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[Rothman]

Article on I-81 controversy in today’s NY Times (may be paywalled).

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwikut6N86n_AhVljokEHbkXDI0QFnoECDwQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2023%2F06%2F03%2Fnyregion%2Fsyracuse-interstate-81.html&usg=AOvVaw186VA62IQz_lNL_8WGPBbx

Heh.  It's a State project, not a City of Syracuse project.  The fact they focused on Joe Driscoll and considered him the project director is probably creating a lot of snickers at NYSDOT.  "Yeah, we'll let them think that and take a break from the press..."

Then again, the City isn't being sued since it's not their project, so more power to Joe for participating in the article.

[kalvado]

Article on I-81 controversy in today’s NY Times (may be paywalled).

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwikut6N86n_AhVljokEHbkXDI0QFnoECDwQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2023%2F06%2F03%2Fnyregion%2Fsyracuse-interstate-81.html&usg=AOvVaw186VA62IQz_lNL_8WGPBbx

Heh.  It's a State project, not a City of Syracuse project.  The fact they focused on Joe Driscoll and considered him the project director is probably creating a lot of snickers at NYSDOT.  "Yeah, we'll let them think that and take a break from the press..."

Then again, the City isn't being sued since it's not their project, so more power to Joe for participating in the article.

SO much for NYT proclaimed fact-checking of their writeups.

[vdeane]

I think it's annoying when people compare apples and oranges with freeway removal projects.  Syracuse is a true freeway removal of a major interstate.  Rochester removed a lightly traveled route that was close to I-490, so access didn't really change at all (especially since the only way to get to it from the east side was to drive around the other side or use local streets anyways).  Denver and Boston buried their interstates rather than remove them.  Yet the article (and many urban activists, as well) treats them as if they're all the same.

[kalvado]

I think it's annoying when people compare apples and oranges with freeway removal projects.  Syracuse is a true freeway removal of a major interstate.  Rochester removed a lightly traveled route that was close to I-490, so access didn't really change at all (especially since the only way to get to it from the east side was to drive around the other side or use local streets anyways).  Denver and Boston buried their interstates rather than remove them.  Yet the article (and many urban activists, as well) treats them as if they're all the same.

Common propagandist approaches - present significantly different things as similar when needed, focus on minor differences otherwise. Ol'good ends justifies the means thing.

[silverback1065]

I think it's annoying when people compare apples and oranges with freeway removal projects.  Syracuse is a true freeway removal of a major interstate.  Rochester removed a lightly traveled route that was close to I-490, so access didn't really change at all (especially since the only way to get to it from the east side was to drive around the other side or use local streets anyways).  Denver and Boston buried their interstates rather than remove them.  Yet the article (and many urban activists, as well) treats them as if they're all the same.

that's why I completely ignore any media stories on freeways. its always a mess of propaganda and incorrect statements.