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New Cline Avenue Bridge Set to Open in 2019 [NW Indiana]

Started by Beltway, June 17, 2017, 11:21:49 PM

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NWI_Irish96

Quote from: inkyatari on February 21, 2018, 11:27:56 AM
Combine the Chicago Skyway and the Cline Ave. Bridge into an interstate tollway.

Yeah, pipe dream with obvious problems, but my thinking is that if you combine both somehow, it may keep more people on Cline, as well as most likely be a better value for the motorist. I've been known to be wrong, and I feel I'm wrong on this, but one can dream..

The old Cline Ave freeway, and the new one if/when it is ever finished, connects to the Toll Road at both ends, with the northwestern end 2-3 miles from the Skyway.  It's never been intended for, nor has it really been used for thru traffic.  It's for people heading to the Steel Mills and casinos from other points in Indiana or from Chicago. 
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Super Mateo

So basically, Indiana has decided to do some Re-Cline-ing.  Nice.

mrsman

Quote from: NE2 on February 16, 2018, 03:11:45 PM
QuoteIndiana later proposed to extend I-294 east on the current Borman Expressway to Indiana State Route 912, before having it turn north at that point, west at U.S. Route 12, and then back to I-94, most likely somewhere on the Bishop Ford Freeway near 130th Street. The request was denied.[citation needed]

QuoteThe request was denied.[citation needed]

QuoteThe request was denied.[citation needed]

What the fuck is wrong with you?

I'm glad this request was denied.  I-294 would be really confusing if it traveled along the Borman away from the city and then doubled back and headed back into the city.

(For an example of something similar, refer to proposed I-295 in NJ/PA which will happen when the Delaware Expy and the Penn Turnpike interchange is completed.)

ChiMilNet

It looks like the bridge that collapsed in FL used the same engineer as the currently under construction Cline Ave. Bridge.

http://abc7chicago.com/engineers-behind-collapsed-fla-bridge-involved-in-east-chicago-project/3223988/

Revive 755

Quote from: cabiness42 on February 21, 2018, 11:41:03 AM
Quote from: inkyatari on February 21, 2018, 11:27:56 AM
Combine the Chicago Skyway and the Cline Ave. Bridge into an interstate tollway.

Yeah, pipe dream with obvious problems, but my thinking is that if you combine both somehow, it may keep more people on Cline, as well as most likely be a better value for the motorist. I've been known to be wrong, and I feel I'm wrong on this, but one can dream..

The old Cline Ave freeway, and the new one if/when it is ever finished, connects to the Toll Road at both ends, with the northwestern end 2-3 miles from the Skyway.  It's never been intended for, nor has it really been used for thru traffic.  It's for people heading to the Steel Mills and casinos from other points in Indiana or from Chicago. 

The 1971 Interim Chicago Area Transportation Study plan (can accessed from this site) did include an extension west to I-57.

edwaleni

Quote from: Revive 755 on April 05, 2018, 09:07:40 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on February 21, 2018, 11:41:03 AM
Quote from: inkyatari on February 21, 2018, 11:27:56 AM
Combine the Chicago Skyway and the Cline Ave. Bridge into an interstate tollway.

Yeah, pipe dream with obvious problems, but my thinking is that if you combine both somehow, it may keep more people on Cline, as well as most likely be a better value for the motorist. I've been known to be wrong, and I feel I'm wrong on this, but one can dream..

The old Cline Ave freeway, and the new one if/when it is ever finished, connects to the Toll Road at both ends, with the northwestern end 2-3 miles from the Skyway.  It's never been intended for, nor has it really been used for thru traffic.  It's for people heading to the Steel Mills and casinos from other points in Indiana or from Chicago. 

The 1971 Interim Chicago Area Transportation Study plan (can accessed from this site) did include an extension west to I-57.

This is a great link with historical perspectives on greater Chicago transportation planning.  The CATS-1960 planning document estimating requirements until 1980 was great stuff.  I am going to pass this on to some urban planning gurus who didn't grow up in this era.

NWI_Irish96

The new bridge is scheduled to open in 2020 (haven't seen anything more specific than this).  Since the new bridge will be privately owned and not owned by INDOT, I wonder what's going to happen with IN 912.  INDOT does not sign routes on roads that it does not own and maintain, but I wonder if this might be a candidate for an exception.  Otherwise it will be a two mile unsigned segment connecting two separate segments of the same route.
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Beltway

I viewed the project 2 weeks ago.

Most of the spans have been placed, but some have not.

They have a lot of work to do if they want to open it in 2020.
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CLINE AVENUE BRIDGE IN INDIANA MORE THAN HALFWAY COMPLETE
The 343rd concrete segment out of 685 segments has been secured in its place within the bridge
MARCH 06, 2020

The builders of the Cline Avenue Bridge in East Chicago, Indiana, recently announced that the bridge construction project is more than halfway finished and steadily advancing towards completion.

Work on the bridge–which is owned and operated by United Bridge Partners–just marked another milestone by securing the 343rd concrete segment in its place within the bridge. With the erection of this segment–one of 685–the bridge is now intact from the west end up to the Indiana Harbor and Ship Canal.

When finished, the bridge will carry two lanes of traffic in and out of East Chicago over railroad tracks and the Indiana Harbor Canal. A four-lane bridge previously served as a connector for over 30 years, but in 2008 it was demolished. When complete, the new Cline Avenue Bridge will be 6,236 ft long with 170- to 300-ft spans. The main span over the Indiana Harbor Canal will be about 316 ft.

While segment erection progresses from the west end of the mile-long new construction to the east, finishing touches are being added to the driving deck, including the addition of lighting structures, fabrication of barrier walls, and installation of the tolling system.

Since Cline Avenue Bridge construction began in June 2017, the foundations and support columns have been constructed, existing steel bridge preservation work is complete, all the segments have been fabricated, and now superstructure erection has surpassed the halfway point.

When the bridge opens to the public later this year, it will serve as the Gateway of Lake County and help reduce congestion and emissions, spur economic growth, and provide local first responders with a more efficient route while making Lake County, Indiana, more accessible to all.
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NWI_Irish96

Quote from: silverback1065 on March 18, 2020, 06:49:40 PM
will the old exits come back?

The parts of the road that have the exits are still there.  The southern leg between I-80/94 and Michigan Ave is still there and open in both directions.  The western leg between Calumet Ave and Riley Road is still there but only open westbound.  All that's missing is the bridge that connect the two legs.
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silverback1065

the riley road exit was demolished.  looks like 912 is signed along riley and dickey roads like indot originally proposed right now.

NWI_Irish96

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ChiMilNet

Quote from: cabiness42 on September 09, 2020, 09:22:27 AM
Work on the new Cline Avenue Bridge ground to a halt in April.

https://www.nwitimes.com/business/local/cline-avenue-bridge-project-shut-down-workers-laid-off-union-official-says/article_dc1b82d0-ea7d-598c-be92-914ff7650b53.html

Apparently, the primary contractor was out of compliance and was fired. The owners are suing their insurer to get them to pay to get the project finished.

https://www.nwitimes.com/business/local/insurer-hit-with-105m-lawsuit-over-cline-avenue-bridge/article_3a84a6ae-0733-5979-bc55-c542b5e06849.html

I am seeing missteps here on both sides. What's sad is that the people living in this region who would really depend on this connection are now stuck another year+ without this. I know public/private partnerships are a trend, but I think issues we have seen in Indiana (Toll Road condition being another) should give some notable pause to this, especially with ongoing rumblings of going that route here in Illinois.

silverback1065

i think it's embarrassing that INDOT didn't just do this project and keep their road. they basically did an inspection, said o we need to close this, but we dont feel like actually fixing it.

JoePCool14

Quote from: silverback1065 on September 09, 2020, 01:17:42 PM
i think it's embarrassing that INDOT didn't just do this project and keep their road. they basically did an inspection, said o we need to close this, but we dont feel like actually fixing it.

It's rather disgraceful. Only on Cline Ave. would this be acceptable. Anywhere else, a decade plus without a bridge would be completely intolerable.

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SteveG1988

Quote from: JoePCool14 on September 09, 2020, 10:30:22 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on September 09, 2020, 01:17:42 PM
i think it's embarrassing that INDOT didn't just do this project and keep their road. they basically did an inspection, said o we need to close this, but we dont feel like actually fixing it.

It's rather disgraceful. Only on Cline Ave. would this be acceptable. Anywhere else, a decade plus without a bridge would be completely intolerable.

INDOT should do a Pier review on this project.
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ChiMilNet

Quote from: JoePCool14 on September 09, 2020, 10:30:22 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on September 09, 2020, 01:17:42 PM
i think it's embarrassing that INDOT didn't just do this project and keep their road. they basically did an inspection, said o we need to close this, but we dont feel like actually fixing it.

It's rather disgraceful. Only on Cline Ave. would this be acceptable. Anywhere else, a decade plus without a bridge would be completely intolerable.

It really is, and it's not like NW Indiana doesn't have a decent amount of people in it. Not to mention this is in Chicagoland! Sadly, this gets quite looked over from the region as a whole...

Revive 755

Quote from: JoePCool14 on September 09, 2020, 10:30:22 PM
Anywhere else, a decade plus without a bridge would be completely intolerable.

Didn't St. Louis, Missouri go 10 years without the Eads Bridge, and also have a multi-year closure of the McKinley Bridge partially overlapping?

ChiMilNet

Quote from: Revive 755 on September 10, 2020, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on September 09, 2020, 10:30:22 PM
Anywhere else, a decade plus without a bridge would be completely intolerable.

Didn't St. Louis, Missouri go 10 years without the Eads Bridge, and also have a multi-year closure of the McKinley Bridge partially overlapping?

The big difference here is that Cline Ave is a full freeway and a primary connector in that part of the region. The Eads/McKinley are more secondary and are not freeways.

NWI_Irish96

Quote from: ChiMilNet on September 11, 2020, 12:15:42 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on September 10, 2020, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on September 09, 2020, 10:30:22 PM
Anywhere else, a decade plus without a bridge would be completely intolerable.

Didn't St. Louis, Missouri go 10 years without the Eads Bridge, and also have a multi-year closure of the McKinley Bridge partially overlapping?

The big difference here is that Cline Ave is a full freeway and a primary connector in that part of the region. The Eads/McKinley are more secondary and are not freeways.

One thing I will say about the Cline Ave is that it isn't really a "through route". It's used to get somewhere, namely the steel plants and casinos, but it isn't a route that's used on the way from one route to another. That makes it a little bit lower priority than your average freeway. It still needs to get done, but I understand why the state didn't prioritize it over adding a 3rd travel lane to I-65, among other things.
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ChiMilNet

Quote from: cabiness42 on September 11, 2020, 07:27:28 AM
Quote from: ChiMilNet on September 11, 2020, 12:15:42 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on September 10, 2020, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on September 09, 2020, 10:30:22 PM
Anywhere else, a decade plus without a bridge would be completely intolerable.

Didn't St. Louis, Missouri go 10 years without the Eads Bridge, and also have a multi-year closure of the McKinley Bridge partially overlapping?

The big difference here is that Cline Ave is a full freeway and a primary connector in that part of the region. The Eads/McKinley are more secondary and are not freeways.

One thing I will say about the Cline Ave is that it isn't really a "through route". It's used to get somewhere, namely the steel plants and casinos, but it isn't a route that's used on the way from one route to another. That makes it a little bit lower priority than your average freeway. It still needs to get done, but I understand why the state didn't prioritize it over adding a 3rd travel lane to I-65, among other things.

If coming into Chicago from anywhere in NW Indiana, it is a nice alternate and less congested route from 80/94 to the Toll Road/Skyway. Agreed that the 3rd lane on I-65 was a much higher need, but still amazing that Indiana just allowed a full freeway bridge to sit 11 years and counting closed to any trough traffic.

NWI_Irish96

Quote from: ChiMilNet on September 11, 2020, 09:44:25 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 11, 2020, 07:27:28 AM
Quote from: ChiMilNet on September 11, 2020, 12:15:42 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on September 10, 2020, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on September 09, 2020, 10:30:22 PM
Anywhere else, a decade plus without a bridge would be completely intolerable.

Didn't St. Louis, Missouri go 10 years without the Eads Bridge, and also have a multi-year closure of the McKinley Bridge partially overlapping?

The big difference here is that Cline Ave is a full freeway and a primary connector in that part of the region. The Eads/McKinley are more secondary and are not freeways.

One thing I will say about the Cline Ave is that it isn't really a "through route". It's used to get somewhere, namely the steel plants and casinos, but it isn't a route that's used on the way from one route to another. That makes it a little bit lower priority than your average freeway. It still needs to get done, but I understand why the state didn't prioritize it over adding a 3rd travel lane to I-65, among other things.

If coming into Chicago from anywhere in NW Indiana, it is a nice alternate and less congested route from 80/94 to the Toll Road/Skyway. Agreed that the 3rd lane on I-65 was a much higher need, but still amazing that Indiana just allowed a full freeway bridge to sit 11 years and counting closed to any trough traffic.

The section from I-80/94 to the southeastern of the two Toll Road interchanges is still open, so you can still get between the two.
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ChiMilNet

Quote from: cabiness42 on September 11, 2020, 09:52:39 AM
Quote from: ChiMilNet on September 11, 2020, 09:44:25 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 11, 2020, 07:27:28 AM
Quote from: ChiMilNet on September 11, 2020, 12:15:42 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on September 10, 2020, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on September 09, 2020, 10:30:22 PM
Anywhere else, a decade plus without a bridge would be completely intolerable.

Didn't St. Louis, Missouri go 10 years without the Eads Bridge, and also have a multi-year closure of the McKinley Bridge partially overlapping?

The big difference here is that Cline Ave is a full freeway and a primary connector in that part of the region. The Eads/McKinley are more secondary and are not freeways.

One thing I will say about the Cline Ave is that it isn't really a "through route". It's used to get somewhere, namely the steel plants and casinos, but it isn't a route that's used on the way from one route to another. That makes it a little bit lower priority than your average freeway. It still needs to get done, but I understand why the state didn't prioritize it over adding a 3rd travel lane to I-65, among other things.

If coming into Chicago from anywhere in NW Indiana, it is a nice alternate and less congested route from 80/94 to the Toll Road/Skyway. Agreed that the 3rd lane on I-65 was a much higher need, but still amazing that Indiana just allowed a full freeway bridge to sit 11 years and counting closed to any trough traffic.

The section from I-80/94 to the southeastern of the two Toll Road interchanges is still open, so you can still get between the two.

True, although you have a classic Breezewood situation at the currently open Tollroad Interchange.



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