Quote from: jlam on October 04, 2021, 10:19:32 PMI-76?
I-25 is the only x5 interstate to interchange with only x0 2dis.
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 04, 2021, 10:20:29 PMI can't believe I forgot the 76.Quote from: jlam on October 04, 2021, 10:19:32 PMI-76?
I-25 is the only x5 interstate to interchange with only x0 2dis.
You're right historically though, when I-76 was I-80S.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on October 04, 2021, 11:54:20 PMHow common is it for a US route to share the same number with the state route it replaced in a state? Besides what you had for US 12 in WI and MN, US 6 in Indiana used to be IN 6.
For its entre length in Wisconsin and a connecting piece of it in Minnesota, what became US 12 was coincidentally already called State Highway 12 in both states.
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 04, 2021, 11:57:34 PMQuote from: TheHighwayMan394 on October 04, 2021, 11:54:20 PMHow common is it for a US route to share the same number with the state route it replaced in a state? Besides what you had for US 12 in WI and MN, US 6 in Indiana used to be IN 6.
For its entre length in Wisconsin and a connecting piece of it in Minnesota, what became US 12 was coincidentally already called State Highway 12 in both states.
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 04, 2021, 11:57:34 PMQuote from: TheHighwayMan394 on October 04, 2021, 11:54:20 PMHow common is it for a US route to share the same number with the state route it replaced in a state? Besides what you had for US 12 in WI and MN, US 6 in Indiana used to be IN 6.
For its entre length in Wisconsin and a connecting piece of it in Minnesota, what became US 12 was coincidentally already called State Highway 12 in both states.
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March 27, 2010: The most common types of bridge on the Interstate System:
Stringer/Multi-beam or girder: 32,084 (58 percent)
Culvert: 8,203 (15 percent)
Slab: 5,449 (10 percent)
Box beam or girders (multiple): 3,555 (6 percent)
Tee beam: 3,009 (5 percent)
The Interstate System includes 22 suspension bridges.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 05, 2021, 10:27:22 AM
Isn't US 101 considered a two digit US Route with the "10" being an analog first digit?
Quote from: HighwayStar on October 05, 2021, 12:08:16 PMNeither does [insert examples of countless other routes that also don't serve the downtown of a control city they're signed for] :bigass:
I-70 does not in fact go to Baltimore, the signs are mistaken. :bigass:
Quote from: HighwayStar on October 05, 2021, 12:08:16 PMThe whole "I-70 Baltimore" thing is what had me thinking about the number of x5s each x0 interstate interchanges with lol, as I-70 is the only x0 (excluding I-30 as usual) that doesn't meet I-95.
I-70 does not in fact go to Baltimore, the signs are mistaken. :bigass:
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 04, 2021, 10:16:49 PM
Post whatever random facts about interstates or US routes you have that you find interesting here. They can be as obvious, or as obscure as you like. I had plenty of facts over the past few weeks, but forgot about what all of them are about. Here's two I thought of in the shower today:
Of the x0 interstates (excluding wannabe I-30), I-10 interchanges with the most x5 interstates, while I-70 interchanges with the least. And none of them meet all 10 of them.
90: 5, 15, 25, 35, 55, 65, 75, 95 (8)
80: 5, 15, 25, 35, 55, 65, 75, 95 (8)
70: 15, 25, 35, 55, 65, 75 (6)
40: 15, 25, 35, 55, 65, 75, 85, 95 (8)
20: 35, 45, 55, 65, 75, 85, 95 (7)
10: 5, 15, 25, 35, 45, 55, 65, 75, 95 (9)
Speaking of I-70, it's the only x0 without a 5xx 3di, a common odd first digit for 3dis for some reason, and sometimes, the only odd first digit 3di an interstate has (516, 520, 530, 579, etc). Also, I-40 doesn't have a 3xx 3di, another common first digit.
Quote from: Mr. Matté on October 05, 2021, 12:17:33 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/3hP7mqN.png)
Quote from: jayhawkco on October 05, 2021, 10:24:07 AM
AADT Facts
Lowest (signed, not at a border) 2di: 1,700 in I-84 in Oregon just east of the I-82 intersection
Quote from: I-35 on October 05, 2021, 12:43:21 PMQuote from: jayhawkco on October 05, 2021, 10:24:07 AM
AADT Facts
Lowest (signed, not at a border) 2di: 1,700 in I-84 in Oregon just east of the I-82 intersection
This surprises me, as it suggests there is a higher amount of EB 84 traffic exiting towards 82 WB (and vice versa) - is there really more Tri Cities-PDX traffic than Boise-PDX traffic?
Quote from: jayhawkco on October 05, 2021, 12:54:57 PMQuote from: I-35 on October 05, 2021, 12:43:21 PMQuote from: jayhawkco on October 05, 2021, 10:24:07 AM
AADT Facts
Lowest (signed, not at a border) 2di: 1,700 in I-84 in Oregon just east of the I-82 intersection
This surprises me, as it suggests there is a higher amount of EB 84 traffic exiting towards 82 WB (and vice versa) - is there really more Tri Cities-PDX traffic than Boise-PDX traffic?
Yeah... I've been trying to verify it since it stood out to me also. If only Oregon named things internally the same way they do externally. Still looking at it.
Edit - Yeah, I'm not sure where OR Highway 2 branches off and I-84 becomes OR Highway 6, but looks like I read it wrong. I'll update.
Chris
Quote from: jlam on October 05, 2021, 01:12:09 PMIsn't I-70 an exception, since I-29 starts at I-35 north of downtown KC, and I-49 starts at I-435/470 south of downtown KC?
All x0 interstates (including I-30) meet with the I-29 I-49 superinterstate.
Quote from: I-35 on October 05, 2021, 01:07:10 PMQuote from: jayhawkco on October 05, 2021, 12:54:57 PMQuote from: I-35 on October 05, 2021, 12:43:21 PMQuote from: jayhawkco on October 05, 2021, 10:24:07 AM
AADT Facts
Lowest (signed, not at a border) 2di: 1,700 in I-84 in Oregon just east of the I-82 intersection
This surprises me, as it suggests there is a higher amount of EB 84 traffic exiting towards 82 WB (and vice versa) - is there really more Tri Cities-PDX traffic than Boise-PDX traffic?
Yeah... I've been trying to verify it since it stood out to me also. If only Oregon named things internally the same way they do externally. Still looking at it.
Edit - Yeah, I'm not sure where OR Highway 2 branches off and I-84 becomes OR Highway 6, but looks like I read it wrong. I'll update.
Chris
No problem - no doubt that it is desolate out there. I figured the AADT was well under 10k.
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 05, 2021, 01:18:50 PMQuote from: jlam on October 05, 2021, 01:12:09 PMIsn't I-70 an exception, since I-29 starts at I-35 north of downtown KC, and I-49 starts at I-435/470 south of downtown KC?
All x0 interstates (including I-30) meet with the I-29 I-49 superinterstate.
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 05, 2021, 01:18:50 PMI-29's southern terminus is I-70, right where the 70 turns westbound and heads for downtown Kansas City, KS.Quote from: jlam on October 05, 2021, 01:12:09 PMIsn't I-70 an exception, since I-29 starts at I-35 north of downtown KC, and I-49 starts at I-435/470 south of downtown KC?
All x0 interstates (including I-30) meet with the I-29 I-49 superinterstate.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on October 05, 2021, 01:21:10 PMPopped up while I was typing. But true.Quote from: SkyPesos on October 05, 2021, 01:18:50 PMQuote from: jlam on October 05, 2021, 01:12:09 PMIsn't I-70 an exception, since I-29 starts at I-35 north of downtown KC, and I-49 starts at I-435/470 south of downtown KC?
All x0 interstates (including I-30) meet with the I-29 I-49 superinterstate.
I-29 duplexes with I-35 for 6 miles to end at I-70.
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 04, 2021, 10:16:49 PM
Post whatever random facts about interstates or US routes you have that you find interesting here. They can be as obvious, or as obscure as you like. I had plenty of facts over the past few weeks, but forgot about what all of them are about. Here's two I thought of in the shower today:
Of the x0 interstates (excluding wannabe I-30), I-10 interchanges with the most x5 interstates, while I-70 interchanges with the least. And none of them meet all 10 of them.
90: 5, 15, 25, 35, 55, 65, 75, 95 (8)
80: 5, 15, 25, 35, 55, 65, 75, 95 (8)
70: 15, 25, 35, 55, 65, 75 (6)
40: 15, 25, 35, 55, 65, 75, 85, 95 (8)
20: 35, 45, 55, 65, 75, 85, 95 (7)
10: 5, 15, 25, 35, 45, 55, 65, 75, 95 (9)
Speaking of I-70, it's the only x0 without a 5xx 3di, a common odd first digit for 3dis for some reason, and sometimes, the only odd first digit 3di an interstate has (516, 520, 530, 579, etc). Also, I-40 doesn't have a 3xx 3di, another common first digit.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on October 05, 2021, 02:31:02 PMEvery interstate can be important depending on how you look at it, not just x0s and x5s. I-81 is a popular trucking route for its diagonal routing and that it avoids most major cities. For a shorter route near me, I-71 is part of the routing between cities in the mid-south region like Dallas, Houston and New Orleans to cities in Ohio and the northeast. Some people on this forums (including me) see I-71 sort of like an "I-69E" to the whole I-69 system, continuing the SW-NE trajectory of I-69.
On that note, I am not in the boat of the I-30 and I-45 bashing. I-30 is an important connection from Dallas to Chicago or New York, while I-45 is basically I-35EE, part of that important corridor. Yes they are both short, but very important.
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 05, 2021, 02:44:31 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on October 05, 2021, 02:31:02 PMEvery interstate can be important depending on how you look at it, not just x0s and x5s. I-81 is a popular trucking route for its diagonal routing and that it avoids most major cities. For a shorter route near me, I-71 is part of the routing between cities in the mid-south region like Dallas, Houston and New Orleans to cities in Ohio and the northeast. Some people on this forums (including me) see I-71 sort of like an "I-69E" to the whole I-69 system, continuing the SW-NE trajectory of I-69.
On that note, I am not in the boat of the I-30 and I-45 bashing. I-30 is an important connection from Dallas to Chicago or New York, while I-45 is basically I-35EE, part of that important corridor. Yes they are both short, but very important.
Quote from: HighwayStar on October 05, 2021, 02:58:31 PMQuote from: SkyPesos on October 05, 2021, 02:44:31 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on October 05, 2021, 02:31:02 PMEvery interstate can be important depending on how you look at it, not just x0s and x5s. I-81 is a popular trucking route for its diagonal routing and that it avoids most major cities. For a shorter route near me, I-71 is part of the routing between cities in the mid-south region like Dallas, Houston and New Orleans to cities in Ohio and the northeast. Some people on this forums (including me) see I-71 sort of like an "I-69E" to the whole I-69 system, continuing the SW-NE trajectory of I-69.
On that note, I am not in the boat of the I-30 and I-45 bashing. I-30 is an important connection from Dallas to Chicago or New York, while I-45 is basically I-35EE, part of that important corridor. Yes they are both short, but very important.
As designed every interstate was important, the only way for them to be unimportant would be if there was a change in design that neutered them.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on October 05, 2021, 03:19:08 PMI-180 serves the 3 people that lives in Hennepin, IL.Quote from: HighwayStar on October 05, 2021, 02:58:31 PMQuote from: SkyPesos on October 05, 2021, 02:44:31 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on October 05, 2021, 02:31:02 PMEvery interstate can be important depending on how you look at it, not just x0s and x5s. I-81 is a popular trucking route for its diagonal routing and that it avoids most major cities. For a shorter route near me, I-71 is part of the routing between cities in the mid-south region like Dallas, Houston and New Orleans to cities in Ohio and the northeast. Some people on this forums (including me) see I-71 sort of like an "I-69E" to the whole I-69 system, continuing the SW-NE trajectory of I-69.
On that note, I am not in the boat of the I-30 and I-45 bashing. I-30 is an important connection from Dallas to Chicago or New York, while I-45 is basically I-35EE, part of that important corridor. Yes they are both short, but very important.
As designed every interstate was important, the only way for them to be unimportant would be if there was a change in design that neutered them.
I can argue some are very less important.
Quote from: jayhawkco on October 05, 2021, 01:19:18 PM
Actually no. 10,200 is the lowest it gets just SE of Baker City.
In case you were interested, a thread about the topic - https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=28578.msg2574297#msg2574297
Chris
Quote from: US20IL64 on October 05, 2021, 03:42:15 PM
Is Breezewood PA the last 'gap' in the 1950's grid? And may "never" get filled? :hmmm:
Quote from: US20IL64 on October 05, 2021, 03:42:15 PMI-40 through Texas has several at-grade intersections with ranch roads.
Is Breezewood PA the last 'gap' in the 1950's grid? And may "never" get filled? :hmmm:
Quote from: HighwayStar on October 05, 2021, 04:52:29 PMQuote from: US20IL64 on October 05, 2021, 03:42:15 PM
Is Breezewood PA the last 'gap' in the 1950's grid? And may "never" get filled? :hmmm:
No, there are numerous other gaps. I-70, I-95, etc. that are even less likely to be filled, although all could be if we had some real leadership.
Quote from: jayhawkco on October 05, 2021, 05:27:51 PMQuote from: HighwayStar on October 05, 2021, 04:52:29 PMQuote from: US20IL64 on October 05, 2021, 03:42:15 PM
Is Breezewood PA the last 'gap' in the 1950's grid? And may "never" get filled? :hmmm:
No, there are numerous other gaps. I-70, I-95, etc. that are even less likely to be filled, although all could be if we had some real leadership.
Where is the gap on I-95? Obviously there used to be the one in Jersey...
Chris
Quote from: HighwayStar on October 05, 2021, 05:30:22 PM
DC, I-95 was never completed, they just slapped signs on I-495. However that is a beltway and thus was not the intent of the plan which was to serve DC.
Quote from: HighwayStar on October 05, 2021, 05:30:22 PMIn that case, how about Boston? Similar case with I-95 on MA 128.Quote from: jayhawkco on October 05, 2021, 05:27:51 PMQuote from: HighwayStar on October 05, 2021, 04:52:29 PMQuote from: US20IL64 on October 05, 2021, 03:42:15 PM
Is Breezewood PA the last 'gap' in the 1950's grid? And may "never" get filled? :hmmm:
No, there are numerous other gaps. I-70, I-95, etc. that are even less likely to be filled, although all could be if we had some real leadership.
Where is the gap on I-95? Obviously there used to be the one in Jersey...
Chris
DC, I-95 was never completed, they just slapped signs on I-495. However that is a beltway and thus was not the intent of the plan which was to serve DC.
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 05, 2021, 05:47:27 PMQuote from: HighwayStar on October 05, 2021, 05:30:22 PMIn that case, how about Boston? Similar case with I-95 on MA 128.Quote from: jayhawkco on October 05, 2021, 05:27:51 PMQuote from: HighwayStar on October 05, 2021, 04:52:29 PMQuote from: US20IL64 on October 05, 2021, 03:42:15 PM
Is Breezewood PA the last 'gap' in the 1950's grid? And may "never" get filled? :hmmm:
No, there are numerous other gaps. I-70, I-95, etc. that are even less likely to be filled, although all could be if we had some real leadership.
Where is the gap on I-95? Obviously there used to be the one in Jersey...
Chris
DC, I-95 was never completed, they just slapped signs on I-495. However that is a beltway and thus was not the intent of the plan which was to serve DC.
Quote from: kenarmy on October 05, 2021, 08:20:52 PM
- Ok but it is so shocking to me that US 278 is longer than US 80.
Quote from: HighwayStar on October 05, 2021, 05:48:12 PMQuote from: SkyPesos on October 05, 2021, 05:47:27 PMQuote from: HighwayStar on October 05, 2021, 05:30:22 PMIn that case, how about Boston? Similar case with I-95 on MA 128.Quote from: jayhawkco on October 05, 2021, 05:27:51 PMQuote from: HighwayStar on October 05, 2021, 04:52:29 PMQuote from: US20IL64 on October 05, 2021, 03:42:15 PM
Is Breezewood PA the last 'gap' in the 1950's grid? And may "never" get filled? :hmmm:
No, there are numerous other gaps. I-70, I-95, etc. that are even less likely to be filled, although all could be if we had some real leadership.
Where is the gap on I-95? Obviously there used to be the one in Jersey...
Chris
DC, I-95 was never completed, they just slapped signs on I-495. However that is a beltway and thus was not the intent of the plan which was to serve DC.
Yep, another gap.
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 04, 2021, 10:16:49 PMWell, since you mentioned x0s meeting x5s, I'm flipping the script and doing the reverse. And I'm doing the full list this time, including the impostor I-45 (and BTW, I-30, which was excluded from the above list, meets 35, albeit split into two, and 45).
Of the x0 interstates (excluding wannabe I-30), I-10 interchanges with the most x5 interstates, while I-70 interchanges with the least. And none of them meet all 10 of them.
90: 5, 15, 25, 35, 55, 65, 75, 95 (8)
80: 5, 15, 25, 35, 55, 65, 75, 95 (8)
70: 15, 25, 35, 55, 65, 75 (6)
40: 15, 25, 35, 55, 65, 75, 85, 95 (8)
20: 35, 45, 55, 65, 75, 85, 95 (7)
10: 5, 15, 25, 35, 45, 55, 65, 75, 95 (9)
Quote from: Henry on October 06, 2021, 10:25:01 AMQuote from: SkyPesos on October 04, 2021, 10:16:49 PM[list of x5's meeting x0's]
[list of x0's meeting x5's]
Of course, I-50 and I-60 don't exist, so none of them will meet all 9.
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 06, 2021, 11:32:25 AM
^ I've always thought I-29/I-49 as a better I-45 than actual I-45 itself.
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 06, 2021, 11:32:25 AM
Also, if I-69 is completed, it'll be the third longest N-S interstate (using 69E as the "main" branch of the three in south Texas), only below I-95 and I-75.
Quote from: jmacswimmer on October 06, 2021, 11:40:28 AMYes. I don't know the exact alignment through LA, AR and MS, but with a rough estimate, I got about 1705 miles in route length. For some comparison, I-35 is 1569 miles, I-94 is 1585 miles, and I-75 is 1786 miles. Another candidate for a longer I-45, and actually this one may be better, as Houston keeps their x5 :)Quote from: SkyPesos on October 06, 2021, 11:32:25 AM
Also, if I-69 is completed, it'll be the third longest N-S interstate (using 69E as the "main" branch of the three in south Texas), only below I-95 and I-75.
I think it would also dethrone I-94 for longest interstate not ending in 0 or 5?
Quote from: hbelkins on October 06, 2021, 12:30:36 PMThat depends on who you ask. According to Google, it is one continuous segment. According to the signage on the freeway, there is a gap along that section, from Forks of Ivy to Asheville.
There's also a gap in I-26 between Asheville and Mars Hill, even though there's a freeway running between those two points.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 06, 2021, 12:30:36 PM
There is no gap in I-95. Or in I-70, except for Breezewood. In both cases, excepting Breezewood, the routes are continually signed on a freeway.
Now, I-69? There's a gap in it, between Bloomington and Indy, but that gap's being filled. There's a gap between Evansville and Henderson, but progress is being made on eliminating that gap. There's a gap between Mayfield and the area south of Memphis in Mississippi.
I would also say there are gaps in I-74, between the unfinished portions in North Carolina, but would not consider the section between Cincinnati and the NC/VA line to be a gap because there will never be an interstate between those two points. There's also a gap in I-26 between Asheville and Mars Hill, even though there's a freeway running between those two points.
Quote from: jlam on October 06, 2021, 12:36:57 PMQuote from: hbelkins on October 06, 2021, 12:30:36 PMThat depends on who you ask. According to Google, it is one continuous segment. According to the signage on the freeway, there is a gap along that section, from Forks of Ivy to Asheville.
There's also a gap in I-26 between Asheville and Mars Hill, even though there's a freeway running between those two points.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 06, 2021, 03:47:50 PMQuote from: jlam on October 06, 2021, 12:36:57 PMQuote from: hbelkins on October 06, 2021, 12:30:36 PMThat depends on who you ask. According to Google, it is one continuous segment. According to the signage on the freeway, there is a gap along that section, from Forks of Ivy to Asheville.
There's also a gap in I-26 between Asheville and Mars Hill, even though there's a freeway running between those two points.
I trust the DOT over Google.
Quote from: HighwayStar on October 06, 2021, 03:55:49 PMQuote from: hbelkins on October 06, 2021, 03:47:50 PMQuote from: jlam on October 06, 2021, 12:36:57 PMQuote from: hbelkins on October 06, 2021, 12:30:36 PMThat depends on who you ask. According to Google, it is one continuous segment. According to the signage on the freeway, there is a gap along that section, from Forks of Ivy to Asheville.
There's also a gap in I-26 between Asheville and Mars Hill, even though there's a freeway running between those two points.
I trust the DOT over Google.
Damn the DOT
Quote from: US 89 on October 06, 2021, 04:05:03 PM
FHWA (https://hepgis.fhwa.dot.gov/fhwagis/) says the road between I-240 and the Buncombe-Madison county line is not an interstate.
Quote from: webny99 on October 06, 2021, 04:10:44 PM:-DQuote from: US 89 on October 06, 2021, 04:05:03 PM
FHWA (https://hepgis.fhwa.dot.gov/fhwagis/) says the road between I-240 and the Buncombe-Madison county line is not an interstate.
I agree (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.6953726,-82.613483,3a,39y,13.39h,86.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPx2--xf0qtt7ltuyjP69hA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1) ;-)
Quote from: Rover_0 on October 06, 2021, 04:53:49 PM
It appears as though most 2di Interstates ending in 2 or 7 are shorter and/or intrastate (or at least near-intrastate) routes.
You have: 2, 12, 17, 27, 37, (Future) 42, 72, 82, (Northern) 87, and 97.
Quote from: Rover_0 on October 06, 2021, 04:53:49 PMI-77 seems to be the exception to this, as well as I-57 with its extension to Little Rock.
It appears as though most 2di Interstates ending in 2 or 7 are shorter and/or intrastate (or at least near-intrastate) routes.
You have: 2, 12, 17, 27, 37, (Future) 42, 72, 82, (Northern) 87, and 97.
Quote from: MinecraftNinja on October 06, 2021, 10:48:08 PM43, 73, 83, 93?
There are only 4 interstates that end in x3.
Quote from: plain on October 07, 2021, 12:31:11 AM
There are currently four US routes signed on turnpikes: 51, 74, 301, 412.
Quote from: Crown Victoria on October 06, 2021, 11:46:40 PM
The only 2-digit numbers never used on the US Routes are 39, 47, 86, and 88.
With 39, 86 (twice currently, thrice in total), and 88 (twice) in use on the Interstate system, that leaves 47 as the only 2-digit number never used on either the Interstates or the US Routes.
Quote from: Mapmikey on October 07, 2021, 06:56:45 AMBesides US 412, another good one to use the US 68 number on, instead of the current, pretty wasteful, one with the number.
Virginia in 1933 (became US 460 instead)
Quote from: Mapmikey on October 07, 2021, 06:56:45 AMQuote from: Crown Victoria on October 06, 2021, 11:46:40 PM
The only 2-digit numbers never used on the US Routes are 39, 47, 86, and 88.
With 39, 86 (twice currently, thrice in total), and 88 (twice) in use on the Interstate system, that leaves 47 as the only 2-digit number never used on either the Interstates or the US Routes.
US 86 has been explicitly requested at least twice...
Virginia in 1933 (became US 460 instead)
Alabama in more modern times (it is unclear where this was supposed to be)
Also, US 9 is on the Garden State Parkway
Quote from: Mapmikey on October 07, 2021, 06:56:45 AM
Also, US 9 is on the Garden State Parkway
Quote from: 1 on October 07, 2021, 06:53:23 AMQuote from: plain on October 07, 2021, 12:31:11 AM
There are currently four US routes signed on turnpikes: 51, 74, 301, 412.
US 3 is on part of the Everett Turnpike, but only the free section.
Quote from: plain on October 07, 2021, 08:51:15 AMQuote from: Mapmikey on October 07, 2021, 06:56:45 AM
Also, US 9 is on the Garden State Parkway
Indeed, I often forget that SB US 9 must pay the toll at Great Egg Harbor.
Quote from: Hobart on October 05, 2021, 12:13:30 AM
For some reason, the small portion of Interstate 76 in Nebraska is signed north and south, despite having no interchanges in the state besides Interstate 80.
Quote from: US 89 on October 07, 2021, 09:42:24 AMQuote from: plain on October 07, 2021, 08:51:15 AMQuote from: Mapmikey on October 07, 2021, 06:56:45 AM
Also, US 9 is on the Garden State Parkway
Indeed, I often forget that SB US 9 must pay the toll at Great Egg Harbor.
I don't think that really counts though because it basically amounts to a bridge toll, and everywhere else US 9 joins the GSP does not require a toll.
If you count that, then you probably have to also count all the US highways that cross a toll bridge - US 1/9 on the GWB, US 6/202 on the Bear Mountain Bridge, US 101 over the Golden Gate...
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on October 07, 2021, 09:56:54 AMThe eastern I-76 in NJ has exit numbers going the opposite direction, save for an eastbound Exit 354, which is a continuation of its numbering scheme in PA.Quote from: Hobart on October 05, 2021, 12:13:30 AM
For some reason, the small portion of Interstate 76 in Nebraska is signed north and south, despite having no interchanges in the state besides Interstate 80.
and nebraska has that oddity of when an interstate ends, the junction inherits the exit numbers of the interstate its joining with.
the end of 76 is exit 102, instead of 1 or 0.
Quote from: Alps on October 07, 2021, 11:07:07 PM
The following are the only 2-digit Interstates that stay within 90 degrees of their signed direction at all times:
19, 27, 57, 97
2, 12, 14 (ha), 16, 22, 42 (ha ha), 72 EB (WB breaks at I-55), 76 western, 86 western
Of these, four are multi-state though only 22 really has significant length in both. 57 is by far the longest.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 08, 2021, 10:51:13 AM
The western I-88 is one of the few single-state interstates that runs through a flat state. :-D
Quote from: Dirt Roads on October 08, 2021, 03:33:20 PM
US-35 in West Virginia has gotten considerably shorter over time without getting truncated.
Silver Bridge (Point Pleasant) to US-60 Charleston, about 70 miles (original-1967)
New Silver Bridge (Kanauga) to US-60 St. Albans, about 45 miles (1969-2009)
New Silver Bridge (Kanauga) to CR-33 Scott Depot, about 37 miles (2009-2021?Maybe?)
I haven't seen the final tallies, but I suspect that when the four-lane is completed through Mason County that US-35 will be about half of its historical route length in the state.
Quote from: Dirt Roads on October 08, 2021, 03:33:20 PMUS 33 also got noticeably shorter in WV when it was moved from the Pomeroy-Mason Bridge over the Ohio River to the Ravenswood bridge it currently uses.
US-35 in West Virginia has gotten considerably shorter over time without getting truncated.
Silver Bridge (Point Pleasant) to US-60 Charleston, about 70 miles (original-1967)
New Silver Bridge (Kanauga) to US-60 St. Albans, about 45 miles (1969-2009)
New Silver Bridge (Kanauga) to CR-33 Scott Depot, about 37 miles (2009-2021?Maybe?)
I haven't seen the final tallies, but I suspect that when the four-lane is completed through Mason County that US-35 will be about half of its historical route length in the state.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on October 09, 2021, 04:47:13 PMWhat's the 5th? I only counted 17, 27, future 57 and 77. Also, there are some near-misses with other x0 and x7, like 90 and 57 are 3 miles apart at their closest point (used to meet historically when 94 used the Skyway), 80 and 87 are 5 miles apart, and 70 and 97 are 10 miles apart.
Interstate 40 crosses four I-X7 interstates (planned for five with the I-57 extension). Two of which terminate on their north end at I-40, and one terminates on it's south end at I-40. I-X7 is the tied for third with I-X0 as the third most often repeated last digit in the system, behind X5(10) and X9(9)(just lacking CA-99 being re-signed as I-9). Significant that it is repeated that often, yet only four cross the same transcontinental interstate.
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 09, 2021, 05:07:21 PMI-87's "southern" terminus is at I-40.Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on October 09, 2021, 04:47:13 PMWhat's the 5th? I only counted 17, 27, future 57 and 77.
Interstate 40 crosses four I-X7 interstates (planned for five with the I-57 extension). Two of which terminate on their north end at I-40, and one terminates on it's south end at I-40. I-X7 is the tied for third with I-X0 as the third most often repeated last digit in the system, behind X5(10) and X9(9)(just lacking CA-99 being re-signed as I-9). Significant that it is repeated that often, yet only four cross the same transcontinental interstate.
Quote from: jayhawkco on October 05, 2021, 12:54:57 PMTransition point is US 730. ORH 2 leaves I-84/US 30 and follows US 730 to Washington.Quote from: I-35 on October 05, 2021, 12:43:21 PMQuote from: jayhawkco on October 05, 2021, 10:24:07 AM
AADT Facts
Lowest (signed, not at a border) 2di: 1,700 in I-84 in Oregon just east of the I-82 intersection
This surprises me, as it suggests there is a higher amount of EB 84 traffic exiting towards 82 WB (and vice versa) - is there really more Tri Cities-PDX traffic than Boise-PDX traffic?
Yeah... I've been trying to verify it since it stood out to me also. If only Oregon named things internally the same way they do externally. Still looking at it.
Edit - Yeah, I'm not sure where OR Highway 2 branches off and I-84 becomes OR Highway 6, but looks like I read it wrong. I'll update.
Chris
Quote from: Hobart on October 10, 2021, 08:15:49 PM
Gonna infodump about Chicago real quick.
Interstate 294, the beloved (sarcasm) Tri-State Tollway by Chicago, is signed North and South, although the stretch of Interstate 94 it bypasses is signed East and West.
Interstate 355 was almost Interstate 455. The feds considered I-355 to be an outer beltway of Chicago with I-55 as its parent, but IDOT considered it a spur to Schaumburg. Nowadays, it wouldn't even be assigned an x55 number.
The Ohio Street exit on the north side is the way it is because it was supposed to be the exit to Interstate 494, a loop which would have run down Lake Shore Drive. It was never built due to low popularity.
Finally, the most interesting quirk
On the stretch of I-80 through Joliet, the speed limit was increased from 45 to 55 near the beginning of the 2010's. Literally no improvements were made to the road to justify the increase in speed limit, they just raised it without doing anything to the road.
Quote from: Hobart on October 10, 2021, 08:15:49 PM
Interstate 294, the beloved (sarcasm) Tri-State Tollway by Chicago, is signed North and South, although the stretch of Interstate 94 it bypasses is signed East and West.
Quote from: Dirt Roads on October 10, 2021, 12:12:02 AM
The completion of almost all of I-79 in West Virginia reduced the travel time from Charleston to Morgantown from over 7 hours in 1965 to just a hair over 3 hours in 1977. Completion of I-79 to connect to I-77 in Charleston in 1979 whacked another 15 minutes off the trip. This was all in the NMSL days, so nowadays the trek only takes about 2h25min. The old route using US-119/WV-4, WV-4 and US-19 is roughly parallel to the current path of I-79. No wonder the State encouraged residents to drive along the sides of uncompleted portions of I-79 to get to Morgantown on gamedays.
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on October 11, 2021, 03:55:33 AMQuote from: Hobart on October 10, 2021, 08:15:49 PM
Gonna infodump about Chicago real quick.
Interstate 294, the beloved (sarcasm) Tri-State Tollway by Chicago, is signed North and South, although the stretch of Interstate 94 it bypasses is signed East and West.
Interstate 355 was almost Interstate 455. The feds considered I-355 to be an outer beltway of Chicago with I-55 as its parent, but IDOT considered it a spur to Schaumburg. Nowadays, it wouldn't even be assigned an x55 number.
The Ohio Street exit on the north side is the way it is because it was supposed to be the exit to Interstate 494, a loop which would have run down Lake Shore Drive. It was never built due to low popularity.
Finally, the most interesting quirk
On the stretch of I-80 through Joliet, the speed limit was increased from 45 to 55 near the beginning of the 2010's. Literally no improvements were made to the road to justify the increase in speed limit, they just raised it without doing anything to the road.
don't forget the interstate (is it 290?) that goes through a building.
Quote from: jbnv on October 11, 2021, 11:14:54 AM
For a while, Louisiana was one of only a handful of states that had two or more intrastate 2dis (12, 49 which is now truly an interstate).
At the moment, Texas is the king of the intrastate 2dis (2, 14, 27, 37, 45).
Quote from: dvferyance on October 12, 2021, 05:27:17 PM
Tennessee and Georgia are the only 2 states with 3 x5's interstates.
I-55,65 and 75 in Tennessee.
I-75,85 and 95 in Georgia.
Quote from: jbnv on October 12, 2021, 05:29:46 PMQuote from: dvferyance on October 12, 2021, 05:27:17 PM
Tennessee and Georgia are the only 2 states with 3 x5's interstates.
I-55,65 and 75 in Tennessee.
I-75,85 and 95 in Georgia.
Louisiana has four US x1:s 11, 51, 61 and 71.
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 12, 2021, 03:53:16 PM
All 4 odd divisible by 15 4xx interstate numbers are well known, and can be linked to a specific city or two just by mentioning the interstate:
405 - LA and Seattle
435 - Kansas City
465 - Indianapolis
495 - DC and NYC
Quote from: Bruce on October 12, 2021, 05:57:02 PMIt's not as noteworthy as I-205 in the area, or LA and Seattle's 405. Just like how I didn't include Boston's or Wilmington DE's 495. Very few people would think of Portland over LA or Seattle when I-405 is mentioned.Quote from: SkyPesos on October 12, 2021, 03:53:16 PM
All 4 odd divisible by 15 4xx interstate numbers are well known, and can be linked to a specific city or two just by mentioning the interstate:
405 - LA and Seattle
435 - Kansas City
465 - Indianapolis
495 - DC and NYC
Portland also has an I-405.
Quote from: Mapmikey on October 12, 2021, 05:39:46 PMQuote from: jbnv on October 12, 2021, 05:29:46 PMQuote from: dvferyance on October 12, 2021, 05:27:17 PM
Tennessee and Georgia are the only 2 states with 3 x5's interstates.
I-55,65 and 75 in Tennessee.
I-75,85 and 95 in Georgia.
Louisiana has four US x1:s 11, 51, 61 and 71.
Tennessee has five: 11, 31, 41, 51 and 61
Quote from: US 89 on October 12, 2021, 06:06:58 PMOhio seems to be the winner for x2s: US 22, 42, 52, 62.Quote from: Mapmikey on October 12, 2021, 05:39:46 PMQuote from: jbnv on October 12, 2021, 05:29:46 PMQuote from: dvferyance on October 12, 2021, 05:27:17 PM
Tennessee and Georgia are the only 2 states with 3 x5's interstates.
I-55,65 and 75 in Tennessee.
I-75,85 and 95 in Georgia.
Louisiana has four US x1:s 11, 51, 61 and 71.
Tennessee has five: 11, 31, 41, 51 and 61
The equivalent for US x0's appears to be Illinois - US 20, 30, 40, 50, and 60.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on October 12, 2021, 06:45:21 PMSeems like Virginia have the same number of 1x, except theirs are all odd: 11, 13, 15, 17, 19.
Wisconsin was the winner in 1X, with 10, 12, 14, 16, 18.
Quote from: US 89 on October 12, 2021, 06:06:58 PMQuote from: Mapmikey on October 12, 2021, 05:39:46 PMQuote from: jbnv on October 12, 2021, 05:29:46 PMQuote from: dvferyance on October 12, 2021, 05:27:17 PM
Tennessee and Georgia are the only 2 states with 3 x5's interstates.
I-55,65 and 75 in Tennessee.
I-75,85 and 95 in Georgia.
Louisiana has four US x1:s 11, 51, 61 and 71.
Tennessee has five: 11, 31, 41, 51 and 61
The equivalent for US x0's appears to be Illinois - US 20, 30, 40, 50, and 60.
Quote from: Hobart on October 13, 2021, 12:37:30 AMQuote from: US 89 on October 12, 2021, 06:06:58 PMQuote from: Mapmikey on October 12, 2021, 05:39:46 PMQuote from: jbnv on October 12, 2021, 05:29:46 PMQuote from: dvferyance on October 12, 2021, 05:27:17 PM
Tennessee and Georgia are the only 2 states with 3 x5's interstates.
I-55,65 and 75 in Tennessee.
I-75,85 and 95 in Georgia.
Louisiana has four US x1:s 11, 51, 61 and 71.
Tennessee has five: 11, 31, 41, 51 and 61
The equivalent for US x0's appears to be Illinois - US 20, 30, 40, 50, and 60.
I feel like Illinois is kind of pushing it though, considering US 60 literally enters the state for 1,000 feet in Cairo, makes a hard left, and exits again.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 13, 2021, 11:24:19 AMI find the gaps between the x1 US routes interesting too. Going along I-80, there's roughly 130 miles between US 1 and US 11, 290 miles between US 11 and I-77 (former US 21), and 250 miles between US 21 and US 31. The next three are much more closely spaced compared to the previous three, with 65 miles between US 31 and US 41, 85 miles between US 41 and US 51, and 90 miles between US 51 and US 61. In my frequent trips between Cincinnati and St Louis, I thought it was sort of crazy that I can get all the way from 27 to 61 in just a 5 1/2 hour drive, a difference of 34, or 17 potential odd 2dus in between. There's also a bunch of unused or wasted US route numbers between 31 and 61, like 37, 39, 47, 55 and 57 (though I think 421 and 231 are long enough to be US 37 and 39 respectively, but that's fictional).
Is West Virginia the smallest state to have four x0's (30, 40, 50, and 60)?
Interesting how the first three are bunched together, then there's a bit of a gap between 50 and 60, and much of the state lies south of 60.
Quote from: kurumi on October 13, 2021, 12:16:18 PMFor US routes:
Widest spreads in N/S or E/W primary interstate routes in one state:
E/W:
California: 80 - 8 == 72
Illinois: 94 - 24 == 70
N/S:
Texas: 69 - 27 == 42
Missouri: 57 - 29 == 28
Tennessee: 81 - 55 == 26
I might have missed some.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on October 13, 2021, 01:48:21 PMI know it's not intrastate, but it's worth nothing that US 59 is out of place in the grid, as it's entirely west of US 71. I think I saw in Fictional once to renumber it to US 73, which would make more sense as it's between 71 and 75 most of the way.
On another note, Texas is the proud owner of two horrible intrastate grid violators; US-57 and US-96. Now, while US-57 is basically a continuation of Federal Route 57, US-96 is a mystery as to why it was numbered that way. The only thing it has going for it is at one point it is south of US-90, but I for the life of me have no idea why it was numbered even although it's a north-south route. This isn't a fact, since I did no research on it, but are there any other states that have 2 or more US routes that are this level horrible grid violators? Intrastate would be preferable, but they don't have to be.
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 13, 2021, 02:00:20 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on October 13, 2021, 01:48:21 PMI know it's not intrastate, but it's worth nothing that US 59 is out of place in the grid, as it's entirely west of US 71. I think I saw in Fictional once to renumber it to US 73, which would make more sense as it's between 71 and 75 most of the way.
On another note, Texas is the proud owner of two horrible intrastate grid violators; US-57 and US-96. Now, while US-57 is basically a continuation of Federal Route 57, US-96 is a mystery as to why it was numbered that way. The only thing it has going for it is at one point it is south of US-90, but I for the life of me have no idea why it was numbered even although it's a north-south route. This isn't a fact, since I did no research on it, but are there any other states that have 2 or more US routes that are this level horrible grid violators? Intrastate would be preferable, but they don't have to be.
With the interstate grid "fixing" the US routes grid, there's one exception I can think of: Wisconsin. All 3 of its N-S interstates (39, 41 and 43) are east of the general line I-55 goes most of its way between New Orleans and St Louis. This happened because IDOT didn't want to extend 55, 57 or 65 to the Wisconsin line from Chicago, so Wisconsin had to find new numbers to use.
Quote from: kurumi on October 13, 2021, 12:16:18 PM
Widest spreads in N/S or E/W primary interstate routes in one state:
E/W:
California: 80 - 8 == 72
Illinois: 94 - 24 == 70
N/S:
Texas: 69 - 27 == 42
Missouri: 57 - 29 == 28
Tennessee: 81 - 55 == 26
I might have missed some.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on October 13, 2021, 01:48:21 PMNot in 1926 it wasn't. Look for the 1924 presidential election results. There were only 113 Electoral College votes from the Great Plains to the Pacific. The population was skewed greatly to the east of Texas.
I always found it odd that I-35 in Texas replaced US-81. 35 (and 45 being close to it) is a number that's closer to the middle of the grid, which Texas is close to the center, but 81 seems way too far to the west. I found it odd that in Texas, the grid is already shifted to 81. Yes, the country is more sparsely populated heading west from US-81, so the grid can get more spaced out in the graduations, but I always felt it was too far shifted.
Quote from: clong on October 13, 2021, 02:33:21 PMQuote from: kurumi on October 13, 2021, 12:16:18 PM
Widest spreads in N/S or E/W primary interstate routes in one state:
E/W:
California: 80 - 8 == 72
Illinois: 94 - 24 == 70
N/S:
Texas: 69 - 27 == 42
Missouri: 57 - 29 == 28
Tennessee: 81 - 55 == 26
I might have missed some.
N/S
Alabama: 85 - 59 == 26
Quote from: dlsterner on October 13, 2021, 10:14:58 PM
N/S
Georgia: 95 - 59 == 36
Quote from: Dirt Roads on October 13, 2021, 11:31:04 PMI-270 in Missouri/Illinois? Even though it's part of a beltway for St Louis, it's shorter than I-70 for through traffic getting through the St Louis area, as I-70 dips to the south, and comes back north. I-70 even continues I-270's mileposts in IL east of its eastern terminus.Quote from: dlsterner on October 13, 2021, 10:14:58 PM
N/S
Georgia: 95 - 59 == 36
Can of worms alert!
N/S
Georgia: 475 - 59 = 416
E/W
West Virginia: 470 - 64 = 406
Not sure if there are any other 3dis that serve as "primary" interstates. I wouldn't count the I-495 Capital Beltway, but I might consider the I-495 VVMH in Wilmington, Delaware. Is the route to Philly more primary than the route to NJTP? :hmmm:
Quote from: US 89 on October 12, 2021, 06:06:58 PMInitially, most of US 12 in WI, IL and MI was originally planned to be part of US 10. Combine that with a much longer US 60 in the state (on what is now US 66), Illinois would have 6 x0 US routes in the state in one of the first drafts of the US routes system: 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 and 60.Quote from: Mapmikey on October 12, 2021, 05:39:46 PMQuote from: jbnv on October 12, 2021, 05:29:46 PMQuote from: dvferyance on October 12, 2021, 05:27:17 PM
Tennessee and Georgia are the only 2 states with 3 x5's interstates.
I-55,65 and 75 in Tennessee.
I-75,85 and 95 in Georgia.
Louisiana has four US x1:s 11, 51, 61 and 71.
Tennessee has five: 11, 31, 41, 51 and 61
The equivalent for US x0's appears to be Illinois - US 20, 30, 40, 50, and 60.
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 13, 2021, 02:00:20 PM
I know it's not intrastate, but it's worth nothing that US 59 is out of place in the grid, as it's entirely west of US 71. I think I saw in Fictional once to renumber it to US 73, which would make more sense as it's between 71 and 75 most of the way.
Quote from: US20IL64 on October 14, 2021, 10:52:14 AM
Some US highways were built diagonally. That's how they are, :wave:
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on October 13, 2021, 01:48:21 PM
I also found it odd that US-87 was in central Texas, yet the next odd number up, US-89 goes east of the Grand Canyon and goes through Utah.
Quote from: US 89 on October 14, 2021, 01:54:50 PMThat was one of my numbering experiments that I did a while ago in fictional. Since the population of the west is significantly larger than back in 1926 (wow can't believe the US routes system is almost 100 years old!), I pushed some numbers west, starting from around the 50s range for odd numbers. Like I placed 51 on current 61, 61 on current 59/71, 71 on current 83, 81 on current 85/87, and 91 on current 93/95. This omitted the need for 101 on the west coast, and spread the numbers out a bit more in the central US.
I sometimes wonder if, had all roads designated as US highways today existed back then, if US 87 would have been assigned to today's US 191 through Arizona/Utah/Wyoming. That would have put it about halfway between US 85 and US 89 for the majority of its route.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on October 13, 2021, 01:48:21 PM
I always found it odd that I-35 in Texas replaced US-81. 35 (and 45 being close to it) is a number that's closer to the middle of the grid, which Texas is close to the center, but 81 seems way too far to the west. I found it odd that in Texas, the grid is already shifted to 81. Yes, the country is more sparsely populated heading west from US-81, so the grid can get more spaced out in the graduations, but I always felt it was too far shifted.
Yes the US Highway grid is was very very flawed, while the Interstate grid seemed to try to correct the errors made in the US grid, but the American southwest is one of the areas where the grid seemed to work, but the numbers seemed unnecessarily cramped (and by that I mean the north-south grid starts to run out of numbers even as far east as east Texas).
I also found it odd that US-87 was in central Texas, yet the next odd number up, US-89 goes east of the Grand Canyon and goes through Utah.
On another note, Texas is the proud owner of two horrible intrastate grid violators; US-57 and US-96. Now, while US-57 is basically a continuation of Federal Route 57, US-96 is a mystery as to why it was numbered that way. The only thing it has going for it is at one point it is south of US-90, but I for the life of me have no idea why it was numbered even although it's a north-south route. This isn't a fact, since I did no research on it, but are there any other states that have 2 or more US routes that are this level horrible grid violators? Intrastate would be preferable, but they don't have to be.
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 22, 2021, 12:35:21 AM
Highest difference between two same direction interstates intersecting
E-W: I-40 and I-74 (34)
N-S: I-35 and I-69(W) (34)
Quote from: Hobart on October 20, 2021, 11:00:17 PM
This is about a former US route but whatever.
So US-30A used to run along the route of Illinois 38. I heard the number of Illinois 38 was selected because it sounds like "30 - A".
Quote from: Evan_Th on October 22, 2021, 01:54:09 PM
OK, @ethanhopkin14, where is that photo showing, and what's it supposed to be? I'm guessing US 90?
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on October 22, 2021, 03:41:11 PMQuote from: Evan_Th on October 22, 2021, 01:54:09 PM
OK, @ethanhopkin14, where is that photo showing, and what's it supposed to be? I'm guessing US 90?
I assume Texas, given the pitchfork posts.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on October 22, 2021, 12:21:49 PMAnd together they make I-100!Quote from: SkyPesos on October 22, 2021, 12:35:21 AM
Highest difference between two same direction interstates intersecting
E-W: I-40 and I-74 (34)
N-S: I-35 and I-69(W) (34)
Incorrect:
(https://www.aaroads.com/shields/img/TX/TX19880901i1.jpg)
:bigass:
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 22, 2021, 06:01:14 PM
In 1958, California had no less than four US route shield designs for use on freeway guide signs: 1 digit, 2 digit, 3 digit where one digit is "1", and 3 digit. The one-digit shield, of course, was only ever used on US-6!
Quote from: bandit957 on October 23, 2021, 06:42:43 PM
In the late '80s, I observed that Cincinnati was tied with several other cities for having the most U.S. routes within its city limits. I don't remember what the others were, but Lexington and Memphis may have been among them. However, I think Chicago once had more.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 06, 2021, 12:30:36 PM
I would also say there are gaps in I-74, between the unfinished portions in North Carolina, but would not consider the section between Cincinnati and the NC/VA line to be a gap because there will never be an interstate between those two points. There's also a gap in I-26 between Asheville and Mars Hill, even though there's a freeway running between those two points.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on October 05, 2021, 02:31:02 PMQuote from: SkyPesos on October 04, 2021, 10:16:49 PM
Post whatever random facts about interstates or US routes you have that you find interesting here. They can be as obvious, or as obscure as you like. I had plenty of facts over the past few weeks, but forgot about what all of them are about. Here's two I thought of in the shower today:
Of the x0 interstates (excluding wannabe I-30), I-10 interchanges with the most x5 interstates, while I-70 interchanges with the least. And none of them meet all 10 of them.
90: 5, 15, 25, 35, 55, 65, 75, 95 (8)
80: 5, 15, 25, 35, 55, 65, 75, 95 (8)
70: 15, 25, 35, 55, 65, 75 (6)
40: 15, 25, 35, 55, 65, 75, 85, 95 (8)
20: 35, 45, 55, 65, 75, 85, 95 (7)
10: 5, 15, 25, 35, 45, 55, 65, 75, 95 (9)
Speaking of I-70, it's the only x0 without a 5xx 3di, a common odd first digit for 3dis for some reason, and sometimes, the only odd first digit 3di an interstate has (516, 520, 530, 579, etc). Also, I-40 doesn't have a 3xx 3di, another common first digit.
Interesting.
I have always thought about how the I-35/I-10 interchanges in San Antonio are the most "connected" interchanges in the system (fitting since they share an alignment too). Since the aforementioned I-10 intersects with the most I-X5s and I-35 is the only I-X5 to intersect with all I-X0 interstates (I am not going to fight about how I-35 is actually 3 separate interstates and that it doesn't intersect with I-20 or I-30 since they actually intersect I-35E and I-35W from east to west respectively). Basically the only one missing is I-85, but a short jaunt up I-65 from Mobile gets you to I-85 so it can be easily forgiven.
Separately, I-30 and I-85 are cousins, as they are the only interstates to default on both ends onto another "like" interstate (I-85 from I-65 to I-95 and I-30 from I-20 to I-40), making their short or relatively short life being part of a much larger route.
On that note, I am not in the boat of the I-30 and I-45 bashing. I-30 is an important connection from Dallas to Chicago or New York, while I-45 is basically I-35EE, part of that important corridor. Yes they are both short, but very important.
Quote from: Crown Victoria on October 24, 2021, 11:39:51 PM
A picture of the western portal of the Pennsylvania Turnpike's Kittatinny Mountain Tunnel is featured as the first postcard during the opening credits of National Lampoon's Vacation.
The image is from before the tunnel was twinned, and before designation as I-76, but still an interesting random fact.
Quote from: achilles765 on October 27, 2021, 01:00:27 AM
Texas has both the most intrastate Interstate and intrastate US Routes. It also has the most suffixed routes:
Interstates:
I-2, I-14 (for now), I-27, I-37, I-45
Suffixed:
I-35E, I-35W, I-69E, I-69C, I-69W
US Highways:
Us 57, US 96, US 175, US 181, US 290
Quote from: achilles765 on October 27, 2021, 01:00:27 AM
Texas has both the most intrastate Interstate and intrastate US Routes. It also has the most suffixed routes:
Interstates:
I-2, I-14 (for now), I-27, I-37, I-45
Suffixed:
I-35E, I-35W, I-69E, I-69C, I-69W
US Highways:
Us 57, US 96, US 175, US 181, US 290
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on October 27, 2021, 07:51:06 AM
But does it have the most alternate US routes?
US 90A and US 77A. I am basing this on nothing so I don't know.
Quote from: jlam on November 03, 2021, 04:42:02 PM
A Denver fact to restart this thread: All interstates in Colorado go through Denver proper. I believe this is the only state where all of its interstates go through the limits of one city?
Quote from: jlam on November 03, 2021, 04:53:20 PM
Honorable mentions go to Sioux Falls and Omaha, but I-190 and both I-76 and I-129 exist respectively.
Quote from: jlam on November 03, 2021, 04:42:02 PMI find it interesting that even if I-470 is an interstate in the Denver area, it will still go through the city limits even though it's pretty far from most of the city, because of Pena Blvd and the weird city limit borders including the airport.
A Denver fact to restart this thread: All interstates in Colorado go through Denver proper. I believe this is the only state where all of its interstates go through the limits of one city?
Quote from: jlam on November 03, 2021, 05:02:00 PMWhat?
Technically, Honolulu stretches across all of Oahu, but the Goog counts it as just the south shore.
Quote from: Rothman on November 03, 2021, 05:47:27 PMApparently, Honolulu and Honolulu county are a consolidated city-county government. They don't have the same boundaries, though.Quote from: jlam on November 03, 2021, 05:02:00 PMWhat?
Technically, Honolulu stretches across all of Oahu, but the Goog counts it as just the south shore.
Quote from: jlam on November 03, 2021, 05:50:32 PMYour statements appear contradictory.Quote from: Rothman on November 03, 2021, 05:47:27 PMApparently, Honolulu and Honolulu county are a consolidated city-county government. They don't have the same boundaries, though.Quote from: jlam on November 03, 2021, 05:02:00 PMWhat?
Technically, Honolulu stretches across all of Oahu, but the Goog counts it as just the south shore.
Quote from: Rothman on November 03, 2021, 05:51:28 PMQuote from: jlam on November 03, 2021, 05:50:32 PMYour statements appear contradictory.Quote from: Rothman on November 03, 2021, 05:47:27 PMApparently, Honolulu and Honolulu county are a consolidated city-county government. They don't have the same boundaries, though.Quote from: jlam on November 03, 2021, 05:02:00 PMWhat?
Technically, Honolulu stretches across all of Oahu, but the Goog counts it as just the south shore.
Quote from: US20IL64 on November 04, 2021, 04:10:06 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 03, 2021, 05:51:28 PMQuote from: jlam on November 03, 2021, 05:50:32 PMYour statements appear contradictory.Quote from: Rothman on November 03, 2021, 05:47:27 PMApparently, Honolulu and Honolulu county are a consolidated city-county government. They don't have the same boundaries, though.Quote from: jlam on November 03, 2021, 05:02:00 PMWhat?
Technically, Honolulu stretches across all of Oahu, but the Goog counts it as just the south shore.
There is the official 'Honolulu City & County', all of Oahu island, and the "census county division" which is the unincorporated urbanized area on south shore.
Quote from: jayhawkco on November 03, 2021, 04:46:39 PMQuote from: jlam on November 03, 2021, 04:42:02 PM
A Denver fact to restart this thread: All interstates in Colorado go through Denver proper. I believe this is the only state where all of its interstates go through the limits of one city?
And also somewhat interestingly, three of the five only are in Denver for less than a mile (I-76, I-225, and I-70).
North Dakota has all signed interstates at least going through one city (Fargo).
Chris
| Chicago | | | 2,746,388 | | | I-55, I-57, I-90, I-94 |
| Dallas | | | 1,304,379 | | | I-20, I-30, I-35E, I-45 |
| Indianapolis | | | 887,642 | | | I-65, I-69, I-70, I-74 |
| Kansas City | | | 508,090 | | | I-29, I-35, I-49, I-70 |
| St. Louis | | | 301,578 | | | I-44, I-55, I-64, I-70 |
| Birmingham | | | 200,733 | | | I-20, I-22, I-59, I-65 |
| Gary | | | 69,093 | | | I-65, I-80, I-90, I-94 |
Quote from: jayhawkco on November 03, 2021, 04:46:39 PMQuote from: jlam on November 03, 2021, 04:42:02 PM
A Denver fact to restart this thread: All interstates in Colorado go through Denver proper.
And also somewhat interestingly, three of the five only are in Denver for less than a mile (I-76, I-225, and I-70).
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 05, 2021, 10:33:34 PMI believe jayhawkco meant I-270.Quote from: jayhawkco on November 03, 2021, 04:46:39 PMQuote from: jlam on November 03, 2021, 04:42:02 PM
A Denver fact to restart this thread: All interstates in Colorado go through Denver proper.
And also somewhat interestingly, three of the five only are in Denver for less than a mile (I-76, I-225, and I-70).
I don't think this is true for I-70.
(https://i.imgur.com/9FIm2Mn.png)
I know city limits can be iffy on Google Maps, but this seems pretty solid.
The official neighborhood map of the city seems to bear this out as well:
(https://i.imgur.com/gvxnj3x.png)
Quote from: jlam on November 06, 2021, 10:40:32 AMQuote from: CtrlAltDel on November 05, 2021, 10:33:34 PMQuote from: jayhawkco on November 03, 2021, 04:46:39 PMQuote from: jlam on November 03, 2021, 04:42:02 PM
A Denver fact to restart this thread: All interstates in Colorado go through Denver proper.
And also somewhat interestingly, three of the five only are in Denver for less than a mile (I-76, I-225, and I-70).
I don't think this is true for I-70.
I believe jayhawkco meant I-270.
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 12, 2021, 03:53:16 PMAnother random thought to add on to this one: The I-70 family intersects 3 of those 4, with the only one that it doesn't meet is I-405.
All 4 odd divisible by 15 4xx interstate numbers are well known, and can be linked to a specific city or two just by mentioning the interstate:
405 - LA and Seattle
435 - Kansas City
465 - Indianapolis
495 - DC and NYC
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 21, 2022, 11:14:34 PMUS-11 obviously has the most due to the NE-SW angle it travels.
Every x1 US route each x1 meets (or used to meet)
US 1: 21, 41
US 11: 21, 31, 41, 51, 61
US 21: 1, 11
US 31: 11, 41
US 41: 1, 11, 31, 41
US 51: 11, 61
US 61: 51, 71
US 71: 61
US 81: None
US 91: 101
US 101: 91
So it seems like that US 81 is the only x1 US route to not meet another x1 at any point in its history.
Quote from: GaryV on January 22, 2022, 02:09:44 PM
US 41 meets itself? I guess you're thinking of that turnaround in Copper Harbor?
Quote from: GaryV on January 22, 2022, 02:09:44 PM
US 41 meets itself? I guess you're thinking of that turnaround in Copper Harbor?
Quote from: jlam on October 05, 2021, 01:12:09 PM
All x0 interstates (including I-30) meet with the I-29 I-49 superinterstate.
Quote from: bandit957 on January 23, 2022, 05:49:59 PMThat's an old French word simply meaning diamond shape.
The state route shield used by Michigan and North Carolina is called a "lozenge."
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 25, 2022, 12:22:41 PM
Interstate 45, despite being only 284.9 miles long and intrastate as well, both uncommon for interstate ending in 0 or 5, still intersects three x0 interstates, the same number of x0 interstates the border to border Interstate 5 intersects with, and more than Interstate 85 intersects with two.
Quote from: bandit957 on January 23, 2022, 01:02:00 PM
The U.S. and Interstate shields were based on shapes used in heraldry.
Quote from: Henry on October 06, 2021, 10:25:01 AMFor non-x5, I think I-77 is the winner, meeting 20, 40, 70, 80 and 90 (5).
Well, since you mentioned x0s meeting x5s, I'm flipping the script and doing the reverse. And I'm doing the full list this time, including the impostor I-45 (and BTW, I-30, which was excluded from the above list, meets 35, albeit split into two, and 45).
5: 10, 80, 90 (3)
15: 10, 40, 70, 80, 90 (5)
25: 10, 40, 70, 80, 90 (5)
35: 10, 20, 30, 40, 70, 80, 90 (7)
45: 10, 20, 30 (3)
55: 10, 20, 40, 70, 80, 90 (6)
65: 10, 20, 40, 70, 80, 90 (6)
75: 10, 20, 40, 70, 80, 90 (6)
85: 20, 40 (2)
95: 10, 20, 40, 80, 90 (5)
So I-85 interchanges with the fewest x0 interstates, and I-35 interchanges with the most. Of course, I-50 and I-60 don't exist, so none of them will meet all 9. Had I-70 and I-95 met as planned, it would've been 7 for I-70 and 6 for I-95.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on January 30, 2022, 06:52:52 PM
It's worth noting that Vermont doesn't have any x1 or x0 US routes. They have US 2, but that doesn't really count since it's discontinuous. On another note, Vermont, North Dakota, Alaska, and Hawaii don't have an x0 or x5 Interstate.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 30, 2022, 07:26:58 PMQuote from: BlueOutback7 on January 30, 2022, 06:52:52 PM
It's worth noting that Vermont doesn't have any x1 or x0 US routes. They have US 2, but that doesn't really count since it's discontinuous. On another note, Vermont, North Dakota, Alaska, and Hawaii don't have an x0 or x5 Interstate.
By contrast, New Mexico only has x0 or x5 interstates.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on January 30, 2022, 07:29:34 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 30, 2022, 07:26:58 PMQuote from: BlueOutback7 on January 30, 2022, 06:52:52 PM
It's worth noting that Vermont doesn't have any x1 or x0 US routes. They have US 2, but that doesn't really count since it's discontinuous. On another note, Vermont, North Dakota, Alaska, and Hawaii don't have an x0 or x5 Interstate.
By contrast, New Mexico only has x0 or x5 interstates.
So does Wyoming.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 30, 2022, 07:32:44 PMQuote from: BlueOutback7 on January 30, 2022, 07:29:34 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 30, 2022, 07:26:58 PMQuote from: BlueOutback7 on January 30, 2022, 06:52:52 PM
It's worth noting that Vermont doesn't have any x1 or x0 US routes. They have US 2, but that doesn't really count since it's discontinuous. On another note, Vermont, North Dakota, Alaska, and Hawaii don't have an x0 or x5 Interstate.
By contrast, New Mexico only has x0 or x5 interstates.
So does Wyoming.
The City of Dallas has more combined x0 and x5 interstates than New Mexico and Wyoming.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on January 30, 2022, 08:33:42 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 30, 2022, 07:32:44 PMQuote from: BlueOutback7 on January 30, 2022, 07:29:34 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 30, 2022, 07:26:58 PMQuote from: BlueOutback7 on January 30, 2022, 06:52:52 PM
It's worth noting that Vermont doesn't have any x1 or x0 US routes. They have US 2, but that doesn't really count since it's discontinuous. On another note, Vermont, North Dakota, Alaska, and Hawaii don't have an x0 or x5 Interstate.
By contrast, New Mexico only has x0 or x5 interstates.
So does Wyoming.
The City of Dallas has more combined x0 and x5 interstates than New Mexico and Wyoming.
I don't think that's right.
Dallas has I-20, I-30, and I-45, with I-35E being debatable.
New Mexico has I-10, I-25, and I-40, and Wyoming has I-25, I-80, and I-90.
Combined then, New Mexico and Wyoming have 5, which is more than either 3 or 4.
Quote from: 1 on January 30, 2022, 08:39:13 PMQuote from: CtrlAltDel on January 30, 2022, 08:33:42 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 30, 2022, 07:32:44 PMQuote from: BlueOutback7 on January 30, 2022, 07:29:34 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 30, 2022, 07:26:58 PMQuote from: BlueOutback7 on January 30, 2022, 06:52:52 PM
It's worth noting that Vermont doesn't have any x1 or x0 US routes. They have US 2, but that doesn't really count since it's discontinuous. On another note, Vermont, North Dakota, Alaska, and Hawaii don't have an x0 or x5 Interstate.
By contrast, New Mexico only has x0 or x5 interstates.
So does Wyoming.
The City of Dallas has more combined x0 and x5 interstates than New Mexico and Wyoming.
I don't think that's right.
Dallas has I-20, I-30, and I-45, with I-35E being debatable.
New Mexico has I-10, I-25, and I-40, and Wyoming has I-25, I-80, and I-90.
Combined then, New Mexico and Wyoming have 5, which is more than either 3 or 4.
Did you consider 3dis?
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on January 30, 2022, 08:41:52 PM
Does anyone consider 3dis when looking at X0s and X5s?
Quote from: 1 on January 30, 2022, 08:44:39 PMQuote from: CtrlAltDel on January 30, 2022, 08:41:52 PM
Does anyone consider 3dis when looking at X0s and X5s?
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=20439.msg2232509#msg2232509
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 30, 2022, 06:47:16 PM
States by the number of x0 US highways that have passed through it at its peak:
- Montana (10, 20)
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on January 30, 2022, 08:33:42 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 30, 2022, 07:32:44 PMQuote from: BlueOutback7 on January 30, 2022, 07:29:34 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 30, 2022, 07:26:58 PMQuote from: BlueOutback7 on January 30, 2022, 06:52:52 PM
It’s worth noting that Vermont doesn’t have any x1 or x0 US routes. They have US 2, but that doesn’t really count since it’s discontinuous. On another note, Vermont, North Dakota, Alaska, and Hawaii don’t have an x0 or x5 Interstate.
By contrast, New Mexico only has x0 or x5 interstates.
So does Wyoming.
The City of Dallas has more combined x0 and x5 interstates than New Mexico and Wyoming.
I don't think that's right.
Dallas has I-20, I-30, and I-45, with I-35E being debatable.
New Mexico has I-10, I-25, and I-40, and Wyoming has I-25, I-80, and I-90.
Combined then, New Mexico and Wyoming have 5, which is more than either 3 or 4.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 31, 2022, 11:45:42 AM
I tried to word this in a way that I wouldn't get scrutinized by technicalities in verbiage or suffixed routes. Looks like I failed:
The City of Dallas has more combined x0 and x5 interstates than New Mexico and Wyoming.
The City of Dallas has more combined x0 and x5 interstates. I worded it that way so that no one would be confused if I was talking about x0s and x5s individually, or the group as a whole. I looked into the future and thought "if I don't specify combined, people will think I am saying Dallas has more x0 interstates than New Mexico and more x5 interstates than New Mexico." Truth is it has the same number of x0s as New Mexico, so I meant x0 and x5 as a group. That tally is Dalls-4 (I-35E, I-45, I-20, I-30), New Mexico-3 (I-10, I-40, I-25) That's two x0s for both and two for Dallas and 1 for New Mexico x5s if you are scoring at home, and also to take any confusion out of it. I hope that's clear.
than New Mexico and Wyoming. I should have said "individually" at the end of that sentence so that it would be clear I was talking Dallas vs. New Mexico and separately Dallas vs. Wyoming and NOT Dallas vs. New Mexico/Wyoming super state. My fault, but I really thought the sentence was pretty obvious and decided to drop the "individually" for the sake of brevity.
As for I-35E, it's an x5 if you say I-35 goes from Laredo, TX to Duluth, MN. If you say it's three discontinuous routes, then I-35E is just a 3di and that sentence is a lie. Mainly, you cant say its one route from Laredo to Duluth and also say I-35E (or I-35W) is not a part of I-35. Can't have it both ways.
In conclusion, I tried wording that sentence in a way that I wouldn't have to go through the above explanation and could get my point across in one sentence. Plus, it was just a wacky stat that made me think its crazy a city has more mainline interstates than an entire state.
Quote from: SkyPesos on February 04, 2022, 10:20:01 AM
Between I-30 and I-40: Well, there's only one option currently, I-35
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 04, 2022, 12:26:51 PMQuote from: SkyPesos on February 04, 2022, 10:20:01 AM
Between I-30 and I-40: Well, there's only one option currently, I-35
...and the distance is?
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 30, 2022, 06:47:16 PM
States by the number of x0 US highways that have passed through it at its peak:
5
- California (40, 50, 60, 70, 80)
- Illinois (20, 30, 40, 50, 60)
4
- Indiana (20, 30, 40, 50)
- Ohio (20, 30, 40, 50)
- Texas (60, 70, 80, 90)
- West Virginia (30, 40, 50, 60)
3
- Arizona (60, 70, 80)
- Idaho (10, 20, 30)
- Missouri (40, 50, 60)
- New Mexico (60, 70, 80)
- Pennsylvania (20, 30, 40)
- Utah (30, 40, 50)
2
- Alabama (80, 90)
- Colorado (40, 50)
- Iowa (20, 30)
- Kansas (40, 50)
- Nebraska (20, 30)
- New Jersey (30, 40)
- Louisiana (80, 90)
- Maryland (40, 50)
- Mississippi (80, 90)
- Nevada (40, 50)
- Oklahoma (60, 70)
- Oregon (20, 30)
- Virginia (50, 60)
- Wyoming (20, 30)
1
- Arkansas (70)
- DC (50)
- Delaware (40)
- Florida (90)
- Georgia (80)
- Kentucky (60)
- Massachusetts (20)
- Michigan (10)
- Minnesota (10)
- Montana (10)
- New York (20)
- North Carolina (70)
- North Dakota (10)
- Tennessee (70)
- Washington (10)
- Wisconsin (10)
0
- Alaska
- Connecticut
- Hawaii
- New Hampshire
- Maine
- Rhode Island
- South Carolina
- South Dakota
- Vermont
Quote from: Sapphuby on February 05, 2022, 09:45:24 PMWould've been much more significant in the state had the Los Angeles-Chicago US route kept the US 60 number, instead of getting changed to 66 after Kentucky complained about not getting an x0.
:-D U.S. 60 barely counts by the skin of its teeth for being in Illinois for a grand total of less than 3 miles, serving Cairo only.
Quote from: SkyPesos on February 05, 2022, 10:07:18 PMQuote from: Sapphuby on February 05, 2022, 09:45:24 PMWould've been much more significant in the state had the Los Angeles-Chicago US route kept the US 60 number, instead of getting changed to 66 after Kentucky complained about not getting an x0.
:-D U.S. 60 barely counts by the skin of its teeth for being in Illinois for a grand total of less than 3 miles, serving Cairo only.
Illinois actually had 6 x0 US routes planned at one point, with US 10 planned to use US 12's routing between the Twin Cities and Detroit via Chicago in the early days. Pretty impressive if you ask me.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on February 06, 2022, 08:44:32 PM
Something I didn't realize was that I-215 around Salt Lake City is the only auxiliary Interstate in Utah since I-415 was decommissioned.
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on February 07, 2022, 10:06:17 AM
Meanwhile New Mexico appears to not even have idea of what a 3di is, since they have never planned one.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 07, 2022, 08:26:43 AM
North Dakota and Wyoming are similar for having only one 3di and they are both poor excuses for 3di.
Quote from: cstp3103 on February 07, 2022, 02:17:55 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 07, 2022, 08:26:43 AM
North Dakota and Wyoming are similar for having only one 3di and they are both poor excuses for 3di.
You can add Vermont to the list too. I always forget I-189 exists, and for good reason.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on February 07, 2022, 11:17:07 AMQuote from: CNGL-Leudimin on February 07, 2022, 10:06:17 AM
Meanwhile New Mexico appears to not even have idea of what a 3di is, since they have never planned one.
Same deal in Arizona, although they did have two 3dis at one point. I-410 being used on the southernmost piece of I-17 and I-510 for AZ 51. There was also I-710 planned for Tucson.
Quote from: HighwayStar on February 07, 2022, 03:06:10 PMQuote from: cstp3103 on February 07, 2022, 02:17:55 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 07, 2022, 08:26:43 AM
North Dakota and Wyoming are similar for having only one 3di and they are both poor excuses for 3di.
You can add Vermont to the list too. I always forget I-189 exists, and for good reason.
In fairness I-189 was supposed to be a real highway.
Quote from: bob7374 on February 07, 2022, 04:09:25 PMThey botched it again.
For those interested in Interstate trivia, the FHWA Interstate Route Log and Finder List has been updated as of Jan. 26th. Unfortunately, the 2di Table 1 does not include all new interstate designations, such as I-42 in NC, there are some new listings in Tables 2 and 3, such as for I-587 in NC and I-195 in DC:
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/interstate_highway_system/routefinder/ (https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/interstate_highway_system/routefinder/)
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on February 07, 2022, 10:06:17 AM
Meanwhile New Mexico appears to not even have idea of what a 3di is, since they have never planned one.
Quote from: formulanone on February 10, 2022, 04:46:38 PMQuote from: CNGL-Leudimin on February 07, 2022, 10:06:17 AM
Meanwhile New Mexico appears to not even have idea of what a 3di is, since they have never planned one.
I thought that Paseo del Norte (NM 423) was supposed to be a loop, but fizzled out for one of the typical six reasons (no money, freeway revolt, land acquisition failure, environmental impact, no demand, physically impossible).
Quote from: formulanone on February 10, 2022, 04:46:38 PMQuote from: CNGL-Leudimin on February 07, 2022, 10:06:17 AM
Meanwhile New Mexico appears to not even have idea of what a 3di is, since they have never planned one.
I thought that Paseo del Norte (NM 423) was supposed to be a loop, but fizzled out for one of the typical six reasons (no money, freeway revolt, land acquisition failure, environmental impact, no demand, physically impossible).
I should just create a six-sided die with those reasons, and roll it whenever someone asks "why wasn't the Northern Arc of the Cross-Phantom-Boomtown Expressway built?"
Quote from: HighwayStar on February 11, 2022, 01:34:24 AM
I would say you can cut that list down. "physically impossible" is never a real reason, it is always a lame excuse for covering up another reason.
QuoteI would just do a coin with two sides (too broke, too many CAVE people complained)
Quote from: formulanone on February 11, 2022, 09:28:56 AMQuote from: HighwayStar on February 11, 2022, 01:34:24 AM
I would say you can cut that list down. "physically impossible" is never a real reason, it is always a lame excuse for covering up another reason.
I stand up next to a mountain, chopped it down with the side of my hand.QuoteI would just do a coin with two sides (too broke, too many CAVE people complained)
Of course you'd use a coin. Everything is textbook simple and everyone plays by the rules and gets a turn for the same goal. Or sometimes it's because Senator Dogbreath promised his ex-mistress that he won't build it through their elderberry farmland, in exchange for not getting shamed by the press.
Jebus, have a little fun with this hobby for once. It's not the 1950s and it's not SimCIty anymore...those days are history.
Quote from: Kulerage on February 11, 2022, 02:00:32 PM
The only east-west US highway to connect Mexico and Canada is US 62.
Quote from: hbelkins on February 11, 2022, 02:02:27 PMQuote from: Kulerage on February 11, 2022, 02:00:32 PM
The only east-west US highway to connect Mexico and Canada is US 62.
It's not consistently signed E-W. I know New York signs it N-S, and am not sure about Pennsylvania.
Quote from: HighwayStar on February 11, 2022, 11:25:35 AMQuote from: formulanone on February 11, 2022, 09:28:56 AMQuote from: HighwayStar on February 11, 2022, 01:34:24 AM
I would say you can cut that list down. "physically impossible" is never a real reason, it is always a lame excuse for covering up another reason.
I stand up next to a mountain, chopped it down with the side of my hand.QuoteI would just do a coin with two sides (too broke, too many CAVE people complained)
Of course you'd use a coin. Everything is textbook simple and everyone plays by the rules and gets a turn for the same goal. Or sometimes it's because Senator Dogbreath promised his ex-mistress that he won't build it through their elderberry farmland, in exchange for not getting shamed by the press.
Jebus, have a little fun with this hobby for once. It's not the 1950s and it's not SimCIty anymore...those days are history.
Those days are only history here it seems. China has no issue outbuilding us in infrastructure at every turn. Though fortunately history can and does repeat itself...
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 11, 2022, 03:12:34 PMQuote from: HighwayStar on February 11, 2022, 11:25:35 AMQuote from: formulanone on February 11, 2022, 09:28:56 AMQuote from: HighwayStar on February 11, 2022, 01:34:24 AM
I would say you can cut that list down. "physically impossible" is never a real reason, it is always a lame excuse for covering up another reason.
I stand up next to a mountain, chopped it down with the side of my hand.QuoteI would just do a coin with two sides (too broke, too many CAVE people complained)
Of course you'd use a coin. Everything is textbook simple and everyone plays by the rules and gets a turn for the same goal. Or sometimes it's because Senator Dogbreath promised his ex-mistress that he won't build it through their elderberry farmland, in exchange for not getting shamed by the press.
Jebus, have a little fun with this hobby for once. It's not the 1950s and it's not SimCIty anymore...those days are history.
Those days are only history here it seems. China has no issue outbuilding us in infrastructure at every turn. Though fortunately history can and does repeat itself...
China will also disappear you if your opposition to an infrastructure project becomes too inconvenient.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 11, 2022, 03:12:34 PMQuote from: HighwayStar on February 11, 2022, 11:25:35 AMQuote from: formulanone on February 11, 2022, 09:28:56 AMQuote from: HighwayStar on February 11, 2022, 01:34:24 AM
I would say you can cut that list down. "physically impossible" is never a real reason, it is always a lame excuse for covering up another reason.
I stand up next to a mountain, chopped it down with the side of my hand.QuoteI would just do a coin with two sides (too broke, too many CAVE people complained)
Of course you'd use a coin. Everything is textbook simple and everyone plays by the rules and gets a turn for the same goal. Or sometimes it's because Senator Dogbreath promised his ex-mistress that he won't build it through their elderberry farmland, in exchange for not getting shamed by the press.
Jebus, have a little fun with this hobby for once. It's not the 1950s and it's not SimCIty anymore...those days are history.
Those days are only history here it seems. China has no issue outbuilding us in infrastructure at every turn. Though fortunately history can and does repeat itself...
China will also disappear you if your opposition to an infrastructure project becomes too inconvenient.
Quote from: US 89 on February 11, 2022, 03:19:39 PMQuote from: Scott5114 on February 11, 2022, 03:12:34 PMQuote from: HighwayStar on February 11, 2022, 11:25:35 AMQuote from: formulanone on February 11, 2022, 09:28:56 AMQuote from: HighwayStar on February 11, 2022, 01:34:24 AM
I would say you can cut that list down. "physically impossible" is never a real reason, it is always a lame excuse for covering up another reason.
I stand up next to a mountain, chopped it down with the side of my hand.QuoteI would just do a coin with two sides (too broke, too many CAVE people complained)
Of course you'd use a coin. Everything is textbook simple and everyone plays by the rules and gets a turn for the same goal. Or sometimes it's because Senator Dogbreath promised his ex-mistress that he won't build it through their elderberry farmland, in exchange for not getting shamed by the press.
Jebus, have a little fun with this hobby for once. It's not the 1950s and it's not SimCIty anymore...those days are history.
Those days are only history here it seems. China has no issue outbuilding us in infrastructure at every turn. Though fortunately history can and does repeat itself...
China will also disappear you if your opposition to an infrastructure project becomes too inconvenient.
And if you happen to be working one of said Chinese infrastructure projects, you're probably getting abused and paid a tiny fraction of what your labor is worth. Not to mention the lack of any sort of environmental regulations over there.
Quote from: HighwayStar on February 11, 2022, 03:21:26 PM
The end justifies the means.
Quote from: US 89 on February 11, 2022, 03:48:03 PMQuote from: HighwayStar on February 11, 2022, 03:21:26 PM
The end justifies the means.
Nah.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on February 11, 2022, 02:56:09 PMThe only *predominantly east-west US highway to connect Mexico and Canada is US 62.Quote from: hbelkins on February 11, 2022, 02:02:27 PMQuote from: Kulerage on February 11, 2022, 02:00:32 PM
The only east-west US highway to connect Mexico and Canada is US 62.
It's not consistently signed E-W. I know New York signs it N-S, and am not sure about Pennsylvania.
Pennsylvania does sign it north south. This happens once it crosses over from Ohio.
Quote from: HighwayStar on February 11, 2022, 03:21:26 PMQuote from: US 89 on February 11, 2022, 03:19:39 PMQuote from: Scott5114 on February 11, 2022, 03:12:34 PMQuote from: HighwayStar on February 11, 2022, 11:25:35 AMQuote from: formulanone on February 11, 2022, 09:28:56 AMQuote from: HighwayStar on February 11, 2022, 01:34:24 AM
I would say you can cut that list down. "physically impossible" is never a real reason, it is always a lame excuse for covering up another reason.
I stand up next to a mountain, chopped it down with the side of my hand.QuoteI would just do a coin with two sides (too broke, too many CAVE people complained)
Of course you'd use a coin. Everything is textbook simple and everyone plays by the rules and gets a turn for the same goal. Or sometimes it's because Senator Dogbreath promised his ex-mistress that he won't build it through their elderberry farmland, in exchange for not getting shamed by the press.
Jebus, have a little fun with this hobby for once. It's not the 1950s and it's not SimCIty anymore...those days are history.
Those days are only history here it seems. China has no issue outbuilding us in infrastructure at every turn. Though fortunately history can and does repeat itself...
China will also disappear you if your opposition to an infrastructure project becomes too inconvenient.
And if you happen to be working one of said Chinese infrastructure projects, you're probably getting abused and paid a tiny fraction of what your labor is worth. Not to mention the lack of any sort of environmental regulations over there.
Again, it really does not matter at the end of the day. The fact that they can get things done, and we can't is a serious problem. The fact that we don't approve of their methods of doing business does not really make a difference in the end.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on February 11, 2022, 04:12:09 PMQuote from: HighwayStar on February 11, 2022, 03:21:26 PMQuote from: US 89 on February 11, 2022, 03:19:39 PMQuote from: Scott5114 on February 11, 2022, 03:12:34 PMQuote from: HighwayStar on February 11, 2022, 11:25:35 AMQuote from: formulanone on February 11, 2022, 09:28:56 AMQuote from: HighwayStar on February 11, 2022, 01:34:24 AM
I would say you can cut that list down. "physically impossible" is never a real reason, it is always a lame excuse for covering up another reason.
I stand up next to a mountain, chopped it down with the side of my hand.QuoteI would just do a coin with two sides (too broke, too many CAVE people complained)
Of course you'd use a coin. Everything is textbook simple and everyone plays by the rules and gets a turn for the same goal. Or sometimes it's because Senator Dogbreath promised his ex-mistress that he won't build it through their elderberry farmland, in exchange for not getting shamed by the press.
Jebus, have a little fun with this hobby for once. It's not the 1950s and it's not SimCIty anymore...those days are history.
Those days are only history here it seems. China has no issue outbuilding us in infrastructure at every turn. Though fortunately history can and does repeat itself...
China will also disappear you if your opposition to an infrastructure project becomes too inconvenient.
And if you happen to be working one of said Chinese infrastructure projects, you're probably getting abused and paid a tiny fraction of what your labor is worth. Not to mention the lack of any sort of environmental regulations over there.
Again, it really does not matter at the end of the day. The fact that they can get things done, and we can't is a serious problem. The fact that we don't approve of their methods of doing business does not really make a difference in the end.
What advantage do they have by "getting things done" in China that we won't allow here?
Quote from: JayhawkCO on February 11, 2022, 03:51:25 PM
Only on AARoads.
Quote from: formulanone on February 11, 2022, 05:27:24 PMQuote from: JayhawkCO on February 11, 2022, 03:51:25 PM
Only on AARoads.
(Or possibly CANRoads.)
Quote from: Kulerage on February 11, 2022, 03:50:42 PMQuote from: BlueOutback7 on February 11, 2022, 02:56:09 PMThe only *predominantly east-west US highway to connect Mexico and Canada is US 62.Quote from: hbelkins on February 11, 2022, 02:02:27 PMQuote from: Kulerage on February 11, 2022, 02:00:32 PM
The only east-west US highway to connect Mexico and Canada is US 62.
It's not consistently signed E-W. I know New York signs it N-S, and am not sure about Pennsylvania.
Pennsylvania does sign it north south. This happens once it crosses over from Ohio.
Better? ;-)
Quote from: SEWIGuy on February 11, 2022, 04:12:09 PMQuote from: HighwayStar on February 11, 2022, 03:21:26 PMQuote from: US 89 on February 11, 2022, 03:19:39 PMQuote from: Scott5114 on February 11, 2022, 03:12:34 PMQuote from: HighwayStar on February 11, 2022, 11:25:35 AMQuote from: formulanone on February 11, 2022, 09:28:56 AMQuote from: HighwayStar on February 11, 2022, 01:34:24 AM
I would say you can cut that list down. "physically impossible" is never a real reason, it is always a lame excuse for covering up another reason.
I stand up next to a mountain, chopped it down with the side of my hand.QuoteI would just do a coin with two sides (too broke, too many CAVE people complained)
Of course you'd use a coin. Everything is textbook simple and everyone plays by the rules and gets a turn for the same goal. Or sometimes it's because Senator Dogbreath promised his ex-mistress that he won't build it through their elderberry farmland, in exchange for not getting shamed by the press.
Jebus, have a little fun with this hobby for once. It's not the 1950s and it's not SimCIty anymore...those days are history.
Those days are only history here it seems. China has no issue outbuilding us in infrastructure at every turn. Though fortunately history can and does repeat itself...
China will also disappear you if your opposition to an infrastructure project becomes too inconvenient.
And if you happen to be working one of said Chinese infrastructure projects, you're probably getting abused and paid a tiny fraction of what your labor is worth. Not to mention the lack of any sort of environmental regulations over there.
Again, it really does not matter at the end of the day. The fact that they can get things done, and we can't is a serious problem. The fact that we don't approve of their methods of doing business does not really make a difference in the end.
What advantage do they have by "getting things done" in China that we won't allow here?
Quote from: hbelkins on February 12, 2022, 08:59:42 PMQuote from: Kulerage on February 11, 2022, 03:50:42 PMQuote from: BlueOutback7 on February 11, 2022, 02:56:09 PMThe only *predominantly east-west US highway to connect Mexico and Canada is US 62.Quote from: hbelkins on February 11, 2022, 02:02:27 PMQuote from: Kulerage on February 11, 2022, 02:00:32 PM
The only east-west US highway to connect Mexico and Canada is US 62.
It's not consistently signed E-W. I know New York signs it N-S, and am not sure about Pennsylvania.
Pennsylvania does sign it north south. This happens once it crosses over from Ohio.
Better? ;-)
Has anyone ever done an analysis of US 62 to determine if it's more E-W or N-S? I've seen some people comment on other diagonal routes, such as I-71 (signed N-S), US 42 (E-W in Kentucky, N-S on Ohio), I-26 (E-W), and other routes. There's some type of formula that can determine if a route is more N-S than E-W, but I don't know what it is or how to apply it.
Quote from: HighwayStar on February 12, 2022, 09:02:53 PMI'm pretty sure that was used for I-4, and the E-W distance beat out the N-S distance by a small margin, which is why it's an E-W highway.
A simplistic approach would look at the delta in longitude versus the delta in latitude.
Quote from: HighwayStar on February 12, 2022, 09:02:53 PM
A simplistic approach would look at the delta in longitude versus the delta in latitude.
Quote from: US 89 on February 12, 2022, 11:50:29 PMQuote from: HighwayStar on February 12, 2022, 09:02:53 PM
A simplistic approach would look at the delta in longitude versus the delta in latitude.
Potential problem: the size of a degree of longitude increases the closer you get to the equator.
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on February 16, 2022, 03:03:30 PMSF to Sacramento is probably the most noticeable dip in US 40 as a whole. Sacramento is about the same latitude as St Louis (both at 38.6), which US 40 also dips to the south to serve.
However, when it extended all the way to California, it dipped considerably South after Winnemucca. It should have passed through Redding.
Quote from: SkyPesos on February 16, 2022, 03:24:24 PMQuote from: CNGL-Leudimin on February 16, 2022, 03:03:30 PMSF to Sacramento is probably the most noticeable dip in US 40 as a whole. Sacramento is about the same latitude as St Louis (both at 38.6), which US 40 also dips to the south to serve.
However, when it extended all the way to California, it dipped considerably South after Winnemucca. It should have passed through Redding.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 26, 2022, 03:45:08 PM
I am going to take a stab and say I-29 holds the record of almost entering the most states but not entering them at 3 (Kansas, Nebraska and Minnesota). Can another do better?
Quote from: Mapmikey on February 26, 2022, 04:38:13 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 26, 2022, 03:45:08 PM
I am going to take a stab and say I-29 holds the record of almost entering the most states but not entering them at 3 (Kansas, Nebraska and Minnesota). Can another do better?
A couple more with 3...
I-80: Colorado, Michigan, New York
I-49: Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas
Quote from: Mapmikey on February 26, 2022, 04:38:13 PMWill this be true when I-49 is complete? Currently, the Texarkana bypass section truncates at US 71 on the state line. The ramps go into Texas according to Google Maps, but I don't know the accuracy of the state line shown. In any case, it does look like I-49 will eventually go through a tiny bit of Texas.Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 26, 2022, 03:45:08 PM
I am going to take a stab and say I-29 holds the record of almost entering the most states but not entering them at 3 (Kansas, Nebraska and Minnesota). Can another do better?
A couple more with 3...
I-80: Colorado, Michigan, New York
I-49: Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas
Quote from: skluth on February 27, 2022, 11:31:05 AMQuote from: Mapmikey on February 26, 2022, 04:38:13 PMWill this be true when I-49 is complete? Currently, the Texarkana bypass section truncates at US 71 on the state line. The ramps go into Texas according to Google Maps, but I don't know the accuracy of the state line shown. In any case, it does look like I-49 will eventually go through a tiny bit of Texas.Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 26, 2022, 03:45:08 PM
I am going to take a stab and say I-29 holds the record of almost entering the most states but not entering them at 3 (Kansas, Nebraska and Minnesota). Can another do better?
A couple more with 3...
I-80: Colorado, Michigan, New York
I-49: Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 26, 2022, 03:45:08 PM
I am going to take a stab and say I-29 holds the record of almost entering the most states but not entering them at 3 (Kansas, Nebraska and Minnesota). Can another do better?
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on February 27, 2022, 01:28:08 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 26, 2022, 03:45:08 PM
I am going to take a stab and say I-29 holds the record of almost entering the most states but not entering them at 3 (Kansas, Nebraska and Minnesota). Can another do better?
The northern I-87 misses New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Vermont.
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on March 22, 2022, 04:32:44 PM
FYI there's an unsigned I-305 in Sacramento. Only existing per FHWA, I believe Caltrans doesn't recognize it.
Quote from: SkyPesos on March 25, 2022, 09:10:51 PM
US 21 is an exception to the "x1 US routes are major" rule, even in its peak length. Four of its neighboring N-S routes (19, 23, 25 and 27) are longer than it, probably because 19 goes through FL, 25 goes through MI, 23 and 27 goes through both, and 21 goes through neither. I wonder how US 21 got the x1 designation then...
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on March 25, 2022, 09:15:22 PMYou missed the bold part. I know that it used to go all the way north to Cleveland, it's that 19, 23, 25 and 27 are still longer even with that.Quote from: SkyPesos on March 25, 2022, 09:10:51 PM
US 21 is an exception to the "x1 US routes are major" rule, even in its peak length. Four of its neighboring N-S routes (19, 23, 25 and 27) are longer than it, probably because 19 goes through FL, 25 goes through MI, 23 and 27 goes through both, and 21 goes through neither. I wonder how US 21 got the x1 designation then...
That's because US 21 used to run to Cleveland, Ohio before I-77 came along. Back then, it was a true x1 US highway. Now it ends in Wytheville, Virginia. And also, 21 is west of 19, which was done to keep the grid in order.
Quote from: SkyPesos on March 25, 2022, 09:50:56 PMQuote from: BlueOutback7 on March 25, 2022, 09:15:22 PMYou missed the bold part. I know that it used to go all the way north to Cleveland, it's that 19, 23, 25 and 27 are still longer even with that.Quote from: SkyPesos on March 25, 2022, 09:10:51 PM
US 21 is an exception to the "x1 US routes are major" rule, even in its peak length. Four of its neighboring N-S routes (19, 23, 25 and 27) are longer than it, probably because 19 goes through FL, 25 goes through MI, 23 and 27 goes through both, and 21 goes through neither. I wonder how US 21 got the x1 designation then...
That’s because US 21 used to run to Cleveland, Ohio before I-77 came along. Back then, it was a true x1 US highway. Now it ends in Wytheville, Virginia. And also, 21 is west of 19, which was done to keep the grid in order.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on March 25, 2022, 10:11:18 PMQuote from: SkyPesos on March 25, 2022, 09:50:56 PMQuote from: BlueOutback7 on March 25, 2022, 09:15:22 PMYou missed the bold part. I know that it used to go all the way north to Cleveland, it's that 19, 23, 25 and 27 are still longer even with that.Quote from: SkyPesos on March 25, 2022, 09:10:51 PM
US 21 is an exception to the "x1 US routes are major" rule, even in its peak length. Four of its neighboring N-S routes (19, 23, 25 and 27) are longer than it, probably because 19 goes through FL, 25 goes through MI, 23 and 27 goes through both, and 21 goes through neither. I wonder how US 21 got the x1 designation then...
That's because US 21 used to run to Cleveland, Ohio before I-77 came along. Back then, it was a true x1 US highway. Now it ends in Wytheville, Virginia. And also, 21 is west of 19, which was done to keep the grid in order.
Shoot, I did miss that. Maybe US 21 could have reached Florida if it were sent down US 301 in Orangeburg, SC and assumed that all the way down to Sarasota with the rest of 21 becoming a state route. 301 is rather long for a 3dus.
Quote from: jmacswimmer on October 06, 2021, 11:40:28 AMDidn't know how I skipped over this post initially, but if that is the case, that would make two 41 and 75 Interstate/Parallel US Route pairs: I-75/US 41 and I-41/US 75.Quote from: SkyPesos on October 06, 2021, 11:32:25 AM
^ I've always thought I-29/I-49 as a better I-45 than actual I-45 itself.
Agreed - and then I-45 could be a better I-41 than actual I-41! :-D
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Quote from: SkyPesos on April 04, 2022, 12:44:52 PMQuote from: jmacswimmer on October 06, 2021, 11:40:28 AMDidn't know how I skipped over this post initially, but if that is the case, that would make two 41 and 75 Interstate/Parallel US Route pairs: I-75/US 41 and I-41/US 75.Quote from: SkyPesos on October 06, 2021, 11:32:25 AM
^ I've always thought I-29/I-49 as a better I-45 than actual I-45 itself.
Agreed - and then I-45 could be a better I-41 than actual I-41! :-D
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Quote from: paulthemapguy on April 04, 2022, 09:04:56 PMAlso 70 and 40!Quote from: SkyPesos on April 04, 2022, 12:44:52 PMQuote from: jmacswimmer on October 06, 2021, 11:40:28 AMDidn't know how I skipped over this post initially, but if that is the case, that would make two 41 and 75 Interstate/Parallel US Route pairs: I-75/US 41 and I-41/US 75.Quote from: SkyPesos on October 06, 2021, 11:32:25 AM
^ I've always thought I-29/I-49 as a better I-45 than actual I-45 itself.
Agreed - and then I-45 could be a better I-41 than actual I-41! :-D
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Just like 78 and 22!
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on April 04, 2022, 12:37:21 PM
US-191 is an original route but has nothing in common today with it's original route.
I don't know if it's the only one, but still pretty unusual.
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on April 05, 2022, 08:28:25 AM
Well, AFAIK US 191 has a section of its original route in West Yellowstone (and unofficially to Madison Campground), but it is now reversed (what was originally North is now South and vice-versa), and for a time it wasn't part of US 191. US 601, on the other hand, has none of its original route remaining.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on April 05, 2022, 10:36:17 AMThree of the x21s (221, 321, 421) are longer than US 21. 421 is long enough that it probably could've been US 37, and 231 as US 39, but that's fictional.
On the subject of US-191, how many 3dus are longer than their parent? In US-191's case, comically longer that it is now a border to border highway.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on April 05, 2022, 10:36:17 AM
On the subject of US-191, how many 3dus are longer than their parent? In US-191's case, comically longer that it is now a border to border highway.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on April 05, 2022, 10:36:17 AM
On the subject of US-191, how many 3dus are longer than their parent? In US-191's case, comically longer that it is now a border to border highway.
Quote from: jlam on April 05, 2022, 01:23:44 PM
US 166 is longer than current US 66.
US 199 is longer than current US 99.
US 400 is longer than current US 0.
:sombrero:
Are there any 3di that are longer than their respective 2di?
Quote from: jlam on April 05, 2022, 01:23:44 PM
Are there any 3di that are longer than their respective 2di?
Quote from: jlam on April 05, 2022, 01:23:44 PMI-238 :-D
US 166 is longer than current US 66.
US 199 is longer than current US 99.
US 400 is longer than current US 0.
:sombrero:
Are there any 3di that are longer than their respective 2di?
Quote from: vdeane on April 15, 2022, 08:17:03 PMI thought I-95 was using a continuation of I-80's mileage between the NJ Turnpike and the GWB east of the latter's terminus. Forgot to mention that in the other post, but I thought it was interesting that one interstate is continuing another interstate's mileage and exit numbers past a terminus, like how I-70 continues I-270's mileposts in IL.
I-95 doesn't have a concurrency with I-80. I-80 ends at I-95 and the exit numbers there are based on the mileage from I-95's originally planned route in NJ (note that this section was also originally under NJDOT jurisdiction before being transferred to NJTA). The numbers even continue south of I-80 (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8597828,-74.0119368,3a,32.7y,195.9h,92.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scnWrjEUx7X9fCM-zfUnMcw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).
Quote from: kurumi on April 15, 2022, 10:01:47 PMWe need I-128, I-256 or I-512 for only prime factors of 2 now. 128 is easy, allow MassDOT to pull an I-238 with MA 128?
The "roundest" 3-digit interstate, in terms of prime factors, is Interstate 384. It's 2^7 * 3. All other existing 3di's have prime factors larger than 3.
Quote from: SkyPesos on April 15, 2022, 07:24:25 PMGreat list!
List of all interstate concurrencies for each 2di with one or more, and the ones that they keep and lose exit number continuity in. If two interstates start at mile 0 at the same point in a state, and both of them continues the mileage after the concurrency instead of resetting to 0 (like I-20/59 AL or I-55/64 MO), it's neither a win nor loss for either interstate.
Quote from: SkyPesos on April 15, 2022, 07:24:25 PM
List of all interstate concurrencies for each 2di with one or more, and the ones that they keep and lose exit number continuity in. If two interstates start at mile 0 at the same point in a state, and both of them continues the mileage after the concurrency instead of resetting to 0 (like I-20/59 AL or I-55/64 MO), it's neither a win nor loss for either interstate.
I-5: Keep 10
I-10: Lose 5, 35
I-15: Keep 80,84,90
I-20: Lose 59 (MS)
I-24: Keep 69. Lose 40, 65
I-26: Lose 240
I-29: Keep 435. lose 35 (mile resets to its own north of concurrency).
I-35: Keep 10, 410, 40, 44, 29. Lose 70 (2A starts at where I-70 enters, so this whole loop can be considered as I-70's exit numbers), 80, 94 (E)
I-39: Lose 90 (IL and WI)
I-40: Keep 55, 65, 24, 75. Lose 35, 85
I-41: Lose 94, 894
I-43: Lose 894, 94
I-44: Keep 49, 55. Lose 35
I-49: Lose 44
I-55: Keep 70, 72, 74. Lose 20, 40, 44, 64 (MO)
I-57: Keep 64, 70
I-59: Keep 20 (MS)
I-64: Keep 55 (MO). Lose 57, 75, 77, 81, 95
I-65: Keep 24, 70. Lose 40
I-69: Lose 37, 55, 24, 465 (future), 96, 94
I-70: Keep 35, 71, 79. Lose 55, 57, 65, 76. Special case: uses I-270's mileage in most of IL.
I-71: Lose 75, 70
I-72: Lose 55
I-73: Keep 74
I-74: Keep 280, Lose 55, 465, 275, 73
I-75: Keep 85, 64, 71. Lose 40
I-76: Keep 77, 70
I-77: Keep 64. Lose 76, 81
I-79: Lose 70
I-80: Keep 580, 35, 94 (IL), 95. Lose 15, 94 (IN), 90 (IN)
I-81: Keep 77, 64, 86
I-83: Lose 695
I-84: Keep 380. Lose 15
I-85: Keep 40. Lose 75
I-86: Lose 81
I-87: Keep 287
I-90: Keep 94 (WI), 39 (WI and IL), 80 (IN). Lose 15, 94 (IL)
I-94: Keep 35E, 43, 41, 90 (IL), 80 (IN), 69. Lose 90 (WI), 80 (IN)
I-95: Keep 64, 495 (VA). Lose 80
I-96: Keep 69
Quote from: Evan_Th on April 16, 2022, 01:47:39 AMQuote from: SkyPesos on April 15, 2022, 07:24:25 PMGreat list!
List of all interstate concurrencies for each 2di with one or more, and the ones that they keep and lose exit number continuity in. If two interstates start at mile 0 at the same point in a state, and both of them continues the mileage after the concurrency instead of resetting to 0 (like I-20/59 AL or I-55/64 MO), it's neither a win nor loss for either interstate.
I thought of constructing a ranking of all interstates from this, but then I realized that can't be consistently done. 40 outranks 55, which outranks 70, which outranks 35, which outranks 40 again.
Quote from: kurumi on April 15, 2022, 10:01:47 PMBetter to write it as 27-3, or it can read as 221...
The "roundest" 3-digit interstate, in terms of prime factors, is Interstate 384. It's 2^7 * 3. All other existing 3di's have prime factors larger than 3.
Quote from: kurumi on April 15, 2022, 10:01:47 PM
The "roundest" 3-digit interstate, in terms of prime factors, is Interstate 384. It's 2^7 * 3. All other existing 3di's have prime factors larger than 3.
Quote from: paulthemapguy on March 29, 2023, 11:54:37 AMQuote from: kurumi on April 15, 2022, 10:01:47 PM
The "roundest" 3-digit interstate, in terms of prime factors, is Interstate 384. It's 2^7 * 3. All other existing 3di's have prime factors larger than 3.
Cool, so I'm not the only one who thinks about numbers this way!
It's the Interstate highway with the MOST composite number!
I wonder what the US Highway is with the most composite number? 360 or something?
Quote from: pderocco on April 01, 2023, 12:34:44 AMAlso, two of them with 4 different prime factors that currently don't exist: I-570 (2*3*5*19) and I-870 (2*3*5*29) are under the same parent interstate, and both have been proposed as a number for a freeway in the past.
How about this? The roads with the most different prime factors are I-210 (2*3*5*7), I-390 (2*3*5*13), I-510 (2*3*5*17), I-630 (2*3^2*5*7), I-690 (2*3*5*23), I-780 (2^2*3*5*13), I-840 (2^3*3*5*7), I-910 (2*5*7*13), and I-990 (2*3^3*5*11). There are none with five, because the smallest possible one (2*3*5*7*11) doesn't fit into three digits.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on April 01, 2023, 12:49:01 PMI-787
Going oppositely, what is the highest prime Interstate?
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on April 01, 2023, 02:31:45 PM
With the exception of I-2 (being the only even prime it's also the only prime 2di to go East-West) any prime interstates must either go North-South (2di) or branch off a North-South 2di (3di)
For US Routes is simpler: any prime US Routes, with the exception of both instances of US 2, must run North-South.
Quote from: SkyPesos on September 13, 2023, 08:46:47 AM
Interstates that don't use their own mile markers/exit numbers through the majority of their route through a state:
I-80 IN: Shares mile markers with I-94 for its first 16 miles, then uses I-90/ITR's mile markers east of the I-94 split. Note how I-80 in Indiana doesn't even have its own Wiki article due to being entirely concurrent with other interstates in the state.
| Interstate | Direction | Last x0 or x5 Junction | Distance past that junction (miles) |
| 70 | E | 75 | 469 |
| 75 | S | 10 | 467 |
| 75 | N | 80/90 | 412 |
| 29 | N | 90 | 386 |
| 95 | N | 90 | 370 |
| 95 | S | 10 | 352 |
| 15 | N | 90 | 266 |
| 49 | N | 40 | 263 |
| 35/35E | N | 90 | 246 |
| 91 | N | 90 | 221 |
Quote from: SkyPesos on November 12, 2023, 09:20:43 PM
Interstates with 200+ miles pass their final interchange with an x0 or x5 (Let me know if I missed any):
Interstate Direction Last x0 or x5 Junction Distance past that junction (miles) 70 E 75 469 75 S 10 467 75 N 80/90 412 29 N 90 386 95 N 90 370 95 S 10 352 15 N 90 266 49 N 40 263 35/35E N 90 246 91 N 90 221
If I-69 in TX gets finished, it would be about 350 miles south of I-10 to the Mexico border via the 69E branch.