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Started by webny99, May 24, 2018, 11:20:47 AM

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qguy

Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 24, 2018, 11:49:36 AM
The King of Prussia Mall outside Philly, near where the Schuylkill Expressway (I-76) meets the PA Turnpike (I-76/276), is doing incredibly well, and just completed another expansion.  It is actually larger than the Mall of America when it comes down to available store space.

SEPTA (Southeast Pennsylvania Transportation Authority, the Philadelphia regional transit agency), has a project to extend a transit rail line to and past the mall. Here's a link to the project: www.kingofprussiarail.com


Rothman



Quote from: steviep24 on May 24, 2018, 08:57:35 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 24, 2018, 11:20:47 AM
Inspired by some comments in this thread, are there any malls around that are still major destinations?

I don't mean just "doing OK", but business is actually booming, they're expanding, generating more traffic, and so forth. Eastview Mall, in the Rochester suburb of Victor, seems to keep expanding and becoming more popular. The commerce corridor which surrounds it has pretty much extended to the village of Victor, much to the disgust of anyone who uses NY 96 with regularity. Further, NYSDOT even built a new ramp to I-490 to allow mall traffic to avoid a left turn, thereby alleviating some of the congestion. Unfortunately, the Eastview expansion has been at the expense of some other local malls, like Marketplace, which is rumored to be transforming into an outlet mall (it hasn't happened yet, to my knowledge).

Also booming? As always, Mall of America!!!
Isn't Destiny USA (formerly Carousel Center) in Syracuse also considered a destination mall? I was in Marketplace Mall recently and although it isn't officially an outlet mall yet they have giant posters advertising the coming change and some stores have already converted to outlet stores.

Heh.  Destiny USA really, really wants to be a destination mall.  Whether it has achieved that goal is up for debate.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

1995hoo

The Fashion Centre at Pentagon City in Arlington is thriving. I think there are two reasons: (1) easy Metro access; (2) for whatever reason, it seems to have become a hot tourist destination.
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abefroman329

Quote from: 1995hoo on May 25, 2018, 11:11:33 AM
The Fashion Centre at Pentagon City in Arlington is thriving. I think there are two reasons: (1) easy Metro access; (2) for whatever reason, it seems to have become a hot tourist destination.

(2) is due to (1), as well as the fact that there are many hotels nearby.

What about Ballston Commons?  It never seemed to be doing particularly well, despite also being very close to a Metro stop.

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Quote from: qguy on May 25, 2018, 06:57:23 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 24, 2018, 11:49:36 AM
The King of Prussia Mall outside Philly, near where the Schuylkill Expressway (I-76) meets the PA Turnpike (I-76/276), is doing incredibly well, and just completed another expansion.  It is actually larger than the Mall of America when it comes down to available store space.

SEPTA (Southeast Pennsylvania Transportation Authority, the Philadelphia regional transit agency), has a project to extend a transit rail line to and past the mall. Here's a link to the project: www.kingofprussiarail.com
Two things:

1.  This particular project or ones similar to it (Schuylkill Valley Metro) has been touted out in for nearly (if not over) 20 years. 

2.  Based on the Project Schedule (enclosed in the link); the project will be still in the planning & development stage into next year (2019).

That said, this project IMHO is still at least 8 to 10 years away from becoming reality; and that's if there's no hiccups or delays along the way.
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DTComposer

Valley Fair (straddling the San Jose/Santa Clara border) has always been successful (273 stores, anchored by Macy's and Nordstrom), and now they are in the middle of another expansion that will add about 100 more stores, Bloomingdale's and Neiman-Marcus, a "luxury" movie theater and more restaurants and will expand its retail space to over 2,000,000 square feet.

abefroman329

Quote from: DTComposer on May 25, 2018, 12:26:36 PM
Valley Fair (straddling the San Jose/Santa Clara border) has always been successful (273 stores, anchored by Macy's and Nordstrom), and now they are in the middle of another expansion that will add about 100 more stores, Bloomingdale's and Neiman-Marcus, a "luxury" movie theater and more restaurants and will expand its retail space to over 2,000,000 square feet.

They opened a "luxury" movie theater at Old Orchard.  It'll be a cold day in hell when I pay $25 for a movie ticket in 2018.

1995hoo

Quote from: abefroman329 on May 25, 2018, 11:14:40 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 25, 2018, 11:11:33 AM
The Fashion Centre at Pentagon City in Arlington is thriving. I think there are two reasons: (1) easy Metro access; (2) for whatever reason, it seems to have become a hot tourist destination.

(2) is due to (1), as well as the fact that there are many hotels nearby.

What about Ballston Commons?  It never seemed to be doing particularly well, despite also being very close to a Metro stop.

Ballston Common is closed for reconstruction. I believe Macy's remains open. Not sure about the Regal Cinema.
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commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

webny99

Quote from: Rothman on May 25, 2018, 08:11:21 AM
Heh.  Destiny USA really, really wants to be a destination mall.  Whether it has achieved that goal is up for debate.

It's definitely trying.

In it's favor, people from Rochester actually know it exists now and are prepared to travel there. That's a lot more than could be said for Carousel Center. Back before it became Destiny USA, you would have been looked at like you had three heads if you said "I'm going to Carousel Center for the day!" ("What?")

Now, though, it has a lot more unique features than the malls in Rochester, like Wonder Works and the ropes course, and some different stores, too. That is to say, it's become more attractive for a family outing.

lepidopteran

The Fashion Show Mall on the Las Vegas Strip seems to be doing well as far as I know.  But the mall isn't so much a destination in itself as the LV Strip is.

There are also malls inside some of the larger hotel-casinos, such as Caesar's Palace.  I think they expanded that at least 10 years ago.

dvferyance

Quote from: Brandon on May 24, 2018, 05:21:09 PM
Quote from: inkyatari on May 24, 2018, 05:02:07 PM
Woodfield Mall, Schaumburg, IL

Quote from: Brandon on May 24, 2018, 11:53:24 AM
Many of the remaining Chicagoland malls tend to be destinations.  Most of the ones that weren't are dead now and have mostly been redeveloped.  Among the malls that have had recent expansions and have planned expansions (ignoring the demise of Carson Pirie Scott):

Louis Joliet Mall

Is the Louis going to undergo an expansion, or are you implying they recently underwent one? (I know they added the Cinemark theater complex, but that was 9 years ago or so.)

The theater as of recent, but they still seem to go full blast at 95% occupancy.  I'm wondering what will become of the soon-to-be-former Carson Pirie Scott/Bergner's building.  Von Maur did a lot of nosing around the area in 2007-08 with the Bridge Street Town Center (defunct plan - I-55 & I-80) and another development on IL-59 up by 119th Street.  This is a ready-made building, about the size they wanted, in a center that's doing well, and with a central atrium that's similar to ones they like elsewhere.  It's damn near a perfect fit for them.
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Super Mateo

Quote from: Brandon on May 24, 2018, 11:53:24 AM
Many of the remaining Chicagoland malls tend to be destinations.  Most of the ones that weren't are dead now and have mostly been redeveloped.  Among the malls that have had recent expansions and have planned expansions (ignoring the demise of Carson Pirie Scott):

Orland Square

Orland Square will be dead by 2025.  It's not going to survive at the rate it's going.

-Years ago, it needed trolleys to bring the overflow of people in on Black Friday.  Last year, there was parking available in the morning on Black Friday.
-The nearby Toys R Us has closed, so whatever traffic it brought to Orland Square is gone.
-The anchors are all struggling.  Carson Pirie Scott is dead.  Sears bailed and will be replaced by a theater.  JCPenney is on life support.  Macy's is still there, but some older shoppers were bitter they bought out Marshall Field.
-They've got competition from Orland Park Place, which is a plaza on the other side of 151st Street.  This was once a mall, and it died many years ago.  It was revived with a new format and less traditional mall stores.
-US 45/LaGrange Road is starting to fill up with tons of new places.  The mall won't be necessary anymore.

Any "expansions" they're doing are just efforts to save it.  They won't work.

abefroman329

Quote from: lepidopteran on May 25, 2018, 04:58:41 PM
The Fashion Show Mall on the Las Vegas Strip seems to be doing well as far as I know.  But the mall isn't so much a destination in itself as the LV Strip is.

There are also malls inside some of the larger hotel-casinos, such as Caesar's Palace.  I think they expanded that at least 10 years ago.

The Fashion Show Mall was limping along for the longest time.

ftballfan

In Michigan, the following malls appear healthy: Briarwood Mall (Ann Arbor), Fairlane Town Center (Dearborn), Great Lakes Crossings Outlets (Auburn Hills), Lakeside Mall (Sterling Heights), Mall at Partridge Creek (Clinton Township), RiverTown Crossings (Grandville), Somerset Collection (Troy), Southland Center (Taylor), Twelve Oaks Mall (Novi), Woodland Mall (Grand Rapids)

Sctvhound

In South Carolina, there are maybe 4 or 5 thriving shopping destinations left. In Charleston, you have the Tanger Outlets, which bring in a lot of people from miles around, and Northwoods Mall, the oldest mall in our area, still does a pretty good business with most of its storefronts filled.

Columbia has one thriving mall left, Columbiana Centre. Greenville's Haywood Mall usually is pretty packed.

Myrtle Beach's Coastal Grand also has a lot of popularity, especially among the tourists. Other than that, every other mall in the state has pretty much lost its popularity.

DandyDan

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 25, 2018, 03:16:54 AM
Twin Cities:
Southdale
Ridgedale

Duluth:
Miller Hill
I can't say for sure, but it seemed safe to say Maplewood Mall is doing all right when I went through there a couple weeks ago.  Also, Apache Mall in Rochester is doing all right as well.
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Quote from: Takumi on May 24, 2018, 11:39:32 AM
Short Pump Town Center, Potomac Mills, and that one in Tyson's Corner.

Stony Point Fashion Park seems to be doing well.  No massive volumes of shoppers, but no store fronts appear to be closed.

Willow Lawn is a smaller outdoor mall but seems to be doing well.
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Quote from: qguy on May 25, 2018, 06:57:23 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 24, 2018, 11:49:36 AM
The King of Prussia Mall outside Philly, near where the Schuylkill Expressway (I-76) meets the PA Turnpike (I-76/276), is doing incredibly well, and just completed another expansion.  It is actually larger than the Mall of America when it comes down to available store space.
SEPTA (Southeast Pennsylvania Transportation Authority, the Philadelphia regional transit agency), has a project to extend a transit rail line to and past the mall. Here's a link to the project: www.kingofprussiarail.com

Connecting a whole line of business complexes and residential areas.
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thenetwork

Cleveland:  Great Northern and South Park malls are still alive and kicking.
Akron:  Summit Mall is also doing extremely well.  Fairlawn PD has always kept the riff-raff out of the mall.

KEVIN_224

It may be due to size, but how about the Maine Mall in South Portland? At least 130 stores all spread out on 1 level. Many other retailers are a short distance from it. It also is part of Exit 45 from I-95/Maine Turnpike. (Largest mall in the state.)

jeffandnicole

Quote from: Beltway on May 26, 2018, 07:58:14 AM
Quote from: qguy on May 25, 2018, 06:57:23 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 24, 2018, 11:49:36 AM
The King of Prussia Mall outside Philly, near where the Schuylkill Expressway (I-76) meets the PA Turnpike (I-76/276), is doing incredibly well, and just completed another expansion.  It is actually larger than the Mall of America when it comes down to available store space.
SEPTA (Southeast Pennsylvania Transportation Authority, the Philadelphia regional transit agency), has a project to extend a transit rail line to and past the mall. Here's a link to the project: www.kingofprussiarail.com

Connecting a whole line of business complexes and residential areas.

Yeah.  Another Believe It When I See It project.  While the timeline on several websites is promising, with construction possibly starting next year, it's notable that it doesn't appear on the DVRPC Draft 2019 TIP.  Projects that aren't on the TIP don't get the funding needed to build.

Also, I happened to catch this in one paper: "The KOP Rail extension would reduce travel time between Center City Philadelphia and King of Prussia by approximately 30 minutes each way." ( http://www.timesherald.com/general-news/20180125/key-milestone-enables-king-of-prussia-rail-project-to-move-to-the-next-phase

By car, it takes about 40 minutes with some congestion.  By current mass transit options, it takes about 1 hour to 1 hour 10 minutes.  So how does this rail line, only 4.5 miles in length and requiring a train transfer, reduce travel times to 10 minutes?  Or even a half hour?  Answer: It doesn't.  It'll help get people to King of Prussia, but it is being vastly oversold to a certain population that will buy anything that has 'SEPTA' written on it.

Beltway

Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 26, 2018, 10:46:33 AM
Another Believe It When I See It project.  While the timeline on several websites is promising, with construction possibly starting next year, it's notable that it doesn't appear on the DVRPC Draft 2019 TIP.  Projects that aren't on the TIP don't get the funding needed to build.
Also, I happened to catch this in one paper: "The KOP Rail extension would reduce travel time between Center City Philadelphia and King of Prussia by approximately 30 minutes each way." ( http://www.timesherald.com/general-news/20180125/key-milestone-enables-king-of-prussia-rail-project-to-move-to-the-next-phase
By car, it takes about 40 minutes with some congestion.  By current mass transit options, it takes about 1 hour to 1 hour 10 minutes.  So how does this rail line, only 4.5 miles in length and requiring a train transfer, reduce travel times to 10 minutes?  Or even a half hour?  Answer: It doesn't.  It'll help get people to King of Prussia, but it is being vastly oversold to a certain population that will buy anything that has 'SEPTA' written on it.

I rode the P&W (today's Route 100) some when I lived in the Villanova/Valley Forge area in the 1970s.  It is convenient for a number of designations mostly along its route between 69th Street and Norristown.  Not very convenient for getting to Center City Philadelphia, as you have to transfer to the subway/El at 69th Street.  Over an hour travel time end-to-end, right?
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Takumi

Quote from: Beltway on May 26, 2018, 07:56:09 AM
Quote from: Takumi on May 24, 2018, 11:39:32 AM
Short Pump Town Center, Potomac Mills, and that one in Tyson's Corner.

Stony Point Fashion Park seems to be doing well.  No massive volumes of shoppers, but no store fronts appear to be closed.

Willow Lawn is a smaller outdoor mall but seems to be doing well.
I haven't been to Stony Point in awhile, but it does seem to be doing all right. Willow Lawn has definitely been revitalized over the past decade or two. Chesterfield Town Center seems to be holding on fairly well. Even the Sears isn't totally dead yet.
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Beltway

Quote from: Takumi on May 26, 2018, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: Beltway on May 26, 2018, 07:56:09 AM
Quote from: Takumi on May 24, 2018, 11:39:32 AM
Short Pump Town Center, Potomac Mills, and that one in Tyson's Corner.
Stony Point Fashion Park seems to be doing well.  No massive volumes of shoppers, but no store fronts appear to be closed.
Willow Lawn is a smaller outdoor mall but seems to be doing well.
I haven't been to Stony Point in awhile, but it does seem to be doing all right. Willow Lawn has definitely been revitalized over the past decade or two. Chesterfield Town Center seems to be holding on fairly well. Even the Sears isn't totally dead yet.

The rebuilt Quioccasin Road has been reopened in front of the Regency Mall.  That is part of the effort to give the mall a major entrance road point.
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Quote from: KEVIN_224 on May 26, 2018, 09:54:41 AM
It may be due to size, but how about the Maine Mall in South Portland? At least 130 stores all spread out on 1 level. Many other retailers are a short distance from it. It also is part of Exit 45 from I-95/Maine Turnpike. (Largest mall in the state.)

It's such a destination because there aren't many of these stores within an hour's drive of the mall.  I ended up here once when I went to visit Conway, NH in late October, and it got to be later in the afternoon and everything was closing up.  I figured I'd hop on 302 and head down to Portland and do some shopping and have dinner.   Of course I get there, and the power goes out.  The scary thing is this was right after 9/11, and being near Portland Jetport where the perps of the attacks originated their plot, it was quite freaky.
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