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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4075 on: November 05, 2022, 05:24:37 PM »

The city really should consider asking AASHTO to realign it off the city maintained streets.  They could have it follow NJ 129 and US 1 either via I-195 & NJ 29 or Hamilton Avenue. Though the latter still will have some city maintenance, the part of South Broad that is state maintained  wouldn’t need a new route number as with the former.  Although, someone on here once suggested turn it over to Mercer County and extend CR 524 over South Broad Street and the part of US 206 from the White  Horse Circle to the I-195 exchange as Mercer County maintained Route 533 extended.

Many states would indeed do that over allow piss poor signage on non state roads. Although Virginia is one that gives all independent cities total control over Allstate and US routes per agreement in municipality corporations making NJ not alone, but still even that state has a lot to be desired as well as NY, that has routes maintained by municipalities over the DOT where US 9W is badly signed in Albany.

I think, though fictional here, is the better way to keep it continuous through the state.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4076 on: November 05, 2022, 05:39:38 PM »

The city really should consider asking AASHTO to realign it off the city maintained streets.  They could have it follow NJ 129 and US 1 either via I-195 & NJ 29 or Hamilton Avenue. Though the latter still will have some city maintenance, the part of South Broad that is state maintained  wouldnít need a new route number as with the former.  Although, someone on here once suggested turn it over to Mercer County and extend CR 524 over South Broad Street and the part of US 206 from the White  Horse Circle to the I-195 exchange as Mercer County maintained Route 533 extended.

Many states would indeed do that over allow piss poor signage on non state roads. Although Virginia is one that gives all independent cities total control over Allstate and US routes per agreement in municipality corporations making NJ not alone, but still even that state has a lot to be desired as well as NY, that has routes maintained by municipalities over the DOT where US 9W is badly signed in Albany.

I think, though fictional here, is the better way to keep it continuous through the state.

I would think if it's missing a few signs, wouldn't just adding a few signs be the better option.  If it's realigned, it'll need...added signs.

And for what it's worth, the sign that you're noting is missing the US 206 shield is a NJDOT sign.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4077 on: November 05, 2022, 05:50:30 PM »

The one on NJ 129 at Hamilton Avenue yes.  That I believe is state maintained.  It and US 1 and NJ 29 are the only state routes in Trenton.

Although the 54 mile marker on Brunswick Avenue at the Brunswick Circle suggests part Brunswick Avenue may be state maintained within the city.


They did, though, a good job in asking AASHTO to decommission ALT US 1 which ran along Warren Street ( part of Broad going NB) and MLK Blvd.  However, there are some erroneous US 1 Business shields still up along Strawberry Street and MLK to still imply US 1 Business does not return to its parent at the Brunswick Circle.  Therefore suggesting that US 1 Business is just a switchover from the ALT route instead of truncation along with the change.
So again chalk one up to the city for not staying up to date despite they did switch out the ALT banner’s for the BUSINESS banners which is odd that they didn’t just remove them altogether.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4078 on: November 05, 2022, 06:10:37 PM »

Did  AASHTO approve the decommissioning of US 1 ALT in Trenton?   Heck, did they even allow US 1 to be applied to the Trenton Freeway north of  Strawberry Street when itís final segment opened north of Whitehead Road circa 1975?

The last petition to AASHTO from the state was the US 206 realignment near Netcong in 1972 or about?

So US 1 in Lawrence may still  be US 1 Business and US 1 Business May still not be approved.


Whatís up with the 13 ton maximum on Route 29 here?
https://goo.gl/maps/kQL7gNSXLAmSD5aZ9
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4079 on: November 06, 2022, 04:44:05 PM »

Whatís up with the 13 ton maximum on Route 29 here?
https://goo.gl/maps/kQL7gNSXLAmSD5aZ9
The restriction is for the tunnel south of Cass Street.  The truck route is to continue on I-295 to I-195.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4080 on: November 06, 2022, 04:45:37 PM »

Whatís up with the 13 ton maximum on Route 29 here?
https://goo.gl/maps/kQL7gNSXLAmSD5aZ9
The restriction is for the tunnel south of Cass Street.  The truck route is to continue on I-295 to I-195.

When the tunnel was about to open, there was concern among residents that there'd be a big increase in truck traffic, so in natural fashion, NJDOT banned them. NJ 29 is mostly a commuter route anyway, so the many commuters were fine with that too.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4081 on: November 06, 2022, 09:25:45 PM »

Whatís up with the 13 ton maximum on Route 29 here?
https://goo.gl/maps/kQL7gNSXLAmSD5aZ9
The restriction is for the tunnel south of Cass Street.  The truck route is to continue on I-295 to I-195.

When the tunnel was about to open, there was concern among residents that there'd be a big increase in truck traffic, so in natural fashion, NJDOT banned them. NJ 29 is mostly a commuter route anyway, so the many commuters were fine with that too.

One of the purposes of the tunnel was to hide traffic, including truck traffic, from the neighborhoods. Shortly before the tunnel opened, NJDOT did an about face and prohibited trucks from using the tunnel. 

Personally, I think there's something a little more sinister involved...such as they didn't want trucks rumbling thru the tunnel, vibrating and cracking the concrete.

Some truckers with knowledge of the area will go thru, knowing the chances of a Trooper being nearby to stop them is rare.  (I guess Trenton police could stop them also, but based on observations they largely let the NJSP handle the truck issue.)  There's the occasional trucker not familiar with the area that finds themself confused as they'll see the "No Trucks over 13 Tons" signs, especially after the point of no return. They'll creep up real slow to the tunnel, hoping they can squeeze under (the tunnel is built 15 or 16 feet high, so they'll easily fit in).  Of course, they're now delaying everyone behind them as they creep forward.

The truck route on 295 and 1 doesn't really exist anymore - the signage was removed long ago.  Instead, they permit trucks to use Cass Street, even though there's signage saying trucks shouldn't be using Cass Street.  It's not enforced.  Cass Street is heavily residential with a few corner businesses.  And a prison.  Not really the road to be sending truckers, but that's how everything panned out.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4082 on: November 07, 2022, 04:43:43 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/6xtYVYdZqXvzyCKt9
The control city for I-295 NB from Route 656 EB near Florence is the most hilarious control city they could ever use. 😂
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4083 on: November 07, 2022, 05:19:51 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/6xtYVYdZqXvzyCKt9
The control city for I-295 NB from Route 656 EB near Florence is the most hilarious control city they could ever use. 😂

The reasoning is likely because of trucks using it to jump onto the turnpike a little ways up. But yeah, not quite kosher.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4084 on: November 07, 2022, 05:54:41 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/6xtYVYdZqXvzyCKt9
The control city for I-295 NB from Route 656 EB near Florence is the most hilarious control city they could ever use. 😂

The reasoning is likely because of trucks using it to jump onto the turnpike a little ways up. But yeah, not quite kosher.

NJDOT, for 295 South past Interchanges 57 & 56, encourage truckers to make a u-turn at Exit 52 A to head back north on 295 to Exit 56. This is the on-ramp to complete that u-turn.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Z6f65QnS6x2wT3De6 (Note the usage of Gas and not Gas/Diesel or Fuel.)

This unique control city is the result of them "helping", although I'm sure the businesses would appreciate their logos not to be hidden behind the sign.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4085 on: November 07, 2022, 06:00:07 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/6xtYVYdZqXvzyCKt9
The control city for I-295 NB from Route 656 EB near Florence is the most hilarious control city they could ever use.

The reasoning is likely because of trucks using it to jump onto the turnpike a little ways up. But yeah, not quite kosher.

NJDOT, for 295 South past Interchanges 57 & 56, encourage truckers to make a u-turn at Exit 52 A to head back north on 295 to Exit 56. This is the on-ramp to complete that u-turn.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Z6f65QnS6x2wT3De6 (Note the usage of Gas and not Gas/Diesel or Fuel.)

This unique control city is the result of them "helping", although I'm sure the businesses would appreciate their logos not to be hidden behind the sign.


That makes sense, even though it’s a strange way of doing things for businesses on a NB

https://goo.gl/maps/dKSUpUuFmZc3yRxw7

You figure that sending them on US 130 north to Farnsworth Ave. would be better to get truckers there.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4086 on: November 07, 2022, 09:45:03 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/6xtYVYdZqXvzyCKt9
The control city for I-295 NB from Route 656 EB near Florence is the most hilarious control city they could ever use.

The reasoning is likely because of trucks using it to jump onto the turnpike a little ways up. But yeah, not quite kosher.

NJDOT, for 295 South past Interchanges 57 & 56, encourage truckers to make a u-turn at Exit 52 A to head back north on 295 to Exit 56. This is the on-ramp to complete that u-turn.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Z6f65QnS6x2wT3De6 (Note the usage of Gas and not Gas/Diesel or Fuel.)

This unique control city is the result of them "helping", although I'm sure the businesses would appreciate their logos not to be hidden behind the sign.


That makes sense, even though itís a strange way of doing things for businesses on a NB

https://goo.gl/maps/dKSUpUuFmZc3yRxw7

You figure that sending them on US 130 north to Farnsworth Ave. would be better to get truckers there.

They discourage truckers from going that way, although I don't believe they outright prohibit it.

The idea of making Interchange 56 a full interchange has been floated, but doesn't appear to have gained much traction currently.  It's fairly close to Interchange 57 so there's probably a bit of a weaving issue if they were to build the missing movements.
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« Reply #4087 on: November 07, 2022, 10:31:00 PM »


They discourage truckers from going that way, although I don't believe they outright prohibit it.
This would sure suggest that: https://goo.gl/maps/sgjdnfNdjXAoWzyVA (and apparently that truck then turns!)

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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4088 on: November 08, 2022, 10:15:00 AM »

It might be a good idea for SB US 130 to have a J Left turn into Rising Sun Road. This way truckers could exit onto US 130 south and turn left into Rising Sun instead of the project that would be contending with a ramp off I-295 south at Rising Sun with US 130 traffic merging in there.


On another note, I see the Brigantine Connector has enhanced mile markers.  Itís odd, though, the use of the ACE shield with a Connector banner across it.
https://goo.gl/maps/o1nEUyL62iVuJCUR8
You would think the assigned route number 446X would make better reference to stranded motorists.

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« Reply #4089 on: November 08, 2022, 02:41:45 PM »

No one knows what Route 446X is in the general public. Same for 444, 445, 700 and so on.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4090 on: November 08, 2022, 04:08:37 PM »

It might be a good idea for SB US 130 to have a J Left turn into Rising Sun Road. This way truckers could exit onto US 130 south and turn left into Rising Sun instead of the project that would be contending with a ramp off I-295 south at Rising Sun with US 130 traffic merging in there

I don't think it's a turning issue. I believe the businesses and residents on Rising Sun Road  don't want the truck traffic using the road. Unlike the residents along Cass Street in Trenton, these people probably have a bit more ability to sway NJDOT.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4091 on: November 08, 2022, 04:26:57 PM »

It might be a good idea for SB US 130 to have a J Left turn into Rising Sun Road. This way truckers could exit onto US 130 south and turn left into Rising Sun instead of the project that would be contending with a ramp off I-295 south at Rising Sun with US 130 traffic merging in there.


On another note, I see the Brigantine Connector has enhanced mile markers.  Itís odd, though, the use of the ACE shield with a Connector banner across it.
https://goo.gl/maps/o1nEUyL62iVuJCUR8
You would think the assigned route number 446X would make better reference to stranded motorists.

Not when the number is never used anywhere else
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4092 on: November 08, 2022, 07:42:27 PM »

It might be a good idea for SB US 130 to have a J Left turn into Rising Sun Road. This way truckers could exit onto US 130 south and turn left into Rising Sun instead of the project that would be contending with a ramp off I-295 south at Rising Sun with US 130 traffic merging in there.


On another note, I see the Brigantine Connector has enhanced mile markers.  Itís odd, though, the use of the ACE shield with a Connector banner across it.
https://goo.gl/maps/o1nEUyL62iVuJCUR8
You would think the assigned route number 446X would make better reference to stranded motorists.

Not when the number is never used anywhere else

Itís a reference for emergency.  The 911 or EMS should know if a call comes in where the locale is.  The enhanced mileposts are for that. Not reassuring like we all want them to be.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4093 on: November 08, 2022, 07:44:19 PM »

It might be a good idea for SB US 130 to have a J Left turn into Rising Sun Road. This way truckers could exit onto US 130 south and turn left into Rising Sun instead of the project that would be contending with a ramp off I-295 south at Rising Sun with US 130 traffic merging in there

I don't think it's a turning issue. I believe the businesses and residents on Rising Sun Road  don't want the truck traffic using the road. Unlike the residents along Cass Street in Trenton, these people probably have a bit more ability to sway NJDOT.


The NB US 130 has Truck Stops next right sign at Rising Sun.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4094 on: November 08, 2022, 08:37:13 PM »

It might be a good idea for SB US 130 to have a J Left turn into Rising Sun Road. This way truckers could exit onto US 130 south and turn left into Rising Sun instead of the project that would be contending with a ramp off I-295 south at Rising Sun with US 130 traffic merging in there.


On another note, I see the Brigantine Connector has enhanced mile markers.  Itís odd, though, the use of the ACE shield with a Connector banner across it.
https://goo.gl/maps/o1nEUyL62iVuJCUR8
You would think the assigned route number 446X would make better reference to stranded motorists.

Not when the number is never used anywhere else

Itís a reference for emergency.  The 911 or EMS should know if a call comes in where the locale is.  The enhanced mileposts are for that. Not reassuring like we all want them to be.

The milepost is used for that, but not 446X. No one other than NJDOT and us road geeks are aware of it.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4095 on: November 08, 2022, 08:58:13 PM »

Thatís my point. It should be made known to EMS and reference markers on side of road.
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« Reply #4096 on: November 08, 2022, 09:54:47 PM »

Thatís my point. It should be made known to EMS and reference markers on side of road.

The number is solely for NJDOT internal use. SJTA doesn't use it. They have no reason to sign it and I wouldn't expect them to.
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« Reply #4097 on: November 08, 2022, 10:14:53 PM »

Thatís my point. It should be made known to EMS and reference markers on side of road.

The number is solely for NJDOT internal use. SJTA doesn't use it. They have no reason to sign it and I wouldn't expect them to.

Then why even have the enhanced mile marker if itís hard to read?  Itís not that hard to implement a change in what to call a road. Just send a department memo and hold pubic information hearings etc.   Even so they donít need that.  Those in the hierarchy can do it as an executive level to say hey letís use the state reference number to identify a road to make it easier to identify in emergency.

I donít expect them to do all this as much as signing NJ 87 shields at the north terminus of the Connector. Just a suggestion on my part being the connector shield is not that different from the expressway mainline shield.

https://goo.gl/maps/WmmK6uE4UWqbi7WVA
On another note, at least the city got a US 40 shield in someplace.  Too bad Albany Avenue canít have more shields and NJDOT canít place enhanced mileposts on Albany Avenue either.  In fact the first US 40 shield, I believe is in Pleasantville if you head west on the two routes.
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« Reply #4098 on: November 08, 2022, 10:26:09 PM »

Thatís my point. It should be made known to EMS and reference markers on side of road.

The number is solely for NJDOT internal use. SJTA doesn't use it. They have no reason to sign it and I wouldn't expect them to.

Then why even have the enhanced mile marker if itís hard to read?  Itís not that hard to implement a change in what to call a road. Just send a department memo and hold pubic information hearings etc.   Even so they donít need that.  Those in the hierarchy can do it as an executive level to say hey letís use the state reference number to identify a road to make it easier to identify in emergency.

I donít expect them to do all this as much as signing NJ 87 shields at the north terminus of the Connector. Just a suggestion on my part being the connector shield is not that different from the expressway mainline shield.

https://goo.gl/maps/WmmK6uE4UWqbi7WVA
On another note, at least the city got a US 40 shield in someplace.  Too bad Albany Avenue canít have more shields and NJDOT canít place enhanced mileposts on Albany Avenue either.  In fact the first US 40 shield, I believe is in Pleasantville if you head west on the two routes.

Incorrect:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3604453,-74.4621725,3a,36.3y,326.68h,89.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sc_HgCDV7TkZyKxP-Q4VWFg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4099 on: November 08, 2022, 10:27:49 PM »

Thatís why I said ď I believeĒ in my sentence as margin of error and asking a question of where the first shield really is.

Oh and I stand corrected with mile markers as the Drawbridge has the 64 mile marker from the Delaware Memorial Bridge where I missed it on zooming through GSV.
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