and here's the proof. This shows that if you get off the interstates, you can see some interesting scenery. Even some stretches of interstate in the state has interesting scenery as well...
https://youtu.be/eyA8zXxOiis
Perhaps the best way you can prove that Illinois is not flat is to make a video in Shawnee National Forest and the surrounding "Illinois Ozarks" in far southern Illinois (which, despite its nickname, is not part of the Ozark Plateau).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a44JX4wdC8
Illinois isn't flat, and I can attest to this while losing traction on a few overpass approaches on I-57 South once it got too cold for road salt to work.
Quote from: Road Hog on July 31, 2021, 02:29:43 AM
Illinois isn't flat, and I can attest to this while losing traction on a few overpass approaches on I-57 South once it got too cold for road salt to work.
So, bridge approaches makes a state not flat?
Am I missing something? That road seemed pretty flat to me.
Illinois interstates except I 24 are flat & boring as are most interstates . There are exceptions of course I 70 w of Denver, I 80 over Donner Pass, West Virginia, I 81 Virginia is nice if it wasnt so damn busy, I 68 is nice if u arent dragging 40,000 lbs up the mtns.
Quote from: allniter89 on July 31, 2021, 02:13:48 PM
Illinois interstates except I 24 are flat & boring as are most interstates . There are exceptions of course I 70 w of Denver, I 80 over Donner Pass, West Virginia, I 81 Virginia is nice if it wasnt so damn busy, I 68 is nice if u arent dragging 40,000 lbs up the mtns.
Many interstates in the west are not flat.
Quote from: Rothman on July 31, 2021, 11:29:30 AM
Quote from: Road Hog on July 31, 2021, 02:29:43 AM
Illinois isn't flat, and I can attest to this while losing traction on a few overpass approaches on I-57 South once it got too cold for road salt to work.
So, bridge approaches makes a state not flat?
Old joke ( to me at least). Illinois has hills: they call them "off ramps" (or grade separations) ;)
Parts of far southern Illinois are hillier than adjacent areas of western Kentucky.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 31, 2021, 01:19:00 PM
Am I missing something? That road seemed pretty flat to me.
The wide angle lens of the dashcam makes things flatter than they really are. The other direction on that road is more interesting as there are signs warning of a 4% grade.
Quote from: allniter89 on July 31, 2021, 02:13:48 PM
Illinois interstates except I 24 are flat & boring as are most interstates . There are exceptions of course I 70 w of Denver, I 80 over Donner Pass, West Virginia, I 81 Virginia is nice if it wasnt so damn busy, I 68 is nice if u arent dragging 40,000 lbs up the mtns.
Wrong. Not I55 through Macoupin and Madison Counties and even through Springfield. I57 from Effingham onward after peotone, I72 through the Quincy area. I355 through will and southern Dupage County (upcoming video), pretty much all of I70 is hilly or gently rolling. There's alot.
Some of the Interstates around downtown Chicago at interesting because of the urban scenery. I always though I-180 was weird enough to justify seeing, but it isn't exactly "scenic." In terms of natural scenery Illinois is pretty much like the other Midwest States in that there isn't a ton to see in terms of interesting terrain variance. But I feel like that is something a lot of say about Interstates in general with maybe a half dozen well known exceptions nation wide.
Also, as a former Illinois resident I can attest to the fact that State is one of the flattest in the nation.
Yes it is.
Chris - A proud Coloradan.
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 01, 2021, 10:20:46 AM
Yes it is.
Chris - A proud Coloradan.
Anything is flat compared to that.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the northwest corner of Illinois yet, the good ol' Driftless Area. Jo Daviess and Stephenson Counties are very much not flat. I haven't been to the far south of Illinois so I can't say how they compare though.
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Yes it is.
Chris - A proud Coloradan.
Anything is flat compared to that.
Clearly someone hasn't spent much time east of I-25 in that state...
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Quote from: jayhawkco on August 01, 2021, 10:20:46 AM
Yes it is.
Chris - A proud Coloradan.
Anything is flat compared to that.
Clearly someone hasn't spent much time east of I-25 in that state...
I almost find the flat part of Colorado to be more interesting given how many weird largely derelict railroad towns are lurking out there east of the Rockies.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 01, 2021, 04:19:20 PM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the northwest corner of Illinois yet, the good ol' Driftless Area. Jo Daviess and Stephenson Counties are very much not flat. I haven't been to the far south of Illinois so I can't say how they compare though.
Stagecoach Trail east of Galena is a nice squiggly road for motorcycles and sports cars.
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Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 01, 2021, 04:19:20 PM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the northwest corner of Illinois yet, the good ol' Driftless Area. Jo Daviess and Stephenson Counties are very much not flat. I haven't been to the far south of Illinois so I can't say how they compare though.
Stagecoach Trail east of Galena is a nice squiggly road for motorcycles and sports cars.
I take that road from US-20 to IL-78 in Warren on my way to university. It's a great little road and also acts as
*gasp* a Hypotenuse.
Quote from: US 89 on August 01, 2021, 04:21:29 PM
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Yes it is.
Chris - A proud Coloradan.
Anything is flat compared to that.
Clearly someone hasn't spent much time east of I-25 in that state...
I've clinched the state. My opinion stands. Even eastern Colorado is hillier than Illinois.
Chris
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Yes it is.
Chris - A proud Coloradan.
Anything is flat compared to that.
Ever been to Arkansas? ;)
Now that's a state which can subvert geographic expectations. Same thing with parts of Oklahoma.
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Yes it is.
Chris - A proud Coloradan.
Anything is flat compared to that.
Ever been to Arkansas? ;)
Now that's a state which can subvert geographic expectations. Same thing with parts of Oklahoma.
Never been there but from some videos I've seen, it does have some flat portions as well. Especially along I55.
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Yes it is.
Chris - A proud Coloradan.
Anything is flat compared to that.
Ever been to Arkansas? ;)
Now that's a state which can subvert geographic expectations. Same thing with parts of Oklahoma.
Never been there but from some videos I've seen, it does have some flat portions as well. Especially along I55.
I've been across Arkansas twice - once on I-40 and once on US 63. The western half of the state offers a surprising amount of terrain variation, and I-40 could even be considered scenic on many portions west of Little Rock. But anything east of US 67 is quite boring and flat - in my opinion worse than the stereotypically boring places like Nebraska and Iowa.
Why would I think Illinois was flat? I used to live in the southern part of the state.
Oh, wait, I forgot. People in Chicago think the rest of the state doesn't exist, so they assume we must think that too.
https://goo.gl/maps/5a3fyMGAxXFRTR2b8
https://goo.gl/maps/UP9BZHqCmoXoiV42A
https://goo.gl/maps/W4nYR9jAu7ZzhhKS7
https://goo.gl/maps/j8gtKcz2hqVLJfWMA
https://goo.gl/maps/dS18P2TCdb1pdE6k6
https://goo.gl/maps/G7PULpCNtiGeCEGR8
Quote from: kphoger on August 02, 2021, 03:22:17 PM
Oh, wait, I forgot. People in Chicago think the rest of the state doesn't exist, so they assume we must think that too.
This is a very real phenomenon. I was recently in Chicago visiting my cousin (who currently goes to Northwestern) and met some of her friends from there. I asked what Illinois was like outside of Chicago and was unable to get a description of anywhere in the state farther than Will County.
Quote from: US 89 on August 02, 2021, 07:16:02 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 02, 2021, 03:22:17 PM
Oh, wait, I forgot. People in Chicago think the rest of the state doesn't exist, so they assume we must think that too.
This is a very real phenomenon. I was recently in Chicago visiting my cousin (who currently goes to Northwestern) and met some of her friends from there. I asked what Illinois was like outside of Chicago and was unable to get a description of anywhere in the state farther than Will County.
Yeah. To Chicagoans, the next thing west of Aurora is ... Iowa.
In the southern direction, Peotone is the edge of civilization. Just past the edge, actually. Somewhere vaguely south (and maybe kind of west? who knows?) is Springfield–which is important for mythical reasons but to which nobody ever has any real reason to actually travel. South of Springfield is ... ummm, probably more corn ... or something. And wow, that's the first time they've ever even thought about what exists beyond the reach of Metra.
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Quote from: kphoger on August 02, 2021, 03:22:17 PM
Oh, wait, I forgot. People in Chicago think the rest of the state doesn't exist, so they assume we must think that too.
This is a very real phenomenon. I was recently in Chicago visiting my cousin (who currently goes to Northwestern) and met some of her friends from there. I asked what Illinois was like outside of Chicago and was unable to get a description of anywhere in the state farther than Will County.
I've often wondered where else that phenomenon exists besides Chicago and New York City.
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Quote from: US 89 on August 02, 2021, 07:16:02 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 02, 2021, 03:22:17 PM
Oh, wait, I forgot. People in Chicago think the rest of the state doesn't exist, so they assume we must think that too.
This is a very real phenomenon. I was recently in Chicago visiting my cousin (who currently goes to Northwestern) and met some of her friends from there. I asked what Illinois was like outside of Chicago and was unable to get a description of anywhere in the state farther than Will County.
I've often wondered where else that phenomenon exists besides Chicago and New York City.
California with the three big cities versus the rest of the State. Phoenix certainly doesn't give most the perception that a giant pine forest is a 90 minute drive away.
There are a few "prairie pimples" down "Cham-bana" way.
I remember in high school one of our teachers was from southern Illinois. One day he showed some pictures of where he was from and I spotted a hill in one. Immediately I blurted out, "Is that a hill? He said, "Yes there are hills in that part of the state. I was flabbergasted. While there was the internet then, you didn't use it to find out if southern Illinois was hilly or not.
There is a reason why Wisconsinites call people from Illinois "flatlanders", among other things.
Quote from: tchafe1978 on August 02, 2021, 11:55:09 PM
There is a reason why Wisconsinites call people from Illinois "flatlanders", among other things.
Yet Wisconsinites are in various parts of Illinois on the regular to know that is false. The only land in IL that I've seen that is truly flat is I57 around Tuscola and I55 between Dwight and Gardner.
We all do in fact realize that this thread has literally become about whether a state with a peak elevation of just over 1,200 feet is flat or not? That's not exactly the most exciting topic in the world in terms of geographic variance.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 03, 2021, 07:41:05 AM
We all do in fact realize that this thread has literally become about whether a state with a peak elevation of just over 1,200 feet is flat or not? That's not exactly the most exciting topic in the world in terms of geographic variance.
And yet, the passion for the discussion is unmatched, as those who believe Illinois not to be flat think being perceived as flat is a knock against the state.
It's amusing.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 03, 2021, 07:41:05 AM
We all do in fact realize that this thread has literally become about whether a state with a peak elevation of just over 1,200 feet is flat or not? That's not exactly the most exciting topic in the world in terms of geographic variance.
Peak elevation isn't really a good measure of how hilly a state is.
For example...
TX's highest peak: 8751 feet
AR's highest peak: 2753 feet
Quote from: kphoger on August 03, 2021, 10:35:04 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 03, 2021, 07:41:05 AM
We all do in fact realize that this thread has literally become about whether a state with a peak elevation of just over 1,200 feet is flat or not? That's not exactly the most exciting topic in the world in terms of geographic variance.
Peak elevation isn't really a good measure of how hilly a state is.
For example...
TX's highest peak: 8751 feet
AR's highest peak: 2753 feet
Conversely hilly isn't exactly what most would associate as a large terrain variance. Michigan (the state I grew up in) has a significant amount of hills on both peninsulas. Nobody I knew was under the mistaken perception that Michigan wasn't among the flatter states.
I mentioned my thoughts above on the popular/untrue perception Arkansas doesn't have mountains. Texas for the most part isn't very exciting terrain wise until you get west of San Antonio.
Relax, I lived in Southern Florida for 25 years; I don't make a habit out of calling any other place with even the slightest hill "flat", other than obvious places like coastal plains. Definitely Louisiana, south of the I-10 and I-12 corridors, as well. After that, I'm not throwing too many stones at glass houses.
Illinois' southernmost counties are generally quite flat (anywhere close to a major river's flood plain, that's to be expected) though there's still some hills in coal country.
Quote from: formulanone on August 03, 2021, 11:45:05 AM
Relax, I lived in Southern Florida for 25 years; I don't make a habit out of calling any other place with even the slightest hill "flat", other than obvious places like coastal plains. Definitely Louisiana, south of the I-10 and I-12 corridors, as well. After that, I'm not throwing too many stones at glass houses.
Illinois' southernmost counties are generally quite flat (anywhere close to a major river's flood plain, that's to be expected) though there's still some hills in coal country.
Amusingly the Brooksville Ridge, Orange Island and Ocala Plateau do have some interesting terrain variance on the Florida Peninsula. Pasco County Route 41 is even has huge drops (relatively speaking in Florida terms) in elevation approaching Dad City. Nonetheless, Florida might be near the top of the flat state list.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 03, 2021, 11:57:35 AM
Pasco County Route 41 is even has huge drops (relatively speaking in Florida terms) in elevation approaching Dad City.
(Bolding mine)
Do you have to wear khakis, polo shirts, and New Balance sneakers there? :)
Chris
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 03, 2021, 12:17:56 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 03, 2021, 11:57:35 AM
Pasco County Route 41 is even has huge drops (relatively speaking in Florida terms) in elevation approaching Dad City.
(Bolding mine)
Do you have to wear khakis, polo shirts, and New Balance sneakers there? :)
Chris
Just for work.
Yeah, central Florida has a few unexpected hills around the Lake Wales Ridge and some sections of the Panhandle/North Central area aren't typically flat, but you'll rarely see hills off into the distance.
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Quote from: jayhawkco on August 03, 2021, 12:17:56 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 03, 2021, 11:57:35 AM
Pasco County Route 41 is even has huge drops (relatively speaking in Florida terms) in elevation approaching Dad City.
(Bolding mine)
Do you have to wear khakis, polo shirts, and New Balance sneakers there? :)
Chris
Perils of typing things on the iPhone while getting dressed for work, I meant "Dade City." . Dad City isn't too far the north and is more popularly referred to as the "The Villages." The stereotypes you describe are true and then some with Dad City.
I find more people amazed that Arkansas has flat parts than those amazed that it has mountains. In fact the state's basically half and half.
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That is some sweet, sweet irony right there.
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You are a mod here?
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You are a mod here?
Done as a joke I'm sure.
Chris
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I thought purple text from non-mods was strictly prohibited unless color itself was the topic of discussion.
Quote from: 1 on August 04, 2021, 01:20:31 PM
I thought purple text from non-mods was strictly prohibited unless color itself was the topic of discussion.
Not that I'm aware of. The forum guidelines don't include the word 'purple' anywhere in them, so far as I know.
They actually say, "When formatting is used, it should be done for a reason, not simply to make your posts stand out." In this case, perhaps "done as a joke" counts as "a reason".
Ethanman was banned for using purple text, so I would stay far away from it.
I've used purple text in one thread: in this post (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14716.msg2041901#msg2041901) and one of the posts earlier in the thread.
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I've used purple text in one thread: in this post (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14716.msg2041901#msg2041901) and one of the posts earlier in the thread.
That's a different senario.
Quote from: 1 on August 04, 2021, 01:20:31 PM
I thought purple text from non-mods was strictly prohibited unless color itself was the topic of discussion.
It isn't set in stone, just as a prerogative. It's a "courtesy" to not post in purple unless you're a mad. Just don't post in white. ;)
Quote from: US71 on August 04, 2021, 03:07:25 PM
;)
Until I quoted you just now, I thought the winky-face meant you made your typo on purpose. Now I see that's not what you were winking at.
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;)
Until I quoted you just now, I thought the winky-face meant you made your typo on purpose. Now I see that's not what you were winking at.
qui moi ?
Quote from: US71 on August 04, 2021, 03:07:25 PM
It's a "courtesy" to not post in purple unless you're a mad.
Generally, if you see purple text, it's because you got in trouble–i.e., daddy got mad at you.
Quote from: kphoger on August 04, 2021, 01:29:34 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 04, 2021, 01:20:31 PM
I thought purple text from non-mods was strictly prohibited unless color itself was the topic of discussion.
Not that I'm aware of. The forum guidelines don't include the word 'purple' anywhere in them, so far as I know.
I've been "corrected" for doing that previously. I'm not sure what the big deal was with that, but I've made sure not to do it again ... I just don't want to piss off the people in charge, so modifying the text for me is a no-no.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 04, 2021, 01:15:06 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 03, 2021, 12:37:02 PM
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You are a mod here?
That was a joke. Should have been obvious I think.
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You are a mod here?
That was a joke. Should have been obvious I think.
It doesn't help the person who replied to you also tends to be incredibly literal.
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If non-mods can't use purple text then that option should be taken away from the "post reply" screen, or explicitly stated in the rules . . .
Quote from: kphoger on August 02, 2021, 03:22:17 PM
Why would I think Illinois was flat? I used to live in the southern part of the state.
Oh, wait, I forgot. People in Chicago think the rest of the state doesn't exist, so they assume we must think that too.
https://goo.gl/maps/5a3fyMGAxXFRTR2b8
https://goo.gl/maps/UP9BZHqCmoXoiV42A
https://goo.gl/maps/W4nYR9jAu7ZzhhKS7
https://goo.gl/maps/j8gtKcz2hqVLJfWMA
https://goo.gl/maps/dS18P2TCdb1pdE6k6
https://goo.gl/maps/G7PULpCNtiGeCEGR8
Not all of us think that way
Quote from: thspfc on August 05, 2021, 09:13:35 AM
If non-mods can't use purple text then that option should be taken away from the "post reply" screen, or explicitly stated in the rules . . .
It can't be taken away; you can always specify a hex code even if there's no purple on the drop-down menu.
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Quote from: thspfc on August 03, 2021, 12:37:02 PM
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You are a mod here?
That was a joke. Should have been obvious I think.
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Plus the clause "misinformation is not allowed on the forum" is plainly incorrect, as kernals12 and HighwayStar, as well as one other poster I won't name who posts videos, constantly post misinformation yet escape any form of sanction. :hmm:
Edited to add:
BTW, here was a post where a moderator admonished ethanman62187 for using purple text. At the time, he had not yet started "threatening" to ban people, but some time after this he used purple text multiple times to tell people they would be banned for various things. I think that was when the moderators banned him.
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I just discovered this. (http://www.sporcle.com/games/ethanman62187/28-freeway-interchanges)
(In case it's not clear, that sentence is a link.)
I do not know what you are talking about. Thus this is for something that I made up at that website.
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So am I on ban watch? :-D
On a serious note though, it should be obvious that I was joking because if the mods instantly removed or censored everything that they deemed misinformation, the forum would crumble to pieces because there would be no actual discussion.
Quote from: thspfc on August 05, 2021, 09:26:26 AM
On a serious note though, it should be obvious that I was joking because if the mods instantly removed or censored everything that they deemed misinformation, the forum would crumble to pieces because there would be no actual discussion.
It doesn't help that the term "misinformation" has come to mean, in popular usage, "anything with which certain people don't agree."
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Why would I think Illinois was flat? I used to live in the southern part of the state.
Oh, wait, I forgot. People in Chicago think the rest of the state doesn't exist, so they assume we must think that too.
https://goo.gl/maps/5a3fyMGAxXFRTR2b8
https://goo.gl/maps/UP9BZHqCmoXoiV42A
https://goo.gl/maps/W4nYR9jAu7ZzhhKS7
https://goo.gl/maps/j8gtKcz2hqVLJfWMA
https://goo.gl/maps/dS18P2TCdb1pdE6k6
https://goo.gl/maps/G7PULpCNtiGeCEGR8
Not all of us think that way
Ha! Well, no. I didn't think that way either, back when I lived there. Sometimes language is used in a non-literal way...
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So am I on ban watch? :-D
No. You are on Bay Watch, though.
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Quote from: thspfc on August 05, 2021, 09:26:26 AM
On a serious note though, it should be obvious that I was joking because if the mods instantly removed or censored everything that they deemed misinformation, the forum would crumble to pieces because there would be no actual discussion.
It doesn't help that the term "misinformation" has come to mean, in popular usage, "anything with which certain people don't agree."
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Use of purple text by non-mods is highly discouraged.
I guess that served once for some tropes. https://allthetropes.org/wiki/The_Mountains_of_Illinois
The area of Chesnut Mountain desserve to be more well known but on the other hand, it will be overcrowded with tourists. Talk about being stuck between a rock and an hard place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BSf2hTiuK4
There's also a video about Charles Mound, the highest point in Illinois.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIAuzRxwtIc
Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 06, 2021, 06:13:27 PM
Use of purple text by non-mods is highly discouraged.
We need to ban orange, too. ;)
I am surprised nobody is talking about the NW part of the state. Take Hwy 20 west of Freeport you will be surprised. You will think you were in West Virginia or Pennsylvania. In fact there is even a place where the EB and WB are far apart you can't see one from the other.
Quote from: dvferyance on August 07, 2021, 07:00:02 PM
I am surprised nobody is talking about the NW part of the state. Take Hwy 20 west of Freeport you will be surprised. You will think you were in West Virginia or Pennsylvania. In fact there is even a place where the EB and WB are far apart you can't see one from the other.
I'm aware of Northwest Illinois and the hilly terrain. Nonetheless I still stand by my statement that Illinois is one of the flattest states. I would certainly agree with the notion that Illinois isn't "the flattest" state. In fact out of the states I've lived in I would rank Florida as more flat than Illinois. I think the juxtaposition for this thread is due to the OP recently rebranding the name of his YouTube Channel from "Crash_It" to "Let's Ride Illinois." Suffice to say I think the OP might have actually listened to some of the "input" a couple forum members had regarding his video content. I know that I would be more inclined to view road content that promoted attributes about a state that doesn't get much attention outside Chicago (if that is where the OP is going with things).
Far northwestern Illinois is part of the Driftless Area that includes southwest Wisconsin, northeast Iowa, and southeast Minnesota. Illinois has the smallest chunk of it though.
I'd say that in terms of the total amount of flat land, Illinois ranks behind only Texas, Kansas, Nebraska, Minnesota, and the Dakotas. In terms of "flatness" , I'm guessing that only Florida, Delaware, and Texas rank above Illinois.
Quote from: thspfc on August 07, 2021, 10:49:00 PM
I'd say that in terms of the total amount of flat land, Illinois ranks behind only Texas, Kansas, Nebraska, and the Dakotas. In terms of "flatness" , I'm guessing that only Florida, Delaware, and Texas rank above Illinois.
I see your guesses and value them as such. Illinois is flat.
Quote from: kphoger on August 04, 2021, 01:29:34 PM
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I thought purple text from non-mods was strictly prohibited unless color itself was the topic of discussion.
Not that I'm aware of. The forum guidelines don't include the word 'purple' anywhere in them, so far as I know.
Quote from: thspfc on August 05, 2021, 09:13:35 AM
If non-mods can't use purple text then that option should be taken away from the "post reply" screen, or explicitly stated in the rules . . .
It's not explicitly listed in the rules for a few reasons: we don't have the technical ability to limit the formatting options available in the post edit box, we also don't have the ability to add a "don't use this" disclaimer in the box, we're now up to 30 rules so we're not really keen on adding more unless it becomes a major problem (the list is already long enough I fear people don't bother reading the whole thing), and sometimes there might be a legitimate reason for a non-staff-member to use purple text (e.g. to help color-code the legend to a map in one of their posts that includes a purple line).
That being said, clearly the convention of purple text denoting moderator action is well-recognized among the community, so it shouldn't be used in contexts where it might actually be mistaken for moderator action. To use an analogy, you're allowed to buy red and blue lightbulbs to put on your Christmas tree. You just can't put them on the roof of your car.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 08, 2021, 01:33:22 AM
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I thought purple text from non-mods was strictly prohibited unless color itself was the topic of discussion.
Not that I'm aware of. The forum guidelines don't include the word 'purple' anywhere in them, so far as I know.
Quote from: thspfc on August 05, 2021, 09:13:35 AM
If non-mods can't use purple text then that option should be taken away from the "post reply" screen, or explicitly stated in the rules . . .
It's not explicitly listed in the rules for a few reasons: we don't have the technical ability to limit the formatting options available in the post edit box, we also don't have the ability to add a "don't use this" disclaimer in the box, we're now up to 30 rules so we're not really keen on adding more unless it becomes a major problem (the list is already long enough I fear people don't bother reading the whole thing), and sometimes there might be a legitimate reason for a non-staff-member to use purple text (e.g. to help color-code the legend to a map in one of their posts that includes a purple line).
That being said, clearly the convention of purple text denoting moderator action is well-recognized among the community, so it shouldn't be used in contexts where it might actually be mistaken for moderator action. To use an analogy, you're allowed to buy red and blue lightbulbs to put on your Christmas tree. You just can't put them on the roof of your car.
Some people just like pushing limits and buttons. They want everything stated as a rule. What you can do...what you can't do. Many people want lesser restrictions and rules, and yet instantly get pissed that there wasn't an explicit permission or ban on something when they're called out on obvious misbehavior.
See also: Common sense is no longer common.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 08, 2021, 10:30:38 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 08, 2021, 01:33:22 AM
Quote from: kphoger on August 04, 2021, 01:29:34 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 04, 2021, 01:20:31 PM
I thought purple text from non-mods was strictly prohibited unless color itself was the topic of discussion.
Not that I'm aware of. The forum guidelines don't include the word 'purple' anywhere in them, so far as I know.
Quote from: thspfc on August 05, 2021, 09:13:35 AM
If non-mods can't use purple text then that option should be taken away from the "post reply" screen, or explicitly stated in the rules . . .
It's not explicitly listed in the rules for a few reasons: we don't have the technical ability to limit the formatting options available in the post edit box, we also don't have the ability to add a "don't use this" disclaimer in the box, we're now up to 30 rules so we're not really keen on adding more unless it becomes a major problem (the list is already long enough I fear people don't bother reading the whole thing), and sometimes there might be a legitimate reason for a non-staff-member to use purple text (e.g. to help color-code the legend to a map in one of their posts that includes a purple line).
That being said, clearly the convention of purple text denoting moderator action is well-recognized among the community, so it shouldn't be used in contexts where it might actually be mistaken for moderator action. To use an analogy, you're allowed to buy red and blue lightbulbs to put on your Christmas tree. You just can't put them on the roof of your car.
Some people just like pushing limits and buttons. They want everything stated as a rule. What you can do...what you can't do. Many people want lesser restrictions and rules, and yet instantly get pissed that there wasn't an explicit permission or ban on something when they're called out on obvious misbehavior.
See also: Common sense is no longer common.
Interesting. Couldn't be me though. :-D
Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 01, 2021, 04:19:20 PM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the northwest corner of Illinois yet, the good ol' Driftless Area. Jo Daviess and Stephenson Counties are very much not flat.
Quote from: JREwing78 on August 01, 2021, 04:52:54 PM
Stagecoach Trail east of Galena is a nice squiggly road for motorcycles and sports cars.
Quote from: kphoger on August 02, 2021, 03:22:17 PM
https://goo.gl/maps/j8gtKcz2hqVLJfWMA
https://goo.gl/maps/dS18P2TCdb1pdE6k6
https://goo.gl/maps/G7PULpCNtiGeCEGR8
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on August 06, 2021, 09:15:07 PM
The area of Chesnut Mountain desserve to be more well known but on the other hand, it will be overcrowded with tourists. Talk about being stuck between a rock and an hard place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BSf2hTiuK4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BSf2hTiuK4)
There's also a video about Charles Mound, the highest point in Illinois.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIAuzRxwtIc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIAuzRxwtIc)
Quote from: dvferyance on August 07, 2021, 07:00:02 PM
I am surprised nobody is talking about the NW part of the state.
We aren't?
Quote from: Rothman on August 07, 2021, 11:13:37 PM
I see your guesses and value them as such. Illinois is flat.
The highest point in Illinois is only 955 feet above the lowest point. There are cities in Arizona with more elevation change. Florida is flatter and there are states with less elevation change than Illinois (Delaware and Rhode Island come immediately to mind) but they are much smaller than Illinois.
There's little more boring than the drive on I-55 between East St. Louis and about Joliet. Why? Illinois is flat.
Quote from: Konza on August 09, 2021, 03:11:36 PM
There's little more boring than the drive on I-55 between East St. Louis and about Joliet. Why? Illinois is flat.
By that reasoning, the Sand Hills don't exist in Nebraska because I-80 is boringly flat.
Quote from: kphoger on August 09, 2021, 03:21:58 PM
Quote from: Konza on August 09, 2021, 03:11:36 PM
There's little more boring than the drive on I-55 between East St. Louis and about Joliet. Why? Illinois is flat.
By that reasoning, the Sand Hills don't exist in Nebraska because I-80 is boringly flat.
Nebraska is flat.
Had that one coming, didn't I?
Are we seriously going to do the flat debate again? Yes, there are areas in Illinois that are not flat. I am aware of that, so there's no need for kphoger to link us to a state route in the middle of nowhere with a 500 VPD count. :-D But Illinois is really, really flat. So is Nebraska.
This is really, really flat: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8343161,-89.0362425,3a,75y,182.55h,92.93t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s3IZORcw--TGa77IOZSCqQw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D3IZORcw--TGa77IOZSCqQw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D242.38774%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
This is regularly flat:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1130969,-102.7077341,3a,56.7y,89.87h,88.86t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1smfxPewGztSDyXBiAQzGREw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DmfxPewGztSDyXBiAQzGREw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D179.05127%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
This is somewhat flat:
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.6657092,-91.3169262,3a,54.4y,218.3h,79.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOGZidSLqWqoJ1KbFICeSNw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
This is not flat:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1142693,-79.2565931,3a,75y,115.07h,88.9t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sF1k0SN8y4cOoL2x-nfnsjA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DF1k0SN8y4cOoL2x-nfnsjA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D208.03362%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
Quote from: Konza on August 09, 2021, 03:11:36 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 07, 2021, 11:13:37 PM
I see your guesses and value them as such. Illinois is flat.
The highest point in Illinois is only 955 feet above the lowest point. There are cities in Arizona with more elevation change. Florida is flatter and there are states with less elevation change than Illinois (Delaware and Rhode Island come immediately to mind) but they are much smaller than Illinois.
There's little more boring than the drive on I-55 between East St. Louis and about Joliet. Why? Illinois is flat.
False, the only section of I55 that is truly flat is the portion from around Pontiac to Lexington. There are some hills in Logan County and the stretch through Springfield and south of it.
Quote from: Crash_It on August 09, 2021, 07:28:43 PM
Quote from: Konza on August 09, 2021, 03:11:36 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 07, 2021, 11:13:37 PM
I see your guesses and value them as such. Illinois is flat.
The highest point in Illinois is only 955 feet above the lowest point. There are cities in Arizona with more elevation change. Florida is flatter and there are states with less elevation change than Illinois (Delaware and Rhode Island come immediately to mind) but they are much smaller than Illinois.
There's little more boring than the drive on I-55 between East St. Louis and about Joliet. Why? Illinois is flat.
False, the only section of I55 that is truly flat is the portion from around Pontiac to Lexington. There are some hills in Logan County and the stretch through Springfield and south of it.
Link us to an example of a "hill" on I-55 in the places you mentioned.
Did I seriously lose a post again?
Quote from: thspfc on August 09, 2021, 07:36:38 PM
Link us to an example of a "hill" on I-55 in the places you mentioned.
Yeah, when I think of "flat" and "Illinois" in the same thought, I-55 is what immediately comes to mind.
Quote from: thspfc on August 09, 2021, 07:36:38 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on August 09, 2021, 07:28:43 PM
Quote from: Konza on August 09, 2021, 03:11:36 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 07, 2021, 11:13:37 PM
I see your guesses and value them as such. Illinois is flat.
The highest point in Illinois is only 955 feet above the lowest point. There are cities in Arizona with more elevation change. Florida is flatter and there are states with less elevation change than Illinois (Delaware and Rhode Island come immediately to mind) but they are much smaller than Illinois.
There's little more boring than the drive on I-55 between East St. Louis and about Joliet. Why? Illinois is flat.
False, the only section of I55 that is truly flat is the portion from around Pontiac to Lexington. There are some hills in Logan County and the stretch through Springfield and south of it.
Link us to an example of a "hill" on I-55 in the places you mentioned.
https://goo.gl/maps/4SSieCYmT4RbWq5a8
this stretch is pretty hilly
https://goo.gl/maps/kD3F5dQzb9oJbU1o8
as is this one
https://goo.gl/maps/HuvwPJ9rTikWRAhc7
and here:
https://goo.gl/maps/1wuJUxniJgGeEiUe8
Quote from: thspfc on August 09, 2021, 05:12:55 PM
Are we seriously going to do the flat debate again? Yes, there are areas in Illinois that are not flat. I am aware of that, so there's no need for kphoger to link us to a state route in the middle of nowhere with a 500 VPD count. :-D But Illinois is really, really flat. So is Nebraska.
This is really, really flat: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8343161,-89.0362425,3a,75y,182.55h,92.93t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s3IZORcw--TGa77IOZSCqQw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D3IZORcw--TGa77IOZSCqQw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D242.38774%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
Not a good example, travel any short amount of mileage in any direction from that area and it's not flat.
https://goo.gl/maps/Sbh7GcafdCQZXSwL6
you want flat, try 57 between Champaign and Neoga, that area is flat. The flattest stretch of road in the whole state.
On a large enough scale the whole planet would pass the tolerances for smoothness of a pool cue ball. So by cosmic scales the whole planet is flat. I don't see any Olympus Mons or Valles Marineris formations in any state.
Let's Get Flat
https://youtu.be/KiqYnJBWqaA
Quote from: Crash_It on August 09, 2021, 11:24:15 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 09, 2021, 07:36:38 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on August 09, 2021, 07:28:43 PM
Quote from: Konza on August 09, 2021, 03:11:36 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 07, 2021, 11:13:37 PM
I see your guesses and value them as such. Illinois is flat.
The highest point in Illinois is only 955 feet above the lowest point. There are cities in Arizona with more elevation change. Florida is flatter and there are states with less elevation change than Illinois (Delaware and Rhode Island come immediately to mind) but they are much smaller than Illinois.
There's little more boring than the drive on I-55 between East St. Louis and about Joliet. Why? Illinois is flat.
False, the only section of I55 that is truly flat is the portion from around Pontiac to Lexington. There are some hills in Logan County and the stretch through Springfield and south of it.
Link us to an example of a "hill" on I-55 in the places you mentioned.
https://goo.gl/maps/4SSieCYmT4RbWq5a8
this stretch is pretty hilly
https://goo.gl/maps/kD3F5dQzb9oJbU1o8
as is this one
https://goo.gl/maps/HuvwPJ9rTikWRAhc7
and here:
https://goo.gl/maps/1wuJUxniJgGeEiUe8
Quote from: Crash_It on August 09, 2021, 11:28:47 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 09, 2021, 05:12:55 PM
Are we seriously going to do the flat debate again? Yes, there are areas in Illinois that are not flat. I am aware of that, so there's no need for kphoger to link us to a state route in the middle of nowhere with a 500 VPD count. :-D But Illinois is really, really flat. So is Nebraska.
This is really, really flat: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8343161,-89.0362425,3a,75y,182.55h,92.93t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s3IZORcw--TGa77IOZSCqQw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D3IZORcw--TGa77IOZSCqQw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D242.38774%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
Not a good example, travel any short amount of mileage in any direction from that area and it's not flat.
https://goo.gl/maps/Sbh7GcafdCQZXSwL6
you want flat, try 57 between Champaign and Neoga, that area is flat. The flattest stretch of road in the whole state.
All I'm seeing in all the links is... flatness.
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 10, 2021, 01:05:27 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on August 09, 2021, 11:24:15 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 09, 2021, 07:36:38 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on August 09, 2021, 07:28:43 PM
Quote from: Konza on August 09, 2021, 03:11:36 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 07, 2021, 11:13:37 PM
I see your guesses and value them as such. Illinois is flat.
The highest point in Illinois is only 955 feet above the lowest point. There are cities in Arizona with more elevation change. Florida is flatter and there are states with less elevation change than Illinois (Delaware and Rhode Island come immediately to mind) but they are much smaller than Illinois.
There's little more boring than the drive on I-55 between East St. Louis and about Joliet. Why? Illinois is flat.
False, the only section of I55 that is truly flat is the portion from around Pontiac to Lexington. There are some hills in Logan County and the stretch through Springfield and south of it.
Link us to an example of a "hill" on I-55 in the places you mentioned.
https://goo.gl/maps/4SSieCYmT4RbWq5a8
this stretch is pretty hilly
https://goo.gl/maps/kD3F5dQzb9oJbU1o8
as is this one
https://goo.gl/maps/HuvwPJ9rTikWRAhc7
and here:
https://goo.gl/maps/1wuJUxniJgGeEiUe8
Quote from: Crash_It on August 09, 2021, 11:28:47 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 09, 2021, 05:12:55 PM
Are we seriously going to do the flat debate again? Yes, there are areas in Illinois that are not flat. I am aware of that, so there's no need for kphoger to link us to a state route in the middle of nowhere with a 500 VPD count. :-D But Illinois is really, really flat. So is Nebraska.
This is really, really flat: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8343161,-89.0362425,3a,75y,182.55h,92.93t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s3IZORcw--TGa77IOZSCqQw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D3IZORcw--TGa77IOZSCqQw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D242.38774%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
Not a good example, travel any short amount of mileage in any direction from that area and it's not flat.
https://goo.gl/maps/Sbh7GcafdCQZXSwL6
you want flat, try 57 between Champaign and Neoga, that area is flat. The flattest stretch of road in the whole state.
All I'm seeing in all the links is... flatness.
The camera doesn't do it justice but none of those areas are flat. Look at the terrain map. You can see plenty of muscle
Illinois is flat. Most of the Midwest away from the Great Lakes and Mississippi River valleys is flat. Illinois fits right in with those.
Quote from: Crash_It on August 09, 2021, 11:24:15 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 09, 2021, 07:36:38 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on August 09, 2021, 07:28:43 PM
Quote from: Konza on August 09, 2021, 03:11:36 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 07, 2021, 11:13:37 PM
I see your guesses and value them as such. Illinois is flat.
The highest point in Illinois is only 955 feet above the lowest point. There are cities in Arizona with more elevation change. Florida is flatter and there are states with less elevation change than Illinois (Delaware and Rhode Island come immediately to mind) but they are much smaller than Illinois.
There's little more boring than the drive on I-55 between East St. Louis and about Joliet. Why? Illinois is flat.
False, the only section of I55 that is truly flat is the portion from around Pontiac to Lexington. There are some hills in Logan County and the stretch through Springfield and south of it.
Link us to an example of a "hill" on I-55 in the places you mentioned.
https://goo.gl/maps/4SSieCYmT4RbWq5a8
this stretch is pretty hilly
https://goo.gl/maps/kD3F5dQzb9oJbU1o8
as is this one
https://goo.gl/maps/HuvwPJ9rTikWRAhc7
and here:
https://goo.gl/maps/1wuJUxniJgGeEiUe8
The first one has something that remotely resembles a hill off to the left of the road. The other three are just forests, not hills.
Quote from: Crash_It on August 09, 2021, 11:28:47 PM
Not a good example, travel any short amount of mileage in any direction from that area and it's not flat.
https://goo.gl/maps/Sbh7GcafdCQZXSwL6
That is flat. Not by Illinois standards, but flat nonetheless.
So it's Crash_It and kphoger who have the questionable definitions of what "flat" is. An Illinois resident and a former Illinois, now Kansas, resident. Go figure. :-D
Quote from: Crash_It on August 10, 2021, 01:20:07 AM
The camera doesn't do it justice ...
This.
I am frequently surprised by how flat GSV looks when compared to real life in the same location.
Quote from: thspfc on August 10, 2021, 08:35:05 AM
So it's Crash_It and kphoger who have the questionable definitions of what "flat" is. An Illinois resident and a former Illinois, now Kansas, resident. Go figure. :-D
Point taken. I wholeheartedly agree that
most of Illinois is flat, and that those parts of Illinois that are flat are
quite flat indeed. But I still say that southern Illinois and northwestern Illinois are hilly, and that there are small pockets of hilly terrain elsewhere. Obviously it isn't Colorado or Pennsylvania, but that should hardly be the bar for "flat" either.
And, for what it's worth, there's this whole area of Kansas called the Flint
Hills. I grew up driving roads like
this (https://goo.gl/maps/UBet11dpfVuMuoQ8A) and
this (https://goo.gl/maps/4vXBtj38HZz4yRt58) and
this (https://goo.gl/maps/oadVq387n7e5nGAu8) and
this (https://goo.gl/maps/Xm79w65btftmLsbM9). Since moving to Wichita, I've had the pleasure of driving roads like
this (https://goo.gl/maps/C6UJsVk2xEyDiLTJ8) and
this (https://goo.gl/maps/hdYsF1FTU8pZ6xH99) and
this (https://goo.gl/maps/HKYPv6YtqU2twUC1A) and
this (https://goo.gl/maps/ujMagBBWZC8699cMA) and
this (https://goo.gl/maps/afPxwQbTNrwqo2w9A). Is it mountainous? No, of course not. But there are plenty of hills in Kansas.
Maybe the problem here is that we're looking at this all wrong.
Illinois is flat because the earth itself is flat.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 10, 2021, 12:22:23 PM
Maybe the problem here is that we're looking at this all wrong.
Illinois is flat because the earth itself is flat.
Hey, don't give people the idea to look at what's beyond the Great Ice Wall. I got my COVID shot so I could be a Lizard Person with 5G Death Beams for a reason and it wasn't because I like sharing.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 10, 2021, 02:19:51 AM
Illinois is flat. Most of the Midwest away from the Great Lakes and Mississippi River valleys is flat. Illinois fits right in with those.
Says the person who is from a state that can have just as much flat stretches. I gave you an example of a part of Illinois that is truly flat. The rest of the state is not.
Quote from: Crash_It on August 10, 2021, 01:44:22 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 10, 2021, 02:19:51 AM
Illinois is flat. Most of the Midwest away from the Great Lakes and Mississippi River valleys is flat. Illinois fits right in with those.
Says the person who is from a state that can have just as much flat stretches. I gave you an example of a part of Illinois that is truly flat. The rest of the state is not.
What is the point of carrying on trying to convince everyone to see it your way? Some do, others simply never will. All this geographic arguing over Illinois of all places?
Quote from: Crash_It on August 10, 2021, 01:44:22 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 10, 2021, 02:19:51 AM
Illinois is flat. Most of the Midwest away from the Great Lakes and Mississippi River valleys is flat. Illinois fits right in with those.
Says the person who is from a state that can have just as much flat stretches. I gave you an example of a part of Illinois that is truly flat. The rest of the state is not.
Most of Illinois is flat. I'm not comfortable with that fact being grounds for a blanket statement like "Illinois is flat", but most of the state really is.
Most of Illinois
looks like this (https://goo.gl/maps/DapPV4Rz8hzeJyBB9). Most of its Interstates
look like this (https://goo.gl/maps/qnZ9GdSzmHAmrgqy7). River valleys do give rise to some gently rolling terrain
like this (https://goo.gl/maps/17WJwwrX2zsRKoYv9) or
this (https://goo.gl/maps/qfA19ik6uUSgT1jt6), but that's it for most the most part. Flat as a pancake? No. But still pretty flat.
It's much, much easier to come up with a flat spot in Illinois than it is to come up with a noticeably hilly spot.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 10, 2021, 12:22:23 PM
Maybe the problem here is that we're looking at this all wrong.
Illinois is flat because the earth itself is flat.
The Earth is round. Illinois is still flat.
In b4 lock.
Quote from: renegade on August 10, 2021, 03:13:27 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 10, 2021, 12:22:23 PM
Maybe the problem here is that we're looking at this all wrong.
Illinois is flat because the earth itself is flat.
The Earth is round. Illinois is still flat.
That would make Illinois an endorheic basin. Which would be a much more interesting assertion, I must say.
Convex if looking down on it.
Quote from: GaryV on August 10, 2021, 03:16:36 PM
Convex if looking down on it.
(I edited my post while you were typing.)
If the Earth is a flat disk then what is at the bottom of it? Is a version of Illinois that is shrouded in complete darkness never to be seen? What if someone was brave enough to dig down to Dark Illinois or climb over to the side via the Great Ice Wall? Is Dark Illinois flat also or extremely mountainous given it is on the bottom side of the Earth? How does gravity work again given that it isn't centered around spherical mass?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 10, 2021, 03:31:13 PM
If the Earth is a flat disk then what is at the bottom of it? Is a version of Illinois that is shrouded in complete darkness never to be seen? What if someone was brave enough to dig down to Dark Illinois or climb over to the side via the Great Ice Wall? Is Dark Illinois flat also or extremely mountainous given it is on the bottom side of the Earth? How does gravity work again given that it isn't centered around spherical mass?
The underside of (Dark) Illinois is very hilly–mountainous, even. It is, however, devoid of fjords.
Quote from: thspfc on August 10, 2021, 08:31:30 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on August 09, 2021, 11:24:15 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 09, 2021, 07:36:38 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on August 09, 2021, 07:28:43 PM
Quote from: Konza on August 09, 2021, 03:11:36 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 07, 2021, 11:13:37 PM
I see your guesses and value them as such. Illinois is flat.
The highest point in Illinois is only 955 feet above the lowest point. There are cities in Arizona with more elevation change. Florida is flatter and there are states with less elevation change than Illinois (Delaware and Rhode Island come immediately to mind) but they are much smaller than Illinois.
There's little more boring than the drive on I-55 between East St. Louis and about Joliet. Why? Illinois is flat.
False, the only section of I55 that is truly flat is the portion from around Pontiac to Lexington. There are some hills in Logan County and the stretch through Springfield and south of it.
Link us to an example of a "hill" on I-55 in the places you mentioned.
https://goo.gl/maps/4SSieCYmT4RbWq5a8
this stretch is pretty hilly
https://goo.gl/maps/kD3F5dQzb9oJbU1o8
as is this one
https://goo.gl/maps/HuvwPJ9rTikWRAhc7
and here:
https://goo.gl/maps/1wuJUxniJgGeEiUe8
The first one has something that remotely resembles a hill off to the left of the road. The other three are just forests, not hills.
Nope, those are hills. Terrain is more rugged in those areas.
Quote from: Crash_It on August 10, 2021, 01:44:22 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 10, 2021, 02:19:51 AM
Illinois is flat. Most of the Midwest away from the Great Lakes and Mississippi River valleys is flat. Illinois fits right in with those.
Says the person who is from a state that can have just as much flat stretches. I gave you an example of a part of Illinois that is truly flat. The rest of the state is not.
Uh...Minnesota is pretty flat. I'm not the one trying to quantify or deny how flat/non-flat my state is.
It's easier to see the hills if you switch to a wintertime GSV: https://goo.gl/maps/W7q8rWJauQZxqzQ36
Even so, "rugged" is hardly an apt description. "Gently rolling" is more accurate.
Quote from: renegade on August 10, 2021, 03:13:27 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 10, 2021, 12:22:23 PM
Maybe the problem here is that we're looking at this all wrong.
Illinois is flat because the earth itself is flat.
The Earth is round. Illinois is still flat.
In b4 lock.
I hope no one's actually taking my post seriously.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 10, 2021, 06:46:20 PM
Quote from: renegade on August 10, 2021, 03:13:27 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 10, 2021, 12:22:23 PM
Maybe the problem here is that we're looking at this all wrong.
Illinois is flat because the earth itself is flat.
The Earth is round. Illinois is still flat.
In b4 lock.
I hope no one's actually taking my post seriously.
One person definitely is.
Take Historic US 20 west from Rockford to Dubuque. That part of Illinois is not flat, just driftless.
Only part of that state that is obviously hilly: Jo Daviess County. All 101 other counties are not
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 10, 2021, 05:11:26 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on August 10, 2021, 01:44:22 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 10, 2021, 02:19:51 AM
Illinois is flat. Most of the Midwest away from the Great Lakes and Mississippi River valleys is flat. Illinois fits right in with those.
Says the person who is from a state that can have just as much flat stretches. I gave you an example of a part of Illinois that is truly flat. The rest of the state is not.
Uh...Minnesota is pretty flat. I'm not the one trying to quantify or deny how flat/non-flat my state is.
This type of ad-hominem stuff is prevalent all around the internet nowadays . . . for example, if a fan of sports team A says "sports team B stinks because x, y, and z", sports team B fans will flood the page with replies like "well sports team A stinks too so shut up". Like, it's not a competition. It should be possible to have intelligent discussion about a certain thing without a completely different matter being brought up, right?
Though Crash_It is technically right about Minnesota having more
mileage of flat roadway than Illinois, due to Minnesota being a significantly larger state. However, the average road in Illinois is flatter than the average road in Minnesota.
That's why I've been saying that Texas is, by some definitions, the flattest state in the country, because it's so huge and has so many flat roads.
Quote from: SSOWorld on August 10, 2021, 07:58:38 PM
Only part of that state that is obviously hilly: Jo Daviess County. All 101 other counties are not
Pope County (https://goo.gl/maps/Fs8UThPsu6Q3fgfB7)? (
GSV (https://goo.gl/maps/qyqCjinBqtjdwbcu6),
GSV (https://goo.gl/maps/ATcRKXspGLmDjnF48),
GSV (https://goo.gl/maps/fm319AMFoUXEXpzi7))
Union County (https://goo.gl/maps/28zNVgZDJ6yD9hd69)? (
GSV (https://goo.gl/maps/vPFN9rHybAzET8cb6),
GSV (https://goo.gl/maps/3ksLtRdzD9JJgF8H9),
GSV (https://goo.gl/maps/DdKbPwF1numtVSs56))
These are the sort of roads I used to drive every day when I lived in Herrin and had a delivery route in the area.
And there are even more striking examples if you venture off the main roads (all except one of those GSV shots are from state routes or former state routes). County roads like
this (https://goo.gl/maps/X4rJE7ejNVoXEcP19) and
this (https://goo.gl/maps/V23CPLvcmumHzHp7A) and
this (https://goo.gl/maps/rbtMHZbiGeLNZ8mf8) and
this (https://goo.gl/maps/HBsEFi3LKM64zuaG6) and
this (https://goo.gl/maps/LGV5uHgRRyMBthZR8) were generally my favorites, and I was always happy when my route allowed me to drive them.
this is getting weird
Quote from: GCrites80s on August 10, 2021, 08:54:48 PM
this is getting weird
This thread got weird from the leading post. It went downhill after that. :popcorn:
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 10, 2021, 06:58:17 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 10, 2021, 06:46:20 PM
Quote from: renegade on August 10, 2021, 03:13:27 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 10, 2021, 12:22:23 PM
Maybe the problem here is that we're looking at this all wrong.
Illinois is flat because the earth itself is flat.
The Earth is round. Illinois is still flat.
In b4 lock.
I hope no one's actually taking my post seriously.
One person definitely is.
I think I know the problem. Let me try again.
Illinois isn't flat. It's round.
Quote from: SSOWorld on August 10, 2021, 07:58:38 PM
Only part of that state that is obviously hilly: Jo Daviess County. All 101 other counties are not
McHenry County: Shown in this video
https://youtu.be/Me0XCJ5Bd-4
Not flat
Parts of Lake County:
https://youtu.be/4VCesfR7iUQ
Madison and Jersey County: https://youtu.be/9baZjaRCu0o
Cook, DuPage and Will County: https://youtu.be/rBgQ7l5D_w4
and so many other examples of areas of Illinois that are not flat.
You want flat? Try Douglas county or Grundy county. Those are the only two counties in Illinois that are truly flat.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 10, 2021, 09:32:42 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 10, 2021, 06:58:17 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 10, 2021, 06:46:20 PM
Quote from: renegade on August 10, 2021, 03:13:27 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 10, 2021, 12:22:23 PM
Maybe the problem here is that we're looking at this all wrong.
Illinois is flat because the earth itself is flat.
The Earth is round. Illinois is still flat.
In b4 lock.
I hope no one's actually taking my post seriously.
One person definitely is.
I think I know the problem. Let me try again.
Illinois isn't flat. It's round.
No, Illinois is a Hypotenuse.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 10, 2021, 09:47:31 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 10, 2021, 09:32:42 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 10, 2021, 06:58:17 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 10, 2021, 06:46:20 PM
Quote from: renegade on August 10, 2021, 03:13:27 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 10, 2021, 12:22:23 PM
Maybe the problem here is that we're looking at this all wrong.
Illinois is flat because the earth itself is flat.
The Earth is round. Illinois is still flat.
In b4 lock.
I hope no one's actually taking my post seriously.
One person definitely is.
I think I know the problem. Let me try again.
Illinois isn't flat. It's round.
No, Illinois is a Hypotenuse.
I'd argue it's more of a Breezewood.
[sarc] Yay. More Cra_shIt video. Should be making lots of money by now. [/sarc]
(for those of you who don't get sarcasm.)
Illinois is friggin' flat.
Quote from: Crash_It on August 01, 2021, 09:54:52 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 31, 2021, 01:19:00 PM
Am I missing something? That road seemed pretty flat to me.
The other direction on that road is more interesting as there are signs warning of a 4% grade.
I was just reading through this entire thread from the start, and I don't know how nobody caught this gem. A sign that warns of a 4% grade has to be the most Illinois thing ever. Most states don't post such signs unless it's 7-8%.
He's right guys, Illinois isn't flat. Here's (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7965492,-87.8111884,3a,15y,48.23h,89.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3cw0IcfEXeWjefMlkjuGmA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) a picture of a slope in Illinois. It looks vaguely triangular / pyramidical.
Is there some sort of scientific measurement that quantifies "flatness?" If so, have states been indexed and compared?
Quote from: renegade on August 10, 2021, 08:57:52 PM
Quote from: GCrites80s on August 10, 2021, 08:54:48 PM
this is getting weird
This thread got weird from the leading post. It went downhill after that. :popcorn:
Which would mean it's not flat, right?
I mean, something can be flat and at an angle...
Chris
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 11, 2021, 07:46:29 PM
I mean, something can be flat and at an angle...
Chris
The longest side of a right triangle perhaps? :hmmm:
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 11, 2021, 07:46:29 PM
I mean, something can be flat and at an angle...
Chris
Depends on the definition of flat you want to go with.
adjective Fixed; unvarying.
OR
adjective Being without slope or curvature.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 11, 2021, 08:03:44 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 11, 2021, 07:46:29 PM
I mean, something can be flat and at an angle...
Chris
Depends on the definition of flat you want to go with.
adjective Fixed; unvarying.
OR
adjective Being without slope or curvature.
I was trying to find the forum post where someone described Kansas as being at a much higher elevation in the west than the east, but I couldn't find it.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 11, 2021, 07:45:24 PM
Quote from: renegade on August 10, 2021, 08:57:52 PM
Quote from: GCrites80s on August 10, 2021, 08:54:48 PM
this is getting weird
This thread got weird from the leading post. It went downhill after that. :popcorn:
Which would mean it's not flat, right?
Depends if you count the off-ramps or grade separations :p
There should be a location with a very slight negative curvature (i.e. hyperbolic space). Area increases exponentially with radius, so you can fit trillions of people within the state if need be, or even over a googol if it's curved enough. One disadvantage, though, is that if you get lost without a map, you're going to be lost forever, as going a random direction will, on average, take you away from where you started.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 11, 2021, 07:50:48 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 11, 2021, 07:46:29 PM
I mean, something can be flat and at an angle...
Chris
The longest side of a right triangle perhaps? :hmmm:
I suppose that would be an Illinois thing.....
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 11, 2021, 08:11:11 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 11, 2021, 07:50:48 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 11, 2021, 07:46:29 PM
I mean, something can be flat and at an angle...
Chris
The longest side of a right triangle perhaps? :hmmm:
I suppose that would be an Illinois thing.....
I was halfway convinced for a time Crash and a certain lover of Diesel Sabbs were the same person.
Quote from: hbelkins on August 11, 2021, 03:56:46 PM
Is there some sort of scientific measurement that quantifies "flatness?" If so, have states been indexed and compared?
Here's an article from 2014 discussing a study comparing every states flatness. It shows Illinois as the second flattest after Florida:
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/03/science-several-us-states-led-by-florida-are-flatter-than-a-pancake/284348/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/03/science-several-us-states-led-by-florida-are-flatter-than-a-pancake/284348/)
Unfortunately this link only includes the 10 flattest states, instead of the full list.
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Not sure why anyone's denying that Illinois is flat. Obviously there are some hillier areas, but it's clearly flat on the whole. There's nothing wrong with that.
Quote from: 7/8 on August 11, 2021, 11:05:57 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 11, 2021, 03:56:46 PM
Is there some sort of scientific measurement that quantifies "flatness?" If so, have states been indexed and compared?
Here's an article from 2014 discussing a study comparing every states flatness. It shows Illinois as the second flattest after Florida:
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/03/science-several-us-states-led-by-florida-are-flatter-than-a-pancake/284348/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/03/science-several-us-states-led-by-florida-are-flatter-than-a-pancake/284348/)
Unfortunately this link only includes the 10 flattest states, instead of the full list.
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Not sure why anyone's denying that Illinois is flat. Obviously there are some hillier areas, but it's clearly flat on the whole. There's nothing wrong with that.
Full List:
1. Florida
2. Illinois
3. North Dakota
4. Louisiana
5. Minnesota
6. Delaware
7. Kansas
8. Texas
9. Nevada
10. Indiana
11. South Dakota
12. Michigan
13. New Mexico
14. Arizona
15. South Carolina
16. Oklahoma
17. New Jersey
18. Iowa
19. Nebraska
20. Ohio
21. Arkansas
22. Mississippi
23. Utah
24. California
25. Colorado
26. North Carolina
27. Rhode Island
28. Maryland
29. Wisconsin
30. Georgia
31. Missouri
32. Idaho
33. Wyoming
34. Montana
35. Oregon
36. Maine
37. Alabama
38. District of Columbia
39. New York
40. Massachusetts
41. Washington
42. Virginia
43. Tennessee
44. Connecticut
45. Vermont
46. New Hampshire
47. Kentucky
48. Pennsylvania
49. West Virginia
Alaska and Hawai'i weren't counted in the study.
Full study here. (https://www.disruptivegeo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/FlatMap_GeographicalReview_DobsonCampbell_2013Nov.pdf)
Chris
We had a discussion about Illinois's flatness in the Illinois Notes thread back in March of 2020, kicked off by this statement:
Quote from: ozarkman417 on March 04, 2020, 08:01:03 PM
Can't be too hard to have a flat interstate there, given Illinois is the second flattest state, behind Florida
This study above claims that Illinois is just that. The second flattest state in the union. It evaluates the terrain of each state (almost) by percentage, with said percentages of the land being placed accordingly in the following categories: not flat, flat, flatter, flattest. In the 'flattest' category, Illinois only ranks 3rd, behind Louisiana, because only one less percent of Illinois's land is in the 'flattest' category compared to LA. What puts Illinois above Louisiana in this study is that more of Louisiana's land is in the 'not flat' category, 3 percent more.
Quote from: renegade on August 10, 2021, 08:57:52 PM
Quote from: GCrites80s on August 10, 2021, 08:54:48 PM
this is getting weird
This thread got weird from the leading post. It went downhill after that. :popcorn:
Hard to go downhill when everything's flat...
Quote from: SSOWorld on August 10, 2021, 07:58:38 PM
Only part of that state that is obviously hilly: Jo Daviess County. All 101 other counties are not
You missed Stephenson, Winnebago, parts of Cook, Will, DuPage, LaSalle, Putnam, Carroll. Just off the top of my head ;-)
Quote from: 1 on August 11, 2021, 08:04:53 PM
I was trying to find the forum post where someone described Kansas as being at a much higher elevation in the west than the east, but I couldn't find it.
Oh, that's definitely true. (Well, the word 'much' might be going too far.) You don't notice it when driving across the state, but there's a gradual increase in elevation as you move west. I grew up two counties from the Colorado state line, and our elevation was nearly 3000 feet. Here in Wichita, it's less than half that.
Elevation of westernmost Kansas county seats3320 — St Francis
3681 — Goodland
3474 — Sharon Springs
3612 — Tribune
3232 — Syracuse
3337 — Johnson City
3589 — Elkhart
Elevation of easternmost Kansas county seats1096 — Troy
814 — Atchison
840 — Leavenworth
869 — Kansas City
1037 — Olathe
915 — Paola
873 — Mound City
846 — Fort Scott
981 — Girard
912 — Columbus
(https://geokansas.ku.edu/sites/default/files/inline-images/color-elevation-map.png)
The one thing the study linked above doesn't really take into consideration (that I wish they would have) is just HOW non-flat is something. I get that West Virginia, Pennsylvania, etc. have a lot of rolling hills, but eastern Colorado alone shouldn't make Colorado a mid-tier flat state when the areas that aren't flat REALLY aren't flat. Nevada might have been the other more surprising one to me, just because of the Sierras and then driving across the north on I-80 there are plenty of non-flat areas in the distance.
Chris
OK, did anybody not pick up on the fact that the analysis found an actual pancake to be less flat than North Dakota? Or that, even if Kansas had a mountain taller than Everest, it would still be literally flatter than a pancake?
With such findings, one must question the validity of the study as a whole. I mean, that's not even mentioning that it calls Colorado flatter than Georgia.
Quote from: kphoger on August 12, 2021, 03:17:17 PM
OK, did anybody not pick up on the fact that the analysis found an actual pancake to be less flat than North Dakota? Or that, even if Kansas had a mountain taller than Everest, it would still be literally flatter than a pancake?
With such findings, one must question the validity of the study as a whole. I mean, that's not even mentioning that it calls Colorado flatter than Georgia.
Colorado's half-flat.
Quote from: US 89 on August 02, 2021, 12:49:33 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on August 02, 2021, 12:36:38 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 02, 2021, 08:44:06 AM
Quote from: US71 on August 02, 2021, 08:37:53 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on August 01, 2021, 03:11:53 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 01, 2021, 10:20:46 AM
Yes it is.
Chris - A proud Coloradan.
Anything is flat compared to that.
Ever been to Arkansas? ;)
Now that's a state which can subvert geographic expectations. Same thing with parts of Oklahoma.
Never been there but from some videos I've seen, it does have some flat portions as well. Especially along I55.
I've been across Arkansas twice - once on I-40 and once on US 63. The western half of the state offers a surprising amount of terrain variation, and I-40 could even be considered scenic on many portions west of Little Rock. But anything east of US 67 is quite boring and flat - in my opinion worse than the stereotypically boring places like Nebraska and Iowa.
US-67/I-30/Future I-57 is a good general dividing line between the mountainous areas of Arkansas and the Timberlands/Delta regions. NW>SE for scenery for sure. Funny how the resource rich areas of pretty much anywhere turn into the poor regions eventually, and vice-versa.
I'd consider US-69 the dividing line between interesting vs. non-interesting Oklahoma, scenically.
Quote from: Rothman on August 12, 2021, 03:17:53 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 12, 2021, 03:17:17 PM
OK, did anybody not pick up on the fact that the analysis found an actual pancake to be less flat than North Dakota? Or that, even if Kansas had a mountain taller than Everest, it would still be literally flatter than a pancake?
With such findings, one must question the validity of the study as a whole. I mean, that's not even mentioning that it calls Colorado flatter than Georgia.
Colorado's half-flat.
But the other half is so
not flat, it should overcompensate for the flat part more than just some rolling hills in Alabama do. And in reality, it's not even half flat. More like 40% or so (and even out east, there are SOME spots aren't completely flat.)
Shitty GSV pic near Sterling:
(https://i.postimg.cc/fLtDwQ99/Sterling.png)
Chris
Quote from: thspfc on August 11, 2021, 01:09:23 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on August 01, 2021, 09:54:52 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 31, 2021, 01:19:00 PM
Am I missing something? That road seemed pretty flat to me.
The other direction on that road is more interesting as there are signs warning of a 4% grade.
I was just reading through this entire thread from the start, and I don't know how nobody caught this gem. A sign that warns of a 4% grade has to be the most Illinois thing ever. Most states don't post such signs unless it's 7-8%.
We have that percentage here too. If I can ever get to that road that has it, I'll film it.
Quote from: ozarkman417 on August 11, 2021, 11:31:32 PM
We had a discussion about Illinois's flatness in the Illinois Notes thread back in March of 2020, kicked off by this statement:
Quote from: ozarkman417 on March 04, 2020, 08:01:03 PM
Can't be too hard to have a flat interstate there, given Illinois is the second flattest state, behind Florida
This study above claims that Illinois is just that. The second flattest state in the union. It evaluates the terrain of each state (almost) by percentage, with said percentages of the land being placed accordingly in the following categories: not flat, flat, flatter, flattest. In the 'flattest' category, Illinois only ranks 3rd, behind Louisiana, because only one less percent of Illinois's land is in the 'flattest' category compared to LA. What puts Illinois above Louisiana in this study is that more of Louisiana's land is in the 'not flat' category, 3 percent more.
That study is BS, don't even know what they even define as flat to begin with, and Louisiana only has about a few hundred feet in variance from low point to high point. IL has nearly 1000 feet.
Quote from: Crash_It on August 12, 2021, 08:15:17 PM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on August 11, 2021, 11:31:32 PM
We had a discussion about Illinois's flatness in the Illinois Notes thread back in March of 2020, kicked off by this statement:
Quote from: ozarkman417 on March 04, 2020, 08:01:03 PM
Can't be too hard to have a flat interstate there, given Illinois is the second flattest state, behind Florida
This study above claims that Illinois is just that. The second flattest state in the union. It evaluates the terrain of each state (almost) by percentage, with said percentages of the land being placed accordingly in the following categories: not flat, flat, flatter, flattest. In the 'flattest' category, Illinois only ranks 3rd, behind Louisiana, because only one less percent of Illinois's land is in the 'flattest' category compared to LA. What puts Illinois above Louisiana in this study is that more of Louisiana's land is in the 'not flat' category, 3 percent more.
That study is BS, don't even know what they even define as flat to begin with, and Louisiana only has about a few hundred feet in variance from low point to high point. IL has nearly 1000 feet.
Please qualify why your opinion should be considered as expert testimony on geographic variance.
While we're at it, what's up all this homer-guy Illinois stuff? Is this the new brand identity or something?
Quote from: Crash_It on August 12, 2021, 08:15:17 PM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on August 11, 2021, 11:31:32 PM
We had a discussion about Illinois's flatness in the Illinois Notes thread back in March of 2020, kicked off by this statement:
Quote from: ozarkman417 on March 04, 2020, 08:01:03 PM
Can't be too hard to have a flat interstate there, given Illinois is the second flattest state, behind Florida
This study above claims that Illinois is just that. The second flattest state in the union. It evaluates the terrain of each state (almost) by percentage, with said percentages of the land being placed accordingly in the following categories: not flat, flat, flatter, flattest. In the 'flattest' category, Illinois only ranks 3rd, behind Louisiana, because only one less percent of Illinois's land is in the 'flattest' category compared to LA. What puts Illinois above Louisiana in this study is that more of Louisiana's land is in the 'not flat' category, 3 percent more.
That study is BS, don't even know what they even define as flat to begin with, and Louisiana only has about a few hundred feet in variance from low point to high point. IL has nearly 1000 feet.
Did you read the article? It explains their methodology.
Chris
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 12, 2021, 09:03:51 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on August 12, 2021, 08:15:17 PM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on August 11, 2021, 11:31:32 PM
We had a discussion about Illinois's flatness in the Illinois Notes thread back in March of 2020, kicked off by this statement:
Quote from: ozarkman417 on March 04, 2020, 08:01:03 PM
Can't be too hard to have a flat interstate there, given Illinois is the second flattest state, behind Florida
This study above claims that Illinois is just that. The second flattest state in the union. It evaluates the terrain of each state (almost) by percentage, with said percentages of the land being placed accordingly in the following categories: not flat, flat, flatter, flattest. In the 'flattest' category, Illinois only ranks 3rd, behind Louisiana, because only one less percent of Illinois's land is in the 'flattest' category compared to LA. What puts Illinois above Louisiana in this study is that more of Louisiana's land is in the 'not flat' category, 3 percent more.
That study is BS, don't even know what they even define as flat to begin with, and Louisiana only has about a few hundred feet in variance from low point to high point. IL has nearly 1000 feet.
Did you read the article? It explains their methodology.
Chris
Get out of here with your "science."
Quote from: Crash_It on August 12, 2021, 08:15:17 PM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on August 11, 2021, 11:31:32 PM
We had a discussion about Illinois's flatness in the Illinois Notes thread back in March of 2020, kicked off by this statement:
Quote from: ozarkman417 on March 04, 2020, 08:01:03 PM
Can't be too hard to have a flat interstate there, given Illinois is the second flattest state, behind Florida
This study above claims that Illinois is just that. The second flattest state in the union. It evaluates the terrain of each state (almost) by percentage, with said percentages of the land being placed accordingly in the following categories: not flat, flat, flatter, flattest. In the 'flattest' category, Illinois only ranks 3rd, behind Louisiana, because only one less percent of Illinois's land is in the 'flattest' category compared to LA. What puts Illinois above Louisiana in this study is that more of Louisiana's land is in the 'not flat' category, 3 percent more.
That study is BS, don't even know what they even define as flat to begin with, and Louisiana only has about a few hundred feet in variance from low point to high point. IL has nearly 1000 feet.
Illinois' high point is called the Willis Tower.
Quote from: thspfc on August 12, 2021, 10:53:05 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on August 12, 2021, 08:15:17 PM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on August 11, 2021, 11:31:32 PM
We had a discussion about Illinois's flatness in the Illinois Notes thread back in March of 2020, kicked off by this statement:
Quote from: ozarkman417 on March 04, 2020, 08:01:03 PM
Can't be too hard to have a flat interstate there, given Illinois is the second flattest state, behind Florida
This study above claims that Illinois is just that. The second flattest state in the union. It evaluates the terrain of each state (almost) by percentage, with said percentages of the land being placed accordingly in the following categories: not flat, flat, flatter, flattest. In the 'flattest' category, Illinois only ranks 3rd, behind Louisiana, because only one less percent of Illinois's land is in the 'flattest' category compared to LA. What puts Illinois above Louisiana in this study is that more of Louisiana's land is in the 'not flat' category, 3 percent more.
That study is BS, don't even know what they even define as flat to begin with, and Louisiana only has about a few hundred feet in variance from low point to high point. IL has nearly 1000 feet.
Illinois' high point is called the Willis Tower.
Meanwhile, Illinois'
hiiiiiiigh point is probably Urbana-Champaign.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 12, 2021, 09:04:45 PM
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Quote from: ozarkman417 on August 11, 2021, 11:31:32 PM
We had a discussion about Illinois's flatness in the Illinois Notes thread back in March of 2020, kicked off by this statement:
Quote from: ozarkman417 on March 04, 2020, 08:01:03 PM
Can't be too hard to have a flat interstate there, given Illinois is the second flattest state, behind Florida
This study above claims that Illinois is just that. The second flattest state in the union. It evaluates the terrain of each state (almost) by percentage, with said percentages of the land being placed accordingly in the following categories: not flat, flat, flatter, flattest. In the 'flattest' category, Illinois only ranks 3rd, behind Louisiana, because only one less percent of Illinois's land is in the 'flattest' category compared to LA. What puts Illinois above Louisiana in this study is that more of Louisiana's land is in the 'not flat' category, 3 percent more.
That study is BS, don't even know what they even define as flat to begin with, and Louisiana only has about a few hundred feet in variance from low point to high point. IL has nearly 1000 feet.
Did you read the article? It explains their methodology.
Chris
Get out of here with your "science."
Internet Discussions - where one can read the headline of an article and argue vociferously against it despite not having the slightest idea what the article itself contains. Our society is doomed.
Chris
Quote from: NE2 on August 11, 2021, 11:36:48 PM
Hard to go downhill when everything's flat...
Which thread in the AARoads Forum is most flatulent?
Quote from: kphoger on August 12, 2021, 03:17:17 PM
OK, did anybody not pick up on the fact that the analysis found an actual pancake to be less flat than North Dakota? Or that, even if Kansas had a mountain taller than Everest, it would still be literally flatter than a pancake?
With such findings, one must question the validity of the study as a whole. I mean, that's not even mentioning that it calls Colorado flatter than Georgia.
Read it more carefully. The study showed how the 2003 spoof study was able to use legitimate data to prove Kansas is flatter than a pancake. You can do that sort of manipulation with lots of things. Ants can carry multiple times their weight...fleas can jump many times their size. If you took those attributes and applied them to human dimensions (a human size flea can jump 120 ft!) then you could conclude that ants and fleas are stronger than people. Which they are not in absolute terms.
The study made up a definition of flat based n what they though human perception of flat is. This is not exactly solid physical science. This must mean there is no scientific definition of flat or they would've used it. Blizzards have a human perception to them...people use the term blizzard all the time, but much of the time the weather they are observing does not meet all the technical definitions of a blizzard.
Their methodology (~100 ft feature within ~3 miles with proportionality the closer you are to the reference point) also gives equal weight to a 101 ft mound as it would a 10,000 ft mountain. So a spot immediately east of Grand Teton is given the same flatness score as a spot in NW Florida that has a 100 ft rise within 3 miles.
My thought of a different way to answer the question whose state is flattest would be this: I have seen where people did mathematical topography manipulations to see how much surface area would Colorado have if it were flattened out. So do this for all the states, then compare the ratios to their land area that is based on their dimensions. Smallest ratios are the flattest. West Virginia, because it has almost no flatish areas other than right around a few rivers is likely the least flat in this regard. Colorado would likely be much closer to WV using this method, because despite the eastern part being non-mountainous, the mountains on the western side are very tall.
Quote from: thspfc on August 12, 2021, 10:53:05 PM
Illinois' high point is called the Willis Tower.
You win the thread. Congratulations!
Wait, are we talking about a standard buttermilk pancake, blueberry pancake, a flapjack, or hotcake?
If we're going to get pseudoscientific, at least bring food into the discussion.
Quote from: kphoger on August 13, 2021, 02:56:57 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 12, 2021, 10:53:05 PM
Illinois' high point is called the Willis Tower.
You win the thread. Congratulations!
Willis?...what you talkin about? Everyone knows it's the Sears Tower.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 13, 2021, 08:48:49 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 13, 2021, 02:56:57 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 12, 2021, 10:53:05 PM
Illinois' high point is called the Willis Tower.
You win the thread. Congratulations!
Willis?...what you talkin about? Everyone knows it's the Sears Tower.
Not sure if you're joking, but if you're not, this sort of thing ticks me off . . . stuff changes over time, get over it. Willis is a better name than Sears anyways.
Why should anybody call it "Willis Tower"?
Me entering this thread for the first time
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Quote from: thspfc on August 13, 2021, 09:05:05 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 13, 2021, 08:48:49 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 13, 2021, 02:56:57 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 12, 2021, 10:53:05 PM
Illinois' high point is called the Willis Tower.
You win the thread. Congratulations!
Willis?...what you talkin about? Everyone knows it's the Sears Tower.
Not sure if you're joking, but if you're not, this sort of thing ticks me off . . . stuff changes over time, get over it. Willis is a better name than Sears anyways.
I'm not. It might be a me thing but I refuse to call a classic building anything but it's original name.
What happened here
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 13, 2021, 10:31:30 PM
What happened here
So...you started your own thread. Are you really needing that much attention?
If FritzOwl wasn't a coward (https://cartographerswithoutborders.org/post/132149989593/my-plan-to-create-a-perfectly-flat-and-level):
(https://i.imgur.com/HamqUJE.png)
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 14, 2021, 01:07:24 AM
If FritzOwl wasn't a coward (https://cartographerswithoutborders.org/post/132149989593/my-plan-to-create-a-perfectly-flat-and-level):
(https://i.imgur.com/HamqUJE.png)
theres my plan
Quote from: thspfc on August 13, 2021, 09:05:05 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 13, 2021, 08:48:49 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 13, 2021, 02:56:57 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 12, 2021, 10:53:05 PM
Illinois' high point is called the Willis Tower.
You win the thread. Congratulations!
Willis?...what you talkin about? Everyone knows it's the Sears Tower.
Not sure if you're joking, but if you're not, this sort of thing ticks me off . . . stuff changes over time, get over it. Willis is a better name than Sears anyways.
Sears Tower :D
Quote from: ET21 on August 16, 2021, 09:50:08 AM
Quote from: thspfc on August 13, 2021, 09:05:05 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 13, 2021, 08:48:49 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 13, 2021, 02:56:57 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 12, 2021, 10:53:05 PM
Illinois' high point is called the Willis Tower.
You win the thread. Congratulations!
Willis?...what you talkin about? Everyone knows it's the Sears Tower.
Not sure if you're joking, but if you're not, this sort of thing ticks me off . . . stuff changes over time, get over it. Willis is a better name than Sears anyways.
Sears Tower :D
DA SEARSSSSSSSS
(https://i.gifer.com/origin/9b/9b8df8779a8e6cbef3ff43e361c6dff5.gif)
I preferred the Different Strokes reference.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 14, 2021, 01:07:24 AM
If FritzOwl wasn't a coward (https://cartographerswithoutborders.org/post/132149989593/my-plan-to-create-a-perfectly-flat-and-level):
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L. O. Freaking. L.
Quote from: jmacswimmer on August 16, 2021, 09:58:21 AM
Quote from: ET21 on August 16, 2021, 09:50:08 AM
Quote from: thspfc on August 13, 2021, 09:05:05 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 13, 2021, 08:48:49 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 13, 2021, 02:56:57 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 12, 2021, 10:53:05 PM
Illinois' high point is called the Willis Tower.
You win the thread. Congratulations!
Willis?...what you talkin about? Everyone knows it's the Sears Tower.
Not sure if you're joking, but if you're not, this sort of thing ticks me off . . . stuff changes over time, get over it. Willis is a better name than Sears anyways.
Sears Tower :D
DA SEARSSSSSSSS
(https://i.gifer.com/origin/9b/9b8df8779a8e6cbef3ff43e361c6dff5.gif)
DEEZ SEARS HAH GOTEEM
Why would anyone even want to be associated with Sears in 2021?
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 17, 2021, 09:34:55 PM
Why would anyone even want to be associated with Sears in 2021?
Sears is like Jack Sparrow, shit pirate but at least you've heard of him. Nobody has heard of Willis.
Perfect car accessory or does it need to point out all the mildly hilly terrain in Illinois also?
https://fb.watch/7tmIA5swqY/
More evidence that Illinois isn't flat.
https://youtu.be/PQkDKuhVqtI
Nah, Illinois is still flat.
Quote from: Crash_It on September 08, 2021, 04:24:44 PM
More evidence that Illinois is flat.
Fixed it for ya.
Looks pretty darn flat.
Chris
Billiard Table < Florida < Illinois < Louisiana < everywhere else
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 08, 2021, 04:29:07 PM
Nah, Illinois is still flat.
Nope,look at the map I put in the video, that should be enough proof on its own.
Quote from: Crash_It on September 08, 2021, 06:25:38 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 08, 2021, 04:29:07 PM
Nah, Illinois is still flat.
Nope,look at the map I put in the video, that should be enough proof on its own.
It is flat.
Quote from: Crash_It on September 08, 2021, 06:25:38 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 08, 2021, 04:29:07 PM
Nah, Illinois is still flat.
Nope,look at the map I put in the video, that should be enough proof on its own.
It's flat.
Quote from: Crash_It on September 08, 2021, 06:25:38 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 08, 2021, 04:29:07 PM
Nah, Illinois is still flat.
Nope,look at the map I put in the video, that should be enough proof on its own.
I lived in Illinois and I've been to every county in the state. There is nothing you can present that will dissuade me from the opinion it is among the flattest states. Why you insist on this weird notion of presenting your home state as something more than it is baffles me.
In other words...it is flat.
There actually are some hills in the far southern part of Illinois. They aren't all that impressive by any means, but it's at least something. I drove through on I-24 a month ago and was pleasantly surprised by the nonzero amount of terrain variation down there... but maybe my expectations had lowered a bit after driving there from St Louis on I-64 and I-57, which is an exceptionally flat and boring route. I'd fall asleep if not for the tremendous amounts of truck trarffic on those freeways.
The funny thing is, every time crash-it has tried to present Illinois as a place that's "scenic" and not flat... none of the examples posted are ever from that part of the state. They are all flat roads through random cornfields somewhere in central or northern IL.
Quote from: US 89 on September 08, 2021, 07:08:06 PM
There actually are some hills in the far southern part of Illinois. They aren't all that impressive by any means, but it's at least something. I drove through on I-24 a month ago and was pleasantly surprised by the nonzero amount of terrain variation down there... but maybe my expectations had lowered a bit after driving there from St Louis on I-64 and I-57, which is an exceptionally flat and boring route. I'd fall asleep if not for the tremendous amounts of truck trarffic on those freeways.
The funny thing is, every time crash-it has tried to present Illinois as a place that's "scenic" and not flat... none of the examples posted are ever from that part of the state. They are all flat roads through random cornfields somewhere in central or northern IL.
I agree. But I'll repeat what I said in the I-180 discussion in the Great Lakes board - just having a few hills doesn't automatically make a road scenic, or as kphoger said, "the opposite of boring".
Quote from: US 89 on September 08, 2021, 07:08:06 PM
There actually are some hills in the far southern part of Illinois. They aren't all that impressive by any means, but it's at least something. I drove through on I-24 a month ago and was pleasantly surprised by the nonzero amount of terrain variation down there... but maybe my expectations had lowered a bit after driving there from St Louis on I-64 and I-57, which is an exceptionally flat and boring route. I'd fall asleep if not for the tremendous amounts of truck trarffic on those freeways.
The funny thing is, every time crash-it has tried to present Illinois as a place that's "scenic" and not flat... none of the examples posted are ever from that part of the state. They are all flat roads through random cornfields somewhere in central or northern IL.
They aren't flat roads though. Stephenson County Route 2 had plenty of terrain variation as does the stagecoach trail. Actually drove that more extensively at night back in 2019 and had a lot of fun with the rollercoaster nature of the road. The way even up to there wasn't flat either. I just produced what was the most exciting portion of the almost 3 hours I drove that day. I have a video of the great river road in Southern Illinois on my channel that I posted in this thread too. There are roads that I filmed down there as well but haven't produced yet.
Quote from: Crash_It on September 09, 2021, 12:25:24 AM
Quote from: US 89 on September 08, 2021, 07:08:06 PM
There actually are some hills in the far southern part of Illinois. They aren't all that impressive by any means, but it's at least something. I drove through on I-24 a month ago and was pleasantly surprised by the nonzero amount of terrain variation down there... but maybe my expectations had lowered a bit after driving there from St Louis on I-64 and I-57, which is an exceptionally flat and boring route. I'd fall asleep if not for the tremendous amounts of truck trarffic on those freeways.
The funny thing is, every time crash-it has tried to present Illinois as a place that's "scenic" and not flat... none of the examples posted are ever from that part of the state. They are all flat roads through random cornfields somewhere in central or northern IL.
They aren't flat roads though. Stephenson County Route 2 had plenty of terrain variation as does the stagecoach trail. Actually drove that more extensively at night back in 2019 and had a lot of fun with the rollercoaster nature of the road. The way even up to there wasn't flat either. I just produced what was the most exciting portion of the almost 3 hours I drove that day. I have a video of the great river road in Southern Illinois on my channel that I posted in this thread too. There are roads that I filmed down there as well but haven't produced yet.
Goodness me. Yes, Crash_It, there are some roads in Illinois that are not totally completely flat (ish). But if you insist that Illinois as a whole is not flat, then why don't you go film yourself clinching every single mile of highway in the state, rather than just a few stretches of road in a select couple counties way up in the corner.
If there is one more "well ackshually there are like two hills in southern Illinois so therefore the entire state is hilly" post . . .
Quote from: Crash_It on September 08, 2021, 06:25:38 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 08, 2021, 04:29:07 PM
Nah, Illinois is still flat.
Nope,look at the map I put in the video, that should be enough proof on its own.
It's flat, you took video in the one county that isn't completely "flat" because its the Driftless Area. OVERALL, this state is flat
Quote from: ET21 on September 09, 2021, 09:12:18 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on September 08, 2021, 06:25:38 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 08, 2021, 04:29:07 PM
Nah, Illinois is still flat.
Nope,look at the map I put in the video, that should be enough proof on its own.
It's flat, you took video in the one county that isn't completely "flat" because its the Driftless Area. OVERALL, this state is flat
There's more than one county that isn't flat. Here they are of the ones I've visited in addition to the ones I've mentioned in the video
Bond, Boone, Bureau, Champaign, Clark, Clay,Clinton, Cook, Cumberland, DeKalb, DuPage, Effingham,Fayette, Gallatin (have a video proving this), Jackson , Jefferson, Jersey, Kane, Kankakee, Kendall (video coming soon proving this), Lake, LaSalle (have a few videos already proving this),Lee,Logan, Macoupin, Madison, Marion, McLean, Monroe, Putnam, Saline, Sangamon, Shelby, St. Clair, Washington, Wayne and Will
"I stood on a rock once in Illinois; ergo, it is not flat."
Chris
Quote from: Crash_It on September 09, 2021, 10:37:56 AM
Quote from: ET21 on September 09, 2021, 09:12:18 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on September 08, 2021, 06:25:38 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 08, 2021, 04:29:07 PM
Nah, Illinois is still flat.
Nope,look at the map I put in the video, that should be enough proof on its own.
It's flat, you took video in the one county that isn't completely "flat" because its the Driftless Area. OVERALL, this state is flat
There's more than one county that isn't flat. Here they are of the ones I've visited in addition to the ones I've mentioned in the video
Bond, Boone, Bureau, Champaign, Clark, Clay,Clinton, Cook, Cumberland, DeKalb, DuPage, Effingham,Fayette, Gallatin (have a video proving this), Jackson , Jefferson, Jersey, Kane, Kankakee, Kendall (video coming soon proving this), Lake, LaSalle (have a few videos already proving this),Lee,Logan, Macoupin, Madison, Marion, McLean, Monroe, Putnam, Saline, Sangamon, Shelby, St. Clair, Washington, Wayne and Will
37/102 still leaves 65 flat counties. no? :D
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on September 09, 2021, 02:14:12 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on September 09, 2021, 10:37:56 AM
Quote from: ET21 on September 09, 2021, 09:12:18 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on September 08, 2021, 06:25:38 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 08, 2021, 04:29:07 PM
Nah, Illinois is still flat.
Nope,look at the map I put in the video, that should be enough proof on its own.
It's flat, you took video in the one county that isn't completely "flat" because its the Driftless Area. OVERALL, this state is flat
There's more than one county that isn't flat. Here they are of the ones I've visited in addition to the ones I've mentioned in the video
Bond, Boone, Bureau, Champaign, Clark, Clay,Clinton, Cook, Cumberland, DeKalb, DuPage, Effingham,Fayette, Gallatin (have a video proving this), Jackson , Jefferson, Jersey, Kane, Kankakee, Kendall (video coming soon proving this), Lake, LaSalle (have a few videos already proving this),Lee,Logan, Macoupin, Madison, Marion, McLean, Monroe, Putnam, Saline, Sangamon, Shelby, St. Clair, Washington, Wayne and Will
37/102 still leaves 65 flat counties. no? :D
More than 37, those are just of the ones I've visited. There's only 4 counties I've visited that are actually flat. Douglas, Ford, Grundy and Livingston. You can look on the horizon in either of these counties and see straight ahead for miles
Some rolling hills and plains doesn't make it "not flat" .
I was just passing through West Yellowstone, Montana. Given the City is a flat valley the rest the state by proxy is also flat.
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 09, 2021, 05:17:47 PM
Some rolling hills and plains doesn't make it "not flat" .
Of course it does.
Evening news flash; Illinois is still flat.
Quote from: Crash_It on September 09, 2021, 10:37:56 AM
Quote from: ET21 on September 09, 2021, 09:12:18 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on September 08, 2021, 06:25:38 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 08, 2021, 04:29:07 PM
Nah, Illinois is still flat.
Nope,look at the map I put in the video, that should be enough proof on its own.
It's flat, you took video in the one county that isn't completely "flat" because its the Driftless Area. OVERALL, this state is flat
There's more than one county that isn't flat. Here they are of the ones I've visited in addition to the ones I've mentioned in the video
Bond, Boone, Bureau, Champaign, Clark, Clay,Clinton, Cook, Cumberland, DeKalb, DuPage, Effingham,Fayette, Gallatin (have a video proving this), Jackson , Jefferson, Jersey, Kane, Kankakee, Kendall (video coming soon proving this), Lake, LaSalle (have a few videos already proving this),Lee,Logan, Macoupin, Madison, Marion, McLean, Monroe, Putnam, Saline, Sangamon, Shelby, St. Clair, Washington, Wayne and Will
Let me emphasize the word overall...
OVERALL..... the state is flat. Yes you may find a few hills (Driftless region in NW Illinois), river valleys (Illinois River Valley, Fox Valley, etc), and the moraines surrounding Lake Michigan in the suburbs of Chicago (parts of Cook, DuPage, Will, etc), but ON AVERAGE, this state is pretty flat. :cool:
Probably not going to change your mind since you're also the same person fighting an endless war about road quality in WI, so whatevs :pan:
Morning news flash; Illinois is still flat.
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin
There are only 3 things certain in life: Death, taxes, and Illinois's flatness.
Quote from: ET21 on September 10, 2021, 09:43:42 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on September 09, 2021, 10:37:56 AM
Quote from: ET21 on September 09, 2021, 09:12:18 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on September 08, 2021, 06:25:38 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 08, 2021, 04:29:07 PM
Nah, Illinois is still flat.
Nope,look at the map I put in the video, that should be enough proof on its own.
It's flat, you took video in the one county that isn't completely "flat" because its the Driftless Area. OVERALL, this state is flat
There's more than one county that isn't flat. Here they are of the ones I've visited in addition to the ones I've mentioned in the video
Bond, Boone, Bureau, Champaign, Clark, Clay,Clinton, Cook, Cumberland, DeKalb, DuPage, Effingham,Fayette, Gallatin (have a video proving this), Jackson , Jefferson, Jersey, Kane, Kankakee, Kendall (video coming soon proving this), Lake, LaSalle (have a few videos already proving this),Lee,Logan, Macoupin, Madison, Marion, McLean, Monroe, Putnam, Saline, Sangamon, Shelby, St. Clair, Washington, Wayne and Will
Let me emphasize the word overall...
OVERALL..... the state is flat. Yes you may find a few hills (Driftless region in NW Illinois), river valleys (Illinois River Valley, Fox Valley, etc), and the moraines surrounding Lake Michigan in the suburbs of Chicago (parts of Cook, DuPage, Will, etc), but ON AVERAGE, this state is pretty flat. :cool:
Probably not going to change your mind since you're also the same person fighting an endless war about road quality in WI, so whatevs :pan:
There are hills outside of those areas though.
Quote from: Crash_It on September 10, 2021, 11:20:50 AM
Quote from: ET21 on September 10, 2021, 09:43:42 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on September 09, 2021, 10:37:56 AM
Quote from: ET21 on September 09, 2021, 09:12:18 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on September 08, 2021, 06:25:38 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 08, 2021, 04:29:07 PM
Nah, Illinois is still flat.
Nope,look at the map I put in the video, that should be enough proof on its own.
It's flat, you took video in the one county that isn't completely "flat" because its the Driftless Area. OVERALL, this state is flat
There's more than one county that isn't flat. Here they are of the ones I've visited in addition to the ones I've mentioned in the video
Bond, Boone, Bureau, Champaign, Clark, Clay,Clinton, Cook, Cumberland, DeKalb, DuPage, Effingham,Fayette, Gallatin (have a video proving this), Jackson , Jefferson, Jersey, Kane, Kankakee, Kendall (video coming soon proving this), Lake, LaSalle (have a few videos already proving this),Lee,Logan, Macoupin, Madison, Marion, McLean, Monroe, Putnam, Saline, Sangamon, Shelby, St. Clair, Washington, Wayne and Will
Let me emphasize the word overall...
OVERALL..... the state is flat. Yes you may find a few hills (Driftless region in NW Illinois), river valleys (Illinois River Valley, Fox Valley, etc), and the moraines surrounding Lake Michigan in the suburbs of Chicago (parts of Cook, DuPage, Will, etc), but ON AVERAGE, this state is pretty flat. :cool:
Probably not going to change your mind since you're also the same person fighting an endless war about road quality in WI, so whatevs :pan:
There are hills outside of those areas though.
A cornstalk that is 3 centimeters taller than the cornstalks that surround it does not in fact constitute a hill.
Quote from: jmacswimmer on September 10, 2021, 10:23:20 AM
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin
There are only 3 things certain in life: Death, taxes, and Illinois's flatness.
Why do I feel like this is a line straight out of a kernals12 post?
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 09, 2021, 11:04:53 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on September 09, 2021, 10:16:51 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 09, 2021, 05:17:47 PM
Some rolling hills and plains doesn't make it "not flat" .
Of course it does.
So is any state flat then?
Yes. West Virginia is flat because flat is not flat, so therefore not flat is flat.
As I stated in the spinoff "opposite" thread ... this deceased equine has been beaten until it's flat.
Illinois is flat compared to most states. But it's not 100% completely geometrically flat.
Quote from: thspfc on September 10, 2021, 12:46:26 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on September 10, 2021, 10:23:20 AM
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin
There are only 3 things certain in life: Death, taxes, and Illinois's flatness.
Why do I feel like this is a line straight out of a kernals12 post?
Not at all what I was going for, but now that you pointed it out I can't unsee it :ded:
I must have inadvertently quoted that out of the OP of the latest thread about the newest groundbreaking {
insert some material or technology} of the month and how it'll completely change the game for {
insert some transportation or development-related policy} :sombrero:
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 10, 2021, 02:13:44 PM
Illinois is flat compared to most states. But it's not 100% completely geometrically flat.
Read that post again flatly.
Quote from: Rothman on September 10, 2021, 02:34:44 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 10, 2021, 02:13:44 PM
Illinois is flat compared to most states. But it's not 100% completely geometrically flat.
Read that post again flatly.
Read that post again.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49048932362_b78038faf4_b.jpg)
^ I must say, that was well done. :D
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 10, 2021, 02:39:40 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49048932362_b78038faf4_b.jpg)
Now you're gettin' it.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on September 10, 2021, 02:39:40 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49048932362_b78038faf4_b.jpg)
Read that post again.
Post Yellowstone day trip news flash; Illinois is still flat.
I found proof that Illinois is in fact not flat!
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thehawkeye.com%2Fstoryimage%2FIA%2F20181230%2FNEWS%2F181239988%2FAR%2F0%2FAR-181239988.jpg%3FQ%3D75%26amp%3BmaxW%3D1920%26amp%3BmaxH%3D1920&hash=c2931ae56077e0c88cccf3083c86e6e0b600ec37)
Did Illinois invade and annex Iowa?
I can't believe this thread is still going on.
Since it is, I should bring up something that no one has considered yet: Illinois includes part of Lake Michigan. Because of all the waves, the water is rarely if ever flat. Therefore, Illinois isn't flat.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on September 25, 2021, 09:17:52 AM
I can't believe this thread is still going on.
Since it is, I should bring up something that no one has considered yet: Illinois includes part of Lake Michigan. Because of all the waves, the water is rarely if ever flat. Therefore, Illinois isn't flat.
Are you Amazed (well not really) it is still going on?
Quote from: JoePCool14 on September 25, 2021, 09:17:52 AM
I can't believe this thread is still going on.
Since it is, I should bring up something that no one has considered yet: Illinois includes part of Lake Michigan. Because of all the waves, the water is rarely if ever flat. Therefore, Illinois isn't flat.
Yes it is!
I, L, and N are all made of straight (flat) lines. O and S are made of curved (not flat) lines.
Thus ILLINOIS is 75% flat.
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 01, 2021, 11:31:00 PM
I, L, and N are all made of straight (flat) lines. O and S are made of curved (not flat) lines.
Thus ILLINOIS is 75% flat.
Amazed (well not really) that not every letter in Illinois isn't flat.
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 01, 2021, 11:31:00 PM
I, L, and N are all made of straight (flat) lines. O and S are made of curved (not flat) lines.
Thus ILLINOIS is 75% flat.
This thread was dead for over 5 days. Scott, how could you forsake us?
Quote from: JoePCool14 on October 02, 2021, 05:31:03 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 01, 2021, 11:31:00 PM
I, L, and N are all made of straight (flat) lines. O and S are made of curved (not flat) lines.
Thus ILLINOIS is 75% flat.
This thread was dead for over 5 days. Scott, how could you forsake us?
Simple, the forum gods are a vengeful lot. I'm amazed (well not really) that you expected this thread to die a quick death.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 02, 2021, 06:07:44 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on October 02, 2021, 05:31:03 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 01, 2021, 11:31:00 PM
I, L, and N are all made of straight (flat) lines. O and S are made of curved (not flat) lines.
Thus ILLINOIS is 75% flat.
This thread was dead for over 5 days. Scott, how could you forsake us?
Simple, the forum gods are a vengeful lot. I'm amazed (well not really) that you expected this thread to die a quick death.
This thread will both die at some point and live on forever. Think about it.
Quote from: US 89 on October 03, 2021, 01:42:45 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 02, 2021, 06:07:44 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on October 02, 2021, 05:31:03 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 01, 2021, 11:31:00 PM
I, L, and N are all made of straight (flat) lines. O and S are made of curved (not flat) lines.
Thus ILLINOIS is 75% flat.
This thread was dead for over 5 days. Scott, how could you forsake us?
Simple, the forum gods are a vengeful lot. I'm amazed (well not really) that you expected this thread to die a quick death.
This thread will both die at some point and live on forever. Think about it.
This thread wants us to kill it so it can break free of its meaty cocoon and become a being of pure energy.
Quote from: US 89 on October 03, 2021, 01:42:45 PM
This thread will both die at some point and live on forever. Think about it.
Is this the part where I embed a black-and-white Wikipedia photo of some Texas senator from the 1800s and ramble on about whatever crosses my stream of consciousness for a few paragraphs?
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 04, 2021, 02:06:56 AM
Quote from: US 89 on October 03, 2021, 01:42:45 PM
This thread will both die at some point and live on forever. Think about it.
Is this the part where I embed a black-and-white Wikipedia photo of some Texas senator from the 1800s and ramble on about whatever crosses my stream of consciousness for a few paragraphs?
Please both do it and don't do it.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 04, 2021, 02:13:42 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 04, 2021, 02:06:56 AM
Quote from: US 89 on October 03, 2021, 01:42:45 PM
This thread will both die at some point and live on forever. Think about it.
Is this the part where I embed a black-and-white Wikipedia photo of some Texas senator from the 1800s and ramble on about whatever crosses my stream of consciousness for a few paragraphs?
Please both do it and don't do it.
Sounds like Illinois is quickly morphing into a fictional wonderland we both love and loathe.
Amazing (well not really) that all of you haven't gotten on the Illinois isn't flat bandwagon. I feel like going out to my garage and smashing the horn of my car.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 04, 2021, 09:11:18 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 04, 2021, 02:13:42 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 04, 2021, 02:06:56 AM
Quote from: US 89 on October 03, 2021, 01:42:45 PM
This thread will both die at some point and live on forever. Think about it.
Is this the part where I embed a black-and-white Wikipedia photo of some Texas senator from the 1800s and ramble on about whatever crosses my stream of consciousness for a few paragraphs?
Please both do it and don't do it.
Sounds like Illinois is quickly morphing into a fictional wonderland we both love and loathe.
Potentially. This is also a great opportunity to spread some of that enriching fictional culture. 'Twas the Alanlandites who said "The longer the quote..."
Quote from: JoePCool14 on October 04, 2021, 10:53:42 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 04, 2021, 09:11:18 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 04, 2021, 02:13:42 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 04, 2021, 02:06:56 AM
Quote from: US 89 on October 03, 2021, 01:42:45 PM
This thread will both die at some point and live on forever. Think about it.
Is this the part where I embed a black-and-white Wikipedia photo of some Texas senator from the 1800s and ramble on about whatever crosses my stream of consciousness for a few paragraphs?
Please both do it and don't do it.
Sounds like Illinois is quickly morphing into a fictional wonderland we both love and loathe.
Potentially. This is also a great opportunity to spread some of that enriching fictional culture. 'Twas the Alanlandites who said "The longer the quote..."
"...the flatter the goat."
Are the ghosts haunting Illinois highways also flat?
I dated a woman from Illinois once. She was flat too.
Quote from: dlsterner on October 07, 2021, 07:32:04 PM
I dated a woman from Illinois once. She was flat too.
Was she a ghost?
Quote from: thspfc on October 07, 2021, 09:22:58 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 07, 2021, 07:56:33 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on October 07, 2021, 07:32:04 PM
I dated a woman from Illinois once. She was flat too.
Was she a ghost?
In 37 out of 102 counties.
Was she a spooky specter in the other 65 counties? If so, a flat spooky specter?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 07, 2021, 09:39:41 PM
Quote from: thspfc on October 07, 2021, 09:22:58 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 07, 2021, 07:56:33 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on October 07, 2021, 07:32:04 PM
I dated a woman from Illinois once. She was flat too.
Was she a ghost?
In 37 out of 102 counties.
Was she a spooky specter in the other 65 counties? If so, a flat spooky specter?
No because the 65 counties are flat compared to the other 37, however 63 of them are not flat according to the world's foremost authority on hilliness, yet all 102 still rank as the second flattest group of counties in the nation. So therefore, we can unironically say that Illinois is both flat and not flat.
Quote from: thspfc on October 07, 2021, 09:54:34 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 07, 2021, 09:39:41 PM
Quote from: thspfc on October 07, 2021, 09:22:58 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 07, 2021, 07:56:33 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on October 07, 2021, 07:32:04 PM
I dated a woman from Illinois once. She was flat too.
Was she a ghost?
In 37 out of 102 counties.
Was she a spooky specter in the other 65 counties? If so, a flat spooky specter?
No because the 65 counties are flat compared to the other 37, however 63 of them are not flat according to the world's foremost authority on hilliness, yet all 102 still rank as the second flattest group of counties in the nation. So therefore, we can unironically say that Illinois is both flat and not flat.
Here are 3 Illinois counties that are not flat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ3zpizYtNo
Quote from: Crash_It on October 09, 2021, 03:45:16 PM
Here are 3 Illinois counties that are not flat.
You're not winning. What exactly is your obsessive point of trying to prove Illinois isn't flat? Of course it's not entirely flat. But it's not Colorado, and outside of a couple areas, it's not scenic even in most of the hillier areas. A few hills does not mean great scenery worth fighting everyone to try to defend your state over.
Illinois is not scenic.
And it's still flat.
Compared to most of the US, Illinois is flat. And it's more boring than the "flatter" Plains states (which really aren't that flat).
This guy is seriously back for more ridicule after the Haunted thread fiasco?
Quote from: Crash_It on October 09, 2021, 03:45:16 PM
Quote from: thspfc on October 07, 2021, 09:54:34 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 07, 2021, 09:39:41 PM
Quote from: thspfc on October 07, 2021, 09:22:58 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 07, 2021, 07:56:33 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on October 07, 2021, 07:32:04 PM
I dated a woman from Illinois once. She was flat too.
Was she a ghost?
In 37 out of 102 counties.
Was she a spooky specter in the other 65 counties? If so, a flat spooky specter?
No because the 65 counties are flat compared to the other 37, however 63 of them are not flat according to the world's foremost authority on hilliness, yet all 102 still rank as the second flattest group of counties in the nation. So therefore, we can unironically say that Illinois is both flat and not flat.
Here are 3 Illinois counties that are not flat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ3zpizYtNo
There's a small hill around 10 minutes, and an actual hill from 14-15 minutes. Other than that it's flat.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on October 09, 2021, 05:24:00 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 09, 2021, 03:45:16 PM
Here are 3 Illinois counties that are not flat.
You're not winning. What exactly is your obsessive point of trying to prove Illinois isn't flat? Of course it's not entirely flat. But it's not Colorado, and outside of a couple areas, it's not scenic even in most of the hillier areas. A few hills does not mean great scenery worth fighting everyone to try to defend your state over.
Illinois is not scenic.
And it's still flat.
Speaking of "scenic", I would agree that some of the hilly parts of Illinois are not even scenic. Southern Illinois and the Illinois Valley have too much thick tree cover to be scenic. It's really just the area bordered by the Mississippi River on the west, the Wisconsin border on the north, IL-73 on the east, and US-52 on the south that I would consider scenic. And the Lake Michigan shoreline of course, but that doesn't relate to flatness.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on October 09, 2021, 05:24:00 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 09, 2021, 03:45:16 PM
Here are 3 Illinois counties that are not flat.
You're not winning. What exactly is your obsessive point of trying to prove Illinois isn't flat? Of course it's not entirely flat. But it's not Colorado, and outside of a couple areas, it's not scenic even in most of the hillier areas. A few hills does not mean great scenery worth fighting everyone to try to defend your state over.
Illinois is not scenic.
And it's still flat.
The ONLY county in Illinois that I have found to be scenic is Jo Daviess County, other than that I don't think Illinois is very scenic at all.
Well out of the 50 states the highest point in Illinois ranks 44th with only Rhode Island, Mississippi, Louisiana, Delaware and Florida as well as Washington, DC having lower high points in the state. So 88% of the states in the country have a higher high point than Illinois does and the elevation span is only 955 feet. Illinois is indeed flat.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on October 09, 2021, 05:24:00 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 09, 2021, 03:45:16 PM
Here are 3 Illinois counties that are not flat.
You're not winning. What exactly is your obsessive point of trying to prove Illinois isn't flat? Of course it's not entirely flat. But it's not Colorado, and outside of a couple areas, it's not scenic even in most of the hillier areas. A few hills does not mean great scenery worth fighting everyone to try to defend your state over.
Illinois is not scenic.
And it's still flat.
It is scenic. If it's not scenic then Minnesota isn't either. Was there back in August and the scenery was very similar to what is in this video and others I've uploaded.
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 09, 2021, 08:10:37 PM
Well out of the 50 states the highest point in Illinois ranks 44th with only Rhode Island, Mississippi, Louisiana, Delaware and Florida as well as Washington, DC having lower high points in the state. So 88% of the states in the country have a higher high point than Illinois does and the elevation span is only 955 feet. Illinois is indeed flat.
And Rhode Island can be scenic (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7174714,-71.4933649,3a,75y,325h,87.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjUr8JoJ9eHI1dhmLlZWx2A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e4).
Quote from: 1 on October 09, 2021, 08:19:45 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 09, 2021, 08:10:37 PM
Well out of the 50 states the highest point in Illinois ranks 44th with only Rhode Island, Mississippi, Louisiana, Delaware and Florida as well as Washington, DC having lower high points in the state. So 88% of the states in the country have a higher high point than Illinois does and the elevation span is only 955 feet. Illinois is indeed flat.
And Rhode Island can be scenic (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7174714,-71.4933649,3a,75y,325h,87.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjUr8JoJ9eHI1dhmLlZWx2A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e4).
I think Illinois is 45th I must of missed some state somewhere. But yeah that looks like a scenic view there in Rhode Island.
Quote from: thspfc on October 09, 2021, 06:21:03 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 09, 2021, 03:45:16 PM
Quote from: thspfc on October 07, 2021, 09:54:34 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 07, 2021, 09:39:41 PM
Quote from: thspfc on October 07, 2021, 09:22:58 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 07, 2021, 07:56:33 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on October 07, 2021, 07:32:04 PM
I dated a woman from Illinois once. She was flat too.
Was she a ghost?
In 37 out of 102 counties.
Was she a spooky specter in the other 65 counties? If so, a flat spooky specter?
No because the 65 counties are flat compared to the other 37, however 63 of them are not flat according to the world's foremost authority on hilliness, yet all 102 still rank as the second flattest group of counties in the nation. So therefore, we can unironically say that Illinois is both flat and not flat.
Here are 3 Illinois counties that are not flat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ3zpizYtNo
There's a small hill around 10 minutes, and an actual hill from 14-15 minutes. Other than that it's flat.
. The whole entire first couple songs is hilly. Remember dashcam distorts the actual perception so it makes things appear further away and flatter.
(https://www.disruptivegeo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/US_FlatIndex_Lambert_Pct_VF_article.jpg)
North Carolina is #11?
Quote from: Crash_It on October 09, 2021, 08:16:54 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on October 09, 2021, 05:24:00 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 09, 2021, 03:45:16 PM
Here are 3 Illinois counties that are not flat.
You're not winning. What exactly is your obsessive point of trying to prove Illinois isn't flat? Of course it's not entirely flat. But it's not Colorado, and outside of a couple areas, it's not scenic even in most of the hillier areas. A few hills does not mean great scenery worth fighting everyone to try to defend your state over.
Illinois is not scenic.
And it's still flat.
It is scenic. If it's not scenic then Minnesota isn't either. Was there back in August and the scenery was very similar to what is in this video and others I've uploaded.
Minnesota is more scenic than Illinois is.
Quote from: 1 on October 10, 2021, 07:28:10 AM
North Carolina is #11?
I'm surprised by that. With all the mountains especially in western North Carolina I don't consider it a flat state. I mean it has the 16th high point of any state with Mount Mitchell being 6,684 feet in elevation. And the low point being on the Atlantic Ocean at sea level.
Mount Mitchell is the highest point in eastern North America so that's surprising.
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 10, 2021, 08:20:34 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 09, 2021, 08:16:54 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on October 09, 2021, 05:24:00 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 09, 2021, 03:45:16 PM
Here are 3 Illinois counties that are not flat.
You're not winning. What exactly is your obsessive point of trying to prove Illinois isn't flat? Of course it's not entirely flat. But it's not Colorado, and outside of a couple areas, it's not scenic even in most of the hillier areas. A few hills does not mean great scenery worth fighting everyone to try to defend your state over.
Illinois is not scenic.
And it's still flat.
It is scenic. If it's not scenic then Minnesota isn't either. Was there back in August and the scenery was very similar to what is in this video and others I've uploaded.
Minnesota is more scenic than Illinois is.
It's a fair guess that Crash_It has never been north of US-10 in Minnesota. The irony, that he just drives through the state on I-90 or I-94 and proclaims that Minnesota is not scenic, yet he goes to the most secluded backroads in Illinois to try and prove that it is scenic.
Quote from: thspfc on October 10, 2021, 08:31:27 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 10, 2021, 08:20:34 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 09, 2021, 08:16:54 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on October 09, 2021, 05:24:00 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 09, 2021, 03:45:16 PM
Here are 3 Illinois counties that are not flat.
You're not winning. What exactly is your obsessive point of trying to prove Illinois isn't flat? Of course it's not entirely flat. But it's not Colorado, and outside of a couple areas, it's not scenic even in most of the hillier areas. A few hills does not mean great scenery worth fighting everyone to try to defend your state over.
Illinois is not scenic.
And it's still flat.
It is scenic. If it's not scenic then Minnesota isn't either. Was there back in August and the scenery was very similar to what is in this video and others I've uploaded.
Minnesota is more scenic than Illinois is.
It's a fair guess that Crash_It has never been north of US-10 in Minnesota. The irony, that he just drives through the state on I-90 or I-94 and proclaims that Minnesota is not scenic, yet he goes to the most secluded backroads in Illinois to try and prove that it is scenic.
That appears to be very true. It'd be like me saying that Kansas isn't scenic when I've only been to Baxter Springs entered Kansas on ALT US-69 and left on US-400. I've been to Northern Minnesota and it reminds me of Northern Michigan and Northern Wisconsin all are pretty similar.
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 10, 2021, 08:42:25 AM
Quote from: thspfc on October 10, 2021, 08:31:27 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 10, 2021, 08:20:34 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 09, 2021, 08:16:54 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on October 09, 2021, 05:24:00 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 09, 2021, 03:45:16 PM
Here are 3 Illinois counties that are not flat.
You're not winning. What exactly is your obsessive point of trying to prove Illinois isn't flat? Of course it's not entirely flat. But it's not Colorado, and outside of a couple areas, it's not scenic even in most of the hillier areas. A few hills does not mean great scenery worth fighting everyone to try to defend your state over.
Illinois is not scenic.
And it's still flat.
It is scenic. If it's not scenic then Minnesota isn't either. Was there back in August and the scenery was very similar to what is in this video and others I've uploaded.
Minnesota is more scenic than Illinois is.
It's a fair guess that Crash_It has never been north of US-10 in Minnesota. The irony, that he just drives through the state on I-90 or I-94 and proclaims that Minnesota is not scenic, yet he goes to the most secluded backroads in Illinois to try and prove that it is scenic.
That appears to be very true. It'd be like me saying that Kansas isn't scenic when I've only been to Baxter Springs entered Kansas on ALT US-69 and left on US-400. I've been to Northern Minnesota and it reminds me of Northern Michigan and Northern Wisconsin all are pretty similar.
Northern MN is more scenic than northern WI and the UP. Can't speak for the northern Lower Peninsula since I haven't been there.
Quote from: thspfc on October 10, 2021, 08:44:17 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 10, 2021, 08:42:25 AM
Quote from: thspfc on October 10, 2021, 08:31:27 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 10, 2021, 08:20:34 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 09, 2021, 08:16:54 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on October 09, 2021, 05:24:00 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 09, 2021, 03:45:16 PM
Here are 3 Illinois counties that are not flat.
You're not winning. What exactly is your obsessive point of trying to prove Illinois isn't flat? Of course it's not entirely flat. But it's not Colorado, and outside of a couple areas, it's not scenic even in most of the hillier areas. A few hills does not mean great scenery worth fighting everyone to try to defend your state over.
Illinois is not scenic.
And it's still flat.
It is scenic. If it's not scenic then Minnesota isn't either. Was there back in August and the scenery was very similar to what is in this video and others I've uploaded.
Minnesota is more scenic than Illinois is.
It's a fair guess that Crash_It has never been north of US-10 in Minnesota. The irony, that he just drives through the state on I-90 or I-94 and proclaims that Minnesota is not scenic, yet he goes to the most secluded backroads in Illinois to try and prove that it is scenic.
That appears to be very true. It'd be like me saying that Kansas isn't scenic when I've only been to Baxter Springs entered Kansas on ALT US-69 and left on US-400. I've been to Northern Minnesota and it reminds me of Northern Michigan and Northern Wisconsin all are pretty similar.
Northern MN is more scenic than northern WI and the UP. Can't speak for the northern Lower Peninsula since I haven't been there.
It depends on where in the U.P., the Keweenaw is pretty scenic and like around Houghton/Hancock but the southern part of the U.P. doesn't do much for me anymore. US-2 is a nice ride though. The Lower Peninsula has more to do and is pretty scenic north of US-10. The western part of the Lower Peninsula is more scenic than the eastern except along US-23 between Standish and Mackinaw City. I've been to all three and they all seem like they have the same scenery. I think Wisconsin and the Lower Peninsula of Michigan resemble each other pretty close.
You might want to distinguish "scenic due to hills" (the original intent of this thread) and "scenic for other reasons" (the Rhode Island link I posted is water + fall foliage).
Rhode Island does have hills. Where I live, elevation ranges from 25 to 80 feet above sea level, and if you're on the right roads, you can go from one to the other in under ½ mile. I believe Rhode Island is similar in this regard. Basically small hills everywhere.
Where I live is flat. Elevation is about 500 feet or so, Flint is about 150 feet higher in elevation but you'd never notice it.
Quote from: Crash_It on October 09, 2021, 08:16:54 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on October 09, 2021, 05:24:00 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 09, 2021, 03:45:16 PM
Here are 3 Illinois counties that are not flat.
You're not winning. What exactly is your obsessive point of trying to prove Illinois isn't flat? Of course it's not entirely flat. But it's not Colorado, and outside of a couple areas, it's not scenic even in most of the hillier areas. A few hills does not mean great scenery worth fighting everyone to try to defend your state over.
Illinois is not scenic.
And it's still flat.
It is scenic. If it's not scenic then Minnesota isn't either. Was there back in August and the scenery was very similar to what is in this video and others I've uploaded.
Minnesota is totally unrelated to this conversation. But since you went there, most of it is not scenic either. You jumped to these conclusions that I'm dissing IL to say MN is great.
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 10, 2021, 09:46:15 AM
Elevation is about 500 feet or so,
Must be more than that, or you'd be under about 80 feet of Lake Huron.
Quote from: GaryV on October 10, 2021, 12:22:55 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 10, 2021, 09:46:15 AM
Elevation is about 500 feet or so,
Must be more than that, or you'd be under about 80 feet of Lake Huron.
584 feet I was a whooping 84 feet off so my wording of about kicks in. Flint is 751 feet so it's 167 feet higher in elevation and these were just guesses off the top of my head having driven between both cities several hundred times in my life.
Is there a word for nationalism, but instead of for a country, it's for the state of Illinois? That's sort of what I'm feeling reading some of the posts here.
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 10, 2021, 01:42:03 PM
Is there a word for nationalism, but instead of for a country, it's for the state of Illinois? That's sort of what I'm feeling reading some of the posts here.
It's a simple case of the OP being a "homer." Everywhere I've lived there is a sizable portion of the population that is convinced they live in the best place ever. In those circumstances logic generally goes out the window no matter how much evidence you present.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 10, 2021, 02:13:40 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 10, 2021, 01:42:03 PM
Is there a word for nationalism, but instead of for a country, it's for the state of Illinois? That's sort of what I'm feeling reading some of the posts here.
It's a simple case of the OP being a "homer." Everywhere I've lived there is a sizable portion of the population that is convinced they live in the best place ever. In those circumstances logic generally goes out the window no matter how much evidence you present.
I mean he always seems to be accusing us of trying to promote our own states at Illinois's expense, which we're not.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 09, 2021, 05:39:43 PM
This guy is seriously back for more ridicule after the Haunted thread fiasco?
Yes, I'm amazed (well not really) that he keeps coming back for more ridicule. (I did catch some of the Haunted thread fiasco before it went to forum purgatory)
Quote from: dlsterner on October 10, 2021, 05:09:53 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 09, 2021, 05:39:43 PM
This guy is seriously back for more ridicule after the Haunted thread fiasco?
Yes, I'm amazed (well not really) that he keeps coming back for more ridicule. (I did catch some of the Haunted thread fiasco before it went to forum purgatory)
Seems you didn't, it was such a spooky thread that it disappeared like a ghost! I might be able to offer you some low quality grainy images as proof that it existed.
Quote from: kphoger on August 02, 2021, 03:22:17 PM
Why would I think Illinois was flat? I used to live in the southern part of the state.
Oh, wait, I forgot. People in Chicago think the rest of the state doesn't exist, so they assume we must think that too.
https://goo.gl/maps/5a3fyMGAxXFRTR2b8 (https://goo.gl/maps/5a3fyMGAxXFRTR2b8)
https://goo.gl/maps/UP9BZHqCmoXoiV42A (https://goo.gl/maps/UP9BZHqCmoXoiV42A)
https://goo.gl/maps/W4nYR9jAu7ZzhhKS7 (https://goo.gl/maps/W4nYR9jAu7ZzhhKS7)
https://goo.gl/maps/j8gtKcz2hqVLJfWMA (https://goo.gl/maps/j8gtKcz2hqVLJfWMA)
https://goo.gl/maps/dS18P2TCdb1pdE6k6 (https://goo.gl/maps/dS18P2TCdb1pdE6k6)
https://goo.gl/maps/G7PULpCNtiGeCEGR8 (https://goo.gl/maps/G7PULpCNtiGeCEGR8)
I get what you mean the New Madrid fault makes the Southern part of Illinois hilly in some areas.
Quote from: thspfc on October 09, 2021, 06:28:53 PM
Speaking of "scenic", I would agree that some of the hilly parts of Illinois are not even scenic. Southern Illinois and the Illinois Valley have too much thick tree cover to be scenic.
I think that's remarkably silly. Thick tree cover can be scenic in its own right, especially around this time of year.
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 10, 2021, 01:42:03 PM
Is there a word for nationalism, but instead of for a country, it's for the state of Illinois? That's sort of what I'm feeling reading some of the posts here.
Sectionalism.
Quote from: US 89 on October 10, 2021, 02:47:09 AM
(https://www.disruptivegeo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/US_FlatIndex_Lambert_Pct_VF_article.jpg)
That's interesting to see California more flat than New York State. But I can see why too given that the Central Valley contributes to the Golden States flatness and parts of the Mojave Desert can give that perception.
Also Upstate New York has the Appalachian mountains that make the state less flat.
Nebraska is only #20 in flatness? I thought it would be top 10 at least.
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 10, 2021, 06:24:20 PM
Nebraska is only #20 in flatness? I thought it would be top 10 at least.
The western part of the state has substantial bluffs and badlands.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 10, 2021, 05:16:17 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on October 10, 2021, 05:09:53 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 09, 2021, 05:39:43 PM
This guy is seriously back for more ridicule after the Haunted thread fiasco?
Yes, I'm amazed (well not really) that he keeps coming back for more ridicule. (I did catch some of the Haunted thread fiasco before it went to forum purgatory)
Seems you didn't, it was such a spooky thread that it disappeared like a ghost! I might be able to offer you some low quality grainy images as proof that it existed.
Wow. The thread didn't just get locked, but it got deleted? That doesn't happen very often. It must have gotten really crazy in there between the time I saw it for the last time and when someone pulled the plug on it.
I'd love to see the mods' explanation for this and what prompted the decision. (There's my occasional call for more transparency).
Quote from: hbelkins on October 10, 2021, 07:36:59 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 10, 2021, 05:16:17 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on October 10, 2021, 05:09:53 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 09, 2021, 05:39:43 PM
This guy is seriously back for more ridicule after the Haunted thread fiasco?
Yes, I'm amazed (well not really) that he keeps coming back for more ridicule. (I did catch some of the Haunted thread fiasco before it went to forum purgatory)
Seems you didn't, it was such a spooky thread that it disappeared like a ghost! I might be able to offer you some low quality grainy images as proof that it existed.
Wow. The thread didn't just get locked, but it got deleted? That doesn't happen very often. It must have gotten really crazy in there between the time I saw it for the last time and when someone pulled the plug on it.
I'd love to see the mods' explanation for this and what prompted the decision. (There's my occasional call for more transparency).
It was just a total cluster f%^} from my own observation as someone who was part of that thread. Lots of insults were hurled back and forth amid the backdrop of Illinois roadways somehow being haunted/not flat. Suffice to say there was almost nothing (being generous) of value in said thread.
Quote from: bing101 on October 10, 2021, 06:01:04 PM
That's interesting to see California more flat than New York State. But I can see why too given that the Central Valley contributes to the Golden States flatness and parts of the Mojave Desert can give that perception.
Also Upstate New York has the Appalachian mountains that make the state less flat.
Very little of NY is remotely flat. Aside from Long Island and right along the Great Lakes, the state is very rugged, as is most of the Northeast. Our mountains might not be tall, but there is definitely more terrain variation than you get in most of the US. Similarly, all of NJ's high ranking comes from South Jersey.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 10, 2021, 06:33:25 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 10, 2021, 06:24:20 PM
Nebraska is only #20 in flatness? I thought it would be top 10 at least.
The western part of the state has substantial bluffs and badlands.
Between the badlands out west and the sandhills in Central NE, it's not a flat state unless you're along the I-80 corridor or south. I was very pleasantly surprised by the scenery.
Something quite surprising: None of the six flattest states touch each other.
If we're comparing Iowa and Illinois, Iowa has the Loess Hills, while Illinois has less hills. :D
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 10, 2021, 07:48:40 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 10, 2021, 07:36:59 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 10, 2021, 05:16:17 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on October 10, 2021, 05:09:53 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 09, 2021, 05:39:43 PM
This guy is seriously back for more ridicule after the Haunted thread fiasco?
Yes, I'm amazed (well not really) that he keeps coming back for more ridicule. (I did catch some of the Haunted thread fiasco before it went to forum purgatory)
Seems you didn't, it was such a spooky thread that it disappeared like a ghost! I might be able to offer you some low quality grainy images as proof that it existed.
Wow. The thread didn't just get locked, but it got deleted? That doesn't happen very often. It must have gotten really crazy in there between the time I saw it for the last time and when someone pulled the plug on it.
I'd love to see the mods' explanation for this and what prompted the decision. (There's my occasional call for more transparency).
It was just a total cluster f%^} from my own observation as someone who was part of that thread. Lots of insults were hurled back and forth amid the backdrop of Illinois roadways somehow being haunted/not flat. Suffice to say there was almost nothing (being generous) of value in said thread.
They weren't even particularly good or entertaining insults.
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 10, 2021, 09:43:30 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 10, 2021, 07:48:40 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 10, 2021, 07:36:59 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 10, 2021, 05:16:17 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on October 10, 2021, 05:09:53 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 09, 2021, 05:39:43 PM
This guy is seriously back for more ridicule after the Haunted thread fiasco?
Yes, I'm amazed (well not really) that he keeps coming back for more ridicule. (I did catch some of the Haunted thread fiasco before it went to forum purgatory)
Seems you didn't, it was such a spooky thread that it disappeared like a ghost! I might be able to offer you some low quality grainy images as proof that it existed.
Wow. The thread didn't just get locked, but it got deleted? That doesn't happen very often. It must have gotten really crazy in there between the time I saw it for the last time and when someone pulled the plug on it.
I'd love to see the mods' explanation for this and what prompted the decision. (There's my occasional call for more transparency).
It was just a total cluster f%^} from my own observation as someone who was part of that thread. Lots of insults were hurled back and forth amid the backdrop of Illinois roadways somehow being haunted/not flat. Suffice to say there was almost nothing (being generous) of value in said thread.
They weren't even particularly good or entertaining insults.
What got me was that the original post went into so much detail about certain Illinois roads being haunted only to take a sudden 180 turn at the end about Illinois not being flat. It left me with the impression that if the OP had found proof of; the divine, monsters, ghosts or aliens visiting Illinois that he would still commentate on how evidence of the state not being flat was in the background.
Quote from: bing101 on October 10, 2021, 06:01:04 PM
Quote from: US 89 on October 10, 2021, 02:47:09 AM
(https://www.disruptivegeo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/US_FlatIndex_Lambert_Pct_VF_article.jpg)
That's interesting to see California more flat than New York State. But I can see why too given that the Central Valley contributes to the Golden States flatness and parts of the Mojave Desert can give that perception.
Also Upstate New York has the Appalachian mountains that make the state less flat.
Curious to see Alaska's and Hawaii's rank.
Illinois & South Carolina is flatter than Delaware?? That's a shock to me.
Quote from: paulthemapguy on October 10, 2021, 08:49:52 PM
If we're comparing Iowa and Illinois, Iowa has the Loess Hills, while Illinois has less hills. :D
Illinois has the Shawnee Hills and Illinois Ozarks.
Quote from: plain on October 10, 2021, 10:23:40 PM
Illinois & South Carolina is flatter than Delaware?? That's a shock to me.
Northern Delaware is hilly enough to mess up the ranking. It's not much of the state, but it's a large enough percentage.
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 10, 2021, 09:43:30 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 10, 2021, 07:48:40 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 10, 2021, 07:36:59 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 10, 2021, 05:16:17 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on October 10, 2021, 05:09:53 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 09, 2021, 05:39:43 PM
This guy is seriously back for more ridicule after the Haunted thread fiasco?
Yes, I'm amazed (well not really) that he keeps coming back for more ridicule. (I did catch some of the Haunted thread fiasco before it went to forum purgatory)
Seems you didn't, it was such a spooky thread that it disappeared like a ghost! I might be able to offer you some low quality grainy images as proof that it existed.
Wow. The thread didn't just get locked, but it got deleted? That doesn't happen very often. It must have gotten really crazy in there between the time I saw it for the last time and when someone pulled the plug on it.
I'd love to see the mods' explanation for this and what prompted the decision. (There's my occasional call for more transparency).
It was just a total cluster f%^} from my own observation as someone who was part of that thread. Lots of insults were hurled back and forth amid the backdrop of Illinois roadways somehow being haunted/not flat. Suffice to say there was almost nothing (being generous) of value in said thread.
They weren't even particularly good or entertaining insults.
Oh, I don't know about that. I got the finger (and a warning)!
Quote from: renegade on October 11, 2021, 11:20:13 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 10, 2021, 09:43:30 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 10, 2021, 07:48:40 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 10, 2021, 07:36:59 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 10, 2021, 05:16:17 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on October 10, 2021, 05:09:53 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 09, 2021, 05:39:43 PM
This guy is seriously back for more ridicule after the Haunted thread fiasco?
Yes, I'm amazed (well not really) that he keeps coming back for more ridicule. (I did catch some of the Haunted thread fiasco before it went to forum purgatory)
Seems you didn't, it was such a spooky thread that it disappeared like a ghost! I might be able to offer you some low quality grainy images as proof that it existed.
Wow. The thread didn't just get locked, but it got deleted? That doesn't happen very often. It must have gotten really crazy in there between the time I saw it for the last time and when someone pulled the plug on it.
I'd love to see the mods' explanation for this and what prompted the decision. (There's my occasional call for more transparency).
It was just a total cluster f%^} from my own observation as someone who was part of that thread. Lots of insults were hurled back and forth amid the backdrop of Illinois roadways somehow being haunted/not flat. Suffice to say there was almost nothing (being generous) of value in said thread.
They weren't even particularly good or entertaining insults.
Oh, I don't know about that. I got the finger (and a warning)!
I used what might have been the least scathing sounding insult ever in failed attempt to reason with Lord Car Horn.
Is it true that in some counties in Illinois, the greatest change in elevation is the difference between the tops of the corn stalks and the soybeans in the next field?
Quote from: GaryV on October 11, 2021, 12:48:23 PM
Is it true that in some counties in Illinois, the greatest change in elevation is the difference between the tops of the corn stalks and the soybeans in the next field?
In 2, 65, and 99 counties, yes.
Quote from: thspfc on October 11, 2021, 04:08:11 PM
In 2, 65, and 99 counties, yes.
In 10, 2 and 4 counties, this bottle of Dr. Pepper went flat.
(https://d2j6dbq0eux0bg.cloudfront.net/images/20346225/1385364037.jpg)
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 11, 2021, 11:51:30 AM
Lord Car Horn.
See, that made me laugh. I suggest making it Lord Carhorn without the space, because that makes it look more like the name of some minor English noble.
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 11, 2021, 07:55:21 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 11, 2021, 11:51:30 AM
Lord Car Horn.
See, that made me laugh. I suggest making it Lord Carhorn without the space, because that makes it look more like the name of some minor English noble.
Personally, seeing it stylized as Lord Carhorn instantly reminded me of Lord Farquaad (RIP).
Quote from: plain on October 10, 2021, 10:23:40 PM
Quote from: bing101 on October 10, 2021, 06:01:04 PM
Quote from: US 89 on October 10, 2021, 02:47:09 AM
(https://www.disruptivegeo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/US_FlatIndex_Lambert_Pct_VF_article.jpg)
That's interesting to see California more flat than New York State. But I can see why too given that the Central Valley contributes to the Golden States flatness and parts of the Mojave Desert can give that perception.
Also Upstate New York has the Appalachian mountains that make the state less flat.
Curious to see Alaska's and Hawaii's rank.
Illinois & South Carolina is flatter than Delaware?? That's a shock to me.
I don't see 50 on the map, so I'm presuming that's Alaska. What other number is missing? That would be Hawaii.
DC is labeled, and the numbers go up to 49. Alaska and Hawaii were excluded from the analysis entirely.
51 is missing
Illinois is as flat as a pancake.
I don't know why I thought of this now but the OP (Lorn Carhorn) said something about all Gen-Xers being the same in the Haunted thread. Does this imply that the OP is a rage filled anti-flat Millennial? If so, how very against the grain on generational norms. I'll leave that to everyone's interpretation if that means the rage or flat tropes.
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 11, 2021, 08:58:18 PM
Illinois is as flat as a pancake.
No it's not. Otherwise the Ozarks wouldn't have been extended.
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but one thing in Illinois that definitely isn't flat is our governor. Whether you're a supporter of his or not, you have to admit, it's true.
Quote from: Mapmikey on October 11, 2021, 08:58:08 PM
51 is missing
Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa, or US Virgin Islands. These places although technically territories of the United States are not ranked too for various reasons.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on October 12, 2021, 09:22:41 AM
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but one thing in Illinois that definitely isn't flat is our governor. Whether you're a supporter of his or not, you have to admit, it's true.
I call him Pork Chops lol he has about three chins and more rolls than a bakery.
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 12, 2021, 07:41:41 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on October 12, 2021, 09:22:41 AM
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but one thing in Illinois that definitely isn't flat is our governor. Whether you're a supporter of his or not, you have to admit, it's true.
I call him Pork Chops lol he has about three chins and more rolls than a bakery.
Doesn't sound flat to me, therefore it is only logical to conclude Illinois isn't flat.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 12, 2021, 08:28:57 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 12, 2021, 07:41:41 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on October 12, 2021, 09:22:41 AM
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but one thing in Illinois that definitely isn't flat is our governor. Whether you're a supporter of his or not, you have to admit, it's true.
I call him Pork Chops lol he has about three chins and more rolls than a bakery.
Doesn't sound flat to me, therefore it is only logical to conclude Illinois isn't flat.
I guess it isn't considering J.B.'s multiple chins and stomachs.
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 06:48:51 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 12, 2021, 08:28:57 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 12, 2021, 07:41:41 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on October 12, 2021, 09:22:41 AM
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but one thing in Illinois that definitely isn't flat is our governor. Whether you're a supporter of his or not, you have to admit, it's true.
I call him Pork Chops lol he has about three chins and more rolls than a bakery.
Doesn't sound flat to me, therefore it is only logical to conclude Illinois isn't flat.
I guess it isn't considering J.B.'s multiple chins and stomachs.
Are the multiple chins flat? If they aren't, then Illinois isn't flat...only logical.
Quote from: US 89 on October 10, 2021, 02:47:09 AM
(https://www.disruptivegeo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/US_FlatIndex_Lambert_Pct_VF_article.jpg)
It's interesting to see that Iowa is ranked lower than Texas. After driving around Iowa this past weekend, I can see why. That's what inspired this thought:
Quote from: paulthemapguy on October 10, 2021, 08:49:52 PM
If we're comparing Iowa and Illinois, Iowa has the Loess Hills, while Illinois has less hills. :D
If Hawaii and Alaska were on the rankings it would beat some parts of the mainland for least flat state. Ill admit Hawaii will beat California given that Hawaii has less flat parts due to its terrain influenced by volcanoes. Also it has some of the best scenic roads too like Road to Hana in Maui or the scenic drive on Big Island they give CA-1 a run for its money.
Same for Alaska though. It would have to be the least flat state too.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 11, 2021, 11:51:30 AM
Quote from: renegade on October 11, 2021, 11:20:13 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 10, 2021, 09:43:30 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 10, 2021, 07:48:40 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 10, 2021, 07:36:59 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 10, 2021, 05:16:17 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on October 10, 2021, 05:09:53 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 09, 2021, 05:39:43 PM
This guy is seriously back for more ridicule after the Haunted thread fiasco?
Yes, I'm amazed (well not really) that he keeps coming back for more ridicule. (I did catch some of the Haunted thread fiasco before it went to forum purgatory)
Seems you didn't, it was such a spooky thread that it disappeared like a ghost! I might be able to offer you some low quality grainy images as proof that it existed.
Wow. The thread didn't just get locked, but it got deleted? That doesn't happen very often. It must have gotten really crazy in there between the time I saw it for the last time and when someone pulled the plug on it.
I'd love to see the mods' explanation for this and what prompted the decision. (There's my occasional call for more transparency).
It was just a total cluster f%^} from my own observation as someone who was part of that thread. Lots of insults were hurled back and forth amid the backdrop of Illinois roadways somehow being haunted/not flat. Suffice to say there was almost nothing (being generous) of value in said thread.
They weren't even particularly good or entertaining insults.
Oh, I don't know about that. I got the finger (and a warning)!
I used what might have been the least scathing sounding insult ever in failed attempt to reason with Lord Car Horn.
Lord Car Horn something to think about. :-D
The Dobson study on flattest states also included a map of the flattest areas. Unfortunately, I was unable to find a higher resolution image:
(https://www.tandfonline.com/na101/home/literatum/publisher/tandf/journals/content/utgr20/2014/utgr20.v104.i01/j.1931-0846.2014.12001.x/20191104/images/large/utgr_a_12072482_f0003_ob.jpeg)
I had no idea just how flat the Red River area of ND/MN was. That certainly explains the high flatness rankings of those states. Crash-It can find peace in the fact that Grand Forks, North Dakota is flatter than Chicago.
There is only one neighborhood in Chicago that has hills and that's the Beverly neighborhood on the Southside.
Illinois isn't just funny, it is hill areas.
(I'll see myself out...)
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 08:23:26 PM
There is only one neighborhood in Chicago that has hills and that's the Beverly neighborhood on the Southside.
More than that, Ashburn, Austin, Craigin, Dunning Gresham, and Roseland also have hilly sections.
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 08:23:26 PM
There is only one neighborhood in Chicago that has hills and that's the Beverly neighborhood on the Southside.
Once you leave the Chicago city limits, you are surrounded by Hickory Hills, Palos Hills, Lake in the Hills, Hillside, Clarendon Hills, Mount Prospect, Vernon Hills, Chicago Heights, Palos Heights, Harwood Heights, Woodridge, Park Ridge, and Burr Ridge. Oh, and one flat suburb, Des Plaines.
Quote from: Dougtone on October 13, 2021, 08:24:49 PM
Illinois isn't just funny, it is hill areas.
(I'll see myself out...)
Excellent
Quote from: Rick Powell on October 14, 2021, 10:23:41 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 08:23:26 PM
There is only one neighborhood in Chicago that has hills and that's the Beverly neighborhood on the Southside.
Once you leave the Chicago city limits, you are surrounded by Hickory Hills, Palos Hills, Lake in the Hills, Hillside, Clarendon Hills, Mount Prospect, Vernon Hills, Chicago Heights, Palos Heights, Harwood Heights, Woodridge, Park Ridge, and Burr Ridge. Oh, and one flat suburb, Des Plaines.
Funny you mention that, because all of those suburbs have slightly hilly terrain except for Des Plaines.Kane and McHenry counties are the hilliest in the area with elevations reaching 1000ft in some areas and even steep grade warning signs.
521 E Main St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/7URqZUbEauJZah8b8
I noticed a certain "someone" just discovered the wider road world. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Crash_It on October 14, 2021, 01:16:33 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 08:23:26 PM
There is only one neighborhood in Chicago that has hills and that's the Beverly neighborhood on the Southside.
More than that, Ashburn, Austin, Craigin, Dunning Gresham, and Roseland also have hilly sections.
No they don't.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 15, 2021, 10:14:08 AM
I noticed a certain "someone" just discovered the wider road world. :rolleyes:
And, my oh my, that certain someone received a nice smackdown.
Quote from: cl94 on October 15, 2021, 02:50:00 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 15, 2021, 10:14:08 AM
I noticed a certain "someone" just discovered the wider road world. :rolleyes:
And, my oh my, that certain someone received a nice smackdown.
Was inevitable once the bear was poked via not cropping the dashboard/hood out. :poke:
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 15, 2021, 02:34:55 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 14, 2021, 01:16:33 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 08:23:26 PM
There is only one neighborhood in Chicago that has hills and that's the Beverly neighborhood on the Southside.
More than that, Ashburn, Austin, Craigin, Dunning Gresham, and Roseland also have hilly sections.
No they don't.
Yes they do..
Ashburn/Gresham border
2251 W 87th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6)
Roseland
125 E 115th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8)
Austin/ Dunning border
6255 W Bloomingdale Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA (https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA)
Cragin
2253 N Long Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9)
Even 119th Street in Morgan Park is has some slopes..
2213 119th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57)
Do these hills have ghosts? :wow:
Quote from: Crash_It on October 15, 2021, 04:47:43 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 15, 2021, 02:34:55 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 14, 2021, 01:16:33 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 08:23:26 PM
There is only one neighborhood in Chicago that has hills and that's the Beverly neighborhood on the Southside.
More than that, Ashburn, Austin, Craigin, Dunning Gresham, and Roseland also have hilly sections.
No they don't.
Yes they do..
Ashburn/Gresham border
2251 W 87th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6)
Roseland
125 E 115th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8)
Austin/ Dunning border
6255 W Bloomingdale Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA (https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA)
Cragin
2253 N Long Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9)
Even 119th Street in Morgan Park is has some slopes..
2213 119th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57)
None of that consists of any hilly section. What are you talking about?
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 16, 2021, 07:06:51 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 15, 2021, 04:47:43 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 15, 2021, 02:34:55 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 14, 2021, 01:16:33 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 08:23:26 PM
There is only one neighborhood in Chicago that has hills and that's the Beverly neighborhood on the Southside.
More than that, Ashburn, Austin, Craigin, Dunning Gresham, and Roseland also have hilly sections.
No they don't.
Yes they do..
Ashburn/Gresham border
2251 W 87th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6)
Roseland
125 E 115th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8)
Austin/ Dunning border
6255 W Bloomingdale Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA (https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA)
Cragin
2253 N Long Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9)
Even 119th Street in Morgan Park is has some slopes..
2213 119th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57)
None of that consists of any hilly section. What are you talking about?
All of those locations are hills, just a bit difficult to see in a picture. The location on 87th St even had a steep grade sign until graffiti forced it to be removed.
Quote from: Crash_It on October 15, 2021, 04:47:43 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 15, 2021, 02:34:55 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 14, 2021, 01:16:33 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 08:23:26 PM
There is only one neighborhood in Chicago that has hills and that's the Beverly neighborhood on the Southside.
More than that, Ashburn, Austin, Craigin, Dunning Gresham, and Roseland also have hilly sections.
No they don't.
Yes they do..
Ashburn/Gresham border
2251 W 87th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6)
Roseland
125 E 115th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8)
Austin/ Dunning border
6255 W Bloomingdale Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA (https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA)
Cragin
2253 N Long Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9)
Even 119th Street in Morgan Park is has some slopes..
2213 119th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57)
None of those are hills.
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Quote from: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 08:23:26 PM
There is only one neighborhood in Chicago that has hills and that's the Beverly neighborhood on the Southside.
More than that, Ashburn, Austin, Craigin, Dunning Gresham, and Roseland also have hilly sections.
No they don't.
Yes they do..
Ashburn/Gresham border
2251 W 87th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6)
Roseland
125 E 115th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8)
Austin/ Dunning border
6255 W Bloomingdale Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA (https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA)
Cragin
2253 N Long Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9)
Even 119th Street in Morgan Park is has some slopes..
2213 119th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57)
None of those are hills.
They are mountains that are haunted with spooky ghosts. How can you not see that you are basically looking at the Rockies?
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Quote from: Flint1979 on October 15, 2021, 02:34:55 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 14, 2021, 01:16:33 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 08:23:26 PM
There is only one neighborhood in Chicago that has hills and that's the Beverly neighborhood on the Southside.
More than that, Ashburn, Austin, Craigin, Dunning Gresham, and Roseland also have hilly sections.
No they don't.
Yes they do..
Ashburn/Gresham border
2251 W 87th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6)
Roseland
125 E 115th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8)
Austin/ Dunning border
6255 W Bloomingdale Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA (https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA)
Cragin
2253 N Long Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9)
Even 119th Street in Morgan Park is has some slopes..
2213 119th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57)
None of those are hills.
They are mountains that are haunted with spooky ghosts. How can you not see that you are basically looking at the Rockies?
Something something southern Illinois something
Quote from: Crash_It on October 15, 2021, 04:47:43 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 15, 2021, 02:34:55 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 14, 2021, 01:16:33 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 08:23:26 PM
There is only one neighborhood in Chicago that has hills and that's the Beverly neighborhood on the Southside.
More than that, Ashburn, Austin, Craigin, Dunning Gresham, and Roseland also have hilly sections.
No they don't.
Yes they do..
Ashburn/Gresham border
2251 W 87th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6)
Roseland
125 E 115th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8)
Austin/ Dunning border
6255 W Bloomingdale Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA (https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA)
Cragin
2253 N Long Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9)
Even 119th Street in Morgan Park is has some slopes..
2213 119th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57)
None of those are really "hills" or anything of significance. It's laughable.
It's like if I said the eastern part of Virginia is "not flat" because a few rolling hills exist here and there. It's still majority flat.
You know what's laughable? How much not cropping your dashboard and hood can really come back to haunt you regarding drawing shade on "certain" Facebook sites.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 16, 2021, 11:56:06 AM
You know what's laughable? How much not cropping your dashboard and hood can really come back to haunt you regarding drawing shade on "certain" Facebook sites.
I'm not aware what happened. You keep mentioning it, but I haven't seen anything like this.
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Quote from: Flint1979 on October 15, 2021, 02:34:55 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 14, 2021, 01:16:33 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 08:23:26 PM
There is only one neighborhood in Chicago that has hills and that's the Beverly neighborhood on the Southside.
More than that, Ashburn, Austin, Craigin, Dunning Gresham, and Roseland also have hilly sections.
No they don't.
Yes they do..
Ashburn/Gresham border
2251 W 87th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6)
Roseland
125 E 115th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8)
Austin/ Dunning border
6255 W Bloomingdale Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA (https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA)
Cragin
2253 N Long Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9)
Even 119th Street in Morgan Park is has some slopes..
2213 119th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57)
None of that consists of any hilly section. What are you talking about?
All of those locations are hills, just a bit difficult to see in a picture. The location on 87th St even had a steep grade sign until graffiti forced it to be removed.
Dude I'm very familiar with the Chicago area and have been all my life, those are not hills, not in GSV or seeing it in person. Beverly is the only neighborhood with hills in Chicago.
Quote from: Crash_It on October 15, 2021, 04:47:43 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 15, 2021, 02:34:55 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 14, 2021, 01:16:33 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 08:23:26 PM
There is only one neighborhood in Chicago that has hills and that's the Beverly neighborhood on the Southside.
More than that, Ashburn, Austin, Craigin, Dunning Gresham, and Roseland also have hilly sections.
No they don't.
Yes they do..
Ashburn/Gresham border
2251 W 87th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6)
Roseland
125 E 115th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8)
Austin/ Dunning border
6255 W Bloomingdale Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA (https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA)
Cragin
2253 N Long Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9)
Even 119th Street in Morgan Park is has some slopes..
2213 119th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57)
Ok the first example you gave was just north of the neighborhood that I had already said had hills as the only neighborhood to have hills (Beverly) that's the border between Ashburn and Beverly, you proved nothing there.
The second one is just a hump in the road there aren't any other hills in the area.
The third one is the same as the second one, just a hump in the road with no other hills in the area.
The fourth one has no hill at all.
The fifth one, whoopie the street changes elevation slightly with no significant hills in the area.
EDIT: The fifth one isn't even in Chicago, it's in Blue Island.
Seattle is hilly. Chicago is not.
The only way to end the debate over how flat Illinois is go look for subduction zones, plate boundaries and earthquake faults in the area.
In able for hills and mountains to form there needs to be either a thrust fault, subduction fault and a strike slip fault in the area. Also these areas need to be as active as the San Andreas, Hayward, and Cascadia faults if one wants to have more hills in the area.
Wabash, Reelfoot and New Madrid would need more 6.9 and above earthquakes and need to be more active than even the San Andreas fault over millions of years if Illinois is to become more scenic than it is today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabash_Valley_Seismic_Zone
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Madrid_Seismic_Zone
https://www.usgs.gov/natural-hazards/earthquake-hazards/science/geologic-cracks-record-earthquakes-reelfoot-fault-central?qt-science_center_objects=0#qt-science_center_objects
Quote from: bing101 on October 16, 2021, 04:43:38 PM
The only way to end the debate over how flat Illinois is go look for subduction zones, plate boundaries and earthquake faults in the area.
In able for hills and mountains to form there needs to be either a thrust fault, subduction fault and a strike slip fault in the area. Also these areas need to be as active as the San Andreas, Hayward, and Cascadia faults if one wants to have more hills in the area.
Wabash, Reelfoot and New Madrid would need more 6.9 and above earthquakes and need to be more active than even the San Andreas fault over millions of years if Illinois is to become more scenic than it is today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabash_Valley_Seismic_Zone
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Madrid_Seismic_Zone
https://www.usgs.gov/natural-hazards/earthquake-hazards/science/geologic-cracks-record-earthquakes-reelfoot-fault-central?qt-science_center_objects=0#qt-science_center_objects
Illinois is so not flat that it appears to be flat. I've heard tale that if you were to stand on Olympus Mons you would witness a similar effect due to the sheer size of the volcano.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 16, 2021, 11:56:06 AM
You know what's laughable? How much not cropping your dashboard and hood can really come back to haunt you regarding drawing shade on "certain" Facebook sites.
I'm not aware what happened. You keep mentioning it, but I haven't seen anything like this.
This is an obvious reference to Jim Georges' "Freewayjim" Facebook group. But I'm not certain where the previously-referenced smackdown occurred. Did it happen in the FWJ group or on another board in this forum?
Quote from: hbelkins on October 16, 2021, 07:27:25 PM
Quote from: 1 on October 16, 2021, 12:24:53 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 16, 2021, 11:56:06 AM
You know what's laughable? How much not cropping your dashboard and hood can really come back to haunt you regarding drawing shade on "certain" Facebook sites.
I'm not aware what happened. You keep mentioning it, but I haven't seen anything like this.
This is an obvious reference to Jim Georges' "Freewayjim" Facebook group. But I'm not certain where the previously-referenced smackdown occurred. Did it happen in the FWJ group or on another board in this forum?
In the FWJ group. Knowing Jim's extreme zero-tolerance toward not following his rules, he or his mods probably deleted the post shortly after the smackdown.
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 16, 2021, 01:12:16 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 15, 2021, 04:47:43 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 15, 2021, 02:34:55 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 14, 2021, 01:16:33 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 08:23:26 PM
There is only one neighborhood in Chicago that has hills and that's the Beverly neighborhood on the Southside.
More than that, Ashburn, Austin, Craigin, Dunning Gresham, and Roseland also have hilly sections.
No they don't.
Yes they do..
Ashburn/Gresham border
2251 W 87th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6)
Roseland
125 E 115th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8)
Austin/ Dunning border
6255 W Bloomingdale Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA (https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA)
Cragin
2253 N Long Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9)
Even 119th Street in Morgan Park is has some slopes..
2213 119th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57)
Ok the first example you gave was just north of the neighborhood that I had already said had hills as the only neighborhood to have hills (Beverly) that's the border between Ashburn and Beverly, you proved nothing there.
The second one is just a hump in the road there aren't any other hills in the area.
The third one is the same as the second one, just a hump in the road with no other hills in the area.
The fourth one has no hill at all.
The fifth one, whoopie the street changes elevation slightly with no significant hills in the area.
EDIT: The fifth one isn't even in Chicago, it's in Blue Island.
The fifth one is Chicago, it's the Morgan Park community area. If you were familiar with Chicago you would know which areas have hills or changes in elevation.
For comparison: As for something that's actually not flat (in Massachusetts), start here (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7742015,-71.1366741,3a,75y,289h,77.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ss3zqrq08_tPIVMQRJieflQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) and continue to the next intersection. Up 200 feet in ½ mile.
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If you were familiar with Chicago you would know which areas have hills or changes in elevation.
You live in the Chicago area and you clearly don't know which areas have hills, if any do at all.
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Quote from: Flint1979 on October 16, 2021, 01:12:16 PM
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Quote from: Flint1979 on October 15, 2021, 02:34:55 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 14, 2021, 01:16:33 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 08:23:26 PM
There is only one neighborhood in Chicago that has hills and that's the Beverly neighborhood on the Southside.
More than that, Ashburn, Austin, Craigin, Dunning Gresham, and Roseland also have hilly sections.
No they don't.
Yes they do..
Ashburn/Gresham border
2251 W 87th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6)
Roseland
125 E 115th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8)
Austin/ Dunning border
6255 W Bloomingdale Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA (https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA)
Cragin
2253 N Long Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9)
Even 119th Street in Morgan Park is has some slopes..
2213 119th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57)
Ok the first example you gave was just north of the neighborhood that I had already said had hills as the only neighborhood to have hills (Beverly) that's the border between Ashburn and Beverly, you proved nothing there.
The second one is just a hump in the road there aren't any other hills in the area.
The third one is the same as the second one, just a hump in the road with no other hills in the area.
The fourth one has no hill at all.
The fifth one, whoopie the street changes elevation slightly with no significant hills in the area.
EDIT: The fifth one isn't even in Chicago, it's in Blue Island.
The fifth one is Chicago, it's the Morgan Park community area. If you were familiar with Chicago you would know which areas have hills or changes in elevation.
119th Street is the border between Chicago and Blue Island. And LMAO @ calling it community area, Morgan Park is a neighborhood in Chicago. There's no if I was familiar with Chicago, it's I am familiar with Chicago. You live in Chicago and don't know this stuff you are questioning me on. If you know so much about this tell me where the highest elevation in Chicago is and how many feet above sea level it is. And also tell me what neighborhood it's in because everything you keep saying here circles back to the Beverly neighborhood which is the neighborhood that I acknowledged as the only neighborhood in the city of Chicago to have hills.
Quote from: thspfc on October 17, 2021, 08:48:20 AM
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If you were familiar with Chicago you would know which areas have hills or changes in elevation.
You live in the Chicago area and you clearly don't know which areas have hills, if any do at all.
Yes I do. Anything from Western Lake County onward gets hilly, especially Kane and McHenry counties. Elevations in both those counties reach 1000ft in areas. The Cook county panhandle can also get quite hilly. A drive down IL68 or 62 will reveal that.
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 17, 2021, 10:18:54 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 16, 2021, 09:10:57 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 16, 2021, 01:12:16 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 15, 2021, 04:47:43 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 15, 2021, 02:34:55 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 14, 2021, 01:16:33 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 13, 2021, 08:23:26 PM
There is only one neighborhood in Chicago that has hills and that's the Beverly neighborhood on the Southside.
More than that, Ashburn, Austin, Craigin, Dunning Gresham, and Roseland also have hilly sections.
No they don't.
Yes they do..
Ashburn/Gresham border
2251 W 87th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6)
Roseland
125 E 115th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8)
Austin/ Dunning border
6255 W Bloomingdale Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA (https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA)
Cragin
2253 N Long Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9)
Even 119th Street in Morgan Park is has some slopes..
2213 119th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57)
Ok the first example you gave was just north of the neighborhood that I had already said had hills as the only neighborhood to have hills (Beverly) that's the border between Ashburn and Beverly, you proved nothing there.
The second one is just a hump in the road there aren't any other hills in the area.
The third one is the same as the second one, just a hump in the road with no other hills in the area.
The fourth one has no hill at all.
The fifth one, whoopie the street changes elevation slightly with no significant hills in the area.
EDIT: The fifth one isn't even in Chicago, it's in Blue Island.
The fifth one is Chicago, it's the Morgan Park community area. If you were familiar with Chicago you would know which areas have hills or changes in elevation.
119th Street is the border between Chicago and Blue Island. And LMAO @ calling it community area, Morgan Park is a neighborhood in Chicago. There's no if I was familiar with Chicago, it's I am familiar with Chicago. You live in Chicago and don't know this stuff you are questioning me on. If you know so much about this tell me where the highest elevation in Chicago is and how many feet above sea level it is. And also tell me what neighborhood it's in because everything you keep saying here circles back to the Beverly neighborhood which is the neighborhood that I acknowledged as the only neighborhood in the city of Chicago to have hills.
There are community areas and neighborhoods in Chicago... For example, Wicker Park is in the West Town and a small portion of the Logan Square community areas. The Bronzeville neighborhood is spread out across the Douglas, Grand Boulevard and a small portion of the Oakland community areas and finally..West Haven is a neighborhood in the Near West Side community area.
I'm seeing that you aren't getting quite the response with the anti-Texas rant you were hoping for.
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If you were familiar with Chicago you would know which areas have hills or changes in elevation.
You live in the Chicago area and you clearly don't know which areas have hills, if any do at all.
Yes I do. Anything from Western Lake County onward gets hilly, especially Kane and McHenry counties. Elevations in both those counties reach 1000ft in areas. The Cook county panhandle can also get quite hilly. A drive down IL68 or 62 will reveal that.
https://www.abc57.com/news/the-chance-of-a-major-earthquake-in-or-near-indiana-may-surprise-you (https://www.abc57.com/news/the-chance-of-a-major-earthquake-in-or-near-indiana-may-surprise-you)https://dailynorthwestern.com/2019/10/06/city/scientists-examine-illinois-earthquake-risk/
The most scenic areas are the ones with earthquake faults.
Can You name the earthquake fault that runs under Chicago? The only way Chicago can have hills if you can identify the active earthquake fault in the area and run inside the city limits.
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Quote from: thspfc on October 17, 2021, 08:48:20 AM
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If you were familiar with Chicago you would know which areas have hills or changes in elevation.
You live in the Chicago area and you clearly don't know which areas have hills, if any do at all.
Yes I do. Anything from Western Lake County onward gets hilly, especially Kane and McHenry counties. Elevations in both those counties reach 1000ft in areas. The Cook county panhandle can also get quite hilly. A drive down IL68 or 62 will reveal that.
I have been to and driven through almost every corner of McHenry County, and remember seeing a grand total of one hill.
Stop it with the "elevation change" garbage. Did you know that western Nebraska is about 4,000 feet higher in elevation than eastern Nebraska? Nebraska reaches elevations of over 5,000 feet. Nebraska is flat, I'm sure you would agree?
I think you're trolling.
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Quote from: Crash_It on October 17, 2021, 10:19:42 AMQuote from: thspfc on October 17, 2021, 08:48:20 AMQuote
If you were familiar with Chicago you would know which areas have hills or changes in elevation.
You live in the Chicago area and you clearly don't know which areas have hills, if any do at all.
Yes I do. Anything from Western Lake County onward gets hilly, especially Kane and McHenry counties. Elevations in both those counties reach 1000ft in areas. The Cook county panhandle can also get quite hilly. A drive down IL68 or 62 will reveal that.
https://www.abc57.com/news/the-chance-of-a-major-earthquake-in-or-near-indiana-may-surprise-you (https://www.abc57.com/news/the-chance-of-a-major-earthquake-in-or-near-indiana-may-surprise-you)
https://dailynorthwestern.com/2019/10/06/city/scientists-examine-illinois-earthquake-risk/
The most scenic areas are the ones with earthquake faults.
Can You name the earthquake fault that runs under Chicago? The only way Chicago can have hills if you can identify the active earthquake fault in the area and run inside the city limits.
There are hills in my area without active earthquake faults. (There are inactive ones, and there are hills that have nothing to do with faults at all.)
Quote from: thspfc on October 17, 2021, 02:20:26 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 17, 2021, 10:19:42 AM
Quote from: thspfc on October 17, 2021, 08:48:20 AM
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If you were familiar with Chicago you would know which areas have hills or changes in elevation.
You live in the Chicago area and you clearly don't know which areas have hills, if any do at all.
Yes I do. Anything from Western Lake County onward gets hilly, especially Kane and McHenry counties. Elevations in both those counties reach 1000ft in areas. The Cook county panhandle can also get quite hilly. A drive down IL68 or 62 will reveal that.
I have been to and driven through almost every corner of McHenry County, and remember seeing a grand total of one hill.
Stop it with the "elevation change" garbage. Did you know that western Nebraska is about 4,000 feet higher in elevation than eastern Nebraska? Nebraska reaches elevations of over 5,000 feet. Nebraska is flat, I'm sure you would agree?
I think you're trolling.
No, this guy really believes the things he says and such a Illinois homer that all logic goes out the window.
Quote from: 1 on October 17, 2021, 02:24:10 PM
Quote from: bing101 on October 17, 2021, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 17, 2021, 10:19:42 AMQuote from: thspfc on October 17, 2021, 08:48:20 AMQuote
If you were familiar with Chicago you would know which areas have hills or changes in elevation.
You live in the Chicago area and you clearly don't know which areas have hills, if any do at all.
Yes I do. Anything from Western Lake County onward gets hilly, especially Kane and McHenry counties. Elevations in both those counties reach 1000ft in areas. The Cook county panhandle can also get quite hilly. A drive down IL68 or 62 will reveal that.
https://www.abc57.com/news/the-chance-of-a-major-earthquake-in-or-near-indiana-may-surprise-you (https://www.abc57.com/news/the-chance-of-a-major-earthquake-in-or-near-indiana-may-surprise-you)
https://dailynorthwestern.com/2019/10/06/city/scientists-examine-illinois-earthquake-risk/ (https://dailynorthwestern.com/2019/10/06/city/scientists-examine-illinois-earthquake-risk/)
The most scenic areas are the ones with earthquake faults.
Can You name the earthquake fault that runs under Chicago? The only way Chicago can have hills if you can identify the active earthquake fault in the area and run inside the city limits.
There are hills in my area without active earthquake faults. (There are inactive ones, and there are hills that have nothing to do with faults at all.)
"Hills that have nothing to do with Faults" that would be a hard concept for me given that I live in the ring of fire area and visited other places where the pacific ring of fire is active. My guess would be Ice Age landslides and avalanches formed those hills in some areas.
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If you were familiar with Chicago you would know which areas have hills or changes in elevation.
You live in the Chicago area and you clearly don't know which areas have hills, if any do at all.
Yes I do. Anything from Western Lake County onward gets hilly, especially Kane and McHenry counties. Elevations in both those counties reach 1000ft in areas. The Cook county panhandle can also get quite hilly. A drive down IL68 or 62 will reveal that.
I have been to and driven through almost every corner of McHenry County, and remember seeing a grand total of one hill.
Stop it with the "elevation change" garbage. Did you know that western Nebraska is about 4,000 feet higher in elevation than eastern Nebraska? Nebraska reaches elevations of over 5,000 feet. Nebraska is flat, I'm sure you would agree?
I think you're trolling.
No, this guy really believes the things he says and such a Illinois homer that all logic goes out the window.
And even being an Illinois homer he doesn't even know what he's talking about in the first place.
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If you were familiar with Chicago you would know which areas have hills or changes in elevation.
You live in the Chicago area and you clearly don't know which areas have hills, if any do at all.
Yes I do. Anything from Western Lake County onward gets hilly, especially Kane and McHenry counties. Elevations in both those counties reach 1000ft in areas. The Cook county panhandle can also get quite hilly. A drive down IL68 or 62 will reveal that.
I have been to and driven through almost every corner of McHenry County, and remember seeing a grand total of one hill.
Stop it with the "elevation change" garbage. Did you know that western Nebraska is about 4,000 feet higher in elevation than eastern Nebraska? Nebraska reaches elevations of over 5,000 feet. Nebraska is flat, I'm sure you would agree?
I think you're trolling.
No, this guy really believes the things he says and such a Illinois homer that all logic goes out the window.
And even being an Illinois homer he doesn't even know what he's talking about in the first place.
Kind of makes you wonder what having an unbreakable level of self assurance feels like doesn't it? I just want to be able to taste that feeling once in my life that everyone is wrong but me. What a glorious delusion to live in, unflappable to the end.
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If you were familiar with Chicago you would know which areas have hills or changes in elevation.
You live in the Chicago area and you clearly don't know which areas have hills, if any do at all.
Yes I do. Anything from Western Lake County onward gets hilly, especially Kane and McHenry counties. Elevations in both those counties reach 1000ft in areas. The Cook county panhandle can also get quite hilly. A drive down IL68 or 62 will reveal that.
I have been to and driven through almost every corner of McHenry County, and remember seeing a grand total of one hill.
Stop it with the "elevation change" garbage. Did you know that western Nebraska is about 4,000 feet higher in elevation than eastern Nebraska? Nebraska reaches elevations of over 5,000 feet. Nebraska is flat, I'm sure you would agree?
I think you're trolling.
No, this guy really believes the things he says and such a Illinois homer that all logic goes out the window.
And even being an Illinois homer he doesn't even know what he's talking about in the first place.
Kind of makes you wonder what having an unbreakable level of self assurance feels like doesn't it? I just want to be able to taste that feeling once in my life that everyone is wrong but me. What a glorious delusion to live in, unflappable to the end.
You reminded me of this quote from the Jane Bryne Interchange thread:
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Done by fall 3000. got it.
It'll be done long before your state fixes all it's thousands upon thousands of miles of beat the f*** up roads.
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If you were familiar with Chicago you would know which areas have hills or changes in elevation.
You live in the Chicago area and you clearly don't know which areas have hills, if any do at all.
Yes I do. Anything from Western Lake County onward gets hilly, especially Kane and McHenry counties. Elevations in both those counties reach 1000ft in areas. The Cook county panhandle can also get quite hilly. A drive down IL68 or 62 will reveal that.
I have been to and driven through almost every corner of McHenry County, and remember seeing a grand total of one hill.
Stop it with the "elevation change" garbage. Did you know that western Nebraska is about 4,000 feet higher in elevation than eastern Nebraska? Nebraska reaches elevations of over 5,000 feet. Nebraska is flat, I'm sure you would agree?
I think you're trolling.
No, this guy really believes the things he says and such a Illinois homer that all logic goes out the window.
And even being an Illinois homer he doesn't even know what he's talking about in the first place.
Kind of makes you wonder what having an unbreakable level of self assurance feels like doesn't it? I just want to be able to taste that feeling once in my life that everyone is wrong but me. What a glorious delusion to live in, unflappable to the end.
Yep according to him he is the know all of anything Illinois and anyone that even challenges an attempt to outwit him is wrong and he's right every time lmao. I'm not even sure he knows what a hill is.
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I had no idea just how flat the Red River area of ND/MN was. That certainly explains the high flatness rankings of those states. Crash-It can find peace in the fact that Grand Forks, North Dakota is flatter than Chicago.
Absolutely one of the flattest parts of the country. The only elevation change on I-29 in ND is the occasional overpass... yes, literally. I'm surprised it doesn't get mentioned more often in the "most boring roads" conversations, but I suppose it just isn't as well-known as the I-70's and I-80's of the world.
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If you were familiar with Chicago you would know which areas have hills or changes in elevation.
You live in the Chicago area and you clearly don't know which areas have hills, if any do at all.
Yes I do. Anything from Western Lake County onward gets hilly, especially Kane and McHenry counties. Elevations in both those counties reach 1000ft in areas. The Cook county panhandle can also get quite hilly. A drive down IL68 or 62 will reveal that.
I have been to and driven through almost every corner of McHenry County, and remember seeing a grand total of one hill.
Stop it with the "elevation change" garbage. Did you know that western Nebraska is about 4,000 feet higher in elevation than eastern Nebraska? Nebraska reaches elevations of over 5,000 feet. Nebraska is flat, I'm sure you would agree?
I think you're trolling.
No, this guy really believes the things he says and such a Illinois homer that all logic goes out the window.
And even being an Illinois homer he doesn't even know what he's talking about in the first place.
Kind of makes you wonder what having an unbreakable level of self assurance feels like doesn't it? I just want to be able to taste that feeling once in my life that everyone is wrong but me. What a glorious delusion to live in, unflappable to the end.
Yep according to him he is the know all of anything Illinois and anyone that even challenges an attempt to outwit him is wrong and he's right every time lmao. I'm not even sure he knows what a hill is.
FWIW I don't think Crash has ever actually managed to outwit anyone on this forum. He isn't off to the greatest start in doing so on FWJ either. The site admin has seen through his "logic" a couple times already. If he can't whip up the masses into a frenzy on a more entry level site like FWJ his rebranding effort converting everything from Crash_it to Let's Ride Illinois will be for naught.
Then again, I don't think that the OP understands the road community and sensationalism laden cammer community aren't one in the same.
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FWIW I don't think Crash has ever actually managed to outwit anyone on this forum. He isn't off to the greatest start in doing so on FWJ either. The site admin has seen through his "logic" a couple times already. If he can't whip up the masses into a frenzy on a more entry level site like FWJ his rebranding effort converting everything from Crash_it to Let's Ride Illinois will be for naught.
Then again, I don't think that the OP understands the road community and sensationalism laden cammer community aren't one in the same.
I happened on his I-180 and latest road rage offerings in FWJ today. Suffice it to say he's getting about the same ratio there as he does here.
Tonight's video premiere convinced me that Illinois is the most scenic state in the country. I don't know how I had missed beautiful Mount Chicago on previous visits, but it was front and center in Crash_It's video!
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Tonight's video premiere convinced me that Illinois is the most scenic state in the country. I don't know how I had missed beautiful Mount Chicago on previous visits, but it was front and center in Crash_It's video!
I heard it was so convincing and epic that comments were turned off. It's not like they were needed amid the mountainous splendor that is Illinois.
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If you were familiar with Chicago you would know which areas have hills or changes in elevation.
You live in the Chicago area and you clearly don't know which areas have hills, if any do at all.
Yes I do. Anything from Western Lake County onward gets hilly, especially Kane and McHenry counties. Elevations in both those counties reach 1000ft in areas. The Cook county panhandle can also get quite hilly. A drive down IL68 or 62 will reveal that.
https://www.abc57.com/news/the-chance-of-a-major-earthquake-in-or-near-indiana-may-surprise-you (https://www.abc57.com/news/the-chance-of-a-major-earthquake-in-or-near-indiana-may-surprise-you)
https://dailynorthwestern.com/2019/10/06/city/scientists-examine-illinois-earthquake-risk/
The most scenic areas are the ones with earthquake faults.
Can You name the earthquake fault that runs under Chicago? The only way Chicago can have hills if you can identify the active earthquake fault in the area and run inside the city limits.
There is no fault underneath Chicago, unless you count the Wabash fault from downstate which I don't think extends this far north (correct me if wrong). The "hilly" terrain around here is due to moraines
http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/1260.html (http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/1260.html)
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You reminded me of this quote from the Jane Bryne Interchange thread:
Quote from: Crash_It on June 16, 2021, 11:47:06 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on June 16, 2021, 07:15:37 AM
Done by fall 3000. got it.
It'll be done long before your state fixes all it's thousands upon thousands of miles of beat the f*** up roads.
Meanwhile, the only tolerable roads in Illinois are the ones that aren't even maintained by the state.
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You reminded me of this quote from the Jane Bryne Interchange thread:
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Quote from: SSOWorld on June 16, 2021, 07:15:37 AM
Done by fall 3000. got it.
It'll be done long before your state fixes all it's thousands upon thousands of miles of beat the f*** up roads.
Meanwhile, the only tolerable roads in Illinois are the ones that aren't even maintained by the state.
Took a lot of guts to belt out that false statement especially when compared to Wisconsin. So many state and county roads there need work it's almost hilarious. They just now got around to resurfacing WIS32 on the southern edge of Kenosha which was 20 years overdue, they still need to get that stretch around the hospital. Many roads in Wisconsin are like that.
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Tonight's video premiere convinced me that Illinois is the most scenic state in the country. I don't know how I had missed beautiful Mount Chicago on previous visits, but it was front and center in Crash_It's video!
I heard it was so convincing and epic that comments were turned off. It's not like they were needed amid the mountainous splendor that is Illinois.
I picture myself sitting high in Rockies looking at Mt. Greenwood.
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There is only one neighborhood in Chicago that has hills and that's the Beverly neighborhood on the Southside.
More than that, Ashburn, Austin, Craigin, Dunning Gresham, and Roseland also have hilly sections.
No they don't.
Yes they do..
Ashburn/Gresham border
2251 W 87th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6)
Roseland
125 E 115th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8)
Austin/ Dunning border
6255 W Bloomingdale Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA (https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA)
Cragin
2253 N Long Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9)
Even 119th Street in Morgan Park is has some slopes..
2213 119th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57)
Backing out of Street View into the regular Google Maps and switching to Terrain for topographic maps doesn't indicate any elevation change gradient to justify even a line on these. Not hilly.
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There is only one neighborhood in Chicago that has hills and that's the Beverly neighborhood on the Southside.
More than that, Ashburn, Austin, Craigin, Dunning Gresham, and Roseland also have hilly sections.
No they don't.
Yes they do..
Ashburn/Gresham border
2251 W 87th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/VETLBC8GTD2ubaCX6)
Roseland
125 E 115th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/FahvW6zEygyQnBFr8)
Austin/ Dunning border
6255 W Bloomingdale Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA (https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyDYArK7nwzuyZ9NA)
Cragin
2253 N Long Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/68eFpjow5HoYqRMp9)
Even 119th Street in Morgan Park is has some slopes..
2213 119th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/NE44SKtoJBkZ18D57)
Backing out of Street View into the regular Google Maps and switching to Terrain for topographic maps doesn't indicate any elevation change gradient to justify even a line on these. Not hilly.
True also you need a 5-6% grade difference to see the difference in elevation. These locations do not look steep at all and has to be less than 1% grade in steepness though.
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If you were familiar with Chicago you would know which areas have hills or changes in elevation.
You live in the Chicago area and you clearly don't know which areas have hills, if any do at all.
Yes I do. Anything from Western Lake County onward gets hilly, especially Kane and McHenry counties. Elevations in both those counties reach 1000ft in areas. The Cook county panhandle can also get quite hilly. A drive down IL68 or 62 will reveal that.
https://www.abc57.com/news/the-chance-of-a-major-earthquake-in-or-near-indiana-may-surprise-you (https://www.abc57.com/news/the-chance-of-a-major-earthquake-in-or-near-indiana-may-surprise-you)
https://dailynorthwestern.com/2019/10/06/city/scientists-examine-illinois-earthquake-risk/ (https://dailynorthwestern.com/2019/10/06/city/scientists-examine-illinois-earthquake-risk/)
The most scenic areas are the ones with earthquake faults.
Can You name the earthquake fault that runs under Chicago? The only way Chicago can have hills if you can identify the active earthquake fault in the area and run inside the city limits.
There is no fault underneath Chicago, unless you count the Wabash fault from downstate which I don't think extends this far north (correct me if wrong). The "hilly" terrain around here is due to moraines
http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/1260.html (http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/1260.html)
True I looked at Chicago's geology is based on glaciers from the Ice Age that made the Great Lakes and Im guessing Ravine in Highland Park is a talking point for hills in Illinois?
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If you were familiar with Chicago you would know which areas have hills or changes in elevation.
You live in the Chicago area and you clearly don't know which areas have hills, if any do at all.
Yes I do. Anything from Western Lake County onward gets hilly, especially Kane and McHenry counties. Elevations in both those counties reach 1000ft in areas. The Cook county panhandle can also get quite hilly. A drive down IL68 or 62 will reveal that.
https://www.abc57.com/news/the-chance-of-a-major-earthquake-in-or-near-indiana-may-surprise-you (https://www.abc57.com/news/the-chance-of-a-major-earthquake-in-or-near-indiana-may-surprise-you)
https://dailynorthwestern.com/2019/10/06/city/scientists-examine-illinois-earthquake-risk/ (https://dailynorthwestern.com/2019/10/06/city/scientists-examine-illinois-earthquake-risk/)
The most scenic areas are the ones with earthquake faults.
Can You name the earthquake fault that runs under Chicago? The only way Chicago can have hills if you can identify the active earthquake fault in the area and run inside the city limits.
There is no fault underneath Chicago, unless you count the Wabash fault from downstate which I don't think extends this far north (correct me if wrong). The "hilly" terrain around here is due to moraines
http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/1260.html (http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/1260.html)
True I looked at Chicago's geology is based on glaciers from the Ice Age that made the Great Lakes and Im guessing Ravine in Highland Park is a talking point for hills in Illinois?
That I believe is the northern extent of the Tinley Moraine. Hills and Illinois only point me towards one area, the Driftless in far NW Illinois.
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If you were familiar with Chicago you would know which areas have hills or changes in elevation.
You live in the Chicago area and you clearly don't know which areas have hills, if any do at all.
Yes I do. Anything from Western Lake County onward gets hilly, especially Kane and McHenry counties. Elevations in both those counties reach 1000ft in areas. The Cook county panhandle can also get quite hilly. A drive down IL68 or 62 will reveal that.
https://www.abc57.com/news/the-chance-of-a-major-earthquake-in-or-near-indiana-may-surprise-you (https://www.abc57.com/news/the-chance-of-a-major-earthquake-in-or-near-indiana-may-surprise-you)
https://dailynorthwestern.com/2019/10/06/city/scientists-examine-illinois-earthquake-risk/ (https://dailynorthwestern.com/2019/10/06/city/scientists-examine-illinois-earthquake-risk/)
The most scenic areas are the ones with earthquake faults.
Can You name the earthquake fault that runs under Chicago? The only way Chicago can have hills if you can identify the active earthquake fault in the area and run inside the city limits.
There is no fault underneath Chicago, unless you count the Wabash fault from downstate which I don't think extends this far north (correct me if wrong). The "hilly" terrain around here is due to moraines
http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/1260.html (http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/1260.html)
True I looked at Chicago's geology is based on glaciers from the Ice Age that made the Great Lakes and Im guessing Ravine in Highland Park is a talking point for hills in Illinois?
That I believe is the northern extent of the Tinley Moraine. Hills and Illinois only point me towards one area, the Driftless in far NW Illinois.
A quick drive into McHenry, LaSalle or even Western Lake County would prove that statement to be false.
I wanted to check for myself where the highest point in the state is, and it stands at only 1200 feet tall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Mound). Pretty flat (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.503961,-90.2536577,3a,75y,90.67h,89.5t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D272.88492%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) if you ask me.
Of course, terrain can be hilly, but that's true of pretty much everywhere. You won't get 100% level terrain anywhere.
I want to hear more about how bridges on the Chicago Skyway factor into Illinois not being flat.
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I wanted to check for myself where the highest point in the state is, and it stands at only 1200 feet tall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Mound). Pretty flat (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.503961,-90.2536577,3a,75y,90.67h,89.5t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D272.88492%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) if you ask me.
Of course, terrain can be hilly, but that's true of pretty much everywhere. You won't get 100% level terrain anywhere.
Charles Mound in Jo Daviess County which I said awhile back is probably the most scenic county in the state. The high point in Illinois is only about a half mile south of the Wisconsin border too.
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I wanted to check for myself where the highest point in the state is, and it stands at only 1200 feet tall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Mound). Pretty flat (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.503961,-90.2536577,3a,75y,90.67h,89.5t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D272.88492%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) if you ask me.
Of course, terrain can be hilly, but that's true of pretty much everywhere. You won't get 100% level terrain anywhere.
Charles Mound in Jo Daviess County which I said awhile back is probably the most scenic county in the state. The high point in Illinois is only about a half mile south of the Wisconsin border too.
You would think that when your state's only scenic county is wedged between two other states, you would understand that Illinois is not scenic.
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Quote from: Flint1979 on October 19, 2021, 06:34:19 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 18, 2021, 10:47:00 PM
I wanted to check for myself where the highest point in the state is, and it stands at only 1200 feet tall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Mound). Pretty flat (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.503961,-90.2536577,3a,75y,90.67h,89.5t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D272.88492%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) if you ask me.
Of course, terrain can be hilly, but that's true of pretty much everywhere. You won't get 100% level terrain anywhere.
Charles Mound in Jo Daviess County which I said awhile back is probably the most scenic county in the state. The high point in Illinois is only about a half mile south of the Wisconsin border too.
You would think that when your state's only scenic county is wedged between two other states, you would understand that Illinois is not scenic.
But that's not what being an irrational homer is about.
Quote from: thspfc on October 19, 2021, 07:51:15 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 19, 2021, 06:34:19 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 18, 2021, 10:47:00 PM
I wanted to check for myself where the highest point in the state is, and it stands at only 1200 feet tall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Mound). Pretty flat (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.503961,-90.2536577,3a,75y,90.67h,89.5t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D272.88492%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) if you ask me.
Of course, terrain can be hilly, but that's true of pretty much everywhere. You won't get 100% level terrain anywhere.
Charles Mound in Jo Daviess County which I said awhile back is probably the most scenic county in the state. The high point in Illinois is only about a half mile south of the Wisconsin border too.
You would think that when your state's only scenic county is wedged between two other states, you would understand that Illinois is not scenic.
I would think that as well. Heck I probably live in one of the most boring counties in Michigan (Saginaw). It's feature is the Shiawassee Flats which is a wildlife refuge in the middle of the county, other than that it's flat farm fields with no natural lakes to speak of. Oh and Saginaw is run down and not scenic at all. Now with that I just knocked my hometown but you know what it's the truth.
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 19, 2021, 09:21:59 AMI probably live in one of the most boring counties in Michigan (Saginaw). It's feature is the Shiawassee Flats which is a wildlife refuge in the middle of the county, other than that it's flat farm fields with no natural lakes to speak of. Oh and Saginaw is run down and not scenic at all. Now with that I just knocked my hometown but you know what it's the truth.
But having said that, you don't extend that opinion to the whole of Michigan. Unlike our favorite video-poster does for Illinois.
I 100% declare that Arapahoe County is not the most scenic county in Colorado. And, it's mostly flat, but I do not think Colorado is flat.
Chris
Arapahoe County is not flat. Illinois is flat.
Quote from: GaryV on October 19, 2021, 09:34:40 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 19, 2021, 09:21:59 AMI probably live in one of the most boring counties in Michigan (Saginaw). It's feature is the Shiawassee Flats which is a wildlife refuge in the middle of the county, other than that it's flat farm fields with no natural lakes to speak of. Oh and Saginaw is run down and not scenic at all. Now with that I just knocked my hometown but you know what it's the truth.
But having said that, you don't extend that opinion to the whole of Michigan. Unlike our favorite video-poster does for Illinois.
Nope because there are scenic counties in Michigan. Saginaw County though isn't one of them.
Quote from: thspfc on October 19, 2021, 07:51:15 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 19, 2021, 06:34:19 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 18, 2021, 10:47:00 PM
I wanted to check for myself where the highest point in the state is, and it stands at only 1200 feet tall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Mound). Pretty flat (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.503961,-90.2536577,3a,75y,90.67h,89.5t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D272.88492%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) if you ask me.
Of course, terrain can be hilly, but that's true of pretty much everywhere. You won't get 100% level terrain anywhere.
Charles Mound in Jo Daviess County which I said awhile back is probably the most scenic county in the state. The high point in Illinois is only about a half mile south of the Wisconsin border too.
You would think that when your state's only scenic county is wedged between two other states, you would understand that Illinois is not scenic.
There's way more than one scenic county. When my I70 video is released this week (making all the signs now) you'll see that.
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 19, 2021, 06:34:19 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 18, 2021, 10:47:00 PM
I wanted to check for myself where the highest point in the state is, and it stands at only 1200 feet tall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Mound). Pretty flat (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.503961,-90.2536577,3a,75y,90.67h,89.5t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D272.88492%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) if you ask me.
Of course, terrain can be hilly, but that's true of pretty much everywhere. You won't get 100% level terrain anywhere.
Charles Mound in Jo Daviess County which I said awhile back is probably the most scenic county in the state. The high point in Illinois is only about a half mile south of the Wisconsin border too.
Pretty much every state's high point is near one of its borders if there's not a mountain range or something running down the middle of it. The east half of Oklahoma isn't flat, but the high point is Black Mesa at the tip of the Panhandle, simply because the elevation increases from east to west (and barring that one mesa, 95% of the Panhandle is flat).
Quote from: Crash_It on October 19, 2021, 02:02:26 PM
Quote from: thspfc on October 19, 2021, 07:51:15 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 19, 2021, 06:34:19 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 18, 2021, 10:47:00 PM
I wanted to check for myself where the highest point in the state is, and it stands at only 1200 feet tall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Mound). Pretty flat (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.503961,-90.2536577,3a,75y,90.67h,89.5t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D272.88492%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) if you ask me.
Of course, terrain can be hilly, but that's true of pretty much everywhere. You won't get 100% level terrain anywhere.
Charles Mound in Jo Daviess County which I said awhile back is probably the most scenic county in the state. The high point in Illinois is only about a half mile south of the Wisconsin border too.
You would think that when your state's only scenic county is wedged between two other states, you would understand that Illinois is not scenic.
There's way more than one scenic county. When my I70 video is released this week (making all the signs now) you'll see that.
Unlike a lot of people in this thread, I'm willing to grant Illinois as potentially being scenic, but I-70 is far from the best argument to make in its favor. The south half of I-57 would make the case a lot better.
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 19, 2021, 02:41:11 PM
Pretty much every state's high point is near one of its borders if there's not a mountain range or something running down the middle of it. The east half of Oklahoma isn't flat, but the high point is Black Mesa at the tip of the Panhandle, simply because the elevation increases from east to west (and barring that one mesa, 95% of the Panhandle is flat).
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/Lm6onkmeNQWSLkK8gG955ABXmbej9zY_JX1aGuDPs24doLj9n5m8Ds0HBjk79SmIH4s9AkRY5ikY4-1wUsibBC54CkJxhEM0ZqCBWGgtsk84VgzoyH7MlXuXrJ34yEc)
Looks like about 50/50.
Chris
I didn't know Kansas bordered New Brunswick.
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 19, 2021, 02:48:26 PM
I didn't know Kansas bordered New Brunswick.
It was NB until 1969.
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Quote from: Scott5114 on October 19, 2021, 02:48:26 PM
I didn't know Kansas bordered New Brunswick.
It was NB until 1969.
But the map is typeset in Italia, which didn't come out until 1975, so this map was clearly made after 1969.
Quote from: jayhawkco on October 19, 2021, 02:46:38 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 19, 2021, 02:41:11 PM
Pretty much every state's high point is near one of its borders if there's not a mountain range or something running down the middle of it. The east half of Oklahoma isn't flat, but the high point is Black Mesa at the tip of the Panhandle, simply because the elevation increases from east to west (and barring that one mesa, 95% of the Panhandle is flat).
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/Lm6onkmeNQWSLkK8gG955ABXmbej9zY_JX1aGuDPs24doLj9n5m8Ds0HBjk79SmIH4s9AkRY5ikY4-1wUsibBC54CkJxhEM0ZqCBWGgtsk84VgzoyH7MlXuXrJ34yEc)
Looks like about 50/50.
Chris
Washington State has to be one where its highest point is in the center of the state.
Quote from: bing101 on October 19, 2021, 02:53:25 PM
Washington State has to be one where its highest point is in the center of the state.
Arkansas, Alaska, Colorado, and Idaho aren't that far off center.
Chris
Quote from: jayhawkco on October 19, 2021, 02:56:28 PM
Quote from: bing101 on October 19, 2021, 02:53:25 PM
Washington State has to be one where its highest point is in the center of the state.
Arkansas, Alaska, Colorado, and Idaho aren't that far off center.
Maine is almost dead center also.
Quote from: webny99 on October 19, 2021, 03:02:13 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on October 19, 2021, 02:56:28 PM
Quote from: bing101 on October 19, 2021, 02:53:25 PM
Washington State has to be one where its highest point is in the center of the state.
Arkansas, Alaska, Colorado, and Idaho aren't that far off center.
Maine is almost dead center also.
Mt. Katahdin is actually a little farther north than my first pic shows. I found a better one:
(https://i.etsystatic.com/10417785/r/il/ef75df/1637446136/il_1140xN.1637446136_6gmu.jpg)
Chris
Quote from: Crash_It on October 19, 2021, 02:02:26 PM
Quote from: thspfc on October 19, 2021, 07:51:15 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 19, 2021, 06:34:19 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 18, 2021, 10:47:00 PM
I wanted to check for myself where the highest point in the state is, and it stands at only 1200 feet tall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Mound). Pretty flat (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.503961,-90.2536577,3a,75y,90.67h,89.5t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D272.88492%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) if you ask me.
Of course, terrain can be hilly, but that's true of pretty much everywhere. You won't get 100% level terrain anywhere.
Charles Mound in Jo Daviess County which I said awhile back is probably the most scenic county in the state. The high point in Illinois is only about a half mile south of the Wisconsin border too.
You would think that when your state's only scenic county is wedged between two other states, you would understand that Illinois is not scenic.
There's way more than one scenic county. When my I70 video is released this week (making all the signs now) you'll see that.
I've been on I-70 in Illinois and there is nothing scenic about it so your video isn't going to show that.
The maps make West Virginia's high point appear closer to a state line than it really is.
Kentucky's is on the border with Virginia, and Tennessee's is on the border with North Carolina.
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 19, 2021, 03:41:54 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 19, 2021, 02:02:26 PM
Quote from: thspfc on October 19, 2021, 07:51:15 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 19, 2021, 06:34:19 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 18, 2021, 10:47:00 PM
I wanted to check for myself where the highest point in the state is, and it stands at only 1200 feet tall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Mound). Pretty flat (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.503961,-90.2536577,3a,75y,90.67h,89.5t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D272.88492%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) if you ask me.
Of course, terrain can be hilly, but that's true of pretty much everywhere. You won't get 100% level terrain anywhere.
Charles Mound in Jo Daviess County which I said awhile back is probably the most scenic county in the state. The high point in Illinois is only about a half mile south of the Wisconsin border too.
You would think that when your state's only scenic county is wedged between two other states, you would understand that Illinois is not scenic.
There's way more than one scenic county. When my I70 video is released this week (making all the signs now) you'll see that.
I've been on I-70 in Illinois and there is nothing scenic about it so your video isn't going to show that.
Keep in mind this is the guy who counts bridges on the Chicago Skyway as geographic features.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 19, 2021, 03:44:08 PM
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Quote from: thspfc on October 19, 2021, 07:51:15 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 19, 2021, 06:34:19 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 18, 2021, 10:47:00 PM
I wanted to check for myself where the highest point in the state is, and it stands at only 1200 feet tall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Mound). Pretty flat (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.503961,-90.2536577,3a,75y,90.67h,89.5t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D272.88492%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) if you ask me.
Of course, terrain can be hilly, but that's true of pretty much everywhere. You won't get 100% level terrain anywhere.
Charles Mound in Jo Daviess County which I said awhile back is probably the most scenic county in the state. The high point in Illinois is only about a half mile south of the Wisconsin border too.
You would think that when your state's only scenic county is wedged between two other states, you would understand that Illinois is not scenic.
There's way more than one scenic county. When my I70 video is released this week (making all the signs now) you'll see that.
I've been on I-70 in Illinois and there is nothing scenic about it so your video isn't going to show that.
Keep in mind this is the guy who counts bridges on the Chicago Skyway as geographic features.
LMAO
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 18, 2021, 11:21:03 PM
I want to hear more about how bridges on the Chicago Skyway factor into Illinois not being flat.
Basically, manmade structures being high up in the sky = the state itself being hilly... or that's what I'm understanding from the flawed logic.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 19, 2021, 04:03:13 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 18, 2021, 11:21:03 PM
I want to hear more about how bridges on the Chicago Skyway factor into Illinois not being flat.
Basically, manmade structures being high up in the sky = the state itself being hilly... or that's what I'm understanding from the flawed logic.
Or "flawless logic" perhaps?
Quote from: renegade on October 19, 2021, 12:05:32 PM
Arapahoe County is not flat.
Hm? (https://goo.gl/maps/7ton3LDWxd9Ssi9u7)
Quote from: US 89 on October 19, 2021, 05:26:10 PM
Quote from: renegade on October 19, 2021, 12:05:32 PM
Arapahoe County is not flat.
Hm? (https://goo.gl/maps/7ton3LDWxd9Ssi9u7)
You missed this little bump in the road. Proves that a place is not flat.
(https://i.imgur.com/ORh7Vz9.png)
Quote from: Crash_It on October 10, 2021, 10:24:09 PM
Illinois has the Shawnee Hills and Illinois Ozarks.
Which are haunted! http://www.facebook.com/thehauntedwoodssh/
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 19, 2021, 05:02:40 PM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 19, 2021, 04:03:13 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 18, 2021, 11:21:03 PM
I want to hear more about how bridges on the Chicago Skyway factor into Illinois not being flat.
Basically, manmade structures being high up in the sky = the state itself being hilly... or that's what I'm understanding from the flawed logic.
Or "flawless logic" perhaps?
It's both a flawed logic and a flawless logic. (My name comes from a necromancer in Magic: the Gathering, so I might as well embrace it and revive dead forum memes.)
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 19, 2021, 03:41:54 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on October 19, 2021, 02:02:26 PM
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Quote from: Flint1979 on October 19, 2021, 06:34:19 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 18, 2021, 10:47:00 PM
I wanted to check for myself where the highest point in the state is, and it stands at only 1200 feet tall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Mound). Pretty flat (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.503961,-90.2536577,3a,75y,90.67h,89.5t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D272.88492%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) if you ask me.
Of course, terrain can be hilly, but that's true of pretty much everywhere. You won't get 100% level terrain anywhere.
Charles Mound in Jo Daviess County which I said awhile back is probably the most scenic county in the state. The high point in Illinois is only about a half mile south of the Wisconsin border too.
You would think that when your state's only scenic county is wedged between two other states, you would understand that Illinois is not scenic.
There's way more than one scenic county. When my I70 video is released this week (making all the signs now) you'll see that.
I've been on I-70 in Illinois and there is nothing scenic about it so your video isn't going to show that.
There's hilly terrain in many stretches throughout... notably between Greenup and Marshall and between Troy and Vandalia.
Quote from: Crash_It on October 19, 2021, 06:17:47 PM
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Quote from: Crash_It on October 19, 2021, 02:02:26 PM
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Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 18, 2021, 10:47:00 PM
I wanted to check for myself where the highest point in the state is, and it stands at only 1200 feet tall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Mound). Pretty flat (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.503961,-90.2536577,3a,75y,90.67h,89.5t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D272.88492%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) if you ask me.
Of course, terrain can be hilly, but that's true of pretty much everywhere. You won't get 100% level terrain anywhere.
Charles Mound in Jo Daviess County which I said awhile back is probably the most scenic county in the state. The high point in Illinois is only about a half mile south of the Wisconsin border too.
You would think that when your state's only scenic county is wedged between two other states, you would understand that Illinois is not scenic.
There's way more than one scenic county. When my I70 video is released this week (making all the signs now) you'll see that.
I've been on I-70 in Illinois and there is nothing scenic about it so your video isn't going to show that.
There's hilly terrain in many stretches throughout... notably between Greenup and Marshall and between Troy and Vandalia.
Once again I have been on I-70 in Illinois, there is nothing scenic about it and there is not hilly terrain in many stretches throughout that is incorrect.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 19, 2021, 05:55:22 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 19, 2021, 05:02:40 PM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 19, 2021, 04:03:13 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 18, 2021, 11:21:03 PM
I want to hear more about how bridges on the Chicago Skyway factor into Illinois not being flat.
Basically, manmade structures being high up in the sky = the state itself being hilly... or that's what I'm understanding from the flawed logic.
Or "flawless logic" perhaps?
It's both a flawed logic and a flawless logic. (My name comes from a necromancer in Magic: the Gathering, so I might as well embrace it and revive dead forum memes.)
So basically it's flawlessly flawed logic. I think Goat Jesus would be enthusiastically mortified by the inglorious splendor of the geography of Illinois.
Quote from: US 89 on October 19, 2021, 05:26:10 PM
Quote from: renegade on October 19, 2021, 12:05:32 PM
Arapahoe County is not flat.
Hm? (https://goo.gl/maps/7ton3LDWxd9Ssi9u7)
Wow ... could've mistaken that for Illinois.
Not flat!
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscontent-mia3-2.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fv%2Ft1.6435-9%2F245401269_2992780761052685_6751128150693760270_n.jpg%3F_nc_cat%3D103%26amp%3Bccb%3D1-5%26amp%3B_nc_sid%3D0debeb%26amp%3B_nc_ohc%3DSKOQ-vpylnEAX_Ri-6i%26amp%3B_nc_ht%3Dscontent-mia3-2.xx%26amp%3Boh%3Db32892ac39ca1bec2a3411634fa896a2%26amp%3Boe%3D61966B9D&hash=9f3d416a728b8a950760ea2ebaf6bd83a2f05643)
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 19, 2021, 05:33:11 PM
Quote from: US 89 on October 19, 2021, 05:26:10 PM
Quote from: renegade on October 19, 2021, 12:05:32 PM
Arapahoe County is not flat.
Hm? (https://goo.gl/maps/7ton3LDWxd9Ssi9u7)
You missed this little bump in the road. Proves that a place is not flat.
(https://i.imgur.com/ORh7Vz9.png)
Flat by San Joaquin Valley standards.
Quote from: NE2 on October 19, 2021, 09:53:59 PM
Not flat!
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscontent-mia3-2.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fv%2Ft1.6435-9%2F245401269_2992780761052685_6751128150693760270_n.jpg%3F_nc_cat%3D103%26amp%3Bccb%3D1-5%26amp%3B_nc_sid%3D0debeb%26amp%3B_nc_ohc%3DSKOQ-vpylnEAX_Ri-6i%26amp%3B_nc_ht%3Dscontent-mia3-2.xx%26amp%3Boh%3Db32892ac39ca1bec2a3411634fa896a2%26amp%3Boe%3D61966B9D&hash=9f3d416a728b8a950760ea2ebaf6bd83a2f05643)
Flat by Hawaiian islands criteria.
Guys if you are going to do flat California make sure you at least get CA 43 and CA 137 in the mix:
https://www.flickr.com/gp/151828809@N08/VBoU6C
https://www.flickr.com/gp/151828809@N08/20qSi1
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I wanted to check for myself where the highest point in the state is, and it stands at only 1200 feet tall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Mound). Pretty flat (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.503961,-90.2536577,3a,75y,90.67h,89.5t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D272.88492%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) if you ask me.
Of course, terrain can be hilly, but that's true of pretty much everywhere. You won't get 100% level terrain anywhere.
Charles Mound in Jo Daviess County which I said awhile back is probably the most scenic county in the state. The high point in Illinois is only about a half mile south of the Wisconsin border too.
You would think that when your state's only scenic county is wedged between two other states, you would understand that Illinois is not scenic.
There's way more than one scenic county. When my I70 video is released this week (making all the signs now) you'll see that.
I've been on I-70 in Illinois and there is nothing scenic about it so your video isn't going to show that.
There's hilly terrain in many stretches throughout... notably between Greenup and Marshall and between Troy and Vandalia.
Once again I have been on I-70 in Illinois, there is nothing scenic about it and there is not hilly terrain in many stretches throughout that is incorrect.
Here's a portion between Pocahontas and Stubblefield on the topographic view on Google maps
(https://i.imgur.com/lTh9wlk.png)
here's another between Martinsville and Marshall
(https://i.imgur.com/KMHX39w.png)
and finally, Troy and Highland
(https://i.imgur.com/7BFxS7u.png)
Plus, I have family in this area and used to date someone as well. Both of their neighborhoods were very hilly. If you've driven in this area, there's no possible way that you can tell me that it's flat.
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I wanted to check for myself where the highest point in the state is, and it stands at only 1200 feet tall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Mound). Pretty flat (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.503961,-90.2536577,3a,75y,90.67h,89.5t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D272.88492%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) if you ask me.
Of course, terrain can be hilly, but that's true of pretty much everywhere. You won't get 100% level terrain anywhere.
Charles Mound in Jo Daviess County which I said awhile back is probably the most scenic county in the state. The high point in Illinois is only about a half mile south of the Wisconsin border too.
You would think that when your state's only scenic county is wedged between two other states, you would understand that Illinois is not scenic.
There's way more than one scenic county. When my I70 video is released this week (making all the signs now) you'll see that.
I've been on I-70 in Illinois and there is nothing scenic about it so your video isn't going to show that.
There's hilly terrain in many stretches throughout... notably between Greenup and Marshall and between Troy and Vandalia.
Once again I have been on I-70 in Illinois, there is nothing scenic about it and there is not hilly terrain in many stretches throughout that is incorrect.
Here's a portion between Pocahontas and Stubblefield on the topographic view on Google maps
(https://i.imgur.com/lTh9wlk.png)
here's another between Martinsville and Marshall
(https://i.imgur.com/KMHX39w.png)
and finally, Troy and Highland
(https://i.imgur.com/7BFxS7u.png)
Plus, I have family in this area and used to date someone as well. Both of their neighborhoods were very hilly. If you've driven in this area, there's no possible way that you can tell me that it's flat.
It's flat. See, totally possible.
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I wanted to check for myself where the highest point in the state is, and it stands at only 1200 feet tall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Mound). Pretty flat (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.503961,-90.2536577,3a,75y,90.67h,89.5t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D272.88492%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) if you ask me.
Of course, terrain can be hilly, but that's true of pretty much everywhere. You won't get 100% level terrain anywhere.
Charles Mound in Jo Daviess County which I said awhile back is probably the most scenic county in the state. The high point in Illinois is only about a half mile south of the Wisconsin border too.
You would think that when your state's only scenic county is wedged between two other states, you would understand that Illinois is not scenic.
There's way more than one scenic county. When my I70 video is released this week (making all the signs now) you'll see that.
I've been on I-70 in Illinois and there is nothing scenic about it so your video isn't going to show that.
There's hilly terrain in many stretches throughout... notably between Greenup and Marshall and between Troy and Vandalia.
Once again I have been on I-70 in Illinois, there is nothing scenic about it and there is not hilly terrain in many stretches throughout that is incorrect.
Here's a portion between Pocahontas and Stubblefield on the topographic view on Google maps
(https://i.imgur.com/lTh9wlk.png)
here's another between Martinsville and Marshall
(https://i.imgur.com/KMHX39w.png)
and finally, Troy and Highland
(https://i.imgur.com/7BFxS7u.png)
Plus, I have family in this area and used to date someone as well. Both of their neighborhoods were very hilly. If you've driven in this area, there's no possible way that you can tell me that it's flat.
It's flat. See, totally possible.
Street view is flat.
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Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 18, 2021, 10:47:00 PM
I wanted to check for myself where the highest point in the state is, and it stands at only 1200 feet tall (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Mound). Pretty flat (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.503961,-90.2536577,3a,75y,90.67h,89.5t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DGdEvpScQT99DyfHDXJHrkA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D272.88492%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) if you ask me.
Of course, terrain can be hilly, but that's true of pretty much everywhere. You won't get 100% level terrain anywhere.
Charles Mound in Jo Daviess County which I said awhile back is probably the most scenic county in the state. The high point in Illinois is only about a half mile south of the Wisconsin border too.
You would think that when your state's only scenic county is wedged between two other states, you would understand that Illinois is not scenic.
There's way more than one scenic county. When my I70 video is released this week (making all the signs now) you'll see that.
I've been on I-70 in Illinois and there is nothing scenic about it so your video isn't going to show that.
There's hilly terrain in many stretches throughout... notably between Greenup and Marshall and between Troy and Vandalia.
Once again I have been on I-70 in Illinois, there is nothing scenic about it and there is not hilly terrain in many stretches throughout that is incorrect.
Here's a portion between Pocahontas and Stubblefield on the topographic view on Google maps
(pic)
here's another between Martinsville and Marshall
(pic)
and finally, Troy and Highland
(pic)
Plus, I have family in this area and used to date someone as well. Both of their neighborhoods were very hilly. If you've driven in this area, there's no possible way that you can tell me that it's flat.
Just because there's hills doesn't mean the state itself isn't flat. Compared to, say, Montana, Illinois is as flat as a soda can left opened for weeks.
This is starting to remind me of an inverse sharks are smooth as hell (https://imgur.com/gallery/ad3je).
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 20, 2021, 07:07:54 PM
This is starting to remind me of an inverse sharks are smooth as hell (https://imgur.com/gallery/ad3je).
But sharks
are smooth (https://www.ikea.com/ca/en/p/blahaj-soft-toy-shark-90373590/)!
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Quote from: Scott5114 on October 20, 2021, 07:07:54 PM
This is starting to remind me of an inverse sharks are smooth as hell (https://imgur.com/gallery/ad3je).
But sharks are smooth (https://www.ikea.com/ca/en/p/blahaj-soft-toy-shark-90373590/)!
Sharks aren't smooth, they have pointy teeth which breaks up their smoothness distribution.
From another thread, but applies here, too (and you should really read the page of the thread I linked, pure comedy gold)
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Good news, RGT. This thread made it further than your other thread. The train has left the station on this one too, though.
You might say it has jumped the shark.
That would insinuate there was a shark to actually jump over.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 20, 2021, 07:31:12 PM
That would insinuate there was a shark to actually jump over.
Somewhere last week, I saw a map of shark attacks. Surprisingly, some shark attacks were reported in states like Kentucky and Missouri. At first, people thought there were sharks that had navigated up from the Gulf of Mexico, but turns out the attacks happened in aquarium settings. They were still cataloged, though.
So maybe there are sharks in flat Illinois.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 20, 2021, 07:31:12 PM
That would insinuate there was a shark to actually jump over.
Somewhere last week, I saw a map of shark attacks. Surprisingly, some shark attacks were reported in states like Kentucky and Missouri. At first, people thought there were sharks that had navigated up from the Gulf of Mexico, but turns out the attacks happened in aquarium settings. They were still cataloged, though.
So maybe there are sharks in flat Illinois.
I mean, whether it's in an aquarium or not, a shark attack is a shark attack.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 20, 2021, 08:38:01 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 20, 2021, 08:35:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 20, 2021, 07:31:12 PM
That would insinuate there was a shark to actually jump over.
Somewhere last week, I saw a map of shark attacks. Surprisingly, some shark attacks were reported in states like Kentucky and Missouri. At first, people thought there were sharks that had navigated up from the Gulf of Mexico, but turns out the attacks happened in aquarium settings. They were still cataloged, though.
So maybe there are sharks in flat Illinois.
I mean, whether it's in an aquarium or not, a shark attack is a shark attack.
So you guys are saying that Crash is going to get eaten by a shark on the desolate plains of flat Illinois?
Enough is enough! I've had it with these made-for-forum sharks on this motor-friendly plain!
Omg there are a few hills so what? The rest of the state is flat. The shithole known as Illinois is 55,000 square miles, a few hills here and there doesn't mean that the state is hilly.
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Quote from: hbelkins on October 20, 2021, 08:35:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 20, 2021, 07:31:12 PM
That would insinuate there was a shark to actually jump over.
Somewhere last week, I saw a map of shark attacks. Surprisingly, some shark attacks were reported in states like Kentucky and Missouri. At first, people thought there were sharks that had navigated up from the Gulf of Mexico, but turns out the attacks happened in aquarium settings. They were still cataloged, though.
So maybe there are sharks in flat Illinois.
I mean, whether it's in an aquarium or not, a shark attack is a shark attack.
So you guys are saying that Crash is going to get eaten by a shark on the desolate plains of flat Illinois?
You never know when a shark typhoon (https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/large/front/1/d/1da4d4f3-b3cb-4b61-81b8-06ae441c41bf.jpg?1591226502) might strike.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 20, 2021, 10:08:47 PM
You never know when a shark typhoon (https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/large/front/1/d/1da4d4f3-b3cb-4b61-81b8-06ae441c41bf.jpg?1591226502) might strike.
That just gave me another silly thought. You need an island to cast that spell. The nearest islands are in the middle of Lake Michigan (unless I'm missing any). How are you going to get the sharks back to Illinois? Well, the card says they're flying sharks, so you
ride on one of the flying sharks as if it was a dragon.
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Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 20, 2021, 10:08:47 PM
You never know when a shark typhoon (https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/large/front/1/d/1da4d4f3-b3cb-4b61-81b8-06ae441c41bf.jpg?1591226502) might strike.
That just gave me another silly thought. You need an island to cast that spell. The nearest islands are in the middle of Lake Michigan (unless I'm missing any). How are you going to get the sharks back to Illinois? Well, the card says they're flying sharks, so you ride on one of the flying sharks as if it was a dragon.
Where are there islands in the middle of Lake Michigan? Only the northern part of the lake has islands.
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Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 20, 2021, 10:08:47 PM
You never know when a shark typhoon (https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/large/front/1/d/1da4d4f3-b3cb-4b61-81b8-06ae441c41bf.jpg?1591226502) might strike.
That just gave me another silly thought. You need an island to cast that spell. The nearest islands are in the middle of Lake Michigan (unless I'm missing any). How are you going to get the sharks back to Illinois? Well, the card says they're flying sharks, so you ride on one of the flying sharks as if it was a dragon.
Where are there islands in the middle of Lake Michigan? Only the northern part of the lake has islands.
I was thinking middle as in "not next to the mainland", not as in "geographic center". Yes, that just means you'll need to ride your flying shark farther.
No sharks. But whales, yes. https://www.grandhavenwhalewatching.com/
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Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 20, 2021, 10:08:47 PM
You never know when a shark typhoon (https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/large/front/1/d/1da4d4f3-b3cb-4b61-81b8-06ae441c41bf.jpg?1591226502) might strike.
That just gave me another silly thought. You need an island to cast that spell. The nearest islands are in the middle of Lake Michigan (unless I'm missing any). How are you going to get the sharks back to Illinois? Well, the card says they're flying sharks, so you ride on one of the flying sharks as if it was a dragon.
Where are there islands in the middle of Lake Michigan? Only the northern part of the lake has islands.
I was thinking middle as in "not next to the mainland", not as in "geographic center". Yes, that just means you'll need to ride your flying shark farther.
That'd probably have to be somewhere around here.
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.6154403,-86.1474169,9z
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 20, 2021, 09:18:43 PM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on October 20, 2021, 08:38:01 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 20, 2021, 08:35:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 20, 2021, 07:31:12 PM
That would insinuate there was a shark to actually jump over.
Somewhere last week, I saw a map of shark attacks. Surprisingly, some shark attacks were reported in states like Kentucky and Missouri. At first, people thought there were sharks that had navigated up from the Gulf of Mexico, but turns out the attacks happened in aquarium settings. They were still cataloged, though.
So maybe there are sharks in flat Illinois.
I mean, whether it's in an aquarium or not, a shark attack is a shark attack.
So you guys are saying that Crash is going to get eaten by a shark on the desolate plains of flat Illinois?
Yes