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#1
General Highway Talk / Re: Road diets / closures you'...
Last post by Rothman - Today at 06:11:46 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on Today at 05:27:25 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 11, 2024, 11:06:36 PMYes, I consider undivided four lane roads to be obsolete.

Especially from a safety standpoint, i.e. head-on collision risk.

MA says, "Pfft."
#2
Mid-Atlantic / Re: Francis Scott Key Bridge (...
Last post by jeffandnicole - Today at 05:45:52 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on Today at 05:29:45 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 12, 2024, 12:15:30 AM.... Since it's unlikely Delaware has any plans to knock down both Chesapeake Bay Bridges or build a tunnel here, there's no reason to offer more than 186 feet of clearance.

The Bay Bridge twin span is in Maryland, not Delaware, so I sincerely hope Delaware doesn't plan to knock it down.

Ugh. I'm finding I'm making more and more of those typos lately. I gotta reread what I write - twice - before I send it.
#3
Mid-Atlantic / Re: Francis Scott Key Bridge (...
Last post by 1995hoo - Today at 05:29:45 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 12, 2024, 12:15:30 AM.... Since it's unlikely Delaware has any plans to knock down both Chesapeake Bay Bridges or build a tunnel here, there's no reason to offer more than 186 feet of clearance.

The Bay Bridge twin span is in Maryland, not Delaware, so I sincerely hope Delaware doesn't plan to knock it down.
#4
General Highway Talk / Re: Road diets / closures you'...
Last post by epzik8 - Today at 05:27:25 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 11, 2024, 11:06:36 PMYes, I consider undivided four lane roads to be obsolete.

Especially from a safety standpoint, i.e. head-on collision risk.
#5
Great Lakes and Ohio Valley / Re: Ohio
Last post by TempoNick - Today at 05:22:03 PM
Quote from: seicer on July 11, 2024, 02:37:07 PMIt's hard to tell when the link he drops shows a view with nothing on it,

The link works for me. It takes you right to the map, and a picture at the exact location.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/rsHodgYdD1KVLJZU6?g_st=ac
#6
Traffic Control / Re: Unique, Odd, or Interestin...
Last post by Amaury - Today at 05:11:05 PM
So, in most cases, you have your standard advance exit signs. In the case of Washington State, it's usually like this:
* The one that says an exit is ahead in one mile with information on what the exit has or where it leads: https://maps.app.goo.gl/xrvAicHeKDyDhE3R8
* The one that says the exit is right there, again with information on what the exit has or where it leads: https://maps.app.goo.gl/r1aLXeJY6k5Cr8549
* And then, of course, the exit gore point sign with just the exit number: https://maps.app.goo.gl/rJxYYprrdYzwiRqy5

In some, but not all, cases, you additionally have a supplemental Next Right sign before the second one in the list above: https://maps.app.goo.gl/23aLWKVCqr89zS186

In the case of Washington State, there are some rare cases where the first sign is placed either 2 miles before the exit or 1/2 before the exit instead of 1 mile:
* Westbound I-82 Exit 3 2 miles: https://maps.app.goo.gl/dPhHGMJvXr8JcY8X7 (eastbound has the standard 1 mile)
* I-82 Exit 29 1/2 mile: https://maps.app.goo.gl/mAzyQvhFQnpwLZbz8

I'm not counting the blue services signs in this, only the green guide signs.

Anyway, Exit 38 on Interstate 90 is a bit of a weird one since they can't even think of a name for it:
* Westbound 1 mile: https://maps.app.goo.gl/vYXQb1RJwzXD7V7J8
* Eastbound 1 mile: https://maps.app.goo.gl/wgSfVP1W4VLqWvqy5

The eastbound one is currently in need of repairs, as something happened to it after that July 2019 capture. I'll have to see if it's still on the ground.

Both directions also do have a supplemental Next Right sign.
* Westbound: https://maps.app.goo.gl/zntdD26j2NdZHrtv7
* Eastbound: https://maps.app.goo.gl/RAEBFjrSEPR3dGQQ9

Once you get to the exit, they again don't have a name for it, so they just have the exit number, which the westbound side doesn't even have:
* Westbound: None
* Eastbound: https://maps.app.goo.gl/LEKHcXE5Rp8rX7MM8

And I tried looking at different captures to see if maybe the sign needs repairs, but there's not a sign standing on any of them.

And then, of course, the exit gore point signs:
* Westbound: https://maps.app.goo.gl/AFQds6NZjTcuEFGv9
* Eastbound: https://maps.app.goo.gl/srEDvGTxjGnD4BKP8

It's also interesting to note that there's about a two-mile difference between Exit 38 on the westbound side and Exit 38 on the eastbound side. Exit 38 is just past milepost 40 on the westbound side and shortly before milepost 38 on the eastbound side.
#7
Welcome! / Greetings from Indiana
Last post by railfan727 - Today at 05:02:40 PM
Hello everyone!

I'm Bruce. A lifelong road and sign enthusiast and Indiana resident. Not a professional transportation employee but I'm well familiar with the MUTCD and I have used it to aid in lifelike recreations of roads and signs. I've done several projects for my soon to be 6 year old son, including a full set of 1/3 scale signs and posts that he can change and even form realistic sign assemblies with.

My latest project is a Road Sign Bingo game for car trips. I've done an edition with only federal signs that can be used anywhere, along with editions specific to states that we frequently travel in that include signs unique to those states (including federal signs that are locally common). I'll be asking you guys for input on this, as well as for photos of state specific signs in states that don't publish drawings (Indiana is an example of that but I have already made the ones I needed/wanted for my bingo cards).

If there's enough interest, I'm considering setting up an Etsy shop to sell the card sets as printable pdf files.
#8
Off-Topic / Re: Target no longer accepting...
Last post by vdeane - Today at 04:54:44 PM
Team team team... now I'm thinking of The IT Crowd.

#9
Central States / Re: Proposed US 412 Upgrade
Last post by vdeane - Today at 04:37:28 PM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on Today at 01:20:08 AMThe only way I-42 would get extended farther West to a point like Woodward was if I-42 was tying into another major corridor.
I-27?
#10
Great Lakes and Ohio Valley / Re: Mackinac Bridge congestion
Last post by vdeane - Today at 04:34:16 PM
Quote from: Rothman on July 12, 2024, 11:44:52 PM
Quote from: webny99 on July 12, 2024, 11:22:58 PM
Quote from: Molandfreak on July 12, 2024, 11:04:04 PM
QuoteIt seems like it's in large part a desire to preserve a slower pace of life where you stop, wait in line, and then pay in cash (aside from the locals for whom MacPass actually makes sense) and to distance themselves, at least psychologically, from "toll road country" (note that there have also been many who are passionate about MI using "fare" instead of "toll" on signs).  This may be a broader regional trend, because E-ZPass usage is lower than in the Northeast, even along the toll road corridors.  Even in NY, E-ZPass utilization was lower around Buffalo than anywhere else in the state, despite the fact that the Thruway is needed there just to get to some of the suburbs on a freeway.  And Ohio was very late to adopting E-ZPass or even any transponder at all, even though, unlike Michigan, they "have a toll road".  Indiana doesn't even have ORT lanes.  Illinois seems to be the main exception.  So it definitely seems like there's something cultural going on.
That's silly. I feel no more connected to Illinois and points east by virtue of being in a state utilizing E-ZPass than I did before that switch was made. It's simply much more convenient for me not to have a separate account since I also visit Illinois often.

I don't think it's that EZPass necessarily connects you to those places on a cultural level, it's that there's just a regional difference in willingness to implement a system that's interoperable with other states, and that may be, at least in part, due to residents of those states being less tolerant of using those systems. And since it's clear that the Midwest is still well behind the Northeast in this regard, it's also fair to intuit a connection between the more slow-paced and down-to-earth lifestyle and resistance to/complacency about technological advancements.

No.
I think it's fair.  Remember all the comments the last time this came up that could be summed up as "we have a slower-paced lifestyle here" and "why are you in such a hurry?"?

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