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Title: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 30, 2011, 10:27:15 PM
I thought that we should have a specific thread in this section for things in SW Pennsylvania that don't need their own thread.

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Just was up in Zelienople on Friday and the brand new ramps at I-79 Exit #88 look very close to be ready to be opened.  Everything was painted.  Only things they need to finish on Little Creek Road is to put up the concrete divider on the new bridge (they were installing the rebar for it when I drove by), and install the traffic lights at the ramp intersections.  As for on I-79, they still need to install the new signs for the ramp going NB (SB already existed, so no new signage was needed for that direction).  They installed a new overhead gantry for Exit #87 (PA-68) ramp to replace the sign that was on the side of the road (which was still up as of last Friday).  On that gantry, they also have a new sign for Exit #88, but it was covered.  I got a picture of it, and I'll post it later once I get it off my camera and crop it.

Project website: http://www.dot.state.pa.us/penndot/districts/d10const.nsf/FS79Ramp?OpenFrameSet
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 16, 2011, 08:33:18 PM
Another update on the I-79 Exit #88 project.

Just traveled the area again today and all the traffic lights have been installed for both sets of ramps, plus the Little Creek Road/Seneca School Road intersection.  The ramp traffic lights are currently set on flashing mode, while the one @ Little Creek Road/Seneca School Road intersection has been turned on and is activated.  The concrete divider is also inplace on the bridge over I-79 and traffic is using both sides of the bridge finally.  Everything for the interchange seems to be ready to go for it to be opened fully (currently, only the SB off-ramp is open since it was one of the two original ramps; other was the NB on-ramp).

The only thing I could think that could be holding up the full opening of the interchange could be some missing signage for the ramp South of Exit #87.  There are some foundations for signs, but no polls/signage.  There are at least two sets of them.  If that's what's holding up PennDOT from opening the interchange, it's stupid.  They have at least the 1 mile sign and signage at the interchange already up and covered, that should be enough for now to open it up as everything else is completed.

Hopefully they will have the interchange fully opened up before the end of the year.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 21, 2011, 06:50:50 AM
Another update on the I-79 Exit #88 project.

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Hopefully they will have the interchange fully opened up before the end of the year.

Well, it looks like the interchange is now open.  According to this article (http://cranberry.patch.com/articles/i-79-seneca-ramps-expected-to-open-this-week), the new ramps were opened yesterday. :)  Can't wait to be able to use them the next time I'm up that way, and to get pictures of the signs uncovered, lol. :D

EDIT: And here's the PennDOT release (http://www.dot.state.pa.us/penndot/districts/district10.nsf/417b56c78f6336788525726f005d57eb/fdfbc93de708fe208525796c00554dca?OpenDocument) on the opening of the interchange ramps which was posted yesterday (20th).  So, it seems the ramps are opening this afternoon. :)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: surferdude on December 22, 2011, 04:05:41 PM
When they built I-79 through that area, they never thought that the area would grow.  Boy they where wrong and it has cost them a lot of money to upgrade the ramps from partial ramps to a full interchange.  But they have upgraded what they can. 
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 22, 2011, 09:08:35 PM
When they built I-79 through that area, they never thought that the area would grow.  Boy they where wrong and it has cost them a lot of money to upgrade the ramps from partial ramps to a full interchange.  But they have upgraded what they can. 

Yeah, I hear ya.  Too bad they can't make the PA-68 interchange a full one. :(

You know, PennDOT should post a US-19 Truck route there now. ;)  Since Exit #88 is now a full interchange, a truck bypass of Zelienople can now be signed. ;)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: surferdude on December 27, 2011, 11:45:09 AM
When they built I-79 through that area, they never thought that the area would grow.  Boy they where wrong and it has cost them a lot of money to upgrade the ramps from partial ramps to a full interchange.  But they have upgraded what they can. 

Yeah, I hear ya.  Too bad they can't make the PA-68 interchange a full one. :(

You know, PennDOT should post a US-19 Truck route there now. ;)  Since Exit #88 is now a full interchange, a truck bypass of Zelienople can now be signed. ;)

I think if they where to sign it as US  19 Truck people would get confused with McKnight Road in Allegheny County. 

It would be very costly complete the ramps at PA Route 68, for the North Bound on ramp and South Bound off ramp which would have to span the Connequenessing Creek. 
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 27, 2011, 07:59:51 PM
When they built I-79 through that area, they never thought that the area would grow.  Boy they where wrong and it has cost them a lot of money to upgrade the ramps from partial ramps to a full interchange.  But they have upgraded what they can. 

Yeah, I hear ya.  Too bad they can't make the PA-68 interchange a full one. :(

You know, PennDOT should post a US-19 Truck route there now. ;)  Since Exit #88 is now a full interchange, a truck bypass of Zelienople can now be signed. ;)

I think if they where to sign it as US  19 Truck people would get confused with McKnight Road in Allegheny County.

I personally don't think people would get confused, but that's just me.  Maybe sign it as "Alt US-19" instead?  And then put up signs for through trucks to follow Alt US-19.  But also put up signs allowing trucks going SB on US-19 saying trucks are allowed to use US-19 to get to PA-68 EB (since no access going SB on I-79) and a sign going NB on US-19 allowing trucks to get to PA-68 WB.  Otherwise, ban trucks from downtown there (unless they need to get to PA-288).
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: surferdude on December 29, 2011, 01:06:18 PM
When they built I-79 through that area, they never thought that the area would grow.  Boy they where wrong and it has cost them a lot of money to upgrade the ramps from partial ramps to a full interchange.  But they have upgraded what they can. 

Yeah, I hear ya.  Too bad they can't make the PA-68 interchange a full one. :(

You know, PennDOT should post a US-19 Truck route there now. ;)  Since Exit #88 is now a full interchange, a truck bypass of Zelienople can now be signed. ;)

I think if they where to sign it as US  19 Truck people would get confused with McKnight Road in Allegheny County.

I personally don't think people would get confused, but that's just me.  Maybe sign it as "Alt US-19" instead?  And then put up signs for through trucks to follow Alt US-19.  But also put up signs allowing trucks going SB on US-19 saying trucks are allowed to use US-19 to get to PA-68 EB (since no access going SB on I-79) and a sign going NB on US-19 allowing trucks to get to PA-68 WB.  Otherwise, ban trucks from downtown there (unless they need to get to PA-288).

BYPASS also works as well.  But I know that require additonal signage, on the PennDOT's part and it has never been signed in that area any different, and I lived around that area for the majority of my life.  I know going down I-79 Southbound from Erie to Zelienople that the there is a US 19 Shield on the guide sign. 

I have also been on PA 288, which goes northwest to Ellwood City, there are plenty of trucks that take that Route, because the stop bar has been set far back so that a large Tractor Trailer can turn from US 19 South to PA 288.  I don't see them posting that, although the municipality can make a request to post the road for a Ton Limit. 
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 29, 2011, 06:30:34 PM
Rater than needing to upgrade the sothern Zelienople exit to accomodate a bypass US 19 they could utilize the northern half of the Evans City exit, which is far more accomodating for that use.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 29, 2011, 08:54:31 PM
Rater than needing to upgrade the sothern Zelienople exit to accomodate a bypass US 19 they could utilize the northern half of the Evans City exit, which is far more accomodating for that use.

That's what I was suggesting, but not in so many words. :sombrero:
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on February 01, 2012, 12:49:09 PM
They've been replacing some signs on the West End Bridge and approaches... replacing the "boxy" changable signs that have been there for years.
I noticed this sign yesterday while on a bike ride (I'll take as many upper-50's/60's days in Winter that Mother Nature wants to dish out!):

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-WEOTXizwreE/Tyl4m3nOvsI/AAAAAAAAAGg/t8sDZ1G4KgQ/s800/New_WEB_Signs.jpg)

This is the first time I'm aware of that PA-65 South is mentioned from the W.E. Bridge.  
Up until about 2 years ago, SB Ohio River Blvd had a BGS prior to going under the West End Bridge that said "END 65", and I can't recall any signs after it indicating SB 65 going all the way to the Ft. Duquesne Bridge.

EDIT:  I guess it should say "TO" North Truck 19.  Either that, or, with all the West End Circle work directly connecting the bridge to the PA-51 highway, PennDOT is planning on moving the "Truck" route to the West End Bridge... Which could be a good idea. With the height restrictions, and some cargo restrictions thru the Ft. Pitt Tunnels, a "Truck" route that can accommodate more trucks makes sense.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 02, 2012, 12:21:01 PM
EDIT:  I guess it should say "TO" North Truck 19.  Either that, or, with all the West End Circle work directly connecting the bridge to the PA-51 highway, PennDOT is planning on moving the "Truck" route to the West End Bridge... Which could be a good idea. With the height restrictions, and some cargo restrictions thru the Ft. Pitt Tunnels, a "Truck" route that can accommodate more trucks makes sense.

Weirdly enough, but it seems like they've always had no "TO" when referencing North Truck US-19 on the WEB (per StreetView).  I mean, if they do want to reroute it onto the WEB officially, they need to submit an application to the AASHTO as Truck US-19 is the only officially approved Truck Route that I know of.  Then you would have the crazy thing of US-19 and Truck US-19 sharing the same highway.  But you could eliminate that confusion by putting US-19 onto the Parkways to replace Truck US-19 on them.  The signage @ Exit #1B-C is already setup for that.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/rickmastfan67/Interstates/PA/I-279/P1050637s.jpg)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on March 14, 2012, 06:51:23 PM
Hopped off the bike to walk across (most of) the West End Bridge today (A cloudless day in the 'Burgh, which could end up being in the top 5 nicest of the year....)

They've replaced all the sings, including the changeable "box signs" (can't think of a better name) with regular signs with some list portions.

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Nv3XCfHNooU/T2Edi_HTf2I/AAAAAAAAAHo/unfViBuNfBQ/s640/mid_west_end_bridge-LN.jpg)

This is the sign bridge preceding the one I photoed a couple of weeks ago.  Still worded so it makes it seem like the southernmost mile of Ohio River Blvd is a wrong-way duplex of Truck North US-19 & South PA-65.



(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-VtfFFgUzuZw/T2EdizjzC4I/AAAAAAAAAHw/xWFAGMRfu20/s800/WEB_New_Signs1.jpg)

View of the new changeable lit signs, looking southbound.  The way the picture was taken makes the "Both Lanes" look like there may be issues with the sign, but to look at it (without the camera), it looks quite fine.



(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-_xjSv-JUJS4/T2EdizG4leI/AAAAAAAAAHk/E8V8l3mcLeA/s800/WEB_New_Signs2.jpg)

A closer up view of the signs in the previous pic.  Once again, the apparent defects in the lit signs only appear in the picture.  (they look fine without the camera).  And, as you can kind of tell in the previous pic, the "background' of the "Both Lanes" is actually a green that closely matches the regular sign.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 14, 2012, 07:02:03 PM
I think the green background issues you photographed have to do with the refresh rate of the digital display.  it's similar to taking a photo of an old CRT monitor - you might not get the entire image.  in this case, you do not get all the green.  it is imperceptible to the eye, but at the very short exposure lengths used in daytime photography, you can observe the issue.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: qguy on March 15, 2012, 04:10:17 PM
The way the picture was taken makes the "Both Lanes" look like there may be issues with the sign, but to look at it (without the camera), it looks quite fine.

Once again, the apparent defects in the lit signs only appear in the picture.  (they look fine without the camera).

The shorthand way of saying that is "artifact of the camera" if it's the result of the way the camera captured the image, or "artifact of the photograph" if it's the result of the way the image is processed, printed, or displayed.

As in "That weird thing going on there with the sign is merely artifact of the camera."  :biggrin:

So now that the West End project is all finished, how's it working out? Does traffic flow well?
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 12, 2012, 08:18:51 AM
There are now plans out to replace the "Hulton Bridge" between Harmar and Oakmont.

There is a rendering of what the new bridge will look like here (http://blogs.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/news/the-roundabout/34419-new-hulton-bridge-is-in-the-works).

The new bridge will be 4 lanes across unlike the current bridge which is only two lanes wide.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on June 12, 2012, 01:50:48 PM
Though I am always a fan of increased capacity, do the appraoches, either current or future ever warrant 4 lanes.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: NE2 on June 12, 2012, 01:58:03 PM
Though I am always a fan of increased capacity, do the appraoches, either current or future ever warrant 4 lanes.
Since bridges are natural bottlenecks, as long as you widen to the first major intersection the capacity won't be wasted.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on June 12, 2012, 02:06:35 PM
Yeah... either ends of the bridge can have a lane act as a turn lane.  In this case, especially the signal @ Freeport Rd.  Instead of one long single-lane line of traffic turning either left or right @ the end of the bridge, 2 shorter lines can do both at the same time.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on October 06, 2012, 01:50:46 PM
Plan for Palmer airport connector gets update (http://"http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/neighborhoods-east/plan-for-palmer-airport-connector-gets-update-656129/")

I'd be surprised to see any dirt turn for any of this in this decade.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on January 17, 2013, 09:04:09 AM
City of Pittsburgh to replace 82 year old Greenfield Bridge

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/neighborhoods-city/greenfield-bridge-being-built-anew-670689/

The demolition of the open-spandrel arched concrete bridge will lead to the Parkway East (I-376) being closed for one week in December 2015.   It's a much needed project just for motorist safety on the Parkway.

The closure of the bridge will also cause a large detour between the city's Oakland and Greenfield neighborhoods.  It's also a key back way access point for Mon Valley and South Hills commuters/students to Oakland.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on May 15, 2013, 04:34:47 PM
31st Street Bridge to get a new name (http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/4019289-74/bridge-bill-memorial#axzz2TIO2LV2l)

I'm curious to see if this will be a true "re-name", or a "co-name" - It will get signs put up with the new name, but also retain the 31st St. Bridge name. 
I guess when PennDOT puts up/uncovers signs as the interchange with PA-28 progresses we'll see what name is on the BGS's.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: PAHighways on May 19, 2013, 11:33:53 AM
It'll probably end up like the R. D. Fleming:  official name on signs but still referred to it with the street name by the public.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on July 17, 2013, 04:37:14 PM
A new project for Mr. Northside to keep track of.

Two miles of West Carson Street (PA 51) from the West End BRidge to McKees Rocks to be totally rebuilt.  A much needed - and often overlooked - rehab.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/news/transportation/outbound-west-carson-street-to-close-for-2-years-695633/
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on July 17, 2013, 09:20:44 PM
A new project for Mr. Northside to keep track of.

Two miles of West Carson Street (PA 51) from the West End BRidge to McKees Rocks to be totally rebuilt.  A much needed - and often overlooked - rehab.

Yeah... though probably almost exclusively from the vantage point from across the river, though that's probably one of the best for this project.
And, of course, this is gonna make a mess of things. 
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 20, 2013, 09:13:59 PM
Does anybody know what is happening @ the PA-228 interchange with I-79 (Exit #78)?  I just was on PA-228 today and it looks like they are reconfiguring the interchange and adding in a new NB on-ramp to I-79 for both directions to eliminate the loop one on the South side of the interchange.  And also new ramps to/from SB I-79 (maybe to make the current one a direct link to I-76/PA Turnpike?).

EDIT: Looks like I'm correct.
http://cranberry.patch.com/groups/politics-and-elections/p/penndot-rolling-out-route-228-ramps-project-in-cranberry
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 13, 2013, 11:11:02 PM
PennDOT just recently has posted a brand new Truck route for US-30 here in Robinson Twp near the Pittsburgh International Airport.  It starts @ I-376 Exit #60 and heads West towards the airport.  I unfortunately didn't get to travel all of it as I had to get off @ Exit #59 today and didn't have any free time to investigate it any more than what I very quickly saw between Exits #60 & #59.

I'm going to assume the route for this truck route will lead US-30 Truck traffic to the PA Turnpike 576 interchange and back to US-30 that way.  If anybody else is in that area before I can go back out there and can investigate the full route, let me know.  I want to put this into OSM when I get the chance and let Tim know the full route so he can add it to the CHM site.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: NE2 on October 13, 2013, 11:23:02 PM
Probably Clinton Road, due to this project: http://www.dot.state.pa.us/penndot/districts/district11.nsf/7aff82f1f0b02eb9852576110057af69/153934141da8602385257a70005834ba?OpenDocument
https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=40.489194,-80.295135&spn=0.006617,0.014173&gl=us&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=40.489217,-80.295321&panoid=LrrATRhPLyVayF1OW5e6DQ&cbp=12,48.74,,0,10.98
If you move forward into the intersection you see the old configuration.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on October 14, 2013, 06:42:00 PM
PennDOT just recently has posted a brand new Truck route for US-30 here in Robinson Twp near the Pittsburgh International Airport. 

I also noticed there is a Truck PA-519 signed at I-79, pointing towards the Bridgeville exit heading north.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 14, 2013, 09:52:06 PM
I wonder if any of these new "Truck" routes have to do with the recent PennDOT announcement about weight limits on some bridges. :hmmm:
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on October 15, 2013, 06:45:03 PM
I wonder if any of these new "Truck" routes have to do with the recent PennDOT announcement about weigh limits on some bridges. :hmmm:

That was certainly my guess.
I think I saw a "Truck 51" on the inbound Blvd of the Allies (around Duquesne University) today.  (Unless my memory is playing tricks on me).

I haven't seen any article or statement saying these have popped up due to new bridge weight limit restrictions... but I'd bet all my Monopoly money on that being the case.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: dave19 on October 18, 2013, 05:58:09 PM
  I'd bet on that too... I was driving north on I-99 Friday night from Bedford and saw "Truck 867" signs north of exit 7 - I thought that was weird, why would trucks be on a back road like PA 867 anyway, maybe truckers on their way to the paper mill in Roaring Spring were being directed onto it by their GPSs... That is not a good way for large trucks to go, for a couple of reasons.
  Saturday, I was in Huntingdon and noticed Truck 26 signs. To the west, there is a Truck 22 route, thanks to a bridge in Canoe Creek - most of those signs were covered up for some reason. After I got home on Sunday, I did some researching and found that there are bridge restrictions on all three of those routes.
  There is a Truck 56 route posted in Indiana County because of a little bridge southeast of Brush Valley. There was a story about that one in the Indiana paper not too long ago.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: PAHighways on October 28, 2013, 04:09:11 PM
These new truck routes are due to direct those vehicles around structurally deficient bridges.  The only new AASHTO approved routes for Pennsylvania are the extension of Business US 209 in Monroe County and the creation of an Alternate US 219 in Cambria and Clearfield counties.

Also, the assemblies are installed [TRUCK] then [cardinal direction], rather than the other way around as the standard on auxiliary routes.  I've seen trailblazer assemblies like that on side roads pointing trucks to the best and/or shortest route to the main highway.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: NE2 on October 28, 2013, 05:05:02 PM
AASHTO claims to not deal with truck routes:
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A new US 95 Truck Route [sic] is proposed to be established in San Luis, Arizona, extending from an intersection with US 95 south and east along existing streets 0.5 mile to the Port of Entry at the international boundary. AASHTO's policy does not include U.S. truck routes. See AASHTO Policy Statements: Purpose & Policy Statement HO1 and Purpose & Policy Statement HO2 (Retention of HO1).
http://route.transportation.org/Documents/SCOH%20Report%2011-16-2012.pdf
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: dave19 on October 28, 2013, 08:05:53 PM
Jeff, speaking of ALT 219, do you know if any of the improvements to SR 4013 in Cambria County or the 90 degree turn on PA 36 in Newburg (LaJose) are underway yet?
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: PAHighways on November 02, 2013, 04:13:59 PM
I haven't seen any press releases from District 9 about any projects along those routes.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 02, 2013, 08:08:27 PM
These new truck routes are due to direct those vehicles around structurally deficient bridges.  The only new AASHTO approved routes for Pennsylvania are the extension of Business US 209 in Monroe County and the creation of an Alternate US 219 in Cambria and Clearfield counties.

Also, the assemblies are installed [TRUCK] then [cardinal direction], rather than the other way around as the standard on auxiliary routes.  I've seen trailblazer assemblies like that on side roads pointing trucks to the best and/or shortest route to the main highway.

Do you know of a list with all of the new truck routes that were added and where they start/finish?  This is mainly for CHM.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on January 10, 2014, 10:40:52 AM
http://pgdigs.tumblr.com/post/72841555150/november-1961-the-trouble-with-those-tunnels

Great stories on the famous tunnel slowdowns in Pittsburgh and some the attempted solutions in the mid50s early 60s. 
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: pghgal_90 on January 19, 2014, 01:24:57 AM
http://pgdigs.tumblr.com/post/72841555150/november-1961-the-trouble-with-those-tunnels

Great stories on the famous tunnel slowdowns in Pittsburgh and some the attempted solutions in the mid50s early 60s.

Ha, this is great! I'm so glad I live in the South Hills and don't usually have to travel east. The "tunnel monster" never seems to affect the Liberty Tubes as badly as poor Squirrel Hill.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: PAHighways on January 27, 2014, 05:20:38 PM
PennDOT Seeks Public Input on Parkway East (I-376) Corridor Transportation Network Project through Survey (http://www.dot.state.pa.us/penndot/districts/district11.nsf/37fc68a0aa7b94e9852570a70047899c/5870a829a1c829b185257c6d0073c2d3?OpenDocument)

The URL for the survey site is http://www.i376parkwayeast.com (http://www.i376parkwayeast.com/).
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on January 27, 2014, 06:12:20 PM
With current technology, I would like to see the PWE be 3 lanes each way, wide median with a parkway feel.  The first parkway contract provided for decorative stone bridges and they were built at Old Greensburgh Pike, since removed during the 1980's expansion and that look should be restored but within I standards.  I don't really think with the available ROW that anything can be done with the tunnels but I think a 3 lane HOT facility starting at BUS 22 along the PWE then on the ROW of the East Busway, but as a separate from the buses zipper laned carrigeway with 2 lanes going peak and both dumping at 11th and Liberty/Grant and a tie in to the reversible lanes of 579 would do the trick,
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: pghgal_90 on February 03, 2014, 08:45:15 PM
Unrelated, but: has anybody noticed shields/signs missing lately? My guess it was the wind and the cold weather last week blowing some off, but on my way home from the North Hills a week or so ago, the I-279 shield had been blown right off! It just had the "South" bracket on top.

I also drive PA 88 every day and noticed the "JCT 88" sign missing its keystone. That has since been fixed ;)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 03, 2014, 11:57:41 PM
Unrelated, but: has anybody noticed shields/signs missing lately? My guess it was the wind and the cold weather last week blowing some off, but on my way home from the North Hills a week or so ago, the I-279 shield had been blown right off! It just had the "South" bracket on top.

Where was this?
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: JawnwoodS96 on February 04, 2014, 01:18:55 AM
Unrelated, but: has anybody noticed shields/signs missing lately? My guess it was the wind and the cold weather last week blowing some off, but on my way home from the North Hills a week or so ago, the I-279 shield had been blown right off! It just had the "South" bracket on top.
The 79/279 merger is also missing a sign (The 'Exit 72' sign is missing). It seems to happen a lot around this time of year. I remember two years ago where the sign for the Perrysville exit on 279 was missing. They usually seem to replace the signs in the spring.

Also, on the topic of the parkway, here's how I think it should go down: four lanes in each direction from Bus-22 to Robinson, with reversible HOV/HOT lanes in the median. Though the queries here are of course the tunnels, of which there would need to be extensive construction, occupation relocation and astronomical budgeting.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Gnutella on February 04, 2014, 01:03:49 PM
Unrelated, but: has anybody noticed shields/signs missing lately? My guess it was the wind and the cold weather last week blowing some off, but on my way home from the North Hills a week or so ago, the I-279 shield had been blown right off! It just had the "South" bracket on top.
The 79/279 merger is also missing a sign (The 'Exit 72' sign is missing). It seems to happen a lot around this time of year. I remember two years ago where the sign for the Perrysville exit on 279 was missing. They usually seem to replace the signs in the spring.

Also, on the topic of the parkway, here's how I think it should go down: four lanes in each direction from Bus-22 to Robinson, with reversible HOV/HOT lanes in the median. Though the queries here are of course the tunnels, of which there would need to be extensive construction, occupation relocation and astronomical budgeting.

Eight lanes from Robinson to Monroeville is overkill. I say six lanes from Pittsburgh International Airport to I-79, eight lanes from I-79 to PA 51, six lanes through the Fort Pitt Tunnel, five lanes (three westbound, two eastbound) past downtown Pittsburgh, and six lanes from Grant Street to the Pennsylvania Turnpike, including the Squirrel Hill Tunnel. Add one climbing lane where necessary. Expand the interior shoulders to 12' across to conform with AASHTO standards.

As for the interchanges, I'd like to see geometric improvement at the following interchanges: Montour Run, Robinson Town Centre Boulevard, Campbell's Run Road, Rosslyn Farms, Carnegie/Heidelberg, Second Avenue and William Penn Highway. I'd like to see the following interchanges overhauled: U.S. 22/U.S. 30/PA 60 (stack), Green Tree/Mt. Lebanon (SPUI), U.S. 19 Truck/PA 51 (modified directional T), Oakland/Hazelwood (modified SPUI), Squirrel Hill/Homestead (I don't know what, just make it better), Edgewood/Swissvale (SPUI), Wilkinsburg/Forest Hills (SPUI), Churchill (SPUI, no left-lane ramps) Monroeville/Plum (SPUI), Pennsylvania Turnpike/U.S. 22 (stack). I'd like to see the Parkway Center Drive and Greensburg Pike interchanges eliminated, and longer acceleration and deceleration lanes at the Penn Hills interchange.

As for the signage, I'd update some of them to read as follows...


Exit 60 - U.S. 22 West/U.S. 30 West/PA 60 East - Robinson - Weirton WV

Exit 65 - PA 50 - Carnegie - Crafton

Exit 67 - PA 121 - Green Tree - Mt Lebanon (both directions, not just eastbound)

Exit 69A - U.S. 19 South - Banksville Road - Dormont

Exit 69B - U.S. 19 Truck/PA 51 - Saw Mill Run Blvd - West End - Beechview

Exit 70A - Blvd of the Allies - Liberty Avenue

Exit 70B - Fort Duquesne Blvd

Exit 70C - I-279 North - Franklin Park

Exit 73 - PA 885 - Bates St - Oakland - Hazelwood

Exit 74 - Beechwood Blvd - Squirrel Hill - Greenfield

Exit 77 - Braddock Ave - Regent Square

Exit 85A - U.S. 22 East - Murrysville

Exit 85B - I-76/PA Turnpike - Youngstown/Harrisburg


I'd also include the following auxiliary signs...


First Niagara Pavilion - Exit 60

TO I-70 West - Wheeling WV - Columbus - USE I-79 South - Exit 64A (westbound only)

Pennsbury Village - Exit 64B

TO PA 837 South - Carson Street - South Side - USE U.S. 19 Truck North/PA 51 North - Exit 69B (eastbound only)

ALT ROUTE - TO PA 65 North - USE U.S. 19 Truck North/PA 51 North - Exit 69B (eastbound only)

Heinz Field - Rivers CasinoExit 69B (eastbound only)

Station Square - Duquesne Univ - Exit 70A (eastbound only)

David L Lawrence Convention Ctr - Strip District - Exit 70B (eastbound only)

PNC Park - Andy Warhol Museum - National Aviary - USE I-279 North - Exit 70C

Consol Energy Center - Exit 71A (eastbound only)

Station Square - Exit 71A (westbound only)

Univ of Pittsburgh - Carnegie Mellon Univ - Exit 72A (eastbound only)

Duquesne Univ - Consol Energy Center - Exit 72B (westbound only)

South Side - USE PA 885 South - Exit 73 (westbound only)

Homestead - Munhall - Exit 74

Sandcastle Waterpark - Exit 74

Schenley Park - Exit 74 (brown sign)

Edgewood - Swissvale - Exit 77

Kennywood Park - Pittsburgh Zoo and PPG Aquarium - Exit 77

Frick Park - Exit 77 (brown sign)

E Pittsburgh - N Versailles - Exit 78

Turtle Creek - Exit 80A

Boyce Park - Exit 84 (brown sign)

TO I-70 East - Baltimore - Washington DC - USE I-76/PA Turnpike East - Exit 85B
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: JawnwoodS96 on February 04, 2014, 08:27:56 PM
Eight lanes from Robinson to Monroeville is overkill. I say six lanes from Pittsburgh International Airport to I-79, eight lanes from I-79 to PA 51, six lanes through the Fort Pitt Tunnel, five lanes (three westbound, two eastbound) past downtown Pittsburgh, and six lanes from Grant Street to the Pennsylvania Turnpike, including the Squirrel Hill Tunnel. Add one climbing lane where necessary. Expand the interior shoulders to 12' across to conform with AASHTO standards.

As for the interchanges, I'd like to see geometric improvement at the following interchanges: Montour Run, Robinson Town Centre Boulevard, Campbell's Run Road, Rosslyn Farms, Carnegie/Heidelberg, Second Avenue and William Penn Highway. I'd like to see the following interchanges overhauled: U.S. 22/U.S. 30/PA 60 (stack), Green Tree/Mt. Lebanon (SPUI), U.S. 19 Truck/PA 51 (modified directional T), Oakland/Hazelwood (modified SPUI), Squirrel Hill/Homestead (I don't know what, just make it better), Edgewood/Swissvale (SPUI), Wilkinsburg/Forest Hills (SPUI), Churchill (SPUI, no left-lane ramps) Monroeville/Plum (SPUI), Pennsylvania Turnpike/U.S. 22 (stack). I'd like to see the Parkway Center Drive and Greensburg Pike interchanges eliminated, and longer acceleration and deceleration lanes at the Penn Hills interchange.
Maybe eight lanes to Robinson was a bit much, but I still think that eight lanes from at least Second Ave. to Bus-22 is a formidable option, I just can't see six lanes sufficing. Six lanes from the airport to 79 sounds good, though.

I like your interchange options as well. For the Squirrel Hill exit, I have in mind something like a modified directional-T. For the most part though, I really don't care as long as it gets an overhaul; that exit is a disgrace.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Gnutella on February 05, 2014, 03:43:57 PM
Eight lanes from Second Avenue east would be very difficult in the vicinity of Bates Street. The right of way can't be expanded on the eastbound side of the Parkway East because Second Avenue and the Great Allegheny Passage both pass right next to the highway. Expansion would have to be on the westbound side, which would require excavation of the cliffs not only for the right of way, but also for a buffer zone so potential rock slides would be less likely to impact the highway.

On top of that, the alignment of the highway would have to be shifted away from Second Avenue at the Bates Street interchange in order to make room for an eastbound off-ramp. A cross section of an eight-lane highway with a 2'-wide median barrier, 12'-wide interior and exterior shoulders and an acceleration/deceleration lane on each side would be 170', and that doesn't count the buffer zone for falling rocks. In other words, you're looking at over 200' of space necessary in the vicinity of Bates Street, which would require the demolition of several dozen buildings on top of the cliffs.

Speaking of building demolition, it appears that any widening or interchange reconfiguration would wipe out a few dozen homes in the vicinity of both the Edgewood/Swissvale and Wilkinsburg/Forest Hills interchanges. The good news is, reconfiguring those two interchanges as SPUIs would allow them to greatly reduce their footprints. It also appears that the Boulevard of the Allies/Forbes Avenue partial interchanges might need to be reconfigured in order to make the eastbound on-ramp enter on the right side instead of the left. Basically, redoing the Parkway East is probably going to take a long time.

The Parkway West appears to be much easier. One thing I just noticed looking at satellite imagery: The Ridge Road overpass over the Parkway West is 170' wide underneath, which is enough room for 10 lanes, plus 12'-wide interior and exterior shoulders. My guess is, PennDOT plans to eventually widen the Parkway West to eight lanes, and they also have big plans for the U.S. 22/U.S. 30/PA 60 interchange, which would necessitate very long ramps. I bet that the Parkway West will be 10 lanes wide there, with four of the 10 lanes going to or coming from U.S. 22/U.S. 30. That means the segment from U.S. 22/U.S. 30 to the airport will be six lanes.

Three challenges with the Parkway West:


1. The Fort Pitt Tunnel has to be expanded. Expanding each tube to four lanes will fit the Fort Pitt Bridge perfectly, but the Carson Street interchange would need to be eliminated. Expanding each tube to three lanes would leave the interchange open, but one lane would need to be dropped from each ramp. The latter seems more reasonable since it keeps the interchange, but not enough traffic uses either ramp to justify them having two lanes.

2. There are two railroad bridges over the Parkway West, one near the Carnegie interchange and one near the Fort Pitt Tunnel. Both are owned by the Wheeling & Lake Erie Railroad, and both will have to be rebuilt in order to fit an eight-lane highway under them. PennDOT will have to negotiate with W&LE just like they had to with Norfolk Southern before the expansion of PA 28.

3. Between the Carnegie and Green Tree/Mt. Lebanon interchanges is a tight squeeze. On the eastbound side is a residential neighborhood, and on the westbound side is a frontage road that serves several industrial buildings adjacent to the Rook Yard. A couple of back yards are likely to get whacked there.


All in all, preparing the Parkway West for expansion would require a lot less preparation than widening the Parkway East. Here's hoping some progress is made before the end of the decade; Pittsburgh deserves better highways. (At least the Parkway North is nice.)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on February 05, 2014, 04:19:31 PM
How is the construction of the US 219 freeway near Somerset progressing?  Do they have a project website?  I recently viewed google and noted that at least the trees were cut.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Gnutella on February 05, 2014, 04:59:29 PM
How is the construction of the US 219 freeway near Somerset progressing?  Do they have a project website?  I recently viewed google and noted that at least the trees were cut.

I looked for a website and couldn't find it.

I'm excited to drive that segment of U.S. 219 someday, since I've been meaning to reminisce at Deer Valley next time I'm in Pennsylvania. I remember that we had to go from Somerset to Meyersdale and up over Mount Davis to get there, and a limited-access highway ought to take at least 20 minutes off the drive.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: BrianP on February 05, 2014, 05:36:02 PM
The website seems to have not been renewed.
Here's the archive:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010413222854/http://www.us219.com/

Here's the project listing from the district 9 website:
http://www.dot.state.pa.us/penndot/districts/district9.nsf/691755df9fd43c3e852572d50052ac24/c209eb4ee1280d2885257bf3004de1d8?OpenDocument

The end date is 2018. :(  But at least it's getting built.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on February 05, 2014, 05:50:35 PM
My guess is, PennDOT plans to eventually widen the Parkway West to eight lanes, and they also have big plans for the U.S. 22/U.S. 30/PA 60 interchange, which would necessitate very long ramps. I bet that the Parkway West will be 10 lanes wide there, with four of the 10 lanes going to or coming from U.S. 22/U.S. 30.

I'd substitute "plans" to "wishes" - as in, "If Santa Claus were real...."
They wrapped up a reasonably-sized project at the US-22/30 / PA-60 interchange a few years ago to reconfigure ramps to reduce all the weaving, so I doubt that junction will be significantly touched again for decades.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Parkway West gets widened to 6 lanes from that interchange to I-79 (they already have the mile or so from I-79 to Campbells Run Rd 6 lanes), but I'd be surprised if it got more than that  (unless there was a 4th lane in each direction that's an add/drop between exits).

Other than interchange improvements (that might not be that sweeping), I wouldn't hold out much hope for anything east of I-79.

As for the Parkway East, in the link PA Highways posted above ( http://www.i376parkwayeast.com ), PennDOT admits that any real widening isn't in the cards for the road.

Even if the money were there (and it isn't), I doubt there would be the political will to (literally) carve out the right-of-way necessary.
Though anything is possible, in the decades to come - there could be such overwhelming support (and an acceptance of the people to "pay up" for such work) - that I could be wrong.  But for the foreseeable future I mostly see a lot of talk.


Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Gnutella on February 05, 2014, 06:35:09 PM
By the way, here's proof that PennDOT has big plans for the Parkway West. Check out the width of the right of way under the Ridge Road overpass:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/DBR96/Pittsburgh%20PA/Eight-lanerightofway_zps0fb3c911.png)

Notice how there's a little bit of grass near the eastbound exterior shoulder, and a whole lot of grass near the westbound exterior shoulder. That's no accident. PennDOT has left room under the overpass for eight travel lanes, an acceleration lane, a deceleration lane, two interior and exterior shoulders, and a median barrier. Per AASHTO requirements, all travel lanes and exterior shoulders on Interstates have to be 12' wide, and the interior shoulders also have to be 12' wide on Interstates with six or more lanes. Median barriers have to be at least 2' thick and reinforced. This gives us the following equation for eight lanes, one acceleration lane, one deceleration lane, two interior and exterior shoulders, and a median barrier:

12' + 12' + 12' + 12' + 12' + 12' + 12' + 2' + 12' + 12' + 12' + 12' + 12' +12' +12' = 170'

Envision the shoulders as BLUE and the median barrier as RED in the equation above in order to see the cross-section of the planned highway. Now here's a distance measure from one overpass pier to the other:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/DBR96/Pittsburgh%20PA/170-footrightofway_zps411ab251.png)

As you can see, the distance measured is the exact amount of room needed for the setup that I described.

About half a mile west of the Ridge Road interchange is the U.S. 22/U.S. 30/PA 60 interchange. U.S. 22/U.S. 30 is a limited-access highway itself, but movement between it and the Parkway West involves an obsolete partial-cloverleaf interchange that does not meet AASHTO requirements for movement between two limited-access highways. More than likely, PennDOT will rebuild this as a stack interchange in the future, with acceleration and deceleration lanes extending for half a mile to the east, and under the Ridge Road overpass.

The only obstacles in the way of PennDOT widening the Parkway West right now are the following:


1. The design of the existing overpasses at the U.S. 22/U.S. 30/PA 60 and Green Tree/Mt. Lebanon interchanges are identical, with piers constricting the right of way underneath them. These overpasses were more than likely built in the 1960's, which means that they're at or near the end of their engineered lifespans.

2. The Wheeling & Lake Erie (W&LE) Railroad has two bridges that span the Parkway West with piers constricting the right of way underneath them. The bridge near the Carnegie interchange is about 1,000' long, and the bridge near the Fort Pitt Tunnel is about 500' long. Both would need to be rebuilt in order to create extra space.

3. The Fort Pitt Tunnel can only fit four lanes, and it needs to fit at least six lanes in order not to create a dangerous bottleneck if the rest of the Parkway West is widened to eight lanes.


If work is done on any of these things, especially the overpasses since they're the easiest to fix, then consider it another step toward widening the Parkway West.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Gnutella on February 05, 2014, 06:58:12 PM
They wrapped up a reasonably-sized project at the US-22/30 / PA-60 interchange a few years ago to reconfigure ramps to reduce all the weaving, so I doubt that junction will be significantly touched again for decades.

That interchange work was funded by federal stimulus money back in 2009, so for all we know, it could have just been "busy work." I wouldn't be surprised if PennDOT comes out with bigger plans near the end of the decade. By that time it would have been a decade since the previous interchange work, which means that a full reconfiguration of the interchange would probably be about 15 years after the previous work. It doesn't sound like a long time, but it really is, especially given the age of the current overpass.


I wouldn't be surprised if the Parkway West gets widened to 6 lanes from that interchange to I-79 (they already have the mile or so from I-79 to Campbells Run Rd 6 lanes), but I'd be surprised if it got more than that  (unless there was a 4th lane in each direction that's an add/drop between exits).

Maybe six lanes plus a collector/distributor lane on each side will work.


Other than interchange improvements (that might not be that sweeping), I wouldn't hold out much hope for anything east of I-79.

What has to happen first is that the interchanges get reconfigured and the two railroad bridges rebuilt.


As for the Parkway East, in the link PA Highways posted above ( http://www.i376parkwayeast.com ), PennDOT admits that any real widening isn't in the cards for the road.

I'm not that worried about the Parkway East right now. I think the Parkway West is much more important.


Even if the money were there (and it isn't), I doubt there would be the political will to (literally) carve out the right-of-way necessary.

Pennsylvania just passed a comprehensive transportation funding bill, so the money might be available sooner than you think. Besides, I favor an incremental approach. Do one thing, then do another, then do another. For example, reconfigure the interchanges first, then replace the railroad bridges, then enlarge the Fort Pitt Tunnel, and then widen the highway. This could all be done over a matter of 15 to 20 years. And there's no reasonable objection to upgrading an existing highway, because upgrading existing infrastructure is what needs to be done all across the United States.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on February 05, 2014, 08:51:51 PM
I could envision 2-4 HOT lanes on an entirely different alignment between the top of Greentree Hill and the old J&L curve, you could keep HOT lanes entirely on the South Side between those 2 points build a tunnel higher up and to the south of the existing Ft. Pitt Tunnels that slopes down to come out above Carson Street north of Station Square with some form of downtown connector bridge using the old Wabash Bridge location
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: pghgal_90 on February 05, 2014, 09:59:25 PM
Unrelated, but: has anybody noticed shields/signs missing lately? My guess it was the wind and the cold weather last week blowing some off, but on my way home from the North Hills a week or so ago, the I-279 shield had been blown right off! It just had the "South" bracket on top.

Where was this?

Late reply, but - it was right as you get on the Veteran's Bridge heading southbound (pretty much the first "South I-279" shield you see when you're actually on the bridge).
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 05, 2014, 10:15:07 PM
Unrelated, but: has anybody noticed shields/signs missing lately? My guess it was the wind and the cold weather last week blowing some off, but on my way home from the North Hills a week or so ago, the I-279 shield had been blown right off! It just had the "South" bracket on top.

Where was this?

Late reply, but - it was right as you get on the Veteran's Bridge heading southbound (pretty much the first "South I-279" shield you see when you're actually on the bridge).

When you mention the Veteran's Bridge, don't you mean the first SB I-579 shield?

That shield disappeared sometime between June '11 and May '12.
Shield still there - http://goo.gl/maps/2Vy9Q
Shield gone - http://goo.gl/maps/WmjlE

It's a shame too, as I-579 was the only Interstate that still had exclusively "Pennsylvania" named I shields on it.  Now they are all neutered along I-579.  I know of only one I-579 state name shield left, and that is at the HOV lane intersection with Mario Lemieux Place. http://goo.gl/maps/sr2Um
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: JawnwoodS96 on February 06, 2014, 12:48:51 PM
I could envision 2-4 HOT lanes on an entirely different alignment between the top of Greentree Hill and the old J&L curve, you could keep HOT lanes entirely on the South Side between those 2 points build a tunnel higher up and to the south of the existing Ft. Pitt Tunnels that slopes down to come out above Carson Street north of Station Square with some form of downtown connector bridge using the old Wabash Bridge location
Building a new tunnel would not be needed because there is still the Wabash Tunnel, which really hasn't been utilized all too well. Though I could see something like a southern bus route working (Similarly to the eastern and western bus routes).
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 06, 2014, 09:53:51 PM
I could envision 2-4 HOT lanes on an entirely different alignment between the top of Greentree Hill and the old J&L curve, you could keep HOT lanes entirely on the South Side between those 2 points build a tunnel higher up and to the south of the existing Ft. Pitt Tunnels that slopes down to come out above Carson Street north of Station Square with some form of downtown connector bridge using the old Wabash Bridge location
Building a new tunnel would not be needed because there is still the Wabash Tunnel, which really hasn't been utilized all too well. Though I could see something like a southern bus route working (Similarly to the eastern and western bus routes).

However, the Wabash Tunnel is really only wide enough for 1 lane of traffic.  Sure, it's painted for 2 lanes (1 each way), but 2 cars side-by-side would be a very, very tight squeeze.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on February 06, 2014, 10:47:10 PM
Also, I do believe the Wabash tunnel is a Port Authority facility, not PennDOT.

Not to say PennDOT couldn't buy it, but they would also probably have to pay the feds back the $$ it gave with the intent of that tunnel being an HOV/transit piece of infrastructure.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: JoeP on February 16, 2014, 01:03:28 PM
Adding a lane east of I79 through Greentree along with improved interchanges and ramps would do wonders.

I don't see much happening to the tunnels. However, if something could be done, make it wider, not necessarily wide enough for another lane, but almost so that it's so wide that people don't reflexively slow down...
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Gnutella on February 17, 2014, 04:58:32 AM
Adding a lane east of I79 through Greentree along with improved interchanges and ramps would do wonders.

I don't see much happening to the tunnels. However, if something could be done, make it wider, not necessarily wide enough for another lane, but almost so that it's so wide that people don't reflexively slow down...

At the very least, I'd like to see the Parkway West six-laned with proper shoulders between Pittsburgh International Airport and PA 51, and all the interchanges improved. At PA 51, they could reconfigure the interchange into a modified directional T with a lane added westbound and dropped eastbound to account for only four lanes through the Fort Pitt Tunnel.

I also hope that if they do it this way, they'll design everything between I-79 and PA 51 to make a future eight-laning easy if they ever get around to six-laning the Fort Pitt Tunnel.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: pghgal_90 on February 20, 2014, 06:56:47 PM
Did anybody happen to drive 51 North today? Shame on Penndot. They put up the WRONG SIGN for US 19; it was a PA keystone 19 today, right next to the 51 keystone...
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on February 20, 2014, 08:05:41 PM
Also, I do believe the Wabash tunnel is a Port Authority facility, not PennDOT.

Not to say PennDOT couldn't buy it, but they would also probably have to pay the feds back the $$ it gave with the intent of that tunnel being an HOV/transit piece of infrastructure.


It is a Port Authority facility.  The key to making that facility viable would have been the scuttled bridge over the Mon.  What I find most fascinating are the Wabash proposals prior to SkyBus.  I did a small write up on the Wabash Tunnel about ten years ago here:
http://www.gribblenation.com/swparoads/coulda/wabash.html

I would highly recommend the new folks to the forum (and the older forum folks like James Mast) to spend some time at the Heinz History Center or the Carnegie Library in Oakland.  There are some great vertical files on some of the prior highway projects in Pittsburgh.  Jeff Kitsko and I did a lot of research trips there when I would come up from NC over Thanksgiving and Christmas 10-15 years ago.  The Pleasant Hills Library was also a good source. I'm also sure that some of the other Carnegie or older municipal libraries in the area are good research spots - we just never got there.  I know Bruce did a lot of research at those place for pghbridges as well.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 20, 2014, 10:36:22 PM
Also, I do believe the Wabash tunnel is a Port Authority facility, not PennDOT.

Not to say PennDOT couldn't buy it, but they would also probably have to pay the feds back the $$ it gave with the intent of that tunnel being an HOV/transit piece of infrastructure.


It is a Port Authority facility.  The key to making that facility viable would have been the scuttled bridge over the Mon.  What I find most fascinating are the Wabash proposals prior to SkyBus.  I did a small write up on the Wabash Tunnel about ten years ago here:
http://www.gribblenation.com/swparoads/coulda/wabash.html

I would highly recommend the new folks to the forum (and the older forum folks like James Mast) to spend some time at the Heinz History Center or the Carnegie Library in Oakland.  There are some great vertical files on some of the prior highway projects in Pittsburgh.  Jeff Kitsko and I did a lot of research trips there when I would come up from NC over Thanksgiving and Christmas 10-15 years ago.  The Pleasant Hills Library was also a good source. I'm also sure that some of the other Carnegie or older municipal libraries in the area are good research spots - we just never got there.  I know Bruce did a lot of research at those place for pghbridges as well.

The Heinz History Center is too commercial now.  And this is coming from my dad, who was the leader of the Pittsburgh Historical Society before Heinz got their hands into it and moved it out of Oakland.  They wouldn't even give my dad a free pass to the new place, even with him being the former leader of it, to even see his brick in the place.  He thinks that they have hidden it under one of the trollies there.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on February 21, 2014, 07:08:07 PM
Did anybody happen to drive 51 North today? Shame on Penndot. They put up the WRONG SIGN for US 19; it was a PA keystone 19 today, right next to the 51 keystone...

There's been that 19-in-a-keystone sign near Crane Ave. for quite some time now.  Not sure if it was PennDOT or a contractor, but they're certainly not in a hurry to swap it out with a US shield.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on February 21, 2014, 07:18:28 PM
Has construction started on the 22-79 section of the S. Beltway yet?  If so, is there a website?  I am aware of the PTC website for the project, but it has not been updated in quite some time.

Also, has any excavation started on the US 219 Somerset project.  GSV appears to show the tree clearing nearly complete.  Website for that?

Thanks.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on February 22, 2014, 11:03:49 AM
Speaking of the Ft. Pitt Tunnels/bridge - some great photos of the bridge & tunnels under construction and from the 1960s.  Totally forgot that the travel lanes were once brick.

http://pgdigs.tumblr.com/post/77369719818/the-day-before-fort-pitt-tunnel-opened-in-august
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: pghgal_90 on February 22, 2014, 12:25:50 PM
Did anybody happen to drive 51 North today? Shame on Penndot. They put up the WRONG SIGN for US 19; it was a PA keystone 19 today, right next to the 51 keystone...

There's been that 19-in-a-keystone sign near Crane Ave. for quite some time now.  Not sure if it was PennDOT or a contractor, but they're certainly not in a hurry to swap it out with a US shield.

I only take that way to work every once in a blue moon (or if Liberty Tunnels traffic backs up) and I had never seen it before then. I thought it might have been a simple mistake, swapping it out for a real PA 19 shield, but then I learned there is no PA 19.  :pan:
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Alps on February 23, 2014, 01:48:06 AM
(http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/pa/us_19/snorth.jpg)
(http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/pa/pa_51/s19t.jpg)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 23, 2014, 05:50:53 AM
(http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/pa/us_19/snorth.jpg)

This one has been around for 10+ years.  And the funny thing about it is that there is a proper US-19 shield on the pole that this overhead is attached to!
http://goo.gl/maps/dwmTP
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: pghgal_90 on February 23, 2014, 04:21:46 PM
(http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/pa/us_19/snorth.jpg)

This one has been around for 10+ years.  And the funny thing about it is that there is a proper US-19 shield on the pole that this overhead is attached to!
http://goo.gl/maps/dwmTP

Wow.
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18kph7uzl5q22gif/ku-medium.gif)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: JawnwoodS96 on February 24, 2014, 07:47:28 AM
Has construction started on the 22-79 section of the S. Beltway yet?  If so, is there a website?  I am aware of the PTC website for the project, but it has not been updated in quite some time.

Also, has any excavation started on the US 219 Somerset project.  GSV appears to show the tree clearing nearly complete.  Website for that?

Thanks.
Work on PA-576 won't begin until spring, when a bridge will be built to carry the mainline over US-22. The rest of the highway will begin construction in 2016.

Not sure about US-219, there doesn't seem to be a website or article any where about that project.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on May 15, 2014, 04:36:12 PM
PennDOT to remove ceiling from Fort Pitt Tunnels later this year (http://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2014/05/15/PennDOT-to-remove-ceiling-from-Fort-Pitt-Tunnels-later-this-year/stories/201405150433)

I'm glad that they're just gonna take care of the issue now, instead of spending money to fix the ceiling they intended on getting rid of eventually.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Gnutella on May 16, 2014, 01:31:09 AM
PennDOT to remove ceiling from Fort Pitt Tunnels later this year (http://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2014/05/15/PennDOT-to-remove-ceiling-from-Fort-Pitt-Tunnels-later-this-year/stories/201405150433)

I'm glad that they're just gonna take care of the issue now, instead of spending money to fix the ceiling they intended on getting rid of eventually.


Hopefully the "renovation" they allude to 10 years from now involves expansion of the tubes to handle three lanes each.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on May 16, 2014, 02:28:56 PM
Hopefully the "renovation" they allude to 10 years from now involves expansion of the tubes to handle three lanes each.

While it would be nice, I can't think of a safer bet on this planet than that that won't happen. 
Actually, if they're gonna do all of this ceiling business now, I'd like to think they could take care of enough other stuff that they won't need to do very much 10 years from now. 
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 25, 2014, 12:24:36 PM
Hope nobody needs to use PA-228 today around I-79 & US-19 in Cranberry.  It's completely closed till at least the evening rush hour because of several downed power poles from last nights heavy storms in the area.  The I-79 ramps (Exit #78) will be closed till sometime Thursday.

^ Pictures of the damage
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on June 25, 2014, 03:16:53 PM
Many of those poles are relatively new, too....
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 25, 2014, 10:20:10 PM
Many of those poles are relatively new, too....

Yep.  And now they are reporting that it's all going to be closed still till at least mid-day tomorrow (Thursday).
http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/storms-could-cause-isolated-flooding-pittsburgh-ar/ngRJk/

And here's another picture of the damage up there:
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ctrabs74 on June 29, 2014, 07:05:49 PM
As long as we're talking road re-routings, I think it's time to re-route PA 88 off it's current alignment between Elco and West Brownsville/Centerville onto the toll-free section of 43 from Exit 34 to Exit 28, where 88 splits off towards Greene County.  I had heard that the section of 88 that passes by Coal Center towards California is in need of a major rehab (as I'm sure most roadways are, especially in the Mon Valley).
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on June 29, 2014, 09:07:15 PM
Too tired to post links, but District 12 has awarded another $10M+ contract for a section of PA 21 between Uniontown and Waynesboro, there is a long range plan to make this corridor 4 lane divided.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Bitmapped on June 29, 2014, 10:55:46 PM
Too tired to post links, but District 12 has awarded another $10M+ contract for a section of PA 21 between Uniontown and Waynesboro, there is a long range plan to make this corridor 4 lane divided.
I believe this project is to realign things southwest of Carmichaels so PA 21 is the through route.  Right now, traffic has to turn to stay on PA 21.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on July 28, 2014, 07:22:37 PM
Squirrel Hill Tunnel workers cope with speeders, exhaust fumes (http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/6493824-74/tunnel-hill-squirrel#axzz38n0ibZ7W)

This article features some pictures of the work in the tunnels.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on August 03, 2014, 01:08:49 AM
Hey, any news on the So Beltway, the PTC website has not had any updates since construction started.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on August 03, 2014, 11:25:49 PM
So. I was checking out any Southern Beltway news and found this listing form the Trib on line from 6 days ago listing SW PA Regional Planning approved list, I would assume these are funded, this is for the next 2 years: 

Billions to be spent on transportation

Pittsburgh

Total: $329 million, including:

• $79 million for Liberty Bridge rehab

• $22 million 10th Street Bridge rehab

• $15 million Greenfield Avenue Bridge rehab (is this not an actual replacement?)

Allegheny County

Total: $542 million, including:

• $71 million for road projects including Route 51 and Washington Road improvements (that's a lot of $$, can someone elaborate)

• $34 million for repairs of several county-owned bridges

• $17 million Elizabeth Bridge

Armstrong County

Total: $77 million, including:

• $31 million for Route 422 safety improvements and realignment in Kittanning Township

• $7.4 million for highway resurfacing of various roads

• $6.6 million for road realignment and bridge replacement along Route 28 in Boggs

Beaver County

Total: $244 million, including:

• $82 million for Freedom Road upgrades (three phases) in New Sewickley and Conway (I am curious how much tis encompasses, with growth in Cranberry, this corridor is becoming a defacto NW arterial bypass)

• $10 million for Route 65 paving in Ambridge

• $8 million for Homewood viaduct bridge rehab in Homewood and Big Beaver

Butler County

Total: $84 million, including:

• $10 million for intersection reconstruction at Route 228 and Pittsburgh Street in Adams

• $7.5 million highway resurfacing, various roads

• $5.5 million for reconstruction of intersection at Route 228 and Saxonburg Boulevard in Clinton

Fayette County

Total: $110 million, including:

• $24.5 million for various bridge preservations

• $10 million for Route 119 improvements in Dunbar

• $6 million for improvements to Route 21 in South Union

Greene County

Total: $44 million, including:

• $11.4 million for resurfacing Route 18 in Center and Washington townships

• $5 million for realignment of the intersection at Route 21 and Bailey's Crossroads in Cumberland

• $4.1 million for resurfacing of Route 218 in Waynesburg and Franklin

Indiana County

Total: $132 million, including:

• $25 million for Route 119 improvements and bridge replacements in Rayne

• $21 million for Rose Street extension, a new two-lane road in Indiana

• $7 million for Route 56 improvements in East Wheatfield

Lawrence County

Total: $89 million, including:

• $11.4 million various road resurfacing projects

• $11 million for Mahoning viaduct bridge rehab in New Castle

• $6.6 million for various bridge rehabs

Washington County

Total: $124 million, including:

• $29 million for intersection improvements in North Strabane for Routes 519, 19 and 980

• $16.5 million for preservation of the bridge that carries Interstate 70 over Route 88 in Speers

• $7.8 million for Bavington Road Bridge rehab in Smith

Westmoreland County

Total: $220 million, including:

• $44 million for reconstruction of Route 119 in East Huntingdon

• $30.4 million for widening of Route 31 in Donegal  (I understand this involves a major upgrade to the 31/711/381 intersection)

• $23.8 million for various intersection improvements along Route 356 in Allegheny

Source: Southwestern Pennsylvania Commission

Now, a rant:  My internet access is 3G, 4G is available, but wireless is all there is out here.  I have a 5G monthly data transfer cap.  Everytime I go to the Trib on line, I find a little 1x1.5" box hidden at the bottom right corner of the screen loading a GD 1080 HD video about something I could care less about, in this case Penn States football schedule.  It eats up 35MB before anything even freaking displays.  Why do they always need to post a video in a reading medium, if I wanted to watch you tube, I would go there.  It's not even to advertise a product, nor appears to be a revenue generating function, and why do you need to post a lousy 1.5 SQ in window in freaking 1080HD.




   

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Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Roadrunner75 on August 03, 2014, 11:54:26 PM
Hey, any news on the So Beltway, the PTC website has not had any updates since construction started.

I was through there a week ago and there were several pillars in the ground for the bridges over US 22 near the current eastern terminus.  I will try to grab some pictures and post soon.  I live in the area and will sometimes go home that way to avoid the mess that has become the construction zone of US 22/30 near Robinson during rush hour.
I passed the 576/22 interchange 2 weeks ago, and my question is this:  What's with the silly looking BGS's (or maybe 'medium' green signs) with the tiny arrows? 
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=40.424131,-80.315745&spn=0.000016,0.013078&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=40.424329,-80.317813&panoid=ZwO_mDo9nIJxt2vgHXVPAg&cbp=12,353.87,,0,-1.01 (https://www.google.com/maps?ll=40.424131,-80.315745&spn=0.000016,0.013078&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=40.424329,-80.317813&panoid=ZwO_mDo9nIJxt2vgHXVPAg&cbp=12,353.87,,0,-1.01)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on August 04, 2014, 03:32:14 PM
Quote
• $15 million Greenfield Avenue Bridge rehab (is this not an actual replacement?)

Last I heard/read it was a replacement.  Part of the plan was to shut down the Parkway East for a few days to build up (then remove) a mound of dirt for the debris of the current bridge to land on.  (Also, the bridge under the bridge would be removed)

Quote
• $71 million for road projects including Route 51 and Washington Road improvements (that's a lot of $$, can someone elaborate)
Just guessing here, but the way it's phrased, it sounds like that may just be a lot of general maintenance/resurfacing/etc..., and they just mentioned those 2 roads specifically.  Other than the already-under-way 51/88 intersection work, I haven't heard of anything major planned. 

Quote
• $82 million for Freedom Road upgrades (three phases) in New Sewickley and Conway (I am curious how much tis encompasses, with growth in Cranberry, this corridor is becoming a defacto NW arterial bypass)

From what I read, it starts at PA-65 and cuts to where the road was improved years ago (PA-989).  There was an article or site months ago with pretty good information and a graphic.

Quote
Everytime I go to the Trib on line, I find a little 1x1.5" box hidden at the bottom right corner of the screen loading a GD 1080 HD video about something I could care less about

Yeah... that gets real annoying.  And it's happening on so many site now.  Automatically starting videos that I don't want have become a real menace.  I don't have to worry about bandwidth limitations (speed or consumption) with FiOS, but the audio is always way too loud compared to whatever else I have going on.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 05, 2014, 05:38:43 AM
Hey, any news on the So Beltway, the PTC website has not had any updates since construction started.

I was through there a week ago and there were several pillars in the ground for the bridges over US 22 near the current eastern terminus.  I will try to grab some pictures and post soon.  I live in the area and will sometimes go home that way to avoid the mess that has become the construction zone of US 22/30 near Robinson during rush hour.

Remember guys, we do have a dedicated thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2294.0) about PA Turnpike 576. ;)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on August 05, 2014, 02:44:12 PM
• $30.4 million for widening of Route 31 in Donegal  (I understand this involves a major upgrade to the 31/711/381 intersection)

While I never found anything of real substance on PennDOT's site for this, http://www.laurelhighlandsliving.com/donegal-interchange-and-rt-31-proposed-construction/ (http://www.laurelhighlandsliving.com/donegal-interchange-and-rt-31-proposed-construction/) has some pictures of pictures and info on their site.

(http://www.laurelhighlandsliving.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Rt-31-Rt-711.jpg)
I guess it's a major upgrade for that intersection, relative to what that intersection is.  It also looks like they're planning a truck climbing lane starting just west of the intersection. (This seems to be showing up upside-down, if you click the image in the article it appears right side up)

Interchange with the Turnpike
(http://www.laurelhighlandsliving.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Turnpike-Inerchange.jpg)
Looks like eastbound PA-31 traffic might get a free-flowing lane, not sure if a barrier is indicated or just painted lines.

Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 06, 2014, 12:01:49 AM
Was just up in Cranberry tonight and found out that PennDOT has now opened the brand new PA-228 WB > I-79 SB ramp.  So, no more left turns are needed going WB on PA-228 to get onto I-79 now going either way.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on August 18, 2014, 07:29:35 PM
I may have inquired before, but is there a website showing progress with the US 219 Summerset to Meyerdale progress?
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 18, 2014, 10:48:18 PM
I may have inquired before, but is there a website showing progress with the US 219 Summerset to Meyerdale progress?

There use to be a website for this project, but it's long since gone.

Anyways, we do have a thread dedicated to this project that updates should be posted to instead of here. ;) https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2269.0
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on December 28, 2014, 04:03:00 PM
In case anyone was curious about (and aware of) progress of the US-119/PA-819 interchange reconfiguration in between Mt. Pleasant & Scottdale, I was able to get these pics on Christmas:

A rough overview:
(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x444/tha_professor1/119-819--Overall_View.jpg)


The new bridge is higher and wider, though with the current diamond ramps open, it has nothing connecting to it yet.
(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x444/tha_professor1/119-819--Route_Crossings.jpg)


The new folded-diamond on/off ramps for SB 119 each require bridges.
(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x444/tha_professor1/119-819--Ramp_Bridges.jpg)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on January 21, 2015, 08:20:23 AM
Greenfield Bridge implosion to close Parkway between Christmas, New Year's (http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/7602385-74/bridge-greenfield-parkway#axzz3PMjt64kh)

Not really too much new here, other than just confirming that it's still happening.

Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: seicer on January 21, 2015, 09:34:19 AM
In case anyone was curious about (and aware of) progress of the US-119/PA-819 interchange reconfiguration in between Mt. Pleasant & Scottdale, I was able to get these pics on Christmas

What is the point of this when there are other intersections that could have been removed? (Not criticizing the need for the project.)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Gnutella on February 24, 2015, 01:24:49 AM
Looks like PA 228 will soon be four lanes between I-79 and PA 8, but they have to whack a few properties (http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2015/02/02/rt-228-work-could-force-some-residents-out-of-homes/) in the process.

They need to widen PA 910 to four lanes between I-79 and PA 8 as well. At least it's good to see one part of the Pittsburgh area with suburb-to-suburb movements that are something more than piss poor.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on February 24, 2015, 03:05:48 PM
Looks like PA 228 will soon be four lanes between I-79 and PA 8, but they have to whack a few properties (http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2015/02/02/rt-228-work-could-force-some-residents-out-of-homes/) in the process.

I guess it all depends on the definition of "soon".  And there are still other segments on the west side of the Mars area that need widened as well.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: JawnwoodS96 on May 21, 2015, 11:36:57 AM
Not sure if anyone is familiar with this site, but The Mon Valley Progress (http://www.monvalleyprogress.org/Turnpike43/index.html) website features some nice, detailed .pdf's of the Mon Valley Expressway from PA-51 to I-376.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Henry on May 22, 2015, 01:03:27 PM
Not sure if anyone is familiar with this site, but The Mon Valley Progress (http://www.monvalleyprogress.org/Turnpike43/index.html) website features some nice, detailed .pdf's of the Mon Valley Expressway from PA-51 to I-376.
It would be nice to finish PA 43 to Pittsburgh, and the Southern Beltway too.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: JawnwoodS96 on May 22, 2015, 01:26:22 PM
Not sure if anyone is familiar with this site, but The Mon Valley Progress (http://www.monvalleyprogress.org/Turnpike43/index.html) website features some nice, detailed .pdf's of the Mon Valley Expressway from PA-51 to I-376.
It would be nice to finish PA 43 to Pittsburgh, and the Southern Beltway too.
The Beltway is currently under construction from US-22 to I-79. The rest of the project (Along with PA-43) is in limbo (Which is unfortunate, because the Mon Valley surely needs an expressway).
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: DeaconG on May 22, 2015, 03:07:55 PM
Not sure if anyone is familiar with this site, but The Mon Valley Progress (http://www.monvalleyprogress.org/Turnpike43/index.html) website features some nice, detailed .pdf's of the Mon Valley Expressway from PA-51 to I-376.
Yes, what could have been.
<Kang>"It would have been glorious! GLORIOUS!"</Kang>
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on May 22, 2015, 08:16:26 PM
I was surprised to see that the ramps would eliminate Bates Street access from the Parkway WB, I wonder what alternative will provide drivers WB with easy Oakland access?
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: JawnwoodS96 on May 23, 2015, 03:12:16 PM
I was surprised to see that the ramps would eliminate Bates Street access from the Parkway WB, I wonder what alternative will provide drivers WB with easy Oakland access?
I think there are about four alternatives with the 376/43/885 interchange. The NS-24A option keeps the WB access with Bates Street (With access to 2nd Ave. intact as well).
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on June 16, 2015, 04:42:04 PM
I was driving around the Airport today and I noticed two stub ramps at the interchange with I-376 and the western terminus of BL-376.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5120127,-80.2750409,461m/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5120127,-80.2750409,461m/data=!3m1!1e3)

Can anyone tell me anything about this?  All Historical Aerials tells me is that the stubs existed as far back as 1993.
 http://historicaerials.com?layer=1993&zoom=17&lat=40.51145001523443&lon=-80.27712106704712 (http://historicaerials.com?layer=1993&zoom=17&lat=40.51145001523443&lon=-80.27712106704712)

I would guess that the stubs are for direct connection flyovers from north I-376 to east BUS I-376.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on June 18, 2015, 07:24:30 AM
Turnpike officials revive Mon-Fayette Expressway extension (http://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2015/06/18/Turnpike-officials-revive-Mon-Fayette-Expressway-extension/stories/201506180044)

Killing off the leg to downtown may make it somewhat more affordable.... But I still won't believe it till I see the earth being moved.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on June 18, 2015, 10:07:38 AM
As a later phase, they could build a reversible "super 2(3) " connector from the Parkway to the Glenwood Bridge based on the build out plans, this combined with some version of an exit from 43 in Jefferson Hills to an PA 885 connector, would give alot of aid to South Hills residents without overloading Mifflin Road.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on June 19, 2015, 09:21:30 PM
Officials consider new color for iconic Sister Bridges across Allegheny (http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/8599080-74/bridges-bridge-county#axzz3dYpFm6UE)

Not sure what I think about the idea in general.
And the poll questions are kind of dumb.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 20, 2015, 12:34:29 AM
Officials consider new color for iconic Sister Bridges across Allegheny (http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/8599080-74/bridges-bridge-county#axzz3dYpFm6UE)

Not sure what I think about the idea in general.
And the poll questions are kind of dumb.

It's simple.  KEEP THEM GOLD!!!!
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Zeffy on June 20, 2015, 12:56:27 AM
It's simple.  KEEP THEM GOLD!!!!

Amen. These golden bridges are a Pittsburgh icon.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 20, 2015, 12:58:21 AM
It's simple.  KEEP THEM GOLD!!!!

Amen. These golden bridges are a Pittsburgh icon.

 :nod: :nod:
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on June 20, 2015, 09:00:07 AM
I remember them before they were gold.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on August 26, 2015, 06:43:29 PM
PennDOT wants to revise interchange on Route 119 in Fayette County (http://triblive.com/news/fayette/8970192-74/interchange-project-penndot#axzz3jxlkU7RR)

We'll see if/what happens with this.  It would eliminate 2 traffic signals, making PA-982 the first one you'd encounter traveling south from New Stanton.
Hoping PennDOT or some organization puts the plans they are showing at the meeting online to be viewed as well.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on September 16, 2015, 11:42:59 AM
How did the Fort Pitt Bridge get its color? (http://newsinteractive.post-gazette.com/thedigs/2015/09/16/how-did-the-fort-pitt-bridge-get-its-color/)

Some interesting pictures and information from a paint job project in 1981.


Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 16, 2015, 08:34:56 PM
How did the Fort Pitt Bridge get its color? (http://newsinteractive.post-gazette.com/thedigs/2015/09/16/how-did-the-fort-pitt-bridge-get-its-color/)

Some interesting pictures and information from a paint job project in 1981.

Love the shots of the old signage on the bridge!
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: PITCHS on October 01, 2015, 12:33:10 PM
PennDOT claims they are considering roundabouts as the first option for intersection reconfigurations and sites like the new New Castle and Bentleyville interchanges on I-70 will make extensive use of them as well, like we see in Europe and even a few thousand miles west on I-70 in Vail, CO.

If funding continues to be decent and they can fix the low hanging fruit over the next 5-10 years, when they finally get to the incredibly substandard portions of I-376 east and west of Pittsburgh, can any of you envision something as elegant as this at Greentree or Squirrel Hill? (Switch to satellite view)

https://maps.google.com/?q=40.547259,-3.895407&hl=en-US&gl=us


Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Gnutella on October 01, 2015, 01:40:34 PM
PennDOT claims they are considering roundabouts as the first option for intersection reconfigurations and sites like the new New Castle and Bentleyville interchanges on I-70 will make extensive use of them as well, like we see in Europe and even a few thousand miles west on I-70 in Vail, CO.

If funding continues to be decent and they can fix the low hanging fruit over the next 5-10 years, when they finally get to the incredibly substandard portions of I-376 east and west of Pittsburgh, can any of you envision something as elegant as this at Greentree or Squirrel Hill? (Switch to satellite view)

https://maps.google.com/?q=40.547259,-3.895407&hl=en-US&gl=us




There's probably not enough room for roundabouts at many of the interchanges along I-376. I think SPUIs would be a better way to go at several of them, including the Green Tree/Mt. Lebanon, Edgewood/Swissvale and Churchill interchanges. Maybe a modified SPUI could work at the Bates Street/Oakland interchange too. If there's one place where a grand roundabout could work, it's the Wilkinsburg/Forest Hills interchange. There's enough room inside the existing interchange footprint for a roundabout with multiple lanes and a decent radius. Speaking of radii, I hope the roundabouts that PennDOT is building now have large enough radii for 18-wheelers to use without dragging their trailers over curbs or grass.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on October 02, 2015, 11:09:27 AM
I always felt that Greentree/Craft on and Squirrel hill should get the "Shirlington Rotary" treatment
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: PITCHS on October 03, 2015, 05:14:27 PM
Eventually they will have to get creative and do something with several of those interchanges. I'd like to see a complete redesign at Carnegie too. All are very challenging but it will be a long time before we see them addressed so plenty of time to think of something that's never been considered before.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: JoeP on November 15, 2015, 02:27:36 PM
I don't understand how the Parkway West can be an interstate with the clear lack of standards at Carnegie and Greentree.

It's really disgusting that people have to drive on something stuck in the 1950s. This should have been addressed decades ago.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on November 29, 2015, 10:23:09 PM
New blog entry that covers the conversion of PA 71 to Interstate 70 (then Interstate 70S) from Washington, PA to New Stanton from 1958 - 1960.  During this time a number of at grades were eliminated, four new interchanges were built, and three others were reconfigured.

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-first-series-of-upgrades-to.html

Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: seicer on December 04, 2015, 07:38:48 PM
Too bad many of those side ramps aren't being closed during the reconstruction of Interstate 70. Many of these interchanges could simply be combined.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 14, 2015, 01:12:15 PM
Just Read that the Parkway east will close between Christmas and New Years for the demolition of the Greenfield Bridge.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 28, 2015, 01:41:36 PM
Greenfield Bridge came down this morning, even though the requisite explosives detonated, the Schenly Park approach remained standing, although mangled up.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: dave19 on December 29, 2015, 11:02:19 PM
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2015/12/28/greenfield-bridge-implosion-day/
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: DeaconG on December 31, 2015, 08:14:21 AM
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2015/12/28/greenfield-bridge-implosion-day/


Did anyone notice that the bridge began imploding before she dropped the plunger? Look at the center of the bridge, it lights off just as she starts to drop the plunger.
Coordination, folks...
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: BrianP on December 31, 2015, 08:49:16 AM
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2015/12/28/greenfield-bridge-implosion-day/


Did anyone notice that the bridge began imploding before she dropped the plunger? Look at the center of the bridge, it lights off just as she starts to drop the plunger.
Coordination, folks...
The plunger was probably for show.  The actual explosion was probably started with the press of a button.  But since you said coordination you probably realized that.  So I'd say close enough.  It's not that important.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: DeaconG on December 31, 2015, 11:31:17 AM
I know, it was just a data point.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: davewiecking on December 31, 2015, 02:36:41 PM
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2015/12/28/greenfield-bridge-implosion-day/


Did anyone notice that the bridge began imploding before she dropped the plunger? Look at the center of the bridge, it lights off just as she starts to drop the plunger.
Coordination, folks...
The plunger was probably for show.  The actual explosion was probably started with the press of a button.  But since you said coordination you probably realized that.  So I'd say close enough.  It's not that important.
When the Woodrow Wilson Bridge was imploded, I recall reading that a licensed demolition person has to push the actual button, so the photographed plunger is indeed just for show.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 31, 2015, 03:25:02 PM
If that's the case they should have had someone dressed as darth vader "use the force" on it.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on December 31, 2015, 04:54:55 PM
Yeah.... if I paid for the winning raffle ticket and it's just for show, I'd want it to be as entertaining a show as possible (accepting the implosion itself is the main attraction)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on December 08, 2016, 04:33:21 PM
Well.... what was apparently at one point considered a freeway idea, is now boiled down to some proposals for for corridor improvement (and maybe an interchange with the Turnpike)

http://laurelvalleyproject.com/default.html (http://"http://laurelvalleyproject.com/default.html")

For what it's worth, a full freeway was probably never necessary anyway.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on January 13, 2017, 04:16:32 PM
2 New Stanton bridges now slated for complete closures (http://triblive.com/local/westmoreland/11767683-74/bridge-project-stanton)

An article that gives an idea of the current progress, and remaining work for the I-70 / New Statnton interchange project (though a lot more pics would have been nice)

Somewhat related, since the new interchange has roundabouts, an article about roundabouts in Westmoreland County

PennDOT touts roundabouts to help motorists in Unity, New Stanton (http://triblive.com/local/westmoreland/11766905-74/roundabouts-traffic-percent)

(There is a pic in the second article that has it looking like I-70 isn't using the temporary highway, and is using the new bridge over the future interchange)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on April 07, 2017, 09:46:00 PM
When writing this feature on the old Greater Pittsburgh International Airport Terminal, all i could think about is how great it would have been to have my digital or cell phone camera vs. the disposable camera I had back then. 

When I was a student at Robert Morris, the old airport terminal was five minutes away and still standing - empty and abandoned - but still there.  On a gloomy October day in 1998, a friend and I decided to explore the old building.  My photos didn't really turnout - fortunately some of them did.  I hope you enjoy this small feature on the old Airport.

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/04/former-greater-pittsburgh-international.html
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: VTGoose on April 10, 2017, 12:01:42 PM
When writing this feature on the old Greater Pittsburgh International Airport Terminal, all i could think about is how great it would have been to have my digital or cell phone camera vs. the disposable camera I had back then. 

When I was a student at Robert Morris, the old airport terminal was five minutes away and still standing - empty and abandoned - but still there.  On a gloomy October day in 1998, a friend and I decided to explore the old building.  My photos didn't really turnout - fortunately some of them did.  I hope you enjoy this small feature on the old Airport.

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/04/former-greater-pittsburgh-international.html

As someone who grew up in Moon Township in the '60s and '70s, this is neat. When Allegheny Airlines morphed from a small regional carrier into the beginnings of USAir, the township saw a boom in growth. My elementary school classes went from small to 20+ kids in the classroom at Carnot Elementary (later a USAirways training center, now demolished and converted to gravel).

Along with the growth of the airport came changes in the roads in the area. New runways severed a number of roads and created some new ones (now subsumed into the new airport) that were straight, flat, and the scene of many drag races. The Beaver Valley Expressway started construction as an extension of the Parkway, with the actual route through the township up in the air for many years. At the time, it was to extend north of the parkway, running from near the West Hills Par-3 golf course/Dependable Drive-in adjacent to the Rosemont and Sharon Hill (where I lived) subdivisions to tie in with the Parkway where it makes the sharp bend near the entrance to the air base. Until the matter was resolved, the expressway ended where there were stubs for that route, and followed the route of the current road to a four-way intersection with the "end" of the Parkway, the airport entrance, and Beers School Road (now University Blvd.). For the longest time, one could exit the Parkway at the at-grade intersection of Thorn Run Road, which provided a back way home (especially after Rouser Road was connected through from Sharon Hill to the office park). That was replaced with the new Robert E. Harper interchange (named for a distant cousin) and all the new roads to serve the office park that took over the former Montour Heights Country Club (which moved to the former McCune estate on Coraopolis Heights Road, where they built a new golf course on the farm). Things changed considerably when the new airport was built and the new highway to serve it wiped out White Swan amusement park and changed the whole landscape of Findley Township.

Bruce in Blacksburg (but a native of the 'Burgh)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on April 27, 2017, 10:21:25 PM
Keeping with the Greater Pittsburgh Airport theme - an exploration of the series of ghost ramps and stubs that are/were around the airport and the stories behind them.

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/04/the-story-behind-ghost-ramps-around.html
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on June 11, 2017, 10:46:53 PM
You may or may not recall the stub end to the US 40 Expressway just east of Brownsville.  After sitting idle for 40 years, the highway finally extended souteastwards as part of the Redstone Connector to PA 43.  Well, I resurrected an old page about it and found some historic aerials and an old map to try and figure out what the original plans were...and still am not sure.  So why not throw it out there and see what others may know!

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-story-on-how-unbuilt-us-40.html
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 16, 2017, 05:53:50 PM
Well, McKnightmare is living up to it's name tonight!!  YIKES!! :-o :ded:

http://www.wpxi.com/news/car-catches-fire-in-floodwaters-on-mcknight-road/534473382
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: VTGoose on June 27, 2017, 09:56:37 AM
Another section of the Mon-Fayette Expressway has been approved, per Trib Live:

Quote
The Southwestern Pennsylvania Commission will include the last leg of the Mon-Fayette Expressway project in its long-range plan.

The regional body on Monday voted 47-4 to include the controversial 14-mile extension in the plan, with three representatives from Pittsburgh-area groups and one from Butler County voting against it.

The expressway, estimated to cost $2.2 billion, would connect Route 51 in Jefferson Hills with Interstate 376 near Monroeville — the last stretch in a decades-long effort to link I-376 to I-68 near Morgantown, W.Va.

See http://triblive.com/local/allegheny/12447355-74/last-leg-of-mon-fayette-expressway-okd
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: jemacedo9 on June 27, 2017, 11:13:54 AM
Quote
“We found out from the Turnpike Commission that if we don't use this money… it will be sent to the other end of the state,” said Fitzgerald. “While I still believe there are probably better uses … I will be supporting this project at this point to move forward.”

Read as:
We won't be supporting this waste of money, let's use it elsewhere.
Wait, if we don't use it here, we lose it?
Well, this will be OUR waste of money, then!

OR

We can't let THEM (that other side of the state) take OUR money away...



Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on June 27, 2017, 05:17:47 PM
What's the saying, "All politics is local"?
Or something like that.

I'll still be surprised to ever drive a mile of this highway north of PA-51.  Not heart-attack-inducing shock.... but surprised.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Roadsguy on June 27, 2017, 08:24:32 PM
Pretty much a waste of money without the western leg toward Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Gnutella on June 27, 2017, 09:51:56 PM
Pretty much a waste of money without the western leg toward Pittsburgh.

Not necessarily. Combined with the Pennsylvania Turnpike and the South Beltway, there's three quarters of a loop around Pittsburgh, albeit all-toll. This also puts the industrial brownfields in the lower Mon Valley (Homestead to Clairton) directly on the Interstate network. Those sites ain't redeveloping without roads that can handle a large number of trucks.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: VTGoose on June 28, 2017, 09:18:18 AM
Pretty much a waste of money without the western leg toward Pittsburgh.

Not necessarily. Combined with the Pennsylvania Turnpike and the South Beltway, there's three quarters of a loop around Pittsburgh, albeit all-toll. This also puts the industrial brownfields in the lower Mon Valley (Homestead to Clairton) directly on the Interstate network. Those sites ain't redeveloping without roads that can handle a large number of trucks.

One of the people who commented on the story on the Trib website pointed to I-279 and its impact. Before it was built (and I-79 was actually completed all the way south to Neville Island), there was't much going on in Warrendale, other than whatever small collection of gas stations and restaurants existed because of the Turnpike interchange there. Now it is a major suburban outpost of Pittsburgh and people know where Cranberry Township is located. I can't say that I-279 is the deciding factor but it had to have an effect on making access to that area much easier. The commenter claimed that completion of this leg of the Mon-Fayette Expressway would have the same effect on that area and people would be wise to start buying property in the area to be ready for the coming boom.

Bruce in Blacksburg -- but a native of the 'Burgh (Moon Twp.)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on June 28, 2017, 07:01:31 PM
Possibly, though most of the North Hills / Cranberry and surrounding areas were farmland / "greenfield"
A lot of the Mon-valley is more-expensive-to-develop industrial brownfield (or already developed, but depressed residential stock)

While transit might be nice for a strictly commuting sense, treating the area as bedroom communities to the downtown/Oakland core, any other development / redevelopment does need major transportation improvements.  I'm not saying this road is going to be a cure-all, hell, even I'm not sure it's worth the money..... but the current road network in the South Hills / Mon-Valley right now is complete and total shit.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: briantroutman on June 28, 2017, 08:47:15 PM
I’ve never understood how the Mon-Fayette will be of much value as a commuter route without the spur into Pittsburgh. While there are some corporate campuses and other commercial centers around Monroeville, someone traveling NE from Duquesne to Monroeville is heading away from the majority of the Pittsburgh metro area. And if motorists try to make the roundabout connection from the Mon-Fayette northbound to the Parkway East westbound, they’ll be exacerbating already overloaded choke points at the Squirrel Hill Tunnel through the Point and beyond.

Honestly, I have long thought that the greatest possible value of the entire project would be its ability to serve as an I-376 bypass if it were to be built as originally planned (with the Pittsburgh spur). In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised the two legs bypassing the Squirrel Hill Tunnel would see more traffic and generate more toll revenue than the entire remainder of the Mon-Fayette.

As currently planned, I only see it being valuable as an industrial route giving Turnpike access to Mon Valley businesses.

One of the people who commented on the story on the Trib website pointed to I-279 and its impact. The commenter claimed that completion of this leg of the Mon-Fayette Expressway would have the same effect on that area and people would be wise to start buying property in the area to be ready for the coming boom.

But if the Mon-Fayette spawns a new Cranberry in the Mon Valley, is that necessarily a good thing? My impression is that, given the overall stagnation of the metro area as a whole, “growth” in SWPA is basically a zero-sum game. In other words, if new shopping centers, housing developments, etc. go up in the vicinity of the Mon-Fayette simply because the land and highway access facilitates new construction, it will be at the expense of other suburban areas or even the Pittsburgh itself.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Gnutella on July 08, 2017, 08:30:08 PM
As currently planned, I only see it being valuable as an industrial route giving Turnpike access to Mon Valley businesses.

That alone makes this project worthwhile, as far as I'm concerned. The Mon Valley is lined with abandoned brownfields, so access to these brownfields reopens them to development. As it stands now, they have no chance of redevelopment because the local road network can't handle trucks at all. (It can't even handle cars efficiently either.) And if we're serious about reducing suburban sprawl, then we'll do whatever it takes to redevelop abandoned brownfields, so new industry has less incentive to develop greenfields.

But if the Mon-Fayette spawns a new Cranberry in the Mon Valley, is that necessarily a good thing? My impression is that, given the overall stagnation of the metro area as a whole, “growth” in SWPA is basically a zero-sum game. In other words, if new shopping centers, housing developments, etc. go up in the vicinity of the Mon-Fayette simply because the land and highway access facilitates new construction, it will be at the expense of other suburban areas or even the Pittsburgh itself.

I seriously doubt that the Mon-Fayette Expressway will induce much residential development. The Mon Valley and vicinity just isn't a desirable area to live, so most new development will be industrial. Using the proposed alignment of the final segment of the Mon-Fayette Expressway, the distance from the current northern terminus to the Allegheny Valley interchange (Exit 48) on the Pennsylvania Turnpike is 23 miles. It'd only take 15 minutes to get from Braddock or Duquesne to the Allegheny River Bridges, 20 minutes from McKeesport or Dravosburg, 30 minutes from Clairton or Elizabeth, 40 minutes from Monongahela or Charleroi, and 45 minutes from I-70. That's a HUGE reduction in time and trouble, so nearby brownfields would be unlocked for sure.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Henry on July 13, 2017, 09:49:52 AM
Time will tell whether it was a good idea abandoning the western spur. Probably not, but I think it's good to see that the whole Mon-Fayette will be completed soon.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Gnutella on July 19, 2017, 06:33:07 AM
Time will tell whether it was a good idea abandoning the western spur. Probably not, but I think it's good to see that the whole Mon-Fayette will be completed soon.

The Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission really had no choice but to abandon the Pittsburgh segment if they wanted to get either remaining segment completed. They'd face ardent, possibly even violent, NIMBY opposition in the city of Pittsburgh, and Bill Peduto is the kind of left-wing liberal mayor who'd do Seattle proud. Right-wing conservatives in western Pennsylvania don't call him "Bicycle Bill" for nothing. :poke:

Not that I have a problem with bike lanes or public transit necessarily, just that the city of Pittsburgh now has a critical mass of people who are so anti-car that they don't even see the need to upgrade I-376 to modern Interstate standards, let alone build a new highway into the city.

ASIDE: The political gradient from the urban core to the exurban fringe in the Pittsburgh metropolitan area has very quietly become extreme, with a deep blue city and inner suburbs, various hues of purple in the remainder of Allegheny County, and deep red exurban counties.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: seicer on July 19, 2017, 07:23:55 AM
That's an unfair characterization. To be blunt, there wasn't much support for the completion of the Mon-Fayette toll road, considering that it doesn't really serve any real economic interest nor serve as a functional bypass.

Would you call all liberals "ardent and violent?" Do you hold the same resolve for conservatives who petition outside of abortion clinics? I sure hope so.

The city isn't all "anti-car" but there is no further room for expressways or freeways that wouldn't decimate entire neighborhoods or further divide the city. I-279 was bad enough, cutting through the heart of a historic neighborhood without provisions for a cap over the freeway. And I-376? It was rehabilitated not that long ago and folks are just fine with it being not to "modern" interstate standards. Sure, some of the ramps could (and will) be reconfigured but the highway doesn't warrant 12' left shoulders. The right-of-way costs alone would make that undertaking prohibitive.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: JawnwoodS96 on July 19, 2017, 12:00:49 PM
left-wing liberal...Right-wing conservatives
At this point, those statements are redundant. I don't see too many blue-dog democrats or liberal conservatives anymore.

I really don't know how to feel about the resurrection of the Mon-Fayette. On one hand I'm pleased they want to finish it, but on the other hand...when will it be completed? I'm guessing sometime by 2047.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Sykotyk on July 22, 2017, 03:40:11 PM
left-wing liberal...Right-wing conservatives
At this point, those statements are redundant. I don't see too many blue-dog democrats or liberal conservatives anymore.

I really don't know how to feel about the resurrection of the Mon-Fayette. On one hand I'm pleased they want to finish it, but on the other hand...when will it be completed? I'm guessing sometime by 2047.

Pittsburgh's terrain makes it difficult to build a freeway. And a modern-standard freeway just to bypass the Squirrel Hill Tunnel? Might as well just V-cut the tunnel out, remove everything above it like they want to in Wheeling, and it would probably be far cheaper and easier than building a bypass of the tunnel.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on July 25, 2017, 03:31:11 PM
Might as well just V-cut the tunnel out, remove everything above it like they want to in Wheeling, and it would probably be far cheaper and easier than building a bypass of the tunnel.

Not with all the property they'd have to buy.... Squirrel Hill is one of the more expensive neighborhoods in the city.
Also, there is no way, politically, it would ever happen that they would just cut out the corridor.

If I have another 40-50 years left on this planet, I expect that what is there now (highway wise) will be what is there on my dying day.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on July 27, 2017, 10:25:52 PM
Liberty Avenue between 12th and 34th to go on road diet as part of improvements"

Liberty Avenue in Pittsburgh to get turning lane, traffic light upgrade | TribLIVE



(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/Themes/Button_Copy/images/buttons/mutcd_merge.png)Post Merge: July 27, 2017, 10:34:47 PM
Try this.

http://triblive.com/local/allegheny/12534531-74/liberty-avenue-in-pittsburgh-to-get-turning-lane-traffic-light-upgrade

Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Roadsguy on July 27, 2017, 11:58:30 PM
For the purposes of OSM mapping, what's the timing for the lane directionality on the West End Bridge? I can hardly find any information on this, and what little I can suggests that it never changes at all except for exiting football game traffic.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 28, 2017, 03:30:35 AM
For the purposes of OSM mapping, what's the timing for the lane directionality on the West End Bridge? I can hardly find any information on this, and what little I can suggests that it never changes at all except for exiting football game traffic.

I think it changes for Rush Hour, but I'm not sure either.  Maybe try contacting PennDOT for that info?  They maintain the road, so they should know this I would think.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on July 28, 2017, 02:32:34 PM
I'm pretty sure it's just after football games (and maybe concerts at Heinz Field as well)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on August 11, 2017, 12:31:30 AM
A developer has proposed a massive Oakland gateway development that will include developer funded improvements to the Bates Street interchange.  It would add a ramp from EB 376 that would fly over Second Avenue and merge onto Second from the right just before Bates for Glenwood bound traffic and a parallell street to Bates to the west that would have a ramp for Oakland traffic to go onto 376 W.  It would also create a much larger radius loop ramp from 376W to 885S encircling a new lake and make the 376W ramp to Bates 2 lanes and keeping to 2 lanes all the way uphill to Blvd of the Allies.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Bitmapped on August 11, 2017, 10:33:17 AM
A developer has proposed a massive Oakland gateway development that will include developer funded improvements to the Bates Street interchange.  It would add a ramp from EB 376 that would fly over Second Avenue and merge onto Second from the right just before Bates for Glenwood bound traffic and a parallell street to Bates to the west that would have a ramp for Oakland traffic to go onto 376 W.  It would also create a much larger radius loop ramp from 376W to 885S encircling a new lake and make the 376W ramp to Bates 2 lanes and keeping to 2 lanes all the way uphill to Blvd of the Allies.

This would pretty substantially improve access to the Southside Works shopping area across the Monongahela River. Right now, access to/from the west to here is pretty indirect.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on October 01, 2017, 09:36:42 PM
You may or may not recall the stub end to the US 40 Expressway just east of Brownsville.  After sitting idle for 40 years, the highway finally extended souteastwards as part of the Redstone Connector to PA 43.  Well, I resurrected an old page about it and found some historic aerials and an old map to try and figure out what the original plans were...and still am not sure.  So why not throw it out there and see what others may know!

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-story-on-how-unbuilt-us-40.html

Last week, I had a blog comment with new information about where that never built highway was to go and what happened to it.

"According to the 25 Mar 1975 The Evening Standard (Uniontown PA):

Proposed construction of a four-lane roadway (Route 40) from the Grindstone Rd. to Uniontown has been held up due to an Environmental Impact Statement and changes necessitated by the Brier Hill "new town" project falling through. A public hearing should be held within the next two months but construction is at least three years away. The project includes a 6.9-mile section from the interchange at the Grindstone Rd. to Rocks Works at a cost of $14 million and another section from Rocks Works to the Uniontown by-pass, four miles at an estimated cost of $15 million."

Now of course that leads to new questions - what was the alignment and how much does the current PA Toll 43 follow those plans from the 1960s & 70s?  Where and how would have it connected to the US 119 Uniontown Bypass?  What was the Brier Hill "new town" project.  Brier Hill was a company mining town built in the early 1900s and the mine closed shop in 1937.  The community was added to the National Register of Historic Places in 1973 - did that have something to do with it?  I had never heard of Rocks Works until this new information and it just seems like a crossroads but who knows.

I think I can safely that the financial difficulties of PennDot during this time period killed this project like so many others.

Looks like if we head home to PA over Thanksgiving a little more digging in Fayette County is now on the agenda.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on October 01, 2017, 10:24:36 PM
I always thought that the PA 21 interchange with US 119 was too high powered and planned for something more important.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on October 09, 2017, 10:43:45 PM
Feature on the old Donora-Webster bridge and that distinct sound from an open-grate bridge.

http://quintessentialpa.blogspot.com/2017/10/donora-webster-bridge.html
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Bitmapped on October 10, 2017, 02:30:57 PM
I always thought that the PA 21 interchange with US 119 was too high powered and planned for something more important.

It's a trumpet with a 25mph loop. It's not high powered at all.

PA 21 is too close to US 40 to allow mainline PA 21 to interchange directly with the bypass. The interchange setup used now provides spacing between the interchanges along US 119.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on October 29, 2017, 09:47:49 PM
One of the curious pieces of Pittsburgh's highway history is the never completed interchange between the Crosstown Expressway (Interstate 579) and Bigelow Boulevard (PA 380).  When construction stopped in the mid-60s on the Crosstown project, a ghost ramp was built into the retaining wall of eastbound Bigelow Boulevard for the eventual tie in of a ramp from what would become Interstate 579 South. 

When construction to complete 579 began in the mid-80s, the plans for a full interchange between the two roadways were dropped - and the ghost ramp is all that remained.  It is widely believed that the addition of the 279/579 HOV Lanes is what killed this ramp, but other theories - including historic preservation - exist. 

Take a look at the slightly revamped page of a gribblenation classic.

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/10/the-bigelow-blvd-crosstown-expressway.html
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on November 19, 2017, 06:45:50 PM
It is widely agreed that one of the nation's most substandard sections of Interstate is Interstate 70 from New Stanton to Washington, Pennsylvania.

Built in the early-mid 1950's, this section of Interstate 70 has numerous features that are below Interstate standards - and were even when the I-70S (later I-70) designation was applied to it.  Consider, a 4' median, deceleration/acceleration ramps less than 400', and more are well below Interstate standards.

One of the more dangerous areas is the Speers-Belle Vernon Bridge over the Monongahela River.  Well into the 1970's, the travel lanes of this bridge were paved with macadam and the median consisted of a 6" wide - 4" high raised median.  It was one of the most deadly stretches of Interstate in Western Pennsylvania.

In the 1970's, the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation had plans to widen Interstate 70 to six lanes and also built a six lane bypass of the Speers-Belle Vernon area to the highway's south.  This would have included a new bridge over the Mon at Allenport & Fayette City.  Unfortunately, like many PennDOT projects of the 1970s, these plans were killed due to the agency's ongoing fiscal issues.

I've updated an old gribblenation page on this never realized plan to upgrade and relocate Interstate 70.  As always, any additional insight and information is greatly appreciated.

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/11/the-relief-route-that-wasnt-never-built.html
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on November 20, 2017, 09:23:34 PM
Another old SWPA Roads Project feature updated for the blog.  The numerous failed plans and boondoggles of the Wabash Bridge and Tunnel.

Currently a reversible rush-hour facility, the Wabash Tunnel has a colorful history or curse of bad timing and lost money.

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/11/the-many-failed-plans-of-pittsburghs.html
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Roadsguy on November 21, 2017, 09:16:58 AM
Another old SWPA Roads Project feature updated for the blog.  The numerous failed plans and boondoggles of the Wabash Bridge and Tunnel.

Currently a reversible rush-hour facility, the Wabash Tunnel has a colorful history or curse of bad timing and lost money.

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/11/the-many-failed-plans-of-pittsburghs.html

Come to think of it, since the tunnel is two full lanes (https://goo.gl/maps/XeG64nT3EGN2), why does it reverse at all if it's still just one lane? Why not have two reversible lanes or just leave it open two-way 24/7?
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on November 21, 2017, 10:53:41 AM
Another old SWPA Roads Project feature updated for the blog.  The numerous failed plans and boondoggles of the Wabash Bridge and Tunnel.

Currently a reversible rush-hour facility, the Wabash Tunnel has a colorful history or curse of bad timing and lost money.

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/11/the-many-failed-plans-of-pittsburghs.html

Come to think of it, since the tunnel is two full lanes (https://goo.gl/maps/XeG64nT3EGN2), why does it reverse at all if it's still just one lane? Why not have two reversible lanes or just leave it open two-way 24/7?

They are ten foot lanes.  So concerns over head-on commissions is why.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on November 22, 2017, 09:59:05 AM

Thanks for writing about this.  I grew up in Belle Vernon and had researched that stretch of I-70 and its origin, but I had no idea about the plans for a bypass.  I wonder if Joe Grata remembers or knows more about this.  He retired from the Post-Gazette some time ago but is still active in the community - including President of the Belle Vernon Area School Board.

I've met Joe twice at road meets we had in the Mon Valley  over the years.  I should reach out to him through another retired P-G that has an interest in the hobby, Pete Zapadka.

Joe most likely has the most knowledge of anyone about Western PA highways plans and projects from the mid-late 60s to today.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: BigRedDog on November 22, 2017, 01:34:51 PM
It is widely agreed that one of the nation's most substandard sections of Interstate is Interstate 70 from New Stanton to Washington, Pennsylvania....

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/11/the-relief-route-that-wasnt-never-built.html

Thanks for writing about this.  I grew up in Belle Vernon and had researched that stretch of I-70 and its origin, but I had no idea about the plans for a bypass.  I wonder if Joe Grata remembers or knows more about this.  He retired from the Post-Gazette some time ago but is still active in the community - including President of the Belle Vernon Area School Board.

I'll add my thanks, too. I grew up in Monongahela and still live in the area. I'd heard rumors of the bypass, but this was a good introduction. If you find any other info, I'd love to read it.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Henry on November 30, 2017, 10:23:25 AM
I think I have reason to believe that PA 43 and PA 576 will be the last two new freeway projects in the area, seeing that it is as built up and pricey as Philadelphia.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Bitmapped on November 30, 2017, 04:42:02 PM
I think I have reason to believe that PA 43 and PA 576 will be the last two new freeway projects in the area, seeing that it is as built up and pricey as Philadelphia.

There's really not a lot of need for additional freeways in SW PA. What is most needed is the widening and reconstruction of existing freeways.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Henry on December 04, 2017, 12:55:45 PM
There are plans to cap I-579 in downtown Pittsburgh:

http://www.post-gazette.com/business/development/2017/12/04/Pedestrian-park-Interstate-579-Crosstown-Boulevard-Lower-Hill-District-PIttsburgh/stories/201712040015
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on December 09, 2017, 10:25:03 PM
For those of us that grew up in the Mid Mon Valley or even the South Hills, you have to take 51 and Saw Mill Run Boulevard into Pittsburgh.  The narrow, traffic congested highway, that's seems to have been stuck in a time warp. 

Well about a 90 years ago, the road was celebrated as a much needed link into Pittsburgh.  I've updated an article I wrote about 51 and Saw Mill Run Blvd on its history and some of the proposals to improve the highway that never came to be.

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/12/a-look-at-pittsburghs-saw-mill-run.html
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on December 10, 2017, 03:46:19 PM
During the late 1990s while a student at Robert Morris, I had an internship in Millvale that required me to take PA 65/Ohio River Boulevard back and forth from the Moon Township campus. 

I enjoyed this drive - it was a mix of beautiful homes, old style highway businesses, some neat bridges, and every now and then some gold brick side streets. 

It wasn't until after I left Pittsburgh that I really discovered the history of this road and it's own unique piece of Pittsburgh.

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/12/pittsburghs-ohio-river-boulevard.html
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on December 11, 2017, 08:59:36 PM
Allegheny River Boulevard is perhaps the most scenic of the Pittsburgh's four City Beautiful highways built in the late 1920s. Running along the south shore of the river the highway is named after, Allegheny River Boulevard was infamously known in the 1930s as "Bungle Boulevard" as a result of errors in planning.

Today, preservationists are trying to restore the eight "observation lookouts" that give this road a parkway feel.

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/12/allegheny-river-boulevard-pittsburghs.html
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 11, 2017, 10:24:35 PM
I once long ago viewed a PA hwy map of Pittsburgh that predated Saw Mill Run Blvd and the West End Bridge.  I was fascinated at the routing of PA 51 and 88 back then:  Both crossing into the triangle via S18th street to Carson to the S10th Street bridge, then second ave with 88 going across the Manchester Bridge and 51 back across the Point Bridge to Carson Street.  Blvd of the Allies also did not exist past downtown so US 22/30 went out Bigelow to Craig to Baum
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 13, 2017, 12:18:19 AM
The initial public hearing for the reconstruction of the PA28/ Highland Park Bridge interchange was tonight with the first showing of the redesign.  I have yet to see it, but one hint I hear is the signalization of the junction of the ramp from the HP bridge to 28 and the Freeport Rd ramp towards 28 n.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on December 22, 2017, 05:13:03 PM
We all have items that really introduced us or got us interested into the hobby. For me, it was hearing my father, other neighbors, and various other people in my area talk about the "New 48". 

I literally grew up on PA 48 - my parents home is still there - and the story of this never completed four lane expressway in Pittsburgh has always interested me.

I've updated an old gribblenation/SWPA Roads Project page on the 'New 48'.  It's amazing how trying to figure out the story behind this route over the years has led to discovering information on many other highways that were proposed and never built in the Pittsburgh area.

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-new-pa-48-unbuilt-eastern-allegheny.html
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on December 23, 2017, 08:21:35 AM
If you lived or frequented Pittsburgh's North Hills often over the last 80+ years, chances are that you are rather familiar with William Flynn Highway which is PA Route 8.  But the name on the street signs are wrong. It is actually the William FLINN Highway named after one of Pittsburgh's biggest political power brokers of the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

For many decades signs along Route 8 incorrectly spelled Mr. Flinn's last name as Flynn. It wasn't until I first wrote about this highway in 2000 that I realized his last name was misspelled.

As a result of his political connections, Flinn's construction firm constructed some of Pittsburgh's most important infrastructure projects of that era including the Mt. Washington Transit, Liberty and Armstrong Tunnels.  It just goes to show that every road does tell a story - even ones that aren't spelled correctly.

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-william-flinn-not-flynn-highway.html
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on December 23, 2017, 08:29:20 PM
A few weeks ago I received a handful of photos showing what would become Interstate 70 in Western Pennsylvania near the Kammerer Exit (Today's Exit 31). These photos are from the 1950s and show the then Alternate PA 71 under construction. The motel in the photos - The Carlton Motel - is still operating. What is interesting is that the highway was originally built at grade. I also came across a vintage 1960s era post card of the Carlton Motel and Interstate 70 that shows the 4" raised curb median and what looks like the lack of a paved shoulder.

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/12/interstate-70-at-kammerer-construction.html
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Roadsguy on December 30, 2017, 09:38:17 PM
I noticed two permanent partially variable signs in the Pittsburgh area (here (https://goo.gl/maps/FBhZijEw9KF2) and here (https://goo.gl/maps/Byx736o4G7E2)), but none of the past Street View captures have them showing anything different (just older versions of the signs if there were any). What do these two signs ever change to?
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 30, 2017, 11:24:27 PM
I noticed two permanent partially variable signs in the Pittsburgh area (here (https://goo.gl/maps/FBhZijEw9KF2) and here (https://goo.gl/maps/Byx736o4G7E2)), but none of the past Street View captures have them showing anything different (just older versions of the signs if there were any). What do these two signs ever change to?

The one on I-376 is for when the 'bathtub' floods and they have to close the road and direct traffic off at that interchange.

As for the one on the Liberty Bridge, no idea on that one to be honest.  Might be a different message for the 'morning' Rush Hour.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on December 31, 2017, 03:43:55 PM
I noticed two permanent partially variable signs in the Pittsburgh area (here (https://goo.gl/maps/FBhZijEw9KF2) and here (https://goo.gl/maps/Byx736o4G7E2)), but none of the past Street View captures have them showing anything different (just older versions of the signs if there were any). What do these two signs ever change to?

The one on I-376 is for when the 'bathtub' floods and they have to close the road and direct traffic off at that interchange.

As for the one on the Liberty Bridge, no idea on that one to be honest.  Might be a different message for the 'morning' Rush Hour.

The Parkway East inbound signs replaced an older rotating message sign.  In 2010, Ed Szuba sent me a photo of the sign when it was in use.

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2010/01/flooding-causes-rare-i-376-message-sign.html

I want to say the sign changes during the afternoon rush hour since it is only a one lane inbound configuration on the Liberty Bridge.  It's been a long time since i've been through there at that time - maybe yourself or someone in the area can check it out sometime.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Roadsguy on December 31, 2017, 04:49:39 PM
I went back through the Street View for the Liberty Bridge one. If the new sign (which is in Clearview and includes To I-279/PA 28 on the right) is anything like the old, it simply switches to blank (https://goo.gl/maps/iQVh9YmJbck) when it's three lanes out. However, in 2011, both captures from that year had the lower section read Exit Only (https://goo.gl/maps/5T9nmJemAdP2) when it's two lanes each way, something it hasn't done in any subsequent captures. Maybe it's just broken and nobody's noticed. This does mean that they at least used to consider the apparent straight on as an exit, and the ramp to 579 as the through movement.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Roadsguy on January 19, 2019, 12:09:41 AM
I also posted this in the Pennsylvania thread in Northeast.

PennDOT has banned trucks on almost all Interstates and some other freeways in preparation for the upcoming winter storm:

https://www.penndot.gov/Pages/AlertDetails.aspx (https://www.penndot.gov/Pages/AlertDetails.aspx)

The affected non-Interstates on the map are US 22 from I-78 to the NJ state line and the entire length of PA 33. Notably, I-95 and I-295 seem to be excluded.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Roadsguy on February 16, 2019, 04:09:07 PM
I originally posted this in the Clearview thread, but it applies here as well:

Bad news (for most of us at least): I just spoke with the PennDOT District 8 senior project manager about signage on the I-83 East Shore Section 1 project and he confirmed that PennDOT has returned to Clearview, this project included. I have no idea about the Turnpike Commission.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on March 01, 2019, 10:42:25 PM
Friday was a good day for us old-time (can't believe we're now that but I've known Jeff for over 20 years) SWPA Roadgeeks

I was a contributor to a feature on Allegheny River Boulevard that was broadcast on WESA-FM this morning:
https://www.wesa.fm/post/when-driving-pittsburgh-s-major-roadways-was-experience-complete-picnic-stops

and Jeff Kitsko's PA Highways webpage on the Allegheny County Belt Route System was mentioned in the Post-Gazette (even though the writer thought his page was the official Allegheny County page!)
https://www.post-gazette.com/local/neighborhood/2019/02/27/Allegheny-Count-belt-system-rainbow-city-wayfinder-Neighborhood/stories/201902270131
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: PAHighways on March 02, 2019, 03:57:02 PM
Friday was a good day for us old-time (can't believe we're now that but I've known Jeff for over 20 years) SWPA Roadgeeks

It's hard for me to believe my website is older than a good number of roadgeeks, but that's expected as a proud member of the "Old Guard."

I was a contributor to a feature on Allegheny River Boulevard that was broadcast on WESA-FM this morning:
https://www.wesa.fm/post/when-driving-pittsburgh-s-major-roadways-was-experience-complete-picnic-stops

Congrats!  Katie seems to be stuck on a road theme as she's the one who interviewed me about the Crosstown/Bigelow missing ramps last April.

and Jeff Kitsko's PA Highways webpage on the Allegheny County Belt Route System was mentioned in the Post-Gazette (even though the writer thought his page was the official Allegheny County page!)
https://www.post-gazette.com/local/neighborhood/2019/02/27/Allegheny-Count-belt-system-rainbow-city-wayfinder-Neighborhood/stories/201902270131

Before I clicked the link, I thought Allegheny County DPW had finally created a page about the belt system.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Roadsguy on March 08, 2019, 09:51:45 AM
A project to reconstruct PA 519 between I-79 and US 19 was just posted to ECMS (project 57201). Interestingly, the control city signage at I-79 is still specified to be Highway Gothic. Supposedly it'll go to construction in late April and be completed in late 2021, so I guess we'll see if it's just another Highway Gothic project in the pipeline or if it'll get changed to Clearview for construction.

(https://i.imgur.com/XOQGyMP.png)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: seicer on May 03, 2019, 10:22:51 AM
(https://wvhistoryonview.org/image/033161.jpg)

I-70 at Claysville, PA but this may be the Dallas Pike interchange (Exit 11), the eastmost exit in West Virginia. (source (https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/033161))

--

(https://wvhistoryonview.org/image/033158.jpg)

(https://wvhistoryonview.org/image/033157.jpg)

The above two are the temporary I-70 connections to US 40 west of Claysville, PA. You can see the tie-in via Historic Aerials (https://www.historicaerials.com/location/40.1093911410227/-80.49553871154785/T1966/15) and the same location on Google Maps (https://goo.gl/maps/38jyziGnVqh2iFZR7). Looking at the aerials further, it looks like a good portion of I-70 in western PA was built as a relocated US 40, with one of the carriageways reused as part of I-70. (source (https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/033157) and source (https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/033158))

Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on May 07, 2019, 11:43:23 AM
Sherman that is a great find and a very rare glimpse of how PA transitioned a temporary interstate end.

Now only if we could find some I-70S items
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on May 10, 2019, 08:13:58 AM
Could it happen? Study into Route 28 expressway expansion to I-80 gets funding (https://triblive.com/local/valley-news-dispatch/money-available-to-study-extending-the-route-28-expressway-to-interstate-80/)

To answer the question in the headline:  No.  (actual construction - the study is apparently happening)

Even in the article it says "They have received $250,000 from PennDOT to identify a list of short-, medium- and long-term projects." - it sounds like this study is a lot more general than the article would have you believe. 

Maybe a by-pass (probably 2 lanes) around New Bethlehem could get built at some point, but that's about as big a project as I'd predict.

Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ixnay on May 16, 2019, 08:14:57 AM
Seicer, I like the nostalgic feel of those bottom two pics (the station wagon, U.S. highway cutout shields, interstate shields with the route name).

ixnay
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ixnay on May 16, 2019, 08:36:55 AM
It's late in the AM drive on 5/16/19, and I-279 is closed both ways from PNC Park up past McKnight Rd.  Is a major reconstruction going on?

ixnay
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: PAHighways on May 16, 2019, 01:37:35 PM
If you are referring to the HOV lanes, those will be closed through mid-June for construction:  https://www.wtae.com/article/long-term-closure-of-hov-lanes-now-in-effect/27013822

SM-G965U

Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: catch22 on June 16, 2019, 07:42:29 PM
I was in the Pittsburgh area this last week, and I noticed one thing I couldn't figure out.  Our hotel was in Cranberry Township, and on some of the surrounding roads there were white lines painted across the road at odd intervals.  Sometimes they were near intersections (first example, NB US-19), and sometime they appeared on either side of a driveway entrance (second example, again US-19, on both sides).  What are these used for?

https://goo.gl/maps/sEwRxq8tRdtbCqhc6

https://goo.gl/maps/fgAMfm6gXB1fCGbJA

Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: PAHighways on June 16, 2019, 07:44:59 PM
VASCAR lines for local cops to determine if you are speeding by timing you between lines with a stop watch.  Only PSP is allowed to use radar

SM-G965U
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: catch22 on June 16, 2019, 07:58:10 PM
VASCAR lines for local cops to determine if you are speeding by timing you between lines with a stop watch.  Only PSP is allowed to use radar

SM-G965U


Thank you.  Didn't know about the radar restrictions.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Gnutella on June 24, 2019, 02:07:10 AM
VASCAR lines for local cops to determine if you are speeding by timing you between lines with a stop watch.  Only PSP is allowed to use radar

SM-G965U


Thank you.  Didn't know about the radar restrictions.


Quite frankly, I hope that never changes. The last thing Pennsylvania needs is a bunch of shithole boroughs that just happened to win the highway lottery balancing their annual budget with radar guns.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: jemacedo9 on June 27, 2019, 08:24:14 AM
http://
VASCAR lines for local cops to determine if you are speeding by timing you between lines with a stop watch.  Only PSP is allowed to use radar

SM-G965U


Thank you.  Didn't know about the radar restrictions.


Quite frankly, I hope that never changes. The last thing Pennsylvania needs is a bunch of shithole boroughs that just happened to win the highway lottery balancing their annual budget with radar guns.

Speaking of never changing...

https://6abc.com/politics/pa-considers-letting-local-police-use-radar-to-catch-speeders/5367487/
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: mrsman on July 12, 2019, 02:43:18 PM
http://
VASCAR lines for local cops to determine if you are speeding by timing you between lines with a stop watch.  Only PSP is allowed to use radar

SM-G965U


Thank you.  Didn't know about the radar restrictions.


Quite frankly, I hope that never changes. The last thing Pennsylvania needs is a bunch of shithole boroughs that just happened to win the highway lottery balancing their annual budget with radar guns.

Speaking of never changing...

https://6abc.com/politics/pa-considers-letting-local-police-use-radar-to-catch-speeders/5367487/

According to the report, the vote was 49 to 1 in favor of radar use.  Wow.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: tylert120 on July 14, 2019, 07:33:32 AM
Even though PennDOT switched back to Clearview, they just replaced a guide sign on PA 791 (Rodi Rd, Penn Hills) and it uses Highway Gothic. Interestingly, PennDOT just replaced a guide sign nearby on SR 2058 (Leechburg Rd, Penn Hills) a few weeks back and it used Clearview.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Roadsguy on July 14, 2019, 08:09:48 AM
Even though PennDOT switched back to Clearview, they just replaced a guide sign on PA 791 (Rodi Rd, Penn Hills) and it uses Highway Gothic. Interestingly, PennDOT just replaced a guide sign nearby on SR 2058 (Leechburg Rd, Penn Hills) a few weeks back and it used Clearview.

Huh. I wonder if the project for that sign was sitting in the pipeline for a while or if there's a bit more to it. Just a few weeks ago, I checked ECMS and saw that one of the most recently posted projects (last two weeks) was the adding of a roundabout at the end of the Shenango Valley Freeway in Hermitage. The large roundabout guide signs (typical style with the circle and branching arrows) had mixed-case Highway Gothic for the mall entrance. Whether those signs are fabricated that way once the project starts is another story...
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: tylert120 on July 14, 2019, 08:53:46 PM
Even though PennDOT switched back to Clearview, they just replaced a guide sign on PA 791 (Rodi Rd, Penn Hills) and it uses Highway Gothic. Interestingly, PennDOT just replaced a guide sign nearby on SR 2058 (Leechburg Rd, Penn Hills) a few weeks back and it used Clearview.

Huh. I wonder if the project for that sign was sitting in the pipeline for a while or if there's a bit more to it. Just a few weeks ago, I checked ECMS and saw that one of the most recently posted projects (last two weeks) was the adding of a roundabout at the end of the Shenango Valley Freeway in Hermitage. The large roundabout guide signs (typical style with the circle and branching arrows) had mixed-case Highway Gothic for the mall entrance. Whether those signs are fabricated that way once the project starts is another story...

See that would make sense. But the sign they replaced that used Highway Gothic was just replacing an old guide sign that was recently damaged.

How do you get into ECMS? I’ve tried as a guest but you can’t see anything. Thanks!
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Roadsguy on July 14, 2019, 09:07:12 PM
Even though PennDOT switched back to Clearview, they just replaced a guide sign on PA 791 (Rodi Rd, Penn Hills) and it uses Highway Gothic. Interestingly, PennDOT just replaced a guide sign nearby on SR 2058 (Leechburg Rd, Penn Hills) a few weeks back and it used Clearview.

Huh. I wonder if the project for that sign was sitting in the pipeline for a while or if there's a bit more to it. Just a few weeks ago, I checked ECMS and saw that one of the most recently posted projects (last two weeks) was the adding of a roundabout at the end of the Shenango Valley Freeway in Hermitage. The large roundabout guide signs (typical style with the circle and branching arrows) had mixed-case Highway Gothic for the mall entrance. Whether those signs are fabricated that way once the project starts is another story...

See that would make sense. But the sign they replaced that used Highway Gothic was just replacing an old guide sign that was recently damaged.

How do you get into ECMS? I’ve tried as a guest but you can’t see anything. Thanks!

You log in as a guest, but then go to Solicitation > Contractors > Bid Packages. Here you can use Advanced Search to search based on various criteria such as district, route number, etc., or use New Postings to view everything from the past two weeks.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 23, 2020, 05:36:18 AM
PennDOT, you had one job, don't confuse people.

https://goo.gl/maps/pUqykuMteJ6tg1P6A

NOTE: it was correct before there, just go back in time on StreetView.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Revive 755 on February 25, 2020, 05:17:02 PM
^ Those signs are a bit redundant when there's already an advance lane use sign mast arm on that leg anyway.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Roadsguy on October 26, 2020, 01:37:45 PM
Something I haven't seen anyone mention but just spotted in satellite imagery: the stub section of the Industrial Highway in western Pittsburgh was recently reconstructed (https://goo.gl/maps/PrVR6Hq5s6XabQya8). A PennDOT press release (https://www.penndot.gov/RegionalOffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1708) indicates that it's been almost three years since this was done. What makes this interesting is that rather than simply repave the road and remove stubs, the entire thing was modernized as if it were completed. Almost all of the medians were replaced, and they replaced concrete at both ends of the road, including the whole southern stub, and the road remains two lanes each way.

This makes me think they might still be considering extending the road. It seems bizarre that in the age of road diets, they neither completely removed the stubs nor reduced the width of the road.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on December 27, 2020, 08:44:43 PM
Not often do you hear or read about state DOT's selling the land that they acquired for a freeway back to the general public.  But in 1982, that happened in White Oak, Pennsylvania - a community just outside of Pittsburgh.

15 years earlier PennDOT acquired over 130 parcels of property - including a beloved amusement park - consisting of over 400 acres to build about a two-mile stretch of a new PA 48 expressway.  Problem was the 1970s happened and PennDOT did not have the funds to construct the highway.

The Borough of White Oak wanted the highway built but was suffering the loss of tax revenue as a result of the right-of-way purchases.  They asked the state to sell back the land and finally, in 1982, Pennsylvania began that process. 

Some of the land was sold back to the original owners - some it went to auction - and some including the old Rainbow Gardens property took nearly a decade to sell.

The Great PA 48 Clearance Sale.

https://www.gribblenation.org/2020/12/the-great-pa-48-clearance-sale.html
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ski-man on January 07, 2021, 02:41:26 PM
Not often do you hear or read about state DOT's selling the land that they acquired for a freeway back to the general public.  But in 1982, that happened in White Oak, Pennsylvania - a community just outside of Pittsburgh.

15 years earlier PennDOT acquired over 130 parcels of property - including a beloved amusement park - consisting of over 400 acres to build about a two-mile stretch of a new PA 48 expressway.  Problem was the 1970s happened and PennDOT did not have the funds to construct the highway.

The Borough of White Oak wanted the highway built but was suffering the loss of tax revenue as a result of the right-of-way purchases.  They asked the state to sell back the land and finally, in 1982, Pennsylvania began that process. 

Some of the land was sold back to the original owners - some it went to auction - and some including the old Rainbow Gardens property took nearly a decade to sell.

The Great PA 48 Clearance Sale.

https://www.gribblenation.org/2020/12/the-great-pa-48-clearance-sale.html
I lived in this area in the 70's & early 80's. Always wondered what was going on in that area. Thanks for the post and the info.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on February 17, 2021, 07:00:32 PM
Jeff Kitsko shared this with me the other day - but Bruce Cridlebaugh's pghbridges.com (Bridges and Tunnels of Allegheny County) appears to be no more.

Bruce along with his site was one of my early influences within the hobby.  His field research and his eagerness to tell some of the backstories on so many things during 1997-02 made SW Pennsylvania and Pittsburgh an early model in roadgeeking.

Bruce personally along with his site was a great help on some of my early SWPA Roads Projects items - something that after two decades and while still in North Carolina, I am slowly trying to recharge.

I hope he is doing well and his work will surely be missed.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: seicer on April 02, 2021, 08:32:19 PM
I don't think much of his site had been updated in 3 years, but it is still accessible at http://pghbridges.com/
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on April 24, 2021, 03:27:06 PM
I don't think much of his site had been updated in 3 years, but it is still accessible at http://pghbridges.com/

Yup, Bruce accidentally let it expire.  I've been in communication with him since his site returned online.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on April 24, 2021, 03:30:25 PM
Earlier this month, I took a trip home to Pittsburgh and ended up driving the entire length of the Orange Belt.  (On a personal note, I grew up on the Orange Belt so it's always been a part of my life).  During this 90+ mile, three and half hour drive, I found myself appreciating this uniquely Pittsburgh institution, yet at the same time questioning the current-day usefulness of the system.

My feature on the Orange Belt: https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/04/one-long-drive-allegheny-countys-orange.html

Hopefully, future trips home (without kids/family) will allow me to drive the full lengths of the other belt routes.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 06, 2021, 05:53:17 AM
Duquesne - McKeesport Bridge was just possibly hit by a barge this morning.  Closed till they can do an inspection.

Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 20, 2021, 06:02:32 PM
PennDOT - District 11 News: High Occupancy Vehicle Lanes to Reopen to Northbound Traffic Friday in Pittsburgh and Ross (https://www.penndot.gov/RegionalOffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5143)  (for I-279)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 01, 2021, 11:37:55 AM
PennDOT - District 11 News: Kenmawr Bridge to Open Today in Allegheny County (https://www.penndot.gov/RegionalOffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5207)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 23, 2021, 10:13:58 AM
PennDOT - District 11 News: Northbound Freeport Road Ramp to the Highland Park Bridge Permanent Closure Begins Monday in Sharpsburg (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5260)

I am not sure if it is truly a permanent closure based on the news release.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Bitmapped on July 23, 2021, 03:14:41 PM
PennDOT - District 11 News: Northbound Freeport Road Ramp to the Highland Park Bridge Permanent Closure Begins Monday in Sharpsburg (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5260)

I am not sure if it is truly a permanent closure based on the news release.
It's a permanent closure of this particular ramp. In the future, traffic will turn left and merge onto the current southbound ramp to the Highland Park Bridge.

This change makes some sense. The current ramp has no merge area and ends at a stop sign, whereas the other ramp is an add lane. This should smooth flow getting on to the bridge itself.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 24, 2021, 01:15:32 AM
PennDOT - District 11 News: Northbound Freeport Road Ramp to the Highland Park Bridge Permanent Closure Begins Monday in Sharpsburg (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5260)

I am not sure if it is truly a permanent closure based on the news release.
It's a permanent closure of this particular ramp. In the future, traffic will turn left and merge onto the current southbound ramp to the Highland Park Bridge.

More on this:
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2021/07/23/freeport-road-highland-park-bridge-ramp-closure/
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 26, 2021, 06:00:32 AM
PennDOT - District 11 News: Northbound Freeport Road Ramp to the Highland Park Bridge Permanent Closure Begins Monday in Sharpsburg (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5260)

I am not sure if it is truly a permanent closure based on the news release.
It's a permanent closure of this particular ramp. In the future, traffic will turn left and merge onto the current southbound ramp to the Highland Park Bridge.

More on this:
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2021/07/23/freeport-road-highland-park-bridge-ramp-closure/

And some more:
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2021/07/26/penndot-closing-ramp-from-freeport-rd-to-highland-park-bridge/
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 26, 2021, 08:29:53 PM
PennDOT - District 11 News: I-376 Banksville Interchange Project Online Virtual Public Open House Thursday (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5267)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 02, 2021, 06:35:56 AM
PennDOT - District 11 News: Northbound Freeport Road Ramp to the Highland Park Bridge Permanent Closure Begins Monday in Sharpsburg (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5260)

I am not sure if it is truly a permanent closure based on the news release.
It's a permanent closure of this particular ramp. In the future, traffic will turn left and merge onto the current southbound ramp to the Highland Park Bridge.

More on this:
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2021/07/23/freeport-road-highland-park-bridge-ramp-closure/

And some more:
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2021/07/26/penndot-closing-ramp-from-freeport-rd-to-highland-park-bridge/

And now PennDOT is reversing themselves and reopening the ramp @ 9AM this morning (08/02) till November when the replacement left turn movement to access the SB Freeport Road ramp onto the Highland Park Bridge is opened.  However, truck traffic will now be banned from using the ramp till the new one is open.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2021/08/02/penndot-to-reopen-northbound-ramp-to-highland-park-bridge/
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 03, 2021, 02:40:49 PM
PennDOT-District 11 News: High Occupancy Vehicle Lanes to Reopen to Bi-directional Traffic Wednesday Morning in Pittsburgh and Ross (https://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5287)  (For I-279)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on August 24, 2021, 08:23:03 AM
PennDOT - District 11 News: I-376 Banksville Interchange Project Online Virtual Public Open House Thursday (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5267)
I viewed the proposed design, I wonder how they will get any hazmat/oversize that overshot the exit off the highway.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: MASTERNC on August 24, 2021, 09:27:38 AM
PennDOT - District 11 News: I-376 Banksville Interchange Project Online Virtual Public Open House Thursday (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5267)
I viewed the proposed design, I wonder how they will get any hazmat/oversize that overshot the exit off the highway.

They might have to move the overheight detectors further uphill.  Same with hazmat signage.

The concern I have is more of runaway trucks using the ramp instead of the escape ramp, since they are so close.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on August 24, 2021, 04:14:01 PM
I viewed the proposed design, I wonder how they will get any hazmat/oversize that overshot the exit off the highway.

They'll probably just turn them around at the base of the tunnels.  That's what they started doing with the inbound Squirrel Hill tunnel.   They used to try and direct traffic off @ Edgewood / Swissvale with detectors and lights, but they shifted that a few years ago to the tunnel plaza.   What sucks about making that standard operating procedure is it requires that traffic be stopped while the over-height vehicle turns around.
(Outbound [EB] over-height traffic is directed to get off @ Squirrel Hill when the lights are flashing)

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The concern I have is more of runaway trucks using the ramp instead of the escape ramp, since they are so close.
I've always kind of wondered how much use that runaway truck ramp gets. 
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 24, 2021, 07:27:04 PM
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The concern I have is more of runaway trucks using the ramp instead of the escape ramp, since they are so close.
I've always kind of wondered how much use that runaway truck ramp gets.

Enough to be justified I'm sure.  It's almost always not needed during Rush Hour though, due to traffic going at a snails pace already due to the weave condition at the bottom of the hill.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 24, 2021, 07:40:59 PM
PennDOT - District 11 News: I-376 Banksville Interchange Project Online Virtual Public Open House Thursday (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5267)

Watching the video, I hope somebody pointed out the following to them in the animation that might still cause a lot of trouble.

They show Banksville Road merging onto I-376 with 2 lanes and with the 2 lanes from I-376, merging into only 3 lanes.  That will be a nightmare trying to force 2 lanes of traffic into one lane (the right lane on I-376 & the left lane on the ramp from Banksville to form a 'middle' lane).  They really need to turn Banksville into a single lane by the time of the merge onto I-376.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: JoeP2 on October 18, 2021, 03:27:35 PM
So in catching, I see the comments about the Banksville changes, but it seems for years there were planned changes to Greentree (and maybe Carnegie?) - what happened to those interchange/ramp changes. It's really appalling that Greentree has the most asinine and unsafe ramps imaginable.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: lepidopteran on October 18, 2021, 11:13:03 PM
In reference to the Banksville Interchange, you know how the highway runs under two adjacent railroad bridges, one taller and one shorter?  Surprisingly, the shorter bridge is still present in the "after" video, even though it looks like the tracks across it haven't been used in a long time (and another bridge that took them over Route 51 along the river was removed sometime within the last 10 years).  You'd think having those abutments out of the way would make for a wider roadway.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Bitmapped on October 22, 2021, 09:54:07 AM
In reference to the Banksville Interchange, you know how the highway runs under two adjacent railroad bridges, one taller and one shorter?  Surprisingly, the shorter bridge is still present in the "after" video, even though it looks like the tracks across it haven't been used in a long time (and another bridge that took them over Route 51 along the river was removed sometime within the last 10 years).  You'd think having those abutments out of the way would make for a wider roadway.

The lower bridge is the former W&LE West End Branch. It's been out of service for about a decade, and I believe it is now officially abandoned. The upper bridge is still in-service.

Removing the median pier from the low bridge doesn't buy you anything because you still have the piers from the high bridge. Removing the right abutment doesn't really get you anything, either, because there is a large retaining wall right in front of it that supports a pier for the high bridge. To move that retaining wall back appreciably (or at all?) you'd have to rebuilt large parts of the high railroad bridge. The land behind the bridge abutments also appears to be park, which adds another level of challenge to this.

Basically, unless you're willing to drop a lot of extra money, you're basically stuck with what you've got.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 22, 2021, 10:07:26 AM
In I-70 news, I found out this morning that the I-70/PA 31 conversion from a cloverleaf interchange to a diamond interchange and the reconstruction of I-70 is substantially complete.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: lepidopteran on October 22, 2021, 02:44:19 PM
According to the project website (https://www.i-70projects.com/projects/i-70-and-sr-31-interchange-improvement-project), the plan also reconstructed the surrounding section of I-70, which included increasing the radius of two curves.

One thing the map does not indicate are traffic signals at the new diamond ramps.  That in itself says something about how overbuilt the full cloverleaf was.

Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on October 22, 2021, 05:43:21 PM
In reference to the Banksville Interchange, you know how the highway runs under two adjacent railroad bridges, one taller and one shorter?  Surprisingly, the shorter bridge is still present in the "after" video, even though it looks like the tracks across it haven't been used in a long time (and another bridge that took them over Route 51 along the river was removed sometime within the last 10 years).  You'd think having those abutments out of the way would make for a wider roadway.

The lower bridge is the former W&LE West End Branch. It's been out of service for about a decade, and I believe it is now officially abandoned. The upper bridge is still in-service.

Removing the median pier from the low bridge doesn't buy you anything because you still have the piers from the high bridge. Removing the right abutment doesn't really get you anything, either, because there is a large retaining wall right in front of it that supports a pier for the high bridge. To move that retaining wall back appreciably (or at all?) you'd have to rebuilt large parts of the high railroad bridge. The land behind the bridge abutments also appears to be park, which adds another level of challenge to this.

Basically, unless you're willing to drop a lot of extra money, you're basically stuck with what you've got.

I thought I saw where one of the bridges was a historical landmark.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on October 26, 2021, 02:31:50 PM
(For PA 28) PennDOT - District 11 News: Southbound Route 28 Traffic Shift Wednesday Night in O’Hara Township (https://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5510)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 22, 2021, 05:53:43 PM
When driving I-376 recently, I noticed that some signs were calling the I-376 BL a BS (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4646337,-80.1949097,3a,15y,342.96h,102.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szND-pgajJjHiNU3XDDDpOw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) (so some signs show it as a Business Spur instead of a Business Loop).  I emailed District 11 today, and I received clarification that it is still a business loop so I guess those signs are an error.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on November 24, 2021, 11:52:43 PM
PennDOT - District 11 News: Northbound Freeport Road Ramp to the Highland Park Bridge Permanent Closure Begins Monday in Sharpsburg (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5260)

I am not sure if it is truly a permanent closure based on the news release.
It's a permanent closure of this particular ramp. In the future, traffic will turn left and merge onto the current southbound ramp to the Highland Park Bridge.

More on this:
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2021/07/23/freeport-road-highland-park-bridge-ramp-closure/

And some more:
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2021/07/26/penndot-closing-ramp-from-freeport-rd-to-highland-park-bridge/

PennDOT - District 11 News: Freeport Road Ramp to the Highland Park Bridge Reopening Today in Sharpsburg (https://www.penndot.gov/RegionalOffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5566)

(For I-70)  PennDOT - District 12 News: PennDOT Announces Virtual Plans Display for the Interstate 70 at Arnold City Interchange Improvement Project (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1670)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 07, 2021, 11:17:15 AM
(For I-376, US 22, US 30, and PA 60) PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 22/I-376 Interchange Improvement Project Online Public Meeting Wednesday (https://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5582)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: MASTERNC on December 07, 2021, 01:07:06 PM
(For I-376, US 22, US 30, and PA 60) PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 22/I-376 Interchange Improvement Project Online Public Meeting Wednesday (https://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5582)

Surprised they're redoing this interchange again.  Didn't they just eliminate some of the cloverleaf ramps?
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 07, 2021, 02:48:02 PM
(For I-376, US 22, US 30, and PA 60) PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 22/I-376 Interchange Improvement Project Online Public Meeting Wednesday (https://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5582)
Surprised they're redoing this interchange again.  Didn't they just eliminate some of the cloverleaf ramps?

The I-376 Interstate Guide Page (https://www.interstate-guide.com/i-376-pa/) indicates that this was part of the conversion of PA 60 to I-376 back in 2009-2010.

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The Route 22/30/60 project ran through November 2010, with loop ramps removed from PA 60 west to I-376.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Bitmapped on December 07, 2021, 03:05:46 PM
(For I-376, US 22, US 30, and PA 60) PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 22/I-376 Interchange Improvement Project Online Public Meeting Wednesday (https://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5582)
Surprised they're redoing this interchange again.  Didn't they just eliminate some of the cloverleaf ramps?

The I-376 Interstate Guide Page (https://www.interstate-guide.com/i-376-pa/) indicates that this was part of the conversion of PA 60 to I-376 back in 2009-2010.

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The Route 22/30/60 project ran through November 2010, with loop ramps removed from PA 60 west to I-376.

It was an upgrade on the cheap. They reused the existing (original) overpass bridge basically as-is, and dropped two loop ramps to eliminate weaving in the interchange along I-376. There are still a lot of weave issues between this interchange and the Summit Park Drive one just north.

This is an area where making a couple new connections with adjoining roads could take a lot of traffic load off this interchange and the next one up I-376. Connecting the two parts of Montour Church Road just to the west, to allow access to shopping from US 22, would help. Realigning Campbells Run Road to meet PA 60 at Robinson Center Drive and/or extending Robinson Center Drive to a new I-376 partial interchange would also help.

I hope there is consideration at improving access with adjoining roads to allow traffic to bypass this interchange. Connected the two halves of Montour Church Road would allow

traffic to/from the west going to the shopping district to stay off I-376.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 08, 2021, 05:37:37 PM
(For I-376, US 22, US 30, and PA 60) PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 22/I-376 Interchange Improvement Project Online Public Meeting Wednesday (https://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5582)

The plan at the moment is to convert this interchange into a DDI including a connection from I-376 WB to PA 60 SB.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Roadsguy on December 08, 2021, 05:40:18 PM
(For I-376, US 22, US 30, and PA 60) PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 22/I-376 Interchange Improvement Project Online Public Meeting Wednesday (https://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5582)

The plan at the moment is to convert this interchange into a DDI including a connection from I-376 WB to PA 60 SB.

Yep; just attended the public meeting. It's too bad 22/30 won't be given two-lane, high-speed movements, but of course PennDOT doesn't exactly have a bottomless well of funds right now...
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on December 15, 2021, 05:33:44 PM
PennDOT - District 11 News: Wolf Administration Announces 2021 Pittsburgh Region Construction Season Wrap-up (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5591)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: CanesFan27 on January 02, 2022, 02:44:09 PM
Growing up in the 80s, I vividly remember being curious about the Twin Rivers Scenic Road signs that had popped up along PA 48 and other roads near where I grew up. It was probably the first signed "touring route" I wanted to follow.  But I grew up - wanted to discover new things - and then moved to North Carolina.  About 22 years ago, a group of us tried to figure out where and what the Twin Rivers Scenic Road went and was, but we never got around to it.  Fast forward to this past fall and a photo and a question in a Facebook Group had me blow off the dust and dive in the deep reservoirs of roadgeek information to try and figure out this road.  Spoiler Alert: I still don't exactly know.

The Twin Rivers Scenic Road - A Mon Valley Mystery is up on the blog:
https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/01/twin-rivers-scenic-road-mon-valley.html

Plus, when was the last time you saw an article reference misc.transport.road as a source of information.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 09, 2022, 08:27:06 AM
(For PA 65) PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 65 Ramp to Southbound I-79 Pattern Change Begins Next Week in Glenfield (https://www.penndot.gov/RegionalOffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5611)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 24, 2022, 08:42:23 AM
(For PA 228)  PennDOT - District 10 News: Travel Alert for The Ball's Bend Safety Improvement Project on Route 228 Middlesex Township (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-10/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1156)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 26, 2022, 01:16:13 PM
(For PA 65) PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 65 Ramp to Southbound I-79 Pattern Change Begins Next Week in Glenfield (https://www.penndot.gov/RegionalOffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5611)

(For PA 65)  PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 65 On-ramps to Southbound I-79 Long-term Closure Begins Monday in Allegheny County (https://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5627)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 03, 2022, 02:03:17 PM
(For PA 51 and I-70)  PennDOT - District 12 News: Route 51 Emergency Repairs Begin Monday in Rostraver Township (https://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1695)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 07, 2022, 08:39:48 AM
PennDOT - District 12 News: PennDOT Announces Virtual Plans Display for Route 2027 (Maple Drive) over I-70 at Speers Interchange-Bridge Replacement Project in Washington County (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1705)

(For PA 18)  PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 18 Frankfort Road Bridge Replacement Online Public Meeting Wednesday (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5635)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 11, 2022, 12:22:56 PM
PennDOT - District 11 News: I-79 Lane Restrictions Begin Monday in Allegheny County (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5637)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 17, 2022, 03:34:57 PM
(For PA 28) PennDOT - District 11 News: Northbound Route 28 Daylight Restrictions Begin Next Week in Pittsburgh (https://www.penndot.gov/RegionalOffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5642)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 18, 2022, 07:44:21 AM
(Also for PA 201) PennDOT - District 12 News: PennDOT Announces Updated Virtual Plans Display for Route 3007 (Fayette Street) over Interstate 70 Bridge Replacement Project in Westmoreland County (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1712)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Bitmapped on February 18, 2022, 12:12:54 PM
(Also for PA 201) PennDOT - District 12 News: PennDOT Announces Updated Virtual Plans Display for Route 3007 (Fayette Street) over Interstate 70 Bridge Replacement Project in Westmoreland County (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1712)

I'm surprised they are just raising the existing PA 201 bridge rather than replacing it. It's an original through girder structure. Maybe this is a temporary project until they do a larger rehab in this section?
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 18, 2022, 12:29:29 PM
PennDOT - District 11 News: 10th Street Bypass Scheduled to Close Due to Expected Flooding in Pittsburgh (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5649)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 18, 2022, 06:54:19 PM
PennDOT - District 11 News: Southbound I-279 Parkway North Ramp to Eastbound I-376 Parkway East Scheduled to Close Due to Potential Flooding in Pittsburgh (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5652)

PennDOT - District 11 News: Westbound I-376 Parkway East Scheduled to Close Due to Potential Flooding in Pittsburgh (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5651)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: davewiecking on February 18, 2022, 08:31:00 PM
(Also for PA 201) PennDOT - District 12 News: PennDOT Announces Updated Virtual Plans Display for Route 3007 (Fayette Street) over Interstate 70 Bridge Replacement Project in Westmoreland County (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1712)

I'm surprised they are just raising the existing PA 201 bridge rather than replacing it. It's an original through girder structure. Maybe this is a temporary project until they do a larger rehab in this section?

Bridge has a fresh coat of paint, so I imagine PennDOT has a good idea of its condition. Main span support at 4 discrete points, so I imagine it’ll be pretty simple to “slip in some shims” so to speak. If they rebuilt the whole thing, they’d probably have to widen the shoulders and reconfigure the ramps. And figure out how to access the handful of properties along Greenhill Rd.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 20, 2022, 02:04:42 PM
PennDOT - District 11 News: Southbound I-279 Parkway North Ramp to Eastbound I-376 Parkway East Scheduled to Close Due to Potential Flooding in Pittsburgh (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5652)

PennDOT - District 11 News: Westbound I-376 Parkway East Scheduled to Close Due to Potential Flooding in Pittsburgh (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5651)

PennDOT - District 11 News: Westbound I-376 Parkway East Bathtub Area Reopened (https://www.penndot.gov/RegionalOffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5658)

PennDOT - District 11 News: 10th Street Bypass Reopens in Pittsburgh (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5659)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Gnutella on February 27, 2022, 06:12:45 AM
I've looked at some of the reconstructed segments of I-70 south of Pittsburgh, and they're a major upgrade from what the highway used to be.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: mvak36 on February 28, 2022, 10:26:20 AM
I've looked at some of the reconstructed segments of I-70 south of Pittsburgh, and they're a major upgrade from what the highway used to be.

Yeah. They've made a lot of changes these last 10 years. One thing I noticed was they fixed those short ramp merges on the interchanges.

Here's the PennDOT site for those projects: https://www.i-70projects.com/
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Mr_Northside on February 28, 2022, 04:32:27 PM
Clearly the major priority of where the money has gone has been to ramp/interchange reconstructions and improvements. (Still quite a few left to do)

I also agree the completed portions, while still in a pretty narrow footprint, are a major upgrade.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Roadsguy on February 28, 2022, 06:07:25 PM
Clearly the major priority of where the money has gone has been to ramp/interchange reconstructions and improvements. (Still quite a few left to do)

I also agree the completed portions, while still in a pretty narrow footprint, are a major upgrade.

Yes, I've been on some of them, and while it would have been better if they had widened it to six lanes with full shoulders, it's still much better than the untouched sections. The narrow inside shoulder is about as wide as the unreconstructed Turnpike sections, and all the overpasses are being built long enough (and even some mainline bridges wide enough) to allow for a third lane. I wonder if there were right-of-way constraints that made them choose between a wider inside shoulder or a future third lane?
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 01, 2022, 04:19:12 PM
PennDOT - District 11 News: Northbound I-79 Crossover Begins this Weekend in Allegheny County (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/RegionalOffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5672)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 02, 2022, 02:43:01 PM
(For I-70) PennDOT - District 12 News: Interstate 70 Closures and Restrictions Anticipated Next Week for Emergency (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1720)

I think that this is all within the I-70/PA 51 interchange.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 04, 2022, 01:43:54 PM
(For I-70) PennDOT - District 12 News: Interstate 70 Closures and Restrictions Anticipated Next Week for Emergency (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1720)

I think that this is all within the I-70/PA 51 interchange.

(For I-70) PennDOT - District 12 News: SCHEDULE CHANGE: Interstate 70 Closures and Restrictions Anticipated Next Week for Emergency Repairs (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1721)

(For PA 28)  PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 28 Off-ramps to Freeport Road Reconstruction Begins Tuesday in Sharpsburg (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5674)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: MASTERNC on March 05, 2022, 03:45:35 PM
(For I-70) PennDOT - District 12 News: Interstate 70 Closures and Restrictions Anticipated Next Week for Emergency (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1720)

I think that this is all within the I-70/PA 51 interchange.

Crazy that they make you go 4 miles out of the way instead of letting people make left turns to turn around, but I get that might create a mess.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 09, 2022, 03:38:30 PM
(For I-70) PennDOT - District 12 News: Interstate 70 Closures and Restrictions Anticipated Next Week for Emergency (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1720)

I think that this is all within the I-70/PA 51 interchange.

Crazy that they make you go 4 miles out of the way instead of letting people make left turns to turn around, but I get that might create a mess.

(For I-70)  PennDOT - District 12 News:  SCHEDULE CHANGE: Interstate 70 Closures and Restrictions for Emergency Repairs (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1723)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 10, 2022, 02:33:05 PM
(For I-70) PennDOT - District 12 News: Interstate 70 Closures and Restrictions Anticipated Next Week for Emergency (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1720)

I think that this is all within the I-70/PA 51 interchange.

Crazy that they make you go 4 miles out of the way instead of letting people make left turns to turn around, but I get that might create a mess.

(For I-70)  PennDOT - District 12 News:  SCHEDULE CHANGE: Interstate 70 Closures and Restrictions for Emergency Repairs (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1723)

(For I-70, another schedule change)  PennDOT - District 12 News: SCHEDULE CHANGE: Interstate 70 Closures and Restrictions for Emergency Repairs (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1724)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 11, 2022, 10:12:24 AM
(For I-70)  PennDOT - District 12 News: Interstate 70 Yukon/Madison Interchange Construction Restart (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/RegionalOffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1726)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 11, 2022, 02:13:12 PM
(For I-70) PennDOT - District 12 News: Interstate 70 Closures and Restrictions Anticipated Next Week for Emergency (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1720)

I think that this is all within the I-70/PA 51 interchange.

Crazy that they make you go 4 miles out of the way instead of letting people make left turns to turn around, but I get that might create a mess.

(For I-70)  PennDOT - District 12 News:  SCHEDULE CHANGE: Interstate 70 Closures and Restrictions for Emergency Repairs (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1723)

(For I-70, another schedule change)  PennDOT - District 12 News: SCHEDULE CHANGE: Interstate 70 Closures and Restrictions for Emergency Repairs (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1724)

(For I-70 and PA 51)  PennDOT - District 12 News: SCHEDULE UPDATE: Route 51 Emergency Repairs (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1729)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 12, 2022, 06:53:58 PM
(For PA 588) PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 588 Bennetts Run Road Slide Repair Starts Monday in North Sewickley Township (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/RegionalOffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5684)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 15, 2022, 05:50:50 PM
PennDOT - District 11 News: Northbound I-79 Crossover Begins Thursday Night in Allegheny County (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/RegionalOffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5689)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 17, 2022, 12:46:19 PM
PennDOT - District 11 News: Wolf Administration Highlights 2022 Pittsburgh Region Construction Season, Highlights Bipartisan Infrastructure Law (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/RegionalOffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5691)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 23, 2022, 10:02:44 AM
(For PA 65) PennDOT - District 11 News: Northbound Route 65 On-Ramp from Kilbuck Street Closure Begins Wednesday in Glenfield (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/RegionalOffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5705)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 24, 2022, 05:02:11 PM
(For PA 28)  PennDOT - District 11 News: Highland Park Bridge Ramp to Northbound Route 28 Long-term Closure Begins Monday in Aspinwall (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5708)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 28, 2022, 10:02:08 AM
(For PA 356)  PennDOT - District 12 News: Route 356 Road Closure (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1732)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 30, 2022, 03:11:49 PM
(For US 30)  PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 30 Ardmore Boulevard Crossover Begins this Weekend in Forest Hills (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5714)

(For PA 837)  PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 837 West Seventh Avenue/West Eighth Avenue Improvements Begin Monday in Pittsburgh (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5718)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 31, 2022, 02:16:20 PM
PennDOT - District 12 News: Wolf Administration Previews Bipartisan Infrastructure Law Impact in Southwest Region 2022 Construction Season (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1733)

(For I-70) PennDOT - District 12 News: Interstate 70 Traffic Pattern Changes and Overnight Closures (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1734)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 06, 2022, 09:31:14 AM
(For PA 837)  PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 837 Seventh Avenue/ West Eighth Avenue Project Crossover Begins Monday in Pittsburgh (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5731)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 07, 2022, 10:09:16 AM
(For I-70) PennDOT - District 12 News: Interstate 70 Traffic Pattern Changes and Overnight Closures (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1734)

(For I-70) PennDOT - District 12 News: REMINDER: Interstate 70 Traffic Pattern Changes and Overnight Closures (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/RegionalOffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1740)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 10, 2022, 05:57:42 PM
(For PA 88)  PennDOT - District 12 News: Route 88 Closed Due to a Landslide (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/RegionalOffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1745)

(For US 30)  PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 30 Long-term Closure Begins April 13 in Beaver County (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5735)

(For PA 28)  PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 28 Daylight Lane Restrictions Begin Next Week in O’Hara (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5736)

(For PA 151)  PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 151 Bocktown Road Slide Remediation, Wall Repairs Start Monday in Hopewell (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5739)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 11, 2022, 10:51:33 AM
(For PA 18 and I-70)  PennDOT - District 12 News: Northbound Route 18 Jefferson Avenue Lane Closure (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1746)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 13, 2022, 02:10:27 PM
(For PA 88)  PennDOT - District 12 News: Route 88 Closed Due to a Landslide (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/RegionalOffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1745)

(For PA 88)  PennDOT - District 12 News: Route 88 Reopens (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1747)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 15, 2022, 08:36:35 AM
PennDOT - District 12 News: PennDOT Announces Public Virtual Plans Display for the Fourth Street Bridge Replacement Project in North Irwin Borough, Westmoreland County (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1752)

(For PA 21 and PA 166)  PennDOT - District 12 News: Route 21 Roy E. Furman Highway Traffic Restrictions (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/RegionalOffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1753)

(For PA 28) PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 28 Daylight Single-Lane Restrictions Extended Next Week in O’Hara (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5745)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 17, 2022, 10:45:20 PM
Seems that there are going to be adding traffic lights to the 'middle' of the Highland Park Bridge connector here in Pittsburgh.  That will be weird for sure.

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2022/03/27/highland-park-bridge-route-28-penndot-ramp-closure-traffic-disruptions/stories/202203250107

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The project also will change the configuration of traffic entering the bridge to eliminate a dangerous merge for northbound traffic. And traffic signals will be installed where Freeport Road traffic merges onto the bridge to head south and on Freeport Road at the ramp just past Western Avenue in Aspinwall that takes traffic to a merge point on the bridge and then onto Route 28.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 17, 2022, 11:07:11 PM
Seems that there are going to be adding traffic lights to the 'middle' of the Highland Park Bridge connector here in Pittsburgh.  That will be weird for sure.

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2022/03/27/highland-park-bridge-route-28-penndot-ramp-closure-traffic-disruptions/stories/202203250107

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The project also will change the configuration of traffic entering the bridge to eliminate a dangerous merge for northbound traffic. And traffic signals will be installed where Freeport Road traffic merges onto the bridge to head south and on Freeport Road at the ramp just past Western Avenue in Aspinwall that takes traffic to a merge point on the bridge and then onto Route 28.

Well that ends any slim chance to convince me to add the Highland Park Bridge to usasf in Travel Mapping.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 18, 2022, 02:49:49 AM
Seems that there are going to be adding traffic lights to the 'middle' of the Highland Park Bridge connector here in Pittsburgh.  That will be weird for sure.

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2022/03/27/highland-park-bridge-route-28-penndot-ramp-closure-traffic-disruptions/stories/202203250107

Quote
The project also will change the configuration of traffic entering the bridge to eliminate a dangerous merge for northbound traffic. And traffic signals will be installed where Freeport Road traffic merges onto the bridge to head south and on Freeport Road at the ramp just past Western Avenue in Aspinwall that takes traffic to a merge point on the bridge and then onto Route 28.

Well that ends any slim chance to convince me to add the Highland Park Bridge to usasf in Travel Mapping.

Yep, here's the proof:
https://www.penndot.pa.gov/RegionalOffices/district-11/PublicMeetings/AlleghenyCounty/Documents/28_HPI_Roll_Plot_Mar20-Final%20Design%20(1).pdf

From: https://www.penndot.pa.gov/RegionalOffices/district-11/ConstructionsProjectsAndRoadwork/AlleghenyCountyConstruction/Pages/HighlandParkInterchangeProject.aspx
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 18, 2022, 10:44:05 AM
(For PA 837)  PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 837 East Carson Street Work Continues in Pittsburgh (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5747)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Bitmapped on April 18, 2022, 11:20:42 AM
Seems that there are going to be adding traffic lights to the 'middle' of the Highland Park Bridge connector here in Pittsburgh.  That will be weird for sure.

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2022/03/27/highland-park-bridge-route-28-penndot-ramp-closure-traffic-disruptions/stories/202203250107

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The project also will change the configuration of traffic entering the bridge to eliminate a dangerous merge for northbound traffic. And traffic signals will be installed where Freeport Road traffic merges onto the bridge to head south and on Freeport Road at the ramp just past Western Avenue in Aspinwall that takes traffic to a merge point on the bridge and then onto Route 28.

Well that ends any slim chance to convince me to add the Highland Park Bridge to usasf in Travel Mapping.

Yep, here's the proof:
https://www.penndot.pa.gov/RegionalOffices/district-11/PublicMeetings/AlleghenyCounty/Documents/28_HPI_Roll_Plot_Mar20-Final%20Design%20(1).pdf

From: https://www.penndot.pa.gov/RegionalOffices/district-11/ConstructionsProjectsAndRoadwork/AlleghenyCountyConstruction/Pages/HighlandParkInterchangeProject.aspx

There is a short weave right of only about 200 feet right now now approaching PA 28. Short of relocating ramps, which would be difficult, this is really the only way to eliminate the weave. Traffic can queue up in the correct lane at the signal and then go when the 2-phase signal cycles back and forth. The delay should be pretty minimal.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 19, 2022, 03:14:09 PM
(For I-79)  PennDOT - District 11 News: Northbound I-79 Short-term Traffic Stoppages Start Wednesday in Glenfield, Aleppo (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5749)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 20, 2022, 03:51:42 PM
PennDOT - District 11 News: Southbound Route 2114 McKeesport-Duquesne Bridge Weekend Closure April 22-25 (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5751)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 21, 2022, 04:16:18 PM
(For I-376 BL)  PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 3160 Business Loop 376 Long-term Single-lane Closures Begin Next Week in Moon (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5753)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: coldshoulder on April 22, 2022, 10:36:01 PM
(For I-376 BL)  PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 3160 Business Loop 376 Long-term Single-lane Closures Begin Next Week in Moon (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5753)

Just curious about the "Route 3160" designation, as I've never seen or heard it referenced before anywhere.
Is it fairly recent?  And what is the purpose? Is the 3160 a state, county, or township route number? Is it signed as both 3160/Bus. Loop 376? And does the dual designation cause any confusion?
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Crown Victoria on April 22, 2022, 11:28:20 PM
(For I-376 BL)  PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 3160 Business Loop 376 Long-term Single-lane Closures Begin Next Week in Moon (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5753)

Just curious about the "Route 3160" designation, as I've never seen or heard it referenced before anywhere.
Is it fairly recent?  And what is the purpose? Is the 3160 a state, county, or township route number? Is it signed as both 3160/Bus. Loop 376? And does the dual designation cause any confusion?

In PA, secondary routes are given a 4-digit number. Each county is divided into 4 quadrants, and number is assigned according to the quadrant a given route is located in. These numbers are unique within a county, but they can repeat across the state.

In this case, "Route 3160" is the internal designation for BL-376. It is not signed like Interstates, US Routes, and State Routes are, but the number can be found on the "Little White Signs" commonplace throughout PA.

There are other 4-digit designations for relocated routes (such as the old US 6 in Lackawanna County), interchanges, rest areas, and even PA Turnpike routes.

Some background on the Location Referencing System: https://www.penndot.pa.gov/ProjectAndPrograms/ResearchandTesting/RoadwayManagementandTesting/Documents/LOCATION%20REFERENCING%20SYSTEM.pdf


74/171FAN, did I get this right?
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Roadsguy on April 22, 2022, 11:44:08 PM
(For I-376 BL)  PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 3160 Business Loop 376 Long-term Single-lane Closures Begin Next Week in Moon (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5753)

Just curious about the "Route 3160" designation, as I've never seen or heard it referenced before anywhere.
Is it fairly recent?  And what is the purpose? Is the 3160 a state, county, or township route number? Is it signed as both 3160/Bus. Loop 376? And does the dual designation cause any confusion?

In PA, secondary routes are given a 4-digit number. Each county is divided into 4 quadrants, and number is assigned according to the quadrant a given route is located in. These numbers are unique within a county, but they can repeat across the state.

In this case, "Route 3160" is the internal designation for BL-376. It is not signed like Interstates, US Routes, and State Routes are, but the number can be found on the "Little White Signs" commonplace throughout PA.

There are other 4-digit designations for relocated routes (such as the old US 6 in Lackawanna County), interchanges, rest areas, and even PA Turnpike routes.

Some background on the Location Referencing System: https://www.penndot.pa.gov/ProjectAndPrograms/ResearchandTesting/RoadwayManagementandTesting/Documents/LOCATION%20REFERENCING%20SYSTEM.pdf


74/171FAN, did I get this right?

In fact, all state-owned routes are given a four digit number, with signed routes padded with leading zeroes (e.g., SR 0001, SR 0095, SR 0309). Often the leading zeroes are omitted, though, such as on the little white section markers.

Business routes are usually numbered with a 3 or a 6 for the first digit, followed by the three digits of the parent route. (The "60" in the aforementioned SR 3160 is because I-376 here used to be PA 60 until 2009, but I don't know why the 1 is there.) US 6N, PA's only suffixed route, is internally numbered in a similar way: SR 3006.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Bitmapped on April 23, 2022, 10:13:20 PM
(For I-376 BL)  PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 3160 Business Loop 376 Long-term Single-lane Closures Begin Next Week in Moon (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5753)

Just curious about the "Route 3160" designation, as I've never seen or heard it referenced before anywhere.
Is it fairly recent?  And what is the purpose? Is the 3160 a state, county, or township route number? Is it signed as both 3160/Bus. Loop 376? And does the dual designation cause any confusion?

In PA, secondary routes are given a 4-digit number. Each county is divided into 4 quadrants, and number is assigned according to the quadrant a given route is located in. These numbers are unique within a county, but they can repeat across the state.

In this case, "Route 3160" is the internal designation for BL-376. It is not signed like Interstates, US Routes, and State Routes are, but the number can be found on the "Little White Signs" commonplace throughout PA.

There are other 4-digit designations for relocated routes (such as the old US 6 in Lackawanna County), interchanges, rest areas, and even PA Turnpike routes.

Some background on the Location Referencing System: https://www.penndot.pa.gov/ProjectAndPrograms/ResearchandTesting/RoadwayManagementandTesting/Documents/LOCATION%20REFERENCING%20SYSTEM.pdf


74/171FAN, did I get this right?

In fact, all state-owned routes are given a four digit number, with signed routes padded with leading zeroes (e.g., SR 0001, SR 0095, SR 0309). Often the leading zeroes are omitted, though, such as on the little white section markers.

Business routes are usually numbered with a 3 or a 6 for the first digit, followed by the three digits of the parent route. (The "60" in the aforementioned SR 3160 is because I-376 here used to be PA 60 until 2009, but I don't know why the 1 is there.) US 6N, PA's only suffixed route, is internally numbered in a similar way: SR 3006.

There was probably already a SR 3060 in Allegheny County at the time PA 60 became Business PA 60, likely somewhere around North Fayette Township. The route number no longer exists but the next couple numbers before and after it do. It likely was a victim of a turnback to a township or to Allegheny County, which unusually for Pennsylvania, does maintain some roads on its own.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 24, 2022, 09:29:52 AM
(For I-376 BL)  PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 3160 Business Loop 376 Long-term Single-lane Closures Begin Next Week in Moon (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5753)

Just curious about the "Route 3160" designation, as I've never seen or heard it referenced before anywhere.
Is it fairly recent?  And what is the purpose? Is the 3160 a state, county, or township route number? Is it signed as both 3160/Bus. Loop 376? And does the dual designation cause any confusion?

In PA, secondary routes are given a 4-digit number. Each county is divided into 4 quadrants, and number is assigned according to the quadrant a given route is located in. These numbers are unique within a county, but they can repeat across the state.

In this case, "Route 3160" is the internal designation for BL-376. It is not signed like Interstates, US Routes, and State Routes are, but the number can be found on the "Little White Signs" commonplace throughout PA.

There are other 4-digit designations for relocated routes (such as the old US 6 in Lackawanna County), interchanges, rest areas, and even PA Turnpike routes.

Some background on the Location Referencing System: https://www.penndot.pa.gov/ProjectAndPrograms/ResearchandTesting/RoadwayManagementandTesting/Documents/LOCATION%20REFERENCING%20SYSTEM.pdf


74/171FAN, did I get this right?

In fact, all state-owned routes are given a four digit number, with signed routes padded with leading zeroes (e.g., SR 0001, SR 0095, SR 0309). Often the leading zeroes are omitted, though, such as on the little white section markers.

Business routes are usually numbered with a 3 or a 6 for the first digit, followed by the three digits of the parent route. (The "60" in the aforementioned SR 3160 is because I-376 here used to be PA 60 until 2009, but I don't know why the 1 is there.) US 6N, PA's only suffixed route, is internally numbered in a similar way: SR 3006.

Yeah, you basically got it right.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 26, 2022, 04:10:49 PM
(For I-70)  PennDOT - District 12 News: Closures Scheduled for Interstate 70 Yukon/Madison Ramps & Route 3037 Waltz Mill Road (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1764)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: jemacedo9 on April 26, 2022, 08:57:07 PM
Business routes are usually numbered with a 3 or a 6 for the first digit, followed by the three digits of the parent route. (The "60" in the aforementioned SR 3160 is because I-376 here used to be PA 60 until 2009, but I don't know why the 1 is there.) US 6N, PA's only suffixed route, is internally numbered in a similar way: SR 3006.

That's not necessarily true; business routes starting with a 3 or 6.  There is no consistency.  Some times they are just regular quadrant routes numbers. Other times the US route number is embedded.
US 1 Business - SR 2037 Bucks County
US 6 Business - SR 6006 Lackawanna County and SR 6006 Warren County
US 15 Business - SR 2005 Tioga County and SR 3001 Adams County
US 22 Business - SR 3002 Mifflin County and SR 2048 Allegheny County
US 30 Business - SR 3070 Chester County
US 40 Business - SR 2040 Fayette County
US 202 Business - SR 2202 in Montgomery County and SR 4202 in Bucks County
US 219 Business - SR 2047 Somerset County
US 220 Business - SR 4009 Bedford County, SR 1001 and SR 3013 Blair County
US 222 Business - SR 3222 and SR 2005 Berks County
US 322 Business - SR 2003 and SR 3072 in Chester County, SR 3014 Centre County
US 422 Business - combination of SR 3422, SR 2008, SR 2010, SR 2021, SR 2054 in Berks County, SR 4422 in Indiana County, SR 2004 and SR 4002 in Lawrence County

SR 6--- are supposed to be temporary numbers.  Business PA 309 in Luzerne County has SR 6309.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: Bitmapped on April 26, 2022, 09:07:32 PM
Business routes are usually numbered with a 3 or a 6 for the first digit, followed by the three digits of the parent route. (The "60" in the aforementioned SR 3160 is because I-376 here used to be PA 60 until 2009, but I don't know why the 1 is there.) US 6N, PA's only suffixed route, is internally numbered in a similar way: SR 3006.

That's not necessarily true; business routes starting with a 3 or 6.  There is no consistency.  Some times they are just regular quadrant routes numbers.

SR 6--- are supposed to be temporary numbers.  Business PA 309 in Luzerne County has SR 6309.

I think the SR 3xxx cases are just that the routes happened to be in that quadrant of the county. Hence, the other Businesses cases with other quadrant route numbers. In some cases, it looks like PennDOT tried being cute by including the 3 digits of the traffic route part in the number.

US 6N being Erie SR 3006 seems like it is actually a coincidence with it fitting in where that number would be with the grid. PennDOT numbers even SR numbers as east-west, starting at one end of the county and moving in sequentially.

SR 6xxx are listed as being for "relocated traffic routes" in PennDOT's LRS documentation, not necessarily temporary numbers. Business PA 309 being SR 6309 would make sense assuming that it was previously PA 309. Same with the Business US 6 examples. In some other cases of recently relocated routes that I can think of, they got quadrant routes numbers rather than 6xxx.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 27, 2022, 12:52:08 AM
Business routes are usually numbered with a 3 or a 6 for the first digit, followed by the three digits of the parent route. (The "60" in the aforementioned SR 3160 is because I-376 here used to be PA 60 until 2009, but I don't know why the 1 is there.) US 6N, PA's only suffixed route, is internally numbered in a similar way: SR 3006.

That's not necessarily true; business routes starting with a 3 or 6.  There is no consistency.  Some times they are just regular quadrant routes numbers. Other times the US route number is embedded.
US 1 Business - SR 2037 Bucks County
US 6 Business - SR 6006 Lackawanna County and SR 6006 Warren County
US 15 Business - SR 2005 Tioga County and SR 3001 Adams County
US 22 Business - SR 3002 Mifflin County and SR 2048 Allegheny County
US 30 Business - SR 3070 Chester County
US 40 Business - SR 2040 Fayette County
US 202 Business - SR 2202 in Montgomery County and SR 4202 in Bucks County
US 219 Business - SR 2047 Somerset County
US 220 Business - SR 4009 Bedford County, SR 1001 and SR 3013 Blair County
US 222 Business - SR 3222 and SR 2005 Berks County
US 322 Business - SR 2003 and SR 3072 in Chester County, SR 3014 Centre County
US 422 Business - combination of SR 3422, SR 2008, SR 2010, SR 2021, SR 2054 in Berks County, SR 4422 in Indiana County, SR 2004 and SR 4002 in Lawrence County

SR 6--- are supposed to be temporary numbers.  Business PA 309 in Luzerne County has SR 6309.

Here's another one (since this is an AASHTO approved route):
US 19 Truck - SR 4003 (McKnight Road part) in Allegheny County.
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 01, 2022, 02:31:49 PM
(For PA 21 and PA 166)  PennDOT - District 12 News: Route 21 Traffic Restrictions and Route 166 Closure (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1766)

PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 2094 Jerome Street Bridge Westbound Detour Resumes Monday in McKeesport (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5768)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 06, 2022, 11:17:04 AM
(For PA 981)  PennDOT - District 12 News: Route 981 Nighttime Road Closure (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1779)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 09, 2022, 09:15:21 AM
(For PA 28)  PennDOT - District 11 News: Northbound Route 28 Ramp to Delafield Avenue Long-term Closure Begins Wednesday in Allegheny County (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5790)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 13, 2022, 12:23:08 AM
PennDOT - District 11 News: Freedom Road Upgrade Project Final Phase Continues Monday in Beaver County (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/RegionalOffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5796)

(For I-70)  PennDOT - District 12 News: Interstate 70 Traffic Pattern Changes (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-12/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1781)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 17, 2022, 02:41:28 PM
There is a rendering of the planned roundabout on SR 2004 (Freedom Rd) at PA 989 on YouTube.  Honestly, the whole Freedom Rd corridor from PA 65 to US 19 could become an extended PA 228 if it was desired.

Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 18, 2022, 03:46:38 PM
PennDOT - District 11 News: Northbound Route 2114 McKeesport-Duquesne Bridge Weekend Closure May 20-23 (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/RegionalOffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5812)

(For PA 837)  PennDOT - District 11 News: Southbound Route 837 East Carson Street Weekend Closure in Pittsburgh (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/RegionalOffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5813)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 19, 2022, 08:59:50 AM
(Related to PA 51) PennDOT - District 11 News:  Sewickley Bridge Ramp to Northbound Route 51 Closure this Weekend in Moon (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5814)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 23, 2022, 05:16:20 PM
(For PA 28)  PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 28 Off-ramps to Freeport Road Reopened in Sharpsburg (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5825)
Title: Re: SW Pennsylvania
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 24, 2022, 02:49:59 PM
(For PA 978)  PennDOT - District 11 News: Route 978 Battle Ridge Road Slide Repair Begins Wednesday in South Fayette (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/regionaloffices/district-11/pages/details.aspx?newsid=5827)