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Started by Alex, August 18, 2009, 12:34:57 AM

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Jim

I took New York 17C from Waverly to NY 282 today, and, as I assume that this was NY 17 before the construction of the Southern Tier Expressway, I was not surprised to see "17" reference markers instead of "17C".  But then I noticed that every once in a while, there would be a "17C" marker.  I noticed three in a stretch of a few miles.  Any of our NYSDOT experts know if these are erroneous, or if they get a "17C" if there's a small rerouting or something, or maybe if this is standard practice if a reference marker just needs replacement?
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Rothman

CT doesn't really have to deal with a toll authority on the same level as the Thruway.

Thruway's not beholden to federal funds, so...*balloon deflating sound*
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SignBridge

Interesting point. Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York and Massachusetts all had a special toll authority or commission to run their Turnpikes and collect tolls. But Connecticut didn't have such an agency as far as I know. And Mass. abolished their Turnpike Authority and is now run by State DOT.

Rothman

Quote from: SignBridge on June 19, 2024, 10:21:05 PMInteresting point. Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York and Massachusetts all had a special toll authority or commission to run their Turnpikes and collect tolls. But Connecticut didn't have such an agency as far as I know. And Mass. abolished their Turnpike Authority and is now run by State DOT.

Sure, but the perception of intense public backlash against exit renumbering is more intense than the public backlash itself, methinks.  Plus, the Thruway numbered its current exits east to west, rather than west to east.

You'd be amazed at how thick the molasses is that sets in when people bring up mileage-based exit numbering in NY.

Have to say NY's lack of mileage-based exit numbers makes my blood boil, though...

(personal opinion emphasized)
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vdeane

Quote from: Rothman on June 19, 2024, 10:00:50 PMCT doesn't really have to deal with a toll authority on the same level as the Thruway.

Thruway's not beholden to federal funds, so...*balloon deflating sound*
I don't see why the Thruway should be setting the tone for what the rest of the state does with exit numbers, for that matter.  Why should what the Thruway does affect the exit numbers on any road not numbered I-90 or I-87 (and honestly, it really shouldn't affect the NYSDOT portions of those either; such would actually have less duplication than exists now)?  If they refused to go along, worst case scenario, we'd be like New Jersey.  Best case scenario, it would at least eliminate the excuse of "why should we be first?".

(personal opinion)
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webny99

The Thruway switching numbers would be ideal, but it wouldn't be the end of the world if the rest of the state switched and the Thruway didn't. The Thruway is obviously unique in other ways too (being tolled, having service areas, statewide exit numbering instead of by route, not posting county line signage, etc.) so the sequential numbers don't seem as out of place to me there as they do on the NYSDOT-maintained interstates. I'd much rather see all of I-86, I-88, I-190 thru I-990, the Northway, and free I-90 in Albany switched than the Thruway.

The Ghostbuster

If the Thruway were to ever convert to mileage-based exits, whichever direction the exits are numbered, they should be continuous with the Major Deegan Expressway. The Thruways' exits should not restart when it becomes the Major Deegan Expressway or vice versa.

Rothman

Quote from: vdeane on June 20, 2024, 12:54:32 PM
Quote from: Rothman on June 19, 2024, 10:00:50 PMCT doesn't really have to deal with a toll authority on the same level as the Thruway.

Thruway's not beholden to federal funds, so...*balloon deflating sound*
I don't see why the Thruway should be setting the tone for what the rest of the state does with exit numbers, for that matter.  Why should what the Thruway does affect the exit numbers on any road not numbered I-90 or I-87 (and honestly, it really shouldn't affect the NYSDOT portions of those either; such would actually have less duplication than exists now)?  If they refused to go along, worst case scenario, we'd be like New Jersey.  Best case scenario, it would at least eliminate the excuse of "why should we be first?".

(personal opinion)

It doesn't.  NYSDOT is slowly converting its highways.  There just isn't an incentive for the Thruway to do so.
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kalvado

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 20, 2024, 06:47:34 PMIf the Thruway were to ever convert to mileage-based exits, whichever direction the exits are numbered, they should be continuous with the Major Deegan Expressway. The Thruways' exits should not restart when it becomes the Major Deegan Expressway or vice versa.
Meanwhile Thruway has to borrow to pay interest on bridge debt.....
I assume $10M per exit would make them reconsider. Is there any spare change in FHWA pockets?

machias

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 20, 2024, 06:47:34 PMIf the Thruway were to ever convert to mileage-based exits, whichever direction the exits are numbered, they should be continuous with the Major Deegan Expressway. The Thruways' exits should not restart when it becomes the Major Deegan Expressway or vice versa.

15 or so years ago NYSDOT region 1 was startled when I mentioned this to them. They had a graphic showing I-87/Northway Exit 2 as "Exit 150" when they were addressing questions about distance based exit numbering. There was a state congressman down in Binghamton trying to get a bill going at the time.  I responded to their graphic and said it should be Exit 157 or Exit 158 and when they asked why I reminded them of the Major Deegan being part of I-87 and they had apparently forgotten that, considering the beginning of the Thruway as mile zero.

D-Dey65

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Quote from: Rothman on June 19, 2024, 10:00:50 PMCT doesn't really have to deal with a toll authority on the same level as the Thruway.

Thruway's not beholden to federal funds, so...*balloon deflating sound*
The old Connecticut Turnpike didn't have a separate authority from the rest of the DOT?

Quote from: roadman65 on June 19, 2024, 08:05:06 PMI can contest to how long it takes in New York to do a sign rehab. It took forever to switch out older text guides.  In fact on the Cross Island in 1988, the guide signs at the LIE still read NY 495 in older style button copy. I believe the switch from NY to interstate took place in 1985 circa.
Speaking of the LIE, whatever they decided to do with the exit numbers, they really have to fix the Borden Avenue/NY 25A fiasco near the Queens-Midtown Tunnel.



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The Ghostbuster

Interstate 781 has had mileage-based exit numbers since it opened in 2012. The only change was to convert Exits 1N/S to Exits 1A/B, which happened in 2015.

cu2010

The change has begun. Exit 9 is now officially Exit 38. Exit tabs and gore signs were replaced while the supplemental signage merely had patches installed. The 2 mile approach signs have an Old Exit 9 sign attached.

So far no others have been changed.
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74/171FAN

Quote from: cu2010 on June 28, 2024, 05:07:40 PMThe change has begun. Exit 9 is now officially Exit 38. Exit tabs and gore signs were replaced while the supplemental signage merely had patches installed. The 2 mile approach signs have an Old Exit 9 sign attached.

So far no others have been changed.

You mean on I-81 right?
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The Ghostbuster

Wikipedia's Interstate 81 in New York page already has some of the old sequential numbers converted to mileage-based numbers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_81_in_New_York#Exit_list. No updates on the Interstate 481/future Interstate 81 or the Interstate/NY 690 pages.

cu2010

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Quote from: 74/171FAN on June 28, 2024, 05:11:05 PM
Quote from: cu2010 on June 28, 2024, 05:07:40 PMThe change has begun. Exit 9 is now officially Exit 38. Exit tabs and gore signs were replaced while the supplemental signage merely had patches installed. The 2 mile approach signs have an Old Exit 9 sign attached.

So far no others have been changed.

You mean on I-81 right?

Lol should have been more clear, yes, I-81.

Of course I think the money could have been better spent fixing the actual highway...the stretch in southern Cortland County is rough as all hell...
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Flyer78

Quote from: cu2010 on June 28, 2024, 05:07:40 PMThe change has begun. Exit 9 is now officially Exit 38. Exit tabs and gore signs were replaced while the supplemental signage merely had patches installed. The 2 mile approach signs have an Old Exit 9 sign attached.

So far no others have been changed.

When did you drive through?

This evening exit 10 north was signed as Exit 50. It appears southbound Exit 50 is also signed, and perhaps more interesting old exit 9 south was signed as Exit 39 (not 38)

Sorry, wasn't able to snap photos.

vdeane

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 28, 2024, 06:26:25 PMWikipedia's Interstate 81 in New York page already has some of the old sequential numbers converted to mileage-based numbers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_81_in_New_York#Exit_list. No updates on the Interstate 481/future Interstate 81 or the Interstate/NY 690 pages.
Interesting that these numbers don't match the conformed RFP plans.  Then again, neither do the actual plans for NY 481.  It's too bad the official new numbers aren't available online anywhere.  Anyone want to FOIL NYSDOT for them?
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Rothman

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Quote from: 74/171FAN on June 28, 2024, 05:11:05 PM
Quote from: cu2010 on June 28, 2024, 05:07:40 PMThe change has begun. Exit 9 is now officially Exit 38. Exit tabs and gore signs were replaced while the supplemental signage merely had patches installed. The 2 mile approach signs have an Old Exit 9 sign attached.

So far no others have been changed.

You mean on I-81 right?

That was just done due to signs needing to be replaced.

People who attended the Oil City meet got the full rundown on this. :D
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cu2010

Quote from: Flyer78 on June 28, 2024, 11:02:30 PMWhen did you drive through?

Thursday afternoon.
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Flyer78

Will be interesting to see what pace they move along at. Google maps is updated for new exit 38 (which they used both north and south) but next is still (old) exit 10.

Entirely possible I mis-read the southbound signs in the mirror. My next trip south should be a week from tomorrow (7/7).

vdeane

Quote from: Rothman on June 29, 2024, 01:04:48 AMThat was just done due to signs needing to be replaced.

People who attended the Oil City meet got the full rundown on this. :D
Aren't the signs on I-81 in Region 3 fairly new?  Same for I-690.
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Rothman

Quote from: vdeane on June 29, 2024, 04:14:03 PM
Quote from: Rothman on June 29, 2024, 01:04:48 AMThat was just done due to signs needing to be replaced.

People who attended the Oil City meet got the full rundown on this. :D
Aren't the signs on I-81 in Region 3 fairly new?  Same for I-690.

Some are, some aren't.  A decent number of OSSes need to be replaced in Onondaga County altogether.
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snowc

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 28, 2024, 06:26:25 PMWikipedia's Interstate 81 in New York page already has some of the old sequential numbers converted to mileage-based numbers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_81_in_New_York#Exit_list. No updates on the Interstate 481/future Interstate 81 or the Interstate/NY 690 pages.
Citation needed.
https://www.dot.ny.gov/news/repository/2024_06_14%20Region%203%20Mile%20Based%20Exit%20Number%20Conversions%20I81_I690_State%20RT%20481.pdf is dead.
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