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Started by Alps, September 17, 2013, 07:00:19 PM

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artmalk

#4150
I live in Parsippany and that road has always been one of my favorite weekend drives.

Quote from: roadman65 on January 23, 2023, 12:54:18 AM
Quote from: artmalk on January 19, 2023, 07:43:36 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 19, 2023, 05:18:12 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/AkchD7dwXDprRGw66
Found an old Milemarker in Springfield from when NJ 124 was NJ 24. It looks like NJDOT forgot about it and it's still there to this day stating at Phillipsburg was once the zero mm for the route.

Even as late as the 1980s, these signs were still being used for mile posts until the word mile ( and now the route number)was added.

I wish NJDOT would post "Historic Route 24" signs along all of its old alignment west of Morristown.


Through Mendham and Chester it would fit in with the Colonial Downtowns both communities have.


roadman65

Does NJ Route 94 have any speed zones with 50 mph maximums?  I know north of Hamburg the speed limit is 45 mph to the NY State Line.  How about from Columbia to Newton?

One thing I do admire is the fact NJ 94 in its entire run in NJ has very few traffic lights along its alignment.  Though some were added over the years, such as in Lafayette, McAffee, and Veron as Route 23 in Hamburg was the northernmost signal in the state for the longest time.  CR 517 north was added in 1977 or 78 due to that intersection having a limited sight distance which most likely created accidents. The one at CR 515 in Vernon was added in the eighties to replace a permanent beacon that created long queues on NJ 94 NB as traffic had to STOP for CR 515 traffic due the turn NJ 94 makes there.

For the most part NJ 94 is two lanes and frequent curves, if not all of it two lanes, so subject to lower speed limits.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

cockroachking

Quote from: roadman65 on January 25, 2023, 12:05:15 AM
Does NJ Route 94 have any speed zones with 50 mph maximums?  I know north of Hamburg the speed limit is 45 mph to the NY State Line.  How about from Columbia to Newton?

One thing I do admire is the fact NJ 94 in its entire run in NJ has very few traffic lights along its alignment.  Though some were added over the years, such as in Lafayette, McAffee, and Veron as Route 23 in Hamburg was the northernmost signal in the state for the longest time.  CR 517 north was added in 1977 or 78 due to that intersection having a limited sight distance which most likely created accidents. The one at CR 515 in Vernon was added in the eighties to replace a permanent beacon that created long queues on NJ 94 NB as traffic had to STOP for CR 515 traffic due the turn NJ 94 makes there.

For the most part NJ 94 is two lanes and frequent curves, if not all of it two lanes, so subject to lower speed limits.
From here to here and from here to here at least, from what I could find in 10 minutes of poking around on GSV.

roadman65

https://goo.gl/maps/ZVNkEqvqHadN13Zu9
Found this signal installation to be unusual.  Usually when two left turn lanes are present, two left turn signal heads are always present.  Yet here only one is only installed. Plus NJ is one of the few US states that always has two signal heads for left turn signals which this is indeed a mistake for NJ to have done.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

Mr. Matté

That intersection was posted on the New Jersey subreddit in the past, moreso because the closest pole you can date back to no later than the early 90s based on the Bush-Quayle sticker.

roadman65

Well that intersection is in Essex County, which I was surprised went with yellow heads as they were one of the last counties to switch from green.  That is why Short Hills Mall has some greens left.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

roadman65

#4156
Has anyone ever contacted NJDOT about the missing trailblazers in both Asbury Park and Belmar along Route 71?

Here is SB Main at Eighth where Route 71 SB turns right onto Eighth to head west.
https://goo.gl/maps/3u7k5GJeUCbmXXpy5
No shields informing SB motorists of the right turn at all.

https://goo.gl/maps/RkHxJSWj8SbVpUTW8
Now travel west on Eighth and no mention Route 71 SB turns left here either onto Route 35.


Now let's go north on Route 71.

https://goo.gl/maps/f9s8iWLG1VpX7nNAA
EB Eighth in Belmar at Main where no shields direct traffic to the left as Route 71 turns left from Eighth.


https://goo.gl/maps/jL7nPQ9R6ci16Sth6
This is NB on Main in Asbury Park. No shields to inform northbound motorists the route turns east on Deal Lake.

https://goo.gl/maps/E9PNYV61AgKGCpsp7
Then once again no signage to point out Route 71 NB turns left at the light on to Norwood Avenue.

This is got to be the worst state maintained route to follow outside of DC.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

74/171FAN

I think the street blades helped me out quite a bit on NJ 71.
I am now a PennDOT employee.  My opinions/views do not necessarily reflect the opinions/views of PennDOT.

famartin

Quote from: roadman65 on February 01, 2023, 01:17:39 AM
Has anyone ever contacted NJDOT about the missing trailblazers in both Asbury Park and Belmar along Route 71?

Here is SB Main at Eighth where Route 71 SB turns right onto Eighth to head west.
https://goo.gl/maps/3u7k5GJeUCbmXXpy5
No shields informing SB motorists of the right turn at all.

https://goo.gl/maps/RkHxJSWj8SbVpUTW8
Now travel west on Eighth and no mention Route 71 SB turns left here either onto Route 35.


Now let's go north on Route 71.

https://goo.gl/maps/f9s8iWLG1VpX7nNAA
EB Eighth in Belmar at Main where no shields direct traffic to the left as Route 71 turns left from Eighth.


https://goo.gl/maps/jL7nPQ9R6ci16Sth6
This is NB on Main in Asbury Park. No shields to inform northbound motorists the route turns east on Deal Lake.

https://goo.gl/maps/E9PNYV61AgKGCpsp7
Then once again no signage to point out Route 71 NB turns left at the light on to Norwood Avenue.

This is got to be the worst state maintained route to follow outside of DC.

When I toured 71 back in 2018, I tried to grab photos of at least 1 reassurance in each direction in every municipality, but several towns completely lacked them. The new mile markers help and as already mentioned, so do the traffic light blades.

71 is a relatively rare relic of olden times in NJ, where the road mostly exists on existing streets instead of being realigned to something more modern constructed by the state.

NJRoadfan

If I recall, NJ-71 itself is an older alignment of what is now NJ-35 in the area.

storm2k

Quote from: artmalk on January 19, 2023, 07:43:36 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 19, 2023, 05:18:12 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/AkchD7dwXDprRGw66
Found an old Milemarker in Springfield from when NJ 124 was NJ 24. It looks like NJDOT forgot about it and it's still there to this day stating at Phillipsburg was once the zero mm for the route.

Even as late as the 1980s, these signs were still being used for mile posts until the word mile ( and now the route number)was added.

I wish NJDOT would post "Historic Route 24" signs along all of its old alignment west of Morristown.


I've wanted this for years. I even created a mockup of a potential one a while ago:


roadman65

Quote from: NJRoadfan on February 01, 2023, 04:00:24 PM
If I recall, NJ-71 itself is an older alignment of what is now NJ-35 in the area.

Or its predecessor.  I believe NJ 35 was NJ 4 once upon a time.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

storm2k

Quote from: roadman65 on February 02, 2023, 04:09:12 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on February 01, 2023, 04:00:24 PM
If I recall, NJ-71 itself is an older alignment of what is now NJ-35 in the area.

Or its predecessor.  I believe NJ 35 was NJ 4 once upon a time.

Correct, 35 was the original Rt 4 that was the gateway to the shore. When it was rerouted, what was 4 became 4N which is today's 71.

artmalk









That sign would be perfect!
Quote from: storm2k on February 01, 2023, 05:32:59 PM
Quote from: artmalk on January 19, 2023, 07:43:36 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 19, 2023, 05:18:12 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/AkchD7dwXDprRGw66
Found an old Milemarker in Springfield from when NJ 124 was NJ 24. It looks like NJDOT forgot about it and it's still there to this day stating at Phillipsburg was once the zero mm for the route.

Even as late as the 1980s, these signs were still being used for mile posts until the word mile ( and now the route number)was added.

I wish NJDOT would post "Historic Route 24" signs along all of its old alignment west of Morristown.


I've wanted this for years. I even created a mockup of a potential one a while ago:



Alps

Quote from: famartin on February 01, 2023, 07:35:06 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 01, 2023, 01:17:39 AM
Has anyone ever contacted NJDOT about the missing trailblazers in both Asbury Park and Belmar along Route 71?

Here is SB Main at Eighth where Route 71 SB turns right onto Eighth to head west.
https://goo.gl/maps/3u7k5GJeUCbmXXpy5
No shields informing SB motorists of the right turn at all.

https://goo.gl/maps/RkHxJSWj8SbVpUTW8
Now travel west on Eighth and no mention Route 71 SB turns left here either onto Route 35.


Now let's go north on Route 71.

https://goo.gl/maps/f9s8iWLG1VpX7nNAA
EB Eighth in Belmar at Main where no shields direct traffic to the left as Route 71 turns left from Eighth.


https://goo.gl/maps/jL7nPQ9R6ci16Sth6
This is NB on Main in Asbury Park. No shields to inform northbound motorists the route turns east on Deal Lake.

https://goo.gl/maps/E9PNYV61AgKGCpsp7
Then once again no signage to point out Route 71 NB turns left at the light on to Norwood Avenue.

This is got to be the worst state maintained route to follow outside of DC.

When I toured 71 back in 2018, I tried to grab photos of at least 1 reassurance in each direction in every municipality, but several towns completely lacked them. The new mile markers help and as already mentioned, so do the traffic light blades.

71 is a relatively rare relic of olden times in NJ, where the road mostly exists on existing streets instead of being realigned to something more modern constructed by the state.
Ignoring tiny things like 13 and 59: 5, 7, 17 south end, 26, 27, 28, 31 Trenton, 33 Hightstown and Trenton, 40/50 plex, 41, 44, 45, 47, 49, 53... it goes on.

famartin

Quote from: Alps on February 04, 2023, 12:34:56 AM
Quote from: famartin on February 01, 2023, 07:35:06 AM
71 is a relatively rare relic of olden times in NJ, where the road mostly exists on existing streets instead of being realigned to something more modern constructed by the state.
Ignoring tiny things like 13 and 59: 5, 7, 17 south end, 26, 27, 28, 31 Trenton, 33 Hightstown and Trenton, 40/50 plex, 41, 44, 45, 47, 49, 53... it goes on.

Many of those have sections which were realigned to allow higher speed travel. Where on 71 qualifies for that? It's mostly several residential roads cobbled together.

roadman65

I don't think the speed limit exceeds 35 mph anywhere on Route 71 either. In Brielle it's only 30.

Yup, it's mostly residential especially through Loch Arbour and Deal.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

storm2k

Drove thru part of the 29 freeway in Trenton today, got pictures of some new signs. These replaced more of the triangular truss structures that have been happening all over the state.

Rt 29 Southbound:

Not sure what's up with the orange Left plaque, that should be black on yellow. Also note the black on yellow plaque for "Left 3 Lanes" and the unnecessary "Exit Only" plaque on what isn't a lane drop, just an exit ramp. This is a thing that NJDOT has basically embraced for every exit sign at the final decision point regardless of if there's a lane drop or just a deceleration lane. It's kind of annoying.

Rt 29 Northbound:

Don't know why they don't include Lambertville as the control city here, that's the next official control city for 29. Also note the unneccessary Exit Only plaque.


The exit only plaques for these are legit because both are lane drops. Again they could have put Lambertville on the thru sign but chose not to.

NoGoodNamesAvailable

At some point in the last few years NJDOT went from perfectly average BGS design to some of the strangest and worst in the country. What happened? Is it new software or some rogue engineer?

storm2k

These signs are mostly fine. The only part that stands out is the unnecessary exit only plaques. This is better than the mess they made of the new signs on 440 in Perth Amboy/Woodbridge.

jeffandnicole

I think the contractor just used a bad color on that LEFT plaque.  It's always been a left only exit, regardless of the contruction activity in the area.

On the NB side, I like they added 'Capital Complex' to both signs.  That said, they really didn't do much after you exit the highway to convey what to do or where to go; there's some limited signage but that's it.  The right most 'Exit Only' isn't necessary because it's just a cloverleaf-type exit here where the on ramp enters the highway just about 150 feet before the lane exits ( https://goo.gl/maps/H3qDCUzcUTQKDe4FA ).  The 'Exit Only' for Calhoun Street is properly signed though.

Since you were in the area, I'll mention this as well:  I wished they put this sign bridge *before* the overpass, not after where its visibility is severely limited: https://goo.gl/maps/xEypdBFRMeFBrHmf7 .  This new location is just feet away from its old location and signage, but the gantry was lower, offering more visibility  ( https://goo.gl/maps/xEypdBFRMeFBrHmf7 ).

The Left 3 Lanes plaque is annoying where its been used around the state, often when there's only 3 lanes in the area to begin with.

Mr. Matté

I do note that despite the efforts of the sign modernization, removing the black backgrounds, etc., they still sign US 122 near Phillipsburg (US 173 still exists on the old signs not replaced as of the GSV drive in 2021)

storm2k

Quote from: Mr. Matté on February 05, 2023, 07:40:13 PM
I do note that despite the efforts of the sign modernization, removing the black backgrounds, etc., they still sign US 122 near Phillipsburg (US 173 still exists on the old signs not replaced as of the GSV drive in 2021)

That was likely just on sign plans as replace in kind, which the contractor dutifully did.

74/171FAN

I guess this is truly for Alps, but does anyone have an update when this new US 1 TRUCK/US 9 TRUCK will open?
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