I submit I-490 in Pittsford, NY, with AADT of 72,450. That's already double our highest two lane candidate, so this should be interesting. Same rules apply, five lanes are allowed provided one is a center turn lane or climbing lane.
I expect the national winner will be in NYC.
As for my area MN 62 has anywhere from 96-109K between Xerxes Ave and MN 77. I-694 between US 10 and I-35E was probably the old winner in the Twin Cities but a widening project is about to finish on that corridor.
The I-76 Schuylkill Expressway's 4-lane sections carry 130,000 to 140,000 AADT.
US (I) 41 on the north side of Appleton, WI is just 4 lanes (two lanes in each direction) AADT is 60-70K IIRC. So not the worst nationwide by any means, but it's still pretty bad and often experiences slowdowns or congestion.
I was thinking the Capital Beltway at Rockville Pike/Wisconsin Ave/MD 355, but it looks like it is 5 instead of four lanes.
Wonder if there is a four-lane parkway or something in the NYC area that would be a contender: Bronx River Parkway, maybe.
Pretty much any section of CA 99 that isn't six lanes. The four lane sections can be pretty brutal with random slow-downs to 30 MPH after 40 plus people line up to pass to a convoy of trucks. Really the best thing that can probably happen to the freeway isn't being upgraded to Interstate standards but being blown out to six lanes from Bakersfield to Sacramento.
How about US 23 between Brighton and Ann Arbor, Michigan? US 23 is four lanes all the way from Flint to the Ohio line and into Ohio when it should be 6 lanes and up to 8 lanes between Brighton and Ann Arbor.
In Idaho it's almost certainly I-84 in Nampa where it drops from 6 to 4 lanes at Franklin Rd. AADT of 79,279. Doesn't help that it's very directional (a significant majority of the traffic is eastbound in the morning, westbound in the afternoon). Clogged up every afternoon from 4 PM to around 6 (sometimes later), even though the rest of the freeway system in Boise and Meridian is usually only congested from like 4:45 to 5:30 or so. Luckily plans are to widen this section starting next year (though only a couple miles are funded right now, as far as I'm aware: it needs to be widened to Caldwell ideally).
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 31, 2017, 08:12:58 AM
Pretty much any section of CA 99 that isn't six lanes. The four lane sections can be pretty brutal with random slow-downs to 30 MPH after 40 plus people line up to pass to a convoy of trucks. Really the best thing that can probably happen to the freeway isn't being upgraded to Interstate standards but being blown out to six lanes from Bakersfield to Sacramento.
Yeah, but if they go to all the expense of adding a pair of lanes, Caltrans would be stupid not to upgrade it to interstate standards at the same time.
Quote from: kkt on November 12, 2017, 12:48:42 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on October 31, 2017, 08:12:58 AM
Pretty much any section of CA 99 that isn't six lanes. The four lane sections can be pretty brutal with random slow-downs to 30 MPH after 40 plus people line up to pass to a convoy of trucks. Really the best thing that can probably happen to the freeway isn't being upgraded to Interstate standards but being blown out to six lanes from Bakersfield to Sacramento.
Yeah, but if they go to all the expense of adding a pair of lanes, Caltrans would be stupid not to upgrade it to interstate standards at the same time.
See that's the thing, I don't know if te right of way is really wide enough to accommodate full Interstate standards. The roadway likely could be blown out to six lanes if it kept the current narrow lanes and narrow shoulders it has now. Really the worst part is the right-on/right-off rampa between Bakersfield and Fresno. Or it could just be me getting sick of fictional Interstate talk that it's kind of passé for me.
Yeah, I'm not saying it should be Interstate standard in order to get a red, white, and blue shield on it. I'm saying it ought to have standard width lanes and shoulders in order to make a safer roadway. Lots of trucks use 99. It should be done.
Virginia has a candidate in I-66 at VA-120 in Arlington County with an AADT of 90,000.
Unsigned VA-90005 (George Washington Memorial Parkway) also Arlington County has an AADT of 71,000 at Spout Run.
In Maryland there's I-270 north of MD-121 (Montgomery County) with an AADT of 81,611.
I-70 (former I-70N) between U.S. 40 and Marriottsville Road (Howard County) has an AADT of 80,719. This is the only part of I-70 that is still four lanes between Baltimore and Frederick.
The southern part of I-97 between U.S. 50/U.S. 301 and MD-178 (Anne Arundel County) has an AADT of 91,191.
I-895 (Baltimore Harbor Tunnel Thruway) in Baltimore City has an AADT of 81,681 approaching the tunnel portal from the south. May be just the traffic passing the toll plaza, but very little traffic uses the ramps just north of the tolls. And yes, it is substantially wider at the toll plaza itself, which is not relevant, since the critical lane capacity north and south of there is 4 lanes.
Unsigned MD-295 (Baltimore Washington Parkway) in Prince George's County might just be considered for the four-lane championship at Powder Mill Road, with a published AADT of 111,662.
Quote from: Rothman on October 31, 2017, 07:58:03 AM
I was thinking the Capital Beltway at Rockville Pike/Wisconsin Ave/MD 355, but it looks like it is 5 instead of four lanes.
It is three lanes on the Outer Loop and two lanes on the Inner Loop of I-495.
Quote from: kkt on November 12, 2017, 09:13:18 PM
Yeah, I'm not saying it should be Interstate standard in order to get a red, white, and blue shield on it. I'm saying it ought to have standard width lanes and shoulders in order to make a safer roadway. Lots of trucks use 99. It should be done.
You'd think the fog would be enough justification let alone the high traffic count.
M4 elevated section in London carries 102,100 vehicles. Sections of the A1 near Gateshead and Newcastle were higher a few years ago, but the roadworks to widen the worst bits of that road have displaced a lot of traffic.
There may be a section of four-lanes in the midst of wider sections that carries higher. The M8 at Charing Cross carries 126,800, but I'm not certain whether that was measured on the 4-lane bit as slip roads are braided and it's all a bit of a mess.
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 31, 2017, 01:53:24 PM
How about US 23 between Brighton and Ann Arbor, Michigan? US 23 is four lanes all the way from Flint to the Ohio line and into Ohio when it should be 6 lanes and up to 8 lanes between Brighton and Ann Arbor.
Agree with you on that!
Here are the busiest 4-lane stretches I can find in MI:
US-23 (I-94/Exit 35 to Washtenaw Ave/Exit 37): 77,432
US-23 (Plymouth Rd/Exit 41 to M-14 East/Exit 42): 75,000
US-23 (Geddes Rd/Exit 39 to Plymouth Rd/Exit 41): 73,400
US-23 (Washtenaw Ave/Exit 37 to Geddes Rd/Exit 39): 73,100
I-94 (State St/Exit 177 to US-23/Exit 180): 71,100 (third lane begins/ends at US-23)
M-14 (Gotfredson Rd/Exit 15 to Beck Rd/Exit 18): 70,300
US-23 (Lee Rd/Exit 58 to I-96/Exit 60): 69,500
US-23 (6 Mile Rd/Exit 50 to Barker Rd/Exit 52): 68,380
US-23 (North Territorial Rd/Exit 49 to 6 Mile Rd/Exit 50): 68,100
US-23 (Silver Lake Rd/Exit 55 to Lee Rd/Exit 58): 67,800
I-96 (M-21/Exit 39 to Cascade Rd/Exit 40): 66,717
US-23 (M-14 West/Exit 45 to North Territorial Rd/Exit 49): 66,700
US-23 (Barker Rd/Exit 52 to 8 Mile Rd/Exit 53): 66,600
M-14 (Business US-23/Exit 3 to US-23/Exit 5): 66,391
US-23 (8 Mile Rd/Exit 53 to M-36/Exit 54): 65,900
US-23 (M-36/Exit 54 to Silver Lake Rd/Exit 55): 64,300
I-94 through Jackson and US-31 through Muskegon are above 60k in spots, but not above any of these listed
Several candidates in CA: any part of US 101 that's 4-lane between Rincon (the end of the 6-lane section extending up the coast from L.A.) and Gilroy, where the 6+ lane segment in the Bay Area commences. Also most of CA 152; the 4-lane segment continues through Los Banos as a simple 4-lane arterial; the entire length is generally full of trucks, particularly the portion west of I-5.
I discussed CA 58 in the heavy-truck-use thread; no need to repeat myself here, although most of the freeway/expressway segments are 4-lane facilities.
Quote from: sparker on November 20, 2017, 03:05:01 PM
Several candidates in CA: any part of US 101 that's 4-lane between Rincon (the end of the 6-lane section extending up the coast from L.A.) and Gilroy, where the 6+ lane segment in the Bay Area commences. Also most of CA 152; the 4-lane segment continues through Los Banos as a simple 4-lane arterial; the entire length is generally full of trucks, particularly the portion west of I-5.
I discussed CA 58 in the heavy-truck-use thread; no need to repeat myself here, although most of the freeway/expressway segments are 4-lane facilities.
As I said near the beginning, the I-76 Schuylkill Expressway's 4-lane sections carry 130,000 to 140,000 AADT.
Has any other cited location approached that?
Quote from: sparker on November 20, 2017, 03:05:01 PM
Several candidates in CA: any part of US 101 that's 4-lane between Rincon (the end of the 6-lane section extending up the coast from L.A.) and Gilroy, where the 6+ lane segment in the Bay Area commences. Also most of CA 152; the 4-lane segment continues through Los Banos as a simple 4-lane arterial; the entire length is generally full of trucks, particularly the portion west of I-5.
I discussed CA 58 in the heavy-truck-use thread; no need to repeat myself here, although most of the freeway/expressway segments are 4-lane facilities.
Someone posted a link to the traffic counts for most of the CalTrans roads. I'd like to look at the counts for I-5 from CASR-12 to Hammer Lane.
Quote from: ftballfan on November 20, 2017, 11:28:48 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 31, 2017, 01:53:24 PM
How about US 23 between Brighton and Ann Arbor, Michigan? US 23 is four lanes all the way from Flint to the Ohio line and into Ohio when it should be 6 lanes and up to 8 lanes between Brighton and Ann Arbor.
Agree with you on that!
Here are the busiest 4-lane stretches I can find in MI:
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Do you have any count data on US-12? Of particular interest is the stretch between I-94 and Ecorse Rd. south and east of Ypsilanti. Traffic patterns have been changed to remove westbound traffic from the westbound lanes and reroute that traffic onto a four-lane undivided road with traffic signals. It's a bloodbath waiting to happen.
Quote from: renegade on November 21, 2017, 12:26:01 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on November 20, 2017, 11:28:48 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 31, 2017, 01:53:24 PM
How about US 23 between Brighton and Ann Arbor, Michigan? US 23 is four lanes all the way from Flint to the Ohio line and into Ohio when it should be 6 lanes and up to 8 lanes between Brighton and Ann Arbor.
Agree with you on that!
Here are the busiest 4-lane stretches I can find in MI:
[snip]
Do you have any count data on US-12? Of particular interest is the stretch between I-94 and Ecorse Rd. south and east of Ypsilanti. Traffic patterns have been changed to remove westbound traffic from the westbound lanes and reroute that traffic onto a four-lane undivided road with traffic signals. It's a bloodbath waiting to happen.
That stretch of US-12 is surprisingly low. It's below 30,000 between I-94 and Ecorse Rd and not much higher than the two-lane stretch near US-23.
Also, I-196 from Fuller Ave/Exit 79 to I-96 has an AADT of 73,506 and it's only four lanes
I-5 between CA 12 and Elk Grove (S. of Sacramento); now that it's part of ultra-long commutes (due to the regional housing price differentials), it's seeing much more traffic than even ten years ago. Definitely a candidate for 6+ lanes (although with the sponge-like Delta ground it traverses, even adding median lanes would likely pose a very expensive prospect).
Quote from: ftballfan on November 20, 2017, 11:28:48 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 31, 2017, 01:53:24 PM
How about US 23 between Brighton and Ann Arbor, Michigan? US 23 is four lanes all the way from Flint to the Ohio line and into Ohio when it should be 6 lanes and up to 8 lanes between Brighton and Ann Arbor.
Agree with you on that!
Here are the busiest 4-lane stretches I can find in MI:
US-23 (I-94/Exit 35 to Washtenaw Ave/Exit 37): 77,432
US-23 (Plymouth Rd/Exit 41 to M-14 East/Exit 42): 75,000
US-23 (Geddes Rd/Exit 39 to Plymouth Rd/Exit 41): 73,400
US-23 (Washtenaw Ave/Exit 37 to Geddes Rd/Exit 39): 73,100
I-94 (State St/Exit 177 to US-23/Exit 180): 71,100 (third lane begins/ends at US-23)
M-14 (Gotfredson Rd/Exit 15 to Beck Rd/Exit 18): 70,300
US-23 (Lee Rd/Exit 58 to I-96/Exit 60): 69,500
US-23 (6 Mile Rd/Exit 50 to Barker Rd/Exit 52): 68,380
US-23 (North Territorial Rd/Exit 49 to 6 Mile Rd/Exit 50): 68,100
US-23 (Silver Lake Rd/Exit 55 to Lee Rd/Exit 58): 67,800
I-96 (M-21/Exit 39 to Cascade Rd/Exit 40): 66,717
US-23 (M-14 West/Exit 45 to North Territorial Rd/Exit 49): 66,700
US-23 (Barker Rd/Exit 52 to 8 Mile Rd/Exit 53): 66,600
M-14 (Business US-23/Exit 3 to US-23/Exit 5): 66,391
US-23 (8 Mile Rd/Exit 53 to M-36/Exit 54): 65,900
US-23 (M-36/Exit 54 to Silver Lake Rd/Exit 55): 64,300
I-94 through Jackson and US-31 through Muskegon are above 60k in spots, but not above any of these listed
Wow and just think that I-75 in northern Genesee County is eight lanes and has roughly the same volume of traffic as US 23 does between I-94 and M-17 even though that's a two mile stretch. I-94 should be six lanes through the entire state with it being widened even further in the Detroit area, watching how much truck traffic uses I-94 between Detroit and Chicago is a nightmare with only two lanes and trucks often using the left lane to pass slowing everyone behind the truck down. I drive 80 mph on the Interstate's and coming up to something like that where you have to slow down to like 63 mph while a truck is passing is super annoying and that is the problem I have with US 23 and I-94 and I can't think of many other four lane highways that bother me as much as those two do.
Quote from: renegade on November 21, 2017, 12:26:01 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on November 20, 2017, 11:28:48 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 31, 2017, 01:53:24 PM
How about US 23 between Brighton and Ann Arbor, Michigan? US 23 is four lanes all the way from Flint to the Ohio line and into Ohio when it should be 6 lanes and up to 8 lanes between Brighton and Ann Arbor.
Agree with you on that!
Here are the busiest 4-lane stretches I can find in MI:
[snip]
Do you have any count data on US-12? Of particular interest is the stretch between I-94 and Ecorse Rd. south and east of Ypsilanti. Traffic patterns have been changed to remove westbound traffic from the westbound lanes and reroute that traffic onto a four-lane undivided road with traffic signals. It's a bloodbath waiting to happen.
I thought that stretch of US 12 out by Willow Run was a six lane highway.
Quote from: ftballfan on November 25, 2017, 09:46:48 PM
Quote from: renegade on November 21, 2017, 12:26:01 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on November 20, 2017, 11:28:48 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 31, 2017, 01:53:24 PM
How about US 23 between Brighton and Ann Arbor, Michigan? US 23 is four lanes all the way from Flint to the Ohio line and into Ohio when it should be 6 lanes and up to 8 lanes between Brighton and Ann Arbor.
Agree with you on that!
Here are the busiest 4-lane stretches I can find in MI:
[snip]
Do you have any count data on US-12? Of particular interest is the stretch between I-94 and Ecorse Rd. south and east of Ypsilanti. Traffic patterns have been changed to remove westbound traffic from the westbound lanes and reroute that traffic onto a four-lane undivided road with traffic signals. It's a bloodbath waiting to happen.
That stretch of US-12 is surprisingly low. It's below 30,000 between I-94 and Ecorse Rd and not much higher than the two-lane stretch near US-23.
I don't really know of any stretch of US 12 in Michigan seeing that big of numbers for traffic. Even in Detroit along Michigan Avenue it's not as busy as you would think it would be since Michigan is a major street in Detroit but some of it runs next to I-75 and some of it runs next to I-94 which might have something to do with it. I for one have never liked the Detroit freeway system very much it's too overdone imo.
Quote from: Flint1979 on November 26, 2017, 09:14:27 AM
I for one have never liked the Detroit freeway system very much it's too overdone imo.
Two things to remember:
1. Detroit has lost almost ⅔ of its population from its peak.
2. There are many arterials that work
much better than in other metros.
Without these two things, Detroit's freeways would probably not be overdone.
I-440 in Raleigh, NC between I-40/US-1 interchange and Wade Avenue.
I-64 in Chesapeake, VA.
Quote from: 1 on November 26, 2017, 09:24:38 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on November 26, 2017, 09:14:27 AM
I for one have never liked the Detroit freeway system very much it's too overdone imo.
Two things to remember:
1. Detroit has lost almost ⅔ of its population from its peak.
2. There are many arterials that work much better than in other metros.
Without these two things, Detroit's freeways would probably not be overdone.
Detroit's freeway system was overdone when it was constructed. The city itself has 2/3rd's of it's peak population but the metro area has more people today than when the city was at it's peak population. In 1950 Detroit had 1.8 million people with 3.2 million in the metro area, today Detroit has about 650,000 people with 4.3 million in the metro area. So the city declined but the metro area increased.
Quote from: Flint1979 on November 26, 2017, 09:56:15 AM
Quote from: 1 on November 26, 2017, 09:24:38 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on November 26, 2017, 09:14:27 AM
I for one have never liked the Detroit freeway system very much it's too overdone imo.
Two things to remember:
1. Detroit has lost almost ⅔ of its population from its peak.
2. There are many arterials that work much better than in other metros.
Without these two things, Detroit's freeways would probably not be overdone.
Detroit's freeway system was overdone when it was constructed. The city itself has 2/3rd's of it's peak population but the metro area has more people today than when the city was at it's peak population. In 1950 Detroit had 1.8 million people with 3.2 million in the metro area, today Detroit has about 650,000 people with 4.3 million in the metro area. So the city declined but the metro area increased.
And its reflected in the huge traffic problems out on roadways like I-275 and I-696. Really the Metro Area has merged with Flint and Ann Arbor, it essentially is all one big urban area now. It wasn't really even like that when I was living there in the 1980s.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 26, 2017, 10:32:49 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on November 26, 2017, 09:56:15 AM
Quote from: 1 on November 26, 2017, 09:24:38 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on November 26, 2017, 09:14:27 AM
I for one have never liked the Detroit freeway system very much it's too overdone imo.
Two things to remember:
1. Detroit has lost almost ⅔ of its population from its peak.
2. There are many arterials that work much better than in other metros.
Without these two things, Detroit's freeways would probably not be overdone.
Detroit's freeway system was overdone when it was constructed. The city itself has 2/3rd's of it's peak population but the metro area has more people today than when the city was at it's peak population. In 1950 Detroit had 1.8 million people with 3.2 million in the metro area, today Detroit has about 650,000 people with 4.3 million in the metro area. So the city declined but the metro area increased.
And its reflected in the huge traffic problems out on roadways like I-275 and I-696. Really the Metro Area has merged with Flint and Ann Arbor, it essentially is all one big urban area now. It wasn't really even like that when I was living there in the 1980s.
Maybe with Ann Arbor but there is still a pretty big gap between Pontiac and Grand Blanc that is pretty rural and not urban at all.
Here are the busiest 4-lane stretches I can find in MI (with updated 2017 AADT):
US-23 (I-94/Exit 35 to Washtenaw Ave/Exit 37): 90,956
US-23 (Washtenaw Ave/Exit 37 to Geddes Rd/Exit 39): 86,289
US-23 (Plymouth Rd/Exit 41 to M-14 East/Exit 42): 85,192
US-23 (Geddes Rd/Exit 39 to Plymouth Rd/Exit 41): 84,867
M-14 (M-153/Exit 10 to Gotfredson Rd/Exit 15); 84,160
M-14 (Gotfredson Rd/Exit 15 to Beck Rd/Exit 18): 83,268
I-496 (Trowbridge Rd/Exit 9 to Dunckel Rd/Exit 11): 75,558
I-94 (State St/Exit 177 to US-23/Exit 180): 71,374 (third lane begins/ends at US-23)
I-96 (Walker Ave/Exit 28 to Alpine Ave/Exit 30): 71,360
I-94 (BL I-94/Exit 81 to 36th St/Exit 85): 70,333
I-94 (Fletcher Rd/Exit 162 to Baker Rd/Exit 167): 70,018 (third lane begins/ends at around MM 166)
US-23 (6 Mile Rd/Exit 50 to Barker Rd/Exit 52): 69,132
I-96 (M-21/Exit 39 to Cascade Rd/Exit 40): 67,451
M-14 (Business US-23/Exit 3 to US-23/Exit 5): 67,121
US-23 (Lee Rd/Exit 58 to I-96/Exit 60): 65,508
I-94 (36th St/Exit 85 to Michigan Ave/Exit 88): 65,497
I-496 (Dunckel Rd/Exit 11 to I-96/Exit 12): 65,282
Most of the following corridors are over 60k, but don't quite reach the 65k cutoff for this list:
US-23 from Brighton to Ann Arbor
I-94 in the Jackson and Battle Creek areas
US-31 through Muskegon
Like Beltway mentioned, I see 127k on two different sections of the Schulykill in the Philly area, and 130k as the highest between University Ave and Vine St. (2016AADT)
We also have 88k on the Roosevelt Expressway (US1) between 16th St and Broad St.
90k across the Lehigh River on US22 in Allentown is high on the list also.
http://www.dot7.state.pa.us/BPR_PDF_FILES/MAPS/Traffic/Traffic_Volume/Statewide/Statewide_2016_tv.pdf
I'm still expecting some NYC roads to take the crown, but hopefully they had the sense to expand once upon a time..
Quote from: ftballfan on August 23, 2018, 12:08:55 PM
Here are the busiest 4-lane stretches I can find in MI (with updated 2017 AADT):
US-23 (I-94/Exit 35 to Washtenaw Ave/Exit 37): 90,956
US-23 (Washtenaw Ave/Exit 37 to Geddes Rd/Exit 39): 86,289
US-23 (Plymouth Rd/Exit 41 to M-14 East/Exit 42): 85,192
US-23 (Geddes Rd/Exit 39 to Plymouth Rd/Exit 41): 84,867
M-14 (M-153/Exit 10 to Gotfredson Rd/Exit 15); 84,160
M-14 (Gotfredson Rd/Exit 15 to Beck Rd/Exit 18): 83,268
I-496 (Trowbridge Rd/Exit 9 to Dunckel Rd/Exit 11): 75,558
I-94 (State St/Exit 177 to US-23/Exit 180): 71,374 (third lane begins/ends at US-23)
I-96 (Walker Ave/Exit 28 to Alpine Ave/Exit 30): 71,360
I-94 (BL I-94/Exit 81 to 36th St/Exit 85): 70,333
I-94 (Fletcher Rd/Exit 162 to Baker Rd/Exit 167): 70,018 (third lane begins/ends at around MM 166)
US-23 (6 Mile Rd/Exit 50 to Barker Rd/Exit 52): 69,132
I-96 (M-21/Exit 39 to Cascade Rd/Exit 40): 67,451
M-14 (Business US-23/Exit 3 to US-23/Exit 5): 67,121
US-23 (Lee Rd/Exit 58 to I-96/Exit 60): 65,508
I-94 (36th St/Exit 85 to Michigan Ave/Exit 88): 65,497
I-496 (Dunckel Rd/Exit 11 to I-96/Exit 12): 65,282
Most of the following corridors are over 60k, but don't quite reach the 65k cutoff for this list:
US-23 from Brighton to Ann Arbor
I-94 in the Jackson and Battle Creek areas
US-31 through Muskegon
I really don't understand what the holdup on widening US-23 from the split with I-75 in Flint to a little south of Ann Arbor really the whole stretch should be more than four lanes. Telegraph sees roughly the same amount of traffic US-23 does in the I-94 to M-14 area and has I believe 8 lanes between the Mixing Bowl and 12 Mile. M-14 could use a third lane too between Ann Arbor and Plymouth. Besides I-94 getting cut down to four lanes way too quickly in the Ann Arbor area I don't see much of a problem with the rest of the system. I-94 is another one that should be at least 6 lanes throughout the state and 8 through Detroit and Ann Arbor and Kalamazoo. I'd say it should even be 10 lanes going through Midtown Detroit with a cap.
In CO I'd guess probably I-270 and parts of I-70 coming out of the mountains on Sundays. I-270 pretty much backs up in one direction or the other all day.
Quote from: Flint1979 on November 26, 2017, 09:08:11 AM
Wow and just think that I-75 in northern Genesee County is eight lanes and has roughly the same volume of traffic as US 23 does between I-94 and M-17 even though that's a two mile stretch. I-94 should be six lanes through the entire state with it being widened even further in the Detroit area, watching how much truck traffic uses I-94 between Detroit and Chicago is a nightmare with only two lanes and trucks often using the left lane to pass slowing everyone behind the truck down. I drive 80 mph on the Interstate's and coming up to something like that where you have to slow down to like 63 mph while a truck is passing is super annoying and that is the problem I have with US 23 and I-94 and I can't think of many other four lane highways that bother me as much as those two do.
You drive 80? The problem then isn't the road design or the trucks. You're trying to drive too fast for traffic and road conditions, and frustrating yourself in the process.
I don't know what IL's busiest is overall, but I thought that I-80 going through Joliet would be an easy winner as this backs up every day just from the massive traffic levels alone. However, a quick look at IDOT's AADT counts shows that I-57 between I-80 and Vollmer is busier (87,800) than the entire stretch of I-80 in Joliet.
Quote from: Super Mateo on August 24, 2018, 09:04:56 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on November 26, 2017, 09:08:11 AM
Wow and just think that I-75 in northern Genesee County is eight lanes and has roughly the same volume of traffic as US 23 does between I-94 and M-17 even though that's a two mile stretch. I-94 should be six lanes through the entire state with it being widened even further in the Detroit area, watching how much truck traffic uses I-94 between Detroit and Chicago is a nightmare with only two lanes and trucks often using the left lane to pass slowing everyone behind the truck down. I drive 80 mph on the Interstate's and coming up to something like that where you have to slow down to like 63 mph while a truck is passing is super annoying and that is the problem I have with US 23 and I-94 and I can't think of many other four lane highways that bother me as much as those two do.
You drive 80? The problem then isn't the road design or the trucks. You're trying to drive too fast for traffic and road conditions, and frustrating yourself in the process.
Nah. I think slowing down to 63 because of a slow truck is the issue. And I'm gonna guess he's not the only one forced to slow down while the trucker takes his good ole' time passing, because I'm sure he's gonna say his tax money pays for the road so he doesn't care what aggravation is inflicted upon others.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 24, 2018, 09:22:51 AM
Quote from: Super Mateo on August 24, 2018, 09:04:56 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on November 26, 2017, 09:08:11 AM
Wow and just think that I-75 in northern Genesee County is eight lanes and has roughly the same volume of traffic as US 23 does between I-94 and M-17 even though that's a two mile stretch. I-94 should be six lanes through the entire state with it being widened even further in the Detroit area, watching how much truck traffic uses I-94 between Detroit and Chicago is a nightmare with only two lanes and trucks often using the left lane to pass slowing everyone behind the truck down. I drive 80 mph on the Interstate's and coming up to something like that where you have to slow down to like 63 mph while a truck is passing is super annoying and that is the problem I have with US 23 and I-94 and I can't think of many other four lane highways that bother me as much as those two do.
You drive 80? The problem then isn't the road design or the trucks. You're trying to drive too fast for traffic and road conditions, and frustrating yourself in the process.
Nah. I think slowing down to 63 because of a slow truck is the issue. And I'm gonna guess he's not the only one forced to slow down while the trucker takes his good ole' time passing, because I'm sure he's gonna say his tax money pays for the road so he doesn't care what aggravation is inflicted upon others.
I think the optimal solution, assuming there are trucks with speed governors, is to have the right lane go 60-65 (the speed of the trucks), while the left lane goes faster, maybe 75-80. Speeding tickets should only be given for blatant violations, which is already the case on some freeways. (If they need to make up for lost speeding tickets, they can go after expired inspection/registration.)
I would vote out the speed governors in November, except it's the wrong type of governor.
Quote from: Super Mateo on August 24, 2018, 09:04:56 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on November 26, 2017, 09:08:11 AM
Wow and just think that I-75 in northern Genesee County is eight lanes and has roughly the same volume of traffic as US 23 does between I-94 and M-17 even though that's a two mile stretch. I-94 should be six lanes through the entire state with it being widened even further in the Detroit area, watching how much truck traffic uses I-94 between Detroit and Chicago is a nightmare with only two lanes and trucks often using the left lane to pass slowing everyone behind the truck down. I drive 80 mph on the Interstate's and coming up to something like that where you have to slow down to like 63 mph while a truck is passing is super annoying and that is the problem I have with US 23 and I-94 and I can't think of many other four lane highways that bother me as much as those two do.
You drive 80? The problem then isn't the road design or the trucks. You're trying to drive too fast for traffic and road conditions, and frustrating yourself in the process.
I don't know what IL's busiest is overall, but I thought that I-80 going through Joliet would be an easy winner as this backs up every day just from the massive traffic levels alone. However, a quick look at IDOT's AADT counts shows that I-57 between I-80 and Vollmer is busier (87,800) than the entire stretch of I-80 in Joliet.
Pretty much everyone drives 80 on the freeways in Michigan, some drive even faster. 80 mph on I-75 really isn't too fast for the traffic or road conditions, you could drive 100 mph on I-75 and be fine.
I know Illinois' busiest road is the Dan Ryan/Kennedy combo but as far as 4 lanes I'm not sure on that one. There is a stretch of the Bishop Ford that breaks down to four lanes before going into the 14 lane Dan Ryan and the curve where the Stevenson is I believe is still four lanes for what reason I don't know and that 45 mph stretch is what backs things up there in my opinion. That has to be one of the worst stretches of Interstate highway anywhere as far as traffic and the way it's designed. The Circle Interchange is a nightmare.
Quote from: Super Mateo on August 24, 2018, 09:04:56 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on November 26, 2017, 09:08:11 AM
I-94 should be six lanes through the entire state with it being widened even further in the Detroit area, watching how much truck traffic uses I-94 between Detroit and Chicago is a nightmare with only two lanes and trucks often using the left lane to pass slowing everyone behind the truck down. I drive 80 mph on the Interstate's and coming up to something like that where you have to slow down to like 63 mph while a truck is passing is super annoying and that is the problem I have with US 23 and I-94 and I can't think of many other four lane highways that bother me as much as those two do.
You drive 80? The problem then isn't the road design or the trucks. You're trying to drive too fast for traffic and road conditions, and frustrating yourself in the process.
I've been to Michigan enough times that I wasn't surprised to hear a resident say they drive 80. Actually, I was more impressed by the incredible length of the sentence that followed. [catches breath] :-o
Just occurred to me that I-5 between the I-84 exits and the northern I-405 interchange in PDX might well be the heaviest-used 4-lane section of freeway in OR (although I have heard that it may be due for an expansion). When I was up there ('93-'97) it certainly seemed that way (although occasionally I-205 from I-5 over to Oregon City gave it a run for its money).
Quote from: webny99 on August 24, 2018, 10:11:09 PM
Quote from: Super Mateo on August 24, 2018, 09:04:56 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on November 26, 2017, 09:08:11 AM
I-94 should be six lanes through the entire state with it being widened even further in the Detroit area, watching how much truck traffic uses I-94 between Detroit and Chicago is a nightmare with only two lanes and trucks often using the left lane to pass slowing everyone behind the truck down. I drive 80 mph on the Interstate's and coming up to something like that where you have to slow down to like 63 mph while a truck is passing is super annoying and that is the problem I have with US 23 and I-94 and I can't think of many other four lane highways that bother me as much as those two do.
You drive 80? The problem then isn't the road design or the trucks. You're trying to drive too fast for traffic and road conditions, and frustrating yourself in the process.
I've been to Michigan enough times that I wasn't surprised to hear a resident say they drive 80. Actually, I was more impressed by the incredible length of the sentence that followed. [catches breath] :-o
Yeah I think I remember you commenting on it before. 80 mph on an Interstate really isn't that much.
^ I agree, and I believe I have commented on Michigan being reasonable with setting speed limits; the result being that traffic moving at 80 mph is much more common than it is in other states.
I just moved from St Louis. Here's a few in the STL area:
I-70 in Wentzville btwn Wentzville Pkwy and Church St - 82,472
I-70 in St Louis downtown "Depressed Lanes" - 86,450
I-70 in Columbia, MO btwn Rangeline and Providence - 68,012
I-70 in Columbia, MO btwn Providence and West Blvd - 68,898
All the bad traffic is on the Missouri side. I'd like to give an honorable mention to the six-lane section of US 40/I-64 in Richmond Heights which handles a whopping 179,352 AADT. Why this section wasn't upgraded to eight lanes when they closed and completely rebuilt the highway ten years ago is still a mystery to St Louis drivers.
https://www.modot.org/safety/trafficvolumemaps.htm
Quote from: webny99 on August 26, 2018, 05:14:15 PM
^ I agree, and I believe I have commented on Michigan being reasonable with setting speed limits; the result being that traffic moving at 80 mph is much more common than it is in other states.
Depending on how the traffic is flowing I'll go up to 85 at times too.
Quote from: sparker on August 25, 2018, 01:47:34 AM
Just occurred to me that I-5 between the I-84 exits and the northern I-405 interchange in PDX might well be the heaviest-used 4-lane section of freeway in OR (although I have heard that it may be due for an expansion). When I was up there ('93-'97) it certainly seemed that way (although occasionally I-205 from I-5 over to Oregon City gave it a run for its money).
Yes, you are right, but I-405 and OR 217 now can also give it another run for its money.
2016 AADT:
I-5 at mp 249: 65,000
I-5 Rose Quarter: 121,400
I-205 at West Linn 92,600
OR 217 at 99W: 100,000
I-405 at Glisan: 105,400
I-205 also has been widened from I-5 to Stafford around the 07 08 timeframe, but Stafford to Oregon City is still 4 laned (mp 3-9).
That expansion you are referring to also only adds an auxillary lane. If it can go through, the 4 lane AADT will be reduced to about 90,000. Truthfully, it needs a major redesign to be congestion free.
Also does anyone know what I-5 in downtown Seattle's AADT is? Correct me if I'm wrong but it does reduce to 5 lanes at its skinniest point.
LG-TP260
Quote from: ftballfan on November 20, 2017, 11:28:48 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 31, 2017, 01:53:24 PM
How about US 23 between Brighton and Ann Arbor, Michigan? US 23 is four lanes all the way from Flint to the Ohio line and into Ohio when it should be 6 lanes and up to 8 lanes between Brighton and Ann Arbor.
Agree with you on that!
Here are the busiest 4-lane stretches I can find in MI:
US-23 (I-94/Exit 35 to Washtenaw Ave/Exit 37): 77,432
US-23 (Plymouth Rd/Exit 41 to M-14 East/Exit 42): 75,000
US-23 (Geddes Rd/Exit 39 to Plymouth Rd/Exit 41): 73,400
US-23 (Washtenaw Ave/Exit 37 to Geddes Rd/Exit 39): 73,100
I-94 (State St/Exit 177 to US-23/Exit 180): 71,100 (third lane begins/ends at US-23)
M-14 (Gotfredson Rd/Exit 15 to Beck Rd/Exit 18): 70,300
US-23 (Lee Rd/Exit 58 to I-96/Exit 60): 69,500
US-23 (6 Mile Rd/Exit 50 to Barker Rd/Exit 52): 68,380
US-23 (North Territorial Rd/Exit 49 to 6 Mile Rd/Exit 50): 68,100
US-23 (Silver Lake Rd/Exit 55 to Lee Rd/Exit 58): 67,800
I-96 (M-21/Exit 39 to Cascade Rd/Exit 40): 66,717
US-23 (M-14 West/Exit 45 to North Territorial Rd/Exit 49): 66,700
US-23 (Barker Rd/Exit 52 to 8 Mile Rd/Exit 53): 66,600
M-14 (Business US-23/Exit 3 to US-23/Exit 5): 66,391
US-23 (8 Mile Rd/Exit 53 to M-36/Exit 54): 65,900
US-23 (M-36/Exit 54 to Silver Lake Rd/Exit 55): 64,300
I-94 through Jackson and US-31 through Muskegon are above 60k in spots, but not above any of these listed
When I-296 and US-131 split just south of I-96, each highway is four lanes. For those small stretches, the AADT's are 110,500 and 109,300, respectively.
Quote from: adwerkema on August 30, 2018, 05:49:56 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on November 20, 2017, 11:28:48 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 31, 2017, 01:53:24 PM
How about US 23 between Brighton and Ann Arbor, Michigan? US 23 is four lanes all the way from Flint to the Ohio line and into Ohio when it should be 6 lanes and up to 8 lanes between Brighton and Ann Arbor.
Agree with you on that!
Here are the busiest 4-lane stretches I can find in MI:
US-23 (I-94/Exit 35 to Washtenaw Ave/Exit 37): 77,432
US-23 (Plymouth Rd/Exit 41 to M-14 East/Exit 42): 75,000
US-23 (Geddes Rd/Exit 39 to Plymouth Rd/Exit 41): 73,400
US-23 (Washtenaw Ave/Exit 37 to Geddes Rd/Exit 39): 73,100
I-94 (State St/Exit 177 to US-23/Exit 180): 71,100 (third lane begins/ends at US-23)
M-14 (Gotfredson Rd/Exit 15 to Beck Rd/Exit 18): 70,300
US-23 (Lee Rd/Exit 58 to I-96/Exit 60): 69,500
US-23 (6 Mile Rd/Exit 50 to Barker Rd/Exit 52): 68,380
US-23 (North Territorial Rd/Exit 49 to 6 Mile Rd/Exit 50): 68,100
US-23 (Silver Lake Rd/Exit 55 to Lee Rd/Exit 58): 67,800
I-96 (M-21/Exit 39 to Cascade Rd/Exit 40): 66,717
US-23 (M-14 West/Exit 45 to North Territorial Rd/Exit 49): 66,700
US-23 (Barker Rd/Exit 52 to 8 Mile Rd/Exit 53): 66,600
M-14 (Business US-23/Exit 3 to US-23/Exit 5): 66,391
US-23 (8 Mile Rd/Exit 53 to M-36/Exit 54): 65,900
US-23 (M-36/Exit 54 to Silver Lake Rd/Exit 55): 64,300
I-94 through Jackson and US-31 through Muskegon are above 60k in spots, but not above any of these listed
When I-296 and US-131 split just south of I-96, each highway is four lanes. For those small stretches, the AADT's are 110,500 and 109,300, respectively.
Look at all the US-23's on there and that highway still hasn't got widened. It's ridiculous that they have those kind of traffic volumes and do not do anything to widen the freeway. The traffic problems on US-23 have been an ongoing problem for years and they just don't do anything to resolve the problem. Those stupid lanes they added south of I-96 that they close down for whatever reason are pointless. Why didn't they just add a third lane and be done with it? What's the point of closing the lane down when it's there 24 hours a day and actually could be accessed 24 hours a day? There isn't any gate or anything stopping you from traveling in that lane so I don't see why it ever needs to be closed down. MDOT is slacking on US-23 and it's a problem.
Actually last night I had to drive on US-23 between I-75 and I-96 and I had been traveling about 80 mph on I-75 until I get south of I-69 due to the mess that is the US-23/I-75 split, lots of lane changing and people not getting in the correct lanes for which highway they will be staying on. Then I get on US-23 and people want to get in the left lane and drive 70 mph I swear one car last night just stayed in the left lane and I had to use the right lane to pass several vehicles it's just beyond stupid. If someone wants to drive faster why do people have to stay in the lane and prevent that person from driving faster? US-23 is a JOKE in southern Michigan.
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 31, 2018, 11:39:11 AM
Quote from: adwerkema on August 30, 2018, 05:49:56 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on November 20, 2017, 11:28:48 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 31, 2017, 01:53:24 PM
How about US 23 between Brighton and Ann Arbor, Michigan? US 23 is four lanes all the way from Flint to the Ohio line and into Ohio when it should be 6 lanes and up to 8 lanes between Brighton and Ann Arbor.
Agree with you on that!
Here are the busiest 4-lane stretches I can find in MI:
US-23 (I-94/Exit 35 to Washtenaw Ave/Exit 37): 77,432
US-23 (Plymouth Rd/Exit 41 to M-14 East/Exit 42): 75,000
US-23 (Geddes Rd/Exit 39 to Plymouth Rd/Exit 41): 73,400
US-23 (Washtenaw Ave/Exit 37 to Geddes Rd/Exit 39): 73,100
I-94 (State St/Exit 177 to US-23/Exit 180): 71,100 (third lane begins/ends at US-23)
M-14 (Gotfredson Rd/Exit 15 to Beck Rd/Exit 18): 70,300
US-23 (Lee Rd/Exit 58 to I-96/Exit 60): 69,500
US-23 (6 Mile Rd/Exit 50 to Barker Rd/Exit 52): 68,380
US-23 (North Territorial Rd/Exit 49 to 6 Mile Rd/Exit 50): 68,100
US-23 (Silver Lake Rd/Exit 55 to Lee Rd/Exit 58): 67,800
I-96 (M-21/Exit 39 to Cascade Rd/Exit 40): 66,717
US-23 (M-14 West/Exit 45 to North Territorial Rd/Exit 49): 66,700
US-23 (Barker Rd/Exit 52 to 8 Mile Rd/Exit 53): 66,600
M-14 (Business US-23/Exit 3 to US-23/Exit 5): 66,391
US-23 (8 Mile Rd/Exit 53 to M-36/Exit 54): 65,900
US-23 (M-36/Exit 54 to Silver Lake Rd/Exit 55): 64,300
I-94 through Jackson and US-31 through Muskegon are above 60k in spots, but not above any of these listed
When I-296 and US-131 split just south of I-96, each highway is four lanes. For those small stretches, the AADT's are 110,500 and 109,300, respectively.
Look at all the US-23's on there and that highway still hasn't got widened. It's ridiculous that they have those kind of traffic volumes and do not do anything to widen the freeway. The traffic problems on US-23 have been an ongoing problem for years and they just don't do anything to resolve the problem. Those stupid lanes they added south of I-96 that they close down for whatever reason are pointless. Why didn't they just add a third lane and be done with it? What's the point of closing the lane down when it's there 24 hours a day and actually could be accessed 24 hours a day? There isn't any gate or anything stopping you from traveling in that lane so I don't see why it ever needs to be closed down. MDOT is slacking on US-23 and it's a problem.
Actually last night I had to drive on US-23 between I-75 and I-96 and I had been traveling about 80 mph on I-75 until I get south of I-69 due to the mess that is the US-23/I-75 split, lots of lane changing and people not getting in the correct lanes for which highway they will be staying on. Then I get on US-23 and people want to get in the left lane and drive 70 mph I swear one car last night just stayed in the left lane and I had to use the right lane to pass several vehicles it's just beyond stupid. If someone wants to drive faster why do people have to stay in the lane and prevent that person from driving faster? US-23 is a JOKE in southern Michigan.
What makes it worse is that MDOT overbuilt some freeways (I-75 between Saginaw and Flint; US-127 around Clare)
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 31, 2018, 11:39:11 AM
Quote from: adwerkema on August 30, 2018, 05:49:56 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on November 20, 2017, 11:28:48 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on October 31, 2017, 01:53:24 PM
How about US 23 between Brighton and Ann Arbor, Michigan? US 23 is four lanes all the way from Flint to the Ohio line and into Ohio when it should be 6 lanes and up to 8 lanes between Brighton and Ann Arbor.
Agree with you on that!
Here are the busiest 4-lane stretches I can find in MI:
US-23 (I-94/Exit 35 to Washtenaw Ave/Exit 37): 77,432
US-23 (Plymouth Rd/Exit 41 to M-14 East/Exit 42): 75,000
US-23 (Geddes Rd/Exit 39 to Plymouth Rd/Exit 41): 73,400
US-23 (Washtenaw Ave/Exit 37 to Geddes Rd/Exit 39): 73,100
I-94 (State St/Exit 177 to US-23/Exit 180): 71,100 (third lane begins/ends at US-23)
M-14 (Gotfredson Rd/Exit 15 to Beck Rd/Exit 18): 70,300
US-23 (Lee Rd/Exit 58 to I-96/Exit 60): 69,500
US-23 (6 Mile Rd/Exit 50 to Barker Rd/Exit 52): 68,380
US-23 (North Territorial Rd/Exit 49 to 6 Mile Rd/Exit 50): 68,100
US-23 (Silver Lake Rd/Exit 55 to Lee Rd/Exit 58): 67,800
I-96 (M-21/Exit 39 to Cascade Rd/Exit 40): 66,717
US-23 (M-14 West/Exit 45 to North Territorial Rd/Exit 49): 66,700
US-23 (Barker Rd/Exit 52 to 8 Mile Rd/Exit 53): 66,600
M-14 (Business US-23/Exit 3 to US-23/Exit 5): 66,391
US-23 (8 Mile Rd/Exit 53 to M-36/Exit 54): 65,900
US-23 (M-36/Exit 54 to Silver Lake Rd/Exit 55): 64,300
I-94 through Jackson and US-31 through Muskegon are above 60k in spots, but not above any of these listed
When I-296 and US-131 split just south of I-96, each highway is four lanes. For those small stretches, the AADT's are 110,500 and 109,300, respectively.
Look at all the US-23's on there and that highway still hasn't got widened. It's ridiculous that they have those kind of traffic volumes and do not do anything to widen the freeway. The traffic problems on US-23 have been an ongoing problem for years and they just don't do anything to resolve the problem. Those stupid lanes they added south of I-96 that they close down for whatever reason are pointless. Why didn't they just add a third lane and be done with it? What's the point of closing the lane down when it's there 24 hours a day and actually could be accessed 24 hours a day? There isn't any gate or anything stopping you from traveling in that lane so I don't see why it ever needs to be closed down. MDOT is slacking on US-23 and it's a problem.
Actually last night I had to drive on US-23 between I-75 and I-96 and I had been traveling about 80 mph on I-75 until I get south of I-69 due to the mess that is the US-23/I-75 split, lots of lane changing and people not getting in the correct lanes for which highway they will be staying on. Then I get on US-23 and people want to get in the left lane and drive 70 mph I swear one car last night just stayed in the left lane and I had to use the right lane to pass several vehicles it's just beyond stupid. If someone wants to drive faster why do people have to stay in the lane and prevent that person from driving faster? US-23 is a JOKE in southern Michigan.
The addition of the flex-lanes on US-23 were an economical approach to solving Ann Arbor rush hour traffic. A large amount of money was saved and the traffic problem has been greatly reduced. In fact, the project is in the running for a national transportation award. (https://www.clickondetroit.com/all-about-ann-arbor/mdot-s-flex-route-on-us-23-north-of-ann-arbor-wins-transportation-award-progresses-to-nationals)
Something a little different: Denny Way, a four-lane city street that carries 40,000 vehicles (and about 10,000 bus riders) per weekday. It finally got a painted bus lane!
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1856/30529785398_92dc8ca83b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/NvP8yj)
Looking east on Denny Way at I-5 (https://flic.kr/p/NvP8yj) by SounderBruce (https://www.flickr.com/photos/sounderbruce/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1858/30529783638_6b813ea086_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/NvP82Y)
Denny Way bus lane (https://flic.kr/p/NvP82Y) by SounderBruce (https://www.flickr.com/photos/sounderbruce/), on Flickr