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[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/fkNf1UxngbSkbqcE8

Does US 301 follow Wythe Street EB here at the above image location?

It seems US 301 disappears between Crater Road and Adams Street in Petersburg.

[famartin]

https://goo.gl/maps/fkNf1UxngbSkbqcE8

Does US 301 follow Wythe Street EB here at the above image location?

It seems US 301 disappears between Crater Road and Adams Street in Petersburg.

Southbound turns left from Adams Street onto Bank Street
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.2322695,-77.4029701,3a,75y,152.99h,92.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slzr9xv-z1jMPl1Edq7iwEQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Then right onto Crater Road
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.2326978,-77.394124,3a,75y,62.05h,96.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBo_r6RqOVgSabCZFsuuWOg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Northbound turns left from Crater Road onto Bollingbrook Street
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.2340626,-77.3946824,3a,75y,328.77h,80.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPS7evDAyyMogXDRtjsVKxw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Then right onto Adams Street
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.2327138,-77.4020736,3a,75y,273.6h,91.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbmPcI7H2MLg1LwW3fpm5lg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

[74/171FAN]

https://goo.gl/maps/fkNf1UxngbSkbqcE8

Does US 301 follow Wythe Street EB here at the above image location?

It seems US 301 disappears between Crater Road and Adams Street in Petersburg.

Southbound turns left from Adams Street onto Bank Street
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.2322695,-77.4029701,3a,75y,152.99h,92.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slzr9xv-z1jMPl1Edq7iwEQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Then right onto Crater Road
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.2326978,-77.394124,3a,75y,62.05h,96.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBo_r6RqOVgSabCZFsuuWOg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Northbound turns left from Crater Road onto Bollingbrook Street
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.2340626,-77.3946824,3a,75y,328.77h,80.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPS7evDAyyMogXDRtjsVKxw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Then right onto Adams Street
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.2327138,-77.4020736,3a,75y,273.6h,91.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbmPcI7H2MLg1LwW3fpm5lg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Yeah I consider this to be the generally agreed upon routing since the replacement of the MLK Bridge back in around 2003.  Same with US 1 and US 301 ALT going straight down Adams to Washington/Wythe.

However, these reroutes were never incorporated in the official VDOT Traffic Data.  The LRS Route Overlap map seems to show US 1 as before, but shows US 301 ALT on Adams St.

[Takumi]

It’s worth noting that Bollingbrook/Bank used to be one-way splits like Washington/Wythe still are. In recent years, Bank has become more pedestrian-focused, with a 4-way stop and some crosswalks. I’d personally drop Bank from the primary system and put 301 solely on Bollingbrook to Crater.

[roadman65]

Wasn’t Jefferson once the NB US 1 alignment at one time?

[74/171FAN]

Wasn’t Jefferson once the NB US 1 alignment at one time?

Yes, the VDOT Traffic Data for the city of Petersburg (see my link above to access it) still shows that routing (and the Market St routing for US 1 SB).

[roadman65]

It don’t show Henry Street NB though.

[Mapmikey]

US 301's route has been the same since 1951  - see pg. 40 at https://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-08-1951-01.pdf

They didn't apply for this change with AASHO until 1974 - first here - https://grmservices.grmims.com/vsearch/portal/public/na4/aashto/default, then https://na4.visualvault.com/app/AASHTO/Default/documentviewer?DhID=023c0ec6-53e6-ea11-a98a-ff9beffbfef8&hidemenu=true

US 1-301 ALT NB used to use Jefferson/Henry/3rd/Bollingbrook; SB 301 ALT used 2nd/Henry/Adams.  1974 AASHO doc above has a map that explicitly shows this.  The posted route appears to have changed when they built a direct connection of Adams to then-2nd St in 2003.  VDOT traffic logs do not update in a timely manner.  For example, VA 337 ALT still gets a reported AADT on the segment destroyed by VA 164.

[roadman65]

Well considering the US routes are secondary to the interstates now, it really isn’t a concern anymore of replacing signs or going through the process of realigning routes inthe city.

Some states would just realign to the freeways or some cities like Montgomery or Indy would request the states to align outside the city, but where US 1,301, and 460 are concerned not many locals care about it existence in the city here and use street names over route numbers.

Plus VDOT not assuming maintenance within independent cities don’t help hence why US  60 is poorly signed in VA Beach along the Oceanfront area among many things with this agreement.

[Takumi]

The posted route of US is the de facto route for it. It’s the most direct connection to Washington/Wythe, and is wider than the other streets. There’s nothing of importance on either Jefferson or Market anyway.

Also, 2nd Street actually still exists, though it’s entirely under the MLK bridge.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/g7xaqHUduV2bqdn87
The Tidewater Drive and Ocean View Avenue interchange is long gone as seen in aforementioned link.

Yet, Googlemaps still show it.
https://goo.gl/maps/cRnumZQrauJsVBmT9

[bluecountry]

Why was US-29 from Warrenton to DC originally signed as US-211?

US 211 was the original route. US 29 was added to the route on a "temporary" basis but that temporary situation became permanent.

So where did 29 terminate?

It originally terminated in Lynchburg before being extended to Culpeper.

US 29 originally ended at Kings Mtn NC. 

It then replaced US 170 to Culpepper (170 was extended from Lynchburg then immediately renumbered as 29). 

Then US 29 was extended to Baltimore via US 211, etc. pending improvements to VA 28 and new DC bypass.

Ah ok so 211 never was used over 29.

[skluth]

New pedestrian bridge open over the Beltway in Tysons. I'm assuming this is the location as it's only shown on the map and not the imagery.

[1995hoo]

Yes, that’s the correct location.

[74/171FAN]

A few VA photos worth mentioning:

1.  The "1" here would look really ugly for Central VA if those VA 10 signs were not still in Hopewell.  (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10217882404372266&set=a.10217882434013007)

2.  With SR 7592,  I guess that Chesterfield County is slowly catching up to Fairfax County in regard to SR Numbers.  (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10217883219192636&set=a.10217882434013007)

3.  I am not sure why the VA 156 BUS bridge over Bailey's Creek has an Emergency Vehicle Weight Limit, but not any other weight limit.  (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10217882385251788&set=a.10217882434013007)

4.  So "Hanover Co" is being used here instead of "Hanover CH" on this distance sign on US 301 NB/VA 2 NB just north of I-295.  (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10217882373731500&set=a.10217882434013007)

[Dirt Roads]

1.  The "1" here would look really ugly for Central VA if those VA 10 signs were not still in Hopewell.
(https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10217882404372266&set=a.10217882434013007)

I didn't realize that any of these signs remained.  At one time, the huge single digit signs were scattered all over US-1, as were similar signs for VA-2 and VA-3.  I never saw any on VA-4, VA-5, VA-6, VA-7, VA-8 or VA-9, but some of these routes I didn't clinch until the early 1990s.  I vaguely recall seeing some US-11 signs with the huge font, but can't remember where.

[Jmiles32]

Looks likes the future US-15 Bypass /Battlefield Parkway interchange in Leesburg has a preferred design: https://www.loudounnow.com/news/leesburg/leesburg-council-picks-battlefield-interchange-design/article_df962986-64ea-11ed-8d3a-9b79661b32a3.html



Still likely at least a decade away but good to see progress.

[hbelkins]

A few VA photos worth mentioning:

3.  I am not sure why the VA 156 BUS bridge over Bailey's Creek has an Emergency Vehicle Weight Limit, but not any other weight limit.  (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10217882385251788&set=a.10217882434013007)

It's a federal requirement. This is the information Kentucky has posted:

Know Your Limits- Kentucky Bridge Weight Limits for Emergency Vehicles
Emergency Vehicles (EVs) are designed to be used under emergency conditions to transport personnel and equipment to suppress fires and mitigate other hazardous situations (23 U.S.C. 127(r)(2)).
Under this provision, the gross vehicle weight (GVW) limit for EVs is 86,000 pounds for vehicles traveling on an interstate or within one mile of an interstate (pursuant to Section 1410 of the FAST Act).

The Bridge Weight Limits map displays weight restricted bridges EV operators should avoid if they do not meet the posted weights. There are two ways to search for bridges in your service area that may be restricted from use:

    See our Weight Limits interactive map. Once on the page, click the magnifying glass icon in the top right corner of the map, select “gross posted or EVs restricted”  from the search layer dropdown menu, select your county, then click search. All of the bridges in blue have a known restriction. Double-click the icon to see bridge weight details. If the EV exceeds ANY of the four posted weight limits for the bridge, then the EV is not permitted to use the structure. See Interactive Map here.
    See a list of bridge weight limits for emergency vehicles by county here.

The statute authorizes the following additional weight limits, depending upon vehicle configuration: 1 ton= 2000 pounds

    24,000 pounds on a single steering axle;
    33,500 pounds on a single drive axle;
    62,000 pounds on a tandem axle; or
    52,000 pounds on a tandem rear drive steer axle.

If the Emergency vehicle exceeds the gross posting, the vehicle is restricted; otherwise if the vehicle exceeds any of the listed single axle, tandem axle, or EV gross posting- the vehicle is restricted from utilizing that structure.
Questions? Contact Division of Maintenance, Bridge Preservation, 502-564-4556.

[74/171FAN]

Yeah it makes sense to me HB that it is a federal requirement.  I still think it is odd that there would not be a weight limit for other vehicles as the ones I saw on the KYTC website definitely have a higher Emergency Vehicle Weight Limit than for cars or trucks.

[WillWeaverRVA]

1.  The "1" here would look really ugly for Central VA if those VA 10 signs were not still in Hopewell.
(https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10217882404372266&set=a.10217882434013007)

I didn't realize that any of these signs remained.  At one time, the huge single digit signs were scattered all over US-1, as were similar signs for VA-2 and VA-3.  I never saw any on VA-4, VA-5, VA-6, VA-7, VA-8 or VA-9, but some of these routes I didn't clinch until the early 1990s.  I vaguely recall seeing some US-11 signs with the huge font, but can't remember where.

These particular ones are brand new and were installed by Chesterfield County, since the name of the road was changed to simply "Route 1" last year (despite it also being US 301).

[hbelkins]

Yeah it makes sense to me HB that it is a federal requirement.  I still think it is odd that there would not be a weight limit for other vehicles as the ones I saw on the KYTC website definitely have a higher Emergency Vehicle Weight Limit than for cars or trucks.

At one time, there was a better link to the information about weight limits for emergency vehicles, but I couldn't find it.

This is definitely a federal directive. KYTC inspectors were told to check out all inventoried structures (20' or longer) not only on the state system, but local roads. There are signs posted now for non-inventoried structures such as concrete box culverts.

I really wish I could find the pertinent references, but they seem to have disappeared.

[Mapmikey]

Yeah it makes sense to me HB that it is a federal requirement.  I still think it is odd that there would not be a weight limit for other vehicles as the ones I saw on the KYTC website definitely have a higher Emergency Vehicle Weight Limit than for cars or trucks.

At one time, there was a better link to the information about weight limits for emergency vehicles, but I couldn't find it.

This is definitely a federal directive. KYTC inspectors were told to check out all inventoried structures (20' or longer) not only on the state system, but local roads. There are signs posted now for non-inventoried structures such as concrete box culverts.

I really wish I could find the pertinent references, but they seem to have disappeared.

Here is Virginia’s version:  https://www.virginiadot.org/business/resources/bridge/Manuals/IIM/SBIIM86.4.pdf

[74/171FAN]

From page 21:

All posting signs apply to all vehicles, including EVs. As such, EV Weight Limit signs should generally be needed when either:

- If the structure is not currently posted, but EVs ratings do not rate then only the EVs weight restriction sign may be needed.

- If the structure is already posted but EVs rate lower than the currently posted weight limits (R12-1/R12-V6, R12-V2/R12-V3, etc.) then a determination of whether or not a new EV sign is required will need to be made. 

- If the structure is already posted but EVs ratings are higher than the currently restricted weight limits (R12-1/R12-V6, R12-V2/R12-V3, etc.) then a determination of whether or not a new EV sign is required will need to be made. If using the new EV weight restrictions can provide "relief" for fire departments where the EV rating is higher than the existing posting, but lower than the required capacity, then it can be used.

I guess the bridge I am referring to falls under the first category.

[Mapmikey]

1.  The "1" here would look really ugly for Central VA if those VA 10 signs were not still in Hopewell.
(https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10217882404372266&set=a.10217882434013007)

I didn't realize that any of these signs remained.  At one time, the huge single digit signs were scattered all over US-1, as were similar signs for VA-2 and VA-3.  I never saw any on VA-4, VA-5, VA-6, VA-7, VA-8 or VA-9, but some of these routes I didn't clinch until the early 1990s.  I vaguely recall seeing some US-11 signs with the huge font, but can't remember where.

Here's a 1956 Va. Hwy Bulletin photo of oversize VA 2:



I also have pics of single digit numbers that are large within cutouts for VA 3, VA 5, VA 7 and VA 8 but i'm not sure if that's quite the same.

[Thing 342]

The Skiffes Creek Connector between VA-143 and US-60 is now open: https://www.dailypress.com/virginiagazette/va-vg-skiffes-connector-opens-20221118-m4okj4ic75dijlnoqmipamhroe-story.html

I drove it today, it's a curious design for its stated purpose of improving truck access to I-64, seeing as the VA-143 interchange nearby is missing a few movements. I assume adding additional ramps directly to I-64 was not an option.