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Started by LM117, May 27, 2016, 11:39:37 AM

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bob7374

Quote from: bob7374 on January 09, 2023, 09:16:04 PM
Since 2022 has come and gone and there has yet to be any announcement by NCDOT as to when I-42 will be signed along the Clayton and Goldsboro Bypasses, as was promised by the end of the year last March, I sent a question into NCDOT using the form provided on their website. I will let everyone know what the response is, when and if I get one.
Got a partial answer, for the Clayton Bypass:
"Hi, we are working to include this upcoming signage change with what also will be needed as part of the ongoing I-40 widening from MM 300-312 and NC 540 project that will have a major interchange in this same vicinity. We are looking to finalize that signing contract later this year."
I'll see if I can get an answer for the Goldsboro Bypass.


LM117

Quote from: bob7374 on January 10, 2023, 06:27:42 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 09, 2023, 09:16:04 PM
Since 2022 has come and gone and there has yet to be any announcement by NCDOT as to when I-42 will be signed along the Clayton and Goldsboro Bypasses, as was promised by the end of the year last March, I sent a question into NCDOT using the form provided on their website. I will let everyone know what the response is, when and if I get one.
Got a partial answer, for the Clayton Bypass:
"Hi, we are working to include this upcoming signage change with what also will be needed as part of the ongoing I-40 widening from MM 300-312 and NC 540 project that will have a major interchange in this same vicinity. We are looking to finalize that signing contract later this year."
I'll see if I can get an answer for the Goldsboro Bypass.

Reading between the lines, it looks to me that they're gonna send a request to AASHTO to put US-70 back through Clayton first before signing I-42 on the Clayton Bypass, which would explain the "later this year" remark.

There was a US-70 Bypass decommissioning during an AASHTO meeting last year after the I-42 announcement was made last March, which appears to be the Goldsboro Bypass (AASHTO minutes weren't specific).
“I don’t know whether to wind my ass or scratch my watch!” - Jim Cornette

roadman65

Quote from: LM117 on December 12, 2022, 03:25:27 PM
I was wondering if the Goldsboro US-70 Bypass was the one that was referred to in AASHTO's report. The link that was posted in the main AASHTO 2022 thread wasn't specific.

I agree that moving US-70 back to it's old alignment through Clayton is pretty much all but certain at this point if I-587 & US-264 is any indication. No complaints from me.

Have they signed ALT 264 as mainline yet between Greenville and Wilson? GSV still shows as of last Summer no.  However, I can't remember when I-587 officially opened either. All I remember is recently.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

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74/171FAN

Quote from: roadman65 on January 11, 2023, 06:43:42 AM
Quote from: LM117 on December 12, 2022, 03:25:27 PM
I was wondering if the Goldsboro US-70 Bypass was the one that was referred to in AASHTO's report. The link that was posted in the main AASHTO 2022 thread wasn't specific.

I agree that moving US-70 back to it's old alignment through Clayton is pretty much all but certain at this point if I-587 & US-264 is any indication. No complaints from me.

Have they signed ALT 264 as mainline yet between Greenville and Wilson? GSV still shows as of last Summer no.  However, I can't remember when I-587 officially opened either. All I remember is recently.

Yes, as of December 20th.  (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10218068902394600&set=a.10218069031877837)

QuoteReading between the lines, it looks to me that they're gonna send a request to AASHTO to put US-70 back through Clayton first before signing I-42 on the Clayton Bypass, which would explain the "later this year" remark.

I see it as being in conjunction with the completion of the I-40 widening project or even the I-40/US 70 (I-42)/NC 540 interchange.
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LM117

Quote from: LM117 on January 11, 2023, 06:35:25 AMReading between the lines, it looks to me that they're gonna send a request to AASHTO to put US-70 back through Clayton first before signing I-42 on the Clayton Bypass, which would explain the "later this year" remark.

Quote from: 74/171FAN on January 11, 2023, 07:12:14 AMI see it as being in conjunction with the completion of the I-40 widening project or even the I-40/US 70 (I-42)/NC 540 interchange.

Or both.

Quote from: WashuOtaku on December 12, 2022, 01:51:50 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on December 12, 2022, 12:07:28 PMNew overhead signs went up recently along I-40 East for the Clayton Bypass and there was only room for a US 70 shield, making it look like NCDOT is in no rush to put up I-42 shields along on that roadway:
Well, they can easily switch out US 70 with I-42. I suspect they will move US 70 mainline back through Clayton so I-42 would be the sole route on the freeway, similar to the I-587 and US 264 seperation.
“I don’t know whether to wind my ass or scratch my watch!” - Jim Cornette

The Ghostbuster

Google Maps still only has the Interstate 42 designation in one location (at the eastern end of the US 70 Goldsboro Bypass). Hopefully once 42 is signed in reality, more of the US 70 corridor will be marked as Interstate 42 as well.

LM117

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 11, 2023, 12:25:08 PM
Google Maps still only has the Interstate 42 designation in one location (at the eastern end of the US 70 Goldsboro Bypass).

It's been like that for a while now, so Google jumped the gun.

QuoteHopefully once 42 is signed in reality, more of the US 70 corridor will be marked as Interstate 42 as well.

Other than the Clayton & Goldsboro bypasses, the only other section that's currently interstate standard is the part between Dover and New Bern, but I don't see it getting I-42 shields until the Kinston Bypass is built (whenever that is).
“I don’t know whether to wind my ass or scratch my watch!” - Jim Cornette

LM117

As part of the interstate upgrade project in Wilson's Mills, the section of Bear Farm Road between US-70 and the railroad will be closed from Jan. 30-Feb. 28.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-01-24-johnston-county-road-closure.aspx
“I don’t know whether to wind my ass or scratch my watch!” - Jim Cornette

bob7374

Quote from: 74/171FAN on January 11, 2023, 07:12:14 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 11, 2023, 06:43:42 AM
Quote from: LM117 on December 12, 2022, 03:25:27 PM
I was wondering if the Goldsboro US-70 Bypass was the one that was referred to in AASHTO's report. The link that was posted in the main AASHTO 2022 thread wasn't specific.

I agree that moving US-70 back to it's old alignment through Clayton is pretty much all but certain at this point if I-587 & US-264 is any indication. No complaints from me.

Have they signed ALT 264 as mainline yet between Greenville and Wilson? GSV still shows as of last Summer no.  However, I can't remember when I-587 officially opened either. All I remember is recently.

Yes, as of December 20th.  (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10218068902394600&set=a.10218069031877837)

QuoteReading between the lines, it looks to me that they're gonna send a request to AASHTO to put US-70 back through Clayton first before signing I-42 on the Clayton Bypass, which would explain the "later this year" remark.

I see it as being in conjunction with the completion of the I-40 widening project or even the I-40/US 70 (I-42)/NC 540 interchange.
I sent a followup questions specifically asking about the Goldsboro Bypass (below). Removing Bypass US 70 from the Goldsboro Bypass was approved by AASHTO last year. They are sending an application to place US 70 on its old alignment through Clayton. Creation of sign plans for I-42 will wait until after the application is approved:
"This is in reference to your contact us inquiry concerning the routing of US 70 and I-42 in Johnston, Wayne and Lenior Counties. States are required to receive approval from the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) for any Interstate additions. NCDOT is required to receive approval from American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials (AASHTO) for any US route modifications. AASHTO only meets twice a year, once in fall and spring. NCDOT received FHWA approval of I-42 on March 7, 2022. NCDOT received AASHTO approval on May 19, 2022, to removed US 70 Bypass within Wayne and Lenior Counties. Since the portion of what was US 70 Bypass is now approved as an Interstate, there is no need to have a concurrent route following the same pavement. Removal of the US Bypass route allows for simplification of the signs and messaging. We will begin the process of acquiring resolutions and completing AASHTO applications to gain permission to return US 70 onto it's original route through Clayton. As with any project, engineering plans are needed for construction including signing modifications. The signing plans are currently in production."

nerdom

Makes me wonder how they will treat US70 in western Craven County. They can use the original routing which is NC 55 going through Ft. Barnwell and Jasper to New Bern but, I feel that they will use Old 70 from Dover straight through Cove City to New Bern. If they use either, I would love if they followed the old BUS 70 down Neuse Blvd. to Broad St. then over the drawbridge to James City. There is already enough highways multiplexed over the twin spans to begin with.

wdcrft63

Quote from: nerdom on January 31, 2023, 08:46:33 PM
Makes me wonder how they will treat US70 in western Craven County. They can use the original routing which is NC 55 going through Ft. Barnwell and Jasper to New Bern but, I feel that they will use Old 70 from Dover straight through Cove City to New Bern. If they use either, I would love if they followed the old BUS 70 down Neuse Blvd. to Broad St. then over the drawbridge to James City. There is already enough highways multiplexed over the twin spans to begin with.
Probably US 70 won't be going anywhere. It's unlikely NCDOT will even consider NC 55 and Old 70 is a narrow 2-lane that's been in the secondary system for many years.

bob7374

NCDOT has let the design-build contract that will upgrade US 70 between James City and the future Havelock Bypass to interstate standards, construction to start in 2024:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-02-01-us-70-upgrade-craven-county.aspx

LM117

Quote from: wdcrft63 on January 31, 2023, 10:34:48 PM
Quote from: nerdom on January 31, 2023, 08:46:33 PM
Makes me wonder how they will treat US70 in western Craven County. They can use the original routing which is NC 55 going through Ft. Barnwell and Jasper to New Bern but, I feel that they will use Old 70 from Dover straight through Cove City to New Bern. If they use either, I would love if they followed the old BUS 70 down Neuse Blvd. to Broad St. then over the drawbridge to James City. There is already enough highways multiplexed over the twin spans to begin with.
Probably US 70 won't be going anywhere. It's unlikely NCDOT will even consider NC 55 and Old 70 is a narrow 2-lane that's been in the secondary system for many years.

Agreed. I think I-42 & US-70 will only be separated at the bypasses, with the overlap occurring between them.
“I don’t know whether to wind my ass or scratch my watch!” - Jim Cornette

roadman65

How about Selma? Its bypass is short. They might as well extend US 70 ALT through Selma and keep US 70 on the bypass.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

LM117

Quote from: roadman65 on February 01, 2023, 01:31:21 PM
How about Selma? Its bypass is short. They might as well extend US 70 ALT through Selma and keep US 70 on the bypass.

Since I-42 will use US-70 Bypass in Selma, I'd just decommission US-70 Bypass and call it a day.
“I don’t know whether to wind my ass or scratch my watch!” - Jim Cornette

wdcrft63

Quote from: LM117 on February 01, 2023, 04:19:07 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 01, 2023, 01:31:21 PM
How about Selma? Its bypass is short. They might as well extend US 70 ALT through Selma and keep US 70 on the bypass.

Since I-42 will use US-70 Bypass in Selma, I'd just decommission US-70 Bypass and call it a day.
Another possibility: put US 70 on US 70 BUS through Smithfield (this would be consistent with returning it to Clayton as already announced). Decommission US 70 BYP and also US 70 ALT; make US 70 ALT a state primary highway through Pine Level, perhaps NC 270.

froggie

Quote from: wdcrft63 on February 02, 2023, 09:47:40 PM
Quote from: LM117 on February 01, 2023, 04:19:07 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 01, 2023, 01:31:21 PM
How about Selma? Its bypass is short. They might as well extend US 70 ALT through Selma and keep US 70 on the bypass.

Since I-42 will use US-70 Bypass in Selma, I'd just decommission US-70 Bypass and call it a day.
Another possibility: put US 70 on US 70 BUS through Smithfield (this would be consistent with returning it to Clayton as already announced). Decommission US 70 BYP and also US 70 ALT; make US 70 ALT a state primary highway through Pine Level, perhaps NC 270.

There are two big differences between Clayton and Smithfield.  BUS 70 through Clayton is 4 lanes and is on the National Highway System.  BUS 70 through Smithfield is neither.

sprjus4

Quote from: froggie on February 02, 2023, 11:04:04 PM
There are two big differences between Clayton and Smithfield.  BUS 70 through Clayton is 4 lanes and is on the National Highway System.  BUS 70 through Smithfield is neither.
US-70 Business between the eastern end of the Clayton Bypass, and the interchange recently constructed near Oliver (where US-70 Business meets back to US-70 east of Smithfield) is mostly four lanes, only the last few miles east of Downtown Smithfield is rural 2 lane rural.

Additionally, if this was a problem, then why did the FHWA and AASHTO approve moving US-264 back onto US-264 Alt between Wilson and Greenville when I-587 was posted last year? All of US-264 Alt is a rural 2 lane road.

WashuOtaku

Quote from: sprjus4 on February 03, 2023, 12:16:55 AM
Quote from: froggie on February 02, 2023, 11:04:04 PM
There are two big differences between Clayton and Smithfield.  BUS 70 through Clayton is 4 lanes and is on the National Highway System.  BUS 70 through Smithfield is neither.
US-70 Business between the eastern end of the Clayton Bypass, and the interchange recently constructed near Oliver (where US-70 Business meets back to US-70 east of Smithfield) is mostly four lanes, only the last few miles east of Downtown Smithfield is rural 2 lane rural.

Additionally, if this was a problem, then why did the FHWA and AASHTO approve moving US-264 back onto US-264 Alt between Wilson and Greenville when I-587 was posted last year? All of US-264 Alt is a rural 2 lane road.

Alternate routes are not downgrades, but a viable second option if traveling US 264. For US 264, it is an obvious difference on what will get you faster from point A to point B, but in many other parts of the United States, the mainline and alternate route are not much different, just a different route. So it is not difficult for AASHTO to move the mainline onto an alternate route.

Henry

Are there any signage plans for the I-40/I-42 interchange? Granted, it'll also be the same point where NC 540 is planned to intersect, but I think it would be good to see them as a preview of what's to come.
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nerdom

Quote from: Henry on February 03, 2023, 03:20:41 PM
Are there any signage plans for the I-40/I-42 interchange? Granted, it'll also be the same point where NC 540 is planned to intersect, but I think it would be good to see them as a preview of what's to come.
Page 8 of the Complete 540 thread.

The Ghostbuster

The US 70 intersection with Slocum Rd. (which connects with the Marine Corps. Air Station Cherry Point airfield), has seen some upgrades over the last few years. Were the upgrades to this intersection necessary, even though future US 70/future Interstate 42 will bypass this segment of existing US 70?

froggie

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 03, 2023, 05:31:50 PM
The US 70 intersection with Slocum Rd. (which connects with the Marine Corps. Air Station Cherry Point airfield), has seen some upgrades over the last few years. Were the upgrades to this intersection necessary, even though future US 70/future Interstate 42 will bypass this segment of existing US 70?

Yes, the intersection had a long-standing crash and congestion problem.  A lot of left-traffic turning from 70 onto Slocum and what had been a short left turn lane with not a lot of room to lengthen it.

bob7374

NCDOT is announcing temporary closures along US 70 in Craven County as part of the project building the Future I-42 Havelock Bypass, due to open in 2024:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-02-17-lane-closures-craven-county.aspx

bob7374

The Swift Creek Road intersection with US 70 in Wilsons Mills will permanently close next week so that work to build the bridge for the new interchange can start:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2023/2023-03-02-johnston-county-road-closure.aspx



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