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Title: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: tolbs17 on July 24, 2021, 10:39:13 PM
Why do some areas get fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere?

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4829682,-78.2448685,3a,69.3y,268.18h,92.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3_7Nid_4oaSdT22GUeZIUQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: renegade on July 24, 2021, 10:45:39 PM
That hardly looks fancy.  It looks like a typical overpass.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: tolbs17 on July 24, 2021, 10:49:55 PM
Quote from: renegade on July 24, 2021, 10:45:39 PM
That hardly looks fancy.  It looks like a typical overpass.
Well, take a look at the concrete girder and the color of the overpass.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 24, 2021, 10:50:05 PM
So fancy?

Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: vdeane on July 25, 2021, 12:01:01 PM
Yeah, that looks like a typical overpass to me.  A nice one, but still.  Now, this (https://www.google.com/maps/@61.2684429,-117.5258691,3a,75y,251.66h,91.08t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipPihC1iXJY5DlnYmPxxlqF5qoxFOcMRudTO78Mt!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPihC1iXJY5DlnYmPxxlqF5qoxFOcMRudTO78Mt%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-20-ya39.00001-ro-0-fo100!7i11264!8i5632) is a fancy bridge in the middle of nowhere!
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: kphoger on July 25, 2021, 05:34:49 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 24, 2021, 10:39:13 PM
Why do some areas get fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere?

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4829682,-78.2448685,3a,69.3y,268.18h,92.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3_7Nid_4oaSdT22GUeZIUQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

That is not fancy.  It is very plain.

definition of fancy:  "elaborate in structure or decoration."
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: tolbs17 on July 25, 2021, 05:38:18 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 25, 2021, 05:34:49 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 24, 2021, 10:39:13 PM
Why do some areas get fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere?

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4829682,-78.2448685,3a,69.3y,268.18h,92.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3_7Nid_4oaSdT22GUeZIUQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

That is not fancy.  It is very plain.

definition of fancy:  "elaborate in structure or decoration."
Well, it looks tan, and the concrete beam looks black.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 25, 2021, 05:45:53 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 25, 2021, 05:38:18 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 25, 2021, 05:34:49 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 24, 2021, 10:39:13 PM
Why do some areas get fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere?

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4829682,-78.2448685,3a,69.3y,268.18h,92.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3_7Nid_4oaSdT22GUeZIUQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

That is not fancy.  It is very plain.

definition of fancy:  "elaborate in structure or decoration."
Well, it looks tan, and the concrete beam looks black.

And that's fancy why?
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: kphoger on July 25, 2021, 06:18:48 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 25, 2021, 05:38:18 PM

Quote from: kphoger on July 25, 2021, 05:34:49 PM

Quote from: tolbs17 on July 24, 2021, 10:39:13 PM
Why do some areas get fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere?

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4829682,-78.2448685,3a,69.3y,268.18h,92.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3_7Nid_4oaSdT22GUeZIUQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

That is not fancy.  It is very plain.

definition of fancy:  "elaborate in structure or decoration."

Well, it looks tan, and the concrete beam looks black.

And that makes it "elaborate" ... how, exactly?
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: tolbs17 on July 25, 2021, 06:27:07 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 25, 2021, 05:45:53 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 25, 2021, 05:38:18 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 25, 2021, 05:34:49 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 24, 2021, 10:39:13 PM
Why do some areas get fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere?

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4829682,-78.2448685,3a,69.3y,268.18h,92.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3_7Nid_4oaSdT22GUeZIUQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

That is not fancy.  It is very plain.

definition of fancy:  "elaborate in structure or decoration."
Well, it looks tan, and the concrete beam looks black.

And that's fancy why?
Cause it reminds me of the Monroe Expressway (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0085967,-80.5068125,3a,48.6y,297.12h,92.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6SdIBHFNJsFyoyAxWWCYhQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)...

Quote from: kphoger on July 25, 2021, 06:18:48 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 25, 2021, 05:38:18 PM

Quote from: kphoger on July 25, 2021, 05:34:49 PM

Quote from: tolbs17 on July 24, 2021, 10:39:13 PM
Why do some areas get fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere?

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4829682,-78.2448685,3a,69.3y,268.18h,92.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3_7Nid_4oaSdT22GUeZIUQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

That is not fancy.  It is very plain.

definition of fancy:  "elaborate in structure or decoration."

Well, it looks tan, and the concrete beam looks black.

And that makes it "elaborate" ... how, exactly?
See the Monroe Expressway and compare the overpasses.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: Duke87 on July 26, 2021, 12:02:52 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 25, 2021, 06:27:07 PM
See the Monroe Expressway and compare the overpasses.

...everything that makes the Monroe Expressway overpass fancy is not present in the other example.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: SkyPesos on July 26, 2021, 12:28:40 AM
You want a fancy freeway overpass? I-65's at IN 46 interchange.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: 1995hoo on July 26, 2021, 09:10:44 AM
Those overpasses, including their color, look much the same as any other. If you want a unique color, I'd say the ones outside the Miami Football Team's stadium (https://goo.gl/maps/3oPbV7MjYwj18yoD9) qualify, even though they repainted one of them that used to be in a "coral" color to match the other color in the team's uniforms.

Or, for something fancy in a different way, the bridge supports at the junction of I-70 and I-75 near Dayton (https://goo.gl/maps/FFXrKxqR25rVufrv6).

Of course, neither of those is in the middle of nowhere.

Perhaps what tolbs17 is getting at in the original post is that both North and South Carolina seem to have a lot of much older overpasses (stuff like this (https://goo.gl/maps/4UgWVo8pEWX7SnzT7) or this (https://goo.gl/maps/B2NsRr7SNKD26whj9)) such that his beef is more with the newer, more modern overpass seen in his original post? If that's the issue, I'm sure it's just a function of an old one having to be rebuilt or replaced such that the reconstruction is to current standards. That's hardly unusual. Note the funky-looking older guardrails on this overpass in Virginia. (https://goo.gl/maps/nLYDBRA7X7UmGZn47) The next interchange to the north used to have the same (and still does on one overpass, though they aren't green), but when the flyover ramp there needed restoration they replaced those guardrails with boring concrete barriers (https://goo.gl/maps/1pjnwDvpCbqRzWZy8).

Unfortunately, monolithic boring sameness is often a cost of "progress."
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: I-35 on July 26, 2021, 05:56:06 PM
Is this bridge (https://goo.gl/maps/8W7wWZ8cK7kepHDT7) fancy?  It is unconventional.

Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: tolbs17 on July 26, 2021, 06:03:49 PM
Quote from: I-35 on July 26, 2021, 05:56:06 PM
Is this bridge (https://goo.gl/maps/8W7wWZ8cK7kepHDT7) fancy?  It is unconventional.
Yes, and I've seen some of those in Virginia aswell.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: cbeach40 on August 10, 2021, 12:00:06 PM
(https://static-nexus.prod.postmedia.digital/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/1022-nb-steer.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=564&type=webp)
https://goo.gl/maps/ELHJ4ZeiTMWFzEeX7


(https://live.staticflickr.com/4445/37651500382_50a645668d_b.jpg)
https://goo.gl/maps/CvYUKigiU2NtM3w77


(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/43/c4/8e/43c48ee5ad3270c2e43e90fd40842f6d.jpg)
https://goo.gl/maps/kKUWr5Kx7JCTsa9o8
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on August 10, 2021, 01:35:49 PM
Made me think of this (https://goo.gl/maps/o47wb8oy9SSfsUja9).  Maybe not the middle of nowhere, but rural. 
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: cbeach40 on August 11, 2021, 10:01:08 AM
And if you're wanting freeway underpasses, Hwy 400 between Toronto and Barrie had a number of bridges stamped with the provincial coat-of-arms, which have been replicated on some of their replacements.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/76/225641186_4dd9cf6364_b.jpg)

(https://www.entuitive.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Bridges_Hwy-400-Line-11_02-500x300.jpg)

Not exactly middle of nowhere today, though when the original structures were built they were.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: MikieTimT on August 11, 2021, 10:08:58 AM
To me, this is the definition of a fancy bridge in the middle of nowhere.  And probably the main reason I-69 in Arkansas will never be completed in our lifetimes.

https://goo.gl/maps/fRrnMUU1rYdo3DY29 (https://goo.gl/maps/fRrnMUU1rYdo3DY29)
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: ozarkman417 on August 11, 2021, 03:18:33 PM
Quote from: cbeach40 on August 11, 2021, 10:01:08 AM
And if you're wanting freeway underpasses, Hwy 400 between Toronto and Barrie had a number of bridges stamped with the provincial coat-of-arms, which have been replicated on some of their replacements.
<image>

<image>

Not exactly middle of nowhere today, though when the original structures were built they were.
Arkansas has been doing something similar with some of their newer over and underpasses in the northwest part of the state, stamping the state's shape on a wall just below the bridge itself. Here is an example of one of them:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51372019656_6989356c9b.jpg)
Northwest Arkansas isn't exactly the middle of nowhere, but this overpass (and several others) are on a rural stretch (for now) of what will soon be I-49.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 03:59:37 PM
Here are two that immediately come to mind:

MN 36 / WI 64 over the St. Croix River (https://www.google.com/maps/@45.0457355,-92.7818371,3a,45y,198.62h,88.95t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXoD1ekc8Y2WST7-YJqC_Qg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), Hudson, WI
US 1 over the Penobscot River (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5588202,-68.7978044,3a,47.5y,271.78h,92.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sN7JVNqUIEMSkhGPpwIlDmg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en), Verona Island, ME
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: MCRoads on August 11, 2021, 04:46:32 PM
New Mexico paints their rural bridges pretty colors, and gives them unique designs pretty much everywhere. Like this (https://goo.gl/maps/gDZQZKn1psiEn3J57), this (https://goo.gl/maps/kKp8c44wm1whcN1x8), or, my personal favorite, this (https://goo.gl/maps/bt9UypDDvZmmyAHD9).

But, I think that this bridge (https://goo.gl/maps/2A6dr2uQREKWczSH7) might take the cake.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: kphoger on August 11, 2021, 04:49:35 PM
Quote from: MCRoads on August 11, 2021, 04:46:32 PM
But, I think that this bridge (https://goo.gl/maps/2A6dr2uQREKWczSH7) might take the cake.

More "middle of nowhere" than this one (https://goo.gl/maps/FiUULesK7Ag8GSnR9)?
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: Flint1979 on August 11, 2021, 10:26:43 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 24, 2021, 10:39:13 PM
Why do some areas get fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere?

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4829682,-78.2448685,3a,69.3y,268.18h,92.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3_7Nid_4oaSdT22GUeZIUQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
What's so fancy about that bridge?
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: Flint1979 on August 11, 2021, 10:31:37 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 26, 2021, 12:28:40 AM
You want a fancy freeway overpass? I-65's at IN 46 interchange.
Also I-94 at US-24.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: dlsterner on August 11, 2021, 11:49:19 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 11, 2021, 10:26:43 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 24, 2021, 10:39:13 PM
Why do some areas get fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere?

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4829682,-78.2448685,3a,69.3y,268.18h,92.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3_7Nid_4oaSdT22GUeZIUQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
What's so fancy about that bridge?
Earlier in the thread, a few weeks ago, the OP did try to justify his assertion.  Although at this point in time you may be waiting a while for the OP to reply.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: froggie on August 12, 2021, 12:39:42 AM
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 03:59:37 PM
MN 36 / WI 64 over the St. Croix River (https://www.google.com/maps/@45.0457355,-92.7818371,3a,45y,198.62h,88.95t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXoD1ekc8Y2WST7-YJqC_Qg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), Hudson, WI

Fancy, yes.  But I wouldn't call Stillwater the "middle of nowhere".

Your Penobscot Narrows example, on the other hand...yes that's pretty rural...
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: webny99 on August 12, 2021, 08:31:23 AM
Quote from: froggie on August 12, 2021, 12:39:42 AM
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 03:59:37 PM
MN 36 / WI 64 over the St. Croix River (https://www.google.com/maps/@45.0457355,-92.7818371,3a,45y,198.62h,88.95t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXoD1ekc8Y2WST7-YJqC_Qg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), Hudson, WI

Fancy, yes.  But I wouldn't call Stillwater the "middle of nowhere".

Maybe not Stillwater itself, but the bridge is sufficiently removed from town that it feels like the middle of nowhere, especially approaching from the Wisconsin side. But once on the Minnesota side, you realize that's not the case pretty quickly!
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: MCRoads on August 14, 2021, 04:01:35 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 11, 2021, 04:49:35 PM
Quote from: MCRoads on August 11, 2021, 04:46:32 PM
But, I think that this bridge (https://goo.gl/maps/2A6dr2uQREKWczSH7) might take the cake.

More "middle of nowhere" than this one (https://goo.gl/maps/FiUULesK7Ag8GSnR9)?

Yeah, I think you might've got me beat there...
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: sparker on August 16, 2021, 04:32:53 AM
Quote from: cbeach40 on August 10, 2021, 12:00:06 PM
(https://static-nexus.prod.postmedia.digital/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/1022-nb-steer.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=564&type=webp)
https://goo.gl/maps/ELHJ4ZeiTMWFzEeX7


(https://live.staticflickr.com/4445/37651500382_50a645668d_b.jpg)
https://goo.gl/maps/CvYUKigiU2NtM3w77


(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/43/c4/8e/43c48ee5ad3270c2e43e90fd40842f6d.jpg)
https://goo.gl/maps/kKUWr5Kx7JCTsa9o8

Hey, it's the Trans-Canada -- nice to have some original bridge design along a nation's premier cross-country route.  Can't fault Ontario for wanting to put their best engineering foot forward on this route -- they sure have plenty of cookie-cutter freeway overpasses on 401 and in the Toronto/Hamilton area in general. 
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on August 10, 2021, 01:35:49 PM
Made me think of this (https://goo.gl/maps/o47wb8oy9SSfsUja9).  Maybe not the middle of nowhere, but rural. 

Take a close look at the deck of that bridge -- it features closely-spaced overhead electrical catenary; it's one of their HSR bridges -- and this example is low-key compared to some of the structures along those rail lines -- particularly the ones that span whole valleys!
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: kkt on August 20, 2021, 12:50:33 AM
Quote from: vdeane on July 25, 2021, 12:01:01 PM
Yeah, that looks like a typical overpass to me.  A nice one, but still.  Now, this (https://www.google.com/maps/@61.2684429,-117.5258691,3a,75y,251.66h,91.08t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipPihC1iXJY5DlnYmPxxlqF5qoxFOcMRudTO78Mt!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPihC1iXJY5DlnYmPxxlqF5qoxFOcMRudTO78Mt%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-20-ya39.00001-ro-0-fo100!7i11264!8i5632) is a fancy bridge in the middle of nowhere!

Hey, I know that bridge!  I saw it under construction when we took the ferryboat that paralleled the bridge.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: Road Hog on August 21, 2021, 11:35:23 AM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on August 11, 2021, 03:18:33 PM
Quote from: cbeach40 on August 11, 2021, 10:01:08 AM
And if you're wanting freeway underpasses, Hwy 400 between Toronto and Barrie had a number of bridges stamped with the provincial coat-of-arms, which have been replicated on some of their replacements.
<image>

<image>

Not exactly middle of nowhere today, though when the original structures were built they were.
Arkansas has been doing something similar with some of their newer over and underpasses in the northwest part of the state, stamping the state's shape on a wall just below the bridge itself. Here is an example of one of them:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51372019656_6989356c9b.jpg)
Northwest Arkansas isn't exactly the middle of nowhere, but this overpass (and several others) are on a rural stretch (for now) of what will soon be I-49.
Arkansas is just copying what Texas has been doing for years now:
(https://d1vhqlrjc8h82r.cloudfront.net/08-19-2021/t_10bf1cf92978455e8a6f1a73af6ac574_name_image.jpg)
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on August 21, 2021, 05:52:25 PM
Quote from: Road Hog on August 21, 2021, 11:35:23 AM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on August 11, 2021, 03:18:33 PM
Quote from: cbeach40 on August 11, 2021, 10:01:08 AM
And if you're wanting freeway underpasses, Hwy 400 between Toronto and Barrie had a number of bridges stamped with the provincial coat-of-arms, which have been replicated on some of their replacements.
<image>

<image>

Not exactly middle of nowhere today, though when the original structures were built they were.
Arkansas has been doing something similar with some of their newer over and underpasses in the northwest part of the state, stamping the state's shape on a wall just below the bridge itself. Here is an example of one of them:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51372019656_6989356c9b.jpg)
Northwest Arkansas isn't exactly the middle of nowhere, but this overpass (and several others) are on a rural stretch (for now) of what will soon be I-49.
Arkansas is just copying what Texas has been doing for years now:
(https://d1vhqlrjc8h82r.cloudfront.net/08-19-2021/t_10bf1cf92978455e8a6f1a73af6ac574_name_image.jpg)

First there were these longhorns (https://goo.gl/maps/84Rs5xhDDf9KzVFJA). Then there is this (https://goo.gl/maps/r21HkU6K94z5fYfu7).
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: US 89 on August 21, 2021, 10:50:44 PM
Hard to beat the pair of big arch bridges on Utah SR 95 over the Colorado and Dirty Devil River for this. They are about 50 miles from any sort of permanent population or even cell signal.

(https://i.imgur.com/9PHYbnR.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/OjHjM3J.jpg)
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: 1995hoo on August 22, 2021, 08:46:16 AM
In terms of truly "middle of nowhere," people who deem cable-stayed bridges to be inherently "fancy" should vote for the Deh Cho Bridge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deh_Cho_Bridge) in the Northwest Territories.

(Edited to add a link.)
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: Bruce on August 25, 2021, 06:15:14 PM
The Ione Bridge, built in 1932 to cross the Pend Oreille River and connect a town of 500 people with some forests tucked away in the northeast corner of Washington state.

(https://i.imgur.com/wOnELbB.jpg)
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: Flint1979 on August 25, 2021, 07:50:39 PM
Does the Mackinac Bridge count? I sure feel like I'm in the middle of nowhere when I'm on it.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: GaryV on August 26, 2021, 07:12:11 AM
Did you ever cross the Mac at night, in winter, in a snowstorm?  Then you truly feel in the middle of nowhere.  Snow is flying toward your windshield and it looks like you're still going up, even after you see (for about 2 seconds) the main cables lowest point.  I know now why pilots crash their planes into a mountain when they didn't believe their instruments.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: Flint1979 on August 26, 2021, 08:03:07 AM
Quote from: GaryV on August 26, 2021, 07:12:11 AM
Did you ever cross the Mac at night, in winter, in a snowstorm?  Then you truly feel in the middle of nowhere.  Snow is flying toward your windshield and it looks like you're still going up, even after you see (for about 2 seconds) the main cables lowest point.  I know now why pilots crash their planes into a mountain when they didn't believe their instruments.
I have and it's an experience to be honest about it. I've come across there at 3 in the morning before with snow flying and you could only see for maybe a quarter of a mile ahead if that. I was driving like 20 mph and it took about 15 minutes to cross it for those 15 minutes it was like omg am I going to make it across. I've also traveled across in some wind gusts before and could feel the bridge moving back and forth when I was on it.

Last time I came across the bridge was about two weeks ago and it was very foggy and you couldn't see anything except for the bridge right in front of you. The fog started going away as I was going through Indian River.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: Flint1979 on August 26, 2021, 02:44:00 PM
Quote from: GaryV on August 26, 2021, 07:12:11 AM
Did you ever cross the Mac at night, in winter, in a snowstorm?  Then you truly feel in the middle of nowhere.  Snow is flying toward your windshield and it looks like you're still going up, even after you see (for about 2 seconds) the main cables lowest point.  I know now why pilots crash their planes into a mountain when they didn't believe their instruments.
Honestly that is the scariest part of the bridge to me is where the suspension cables are even with the bridge deck and your about 200 feet above the water.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: plain on August 26, 2021, 03:46:29 PM
Quote from: Bruce on August 25, 2021, 06:15:14 PM
The Ione Bridge, built in 1932 to cross the Pend Oreille River and connect a town of 500 people with some forests tucked away in the northeast corner of Washington state.

(https://i.imgur.com/wOnELbB.jpg)

That's a pretty clean paint job on that bridge! I hate grated decks though (especially on non-drawbridges) but given its age, it's cool.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: SteveG1988 on September 10, 2021, 10:19:43 PM
Would it count if it is fancy...but on a main road, for example I-80 in PA has two fancy deck trusses that are a bit out of the way from the main settlements in the area. But it is on a main route
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: tolbs17 on September 11, 2021, 08:48:54 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 11, 2021, 10:26:43 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 24, 2021, 10:39:13 PM
Why do some areas get fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere?

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4829682,-78.2448685,3a,69.3y,268.18h,92.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3_7Nid_4oaSdT22GUeZIUQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
What's so fancy about that bridge?
See my earlier posts as dlsterner stated.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: tolbs17 on December 31, 2021, 05:24:08 PM
The Asheboro Bypass in North Carolina has a nice fancy design compared to the Greenville Southwest Bypass which does not. I don't get why they did nothing to enhance the Greenville southwest bypass.

I will post links when I'm not on my phone
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 07:40:38 PM
This bridge can be fancy! I love how it has the curved steel beams where it meets with the piers. These are all over US-70 from Dover to New Bern.

It's a shame that I don't see these types of bridges being built anymore. The ones that get build now are just boring.

https://goo.gl/maps/4jfpSoi7eb34jkMT7

I'll add this in too: https://goo.gl/maps/DkHdGA4F1ADPZ46r6 Also a unique design.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 14, 2022, 07:42:02 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 07:40:38 PM
This bridge can be fancy! I love how it has the curved steel beams where it meets with the piers. These are all over US-70 from Dover to New Bern.

It's a shame that I don't see these types of bridges being built anymore. The ones that get build now are just boring.

https://goo.gl/maps/4jfpSoi7eb34jkMT7

It's not, nor can ever be.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 07:45:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 14, 2022, 07:42:02 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 07:40:38 PM
This bridge can be fancy! I love how it has the curved steel beams where it meets with the piers. These are all over US-70 from Dover to New Bern.

It's a shame that I don't see these types of bridges being built anymore. The ones that get build now are just boring.

https://goo.gl/maps/4jfpSoi7eb34jkMT7

It's not, nor can ever be.
I wonder what makes you say that?
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 14, 2022, 07:47:36 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 07:45:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 14, 2022, 07:42:02 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 07:40:38 PM
This bridge can be fancy! I love how it has the curved steel beams where it meets with the piers. These are all over US-70 from Dover to New Bern.

It's a shame that I don't see these types of bridges being built anymore. The ones that get build now are just boring.

https://goo.gl/maps/4jfpSoi7eb34jkMT7

It's not, nor can ever be.
I wonder what makes you say that?

It's not fancy.  I don't even think many would disagree it is objectively non-fancy.  Also, how is I-42 in the middle of nowhere?
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 14, 2022, 07:57:25 PM
A real fancy bridge in the middle of nowhere; the Mosquito Road Bridge northeast of Placerville:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51105886404_9e304412a1_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kS42wu)0 (https://flic.kr/p/2kS42wu) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51106045683_00a7503098_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kS4QSF)IMG_0310 (https://flic.kr/p/2kS4QSF) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: SkyPesos on February 14, 2022, 07:58:34 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 07:40:38 PM
This bridge can be fancy! I love how it has the curved steel beams where it meets with the piers. These are all over US-70 from Dover to New Bern.

It's a shame that I don't see these types of bridges being built anymore. The ones that get build now are just boring.

https://goo.gl/maps/4jfpSoi7eb34jkMT7

I'll add this in too: https://goo.gl/maps/DkHdGA4F1ADPZ46r6 Also a unique design.
That looks like the most plain bridge i've ever seen. Have you looked outside of North Carolina on Google maps to find some real examples yet?
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 08:00:34 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 14, 2022, 07:47:36 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 07:45:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 14, 2022, 07:42:02 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 07:40:38 PM
This bridge can be fancy! I love how it has the curved steel beams where it meets with the piers. These are all over US-70 from Dover to New Bern.

It's a shame that I don't see these types of bridges being built anymore. The ones that get build now are just boring.

https://goo.gl/maps/4jfpSoi7eb34jkMT7

It's not, nor can ever be.
I wonder what makes you say that?

It's not fancy.  I don't even think many would disagree it is objectively non-fancy.  Also, how is I-42 in the middle of nowhere?
Because it's a Raleigh to Morehead City interstate?
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 08:06:58 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on February 14, 2022, 07:58:34 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 07:40:38 PM
This bridge can be fancy! I love how it has the curved steel beams where it meets with the piers. These are all over US-70 from Dover to New Bern.

It's a shame that I don't see these types of bridges being built anymore. The ones that get build now are just boring.

https://goo.gl/maps/4jfpSoi7eb34jkMT7

I'll add this in too: https://goo.gl/maps/DkHdGA4F1ADPZ46r6 Also a unique design.
That looks like the most plain bridge i've ever seen. Have you looked outside of North Carolina on Google maps to find some real examples yet?
Yes see https://goo.gl/maps/BkD7NxMkKjCwCZAx9

And this https://goo.gl/maps/22hWSiiMnM3fZCKv5

I-295 is probably the nicest highway I've been on...
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: sprjus4 on February 14, 2022, 08:25:26 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 14, 2022, 07:47:36 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 07:45:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 14, 2022, 07:42:02 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 07:40:38 PM
This bridge can be fancy! I love how it has the curved steel beams where it meets with the piers. These are all over US-70 from Dover to New Bern.

It's a shame that I don't see these types of bridges being built anymore. The ones that get build now are just boring.

https://goo.gl/maps/4jfpSoi7eb34jkMT7

It's not, nor can ever be.
I wonder what makes you say that?

It's not fancy.  I don't even think many would disagree it is objectively non-fancy.  Also, how is I-42 in the middle of nowhere?
I-42 is not signed on that stretch.

The AASHTO has recently approved the designation along two segments near Clayton and Goldsboro, both of which connect to existing interstate highways (I-40 and I-795 respectively).

The segment in question was upgraded a couple of years ago to interstate standards by widening the paved shoulders to 10 ft, however until the Kinston Bypass is constructed, connecting the freeway segment near Goldsboro with this one, it will not directly connect to any other interstate highway and therefore cannot be signed.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 14, 2022, 08:53:40 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 08:00:34 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 14, 2022, 07:47:36 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 07:45:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 14, 2022, 07:42:02 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 07:40:38 PM
This bridge can be fancy! I love how it has the curved steel beams where it meets with the piers. These are all over US-70 from Dover to New Bern.

It's a shame that I don't see these types of bridges being built anymore. The ones that get build now are just boring.

https://goo.gl/maps/4jfpSoi7eb34jkMT7

It's not, nor can ever be.
I wonder what makes you say that?

It's not fancy.  I don't even think many would disagree it is objectively non-fancy.  Also, how is I-42 in the middle of nowhere?
Because it's a Raleigh to Morehead City interstate?

So you're saying you don't have a concept of what "the middle of nowhere is?"
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: sprjus4 on February 14, 2022, 08:55:41 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on February 14, 2022, 07:58:34 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 07:40:38 PM
This bridge can be fancy! I love how it has the curved steel beams where it meets with the piers. These are all over US-70 from Dover to New Bern.

It's a shame that I don't see these types of bridges being built anymore. The ones that get build now are just boring.

https://goo.gl/maps/4jfpSoi7eb34jkMT7

I'll add this in too: https://goo.gl/maps/DkHdGA4F1ADPZ46r6 Also a unique design.
That looks like the most plain bridge i've ever seen. Have you looked outside of North Carolina on Google maps to find some real examples yet?
In fairness, North Carolina isn't any less "real"  than any other state.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: SkyPesos on February 14, 2022, 09:00:43 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on February 14, 2022, 08:55:41 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on February 14, 2022, 07:58:34 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 07:40:38 PM
This bridge can be fancy! I love how it has the curved steel beams where it meets with the piers. These are all over US-70 from Dover to New Bern.

It's a shame that I don't see these types of bridges being built anymore. The ones that get build now are just boring.

https://goo.gl/maps/4jfpSoi7eb34jkMT7

I'll add this in too: https://goo.gl/maps/DkHdGA4F1ADPZ46r6 Also a unique design.
That looks like the most plain bridge i’ve ever seen. Have you looked outside of North Carolina on Google maps to find some real examples yet?
In fairness, North Carolina isn’t any less “real” than any other state.
I never said NC isn't a "real" state. Just suggested to Tolbs to look at some other states if he couldn't find any actually fancy bridges in NC that's not just a highway overpass painted in a different color.

His second I-295 VA example looks pretty good to me.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 09:28:40 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 14, 2022, 08:53:40 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 08:00:34 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 14, 2022, 07:47:36 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 07:45:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 14, 2022, 07:42:02 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 07:40:38 PM
This bridge can be fancy! I love how it has the curved steel beams where it meets with the piers. These are all over US-70 from Dover to New Bern.

It's a shame that I don't see these types of bridges being built anymore. The ones that get build now are just boring.

https://goo.gl/maps/4jfpSoi7eb34jkMT7

It's not, nor can ever be.
I wonder what makes you say that?

It's not fancy.  I don't even think many would disagree it is objectively non-fancy.  Also, how is I-42 in the middle of nowhere?
Because it's a Raleigh to Morehead City interstate?

So you're saying you don't have a concept of what "the middle of nowhere is?"
Yes I do have a concept. The middle of nowhere is usually in rural areas
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 14, 2022, 09:37:51 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 09:28:40 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 14, 2022, 08:53:40 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 08:00:34 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 14, 2022, 07:47:36 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 07:45:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 14, 2022, 07:42:02 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 14, 2022, 07:40:38 PM
This bridge can be fancy! I love how it has the curved steel beams where it meets with the piers. These are all over US-70 from Dover to New Bern.

It's a shame that I don't see these types of bridges being built anymore. The ones that get build now are just boring.

https://goo.gl/maps/4jfpSoi7eb34jkMT7

It's not, nor can ever be.
I wonder what makes you say that?

It's not fancy.  I don't even think many would disagree it is objectively non-fancy.  Also, how is I-42 in the middle of nowhere?
Because it's a Raleigh to Morehead City interstate?

So you're saying you don't have a concept of what "the middle of nowhere is?"
Yes I do have a concept. The middle of nowhere is usually in rural areas

You clearly don't since you keep spamming us with boring bridges on heavily traveled Interstates.  But please, don't let me stop you from linking more boring things.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 14, 2022, 09:51:52 PM
Some random fancy/nowhere bridges...

The 1938 Dinkey Creek Bridge which I believe is the only wooden truss span left in California:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48861620773_bc977f33da_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hrJzxt)0 (https://flic.kr/p/2hrJzxt) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

The 1925 Italian Bar Bridge over Lake Redinger:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48718532778_835d5b9bcb_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2he6dt5)0 (https://flic.kr/p/2he6dt5) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

The 1916 Elkhorn Avenue Bridge which I believe was the only Concrete Pony Truss Bridge ever constructed in California:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/915/41835940620_d9073f5120_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26JU8B3)IMG_8943 (https://flic.kr/p/26JU8B3) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

The 1923 Kaweah River Bridge on Mineral King Road:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50027879977_4e956dedcd_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jdMXLM)IMG_7311 (https://flic.kr/p/2jdMXLM) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

The 1943 Arroyo Seco Bridge on Monterey County Route G16:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48801899971_cc4982696a_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hmsuCt)IMG_0852 (https://flic.kr/p/2hmsuCt) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

The Million Dollar Road Bridge at Stevenson Creek Falls.  The falls kind of make the metal deck plate pretty unique I think:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49899945892_2131e97e59_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j2ugqG)0 (https://flic.kr/p/2j2ugqG) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

The ruins of the Douglas Memorial Bridge over the Klamath River.  This was US Route 101 and the bridge was an incredibly concrete arch span.  The bear statutes really stand out given they are fairly distinct:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50482432568_b6b4b786ee_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jUXEqq)0 (https://flic.kr/p/2jUXEqq) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

The Briceburg Bridge over the Merced River:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50197825792_cc1c88ad77_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jtNYK3)IMG_1294 (https://flic.kr/p/2jtNYK3) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

Let us not forget how fancy covered bridges can be...

The Wawona Road Covered Bridge:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49335819978_b4bc82058c_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iaCYrQ)IMG_9739 (https://flic.kr/p/2iaCYrQ) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

The Knights Ferry Covered Bridge:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50574437597_bbf3119698_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2k46dj2)0 (https://flic.kr/p/2k46dj2) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: skluth on April 15, 2022, 05:29:28 PM
Thanks Max for actual examples of fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere. I'm surprised you missed the Bixby Canyon Bridge.

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/13/9e/56/139e56889a4290bd6db51e21ffa8452b--pacific-car-california-honeymoon.jpg)
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 15, 2022, 05:32:27 PM
Quote from: skluth on April 15, 2022, 05:29:28 PM
Thanks Max for actual examples of fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere. I'm surprised you missed the Bixby Canyon Bridge.

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/13/9e/56/139e56889a4290bd6db51e21ffa8452b--pacific-car-california-honeymoon.jpg)

Suffice to say my desire to go out of the mainstream was highly influenced by tolbs and his brand of hyper lame Google Street View posts.

FWIW this the photo I use on my phone Lock Screen:

https://flic.kr/p/CuwEdA
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: skluth on April 15, 2022, 05:36:59 PM
Great shot. One other fancy bridge in the middle of nowhere is this pipeline suspension bridge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Tower_Pipeline_Bridge) over the Mississippi.

(https://bridgehunter.com/photos/10/22/102218-M.jpg)
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: Stephane Dumas on April 17, 2022, 08:02:53 PM
Rupert River bridge on the James Bay highway in Quebec.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/5087/5323448523_2736bcbdd5_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/97q4Me)Rupert River Bridge (https://flic.kr/p/97q4Me) by Dave Laird (https://www.flickr.com/photos/adventureaddict/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: apoginors on April 24, 2022, 02:20:31 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 24, 2021, 10:39:13 PM
Why do some areas get fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere?

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4829682,-78.2448685,3a,69.3y,268.18h,92.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3_7Nid_4oaSdT22GUeZIUQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

To me, it's not fancy at all, just regular bridge
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: cowboy_wilhelm on May 10, 2022, 03:13:29 PM
Morgan Chapel Rd. (https://goo.gl/maps/96rWM9UEdLTrGvcs8) over the N. Pacolet River near Tryon, N.C.
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: hobsini2 on November 10, 2022, 08:58:02 PM
This is still a working draw bridge over the Fox River carrying Hwy K in Eureka WI, west of Oshkosh. Notice the lack of signals. Only gates in one direction.
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.0055591,-88.8434839,3a,75y,149.19h,76.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqAaqjn8cSAS0NVeLp2DuYA!2e0!7i3328!8i1664!5m1!1e1
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: hobsini2 on November 10, 2022, 09:06:45 PM
I drove on this Wire Bridge last summer. You could feel it sway as you drove 10 mph on it. This is between Kingfield and Madison, Maine just off Hwy 27.
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.8905333,-70.0932449,3a,75y,44.37h,98.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sk584VcSc9i-U_AhMZXwvgg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1

On the bridge.
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.8906582,-70.0928965,3a,75y,55.92h,74.37t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sILam6ekZVUk8iC_gAWH35A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DILam6ekZVUk8iC_gAWH35A%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D6.485449%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: formulanone on November 10, 2022, 10:14:10 PM
John James Audubon Bridge carrying Louisiana Highway 10:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/4220/34881074871_de34a14d40_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/V9jCjB)

Title: Re: Fancy bridges in the middle of nowhere
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 10, 2022, 10:59:47 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on November 10, 2022, 08:58:02 PM
This is still a working draw bridge over the Fox River carrying Hwy K in Eureka WI, west of Oshkosh. Notice the lack of signals. Only gates in one direction.
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.0055591,-88.8434839,3a,75y,149.19h,76.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqAaqjn8cSAS0NVeLp2DuYA!2e0!7i3328!8i1664!5m1!1e1

In that direction there is a flasher prior to the gate, although in this view the gate is hidden with the poor resolution image.  https://goo.gl/maps/qGHesPtJAnzZQJEe8

And a gate in the other direction, with a flashing red light *after* the gate. https://goo.gl/maps/hT4H3f3itmgYEAwj9