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Re: New islands
« Reply #100 on: December 02, 2022, 09:58:53 AM »

A better question: Who is going to live on these islands in the Arctic? Do you plan on forcing them to move to the Arctic by gunpoint? Right now relatively few people live north of 45įN except in Europe because nobody else has the Gulf Stream warming lands nearer the North Pole. Even Vladivostok is closer to the Equator than the North Pole.

It's not a case of building the islands and they will come. Otherwise, these islands wouldn't be the manmade disaster they are.

I'm still puzzled why someone went apolitical on "northwestern Greenland" and decided to re-name their island after Michael Schumacher.
They sure as shit didn't go apolitical when they named an island "Palestine."
A copy of The World would be good off the coast of New York City.
A newspaper floating in the water?

And haven't you heard? There's not going to be an "off the coast of New York City" after all the dams are built and the Long Island Sound is drained so MMM can build all those new Interstates.

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Re: New islands
« Reply #102 on: December 02, 2022, 10:01:16 AM »

A better question: Who is going to live on these islands in the Arctic? Do you plan on forcing them to move to the Arctic by gunpoint? Right now relatively few people live north of 45įN except in Europe because nobody else has the Gulf Stream warming lands nearer the North Pole. Even Vladivostok is closer to the Equator than the North Pole.

It's not a case of building the islands and they will come. Otherwise, these islands wouldn't be the manmade disaster they are.

I'm still puzzled why someone went apolitical on "northwestern Greenland" and decided to re-name their island after Michael Schumacher.
They sure as shit didn't go apolitical when they named an island "Palestine."
A copy of The World would be good off the coast of New York City.
A newspaper floating in the water?
No, same colletcion of small islands in a shape of world like in Dubai.
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Re: New islands
« Reply #103 on: December 02, 2022, 10:01:47 AM »





A better question: Who is going to live on these islands in the Arctic? Do you plan on forcing them to move to the Arctic by gunpoint? Right now relatively few people live north of 45įN except in Europe because nobody else has the Gulf Stream warming lands nearer the North Pole. Even Vladivostok is closer to the Equator than the North Pole.

It's not a case of building the islands and they will come. Otherwise, these islands wouldn't be the manmade disaster they are.

I'm still puzzled why someone went apolitical on "northwestern Greenland" and decided to re-name their island after Michael Schumacher.

They sure as shit didn't go apolitical when they named an island "Palestine."

A copy of The World would be good off the coast of New York City.

A newspaper floating in the water?

More islands in the harbor.
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Re: New islands
« Reply #104 on: December 02, 2022, 10:01:59 AM »

I expect North America's population to trend north from 2040 to 2060 due to climate change... from Texas/Florida/desert Arizona to the urban areas of Colorado, Boise, the Pacific Coast north of California (in both countries), Edmonton, Calgary, and lesser amounts to the cities in Montana, various places in the Dakotas, other parts of Idaho, Reno, and the northeastern US and Atlantic Canada. Not the Arctic.
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Re: New islands
« Reply #105 on: December 02, 2022, 10:05:39 AM »

Then again, why do people move to desert Arizona in the first place? ...
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Re: New islands
« Reply #106 on: December 02, 2022, 10:08:52 AM »

The heat in Phoenix is only a problem 3-4 months out of the year.  Most people just donít bother being outside during the bulk of the summer season.  The remainder of the year essentially is close to as mild outdoor weather as youíre going to get away from the coastline. 
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« Reply #107 on: December 02, 2022, 11:21:36 AM »

Then again, why do people move to desert Arizona in the first place?

I live in Palm Springs which is basically the same when it comes to weather and retirement choices. I wouldn't live here if I were young, but the heat is easier to handle than the cold now that I'm retired. People move here because you can be outside all year round. Yes, it's more difficult in the summer but it's normal to see golfers out at 6 AM before the day heat hits in July and August. The weather is mostly tolerable the other ten months though there are hot days in June and September. Phoenix also has a few nearby mountain communities to escape to during the summer, just like PS has the coast and Big Bear. So residents are not as stuck inside during the summer as much as nonresidents might think. And outdoor activities are an option from October to May except for the occasional rain or wind event (saw my first derecho this year after living here for four years).

I'm not someone who likes playing any winter sports, so I don't enjoy what most Northerners consider winter. I've never skied. I'm a terrible skater (can't even skate backwards). I find ice fishing the most mind-numbingly boring activity ever invented. I don't enjoy snowmobiles for the same reason I don't ride motorcycles; the cold wind in my face causes my eyes to tear up and I can't see a thing. And I'm a little old for building snow forts. So I have a choice of being stuck inside from 15 June to 15 Sept or from 15 Nov to 15 March. I'll take being inside in the summer where I don't have to shovel snow, drive on snow and ice, or deal with all the other inconveniences of winter weather.
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Re: New islands
« Reply #108 on: December 02, 2022, 12:26:33 PM »

Then again, why do people move to desert Arizona in the first place? ...
But it will probably be uninhabitable by 2040-2060 (I understand the runways at PHX are capable of withstanding heat up to 130F, and, for most people, that's not an ideal climate).
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Re: New islands
« Reply #109 on: December 02, 2022, 12:34:16 PM »


Then again, why do people move to desert Arizona in the first place? ...

But it will probably be uninhabitable by 2040-2060 (I understand the runways at PHX are capable of withstanding heat up to 130F, and, for most people, that's not an ideal climate).

I wonder how average summertime temperatures compare between, say, Yuma and Kuwait.
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Re: New islands
« Reply #110 on: December 02, 2022, 12:47:08 PM »


Then again, why do people move to desert Arizona in the first place? ...

But it will probably be uninhabitable by 2040-2060 (I understand the runways at PHX are capable of withstanding heat up to 130F, and, for most people, that's not an ideal climate).

I wonder how average summertime temperatures compare between, say, Yuma and Kuwait.
The average July high for Yuma is 106.7 Degrees Fahrenheit, compared to 116.1 in Kuwait City.
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Re: New islands
« Reply #111 on: December 02, 2022, 01:13:25 PM »

Then again, why do people move to desert Arizona in the first place? ...
But it will probably be uninhabitable by 2040-2060 (I understand the runways at PHX are capable of withstanding heat up to 130F, and, for most people, that's not an ideal climate).

There's about an 80% chance I'll be dead by 2040 so I don't care. That's probably the thought of most of the old people who move to the desert. Most of the younger people are locals who grew up here and their ancestors are mostly Mexican or other Central/South American and are genetically better adapted to the heat than my nearly 100% Northern European (according to 23 and Me) ancestry.
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Re: New islands
« Reply #112 on: December 02, 2022, 01:28:33 PM »

Then again, why do people move to desert Arizona in the first place? ...
But it will probably be uninhabitable by 2040-2060 (I understand the runways at PHX are capable of withstanding heat up to 130F, and, for most people, that's not an ideal climate).

There's about an 80% chance I'll be dead by 2040 so I don't care. That's probably the thought of most of the old people who move to the desert. Most of the younger people are locals who grew up here and their ancestors are mostly Mexican or other Central/South American and are genetically better adapted to the heat than my nearly 100% Northern European (according to 23 and Me) ancestry.

My wife (of Mexican descent) clearly is far better adapted to 100-110F weather than I am.  She is totally unbothered when itís hot like that outside and apparently grew up in Firebaugh without air conditioning.  The reverse seems to be true when it comes to tolerating the cold weather, Iím far more acclimated (my family was German).
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Re: New islands
« Reply #113 on: December 02, 2022, 01:29:22 PM »

There's about an 80% chance I'll be dead by 2040 so I don't care. That's probably the thought of most of the old people who move to the desert.
That's probably the thought of anyone who insists that climate change is a Chinese hoax.
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Re: New islands
« Reply #114 on: December 02, 2022, 01:30:22 PM »


Then again, why do people move to desert Arizona in the first place? ...

But it will probably be uninhabitable by 2040-2060 (I understand the runways at PHX are capable of withstanding heat up to 130F, and, for most people, that's not an ideal climate).

I wonder how average summertime temperatures compare between, say, Yuma and Kuwait.
This is one of those instances where it's impossible to tell if you're expressing a belief or playing devil's advocate, so...why do you think Yuma and Kuwait City are comparable?
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Re: New islands
« Reply #115 on: December 02, 2022, 01:30:53 PM »

There's about an 80% chance I'll be dead by 2040 so I don't care. That's probably the thought of most of the old people who move to the desert.
That's probably the thought of anyone who insists that climate change is a Chinese hoax.

I donít think itís a hoax but I also donít care what the temperature will be during future time periods where Iíll be dead. 
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Re: New islands
« Reply #116 on: December 02, 2022, 01:37:56 PM »




Then again, why do people move to desert Arizona in the first place? ...

But it will probably be uninhabitable by 2040-2060 (I understand the runways at PHX are capable of withstanding heat up to 130F, and, for most people, that's not an ideal climate).

I wonder how average summertime temperatures compare between, say, Yuma and Kuwait.

This is one of those instances where it's impossible to tell if you're expressing a belief or playing devil's advocate, so...why do you think Yuma and Kuwait City are comparable?

I've always wondered how people can stand living somewhere as hot as Kuwait.  And now we're wondering how people will stand living somewhere as hot as desert Arizona.  So I was curious to know how they actually stack up against each other.

What specifically prompted me to ask was the comment about PHX runways withstanding temps up to 130įF.  I immediately recalled that temps over 50įC are fairly common in Kuwait.  For reference, 130įF is about 54ĹįC.  Mitrabah, Kuwait, hit 54įC (129.2įF) back in 2016.

It had nothing to with either (a) an expression of a belief or (b) playing devil's advocate.
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« Reply #117 on: December 02, 2022, 01:51:34 PM »

I've always wondered how people can stand living somewhere as hot as Kuwait.  And now we're wondering how people will stand living somewhere as hot as desert Arizona.  So I was curious to know how they actually stack up against each other.
Given what little I know about both location, I'm guessing the percentage of people living in Kuwait who would live anywhere else if they could is higher than the percentage of people living in Arizona who would live anywhere else if they could (in other words, more people choose to live in Arizona than Kuwait).
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« Reply #118 on: December 02, 2022, 01:52:28 PM »

There's about an 80% chance I'll be dead by 2040 so I don't care. That's probably the thought of most of the old people who move to the desert.
That's probably the thought of anyone who insists that climate change is a Chinese hoax.

I donít think itís a hoax but I also donít care what the temperature will be during future time periods where Iíll be dead.
No one would be as surprised as me if I'm still alive in 2060, but I'm not content to just punt and let future generations deal with it.
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« Reply #119 on: December 02, 2022, 02:00:32 PM »

There's about an 80% chance I'll be dead by 2040 so I don't care. That's probably the thought of most of the old people who move to the desert.
That's probably the thought of anyone who insists that climate change is a Chinese hoax.

I donít think itís a hoax but I also donít care what the temperature will be during future time periods where Iíll be dead.
No one would be as surprised as me if I'm still alive in 2060, but I'm not content to just punt and let future generations deal with it.

I donít think that I lived what would be considered a ďproblematicĒ life in terms of staging something bad for the future (including environmental).  That being the case, I donít see a need to put a burden on myself for things that other people might be doing now that I canít stop or future events I cannot possibly control.  I donít know, it just feels like unnecessary focus that I could be putting back into things I can control. 
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Re: New islands
« Reply #120 on: December 02, 2022, 02:06:22 PM »

Honestly, in terms of climate change, individual people make very little impact unless you own 5 private jets or something. Blame falls mostly on the big corporations and our friends down in DC.
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« Reply #121 on: December 02, 2022, 02:09:17 PM »

Honestly, in terms of climate change, individual people make very little impact unless you own 5 private jets or something. Blame falls mostly on the big corporations and our friends down in DC.

Right, how am as an individual supposed to control larger elements at play like that?  If I canít control things of the like I see no reason to burden myself potentially to misery worrying over it.
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Re: New islands
« Reply #122 on: December 02, 2022, 02:22:25 PM »

Right, how am as an individual supposed to control larger elements at play like that?

Obviously, you should move to an Arctic island.  That way you'll have most of your daily essentials shipped long-distance via air or sea, do without the possibility of solar energy for part of the year, and ensure your immediate impact is in a climate of low biodiversity.
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« Reply #123 on: December 02, 2022, 02:33:48 PM »

Right, how am as an individual supposed to control larger elements at play like that?

Obviously, you should move to an Arctic island.  That way you'll have most of your daily essentials shipped long-distance via air or sea, do without the possibility of solar energy for part of the year, and ensure your immediate impact is in a climate of low biodiversity.

I feel like a fool for not seeing the obvious answer sitting right in front of me all these years.
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Re: New islands
« Reply #124 on: December 02, 2022, 03:37:13 PM »

Then again, why do people move to desert Arizona in the first place? ...

Obviously there's some differences between Arizona and Nevada, but (as you know) I am considering moving to the desertóLas Vegas. For me the reasons are because of job opportunities and cultural/recreation activities. One thing that I really enjoyed on my first visit is the vast array of food options available in Las Vegas, for instance, many of which are not available where I live now. And consuming some of the local media there solidifies my belief I would be much more culturally in tune with the city than I am with where I live now.

Obviously I wouldn't move to the Arctic unless there were already an established city there similar to Las Vegas. Canadian Las Vegas is a fun thought experiment, but it's sadly fictional. (There would also the problem of dealing with Canadian immigration, of course, which I probably wouldn't qualify for no matter how much I might like Arctic Las Vegas.)
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