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Interstate control cities that can't be reached via *ANY* interstate

Started by NWI_Irish96, September 17, 2021, 06:12:43 PM

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NWI_Irish96

This is inspired by someone's suggestion that IL 394 be turned into I-394 and I responded that even though part of IL 394 is a freeway, its control city is Danville and people might mistakenly believe that they could take an all-interstate route to Danville by following 394.

This led me to the following question: Is there anyplace in the US where a control city is signed on an interstate but you can't get to that city via interstate by going that direction?

I-65 north doesn't go to Chicago, but you can get to continue to Chicago on interstates, so that doesn't count.

I-69 north at Bloomington has a control city of Indianapolis, but if you head north you have to leave the interstate system to get there.

However, this is only a temporary situation as the rest of I-69 has construction either underway or planned to start soon.

Is there a more permanent example anywhere?
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hotdogPi

Clinched, plus MA 286

Traveled, plus several state routes

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ilpt4u

Phoenix on I-515 SB leaving Downtown Las Vegas...at least until US 93 is much further along being upgraded to I-11

NWI_Irish96

Quote from: 1 on September 17, 2021, 06:14:35 PM
Does Montreal count?

I don't know enough about Canada's highway system. If someone follows a sign for Montreal, are they going to stay on interstate-grade roads? That's really the spirit of what I'm getting at.
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hotdogPi

Quote from: cabiness42 on September 17, 2021, 06:38:34 PM
Quote from: 1 on September 17, 2021, 06:14:35 PM
Does Montreal count?

I don't know enough about Canada's highway system. If someone follows a sign for Montreal, are they going to stay on interstate-grade roads? That's really the spirit of what I'm getting at.

There's a gap in the extension of I-89, which is planned to be filled in, but I-87 has a full freeway connection.
Clinched, plus MA 286

Traveled, plus several state routes

Lowest untraveled: 25 (updated from 14)

New clinches: MA 286
New traveled: MA 14, MA 123

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Bruce

Vancouver BC is not quite served by a freeway-grade connection directly from I-5, since Hwy 99 is an expressway when it crosses into the southern city limit and immediately begins its street section.

I-182 has Walla Walla signed as a control city in a few spots, but obviously doesn't reach that far. US 12 continues there but isn't a full freeway, though one may be built eventually (about half is now expressway-capable).

TheHighwayMan3561

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Not a specific city. but Minnesota's closest qualifier is I-35 northbound using "NORTH SHORE" on pull-throughs starting at Cloquet. I-35 ends in Duluth and you continue up the shore on TH 61.

Of course, Duluth is on the North Shore in the strictest sense even as the term generally refers to the areas beyond Duluth, so...
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Scott5114

I-70 eastbound's control city is Baltimore, but–
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catch22

At the I-75/I-275 split north of Monroe, Michigan, the control city for I-275 is Flint.

To get to Flint via I-275 from here requires taking I-275 to its end, then I-96 to Brighton then US-23 to Flint.

https://goo.gl/maps/EiZcugPRCHSFeonF6


achilles765

So would we count Interstate 55 and 59, which both have New Orleans as the southernmost control city even though neither of them actually makes it to the city itself, instead ending at Interstate 10?
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webny99

Quote from: Scott5114 on September 17, 2021, 07:45:40 PM
I-70 eastbound's control city is Baltimore, but–
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... a Baltimore Beltway-shaped pie comin at you!

ilpt4u

Quote from: achilles765 on September 17, 2021, 07:47:51 PM
So would we count Interstate 55 and 59, which both have New Orleans as the southernmost control city even though neither of them actually makes it to the city itself, instead ending at Interstate 10?
No, because you continue onto I-10 to make it to New Orleans

Just like in the OP, I-65 has a NB Control of Chicago, but ends in Gary, IN. But drivers can use either I-94 or I-90 to continue to Chicago and still be on the Interstate System

The question here, is an Interstate Control that is NOT (directly) reachable by going in the direction of the Control via Interstate Highways (regardless of number)

NWI_Irish96

Quote from: ilpt4u on September 17, 2021, 06:37:31 PM
Phoenix on I-515 SB leaving Downtown Las Vegas...at least until US 93 is much further along being upgraded to I-11

Quote from: thspfc on September 17, 2021, 07:16:00 PM
Two of them on the same sign for the same direction of the same highway: https://www.google.com/maps/@44.4498674,-87.9549305,3a,75y,302.08h,81.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7vjZGVdwafxjXDpakZd_Jg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Marinette and Sturgeon Bay

These examples qualify, yet at the same time they are near where the interstate ends so just about any city you would use as a control city is going to qualify.
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ahj2000

75 not reaching Miami is the first thing that comes into mind for me.

NWI_Irish96

Quote from: ahj2000 on September 17, 2021, 09:49:29 PM
75 not reaching Miami is the first thing that comes into mind for me.

But 75 gets you to Miami via other interstates, so not what I'm looking for.
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CoreySamson

What about something like I-69 and Victoria? I-69's future route takes it through there, but it doesn't reach yet.
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vdeane

Quote from: 1 on September 17, 2021, 06:40:32 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 17, 2021, 06:38:34 PM
Quote from: 1 on September 17, 2021, 06:14:35 PM
Does Montreal count?

I don't know enough about Canada's highway system. If someone follows a sign for Montreal, are they going to stay on interstate-grade roads? That's really the spirit of what I'm getting at.

There's a gap in the extension of I-89, which is planned to be filled in, but I-87 has a full freeway connection.
Nearly full freeway.

Quote from: cabiness42 on September 17, 2021, 09:52:37 PM
Quote from: ahj2000 on September 17, 2021, 09:49:29 PM
75 not reaching Miami is the first thing that comes into mind for me.

But 75 gets you to Miami via other interstates, so not what I'm looking for.
I would think it would count.  This is at I-75's last junction with another interstate heading south.  It ends north of the Miami city limits.
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NWI_Irish96

Quote from: vdeane on September 17, 2021, 10:00:34 PM
Quote from: 1 on September 17, 2021, 06:40:32 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 17, 2021, 06:38:34 PM
Quote from: 1 on September 17, 2021, 06:14:35 PM
Does Montreal count?

I don't know enough about Canada's highway system. If someone follows a sign for Montreal, are they going to stay on interstate-grade roads? That's really the spirit of what I'm getting at.

There's a gap in the extension of I-89, which is planned to be filled in, but I-87 has a full freeway connection.
Nearly full freeway.

Quote from: cabiness42 on September 17, 2021, 09:52:37 PM
Quote from: ahj2000 on September 17, 2021, 09:49:29 PM
75 not reaching Miami is the first thing that comes into mind for me.

But 75 gets you to Miami via other interstates, so not what I'm looking for.
I would think it would count.  This is at I-75's last junction with another interstate heading south.  It ends north of the Miami city limits.

OK, I guess it does count from there. That's weird. Would you really go south on 75 instead of 595 to 95 to get to Miami from there?
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KCRoadFan

Does I-90 in South Dakota have any distance signs for the state's capital of Pierre? That was the first one that came to mind for me - it's about 20 miles off the interstate on US 83.

bassoon1986


Techknow

The Bay Area has one. I-880 has Santa Cruz as a control city which makes sense because when I-880 ends the freeway becomes CA-17 which terminates at Santa Cruz. But otherwise you can't get to Santa Cruz from San Jose without going through a windy expressway!

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.3683644,-121.9085393,3a,75y,116.51h,84.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMYx1NgrM1QNn7RlwPNSP7A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192


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SkyPesos

I-76 WB west of Akron have a control city of Lodi. The interstate ends at I-71, and you have to continue WB on US 224 to get to Lodi.

If the future US 412 interstate between I-35 and I-49 uses Enid as a WB control city, it would be a similar situation as I-76.



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