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[storm2k]

https://goo.gl/maps/2APXcDau3quzJP2c7
https://goo.gl/maps/gGRB8cfhFWnrgRfL7

I love the new blue Newark Airport signs.

I am not a fan of them ditching the classic 4 color plane egg logo that has defined this airport for my entire life.

[roadman65]

If you like blue signs you should have been on the New York Thruway and the Connecticut Turnpike back in the 1960's. LOL I like both blue and green. I think they're equally effective.

Saw them. They were prominent in the 1980's still

[roadman65]

I see the new Terminal A at EWR opened this year. It has 33 gates but no Gate 13, and it’s still in Elizabeth like its predecessor was making cab hailing difficult unless they finally allowed Newark Cabs to cross the city line.

That was always an issue for the longest time trying to get taxis at Terminal A.

[jeffandnicole]

If anyone enjoys listening or attending public meetings, NJDOT has a few currently happening:

Replacement of the US 130 Bridge over Newton Creek in Haddon Township & Camden City (this is one of the first in-person public meetings since the pandemic):  Wednesday, March 8, 4:00-6:30pm.
https://www.state.nj.us/transportation/uploads/comm/pubmeet/details/Handbook_20230227_125743_PICFlyer-Rt130NewtonsCreek-english-Commedits_Approved.pdf

Replacement of the NJ 36 Bridge Troutmans Creek NJ 36 Bridge in City of Long Branch.  Virtual meeting, currently underway until Wednesday, March 8.
https://route36bridge.com/public-information-center/

[ixnay]

https://goo.gl/maps/2APXcDau3quzJP2c7
https://goo.gl/maps/gGRB8cfhFWnrgRfL7

I love the new blue Newark Airport signs.

I am not a fan of them ditching the classic 4 color plane egg logo that has defined this airport for my entire life.

You (on one side) and roadman and I (on the other) will have to agree to disagree.

What I don't get, though, is the use of of the egg logo and "Newark Airport" on a brown background on signs where the rest of the sign is green.  I mean, EWR isn't a park, but is it that much of a tourist attraction?

[storm2k]

https://goo.gl/maps/2APXcDau3quzJP2c7
https://goo.gl/maps/gGRB8cfhFWnrgRfL7

I love the new blue Newark Airport signs.

I am not a fan of them ditching the classic 4 color plane egg logo that has defined this airport for my entire life.

You (on one side) and roadman and I (on the other) will have to agree to disagree.

What I don't get, though, is the use of of the egg logo and "Newark Airport" on a brown background on signs where the rest of the sign is green.  I mean, EWR isn't a park, but is it that much of a tourist attraction?

Traditionally the airport used all white on brown signage. When the PA did their last major sign replacement in the early aughts (the Frutiger signage), they moved to a more standard white on green with the yellow and white panels (since yellow was the airport wayfinding system's indication of "this way to airside things"). Signs for the airport being on brown backgrounds was just a vestigial leftover of that original signage at that point.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/2APXcDau3quzJP2c7
https://goo.gl/maps/gGRB8cfhFWnrgRfL7

I love the new blue Newark Airport signs.

I am not a fan of them ditching the classic 4 color plane egg logo that has defined this airport for my entire life.

You (on one side) and roadman and I (on the other) will have to agree to disagree.

What I don't get, though, is the use of of the egg logo and "Newark Airport" on a brown background on signs where the rest of the sign is green.  I mean, EWR isn't a park, but is it that much of a tourist attraction?

Traditionally the airport used all white on brown signage. When the PA did their last major sign replacement in the early aughts (the Frutiger signage), they moved to a more standard white on green with the yellow and white panels (since yellow was the airport wayfinding system's indication of "this way to airside things"). Signs for the airport being on brown backgrounds was just a vestigial leftover of that original signage at that point.

That’s why Exit 13A on the Turnpike uses brown border rule on the latest guides. Traditionally the Turnpike used white on green Newark Airport.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/bBZgf3H4miVKuz7R7
Very lame Exit 21 overhead guide.  No distance reference.

[famartin]

https://goo.gl/maps/bBZgf3H4miVKuz7R7
Very lame Exit 21 overhead guide.  No distance reference.

Yeah, while other new signs here are odd, this one is just an error.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/bBZgf3H4miVKuz7R7
Very lame Exit 21 overhead guide.  No distance reference.

Yeah, while other new signs here are odd, this one is just an error.

Route 440 for sure is now odd with all the information overload coming from Staten Island on the gantry near Route 35.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/HuGMqpMrAjkh6bqW8
I noticed that Googlemaps and GSV consider NJ 23 as Sussex County Route 443 in both Wantage and Montague Townships.

Is this an error?

[famartin]

https://goo.gl/maps/HuGMqpMrAjkh6bqW8
I noticed that Googlemaps and GSV consider NJ 23 as Sussex County Route 443 in both Wantage and Montague Townships.

Is this an error?

Yes.

[NoGoodNamesAvailable]

Does anyone know what the designer was thinking designing the guardrail and sidewalk like this? Seems so dumb plus a waste of materials.

[famartin]

Does anyone know what the designer was thinking designing the guardrail and sidewalk like this? Seems so dumb plus a waste of materials.

This link works better.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0463673,-74.2219171,3a,90y,106.72h,76.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sN94OcVFYm4ztmuOj5Zf10A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

But yeah, LOL

[famartin]

Based on GSV, looks like it was a newly installed sidewalk sometime between 2008 and 2013
2008: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0463152,-74.2220215,3a,75y,101.61h,82.39t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sc4vnojuEH92eiOI7PPB6-A!2e0!5s20080901T000000!7i3328!8i1664
2013: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.046349,-74.22201,3a,75y,101.61h,82.39t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s9d1J2L8HnL8KAbKG82kggw!2e0!5s20130801T000000!7i13312!8i6656
So I guess they were just working around the guardrail.

[jeffandnicole]

Based on GSV, looks like it was a newly installed sidewalk sometime between 2008 and 2013
2008: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0463152,-74.2220215,3a,75y,101.61h,82.39t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sc4vnojuEH92eiOI7PPB6-A!2e0!5s20080901T000000!7i3328!8i1664
2013: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.046349,-74.22201,3a,75y,101.61h,82.39t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s9d1J2L8HnL8KAbKG82kggw!2e0!5s20130801T000000!7i13312!8i6656
So I guess they were just working around the guardrail.

I went back on historicaerials.com to see if there was some funky past situation that they were trying to work around, but I think it was just an issue where someone was contracted to install a sidewalk; doesn't have the expertise to install guiderail, so they worked around what currently existed.  But then this doesn't explain why they needlessly double-faced the guardrail for the pedestrians...only at certain points. 

[Alps]

Does anyone know what the designer was thinking designing the guardrail and sidewalk like this? Seems so dumb plus a waste of materials.

I can tell you exactly why: you need a certain length of guide rail before the obstruction begins. It has to terminate in an approved way. That necessitates a certain required length of guide rail. In this case the ramp intersects US 9 within that required length, so the decision was made to swing the terminal toward the ramp instead of to have a substandard length of guide rail in advance of the bridge. We do this all the time. While it's funky in this specific case, it is ADA compliant and MASH compliant (for guide rail) and is the correct solution.

[Alps]

Based on GSV, looks like it was a newly installed sidewalk sometime between 2008 and 2013
2008: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0463152,-74.2220215,3a,75y,101.61h,82.39t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sc4vnojuEH92eiOI7PPB6-A!2e0!5s20080901T000000!7i3328!8i1664
2013: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.046349,-74.22201,3a,75y,101.61h,82.39t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s9d1J2L8HnL8KAbKG82kggw!2e0!5s20130801T000000!7i13312!8i6656
So I guess they were just working around the guardrail.

I went back on historicaerials.com to see if there was some funky past situation that they were trying to work around, but I think it was just an issue where someone was contracted to install a sidewalk; doesn't have the expertise to install guiderail, so they worked around what currently existed.  But then this doesn't explain why they needlessly double-faced the guardrail for the pedestrians...only at certain points. 

It's double faced for pedestrians. The part that isn't is the terminal, which has a specific layout to it that must be followed.

[NoGoodNamesAvailable]

It still feels like complying with the letter of the law and not the spirit. If the concern is protecting the embankment, the guardrail should have gone behind the sidewalk so people don’t need to loop around or jump a guardrail. If the sidewalk outside my house looked like that I would be irritated.

[Alps]

It still feels like complying with the letter of the law and not the spirit. If the concern is protecting the embankment, the guardrail should have gone behind the sidewalk so people don’t need to loop around or jump a guardrail. If the sidewalk outside my house looked like that I would be irritated.

This protects pedestrians better

[Alps]

New topic: What's the history of the interchange at Atlantic City High School? It predates the school by decades and was a partially paved U turn within a ghost trumpet. Never saw a land use there and not aware of a proposed connector.

[Mr. Matté]

The guiderail placement is certainly unusual, usually I see it placed behind the sidewalk at least for new installations. Since the rail preceded the walk at that spot, I guess DOT didn't want to redesign/recalculate a new location, even after it looks like it was replaced in-kind at the same location. I don't think that placement is better for pedestrians since the guiderail will give a little bit in a vehicular crash, but it does keep them on the sidewalk rather than walking right onto the narrow road at the overpass.

As to the AC interchange, Great Island there was cleared in that area in the early 1960s (Historic Aerials) with the interchange constructed in 1970 (HA and bridge marking). All I could find with regards to a specific intent was that a local developer acquired the island in the 1970s from Vornado to build a casino there. Obviously that plan fell through. It may have also been a spot for a relocated Bader Field before the city got it for the school and public works facility.

[CrystalWalrein]

New topic: What's the history of the interchange at Atlantic City High School? It predates the school by decades and was a partially paved U turn within a ghost trumpet. Never saw a land use there and not aware of a proposed connector.

I suspect this was NJDOT's way of providing traffic from the Atlantic City Expressway's exit 2 a way back towards West Atlantic City and vice versa. The trumpet stub could have been intended for a future commercial or residential project before the city decided to close and replace the old high school on Albany Avenue.

[Alps]

The guiderail placement is certainly unusual, usually I see it placed behind the sidewalk at least for new installations. Since the rail preceded the walk at that spot, I guess DOT didn't want to redesign/recalculate a new location, even after it looks like it was replaced in-kind at the same location. I don't think that placement is better for pedestrians since the guiderail will give a little bit in a vehicular crash, but it does keep them on the sidewalk rather than walking right onto the narrow road at the overpass.

As to the AC interchange, Great Island there was cleared in that area in the early 1960s (Historic Aerials) with the interchange constructed in 1970 (HA and bridge marking). All I could find with regards to a specific intent was that a local developer acquired the island in the 1970s from Vornado to build a casino there. Obviously that plan fell through. It may have also been a spot for a relocated Bader Field before the city got it for the school and public works facility.

The casino makes sense, I imagine the developer arranged for the trumpet and then went bankrupt or so.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/M6K5XXSsrzKUKkREA
Why is there a NO LEFT TURN prohibition here? It’s a one way into a two way street.

Plus why is the ramp to NJ Route 495 EB now closed ?