD 279 interchange is these red & blue detour signs right before exit 109B (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6409964,-75.8035266,3a,41.2y,121.98h,88.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-9zEJuORf3a5s6owV8RzAg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu) which I presume are related to the project but provide no additional context beyond being, well, color-coded detours. I would also venture a guess that even if you continue past exit 1 to exit 3, that it might still be faster to not bother getting back on I-95 SB depending on destination.

Also how long is this 896 mess going to be?

Have you checked the project website? I'd imagine it has an estimated timeline for completion.

Of course DelDOT doesn’t want detour traffic bypassing their toll plaza. They’re all about getting money from motorists so they make them pay the toll and then detour by going out of the way.

In general, detours are going to be posted *after* the closure point.  The reasoning is that motorists aren't going to be paying attention to detour signs before the closure point, and will drive right past the signs.  When they get to the closed ramp, they'll need detour signage anyway.  So no reason to sign 2 detours.

If the detour is so far out of the way after the closure point, they may sign the detour prior to the construction, but it doesn't occur often.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on August 29, 2023, 09:51:52 AM
General observation about the I-95/DE 896 interchange project: I just realized the closure of the I-95 NB offramp is continuous for the duration of the project, and it seems, er, interesting that the official detour is to continue to exit 3, u-turn, and access DE 896 from the I-95 SB offramps.

Setting aside the matter of a certain toll plaza, I would think that exiting early at MD 279 would be faster (toll or no toll) than the exit 3 u-turn for most destinations involving NB exit 1. Currently the only indication of anything out of the ordinary ahead of the MD 279 interchange is these red & blue detour signs right before exit 109B (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6409964,-75.8035266,3a,41.2y,121.98h,88.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-9zEJuORf3a5s6owV8RzAg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu) which I presume are related to the project but provide no additional context beyond being, well, color-coded detours. I would also venture a guess that even if you continue past exit 1 to exit 3, that it might still be faster to not bother getting back on I-95 SB depending on destination.


I imagine GPS takes care of this 99% of the time
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on August 30, 2023, 08:09:32 PM
That DE896/95 display is really confusing.
I cannot figure out if 896 through traffic is going to have traffic signals or be a diverging diamond.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on August 31, 2023, 01:04:38 AM
That DE896/95 display is really confusing.
I cannot figure out if 896 through traffic is going to have traffic signals or be a diverging diamond.
Yes.


https://95896improvements.com/
has videos showing improvements
try the videos
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 31, 2023, 09:47:58 AM
(For DE 14) TRAFFIC ALERT - Kent and Sussex County - Road Closure of NE Front Street between East Street and Denny Row (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9732&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 08, 2023, 11:17:27 AM
(For I-95 and DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95 / SR 896 Interchange - Upcoming Lane and Ramp Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9746)

(For DE 71 and DE 72)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Upcoming Closure of Route 72/71 Intersection w/Corrected Detour (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9727&type=Traffic)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Update- Closure of Route 72/71 Intersection to Remain Until 6:00PM Saturday, 9/9 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9747)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bluecountry on September 10, 2023, 09:17:21 AM
That DE896/95 display is really confusing.
I cannot figure out if 896 through traffic is going to have traffic signals or be a diverging diamond.
Yes.


https://95896improvements.com/
has videos showing improvements
try the videos
Thanks.  Still wish DELDOT would fix 295 junction with 95SB.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on September 11, 2023, 01:13:44 AM
That DE896/95 display is really confusing.
I cannot figure out if 896 through traffic is going to have traffic signals or be a diverging diamond.
Yes.


https://95896improvements.com/
has videos showing improvements
try the videos
Thanks.  Still wish DELDOT would fix 295 junction with 95SB.

The only way they can fix the SB 95/295 Merge is by going back 50 years and putting the SB 295 Ramp on the right side of 95 where its supposed to be, mirroring the NB 295/95 Side.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on September 11, 2023, 01:19:44 AM
General observation about the I-95/DE 896 interchange project: I just realized the closure of the I-95 NB offramp is continuous for the duration of the project, and it seems, er, interesting that the official detour is to continue to exit 3, u-turn, and access DE 896 from the I-95 SB offramps.

Setting aside the matter of a certain toll plaza, I would think that exiting early at MD 279 would be faster (toll or no toll) than the exit 3 u-turn for most destinations involving NB exit 1. Currently the only indication of anything out of the ordinary ahead of the MD 279 interchange is these red & blue detour signs right before exit 109B (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6409964,-75.8035266,3a,41.2y,121.98h,88.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-9zEJuORf3a5s6owV8RzAg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu) which I presume are related to the project but provide no additional context beyond being, well, color-coded detours. I would also venture a guess that even if you continue past exit 1 to exit 3, that it might still be faster to not bother getting back on I-95 SB depending on destination.

Also how long is this 896 mess going to be?

Have you checked the project website? I'd imagine it has an estimated timeline for completion.

Of course DelDOT doesn’t want detour traffic bypassing their toll plaza. They’re all about getting money from motorists so they make them pay the toll and then detour by going out of the way.

I just think it's hilarious, that this 896/95 project is only happening to due traffic shunpiking the toll to go past it into Maryland, and Newark.

They are literally building a huge ramp to handle the volume of shunpiking.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on September 11, 2023, 09:22:45 AM
General observation about the I-95/DE 896 interchange project: I just realized the closure of the I-95 NB offramp is continuous for the duration of the project, and it seems, er, interesting that the official detour is to continue to exit 3, u-turn, and access DE 896 from the I-95 SB offramps.

Setting aside the matter of a certain toll plaza, I would think that exiting early at MD 279 would be faster (toll or no toll) than the exit 3 u-turn for most destinations involving NB exit 1. Currently the only indication of anything out of the ordinary ahead of the MD 279 interchange is these red & blue detour signs right before exit 109B (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6409964,-75.8035266,3a,41.2y,121.98h,88.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-9zEJuORf3a5s6owV8RzAg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu) which I presume are related to the project but provide no additional context beyond being, well, color-coded detours. I would also venture a guess that even if you continue past exit 1 to exit 3, that it might still be faster to not bother getting back on I-95 SB depending on destination.

Also how long is this 896 mess going to be?

Have you checked the project website? I'd imagine it has an estimated timeline for completion.

Of course DelDOT doesn’t want detour traffic bypassing their toll plaza. They’re all about getting money from motorists so they make them pay the toll and then detour by going out of the way.

I just think it's hilarious, that this 896/95 project is only happening to due traffic shunpiking the toll to go past it into Maryland, and Newark.

They are literally building a huge ramp to handle the volume of shunpiking.

It is dealing with weaving traffic on SR 896 southbound between the two loop ramps with I-95, and finally addressing the growth in commuter traffic from I-95 onto SR 896 south of Newark, started with the completion of the four laning back in 1993.

Why would DelDOT consider shunpiking traffic as a reason to upgrade something?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 11, 2023, 10:00:58 AM
(Also for US 13)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-495 SB Exit 1 Ramp to Rt 13 to Close for Overnight Work (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9748&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on September 11, 2023, 10:16:31 AM
General observation about the I-95/DE 896 interchange project: I just realized the closure of the I-95 NB offramp is continuous for the duration of the project, and it seems, er, interesting that the official detour is to continue to exit 3, u-turn, and access DE 896 from the I-95 SB offramps.

Setting aside the matter of a certain toll plaza, I would think that exiting early at MD 279 would be faster (toll or no toll) than the exit 3 u-turn for most destinations involving NB exit 1. Currently the only indication of anything out of the ordinary ahead of the MD 279 interchange is these red & blue detour signs right before exit 109B (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6409964,-75.8035266,3a,41.2y,121.98h,88.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-9zEJuORf3a5s6owV8RzAg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu) which I presume are related to the project but provide no additional context beyond being, well, color-coded detours. I would also venture a guess that even if you continue past exit 1 to exit 3, that it might still be faster to not bother getting back on I-95 SB depending on destination.

Also how long is this 896 mess going to be?

Have you checked the project website? I'd imagine it has an estimated timeline for completion.

Of course DelDOT doesn’t want detour traffic bypassing their toll plaza. They’re all about getting money from motorists so they make them pay the toll and then detour by going out of the way.

I just think it's hilarious, that this 896/95 project is only happening to due traffic shunpiking the toll to go past it into Maryland, and Newark.

They are literally building a huge ramp to handle the volume of shunpiking.

It is dealing with weaving traffic on SR 896 southbound between the two loop ramps with I-95, and finally addressing the growth in commuter traffic from I-95 onto SR 896 south of Newark, started with the completion of the four laning back in 1993.

Why would DelDOT consider shunpiking traffic as a reason to upgrade something?

I took those ramps everyday for years. The biggest back up was with 95 SB Drivers getting off 95 & getting on the Newark & Middletown Ramps.

The NB 95 ramps had no back up issues.

In fact they fixed the Loop merge issue when they dropped 896 from 2 lanes at the loop merges to 1 lane allowing the 95 On & Off ramps to have their own dedicated lane fixing the merging issue.

Like ive said before on here if the toll booth was after the MD 279 Elkton/Newark exit there wouldnt be traffic that bad on those ramps from shunpiking & this project wouldn’t be needed.

Also from 896 project page https://95896improvements.com/about/project-overview#purpose-and-need (https://95896improvements.com/about/project-overview#purpose-and-need)

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Of the estimated Annual Average Daily Traffic of about 127,000 vehicles per day (89% passenger vehicles, 11% heavy-duty vehicles) traveling through this part of the I-95 corridor, over half (60%!) of these vehicles utilize this interchange to enter/exit I-95.

Over 60% of people taking an exit sounds like Skipping the toll to me.

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 11, 2023, 01:25:44 PM
Also from 896 project page https://95896improvements.com/about/project-overview#purpose-and-need (https://95896improvements.com/about/project-overview#purpose-and-need)

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Of the estimated Annual Average Daily Traffic of about 127,000 vehicles per day (89% passenger vehicles, 11% heavy-duty vehicles) traveling through this part of the I-95 corridor, over half (60%!) of these vehicles utilize this interchange to enter/exit I-95.

Over 60% of people taking an exit sounds like Skipping the toll to me.

We determined that number was mis-stated.  Going back to this post: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2820412#msg2820412 , the traffic count North of Interchange 1 in 2021 is 117,657, and south of Interchange 1 was 79,581, showing about 33% of the traffic exited and entered here. 

That said, looking at the more recent 2022 data: https://deldot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=4f76a1fa5b5c493cb3e1fad44a50dad1 , it shows traffic volumes went up prior to the interchange, but down after the interchange, which is...odd.  It now shows 120,328 vehicles north of Int. 1, and 69,847 south of Int 1, revealing 42% of traffic is now exiting at the interchange in 2022.  Yet looking at the traffic counts on and and near 896, they don't really reflect any major difference, and I think they actually decreased in some cases.  Not sure where the additional 20,000 vehicles went.

Either way, it's not close to the 60% figure cited by the news article.

Remember also that people live, work, and go to school off 896.  The traffic counts in the above show there's a significant dropoff the closer you get to the DE/MD state line via various routes that people could take to shunpike.  Looking at DE 279, there's only about a 2,000 vehicle increase south of DE 4 & Red Lion Road compared to North of it.  And on the other side, there's significant volume drops prior to the MD State Line.

It's also notable that even without a toll plaza, many of the people entering MD from various roads off of 896 would do so anyway if they live close to the state line.  There's some significant developments within a mile of the state line that would require backtracking if someone were to enter/exit at MD 279 and go thru the toll plaza.

And finally, motorists using 95 to 896 South could be also shunpiking...DE 1 & US 301.  Of the various toll free options to get to Middletown, 95 to 896 to 71 is the fastest; usually faster than taking DE 1 to US 13 south of the C&D Canal.

So, yes, people are shunpiking.  Is it 60%?  No - the media got that wrong, and DelDOT's traffic counts prove that.  What's the actual percentage?  If I had to guess some numbers, probably in the neighborhood of 10-15%, with another few percentage points of people living in MD that would utilize the interchange regardless.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on September 11, 2023, 06:22:56 PM
Also from 896 project page https://95896improvements.com/about/project-overview#purpose-and-need (https://95896improvements.com/about/project-overview#purpose-and-need)

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Of the estimated Annual Average Daily Traffic of about 127,000 vehicles per day (89% passenger vehicles, 11% heavy-duty vehicles) traveling through this part of the I-95 corridor, over half (60%!) of these vehicles utilize this interchange to enter/exit I-95.

Over 60% of people taking an exit sounds like Skipping the toll to me.

We determined that number was mis-stated.  Going back to this post: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2820412#msg2820412 , the traffic count North of Interchange 1 in 2021 is 117,657, and south of Interchange 1 was 79,581, showing about 33% of the traffic exited and entered here. 

That said, looking at the more recent 2022 data: https://deldot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=4f76a1fa5b5c493cb3e1fad44a50dad1 , it shows traffic volumes went up prior to the interchange, but down after the interchange, which is...odd.  It now shows 120,328 vehicles north of Int. 1, and 69,847 south of Int 1, revealing 42% of traffic is now exiting at the interchange in 2022.  Yet looking at the traffic counts on and and near 896, they don't really reflect any major difference, and I think they actually decreased in some cases.  Not sure where the additional 20,000 vehicles went.

Either way, it's not close to the 60% figure cited by the news article.

Remember also that people live, work, and go to school off 896.  The traffic counts in the above show there's a significant dropoff the closer you get to the DE/MD state line via various routes that people could take to shunpike.  Looking at DE 279, there's only about a 2,000 vehicle increase south of DE 4 & Red Lion Road compared to North of it.  And on the other side, there's significant volume drops prior to the MD State Line.

It's also notable that even without a toll plaza, many of the people entering MD from various roads off of 896 would do so anyway if they live close to the state line.  There's some significant developments within a mile of the state line that would require backtracking if someone were to enter/exit at MD 279 and go thru the toll plaza.

And finally, motorists using 95 to 896 South could be also shunpiking...DE 1 & US 301.  Of the various toll free options to get to Middletown, 95 to 896 to 71 is the fastest; usually faster than taking DE 1 to US 13 south of the C&D Canal.

So, yes, people are shunpiking.  Is it 60%?  No - the media got that wrong, and DelDOT's traffic counts prove that.  What's the actual percentage?  If I had to guess some numbers, probably in the neighborhood of 10-15%, with another few percentage points of people living in MD that would utilize the interchange regardless.
Careful. You're taking numbers before and after the interchange and assuming that's pure exit. People do enter there also. If you account for them, this traffic engineer bets that 50% is totally what's happening.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 11, 2023, 07:06:42 PM
Also from 896 project page https://95896improvements.com/about/project-overview#purpose-and-need (https://95896improvements.com/about/project-overview#purpose-and-need)

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Of the estimated Annual Average Daily Traffic of about 127,000 vehicles per day (89% passenger vehicles, 11% heavy-duty vehicles) traveling through this part of the I-95 corridor, over half (60%!) of these vehicles utilize this interchange to enter/exit I-95.

Over 60% of people taking an exit sounds like Skipping the toll to me.

We determined that number was mis-stated.  Going back to this post: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=372.msg2820412#msg2820412 , the traffic count North of Interchange 1 in 2021 is 117,657, and south of Interchange 1 was 79,581, showing about 33% of the traffic exited and entered here. 

That said, looking at the more recent 2022 data: https://deldot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=4f76a1fa5b5c493cb3e1fad44a50dad1 , it shows traffic volumes went up prior to the interchange, but down after the interchange, which is...odd.  It now shows 120,328 vehicles north of Int. 1, and 69,847 south of Int 1, revealing 42% of traffic is now exiting at the interchange in 2022.  Yet looking at the traffic counts on and and near 896, they don't really reflect any major difference, and I think they actually decreased in some cases.  Not sure where the additional 20,000 vehicles went.

Either way, it's not close to the 60% figure cited by the news article.

Remember also that people live, work, and go to school off 896.  The traffic counts in the above show there's a significant dropoff the closer you get to the DE/MD state line via various routes that people could take to shunpike.  Looking at DE 279, there's only about a 2,000 vehicle increase south of DE 4 & Red Lion Road compared to North of it.  And on the other side, there's significant volume drops prior to the MD State Line.

It's also notable that even without a toll plaza, many of the people entering MD from various roads off of 896 would do so anyway if they live close to the state line.  There's some significant developments within a mile of the state line that would require backtracking if someone were to enter/exit at MD 279 and go thru the toll plaza.

And finally, motorists using 95 to 896 South could be also shunpiking...DE 1 & US 301.  Of the various toll free options to get to Middletown, 95 to 896 to 71 is the fastest; usually faster than taking DE 1 to US 13 south of the C&D Canal.

So, yes, people are shunpiking.  Is it 60%?  No - the media got that wrong, and DelDOT's traffic counts prove that.  What's the actual percentage?  If I had to guess some numbers, probably in the neighborhood of 10-15%, with another few percentage points of people living in MD that would utilize the interchange regardless.
Careful. You're taking numbers before and after the interchange and assuming that's pure exit. People do enter there also. If you account for them, this traffic engineer bets that 50% is totally what's happening.


At this interchange, I would expect there would be very few people entering going south and exiting coming north.  Some, sure.  But not a whole lot.

I'm also considering things like the turn lanes at the most likely points of shunpiking, both on 896 and 279, and admittedly limited observations.  They wouldn't support the volume of traffic if everyone exiting was shunpiking.

Am I basing this just on the volumes shown, without the availability of more specific turning lane volumes and such?  Again, sure.  But I believe, as we groupthink here, we may over-estimate how many people shunpike because we've convinced ourselves that everyone should shunpike.  Seeing how relatively few cars wait to turn compared to the thru traffic at the likely shunpiking intersections on 896 leads me to believe shunpiking, while somewhat significant, isn't tremendously so, especially taking into account the number of people that live right around the DE/MD border and would use the exits before the toll plaza anyway because it's the shortest and best route available to their homes/destinations.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on September 11, 2023, 07:26:00 PM
I 100% agree with both you Jeff and Alex that this project isn't just merited due to the fact of Shunpikers, ill pull my exaggeration back a bit.

However the congestion due to the loop ramps was fixed when they made it 1 lane over the bridge, so in reality minor rehabilitation of the ramps, and etc maybe would have been a better investment in money in this interchange. I see other interchanges like 273/1 or 13/1 in more need of a revamp then 896/95.

Glasgow, as well as further down 896 and beyond is built up now, in fact I would say most people who are exiting 95 via Middletown exit are most likely trying to access 896/40 and even going over the 896 bridge to middletown which will see even more use once the 301/896 connection is built.

However, for the Points Newark, and Elkton I do believe a good majority of people are using the Newark exit to bypass the road and hit MD 279 and even the other side of Newark, A good amount of traffic that gets off of there does three things, Takes the turn on the very backwood Welsh Tract Rd, Takes the weird Jugg Handle Turn onto Chestnut Rd or Takes the turn onto the 4 Towards Home Depot.

Those three turns disperse a good amount of traffic, and as a once resident in the area of 279 & Appleby Rd in Elkton I would also take 1 of three turns to go home.

The only time I would not take that exit, would be during the afternoon rush hour when that Newark Exit was very backed up, and I would continue straight through the toll to take the MD 279 exit to save me 15 minutes, and get home without a headache.

Also thanks for the exact numbers, I do remember us talking about that before, and I couldn't find the Offical numbers when searching online.

Do they have the numbers for the 3 Minor roads I brought up?



Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 11, 2023, 10:18:08 PM
Do they have the numbers for the 3 Minor roads I brought up?

Just whatever was on this link (copied from earlier): https://deldot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=4f76a1fa5b5c493cb3e1fad44a50dad1

DelDOT's website does have other traffic count links, but I haven't clicked in them to see what they offer. (Do a Google search on DelDOT traffic counts; that's the easiest way to pull up their info.)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on September 11, 2023, 11:02:30 PM
Do they have the numbers for the 3 Minor roads I brought up?

Just whatever was on this link (copied from earlier): https://deldot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=4f76a1fa5b5c493cb3e1fad44a50dad1

DelDOT's website does have other traffic count links, but I haven't clicked in them to see what they offer. (Do a Google search on DelDOT traffic counts; that's the easiest way to pull up their info.)

Interesting thank you for that link now we can look at some data.

28,000 vehicles take those three roads I mentioned, thats not including Ironhill road which is another 11K. (I wonder if MD had this same GIS map so we can see their end)

Let’s hypothetically say 28K people got off at the ramp everyday to shunpike the toll via those three roads.

If we add 28K too the number that continues after the exit which was around 69K that brings the vehicles continuing on through the Toll at 97K   

A substantial amount of vehicles.

Now looking at the 279 in Newark the averages for that road is around 27K pretty high, I didn’t expect that number, however it is a very traversed road.

I would assume that a good amount of vehicles looking at this data is in fact getting off at the Newark exit to Shunpike the toll.

What do you think?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 12, 2023, 01:15:36 AM
Do they have the numbers for the 3 Minor roads I brought up?

Just whatever was on this link (copied from earlier): https://deldot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=4f76a1fa5b5c493cb3e1fad44a50dad1

DelDOT's website does have other traffic count links, but I haven't clicked in them to see what they offer. (Do a Google search on DelDOT traffic counts; that's the easiest way to pull up their info.)

Interesting thank you for that link now we can look at some data.

28,000 vehicles take those three roads I mentioned, thats not including Ironhill road which is another 11K. (I wonder if MD had this same GIS map so we can see their end)

Let’s hypothetically say 28K people got off at the ramp everyday to shunpike the toll via those three roads.

If we add 28K too the number that continues after the exit which was around 69K that brings the vehicles continuing on through the Toll at 97K   

A substantial amount of vehicles.

Now looking at the 279 in Newark the averages for that road is around 27K pretty high, I didn’t expect that number, however it is a very traversed road.

I would assume that a good amount of vehicles looking at this data is in fact getting off at the Newark exit to Shunpike the toll.

What do you think?

There are thousands of homes in the Newark-Elkton-Glasgow triangle that are served by the SR 896 exit, and thousands more served by the SR 279 exit that can easily be served by 896 with five minutes of extra driving. Delaware's population and employment centers live north of these exits, it's only natural for trips generated by these thousands of homes to trend northward up the interstate. People are taking these exits and using the secondary roads in its vicinity because they live there. The notion of toll-skipping even being a notable source of traffic generation at these exits is ridiculous, if that were true the reciprocal exit and collecting intersections on SR 279 would be just as heinous.

EDIT - To expound on this further, here's the dividing line in terms of travel times for a trip from SB I-95 to points in Elkton / Glasgow. West of the line you're better off taking the SR 279 exit, east of it SR 896. This was assuming clear conditions, however if you define a Depart By time for the evening rush hour it does not change the dividing line appreciably. Observe just how much of Elkton and its suburbs are better off being accessed by SR 896. These exits are busy because the area around them is busy, and any additional traffic generated by people toll-skipping is a drop in the bucket compared to the sheer number of people just taking the quickest route home.

(https://i.imgur.com/zK0oXdb.png)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 12, 2023, 02:46:11 PM
Says a lot of smart things.
Can be an idiot more often than he will admit.

So I gave this some thought during my commute today.  Not only on 95 itself, but especially at the intersections off the highway. And totally get more of an appreciation of what you were saying, especially considering the various turning movements at 896 & 4, and 4 and 279.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on September 12, 2023, 04:36:15 PM
Do they have the numbers for the 3 Minor roads I brought up?

Just whatever was on this link (copied from earlier): https://deldot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=4f76a1fa5b5c493cb3e1fad44a50dad1

DelDOT's website does have other traffic count links, but I haven't clicked in them to see what they offer. (Do a Google search on DelDOT traffic counts; that's the easiest way to pull up their info.)

Interesting thank you for that link now we can look at some data.

28,000 vehicles take those three roads I mentioned, thats not including Ironhill road which is another 11K. (I wonder if MD had this same GIS map so we can see their end)

Let’s hypothetically say 28K people got off at the ramp everyday to shunpike the toll via those three roads.

If we add 28K too the number that continues after the exit which was around 69K that brings the vehicles continuing on through the Toll at 97K   

A substantial amount of vehicles.

Now looking at the 279 in Newark the averages for that road is around 27K pretty high, I didn’t expect that number, however it is a very traversed road.

I would assume that a good amount of vehicles looking at this data is in fact getting off at the Newark exit to Shunpike the toll.

What do you think?

There are thousands of homes in the Newark-Elkton-Glasgow triangle that are served by the SR 896 exit, and thousands more served by the SR 279 exit that can easily be served by 896 with five minutes of extra driving. Delaware's population and employment centers live north of these exits, it's only natural for trips generated by these thousands of homes to trend northward up the interstate. People are taking these exits and using the secondary roads in its vicinity because they live there. The notion of toll-skipping even being a notable source of traffic generation at these exits is ridiculous, if that were true the reciprocal exit and collecting intersections on SR 279 would be just as heinous.

EDIT - To expound on this further, here's the dividing line in terms of travel times for a trip from SB I-95 to points in Elkton / Glasgow. West of the line you're better off taking the SR 279 exit, east of it SR 896. This was assuming clear conditions, however if you define a Depart By time for the evening rush hour it does not change the dividing line appreciably. Observe just how much of Elkton and its suburbs are better off being accessed by SR 896. These exits are busy because the area around them is busy, and any additional traffic generated by people toll-skipping is a drop in the bucket compared to the sheer number of people just taking the quickest route home.

(https://i.imgur.com/zK0oXdb.png)

Thank you for that breakdown, I have to say I agree with you, east of the 279 exit  is busier then west of it due to less sprawl that way of the river.

Taking the 279 exit would be a better bet for you if you lived in Elkton or trying to access Newark without the headache.

The 896 exit does give drivers better alternatives to get home or go shopping, and etc.

I do wonder if there was no toll how many more people would take that exit compared to 896 or would they continue doing the same thing.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 12, 2023, 05:39:03 PM
I do wonder if there was no toll how many more people would take that exit compared to 896 or would they continue doing the same thing.

I could see some traffic waiting until SR 279 to exit, but given the position of the line dividing best travel times I can't imagine it'd be a massive difference. Access to Elkton's eastern neighborhoods is pretty restricted from SR 279. You're limited to taking SR 279 clear into Elkton, or using Muddy Lane to get to Old Baltimore Pike (which entails a number of turns, a travel stop area, a narrow sketchy underpass, and a long traffic signal cycle at SR 279).

For what it's worth, it seems like the restricted circulation around east Elkton is starting to get some attention, WILMAPCO's kicking off a study (http://www.wilmapco.org/EAST-ELKTON/) to look into fixing this exact problem.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mrsman on September 12, 2023, 07:17:45 PM
That DE896/95 display is really confusing.
I cannot figure out if 896 through traffic is going to have traffic signals or be a diverging diamond.
Yes.


https://95896improvements.com/
has videos showing improvements
try the videos
Thanks.  Still wish DELDOT would fix 295 junction with 95SB.

Often think a lot about fixes for this terrible stretch that affects so many interregional trips int the Northeast.

Obviously physical widening would do wonders, but there are some other things that can be done to make improvements.

Right now, 5 lanes* of SB 95 (combined with 495) approach DE-141 exit.  The 5th lane forces an exit to Newport and the 4th lane allows for either an exit onto the C/D road or to remain on the main lanes.  Let's say we force the 4th lane onto the C/D road, which will leave 3 lanes of 95 in the main lanes.

Right now, 3 lanes of 295 SB approach the merge.  The left lane forces an exit onto DE-141 Newport and the right two lanes continue onto the merge.  Let's instead make the left lane not force an exit, so that three lanes of 295 can continue to the merge.

As the main lanes of 95 have been reduced from 4 to 3, there now exists room for 295 to increase from 2 to 3.  And this will allow for a better merge that better manages the relative traffic flows between 95 and 295.  The rest of the roadway does not change and this leads to:

5th lane of 95 -- exits to 141 Newport
4th lane of 95 -- C/D road at DE-141 and then merges back into freeway with the right lane ending just south of the end of the C-D road
3rd lane of 95 -- 5th lane of 95 approaching DE-1 -- exit onto DE-1 (or DE-7)
2nd lane of 95 -- 4th lane of 95 approaching DE-1 -- option lane to exit onto DE-1 or to remain on 95
1st lane of 95 -- 3rd lane of 95 approaching DE-1
3rd lane of 295 -- 2nd lane of 95 approaching DE-1
2nd land of 295 -- 1st lane of 95 approaching DE-1
1st lane of 295 -- left lane ends and merges just south of DE-141 entrance



* The 95/495 SB merge remains the same.  495 left lane ends after merge.  495 right lane becomes 1st lane of 95.  Then 3 lanes of 95.  And the flyover ramp from 495 becomes the 5th lane of 95 that forces an exit onto Newport.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 12, 2023, 08:03:38 PM
...Right now, 5 lanes* of SB 95 (combined with 495) approach DE-141 exit.  The 5th lane forces an exit to Newport and the 4th lane allows for either an exit onto the C/D road or to remain on the main lanes.  Let's say we force the 4th lane onto the C/D road, which will leave 3 lanes of 95 in the main lanes.

This is what formerly existed.  DelDOT recently modified the traffic pattern giving 95 South 4 lanes past 141.

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Right now, 3 lanes of 295 SB approach the merge.  The left lane forces an exit onto DE-141 Newport and the right two lanes continue onto the merge.  Let's instead make the left lane not force an exit, so that three lanes of 295 can continue to the merge.

I believe the new overpass allows for 3 lanes.  However, under the current lane structure, 2 lanes continue under 141.  Just as 295 merges with 95, the left lane ends, leaving only 1 thru lane for 295 to continue onto 95.

Because the signage for the ending of the left lane is posted prior to the merge of 295 and 95, those all-too-kind motorists who want to immediately vacate the ending lane rather than staying in it until near the end point wind up creating the effect where 295 only really gets 1 lane merging into 95, as the remaining 1/2 mile or so of the left lane from 295 is often unused.

I'm figuring that DelDOT wants to give motorists that commute to/from Wilmington the wider configuration so they incur less congestion.  In the meantime, the traffic that is coming in from NJ, especially Friday - Sunday, encounters a lot more congestion than they did previously.

And this is after the DRBA spent a lot of money widening 295 to improve traffic flow in their jurisdiction.

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As the main lanes of 95 have been reduced from 4 to 3, there now exists room for 295 to increase from 2 to 3. 

Just to note...I'm not sure if your intention is to increase the number of lanes to 6 on 95 between 141 & 1, because currently there's only 5.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 14, 2023, 03:38:17 PM
(Also for US 13)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-495 SB Exit 1 Ramp to Rt 13 to Close for Overnight Work (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9748&type=Traffic)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATE--I-495 SB Exit 1 Ramp to Rt 13 to Close for Overnight Work (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9763)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: tmoore952 on September 15, 2023, 05:15:09 PM
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Right now, 3 lanes of 295 SB approach the merge.  The left lane forces an exit onto DE-141 Newport and the right two lanes continue onto the merge.  Let's instead make the left lane not force an exit, so that three lanes of 295 can continue to the merge.

I grew up near there. For whatever reason, way back when, it was deemed necessary to provide a ramp from I-295 south to DE 141. I'm not sure how much usage that ramp got then, or gets now.

I also don't think it was possible (at least in the '60s when they built it) to have I-295 merge in to I-95 from the right instead of from the left as currently exists. As I recall the river is not that far north of I-95 there.

Re: 896/279/ and 95 -- I grew up and still have family in Wilmington, and over the years I have been a U of D student, and later when I moved to DC area I was driving through that area to come back to Delaware. I don't do that as much anymore due to advancing age of my Wilmington family members and COVID etc.

If I was coming from Wilmington on I-95, to go to Newark I would get off at DE 273, as westbound it heads straight for Newark.
If I was coming from Baltimore/Washington on I-95, to go to Newark I would get off at MD 279 northbound, it heads straight to Newark. I would also go north on MD 279 to shunkpike.
Going southbound on I-95, I almost never got off at DE 896 unless I was going to the U of D football stadium area or ice arena, or I was shunpikeing (for which I would go north), or I was going south on DE 896 for some reason.
Going southbound on I-95, even if there was no toll, I would probably not get off at MD 279 to go to Newark. That's a lot farther. If there was no toll, that only makes sense if you are staying in Maryland or just barely re-entering Delaware after you get off the exit.

Fixed quote.  -Mark
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 15, 2023, 06:44:37 PM
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Right now, 3 lanes of 295 SB approach the merge.  The left lane forces an exit onto DE-141 Newport and the right two lanes continue onto the merge.  Let's instead make the left lane not force an exit, so that three lanes of 295 can continue to the merge.

I grew up near there. For whatever reason, way back when, it was deemed necessary to provide a ramp from I-295 south to DE 141. I'm not sure how much usage that ramp got then, or gets now.


From observations, it gets a lot of usage.  I've certainly used it numerous times myself going to college from NJ and going to the Newport area when I worked there and to visit people.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 18, 2023, 11:18:28 AM
(For DE 2)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Lane Restrictions on Red Mill Road just off Capitol Trail (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9768&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: tmoore952 on September 18, 2023, 02:41:43 PM
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Right now, 3 lanes of 295 SB approach the merge.  The left lane forces an exit onto DE-141 Newport and the right two lanes continue onto the merge.  Let's instead make the left lane not force an exit, so that three lanes of 295 can continue to the merge.

I grew up near there. For whatever reason, way back when, it was deemed necessary to provide a ramp from I-295 south to DE 141. I'm not sure how much usage that ramp got then, or gets now.


From observations, it gets a lot of usage.  I've certainly used it numerous times myself going to college from NJ and going to the Newport area when I worked there and to visit people.

Growing up in Wilmington, and always approaching DE 141 strictly from I-95 itself, or on local non-interstate roads, that was a ramp I never had a reason to be driven on. or (later on) to drive on myself. I did drive on it once in the '90s when "clinching" that interchange, but that was done purely for that purpose, not for any need.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mrsman on September 20, 2023, 07:00:21 PM
...Right now, 5 lanes* of SB 95 (combined with 495) approach DE-141 exit.  The 5th lane forces an exit to Newport and the 4th lane allows for either an exit onto the C/D road or to remain on the main lanes.  Let's say we force the 4th lane onto the C/D road, which will leave 3 lanes of 95 in the main lanes.

This is what formerly existed.  DelDOT recently modified the traffic pattern giving 95 South 4 lanes past 141.

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Right now, 3 lanes of 295 SB approach the merge.  The left lane forces an exit onto DE-141 Newport and the right two lanes continue onto the merge.  Let's instead make the left lane not force an exit, so that three lanes of 295 can continue to the merge.

I believe the new overpass allows for 3 lanes.  However, under the current lane structure, 2 lanes continue under 141.  Just as 295 merges with 95, the left lane ends, leaving only 1 thru lane for 295 to continue onto 95.

Because the signage for the ending of the left lane is posted prior to the merge of 295 and 95, those all-too-kind motorists who want to immediately vacate the ending lane rather than staying in it until near the end point wind up creating the effect where 295 only really gets 1 lane merging into 95, as the remaining 1/2 mile or so of the left lane from 295 is often unused.

I'm figuring that DelDOT wants to give motorists that commute to/from Wilmington the wider configuration so they incur less congestion.  In the meantime, the traffic that is coming in from NJ, especially Friday - Sunday, encounters a lot more congestion than they did previously.

And this is after the DRBA spent a lot of money widening 295 to improve traffic flow in their jurisdiction.

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As the main lanes of 95 have been reduced from 4 to 3, there now exists room for 295 to increase from 2 to 3. 

Just to note...I'm not sure if your intention is to increase the number of lanes to 6 on 95 between 141 & 1, because currently there's only 5.

Ideally, the wider, the better. But the plan as outlined basically maintains the existing 5 lanes that cross the Christina River (south of DE 141).   This is probably a big constraint that can't be easily fixed, but how the lanes approach that point could be addressed. 

The key problem is that of three lanes coming from 295, only one of which remains a thru lane onto 95 south of the merge.  On weekends, arguably, the heavier traffic load is coming from 295.  My idea was to implement a minimal plan so that at least two lanes of 295 become 2 lanes of 95 south of the merge.

The changes that they made were certainly better than the old configuration, but the problem was that the new configuration favored 95 over 295 to such a great degree.

THe key problem is that ultimately only one lane of 295 ends up as a thru lane on 95 approaching the DE 1 interchange.  That's ultimately a large amount of merging considering 4 lanes coming from the Del Mem Bridge.  Two lanes of 295 need to end up on 95.

So for the 5 lanes crossing at Cristina River, the left two should be from 295.  The right 3 should be from 95.  The current configuration is more like 1 lane from 295 and 4 lanes from 95, which is so greatly imbalanced.

So with the existing construction in place, an easy fix can be had just by way of striping:

Three lanes of 295 approaching.  The left lane will either exit at DE-141 or merge in just a short while later.  This leaves two lanes of 295 in the left most lanes that are separated by barrier.  Instead of having the left of these two lanes merge just south of the end of the barrier, these two left lanes become the two left lanes of the combined 95.

The five lanes of 95 that approach can keep their existing pattern at the DE-141 exit:  3 lanes thru, 1 option lane to thru or C/D, and 1 exiting lane.  This leaves 4 lanes of 95 on the main approach around the DE 141 exit (that is separated from 295 and C/D traffic by barriers).  But at some point in time before the C/D lane ends and merges in, the rightmost of those lanes should end so that traffic will merge in.  THe best location for this is just south of the DE 141 SB overcrossing.  [To some extent this is like the original configuration, but gives a little more time for the 4th lane to merge in and not force all of the 4th lane traffic onto the C/D lane.]  The end result will leave 3 lanes of 95 at the point where the C/D lane begins to merge back in to the main flow of traffic.

The C/D lane remains unchanged.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 21, 2023, 08:48:21 AM
...Right now, 5 lanes* of SB 95 (combined with 495) approach DE-141 exit.  The 5th lane forces an exit to Newport and the 4th lane allows for either an exit onto the C/D road or to remain on the main lanes.  Let's say we force the 4th lane onto the C/D road, which will leave 3 lanes of 95 in the main lanes.

This is what formerly existed.  DelDOT recently modified the traffic pattern giving 95 South 4 lanes past 141.

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Right now, 3 lanes of 295 SB approach the merge.  The left lane forces an exit onto DE-141 Newport and the right two lanes continue onto the merge.  Let's instead make the left lane not force an exit, so that three lanes of 295 can continue to the merge.

I believe the new overpass allows for 3 lanes.  However, under the current lane structure, 2 lanes continue under 141.  Just as 295 merges with 95, the left lane ends, leaving only 1 thru lane for 295 to continue onto 95.

Because the signage for the ending of the left lane is posted prior to the merge of 295 and 95, those all-too-kind motorists who want to immediately vacate the ending lane rather than staying in it until near the end point wind up creating the effect where 295 only really gets 1 lane merging into 95, as the remaining 1/2 mile or so of the left lane from 295 is often unused.

I'm figuring that DelDOT wants to give motorists that commute to/from Wilmington the wider configuration so they incur less congestion.  In the meantime, the traffic that is coming in from NJ, especially Friday - Sunday, encounters a lot more congestion than they did previously.

And this is after the DRBA spent a lot of money widening 295 to improve traffic flow in their jurisdiction.

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As the main lanes of 95 have been reduced from 4 to 3, there now exists room for 295 to increase from 2 to 3. 

Just to note...I'm not sure if your intention is to increase the number of lanes to 6 on 95 between 141 & 1, because currently there's only 5.

Ideally, the wider, the better. But the plan as outlined basically maintains the existing 5 lanes that cross the Christina River (south of DE 141).   This is probably a big constraint that can't be easily fixed, but how the lanes approach that point could be addressed. 

The key problem is that of three lanes coming from 295, only one of which remains a thru lane onto 95 south of the merge.  On weekends, arguably, the heavier traffic load is coming from 295.  My idea was to implement a minimal plan so that at least two lanes of 295 become 2 lanes of 95 south of the merge.

The changes that they made were certainly better than the old configuration, but the problem was that the new configuration favored 95 over 295 to such a great degree.

THe key problem is that ultimately only one lane of 295 ends up as a thru lane on 95 approaching the DE 1 interchange.  That's ultimately a large amount of merging considering 4 lanes coming from the Del Mem Bridge.  Two lanes of 295 need to end up on 95.

So for the 5 lanes crossing at Cristina River, the left two should be from 295.  The right 3 should be from 95.  The current configuration is more like 1 lane from 295 and 4 lanes from 95, which is so greatly imbalanced.

So with the existing construction in place, an easy fix can be had just by way of striping:

Three lanes of 295 approaching.  The left lane will either exit at DE-141 or merge in just a short while later.  This leaves two lanes of 295 in the left most lanes that are separated by barrier.  Instead of having the left of these two lanes merge just south of the end of the barrier, these two left lanes become the two left lanes of the combined 95.

The five lanes of 95 that approach can keep their existing pattern at the DE-141 exit:  3 lanes thru, 1 option lane to thru or C/D, and 1 exiting lane.  This leaves 4 lanes of 95 on the main approach around the DE 141 exit (that is separated from 295 and C/D traffic by barriers).  But at some point in time before the C/D lane ends and merges in, the rightmost of those lanes should end so that traffic will merge in.  THe best location for this is just south of the DE 141 SB overcrossing.  [To some extent this is like the original configuration, but gives a little more time for the 4th lane to merge in and not force all of the 4th lane traffic onto the C/D lane.]  The end result will leave 3 lanes of 95 at the point where the C/D lane begins to merge back in to the main flow of traffic.

The C/D lane remains unchanged.

Given how wildly the traffic loads can swing between I-95 and I-295 for a given time of week, it almost makes the most sense to install express lane gates on the inside lanes for both merging interstates so that DelDOT can toggle which interstate feeds the extra lane to the combined I-95 segment over the river.

There had been talk of a shoulder lane being built over the marsh the next time DelDOT repaved this segment of I-95, but the plans for it have disappeared off their website so I have no idea if they're still considering it. And even then I don't remember the proposed layout well enough, it may have just benefited I-95 further.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mrsman on September 21, 2023, 08:10:33 PM
^^^^^

That gate idea is not a bad one.  THere could certaily be something to help direct the flow of traffic better.  It means that of the two lanes from 295, the right lane either merges with the left lane (weekdays) or merges into the main lanes (weekedns) when the left lane of 95 is forced to merge over.  The best reversible merging gates that I have seen are in Chicago at the Ontario St entrance to 90/94.  A two lane ramp that normally merges into one lane with the left lane ending into the right lane, but when the reversible lanes are open westbound, the left lane could also use that ramp (which makes it possible to avoid the merge, with the left lane going to reversible lanes and the right lane continuing onto the main lanes of 90/94.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8925746,-87.6491439,3a,75y,280.53h,90.58t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sxJCXu286dnYt5FMgkQsV5Q!2e0!5s20210801T000000!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu


There's even an electic sign that changes further back:

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8924803,-87.6462732,3a,75y,291.25h,74.48t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sbF8ard0LI5DXn2gupseLEQ!2e0!5s20180801T000000!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8925522,-87.6462531,3a,75y,291.25h,74.48t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sdxImD2HPA5Wv7LItIkWMIA!2e0!5s20190801T000000!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu
 



How is traffic from Wilmington on weekday afternoons?  My experience is mainly 295 at the end of a weekend, but I don't know the regular rush hour flows.

What is odd to me is that 95 itself is only 2 lanes SB thru Downtwon Wilmington.  It gets a third lane from MLK and maintains the three lanes through the merge with 495, not forcing any of its lanes to merge onto 295 or 141, for that matter.  It is far different from 495 which arguably is designed to be the main route from Philadelphia (most signs encouraging thru traffic to use 495 instead of 95) and is at least 3 lanes through most of the port area.  The left of those forces an exit onto 295 and the remaining two have to merge with each other when 495 merges with 95.  This also seems harsh for the traffic from 495 having to make more merges than 95 traffic.  It would seem easier to somehow get 95 back to two lanes as it approaches 495, since it is 3 lanes for a much smaller distance.



Ideally, it would seem as each major freeway approaches with 3 lanes SB, that one lane should be forced to exit and the other two should be allowed to remain on the main lanes.  (I know that we only have 5 lanes to work with, but bear with me.)  This means that 495 loses its left lane to 295, and the remaining two lanes become the left lanes of 95 at the 495/95 merge.  Likewise, 95 should lose its left lane to 295, and the remaining two lanes become lanes 3 and 4 at the 495/95 merge.  The flyover from 495 becomes the 5th lane.

Then, at this point, the 5th lane forces an exit onto DE-141.  The 4th lane will allow an exit onto DE-141 C/D road or to continue on 95.  But the 4th lane does not continue forever.  It will just have a little more distance to merge in to the other lanes.*  By the time the roadway goes under the DE-141 SB overcrossing, the roadway is now reduced to 3 lanes.  These 3 lanes will be the right 3 lanes of 95 as it approaches the DE-1 exit.

Meanwhile, 295 approaches with 3 lanes.  THe left lane exits onto 141 and the remaining two continue onto 95 on the left side of the barrier.  These two lanes will not merge to each other but continue as the left two lanes of 95 all the way into MD.

It seems really backward that 95 lanes, arguably the least througput through the area with only two lanes through Downtown Wilmington, is forced to make the fewest merges to stay on 95 to the DE-1 exit.  Yes, I know its the number, but most thru traffic uses 295 or 495.  Its also more likely that 95 traffic will be exiting sooner, as 295 and 495 are more likely to stay onwards for long distance.



*An example of a similar configuration exists near me at College Park, MD.  THere, the inner loop of the Beltway has 4 lanes with the right lane forced onto the C/D lanes for US 1 exit and the 3rd lane as an option lane.  The 3rd lane either merges quickly with the other two lanes as 495 joins 95 in College Park or traffic from there can stay on the C/D lane and merge with traffic south of the big 95/495 merger.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0211471,-76.9455092,3a,75y,82.74h,85.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOgpB_ERf-y7C9DSP2LdNtA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu



Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 22, 2023, 12:01:11 PM
(For I-95 and DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/Rt 896 Interchange--Upcoming Lane and Ramp Closures  (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9779)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: tmoore952 on September 22, 2023, 02:19:30 PM
What is odd to me is that 95 itself is only 2 lanes SB thru Downtwon Wilmington.  It gets a third lane from MLK and maintains the three lanes through the merge with 495, not forcing any of its lanes to merge onto 295 or 141, for that matter.  It is far different from 495 which arguably is designed to be the main route from Philadelphia (most signs encouraging thru traffic to use 495 instead of 95) and is at least 3 lanes through most of the port area.  The left of those forces an exit onto 295 and the remaining two have to merge with each other when 495 merges with 95.  This also seems harsh for the traffic from 495 having to make more merges than 95 traffic.  It would seem easier to somehow get 95 back to two lanes as it approaches 495, since it is 3 lanes for a much smaller distance.

Historically, the portion of I-95 through downtown Wilmington was opened between Adams Street and Jackson Street around 1968. Black neighborhoods were destroyed for its construction; that was going on throughout the '60s. The MLK assassination happened around the same time I-95 was being completed, and that didn't help matters. I think they were limited to going two lanes in each direction through there, to keep it between those two blocks (between Adams St. and Jackson St.). I heard from my father and siblings that it was very controversial (I was a babe in arms in 1968). The MLK assassination sparked a riot that caused the National Guard to be activated. Below, I've listed locations where you can get more info about all of this.

The aftereffect of the MLK assassination in Wilmington DE, and history of I-95 in Delaware both have their own Wikipedia pages and are each very interesting reads, at least to me, as a native Wilmingonian. Not sure if I am allowed to post links but if you are interested look up "Wilmington Riot of 1968" and "Interstate 95 in Delaware". The I-95 one gives a timeline of what was built when.

From what I have read, before any of these roads were built, it seems like I-95 was originally routed along the Delaware River (where I-495 is). But what is now I-95 was built about 8 or 9 years before I-495 was. I remember when I-495 opened, as you came NB at the I-95/I-295/I-495 interchange, that I-495 was the route signed for Philadelphia. I do not ever remember I-95 NB being signed for Philadelphia (at the I-95/I-295/I-495 interchange), even in the days before I-495 opened. Philadelphia did not appear as a control city until you got to downtown Wilmington.

In 1980 or so, when I-95 was being rehabbed through Wilmington (in particular the long viaduct to the south of Wilmington), that stretch was temporarily numbered I-895, while what is now I-495 was temporarily numbered I-95. I remember at some point that the renumbering was suggested to be made permanent, but the businesses near the older I-95 howled.

Finally, because the roads were not built at the same time, what is now where I-495 SB merges onto I-95 SB was a very late addition to that interchange, and there may have been space issues. That's not to say it can't be redesigned, but there is so much traffic through there it would cause a lot of short term pain.

I'm just trying to provide some historical perspective which might shed some light as to why things are the way they are there.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 22, 2023, 03:47:04 PM
Ultimately, the Churchman's Marsh area of 95 South in Delaware can be a huge chokepoint.  North of 141, there's 3 lanes from 95, 3 lanes from 495, and 4 lanes from 295.  That's 10 lanes, that all need to somehow narrow down to 5 lanes on 95 south of 141. 

I-495 loses one where it exits onto 295 North, then the left lane ends after meeting up with 95, so we're down to 8 lanes merging into 5.  295 South loses 1 at the 13/40 exit, then another at the 141 exit, then another as it merges with 95, giving us the remaining 5 lanes.

Pulling up DelDOT's traffic count page again:  https://deldot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=4f76a1fa5b5c493cb3e1fad44a50dad1 , if you zoom in on the 95/295/495 interchange area, the first thing that's notable is that the counts are for both directions, so roughly divide them in half for a single direction.  It shows I-95 AADT of 98k, and I-295 Traffic of 96k just before the merge.  Since these appear to be 2 way counts, cut them in half so 95 traffic is roughly 49k and 295 is 48k.  Since the counts are probably before the 141 interchange, some traffic will be exiting there before the 95/295 merge.  However, DelDOT has allocated 4 thru lanes to 95, and 1 thru lane to 295, after the 95/295 merge, even though traffic counts are fairly similar on both roadways at this point.  No wonder why congestion is significantly worse on 295 approaching 95.

Now, granted, these aren't exact figures because of omitted data including ramp data, I don't know the time period of when the counts occurred, and of course don't have the breakdown of weekday vs weekend, summer vs winter, etc.  But there's some fairly reasonable numbers here that show that DelDOT is screwing with traffic that is mainly coming from NJ. 

Very cynical me even wonders if Delaware is intentionally trying to create congestion on 295 in hopes that GPSs will register a quicker way by crossing a bridge into PA then go thru Delaware, using either 95 or 495, to "show off" more of Delaware to passing motorists in hopes that they'll stop and visit.

There had been talk of a shoulder lane being built over the marsh the next time DelDOT repaved this segment of I-95, but the plans for it have disappeared off their website so I have no idea if they're still considering it. And even then I don't remember the proposed layout well enough, it may have just benefited I-95 further.

I had noticed discussion of this went quiet.  I could see Delaware State Police and fire companies wanting those shoulders available without traffic riding on them to get to incidents and to move crashes onto them and dissuaded DelDOT from using them as occasional travel lanes.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 23, 2023, 12:21:24 AM
(For DE 36) Bridge 3-927 on S036 Cedar Beach Road Virtual Workshop (https://de.gov/BR3927)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on September 24, 2023, 04:10:05 PM
Ultimately, the Churchman's Marsh area of 95 South in Delaware can be a huge chokepoint.  North of 141, there's 3 lanes from 95, 3 lanes from 495, and 4 lanes from 295.  That's 10 lanes, that all need to somehow narrow down to 5 lanes on 95 south of 141. 

I-495 loses one where it exits onto 295 North, then the left lane ends after meeting up with 95, so we're down to 8 lanes merging into 5.  295 South loses 1 at the 13/40 exit, then another at the 141 exit, then another as it merges with 95, giving us the remaining 5 lanes.

Pulling up DelDOT's traffic count page again:  https://deldot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=4f76a1fa5b5c493cb3e1fad44a50dad1 , if you zoom in on the 95/295/495 interchange area, the first thing that's notable is that the counts are for both directions, so roughly divide them in half for a single direction.  It shows I-95 AADT of 98k, and I-295 Traffic of 96k just before the merge.  Since these appear to be 2 way counts, cut them in half so 95 traffic is roughly 49k and 295 is 48k.  Since the counts are probably before the 141 interchange, some traffic will be exiting there before the 95/295 merge.  However, DelDOT has allocated 4 thru lanes to 95, and 1 thru lane to 295, after the 95/295 merge, even though traffic counts are fairly similar on both roadways at this point.  No wonder why congestion is significantly worse on 295 approaching 95.

Now, granted, these aren't exact figures because of omitted data including ramp data, I don't know the time period of when the counts occurred, and of course don't have the breakdown of weekday vs weekend, summer vs winter, etc.  But there's some fairly reasonable numbers here that show that DelDOT is screwing with traffic that is mainly coming from NJ. 

Very cynical me even wonders if Delaware is intentionally trying to create congestion on 295 in hopes that GPSs will register a quicker way by crossing a bridge into PA then go thru Delaware, using either 95 or 495, to "show off" more of Delaware to passing motorists in hopes that they'll stop and visit.

There had been talk of a shoulder lane being built over the marsh the next time DelDOT repaved this segment of I-95, but the plans for it have disappeared off their website so I have no idea if they're still considering it. And even then I don't remember the proposed layout well enough, it may have just benefited I-95 further.

I had noticed discussion of this went quiet.  I could see Delaware State Police and fire companies wanting those shoulders available without traffic riding on them to get to incidents and to move crashes onto them and dissuaded DelDOT from using them as occasional travel lanes.

Does anyone know the reason why the 295 Ramp just wasn't built on the right? I can assume it was probably cost savings at that time, but that would have eliminated majority of the merging issues on that side, for the left at least.

Also I could see first responders having an issue with the shoulder if it was used 24/7, however it was going to be a temporary lane that would allow traffic during the busiest times, and close during off times.

And to add to that if traffic flow improved, there would be no delay in response times.



Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 25, 2023, 10:02:23 AM
Does anyone know the reason why the 295 Ramp just wasn't built on the right? I can assume it was probably cost savings at that time, but that would have eliminated majority of the merging issues on that side, for the left at least.

Given I-295 serves more regional traffic, I'd imagine forcing that regional traffic to conflict even more with local traffic on the right side of I-95 coming from DE 141 and going to DE 1, 273, etc. would make for a bigger mess. I don't know if this was the line of thinking back in the '60s when this was built, or if it was just a matter of simplifying the already convoluted interchange.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: tmoore952 on September 25, 2023, 12:57:13 PM
Does anyone know the reason why the 295 Ramp just wasn't built on the right? I can assume it was probably cost savings at that time, but that would have eliminated majority of the merging issues on that side, for the left at least.

Given I-295 serves more regional traffic, I'd imagine forcing that regional traffic to conflict even more with local traffic on the right side of I-95 coming from DE 141 and going to DE 1, 273, etc. would make for a bigger mess. I don't know if this was the line of thinking back in the '60s when this was built, or if it was just a matter of simplifying the already convoluted interchange.

DE 1 intersecting with I-95 did not exist in the '60s. that came much later.
At that time, that interchange was just a "regular one" for DE 7.
Christiana Mall at that interchange did not come along until 1978.

The future mushrooming of that DE 1/DE 7 interchange was not known. Southbound traffic back then would get off at US 13/US 40 interchange further east (which at times was also southbound US 301). The growth in traffic in general was not adequately anticipated in the '60s (but that could probably be said for many places).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 25, 2023, 01:02:44 PM
Does anyone know the reason why the 295 Ramp just wasn't built on the right? I can assume it was probably cost savings at that time, but that would have eliminated majority of the merging issues on that side, for the left at least.

Given I-295 serves more regional traffic, I'd imagine forcing that regional traffic to conflict even more with local traffic on the right side of I-95 coming from DE 141 and going to DE 1, 273, etc. would make for a bigger mess. I don't know if this was the line of thinking back in the '60s when this was built, or if it was just a matter of simplifying the already convoluted interchange.

Especially in the Northeast, left-sided ramps were relatively more common when the interstate highway system was built.  This interchange also has DE 141 going thru it further compounding the 'normal' preference of all ramps going to the right. 

There's actually a significant number of left-sided ramps, either exits or entrances at the full interchange, including DE 141:

On-ramps:
I-295 South into I-95 South
I-295 South into I-95 North
I-495 South into I-95 South
I-95/495 South into I-295 North
DE 141 South to I-95 North
DE 141 North to I-95 North

Off-ramps:
I-95 South to I-295 North
I-495 South to I-295 North
I-295 South to DE 141 North
DE 141 South to I-95 North
DE 141 North to I-95 North (the infamous left-sided reverse cloverleaf ramp)

As TMoore mentioned, further down, DE 1 near 95, nor the Christiana Mall, didn't exist when the system was built, and it's doubtful there was any consideration in the amount of traffic that area was going to receive years later and the weaving that would become necessary.  Further north, I-95 wasn't built yet in many areas, and still had I-95 planned on its original routing from Exit 10 of the NJ Turnpike thru central Jersey.

BTW, if you look up this interchange area on www.historicaerials.com , you'll see how the Christiana River was significantly rerouted in the area when the interchange was built.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 25, 2023, 02:32:27 PM
Does anyone know the reason why the 295 Ramp just wasn't built on the right? I can assume it was probably cost savings at that time, but that would have eliminated majority of the merging issues on that side, for the left at least.

Given I-295 serves more regional traffic, I'd imagine forcing that regional traffic to conflict even more with local traffic on the right side of I-95 coming from DE 141 and going to DE 1, 273, etc. would make for a bigger mess. I don't know if this was the line of thinking back in the '60s when this was built, or if it was just a matter of simplifying the already convoluted interchange.

DE 1 intersecting with I-95 did not exist in the '60s. that came much later.
At that time, that interchange was just a "regular one" for DE 7.
Christiana Mall at that interchange did not come along until 1978.

The future mushrooming of that DE 1/DE 7 interchange was not known. Southbound traffic back then would get off at US 13/US 40 interchange further east (which at times was also southbound US 301). The growth in traffic in general was not adequately anticipated in the '60s (but that could probably be said for many places).

Oh duh, yeah that's a good point.

BTW, if you look up this interchange area on www.historicaerials.com , you'll see how the Christiana River was significantly rerouted in the area when the interchange was built.

And how there used to be an I-495 SB to I-95 NB ramp included in the interchange's original design that seemed to only last <10 years in service before being replaced by the I-495 to DE 141 ramp. I often wonder what the thinking was in including this originally, perhaps there were concerns the Port of Wilmington would need the access?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: tmoore952 on September 25, 2023, 03:53:06 PM
And how there used to be an I-495 SB to I-95 NB ramp included in the interchange's original design that seemed to only last <10 years in service before being replaced by the I-495 to DE 141 ramp. I often wonder what the thinking was in including this originally, perhaps there were concerns the Port of Wilmington would need the access?

As mentioned several times already, I lived in the area and was always fascinated by that whole interchange. Usually when I was traversing it as a kid (as a passenger, which allowed me to look around in ways that drivers cannot), it was on I-95 NB and SB.

I do remember us having a road map of the Wilmington area, which showed this interchange in detail, and it showed a ramp from I-495 SB to I-95 NB. A very short ramp.

I also remember being driven by there and seeing what looked like a layout of a ramp from I-495 SB to I-95 NB, in the same shape and location as what was shown on the aforementioned map. I imagine this can be seen on historical overheads of the area (if any exist in the timeframe of early 70s to mid 80s). But I do not believe it was ever finished and opened to traffic (it was never "in service").

As you mention, later the I-495 SB to DE 141 ramp was built here instead. I am sure this was done to eliminate the several lane changes that was necessary for that movement before this ramp was built, due to the left merge of I-495 S to I-95 S.

As to why an I-495 SB to I-95 NB ramp might have been considered originally, there was (and is) no way to get from I-495 to downtown Wilmington without driving on local roads. This ramp would have allowed that to happen (although with some extra miles driven).

That would seem to beg the question though, was there an I-95 SB to I-495 NB ramp ever considered? I "never" saw that on any map, and that would have been a much more difficult ramp to construct. That movement can be (very indirectly) performed by using the DE 141 exit/entrance ramps. Recall also that I-495 was a latecomer to this interchange.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on September 25, 2023, 08:23:57 PM
Yes, that part of that spaghetti bowl was a landmark on my trips (as a passenger) to the Delaware beaches when I was growing up in Boothwyn, PA.  Pre I-495, we'd go by way of 95, 295, and 13/40 to the split where 84 Lumber is now, then down 13.
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I remember the unused ramp from sb 495 to nb 95.  The concrete had been poured as of 1970 per Historic Aerials, but unopened 495 (northbound) dead ended just past its bridge over the (now railtrailed) ex-PRR line to New Castle that ran behind Delaware State Hospital and underneath the 295/13/40 interchange. 


Perhaps 495 was on the drawing board at DelDOT (or its predecessor) in 1970 but was awaiting funding for its completion.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 29, 2023, 09:14:12 AM
Plans for the SR 896 / Boyd's Corner Road widening project (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T200712002) from a workshop held the other week have been posted. The project calls for widening from Cedar Lane Road to US 13 and converts 3 recently built neighborhood entrances and the intersection with Shallcross Lake Road into 4 multi-lane roundabouts.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 29, 2023, 10:15:03 AM
(For I-95 and DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/896 Improvements--Upcoming Lane and Ramp Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9793)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: tmoore952 on September 29, 2023, 04:35:10 PM
I noticed on the "Interstate 95 in Delaware" Wikipedia page that "In April 2021, Wilmington city council unanimously approved backing a plan for constructing an urban park over I-95 in the city", guessing similar to what was done in Boston and downtown Philadelphia. That's now 2 1/2 years ago, not sure what has transpired since then.

I mentioned in an earlier post that building I-95 through downtown Wilmington was very divisive in the 1960s because of the neighborhoods destroyed for it to be built (Washington DC must have gotten at least some of its cue from what happened in Wilmington; I don't know as much about what happened in Boston).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: tmoore952 on September 29, 2023, 04:45:18 PM
Yes, that part of that spaghetti bowl was a landmark on my trips (as a passenger) to the Delaware beaches when I was growing up in Boothwyn, PA.  Pre I-495, we'd go by way of 95, 295, and 13/40 to the split where 84 Lumber is now, then down 13.

Interesting, when we were coming from north of Wilmington (Fairfax to be specific), to go that way we took 95 down to 141 south to 13/40 south. My parents did not like taking I-295 to get to 13/40 south. IIRC, when on I-295 after coming from I-95 S, in a short distance one had to cut across the lanes that were coming from I-95 N to get to that exit. When I was young, I always wished they would do that so I could see all the signs for NJ Turnpike/NY, and did not realize why they didn't do that until much later when I drove that way myself.

Unlike you, we went down I-95 always, both before and after I-495 was there. But you were right near where I-495 started.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on September 29, 2023, 06:30:29 PM
I noticed on the "Interstate 95 in Delaware" Wikipedia page that "In April 2021, Wilmington city council unanimously approved backing a plan for constructing an urban park over I-95 in the city", guessing similar to what was done in Boston and downtown Philadelphia. That's now 2 1/2 years ago, not sure what has transpired since then.

I mentioned in an earlier post that building I-95 through downtown Wilmington was very divisive in the 1960s because of the neighborhoods destroyed for it to be built (Washington DC must have gotten at least some of its cue from what happened in Wilmington; I don't know as much about what happened in Boston).

A feasibility study cosponsored by DelDOT, WILMAPCO, and Wilmington itself wrapped up earlier this year, you can see the results here: http://www.wilmapco.org/i95cap/ (http://www.wilmapco.org/i95cap/)

Unfortunately it seems the project has hit the inevitable brick wall that is its bill. (https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/2023/06/14/i95-park-project-wilmington-interstate-lacks-money/70303819007/) The article indicates it'll run $400m and that the state's trying to cover a significant chunk of it through federal grants.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 30, 2023, 07:11:47 PM
I noticed on the "Interstate 95 in Delaware" Wikipedia page that "In April 2021, Wilmington city council unanimously approved backing a plan for constructing an urban park over I-95 in the city", guessing similar to what was done in Boston and downtown Philadelphia. That's now 2 1/2 years ago, not sure what has transpired since then.

I mentioned in an earlier post that building I-95 through downtown Wilmington was very divisive in the 1960s because of the neighborhoods destroyed for it to be built (Washington DC must have gotten at least some of its cue from what happened in Wilmington; I don't know as much about what happened in Boston).

A feasibility study cosponsored by DelDOT, WILMAPCO, and Wilmington itself wrapped up earlier this year, you can see the results here: http://www.wilmapco.org/i95cap/ (http://www.wilmapco.org/i95cap/)

Unfortunately it seems the project has hit the inevitable brick wall that is its bill. (https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/2023/06/14/i95-park-project-wilmington-interstate-lacks-money/70303819007/) The article indicates it'll run $400m and that the state's trying to cover a significant chunk of it through federal grants.

Per that article:

"President Joe Biden’s infrastructure bill allocated $1 billion to reconnect communities divided by highways and other roads. Proponents of the I-95 cap in Wilmington are confident this project meets the standards necessary to obtain grant money but acknowledged the federal grant process is extremely competitive. Even if the grant were awarded, it covers only 50% of costs, leaving the state to find a way to pay for the rest."

Based on the article, the project could receive $200 million.  Even with the President being a state resident, they're not going to award 1/5th of the available money to a medium size city that the state is constantly trying to get the thru-traffic to avoid.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on October 01, 2023, 03:33:12 PM
I noticed on the "Interstate 95 in Delaware" Wikipedia page that "In April 2021, Wilmington city council unanimously approved backing a plan for constructing an urban park over I-95 in the city", guessing similar to what was done in Boston and downtown Philadelphia. That's now 2 1/2 years ago, not sure what has transpired since then.

I mentioned in an earlier post that building I-95 through downtown Wilmington was very divisive in the 1960s because of the neighborhoods destroyed for it to be built (Washington DC must have gotten at least some of its cue from what happened in Wilmington; I don't know as much about what happened in Boston).

A feasibility study cosponsored by DelDOT, WILMAPCO, and Wilmington itself wrapped up earlier this year, you can see the results here: http://www.wilmapco.org/i95cap/ (http://www.wilmapco.org/i95cap/)

Unfortunately it seems the project has hit the inevitable brick wall that is its bill. (https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/2023/06/14/i95-park-project-wilmington-interstate-lacks-money/70303819007/) The article indicates it'll run $400m and that the state's trying to cover a significant chunk of it through federal grants.

Per that article:

"President Joe Biden’s infrastructure bill allocated $1 billion to reconnect communities divided by highways and other roads. Proponents of the I-95 cap in Wilmington are confident this project meets the standards necessary to obtain grant money but acknowledged the federal grant process is extremely competitive. Even if the grant were awarded, it covers only 50% of costs, leaving the state to find a way to pay for the rest."

Based on the article, the project could receive $200 million.  Even with the President being a state resident, they're not going to award 1/5th of the available money to a medium size city that the state is constantly trying to get the thru-traffic to avoid.
They may receive less than 50%. States will look for multiple funding sources for projects and take whatever they can get, not necessarily all-or-nothing.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 02, 2023, 10:03:21 AM
(For DE 4)  SR 4 and Harmony Road Intersection Improvements (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=17469)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 02, 2023, 10:23:50 AM
I noticed on the "Interstate 95 in Delaware" Wikipedia page that "In April 2021, Wilmington city council unanimously approved backing a plan for constructing an urban park over I-95 in the city", guessing similar to what was done in Boston and downtown Philadelphia. That's now 2 1/2 years ago, not sure what has transpired since then.

I mentioned in an earlier post that building I-95 through downtown Wilmington was very divisive in the 1960s because of the neighborhoods destroyed for it to be built (Washington DC must have gotten at least some of its cue from what happened in Wilmington; I don't know as much about what happened in Boston).

A feasibility study cosponsored by DelDOT, WILMAPCO, and Wilmington itself wrapped up earlier this year, you can see the results here: http://www.wilmapco.org/i95cap/ (http://www.wilmapco.org/i95cap/)

Unfortunately it seems the project has hit the inevitable brick wall that is its bill. (https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/2023/06/14/i95-park-project-wilmington-interstate-lacks-money/70303819007/) The article indicates it'll run $400m and that the state's trying to cover a significant chunk of it through federal grants.

Per that article:

"President Joe Biden’s infrastructure bill allocated $1 billion to reconnect communities divided by highways and other roads. Proponents of the I-95 cap in Wilmington are confident this project meets the standards necessary to obtain grant money but acknowledged the federal grant process is extremely competitive. Even if the grant were awarded, it covers only 50% of costs, leaving the state to find a way to pay for the rest."

Based on the article, the project could receive $200 million.  Even with the President being a state resident, they're not going to award 1/5th of the available money to a medium size city that the state is constantly trying to get the thru-traffic to avoid.
They may receive less than 50%. States will look for multiple funding sources for projects and take whatever they can get, not necessarily all-or-nothing.

Yeah, I meant to type "no more than".

Delaware may try to secure whatever funding they can get, but their actions seem to show that they aren't prioritizing this project at this point.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: mrsman on October 03, 2023, 08:49:34 AM
Ultimately, the Churchman's Marsh area of 95 South in Delaware can be a huge chokepoint.  North of 141, there's 3 lanes from 95, 3 lanes from 495, and 4 lanes from 295.  That's 10 lanes, that all need to somehow narrow down to 5 lanes on 95 south of 141. 

I-495 loses one where it exits onto 295 North, then the left lane ends after meeting up with 95, so we're down to 8 lanes merging into 5.  295 South loses 1 at the 13/40 exit, then another at the 141 exit, then another as it merges with 95, giving us the remaining 5 lanes.

Pulling up DelDOT's traffic count page again:  https://deldot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=4f76a1fa5b5c493cb3e1fad44a50dad1 , if you zoom in on the 95/295/495 interchange area, the first thing that's notable is that the counts are for both directions, so roughly divide them in half for a single direction.  It shows I-95 AADT of 98k, and I-295 Traffic of 96k just before the merge.  Since these appear to be 2 way counts, cut them in half so 95 traffic is roughly 49k and 295 is 48k.  Since the counts are probably before the 141 interchange, some traffic will be exiting there before the 95/295 merge.  However, DelDOT has allocated 4 thru lanes to 95, and 1 thru lane to 295, after the 95/295 merge, even though traffic counts are fairly similar on both roadways at this point.  No wonder why congestion is significantly worse on 295 approaching 95.

Now, granted, these aren't exact figures because of omitted data including ramp data, I don't know the time period of when the counts occurred, and of course don't have the breakdown of weekday vs weekend, summer vs winter, etc.  But there's some fairly reasonable numbers here that show that DelDOT is screwing with traffic that is mainly coming from NJ. 



This basically sums it up.  Even though traffic counts of the combined 95/495 and 295 are roughly equal, all of 295 traffic has to be shrunk down to only one thru lane, whereas the d95/495 traffic gets 4 thru lanes.  Ideally, of course, it should be two and three. 

And if one were to say that the rightmost lane doesn't count since it forces an exit to DE-1, then the split in traffic should be two and two.  Of the four lanes that "survive" leading to the MD border, two of which should be from 295 and two of which should be from 95/495.  Based on traffic counts it makes sense.  But since DE is paying for it, More of DE traffic is coming from 95/495 so that is the preferred movement, unfortunately.

And things may be even worse if De Mem Bridge becomes all electronic tolling.  4 lanes of bridge traffic (sourced from the combination of NJTP and 295 in NJ, which certainly requires 4 lanes minimum), unadulterated by the toll plaza is forced in a relatively short time into only one thru lane.  It simply doesn't work.


IMO, the easiest fix, based on what is currently there, is to simply end the right lane of the combined 95/495 thru lanes, 4->3 as the roadway passes under DE-141.  The 4th lane traffic will have to merge left.  This will allow 2 lanes of 295 to become the 2 left lanes south of the junction.  And the remaining 3 lanes are sourced from 95/495, but all of that traffic has several opportunities to merge with each other to become 3 lanes far more smoothly.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 06, 2023, 11:06:04 AM
(For I-95 and DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/Rt 896 Improvements--Upcoming Lane and Ramp Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9802)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 13, 2023, 10:33:51 AM
(For I-95 and DE 896) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/Rt 896 Interchange--Upcoming Lane and Ramp Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9815)

(For DE 36)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Kent and Sussex County - Road Closure of Cedar Beach Road between Beaver Dam Road and Sapp Road (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9816)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 17, 2023, 03:46:04 PM
(For DE 92)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Lane Restrictions on Naamans Road at the Former Tri State Mall Entrance (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9818)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 19, 2023, 02:02:22 PM
(Mainly for DE 202 and US 13 BUS (Wilmington)) Old Brandywine Village - Streetscape Improvements, Phase 2 Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=17529)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: rover on October 20, 2023, 11:31:28 PM
Ultimately, the Churchman's Marsh area of 95 South in Delaware can be a huge chokepoint.  North of 141, there's 3 lanes from 95, 3 lanes from 495, and 4 lanes from 295.  That's 10 lanes, that all need to somehow narrow down to 5 lanes on 95 south of 141. 

I-495 loses one where it exits onto 295 North, then the left lane ends after meeting up with 95, so we're down to 8 lanes merging into 5.  295 South loses 1 at the 13/40 exit, then another at the 141 exit, then another as it merges with 95, giving us the remaining 5 lanes.

Pulling up DelDOT's traffic count page again:  https://deldot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=4f76a1fa5b5c493cb3e1fad44a50dad1 , if you zoom in on the 95/295/495 interchange area, the first thing that's notable is that the counts are for both directions, so roughly divide them in half for a single direction.  It shows I-95 AADT of 98k, and I-295 Traffic of 96k just before the merge.  Since these appear to be 2 way counts, cut them in half so 95 traffic is roughly 49k and 295 is 48k.  Since the counts are probably before the 141 interchange, some traffic will be exiting there before the 95/295 merge.  However, DelDOT has allocated 4 thru lanes to 95, and 1 thru lane to 295, after the 95/295 merge, even though traffic counts are fairly similar on both roadways at this point.  No wonder why congestion is significantly worse on 295 approaching 95.

Now, granted, these aren't exact figures because of omitted data including ramp data, I don't know the time period of when the counts occurred, and of course don't have the breakdown of weekday vs weekend, summer vs winter, etc.  But there's some fairly reasonable numbers here that show that DelDOT is screwing with traffic that is mainly coming from NJ. 



This basically sums it up.  Even though traffic counts of the combined 95/495 and 295 are roughly equal, all of 295 traffic has to be shrunk down to only one thru lane, whereas the d95/495 traffic gets 4 thru lanes.  Ideally, of course, it should be two and three. 

And if one were to say that the rightmost lane doesn't count since it forces an exit to DE-1, then the split in traffic should be two and two.  Of the four lanes that "survive" leading to the MD border, two of which should be from 295 and two of which should be from 95/495.  Based on traffic counts it makes sense.  But since DE is paying for it, More of DE traffic is coming from 95/495 so that is the preferred movement, unfortunately.

And things may be even worse if De Mem Bridge becomes all electronic tolling.  4 lanes of bridge traffic (sourced from the combination of NJTP and 295 in NJ, which certainly requires 4 lanes minimum), unadulterated by the toll plaza is forced in a relatively short time into only one thru lane.  It simply doesn't work.


IMO, the easiest fix, based on what is currently there, is to simply end the right lane of the combined 95/495 thru lanes, 4->3 as the roadway passes under DE-141.  The 4th lane traffic will have to merge left.  This will allow 2 lanes of 295 to become the 2 left lanes south of the junction.  And the remaining 3 lanes are sourced from 95/495, but all of that traffic has several opportunities to merge with each other to become 3 lanes far more smoothly.

I am of the view the other big issue is the weaving of 295 to DE1.
I think it would be best to have it so that where 295 and 95 merge SB that the road splits with 3 thru lanes and 3 C/D lanes like what VA did at RT 17 to RT 3 in Fredericksburg.  Ultimately this is what is needed.
If DE is trying to give preference to Wilmington commuters they are missing the point as they are short-changing DE beach tourism traffic.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 23, 2023, 02:51:45 PM
(For DE 1, DE 7, and DE 273) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Lane Restrictions on SB Route 1 Over Route 273 (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9826&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 24, 2023, 03:18:00 PM
(For US 202)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - UPDATE--Lane Restriction on the Ramp from SB Rt 202 onto SB I-95 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9827)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 25, 2023, 12:05:33 PM
(For DE 1D)  TRAFFIC ALERT - Sussex County - Closure of Plantation Road (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9829)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on October 26, 2023, 02:48:52 PM
Workshop information for an intersection improvements project at SR 4 & Harmony Road got posted today (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202111601). Changes include an extra NB thru lane, an extra WB left turn lane, removal of the SB left turn into Omega Shopping Center, and conversion of three of the intersection's corners into "protected intersection quadrants," presumably with right turn signals to boot. The crash data they included in the presentation didn't indicate a problem with pedestrian collisions, though I guess given the growing bike infrastructure along the corridor they're looking to get ahead of any potential problems.

(https://img001.prntscr.com/file/img001/RcDrvBjrQHmxxTjjjk40hA.png)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on October 26, 2023, 07:24:29 PM
Is Elsmere a control city now, in between Newport and Fairfax on 141?  One sign that I go past on my commute, in Newport, was recently changed to "DE-141 north, Elsmere".
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Dough4872 on October 26, 2023, 10:33:01 PM
Is Elsmere a control city now, in between Newport and Fairfax on 141?  One sign that I go past on my commute, in Newport, was recently changed to "DE-141 north, Elsmere".

DE 141 doesn’t go directly to Elsmere, but it does have access to it via the DE 2 interchange. Prices Corner might be a better control city or should have just left it as Fairfax.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 27, 2023, 12:01:11 PM
(For DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/Rt 896 Interchange--Upcoming Lane and Ramp Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9834)

(For US 202) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95 NB at the Route 202 Off Ramp (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9836)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 03, 2023, 08:59:01 AM
(For I-495)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Ramp Closure Coming for Bridge Deck Repair (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9847)

(For DE 299)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Rt 299 Traffic Shift and a New Traffic Signal (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9848)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Dough4872 on November 10, 2023, 09:46:23 PM
https://www.wboc.com/news/neighbors-seek-to-remove-plantation-from-lewes-road-name/article_d54d2392-8034-11ee-b3a7-834d682604f1.html looks like some people want to change the name of Plantation Road (DE 1D) in Sussex County
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: tmoore952 on November 10, 2023, 11:44:14 PM
Is Elsmere a control city now, in between Newport and Fairfax on 141?  One sign that I go past on my commute, in Newport, was recently changed to "DE-141 north, Elsmere".

DE 141 doesn’t go directly to Elsmere, but it does have access to it via the DE 2 interchange. Prices Corner might be a better control city or should have just left it as Fairfax.

I always felt the control city should be Greenville.

I grew up in the Fairfax development. I don't believe it is an incorporated area. I'm not sure Prices Corner is incorporated either.
 But when I tell people in other states where I grew up, I either say "north of Wilmington" (which is vague), "Fairfax", or "Talleyville".
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on November 11, 2023, 09:29:38 AM
Now that you mention it, Greenville would make more sense as a control city.  And no, Prices Corner and Fairfax are not incorporated.  (Neither is Greenville, but it's more identifiable as a place.)  I never quite know what DelDOT is thinking.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: tmoore952 on November 11, 2023, 02:17:28 PM
Now that you mention it, Greenville would make more sense as a control city.  And no, Prices Corner and Fairfax are not incorporated.  (Neither is Greenville, but it's more identifiable as a place.)  I never quite know what DelDOT is thinking.

Most people who have heard of Greenville, may have heard of it due to either Biden, or Hagley Museum.

To follow up on my earlier post, about explaining to out-of-state people where I grew up, to those who know the area but not well, I always mention the Rolllns Building which was about half a mile due west of where I lived. Everyone seems to remember that building if they have seen it. It is across the street from the Fairfax Shopping Center, which is what I think of when I see "Fairfax" as a control city.

Now that I live in Baltimore-DC area, I have had several occasions on airplane flights to/from New England cities to fly near Wilmington at altitude, and that Rollins Building is very prominent from the air, being on the Piedmont which is itself a couple hundred feet elevation above Wilmington, and also very isolated (nothing remotely challenges its height in that area with except some radio towers (e.g., WDEL/WSTW and WJBR) which you can't see well from the air).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on November 11, 2023, 04:05:20 PM
I don't know what the Rollins building is technicially called now.  (And I work for New Castle County, even.)  Greenville would work at least as well as Fairfax for a control city, probably better than Elsmere.  DelDOT is so scattershot with its signage that the fact that they didn't just carbon-copy this sign is significant enough, but I have no idea why they picked Elsmere.

I would like to know why Newport is a solo control city in both directions on 141, besides that fact that it's incorporated and 141 goes right on top of it.  Most traffic in either direction isn't getting off there.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: tmoore952 on November 11, 2023, 05:54:10 PM
I don't know what the Rollins building is technicially called now.  (And I work for New Castle County, even.)  Greenville would work at least as well as Fairfax for a control city, probably better than Elsmere.  DelDOT is so scattershot with its signage that the fact that they didn't just carbon-copy this sign is significant enough, but I have no idea why they picked Elsmere.

I would like to know why Newport is a solo control city in both directions on 141, besides that fact that it's incorporated and 141 goes right on top of it.  Most traffic in either direction isn't getting off there.

Well, I googled it (Rollings Building) prior to my previous post because I wasn't sure either.
Looking at the results more carefully, it appears it has gone through a number of name changes in the last 20 years or so, but the latest result I saw was from 2023 (in -- seriously -- an article about ugly buildings). Called it the Rollins Building Heliport.

My personal opinion is that the building, while never beautiful in the classic sense, was much more appealing to me when it was white. To me it got very ugly when it was painted brown (2000s?). I vaguely remember it being built in the early 70s.

I have to say, the Google results were confusing and not dated very well. Interesting and related, here was an article in the Washington Post newspaper today about Google paying big bucks to be the default browser on cell phones, when it may not be the best browser.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: tmoore952 on November 11, 2023, 06:01:37 PM
I don't know what the Rollins building is technicially called now.  (And I work for New Castle County, even.)  Greenville would work at least as well as Fairfax for a control city, probably better than Elsmere.  DelDOT is so scattershot with its signage that the fact that they didn't just carbon-copy this sign is significant enough, but I have no idea why they picked Elsmere.

I would like to know why Newport is a solo control city in both directions on 141, besides that fact that it's incorporated and 141 goes right on top of it.  Most traffic in either direction isn't getting off there.

I can't really venture an answer to your last question because I am rarely up there any more, and even when I was going up there frequently, I was never going to or through Newport. I've probably been in Newport less than 10 times in 50 years. But if you didn't use Newport, would you use New Castle going SB, and who knows what (what we have been discussing) going NB?

I can say that my father worked for DuPont in Newport in the 50s. Later on, he went to Edgemoor.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on November 11, 2023, 08:26:32 PM
Now that you mention it, Greenville would make more sense as a control city.  And no, Prices Corner and Fairfax are not incorporated.  (Neither is Greenville, but it's more identifiable as a place.)  I never quite know what DelDOT is thinking.
[E]xplaining to out-of-state people where I grew up, to those who know the area but not well, I always mention the Rolllns Building which was about half a mile due west of where I lived. Everyone seems to remember that building if they have seen it. It is across the street from the Fairfax Shopping Center, which is what I think of when I see "Fairfax" as a control city.

Now that I live in Baltimore-DC area, I have had several occasions on airplane flights to/from New England cities to fly near Wilmington at altitude, and that Rollins Building is very prominent from the air, being on the Piedmont which is itself a couple hundred feet elevation above Wilmington, and also very isolated (nothing remotely challenges its height in that area with except some radio towers (e.g., WDEL/WSTW and WJBR) which you can't see well from the air).

It's also prominent if you are driving north on I-495 and bravely glance to your left at the apex of the Christina River bridge.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7262821,-75.5322545,3a,15y,352.05h,91.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s10njWZKSeHTK505FyaKlUg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: tmoore952 on November 12, 2023, 05:32:46 PM
Now that you mention it, Greenville would make more sense as a control city.  And no, Prices Corner and Fairfax are not incorporated.  (Neither is Greenville, but it's more identifiable as a place.)  I never quite know what DelDOT is thinking.
[E]xplaining to out-of-state people where I grew up, to those who know the area but not well, I always mention the Rolllns Building which was about half a mile due west of where I lived. Everyone seems to remember that building if they have seen it. It is across the street from the Fairfax Shopping Center, which is what I think of when I see "Fairfax" as a control city.

Now that I live in Baltimore-DC area, I have had several occasions on airplane flights to/from New England cities to fly near Wilmington at altitude, and that Rollins Building is very prominent from the air, being on the Piedmont which is itself a couple hundred feet elevation above Wilmington, and also very isolated (nothing remotely challenges its height in that area with except some radio towers (e.g., WDEL/WSTW and WJBR) which you can't see well from the air).

It's also prominent if you are driving north on I-495 and bravely glance to your left at the apex of the Christina River bridge.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7262821,-75.5322545,3a,15y,352.05h,91.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s10njWZKSeHTK505FyaKlUg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

Also from the Delaware Memorial Bridge which is the same view in the same direction but a couple miles farther away (in other words, from the DMB, the 495 bridge is in that viewline too). As a driver, easier to see driving westbound on the DMB (you would look about 45 degrees to the right) but for obvious reasons I wouldn't recommend doing that in traffic.

As a youngster, before I was driving, I was driven around these locations often enough that I knew where to look to see things like that. Never understood until later why my parents (the drivers) didn't know these things.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 15, 2023, 05:25:12 PM
(Affects US 13)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Rogers Road Weekend Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9869)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 17, 2023, 10:03:52 AM
(For DE 82)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Route 82 Creek Road to Close for Warm Mix Patching (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9873)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on November 17, 2023, 09:00:25 PM
Now that you mention it, Greenville would make more sense as a control city.  And no, Prices Corner and Fairfax are not incorporated.  (Neither is Greenville, but it's more identifiable as a place.)  I never quite know what DelDOT is thinking.
[E]xplaining to out-of-state people where I grew up, to those who know the area but not well, I always mention the Rolllns Building which was about half a mile due west of where I lived. Everyone seems to remember that building if they have seen it. It is across the street from the Fairfax Shopping Center, which is what I think of when I see "Fairfax" as a control city.

Now that I live in Baltimore-DC area, I have had several occasions on airplane flights to/from New England cities to fly near Wilmington at altitude, and that Rollins Building is very prominent from the air, being on the Piedmont which is itself a couple hundred feet elevation above Wilmington, and also very isolated (nothing remotely challenges its height in that area with except some radio towers (e.g., WDEL/WSTW and WJBR) which you can't see well from the air).

It's also prominent if you are driving north on I-495 and bravely glance to your left at the apex of the Christina River bridge.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7262821,-75.5322545,3a,15y,352.05h,91.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s10njWZKSeHTK505FyaKlUg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

Also from the Delaware Memorial Bridge which is the same view in the same direction but a couple miles farther away (in other words, from the DMB, the 495 bridge is in that viewline too). As a driver, easier to see driving westbound on the DMB (you would look about 45 degrees to the right) but for obvious reasons I wouldn't recommend doing that in traffic.

Which is why I included "bravely" in my Christina River bridge reference.  Iykwim.  :cool:

Down in Nassau, a house has been moved to make way for the New Road extension that will take New Road under DE 1.  The project includes a pair of roundabouts.

https://www.capegazette.com/article/house-moved-make-way-new-nassau-road/267585
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: tmoore952 on November 17, 2023, 09:17:21 PM
Now that you mention it, Greenville would make more sense as a control city.  And no, Prices Corner and Fairfax are not incorporated.  (Neither is Greenville, but it's more identifiable as a place.)  I never quite know what DelDOT is thinking.
[E]xplaining to out-of-state people where I grew up, to those who know the area but not well, I always mention the Rolllns Building which was about half a mile due west of where I lived. Everyone seems to remember that building if they have seen it. It is across the street from the Fairfax Shopping Center, which is what I think of when I see "Fairfax" as a control city.

Now that I live in Baltimore-DC area, I have had several occasions on airplane flights to/from New England cities to fly near Wilmington at altitude, and that Rollins Building is very prominent from the air, being on the Piedmont which is itself a couple hundred feet elevation above Wilmington, and also very isolated (nothing remotely challenges its height in that area with except some radio towers (e.g., WDEL/WSTW and WJBR) which you can't see well from the air).

It's also prominent if you are driving north on I-495 and bravely glance to your left at the apex of the Christina River bridge.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7262821,-75.5322545,3a,15y,352.05h,91.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s10njWZKSeHTK505FyaKlUg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

Also from the Delaware Memorial Bridge which is the same view in the same direction but a couple miles farther away (in other words, from the DMB, the 495 bridge is in that viewline too). As a driver, easier to see driving westbound on the DMB (you would look about 45 degrees to the right) but for obvious reasons I wouldn't recommend doing that in traffic.

Which is why I included "bravely" in my Christina River bridge reference.  Iykwim.  :cool:

Down in Nassau, a house has been moved to make way for the New Road extension that will take New Road under DE 1.  The project includes a pair of roundabouts.

https://www.capegazette.com/article/house-moved-make-way-new-nassau-road/267585

I know what you meant. I can mention that, too (and I would also argue that I SHOULD mention it).
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: tmoore952 on November 18, 2023, 09:33:43 PM
It occurred to me earlier this evening (while talking to my brother on a phone call) that this past week marked the 60th anniversary of the opening of the Delaware Turnpike/Maryland Northeast Expressway.

There was a ceremony (ribbon cutting and unveiling of a replica Mason-Dixon crownstone) at the MD-DE line on Nov 14, 1963, with President Kennedy, Delaware Governor Elbert Carvel, and Maryland Governor Millard Tydings. First traffic allowed at midnight Nov. 15.

Eight days later (Nov 22), President Kennedy was assassinated. Entire highway renamed in JFK's honor in December.

(side note - I remembered this when my brother asked about the I-95 bridge over the Susquehanna River -- which is called the Tydings Bridge).

(note - identical post placed in Maryland thread)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 21, 2023, 02:35:39 PM
(For DE 20)  US 113 AT SR 20 GRADE SEPARATED INTERSECTION has been awarded (https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicFinalBidtabDisplay&id=T202112702)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on November 21, 2023, 07:14:11 PM
(For DE 20)  US 113 AT SR 20 GRADE SEPARATED INTERSECTION has been awarded (https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicFinalBidtabDisplay&id=T202112702)

Plans for this can be found here - [DIRECT PDF DOWNLOAD] (https://gssdocs.deldot.delaware.gov/bids/T202112702%20Construction%20Plans.pdf)

The plan set re-confirms that DE 24 will be routed onto the bypass then back down US 113, and confirms that old DE 24 through downtown Millsboro will be signed as Business 24. Interestingly, this will also be signed as Exit 12 off US 113.

(https://img001.prntscr.com/file/img001/nvbJ1kJ8RN2E730lp29BcA.png)

(https://img001.prntscr.com/file/img001/lktGxNwORDSEvLsD5lbfwA.png)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on November 21, 2023, 09:46:32 PM
(For DE 20)  US 113 AT SR 20 GRADE SEPARATED INTERSECTION has been awarded (https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicFinalBidtabDisplay&id=T202112702)

Plans for this can be found here - [DIRECT PDF DOWNLOAD] (https://gssdocs.deldot.delaware.gov/bids/T202112702%20Construction%20Plans.pdf)

The plan set re-confirms that DE 24 will be routed onto the bypass then back down US 113, and confirms that old DE 24 through downtown Millsboro will be signed as Business 24. Interestingly, this will also be signed as Exit 12 off US 113.

(https://img001.prntscr.com/file/img001/nvbJ1kJ8RN2E730lp29BcA.png)

(https://img001.prntscr.com/file/img001/lktGxNwORDSEvLsD5lbfwA.png)

Precise sign measurments.  Wow.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: froggie on November 25, 2023, 06:12:03 PM
Interestingly, this will also be signed as Exit 12 off US 113.

Makes sense…it’s 12 miles from the Maryland line…
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on November 25, 2023, 08:47:39 PM
Interestingly, this will also be signed as Exit 12 off US 113.

Makes sense…it’s 12 miles from the Maryland line…
Right, but are there any other numbered exits on 113?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 25, 2023, 08:59:08 PM
Interestingly, this will also be signed as Exit 12 off US 113.

Makes sense…it’s 12 miles from the Maryland line…
Right, but are there any other numbered exits on 113?

I presume there will be long-term, but there are not any now.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: The Ghostbuster on November 25, 2023, 09:00:25 PM
This new interchange will be the first interchange along US 113 in the state of Delaware, save for the one at its northern terminus with DE 1. 113 used to continue up DE 1 to end at US 13 in Dover, but was truncated in 2004.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Dough4872 on November 26, 2023, 11:46:29 PM
This new interchange will be the first interchange along US 113 in the state of Delaware, save for the one at its northern terminus with DE 1. 113 used to continue up DE 1 to end at US 13 in Dover, but was truncated in 2004.

Construction should begin next year on an interchange between US 113 and DE 18/DE 404 in Georgetown. There are also plans to build an interchange at US 113 and DE 16 in Ellendale.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 27, 2023, 08:35:58 PM
(Affects DE 41, and the presentation mentions former DE 34)  Bridges 1-162, 1-183, 1-615 and 1-616 over Hyde Run Virtual Workshop (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202007104)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Dough4872 on November 27, 2023, 08:39:22 PM
(Affects DE 41, and the presentation mentions former DE 34)  Bridges 1-162, 1-183, 1-615 and 1-616 over Hyde Run Virtual Workshop (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202007104)

I don’t know why DelDOT would refer to a road by a designation it decommissioned a few years ago. Almost seems like they should have just left DE 34 stay.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on November 27, 2023, 08:53:01 PM
(Affects DE 41, and the presentation mentions former DE 34)  Bridges 1-162, 1-183, 1-615 and 1-616 over Hyde Run Virtual Workshop (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202007104)

I don’t know why DelDOT would refer to a road by a designation it decommissioned a few years ago. Almost seems like they should have just left DE 34 stay.

This presentation wasn't put together by DelDOT, this was done by one of their design contractors, Pennoni. I used to work there and actually did the 3D modelling for the example bridge replacement graphics on slide 13!
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 29, 2023, 03:02:26 PM
(For DE 72)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Paving to Close a Section of Northbound Route 72 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9889)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 30, 2023, 11:55:41 AM
Statewide - DelDOT Honored for Reducing Severe Crashes at Intersections Using All-Way Stop Control (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9890&type=News)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 30, 2023, 12:07:59 PM
Statewide - DelDOT Honored for Reducing Severe Crashes at Intersections Using All-Way Stop Control (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9890&type=News)

Quote
2023 National Roadway Safety Awards recognize innovations to protect pedestrians, cyclists and motorists as pandemic spike in U.S. road fatalities continues largely unabated.

How is an All Way Stop intersection innovative?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Tonytone on November 30, 2023, 11:50:57 PM
Statewide - DelDOT Honored for Reducing Severe Crashes at Intersections Using All-Way Stop Control (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9890&type=News)

Quote
2023 National Roadway Safety Awards recognize innovations to protect pedestrians, cyclists and motorists as pandemic spike in U.S. road fatalities continues largely unabated.

How is an All Way Stop intersection innovative?

Quote
Between 2017 and 2020, DelDOT converted 20 low-volume intersections statewide, mostly in rural and suburban areas, from two-way to all-way stops. In the two years after the change (2021 and 2022), the number of crashes at those intersections fell by 71 percent overall. Fatal crashes dropped by 75 percent, while crashes with injuries plummeted by 90 percent.

The only reason they were awarded is because the data showed a decrease in crashes due to them implementing all way stops at "low volume intersections"

They didn't do anything but add stop signs, to already low volume intersections, we're not talking about Limestone Rd & Route 7 here, basically this is on the level of a good attendance award.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 01, 2023, 01:32:34 PM
(For DE 4 and DE 62)  SR4 AT SR62 BOXWOOD ROAD/MIDDLEBORO ROAD Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=17629)

Project Website:  https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T201900703
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on December 01, 2023, 09:04:20 PM
This new interchange will be the first interchange along US 113 in the state of Delaware, save for the one at its northern terminus with DE 1. 113 used to continue up DE 1 to end at US 13 in Dover, but was truncated in 2004.

Construction should begin next year on an interchange between US 113 and DE 18/DE 404 in Georgetown. There are also plans to build an interchange at US 113 and DE 16 in Ellendale.

A Hardee's on the site of the project has closed its doors, apparently forever, without waiting for condemnation.

https://www.wrde.com/news/business-closes-due-to-georgetown-overpass-construction/article_df20650a-8d95-11ee-892a-df9af3a695bc.html
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Dough4872 on December 02, 2023, 07:14:52 AM
This new interchange will be the first interchange along US 113 in the state of Delaware, save for the one at its northern terminus with DE 1. 113 used to continue up DE 1 to end at US 13 in Dover, but was truncated in 2004.

Construction should begin next year on an interchange between US 113 and DE 18/DE 404 in Georgetown. There are also plans to build an interchange at US 113 and DE 16 in Ellendale.

A Hardee's on the site of the project has closed its doors, apparently forever, without waiting for condemnation.

https://www.wrde.com/news/business-closes-due-to-georgetown-overpass-construction/article_df20650a-8d95-11ee-892a-df9af3a695bc.html

A lot of businesses are gonna be lost at that intersection, but that interchange is sorely needed because traffic backs up at the light on US 113, particularly in the summer months.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 02, 2023, 08:05:18 AM
This new interchange will be the first interchange along US 113 in the state of Delaware, save for the one at its northern terminus with DE 1. 113 used to continue up DE 1 to end at US 13 in Dover, but was truncated in 2004.

Construction should begin next year on an interchange between US 113 and DE 18/DE 404 in Georgetown. There are also plans to build an interchange at US 113 and DE 16 in Ellendale.

A Hardee's on the site of the project has closed its doors, apparently forever, without waiting for condemnation.

https://www.wrde.com/news/business-closes-due-to-georgetown-overpass-construction/article_df20650a-8d95-11ee-892a-df9af3a695bc.html

Per the article the land was acquired by the State. So the condemnation process has already taken place, the property sold and it's no longer their building.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: RoadPelican on December 03, 2023, 12:38:36 PM
I always remember traveling by that Hardee's as a kid going to visit Grandma in Ocean City. I know that whole area just north of Hardee's was all woods in the 1990's.

Seeing the Hardee's meant "Yeah! Mommy & Daddy can drive a little faster because were about to go onto 4 lane 113" or it meant "Oh no! we're turning onto 2 lane 404"

Just a couple miles down US 113 at US 9, I remember having a few good meals at the Ponderosa Steakhouse (similar to a Golden Corral) and shopping Jamesway Department Store. Both were gone by 2000. Jamesway became Walmart then that moved to the north side of Georgetown.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 04, 2023, 02:00:40 PM
The US 9 TRUCK Route realignment in Georgetown apparently opened in September, and I just now found out about it. (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6712478,-75.3857963,3a,75y,128.01h,86.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVRvBkDZdtr5fk-TVRIxl3Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)

(For DE 299)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Traffic Shift on Route 299 in Middletown (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9896)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Dough4872 on December 04, 2023, 09:26:13 PM
The US 9 TRUCK Route realignment in Georgetown apparently opened in September, and I just now found out about it. (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6712478,-75.3857963,3a,75y,128.01h,86.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVRvBkDZdtr5fk-TVRIxl3Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)

The Street View imagery from September shows the sign blade showing the new alignment of US 9 Truck along Arrow Safety Road, yet past the intersection is a sign pointing for US 9 Truck/DE 404 Truck to continue south along US 113 to South Bedford Street. Also there is no US 9 Truck reassurance markers along Arrow Safety Road past US 113. Construction may have not been 100 percent complete at the time of the imagery or else DelDOT did not bother to update all the signage to reflect the new truck route. The Park Avenue Relocation project for the new truck route isn’t due to be complete until 2024 according to DelDOT’s website, so it’s likely US 9 Truck is still on its old alignment and the sign blade is just getting ahead for when the new alignment will be implemented.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on December 05, 2023, 03:27:06 AM
I noticed that Thompson Road in Milford didn’t exist prior to the interchange on DE 1 opened in circa 2017. Older imagery prior to 2016 shows no former intersection at that location that the interchange replaced.

Is Thompson Road one of those development enhancements that either Sussex County or Milford built to encourage economic growth?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 05, 2023, 07:04:11 AM
The US 9 TRUCK Route realignment in Georgetown apparently opened in September, and I just now found out about it. (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6712478,-75.3857963,3a,75y,128.01h,86.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVRvBkDZdtr5fk-TVRIxl3Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)

The Street View imagery from September shows the sign blade showing the new alignment of US 9 Truck along Arrow Safety Road, yet past the intersection is a sign pointing for US 9 Truck/DE 404 Truck to continue south along US 113 to South Bedford Street. Also there is no US 9 Truck reassurance markers along Arrow Safety Road past US 113. Construction may have not been 100 percent complete at the time of the imagery or else DelDOT did not bother to update all the signage to reflect the new truck route. The Park Avenue Relocation project for the new truck route isn’t due to be complete until 2024 according to DelDOT’s website, so it’s likely US 9 Truck is still on its old alignment and the sign blade is just getting ahead for when the new alignment will be implemented.

Yeah, I had forgotten that there was a relocation east of Arrow Safety Rd.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on December 05, 2023, 11:57:33 AM
This new interchange will be the first interchange along US 113 in the state of Delaware, save for the one at its northern terminus with DE 1. 113 used to continue up DE 1 to end at US 13 in Dover, but was truncated in 2004.

Construction should begin next year on an interchange between US 113 and DE 18/DE 404 in Georgetown. There are also plans to build an interchange at US 113 and DE 16 in Ellendale.

A Hardee's on the site of the project has closed its doors, apparently forever, without waiting for condemnation.

https://www.wrde.com/news/business-closes-due-to-georgetown-overpass-construction/article_df20650a-8d95-11ee-892a-df9af3a695bc.html

Per the article the land was acquired by the State. So the condemnation process has already taken place, the property sold and it's no longer their building.

I would expect to se the building number spray-painted in orange on the building before it's torn down.  That's how DelDOT marks condemned buildings.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex on December 05, 2023, 02:24:54 PM
The US 9 TRUCK Route realignment in Georgetown apparently opened in September, and I just now found out about it. (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6712478,-75.3857963,3a,75y,128.01h,86.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVRvBkDZdtr5fk-TVRIxl3Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)

The Street View imagery from September shows the sign blade showing the new alignment of US 9 Truck along Arrow Safety Road, yet past the intersection is a sign pointing for US 9 Truck/DE 404 Truck to continue south along US 113 to South Bedford Street. Also there is no US 9 Truck reassurance markers along Arrow Safety Road past US 113. Construction may have not been 100 percent complete at the time of the imagery or else DelDOT did not bother to update all the signage to reflect the new truck route. The Park Avenue Relocation project for the new truck route isn’t due to be complete until 2024 according to DelDOT’s website, so it’s likely US 9 Truck is still on its old alignment and the sign blade is just getting ahead for when the new alignment will be implemented.

Yeah, I had forgotten that there was a relocation east of Arrow Safety Rd.

The realignment off Park Avenue is definitely not open yet. Still just grading as of 11/23/23:

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/mid-atlantic/georgetown-de-11-23-23.jpg)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Dough4872 on December 06, 2023, 08:38:01 AM
I noticed that Thompson Road in Milford didn’t exist prior to the interchange on DE 1 opened in circa 2017. Older imagery prior to 2016 shows no former intersection at that location that the interchange replaced.

Is Thompson Road one of those development enhancements that either Sussex County or Milford built to encourage economic growth?

I don’t recall a Thompson Road in Milford. Are you referring to Thompsonville Road? That road previously headed east from DE 1 at an intersection before the interchange was built. When the interchange was built, a connector road was built from the interchange west to Church Hill Road.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 06, 2023, 04:09:22 PM
(Also for US 202)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Rolling Roadblocks on SB I-95 at Route 202 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9905)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: roadman65 on December 06, 2023, 04:29:51 PM
I noticed that Thompson Road in Milford didn’t exist prior to the interchange on DE 1 opened in circa 2017. Older imagery prior to 2016 shows no former intersection at that location that the interchange replaced.

Is Thompson Road one of those development enhancements that either Sussex County or Milford built to encourage economic growth?

I don’t recall a Thompson Road in Milford. Are you referring to Thompsonville Road? That road previously headed east from DE 1 at an intersection before the interchange was built. When the interchange was built, a connector road was built from the interchange west to Church Hill Road.

Yeah that what I set out to type. Either I made an error or autocorrect changed my name.  I’ll have to check GSV previous older images, but I recall seeing no intersection there.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Dough4872 on December 07, 2023, 04:27:52 PM
I noticed that Thompson Road in Milford didn’t exist prior to the interchange on DE 1 opened in circa 2017. Older imagery prior to 2016 shows no former intersection at that location that the interchange replaced.

Is Thompson Road one of those development enhancements that either Sussex County or Milford built to encourage economic growth?

I don’t recall a Thompson Road in Milford. Are you referring to Thompsonville Road? That road previously headed east from DE 1 at an intersection before the interchange was built. When the interchange was built, a connector road was built from the interchange west to Church Hill Road.

Yeah that what I set out to type. Either I made an error or autocorrect changed my name.  I’ll have to check GSV previous older images, but I recall seeing no intersection there.

DE 1 had a traffic light with Thompsonville Road, which headed east from DE 1, prior to the interchange being built.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on December 13, 2023, 08:33:31 PM
This new interchange will be the first interchange along US 113 in the state of Delaware, save for the one at its northern terminus with DE 1. 113 used to continue up DE 1 to end at US 13 in Dover, but was truncated in 2004.

Construction should begin next year on an interchange between US 113 and DE 18/DE 404 in Georgetown. There are also plans to build an interchange at US 113 and DE 16 in Ellendale.

A Hardee's on the site of the project has closed its doors, apparently forever, without waiting for condemnation.

https://www.wrde.com/news/business-closes-due-to-georgetown-overpass-construction/article_df20650a-8d95-11ee-892a-df9af3a695bc.html

Per the article the land was acquired by the State. So the condemnation process has already taken place, the property sold and it's no longer their building.

The neighborhood Arby's is history too, now.

https://www.wboc.com/news/georgetown-faces-temporary-disruptions-as-u-s-113-improvement-project-progresses/article_298bb51a-9a19-11ee-ac5b-b7f6674ab832.html
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: davewiecking on December 13, 2023, 09:35:45 PM
This new interchange will be the first interchange along US 113 in the state of Delaware, save for the one at its northern terminus with DE 1. 113 used to continue up DE 1 to end at US 13 in Dover, but was truncated in 2004.

Construction should begin next year on an interchange between US 113 and DE 18/DE 404 in Georgetown. There are also plans to build an interchange at US 113 and DE 16 in Ellendale.

A Hardee's on the site of the project has closed its doors, apparently forever, without waiting for condemnation.

https://www.wrde.com/news/business-closes-due-to-georgetown-overpass-construction/article_df20650a-8d95-11ee-892a-df9af3a695bc.html

Per the article the land was acquired by the State. So the condemnation process has already taken place, the property sold and it's no longer their building.

The neighborhood Arby's is history too, now.

https://www.wboc.com/news/georgetown-faces-temporary-disruptions-as-u-s-113-improvement-project-progresses/article_298bb51a-9a19-11ee-ac5b-b7f6674ab832.html

The article talks about the Arby’s further “down” the road; it’s actually a tad north of the Hardee’s which I’d call “up” the road. Surprised the Royal Farms is closing; I assumed when it was built a few years ago (after the Ford dealer moved to a new building a few hundred feet east) that it would stay because the new plan doesn’t include any ramps in the NE corner.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Dough4872 on December 14, 2023, 11:10:48 AM
This new interchange will be the first interchange along US 113 in the state of Delaware, save for the one at its northern terminus with DE 1. 113 used to continue up DE 1 to end at US 13 in Dover, but was truncated in 2004.

Construction should begin next year on an interchange between US 113 and DE 18/DE 404 in Georgetown. There are also plans to build an interchange at US 113 and DE 16 in Ellendale.

A Hardee's on the site of the project has closed its doors, apparently forever, without waiting for condemnation.

https://www.wrde.com/news/business-closes-due-to-georgetown-overpass-construction/article_df20650a-8d95-11ee-892a-df9af3a695bc.html

Per the article the land was acquired by the State. So the condemnation process has already taken place, the property sold and it's no longer their building.

The neighborhood Arby's is history too, now.

https://www.wboc.com/news/georgetown-faces-temporary-disruptions-as-u-s-113-improvement-project-progresses/article_298bb51a-9a19-11ee-ac5b-b7f6674ab832.html

The article talks about the Arby’s further “down” the road; it’s actually a tad north of the Hardee’s which I’d call “up” the road. Surprised the Royal Farms is closing; I assumed when it was built a few years ago (after the Ford dealer moved to a new building a few hundred feet east) that it would stay because the new plan doesn’t include any ramps in the NE corner.

Royal Farms opened a new location at the south end of Georgetown. Even if the ramps aren’t built in the NE corner the Royal Farms will lose its access roads so that’s why it has to close.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on December 15, 2023, 08:23:20 AM
How will the 113/404 project affect the shopping center in the NW corner (Walmart, Walgreens, and other merchants in that quarter)?
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: davewiecking on December 15, 2023, 09:16:41 AM
How will the 113/404 project affect the shopping center in the NW corner (Walmart, Walgreens, and other merchants in that quarter)?

Seems I’ve mis-remembered the plan. No effect on that shopping center.
https://deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicProjectPortalDocument&iDID=1260243&iProjectObjectID=48378
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 15, 2023, 08:12:23 PM
(Also for DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/Rt 896 Interchange Lane Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9914)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 27, 2023, 12:40:49 PM
(For DE 299)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nightwork - SR 299 from SR 1 to Catherine Street (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9926)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 03, 2024, 10:21:51 AM
(For DE 299)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Nighttime Traffic shift on Route 299 (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9928)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 05, 2024, 01:09:50 PM
(Also for DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/Rt 896 Interchange--Upcoming Lane and Ramp Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9931)

(Closure is actually on US 13)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Traffic Pattern Change on Rogers Road (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9932)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 10, 2024, 03:10:04 PM
(Affects DE 8) K104, Kenton Road, SR8 to Chestnut Grove Road Public Meeting (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=17694)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 11, 2024, 12:01:40 PM
I moved the DE 1 interstate discussion to its own thread.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=34381.0

Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 12, 2024, 11:39:33 AM
(For DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/Rt 896 Interchange--Upcoming Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9936)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 17, 2024, 07:10:12 PM
(For DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Bridge Girder Installation to Begin at I-95/Rt 896 Interchange (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9943)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 19, 2024, 01:46:56 PM
(For DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/Rt 896 Interchange--Upcoming Lane and Ramp Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9945)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: tmoore952 on January 19, 2024, 01:48:47 PM
(For DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/Rt 896 Interchange--Upcoming Lane and Ramp Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9945)

Glad they are redoing that interchange. I always found the 896 SB to 95 NB (which is really EB here) movement to be odd.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 19, 2024, 01:51:45 PM
(For DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/Rt 896 Interchange--Upcoming Lane and Ramp Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9945)

Glad they are redoing that interchange. I always found the 896 SB to 95 NB (which is really EB here) movement to be odd.

It's just a normal cloverleaf.  The only odd part was the width of the ramp where the toll plaza formerly was located.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: tmoore952 on January 21, 2024, 01:15:41 PM
(For DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/Rt 896 Interchange--Upcoming Lane and Ramp Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9945)

Glad they are redoing that interchange. I always found the 896 SB to 95 NB (which is really EB here) movement to be odd.

It's just a normal cloverleaf.  The only odd part was the width of the ramp where the toll plaza formerly was located.

I forgot about the toll plaza, but it has been 45 years.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: epzik8 on January 23, 2024, 07:26:36 AM
(For DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/Rt 896 Interchange--Upcoming Lane and Ramp Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9945)

Glad they are redoing that interchange. I always found the 896 SB to 95 NB (which is really EB here) movement to be odd.

896 NB to 95 SB, meanwhile, is an absolute pain.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 23, 2024, 11:12:15 AM
(For DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Upcoming Ramp Closures for I-95/Rt 896 Interchange Bridge Girder Installation (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9949)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 26, 2024, 10:58:30 AM
(For DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/Rt 896 Interchange--Upcoming Lane and Ramp Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9956)

(For DE 72)  Old Baltimore Pike, Battle Drive to SR 72 Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=17737)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 02, 2024, 10:19:02 AM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - James Street Bridge over the Christina River to Close this Weekend (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9964)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 05, 2024, 10:22:15 AM
(For DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - FULL I-95 CLOSURE for I-95 and Rt 896 Interchange Bridge Girder Installation (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9967&type=Traffic)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on February 05, 2024, 11:01:15 AM
(For DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - FULL I-95 CLOSURE for I-95 and Rt 896 Interchange Bridge Girder Installation (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9967&type=Traffic)

Using the shunpike route.  Definitely losing toll revenue with this detour.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 05, 2024, 05:04:21 PM
(For DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - FULL I-95 CLOSURE for I-95 and Rt 896 Interchange Bridge Girder Installation (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9967&type=Traffic)

Using the shunpike route.  Definitely losing toll revenue with this detour.

It's overnight. Low volume time period, so low loss. Just part of the cost of construction.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alps on February 05, 2024, 06:37:18 PM
(For DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - FULL I-95 CLOSURE for I-95 and Rt 896 Interchange Bridge Girder Installation (https://deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9967&type=Traffic)

Using the shunpike route.  Definitely losing toll revenue with this detour.

It's overnight. Low volume time period, so low loss. Just part of the cost of construction.
And you're always free (pun) to go that way if you want.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: bzakharin on February 11, 2024, 08:36:09 PM
I don't know if this has been discussed already, but when did Delaware steal Maryland's "lane ends" signs? Just noticed it on I-95 southbound (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7000444,-75.6106016,3a,41.4y,245.21h,87.06t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sPIy_G8fLQIx-yfcCsN0zZg!2e0!5s20230901T000000!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) this past weekend.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 11, 2024, 11:10:18 PM
I don't know if this has been discussed already, but when did Delaware steal Maryland's "lane ends" signs? Just noticed it on I-95 southbound (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7000444,-75.6106016,3a,41.4y,245.21h,87.06t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sPIy_G8fLQIx-yfcCsN0zZg!2e0!5s20230901T000000!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) this past weekend.

Probably 20+ years ago. They have them scattered around.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: MASTERNC on February 12, 2024, 08:39:32 AM
I don't know if this has been discussed already, but when did Delaware steal Maryland's "lane ends" signs? Just noticed it on I-95 southbound (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7000444,-75.6106016,3a,41.4y,245.21h,87.06t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sPIy_G8fLQIx-yfcCsN0zZg!2e0!5s20230901T000000!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) this past weekend.

Probably 20+ years ago. They have them scattered around.

The only thing missing is the "Merge Left" or "Merge Right" sign underneath
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: elsmere241 on February 12, 2024, 09:52:51 AM
Delaware "steals" things like that from neighboring states, but doesn't really have a statewide pattern with signage.  (It does have too many carbon-copy signs.  I feel sorry for anyone trying to follow US 202.)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 13, 2024, 07:39:50 AM
(For DE 4 and DE 7)  SR 4 AND SR 7 INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=17779)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: jmacswimmer on February 14, 2024, 09:22:41 AM
I don't know if this has been discussed already, but when did Delaware steal Maryland's "lane ends" signs? Just noticed it on I-95 southbound (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7000444,-75.6106016,3a,41.4y,245.21h,87.06t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sPIy_G8fLQIx-yfcCsN0zZg!2e0!5s20230901T000000!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) this past weekend.

Probably 20+ years ago. They have them scattered around.

The only thing missing is the "Merge Left" or "Merge Right" sign underneath

Delaware "steals" things like that from neighboring states, but doesn't really have a statewide pattern with signage.  (It does have too many carbon-copy signs.  I feel sorry for anyone trying to follow US 202.)

I've also noticed that certain exit tabs (such as these on I-95 NB (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6936628,-75.625187,3a,39.6y,85.16h,91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLFGHH6qOBLaq-yw-RVeUjQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu)) look Maryland-like with shoving "EXIT" all the way left and the ## all the way right within the tab.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Alex4897 on February 14, 2024, 10:47:04 AM
On the subject of Delaware signage, DelDOT's gotten creative again with new signs at the intersection of Cave Neck Road and SR 1. The signs sort of follow the same design vein as the custom signs made for the Casho Mill Road underpass in Newark.

(https://www.capegazette.com/sites/capegazette/files/2024/02/field/image/_DSC8339.JPG)
Courtesy of Cape Gazette. (https://www.capegazette.com/article/more-improvements-route-1-cave-neck-intersection/270759)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: Dough4872 on February 14, 2024, 01:42:00 PM
On the subject of Delaware signage, DelDOT's gotten creative again with new signs at the intersection of Cave Neck Road and SR 1. The signs sort of follow the same design vein as the custom signs made for the Casho Mill Road underpass in Newark.

(https://www.capegazette.com/sites/capegazette/files/2024/02/field/image/_DSC8339.JPG)
Courtesy of Cape Gazette. (https://www.capegazette.com/article/more-improvements-route-1-cave-neck-intersection/270759)

DelDOT always has a sense of humor.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: ixnay on February 15, 2024, 09:50:55 PM
On the subject of Delaware signage, DelDOT's gotten creative again with new signs at the intersection of Cave Neck Road and SR 1. The signs sort of follow the same design vein as the custom signs made for the Casho Mill Road underpass in Newark.

(https://www.capegazette.com/sites/capegazette/files/2024/02/field/image/_DSC8339.JPG)
Courtesy of Cape Gazette. (https://www.capegazette.com/article/more-improvements-route-1-cave-neck-intersection/270759)

DelDOT always has a sense of humor.

DelDOT had that sense of humor re signage years before the witty messageboard messages.  Who else remembers the sign at US 13 and Port Penn Road facing southbound 13 traffic, that said "[Silhouette of duck] [13 shield] Traffic/[picture of monkey swinging on vine] Left to [DE 9 shield]"?  I.e., a rebus that said "Duck 13 traffic/Swing left to Rt. 9" (with yellow "No Trucks" sign beneath).  This of course, was before the DE 1 superhighway.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 16, 2024, 09:52:03 AM
(Affects DE 8) K104, Kenton Road, SR8 to Chestnut Grove Road Public Meeting (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=17694)

The plans can be seen here (https://www.kentonroadimprovements.com/).  Nothing major in regard to Travel Mapping, but there will be a bunch of detours during construction (scheduled to start in March of this year).

(For DE 72)  Old Baltimore Pike, Battle Drive to SR 72 Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=17737)

The presentation slides have been posted to the project webpage (https://deldot.gov/projects/index.shtml?dc=details&projectNumber=T202107101). 
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 17, 2024, 07:43:27 AM
(For DE 896)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Southbound Route 896 to Close for Two Nights (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9985)

TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/Rt 896 Interchange--Upcoming Lane and Ramp Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9986)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 20, 2024, 02:14:58 PM
Statewide - DelDOT Launches "On the Move with DelDOT" Podcast (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=9990)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 22, 2024, 10:56:18 AM
(For DE 10)  Rehabilitation of Bridges 2-356B&C on SR10 Lebanon Road (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=17817)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: davewiecking on February 25, 2024, 12:35:28 PM
(For DE 24)  CM/GC, North Millsboro Bypass, US 113 to SR24 has been awarded (http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicFinalBidtabDisplay&id=T202112701)
Interchange of new bypass on US-113 underway. Surveyors flags and “this project funded by the bipartisan inflation reduction act” signs installed last week.
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 28, 2024, 06:32:41 AM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - James Street Bridge Over the Christina River to Close This Weekend (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=10003)

(For DE 1)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Left Lane Closure on NB Rt 1 on the Roth Bridge (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=10002)

Quote
A crew will be installing a weather meter on the bridge.

(For DE 299)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Single Lane Open on Rt 299 at Catherine Street for a Traffic Shift (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=10001)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 01, 2024, 07:41:48 AM
Old Baltimore Pike, Battle Drive to SR 72 Public Workshop (https://deldot.gov/About/publicevents/workshops/index.shtml?dc=workshop&id=17840)

(For DE 896) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - I-95/Rt 896--Upcoming Land and Ramp Closures (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=10008)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 04, 2024, 05:12:45 PM
(For DE 273 and DE 896) TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - New London Road and W. Main Street to Close for Railroad Maintenance (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=10009)
Title: Re: Delaware
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 14, 2024, 12:59:14 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - James Street Bridge Over the Christina River to Close this Weekend (https://www.deldot.gov/About/news/index.shtml?dc=release&id=10028)