New Jersey

[jeffandnicole]

What's up with this sign for I-195 on CR 537?
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1576143,-74.4277277,3a,49.5y,68.34h,89.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssW1yHSYxZxYxwZrbMoEtjQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
It seems to be unique in showing NJTP destinations for I-195 West, and it uses Philadelphia (Pennsylvania in older versions of the sign), not Camden (Del Mem Br in older versions) that I-195 itself uses. All other signs referencing I-195 West on CR 537 sign it for Trenton just like all other I-195 West signs I was able to find.

This was born out of the 95/295 redesignation a few years back. I believe someone on these forums was part of the project team, and was giving a fair bit of latitude to revise or update other signage "related" to I-95.  As this area sees a lot of traffic needing to get to 95, he was able to include this sign as part of the project. Changing Exit 60 on I-195/NJ 29 to Exit 1A/B was another part of that project.

[bzakharin]

What's up with this sign for I-195 on CR 537?
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1576143,-74.4277277,3a,49.5y,68.34h,89.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssW1yHSYxZxYxwZrbMoEtjQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1
It seems to be unique in showing NJTP destinations for I-195 West, and it uses Philadelphia (Pennsylvania in older versions of the sign), not Camden (Del Mem Br in older versions) that I-195 itself uses. All other signs referencing I-195 West on CR 537 sign it for Trenton just like all other I-195 West signs I was able to find.

This was born out of the 95/295 redesignation a few years back. I believe someone on these forums was part of the project team, and was giving a fair bit of latitude to revise or update other signage "related" to I-95.  As this area sees a lot of traffic needing to get to 95, he was able to include this sign as part of the project. Changing Exit 60 on I-195/NJ 29 to Exit 1A/B was another part of that project.

But the previous version of the sign said "Pennsylvania" which was never used used as a destination on either the NJ Turnpike or I-195 as far as I can remember. Exit 6 was signed "Pa Turnpike" or something similar.

[roadman65]

I know this is fictional, but considering what's written in this article https://www.nj.com/news/2021/12/ny-says-replace-the-narrow-outerbridge-crossing-but-nj-has-to-agree-to-a-study-first.html
shows traffic on the Outerbridge Crossing is real.

I was just curious. Being the State Street exit would have to be replaced to add for the new bridge approaches, I was wondering if there is a strong possibility that the missing moves to and from State and High Streets would be addressed. 

Considering that a u turn must be made at Amboy Avenue to accomplish traffic to and from Staten Island, I would assure that new ramps from a new bridge would be in the plans.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/SJbTYkbxAyuM21TY7

NJDOT needs to do a quality check and reverse the Long Valley and NJ 57 WEST and swap locations.  This sign is as confusing for a quick glance as the existence of NJ 182 the sign is locked on.

[74/171FAN]

https://goo.gl/maps/SJbTYkbxAyuM21TY7

NJDOT needs to do a quality check and reverse the Long Valley and NJ 57 WEST and swap locations.  This sign is as confusing for a quick glance as the existence of NJ 182 the sign is locked on.

And yet, this puzzles me more.  I do believe that CR 517 was part of NJ 24 before the freeway was built farther east.

[roadman65]

Yup.  Since 1991 ( over 30 years ago) it hasn't been. The current NJ 24 changed everything and made 24 what it is today.  This, though is Morris County, that maintains this assembly.

[roadman65]

Question about Hunterdon County Route 523 in Flemington. I noticed that on Route 31 at Flemington Junction Road there is no more reference to it being CR 523 anymore. However at Walter E. Foran Blvd it does refer to it as CR 523 with also the intersection of Mine and Main Streets there are no shields present ( seen on GSV) to inform motorists of alignment changes there.

I assume Park Avenue is the new alignment for CR 523 being it defaults into Walter E. Foran Blvd since the apparent switch?

Again no shields either on Mine Street and Park Avenue with Park Avenue appearing to have a traffic calming zone along it through Downtown Flemington.  So that to me would suggest no route along it.

What’s the deal here?

[storm2k]

Question about Hunterdon County Route 523 in Flemington. I noticed that on Route 31 at Flemington Junction Road there is no more reference to it being CR 523 anymore. However at Walter E. Foran Blvd it does refer to it as CR 523 with also the intersection of Mine and Main Streets there are no shields present ( seen on GSV) to inform motorists of alignment changes there.

I assume Park Avenue is the new alignment for CR 523 being it defaults into Walter E. Foran Blvd since the apparent switch?

Again no shields either on Mine Street and Park Avenue with Park Avenue appearing to have a traffic calming zone along it through Downtown Flemington.  So that to me would suggest no route along it.

What's the deal here?

I believe it's been on Walter Foran Blvd for a while now. Look at the intersection on GSV and the NJDOT street blades have the 523 shield and you can also see a reassurance shield just south of the intersection. Also, per the SLD, it's Foran Blvd -> Foran Blvd Extension -> Park Ave -> Mine St, but the latter two are maintained at a municipal level and I doubt the borough is going to pay for shields. That reminds me of following 28 through a lot of Plainfield, where most of it is maintained by the city and they don't really post shields.

ETA: Further evidence: NJDOT posts a shield for it at the NJ12 circle where it meets Mine St.

[Alps]

https://goo.gl/maps/SJbTYkbxAyuM21TY7

NJDOT needs to do a quality check and reverse the Long Valley and NJ 57 WEST and swap locations.  This sign is as confusing for a quick glance as the existence of NJ 182 the sign is locked on.

And yet, this puzzles me more.  I do believe that CR 517 was part of NJ 24 before the freeway was built farther east.

That'd be the last 24 shield on the old road if it's still there.

[famartin]

https://goo.gl/maps/SJbTYkbxAyuM21TY7

NJDOT needs to do a quality check and reverse the Long Valley and NJ 57 WEST and swap locations.  This sign is as confusing for a quick glance as the existence of NJ 182 the sign is locked on.

Probably a standard practice to have the route shield portion at top, not necessarily a "quality check".  I see your point though.

[storm2k]

From Larry Higgs at NJ.com: Get your head out of your app! Snarky overhead signs debut on N.J. roadways.

New Jersey Department of Transportation staffers have come up with some new, attention getting ways to convey basic safety message and rules of the road, said Leanna Nelson, an NJDOT spokeswoman.

"The Department wanted to be more creative in how we present our safety messages,"  she said. "We are trying a few new messages that are both fun and catchy in hopes that people will remember the message to drive safely."

NJDOT resisted the whole "be funny with your VMS safety messages" trend for so long. I'm actually surprised they're trying it out at this point.

[jeffandnicole]

From Larry Higgs at NJ.com: Get your head out of your app! Snarky overhead signs debut on N.J. roadways.

New Jersey Department of Transportation staffers have come up with some new, attention getting ways to convey basic safety message and rules of the road, said Leanna Nelson, an NJDOT spokeswoman.

"The Department wanted to be more creative in how we present our safety messages,"  she said. "We are trying a few new messages that are both fun and catchy in hopes that people will remember the message to drive safely."

NJDOT resisted the whole "be funny with your VMS safety messages" trend for so long. I'm actually surprised they're trying it out at this point.

I guess they hired some new person that convinced the Commissioner to allow the messages.

It's not the first time I've seen NJDOT change their usage. Back when the VMSs were first installed, they were used very sparingly. They are now used quite often. And travel times used to be posted only during rush hours, but now are posted up to 24 hours a day.

[storm2k]

I did drive on Rt 22 in Somerville today where they installed VMS's a couple of years ago and it only had a very generic safety message, nothing snarky. I was kinda disappointed.

[Alps]

I did drive on Rt 22 in Somerville today where they installed VMS's a couple of years ago and it only had a very generic safety message, nothing snarky. I was kinda disappointed.

I've seen the funnies on 80, 287, and 24 so far.

[famartin]

I did drive on Rt 22 in Somerville today where they installed VMS's a couple of years ago and it only had a very generic safety message, nothing snarky. I was kinda disappointed.

I've seen the funnies on 80, 287, and 24 so far.

Saw "Get your head out of your apps" and "hocus pocus drive with focus" on 295 so far.

[roadman65]

We all know that no one is going to heed that message.  Many if their texting aren't even paying attention to the fact the VMS is even there.

[TheGrassGuy]

How did it take me THIS LONG to realize that the D&R Canal has received new GSV

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/j5k9gHDMsUsiCyKE9
I'm liking the way NJ denotes mileage to the state line on US 1.  Just post the cities on both sides of the Delaware River and let the imagination  rule.

However is the math correct?  Are both cities 3 miles apart?

[jeffandnicole]

https://goo.gl/maps/j5k9gHDMsUsiCyKE9
I'm liking the way NJ denotes mileage to the state line on US 1.  Just post the cities on both sides of the Delaware River and let the imagination  rule.

However is the math correct?  Are both cities 3 miles apart?

The two municipalities touch each other on the river. But, where US 1 first enters Trenton, Morrisville is about 3 1/4 miles away, so the different shown on the sign appears to be accurate.

[roadman65]

Yeah now I see, as Downtown is close to the river.  In NJ you have some signs using the city limits as a mileage point, and the rest to city centers.

[famartin]

Yeah now I see, as Downtown is close to the river.  In NJ you have some signs using the city limits as a mileage point, and the rest to city centers.

Yes, that gets a bit vague a far as centers versus municipal boundaries. Has that been defined by MUTCD?

[roadman65]

NJ needs to get consistent with their mileage sign criteria.  They were up to constancy till 1998 when NJ started a campaign to add new plot point destinations where the signs are next posted after each destinations are reached for a new mileage sign to be seen.

Evidence is on US 1 entering the state from Morrisville that reads mileage to Plainsboro, New Brunswick, and Newark 45  miles away.  The next follow up is at Plainsboro with now New Brunswick, Woodbridge, and Newark.  Then after that the third is strategically placed in New Brunswick north of Route 18 for Woodbridge, Newark, and Fort Lee.   

These newer signs use the municipality limit rather than the center of the listed community. The original mileage signs used town centers or Downtowns.  Thus with the old and the new together, it can create some confusion due to the points plotted for mileage to.  In addition NJDOT in their campaign to convert to mixed case lettering, are carbon copying the old all caps onto the new signs, and not doing a quality check to see the current validility.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/paxTqXsjAEacfU847
South Broad Street is US Route 206.  Yet NJDOT fails to mention here on Route 129 at Hamilton Avenue.

Also what is the control city for NJ 68 referencing here?
https://goo.gl/maps/w1NhbhxoUzT5ajw7A

[jeffandnicole]

Also what is the control city for NJ 68 referencing here?
https://goo.gl/maps/w1NhbhxoUzT5ajw7A

MDL = McGuire, Fort Dix, Lakehurst

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Base_McGuire%E2%80%93Dix%E2%80%93Lakehurst

[famartin]

https://goo.gl/maps/paxTqXsjAEacfU847
South Broad Street is US Route 206.  Yet NJDOT fails to mention here on Route 129 at Hamilton Avenue.

Also what is the control city for NJ 68 referencing here?
https://goo.gl/maps/w1NhbhxoUzT5ajw7A

There's more than a handful of instances statewide where this sort of thing happens for various routes. Generally it's where they follow city streets and probably shouldn't be for anything other than local travel. 206 at this location isn't even state maintained.

MDL is usually just referenced as "joint base"  in casual conversation and in the statewide emergency communications check roll call.