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Started by mukade, October 25, 2012, 09:27:04 PM

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Great Lakes Roads

#3075
The Link 101 project in southern Indiana is NOT moving forward...

On the project page (https://link101corridor.com/):
"The proposed Link 101 project is not moving forward. The Indiana Department of Transportation (INDOT) continuously reevaluates its priorities, and as the Preliminary Alternatives Screening Report was completed, the milestone marked a logical point to reevaluate this project.

A combination of higher than anticipated construction costs, low projected travel benefits, and public feedback sessions that overwhelmingly supported a more moderate approach led to the decision to forego a broader new-terrain project. Instead, INDOT will prioritize preservation of local corridor assets, in line with public feedback.

The preliminary alternatives recommendations had anticipated costs of $350 million to more than $450 million. The anticipated cost is a substantial increase from the original estimated cost of $200 million that was announced in 2021. In addition to higher than anticipated costs, lower traffic volumes limit total benefits to users. There has also been widespread opposition voiced to the project, both in public meetings and through project communication channels."

-Jay Seaburg


NWI_Irish96

Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on May 01, 2024, 12:13:51 PMThe Link 101 project in southern Indiana is NOT moving forward...

On the project page (https://link101corridor.com/):
"The proposed Link 101 project is not moving forward. The Indiana Department of Transportation (INDOT) continuously reevaluates its priorities, and as the Preliminary Alternatives Screening Report was completed, the milestone marked a logical point to reevaluate this project.

A combination of higher than anticipated construction costs, low projected travel benefits, and public feedback sessions that overwhelmingly supported a more moderate approach led to the decision to forego a broader new-terrain project. Instead, INDOT will prioritize preservation of local corridor assets, in line with public feedback.

The preliminary alternatives recommendations had anticipated costs of $350 million to more than $450 million. The anticipated cost is a substantial increase from the original estimated cost of $200 million that was announced in 2021. In addition to higher than anticipated costs, lower traffic volumes limit total benefits to users. There has also been widespread opposition voiced to the project, both in public meetings and through project communication channels."



You essentially have a route to connect those segments of IN 101 already.

US 50 W -> IN 262 W -> Bear Branch Rd S -> Fairview Rd S -> IN 56 W -> IN 156 E

I've driven both of those county roads and they are in decent shap. If they wanted to upgrade them to state highway standards so that they could sign IN 101, I wouldn't be against it, but with GPS people can find that route without the signage.

Building any new terrain roadway was never feasible. There just aren't enough people going from here to there.
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silverback1065

a new giant arrow per lane sign has been installed just after the MLK/West street interchange on SB 65. probably there to direct drivers into the correct lane for the north split interchange and collector just down the road. major backups have been happening worse than before construction have been happening and it appears to be because people are confused. maybe this will help.

cjw2001

Just spent a little time watching the Washington Street ramp at I465 traffic camera to see how the new ramp metering is doing.  Have to say the drivers are more clueless than I expected.  Some ignore the light and drive right through and some are stopping far in advance of the red light so that the signal doesn't detect their presence and doesn't give them a green.  Eventually the sensors further down the ramp detect the backup and let everyone through to clear the ramp.  Not a good start.


Great Lakes Roads

Quote from: cjw2001 on May 14, 2024, 01:29:13 PMJust spent a little time watching the Washington Street ramp at I465 traffic camera to see how the new ramp metering is doing.  Have to say the drivers are more clueless than I expected.  Some ignore the light and drive right through and some are stopping far in advance of the red light so that the signal doesn't detect their presence and doesn't give them a green.  Eventually the sensors further down the ramp detect the backup and let everyone through to clear the ramp.  Not a good start.



Just watched a few minutes of the ramp meters being activated, and people are so dumb that it backed the traffic to the intersection... Kinda knew that it was going to be a s**t storm when activated!
-Jay Seaburg

Interstate 69 Fan

#3080
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on May 14, 2024, 02:46:35 PM
Quote from: cjw2001 on May 14, 2024, 01:29:13 PMJust spent a little time watching the Washington Street ramp at I465 traffic camera to see how the new ramp metering is doing.  Have to say the drivers are more clueless than I expected.  Some ignore the light and drive right through and some are stopping far in advance of the red light so that the signal doesn't detect their presence and doesn't give them a green.  Eventually the sensors further down the ramp detect the backup and let everyone through to clear the ramp.  Not a good start.



Just watched a few minutes of the ramp meters being activated, and people are so dumb that it backed the traffic to the intersection... Kinda knew that it was going to be a s**t storm when activated!
Looks like that's the case at US 52 as well. Would not surprise me if Emerson sees it soon too. What an absolute waste of INDOT's time and money.

Edit: People are literally completely ignoring the Emerson Avenue ones. Saw nobody stop for a good 2-3 minutes!
Apparently I’m a fan of I-69.  Who knew.

cjw2001


tosa

Quote from: cjw2001 on May 14, 2024, 01:29:13 PMJust spent a little time watching the Washington Street ramp at I465 traffic camera to see how the new ramp metering is doing.  Have to say the drivers are more clueless than I expected.  Some ignore the light and drive right through and some are stopping far in advance of the red light so that the signal doesn't detect their presence and doesn't give them a green.  Eventually the sensors further down the ramp detect the backup and let everyone through to clear the ramp.  Not a good start.



Milwaukee has had this in I-41 for over 20 years (when it was still called 894), and there were no issues with it. I just can't understand why people here are so dumb. :)

cjw2001

Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on May 14, 2024, 03:10:28 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on May 14, 2024, 02:46:35 PM
Quote from: cjw2001 on May 14, 2024, 01:29:13 PMJust spent a little time watching the Washington Street ramp at I465 traffic camera to see how the new ramp metering is doing.  Have to say the drivers are more clueless than I expected.  Some ignore the light and drive right through and some are stopping far in advance of the red light so that the signal doesn't detect their presence and doesn't give them a green.  Eventually the sensors further down the ramp detect the backup and let everyone through to clear the ramp.  Not a good start.



Just watched a few minutes of the ramp meters being activated, and people are so dumb that it backed the traffic to the intersection... Kinda knew that it was going to be a s**t storm when activated!
Looks like that's the case at US 52 as well. Would not surprise me if Emerson sees it soon too. What an absolute waste of INDOT's time and money.

Edit: People are literally completely ignoring the Emerson Avenue ones. Saw nobody stop for a good 2-3 minutes!
Well the meters are not active 100% of the time.   Were you able to see the red light and people were ignoring or just saw the traffic not stopping?

cjw2001

Quote from: tosa on May 15, 2024, 12:21:25 PM
Quote from: cjw2001 on May 14, 2024, 01:29:13 PMJust spent a little time watching the Washington Street ramp at I465 traffic camera to see how the new ramp metering is doing.  Have to say the drivers are more clueless than I expected.  Some ignore the light and drive right through and some are stopping far in advance of the red light so that the signal doesn't detect their presence and doesn't give them a green.  Eventually the sensors further down the ramp detect the backup and let everyone through to clear the ramp.  Not a good start.



Milwaukee has had this in I-41 for over 20 years (when it was still called 894), and there were no issues with it. I just can't understand why people here are so dumb. :)

Think it is going a bit smoother today.  INDOT added some message boards telling drivers to pull to the line to activate the signal.

silverback1065


kernals12

Anyone else notice the pavement on I-70 south of Downtown Indy makes a "baaah" sound like a sheep?

silverback1065

Quote from: kernals12 on May 19, 2024, 02:24:11 PMAnyone else notice the pavement on I-70 south of Downtown Indy makes a "baaah" sound like a sheep?

Actually I call that section the "galloping horse" pavement  :-D  sounds like hooves hitting the pavement when I drive on it!  :-D 

jnewkirk77

There's about a half-mile stretch of I-69 southbound between I-64 and SR 57 that does this, too. When I was delivering for Amazon, I would go this way to head back to the warehouse, and the truck and its interior metal fixtures would get a resonance going that was almost musical.

kernals12

I don't know why, but I-70 from the Ohio border to Indy felt a lot shorter than from Indy to the Illinois border.

tdindy88

Well from the Marion County line to the Ohio line on I-70 is 62 miles. From the Marion County line to Illinois is 68 miles, so technically the Indy to Ohio stretch is shorter.

westerninterloper

I just drove I-70 across Indiana in both directions, and wow, that road is in bad shape almost its entire length. Especially in the right lanes, its clear the likely-original concrete is collapsing and needs a total rebuild.

Around mile 15 on eastbound 70, cars and semis hopped over one crevasse in the road, there are awful potholes, etc.

I don't know that any other road is in such bad shape in Indiana, though I drive from Detroit to Terre Haute, so I usually only am on I-69 and I-70. Ohio's interstates are much better maintained.

What's going on with that highway - is there a big plan to rebuild it soon? It needs significant attention.
Nostalgia: Indiana's State Religion

Interstate 69 Fan

Quote from: westerninterloper on May 20, 2024, 10:35:21 AMI just drove I-70 across Indiana in both directions, and wow, that road is in bad shape almost its entire length. Especially in the right lanes, its clear the likely-original concrete is collapsing and needs a total rebuild.

Around mile 15 on eastbound 70, cars and semis hopped over one crevasse in the road, there are awful potholes, etc.

I don't know that any other road is in such bad shape in Indiana, though I drive from Detroit to Terre Haute, so I usually only am on I-69 and I-70. Ohio's interstates are much better maintained.

What's going on with that highway - is there a big plan to rebuild it soon? It needs significant attention.
Most pavement state-wide is in a very bad shape, especially across Indianapolis. Potholes are everywhere, and there are so many trucks and traffic on the highways with Indiana's wild weather roller coasters that it's near impossible for INDOT to keep up with new ones. And with all the traffic, those potholes can grow in size and depth very quickly.
Apparently I’m a fan of I-69.  Who knew.

cjw2001


jnewkirk77

Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on May 20, 2024, 02:36:28 PM
Quote from: westerninterloper on May 20, 2024, 10:35:21 AMI just drove I-70 across Indiana in both directions, and wow, that road is in bad shape almost its entire length. Especially in the right lanes, its clear the likely-original concrete is collapsing and needs a total rebuild.

Around mile 15 on eastbound 70, cars and semis hopped over one crevasse in the road, there are awful potholes, etc.

I don't know that any other road is in such bad shape in Indiana, though I drive from Detroit to Terre Haute, so I usually only am on I-69 and I-70. Ohio's interstates are much better maintained.

What's going on with that highway - is there a big plan to rebuild it soon? It needs significant attention.
Most pavement state-wide is in a very bad shape, especially across Indianapolis. Potholes are everywhere, and there are so many trucks and traffic on the highways with Indiana's wild weather roller coasters that it's near impossible for INDOT to keep up with new ones. And with all the traffic, those potholes can grow in size and depth very quickly.

Full-depth rebuilds aren't holding up, either. Come and drive SR 66 between Rockport and the SR 70 junction west of Troy - which was completely closed for 2 construction seasons less than 5 years ago. The base under the shoulders has failed and caused the outer part of both lanes to sink. Don't have to guess what that feels like in the rain, or honestly any other time. If I go to Tell City, I most often just drive up 231 and take 70 east. Much better road.

silverback1065

not sure I completely agree. 74, 69, and 65 (south of lafayette down to louisville) aren't in too bad of shape. 70 is a mess.

westerninterloper

Quote from: jnewkirk77 on May 21, 2024, 09:08:54 AM
Quote from: Interstate 69 Fan on May 20, 2024, 02:36:28 PM
Quote from: westerninterloper on May 20, 2024, 10:35:21 AMI just drove I-70 across Indiana in both directions, and wow, that road is in bad shape almost its entire length. Especially in the right lanes, its clear the likely-original concrete is collapsing and needs a total rebuild.

Around mile 15 on eastbound 70, cars and semis hopped over one crevasse in the road, there are awful potholes, etc.

I don't know that any other road is in such bad shape in Indiana, though I drive from Detroit to Terre Haute, so I usually only am on I-69 and I-70. Ohio's interstates are much better maintained.

What's going on with that highway - is there a big plan to rebuild it soon? It needs significant attention.
Most pavement state-wide is in a very bad shape, especially across Indianapolis. Potholes are everywhere, and there are so many trucks and traffic on the highways with Indiana's wild weather roller coasters that it's near impossible for INDOT to keep up with new ones. And with all the traffic, those potholes can grow in size and depth very quickly.

Full-depth rebuilds aren't holding up, either. Come and drive SR 66 between Rockport and the SR 70 junction west of Troy - which was completely closed for 2 construction seasons less than 5 years ago. The base under the shoulders has failed and caused the outer part of both lanes to sink. Don't have to guess what that feels like in the rain, or honestly any other time. If I go to Tell City, I most often just drive up 231 and take 70 east. Much better road.

I wonder if this has to do with the "public-private" partnership approach under Governor Daniels - I recall that essentially fell apart with the second or third phase of the I-69 build, fly-by-night private companies would underbid established road construction companies, but not be able to handle the work. Perhaps the results of this approach are showing now across the state?
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silverback1065

Looks like SR 301 no longer exists between SR 124 and US 224.

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