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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4100 on: November 08, 2022, 11:37:21 PM »

Not sure what the hangup is with the desire to have the Connector having a NJ Route Number posted, yet never had an issue with the Expressway, Parkway, or Turnpike.  Especially the Turnpike, being many people have always thought they were on 95.

At the very least, if the Connector wasn't readily readable to someone calling in for assistance, at least the 'North' and 'South' would give it away on mileposts.

And what may be an unpopular opinion, EMS may be great at saving lives, but many drivers are fairly ditzy when it comes to knowing roads.  Even more so when I'll see a cop racing down the shoulder of a highway to get to a crash, then a fire truck racing down the shoulder of the highway...then an Ambulance trying to squeeze between 2 lanes of stopped traffic as they slowly move out of the way...when they could've taken the same shoulder to get to the crash scene.

Even if you trained EMS as to what the route number is, chances are the communication is going to use what is most familiar to those in the field.

Thatís why I said ď I believeĒ in my sentence as margin of error and asking a question of where the first shield really is.

Oh and I stand corrected with mile markers as the Drawbridge has the 64 mile marker from the Delaware Memorial Bridge where I missed it on zooming through GSV.

And a 63.5.  https://goo.gl/maps/ahrAFWZKrA9MXd8T8

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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4101 on: November 10, 2022, 03:06:58 PM »

No hang ups. Just stating my reasons.  I a not interested in  changing it nor suggesting to the South Jersey Transportation Authority to take my consideration into thought either.


Just a wishful thought that I would share.  Right now Iíve moved on and considering Florida got a hit from Nicole Iím more focused on that.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4102 on: November 13, 2022, 07:04:09 PM »

Question about I-295 and US 130 overlap in Gloucester County.   Of course prior to 1985, the freeway was very substandard and it’s interchanges had very poor ramp geometries as well as using a restriped shoulders as acceleration and deceleration lanes and then the remnants of today are the frequent interchanges it has using the A-B exit numbers for two separate exits being within two whole mileposts.

I remember that also the signs were substandard as well for each exit as well as some businesse having driveways to and from the freeway between Route 44 and the I-295 and US 130 split.  For example the NB signed Exit 16B which is this https://goo.gl/maps/ynwMLAtZ6jCeCUAe7
was this in the seventies:

DEMOCRAT RD
GIBBSTOWN

Then later
CR 673
Gibbstown

In 1985 I saw the lane addition to the freeway from four to six overall lanes.  I take this didn’t bring yet the freeway up to standards as the tight ramps were not yet redesigned until later?

Plus when about did the state buy up all the US 130 front properties and transform completely the US 130 expressways into the current I-295?


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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4103 on: November 19, 2022, 06:52:16 PM »

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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4104 on: November 19, 2022, 10:25:45 PM »

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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4105 on: November 22, 2022, 11:47:04 AM »

If it works, why fight it. I have admit. Drive Sober or get pulled over is too old and beyond corny now.  Click it or ticket, is older now than Bell Bottoms.

Why knock something new especially living in a world where tradition is been tossed out for progress.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4106 on: November 22, 2022, 11:58:15 AM »

Question about I-295 and US 130 overlap in Gloucester County.   Of course prior to 1985, the freeway was very substandard and itís interchanges had very poor ramp geometries as well as using a restriped shoulders as acceleration and deceleration lanes and then the remnants of today are the frequent interchanges it has using the A-B exit numbers for two separate exits being within two whole mileposts.

I remember that also the signs were substandard as well for each exit as well as some businesse having driveways to and from the freeway between Route 44 and the I-295 and US 130 split.  For example the NB signed Exit 16B which is this https://goo.gl/maps/ynwMLAtZ6jCeCUAe7
was this in the seventies:

DEMOCRAT RD
GIBBSTOWN

Then later
CR 673
Gibbstown

In 1985 I saw the lane addition to the freeway from four to six overall lanes.  I take this didnít bring yet the freeway up to standards as the tight ramps were not yet redesigned until later?

Plus when about did the state buy up all the US 130 front properties and transform completely the US 130 expressways into the current I-295?




Well, I remember in 1983, there was a gap in I-295 with at-grade intersections, and street signs that said "Route 130".  So it must have been upgraded not long after that.  I really didn't have occasion to use that part of I-295 again until the mid- to late-1990s, so I don't know what happened when.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4107 on: November 22, 2022, 01:08:08 PM »

Plus when about did the state buy up all the US 130 front properties and transform completely the US 130 expressways into the current I-295?

If you're talking about the stretch in West Deptford around Interchange 21/22, I don't know if the state fully bought up any property. They may have bought some frontage area, but many of the businesses (or at least the buildings) that were  there prior to 1990 are still there, including the Crown Point Truck Stop, a trailer park, and other small businesses.

A Drive-In theater closed at some point prior to 2000, and the property is now becoming a warehouse.

Up further near where 295 and 130 meet at Int. 23, there is the remains of a small gas station hidden behind a fence and brush. https://maps.app.goo.gl/8wiWsy2kyLiTb3px6 . This property appears to have been taken by the state, but I can't figure out looking at Historicaerial views if it was taken in the early 90s, or during another reconfiguration of this area prior to that.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4108 on: November 28, 2022, 12:41:09 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/nwbKMNzVstDDkbE17
Shouldnít this Exit 57A guide also include a SB Garden State Parkway shield being that NJ 19 is a de facto ramp between I-80 and the Parkway?
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4109 on: November 28, 2022, 12:58:02 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/nwbKMNzVstDDkbE17
Shouldnít this Exit 57A guide also include a SB Garden State Parkway shield being that NJ 19 is a de facto ramp between I-80 and the Parkway?

It is a brand new sign, as you can tell from no backplate. Certainly they should have added the "TO" GSP South shield.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4110 on: November 28, 2022, 01:58:30 PM »

The old sign didn't have one either. So, maybe it should, but its not a downgrade.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4111 on: November 28, 2022, 05:16:39 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/nwbKMNzVstDDkbE17
Shouldnít this Exit 57A guide also include a SB Garden State Parkway shield being that NJ 19 is a de facto ramp between I-80 and the Parkway?

NJDOT considers the Parkway ramp an exit off 19, and the real end is 46 in Clifton. By that logic, the sign off 80 is signed properly.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4112 on: November 28, 2022, 05:26:48 PM »

Yes, but it should include GSP shields as a TO being the Saddle Brook Interchange has EB to SB use local streets to make the connection.

Sort of like NJ 3 East was signed TO GSP South on US 46 East before the interchange there had the current reconfiguration took place.  There it was posted that way due to lack of a SB GSP ramp in Clifton from US 46 Eastbound.

Oh yeah love the control city fot the Parkway here
https://goo.gl/maps/9nPvz9eupgBhPhhV6
Department of Redundancy Department.
Take the Garden State Parkway South to the Garden State Parkway.  Real nice.


https://goo.gl/maps/wxbmBMcfV4THuStN6
Then no acknowledgement of US 46 east from CR 509 NB.
https://goo.gl/maps/rSkAL29CufgpSdcy6
SB NJ 19/ CR 509 you get a faded shield, but at least a shield.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4113 on: November 28, 2022, 06:55:38 PM »

Yes, but it should include GSP shields as a TO being the Saddle Brook Interchange has EB to SB use local streets to make the connection.

Sort of like NJ 3 East was signed TO GSP South on US 46 East before the interchange there had the current reconfiguration took place.  There it was posted that way due to lack of a SB GSP ramp in Clifton from US 46 Eastbound.

Oh yeah love the control city fot the Parkway here
https://goo.gl/maps/9nPvz9eupgBhPhhV6
Department of Redundancy Department.
Take the Garden State Parkway South to the Garden State Parkway.  Real nice.

NJDOT feels (correctly) that most people have trouble reading the shield on a BGS. Its useful if you are a local to have the shield, but if you're not, then the shield does you no good.

https://goo.gl/maps/wxbmBMcfV4THuStN6
Then no acknowledgement of US 46 east from CR 509 NB.

There used to be.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8748394,-74.168204,3a,75y,4.6h,81.81t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sB31TxObvGwbYZw_pHPCETA!2e0!5s20130701T000000!7i13312!8i6656

https://goo.gl/maps/rSkAL29CufgpSdcy6
SB NJ 19/ CR 509 you get a faded shield, but at least a shield.

That's a pretty old sign for sure.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4114 on: November 28, 2022, 08:22:57 PM »

I thought there were all new signs on  19.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4115 on: November 28, 2022, 09:14:39 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/48HsqAmAEJhc6UFp8
Odd to see a 700 series route in NJ.

Also unusual to see Passaic County sign routes at all.
https://goo.gl/maps/fcsg5oLoGXFDw7xF9
https://goo.gl/maps/Erfs8AkCbYmHP7bb6
https://goo.gl/maps/3UhjQE11huYsM9PU7
These links is further west on CR 504 from the CR 703 junction where it changes alignment at Newark Pompton Turnpike from Black Oak Ridge Road.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4116 on: November 28, 2022, 09:24:36 PM »

Passaic County did a complete signing of all their 600/700 series routes in 2015ish. Even put up a few END signs.
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« Reply #4117 on: November 28, 2022, 09:37:13 PM »

I was a Montclair student when they did. The Passaic County people told me that they would put up new shields as they repaved the roads. So the signage was always done in bits. Lots were popping up (including an incorrect one in Hawthorne).
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4118 on: November 28, 2022, 11:42:26 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/48HsqAmAEJhc6UFp8
Odd to see a 700 series route in NJ.

Also unusual to see Passaic County sign routes at all.
https://goo.gl/maps/fcsg5oLoGXFDw7xF9
https://goo.gl/maps/Erfs8AkCbYmHP7bb6
https://goo.gl/maps/3UhjQE11huYsM9PU7
These links is further west on CR 504 from the CR 703 junction where it changes alignment at Newark Pompton Turnpike from Black Oak Ridge Road.

Camden County has a few 700's signed too.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4119 on: November 29, 2022, 12:52:04 AM »

Oh yeah love the control city fot the Parkway here
https://goo.gl/maps/9nPvz9eupgBhPhhV6
Department of Redundancy Department.
Take the Garden State Parkway South to the Garden State Parkway.  Real nice.

That is, for better or worse, standard practice for NJDOT. Even though the NJTA adopted standardized control cities for both the Parkway and Turnpike, NJDOT will forever sign the control cities for interchanges with those roadways "Garden State Parkway" or "New Jersey Turnpike" (or some abbreviated version thereof).
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4120 on: November 29, 2022, 03:14:26 AM »

Yeah just like New York for the Thruway and Pennsylvania for the PA Turnpike. They donít like for some reason to use control cities.

NJ is one worse as they wonít use mileage signs on freeways like they do other state highways. The ones you do see are those townships that are along the way but not used enough in common chat, plus two left from the 1960ís era when NJ was going to go next exit, control city format like many states do hence the copied over Berkley Heights 5, Jct 287 18 and Clinton 32 on I-78 WB in Springfield. and Columbia 7 Del. Water Gap 11 on I-80 WB past CR 521.

There was a Bedminster 3 Metuchen 20 in Bernardís Township south of CR 525, but never survived the mid 1990s widening of I-287 which obviously suggested the next exit for sure as 3 miles south of CR 525 is the US 202/206 exit well into Bedminster. Metuchen was obvious used because of the original I-287 terminus if the Somerset Freeway had been built.

Also, NJDOT never really put effort into signing control cities either on interstate ramps like itís neighbors done with free freeways. At least NY and PA always used control cities for freeway ramps.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4121 on: November 29, 2022, 05:22:38 AM »

https://goo.gl/maps/M7K2819pzChPDgbCA
Iím going to guess that at the Trenton- Hamilton Border is where US 206 changes jurisdiction from NJDOT to the City of Trenton.

I noticed the change in pavement which usually signifies a change in maintenance, usually at state lines.  Here such change in pavement exists in the caption.
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« Reply #4122 on: November 29, 2022, 06:13:08 AM »

https://goo.gl/maps/M7K2819pzChPDgbCA
Iím going to guess that at the Trenton- Hamilton Border is where US 206 changes jurisdiction from NJDOT to the City of Trenton.

I noticed the change in pavement which usually signifies a change in maintenance, usually at state lines.  Here such change in pavement exists in the caption.

Per the SLD and confirmed via the township website, 206 north of the circle is now municipal.
https://www.state.nj.us/transportation/refdata/sldiag/pdf/00000206__-.pdf
https://hamiltonnj.com/FAQ.aspx?QID=549
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4123 on: November 29, 2022, 06:25:12 AM »

Interesting that the state relinquished the route to Hamilton Township.



On another story, is the US 46 bridge over NJ 17 NB.
https://goo.gl/maps/t6DHuu7ccp3badHV6
I take NJDOT is going let it continue to crumble into the nets?

NJDOT has no plans soon to replace as it has to compete with many other failing structures including Route 4 over the Hackensack River nearby.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #4124 on: December 04, 2022, 09:28:35 PM »

What's the significance of this "SJTA Starts" sign at the US 30 / I-676 split in Camden? https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9474442,-75.1171614,3a,19y,143.8h,86.02t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGmqVLDDM6XIsUxr6gF6BkA!2e0!5s20220701T000000!7i16384!8i8192
To my knowledge the SJTA doesn't have any assets in the area. Does SJTA stand for something else here? There is a corresponding "SJTA Ends" sign in the other direction. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9474846,-75.1167168,3a,44.2y,323.63h,79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sa-txJ-o_rYEuM0BPzvqDwg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
And speaking of that area, who is this oddly placed "Welcome to New Jersey" sign meant to be for?
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9468104,-75.1153028,3a,30.9y,84.78h,88.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdRQ1FkzB7dYkiqCDE_Oz4g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
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