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[1995hoo]

Staten Island is geographically, geologically, and topographically, New Jersey. Why it was ever considered part of NY is beyond me. It has extremely similar terrain and geological features as eastern NJ, and the borough as a whole does not look at all like it's a part of "New York City". Driving on the West Shore Expressway you would not think you were in a city or anywhere near one. It is more rural than parts of Long Island. The Verrazano Bridge, going from NY to NY, span is almost 2.5 miles long and the Geothals bridge is only 1/2 - 1 mile long at most. It has 3 short bridges connecting it to NJ, but one, long bridge connecting it to NYC, showing that it most likely broke off from NJ ages ago. Also, redesignating it NJ may show how ridiculous the double-toll is to drive from NJ to Brooklyn. The goethals bridge shouldn't be tolled, only the Verrazano, since that is the real "Hudson River Crossing". Also, this would allow the speed limits to be bumped to 55 mph, since NYC caps all highways at 50 mph within it's confines.. To summarize, it is closer, and looks very much more like NJ than NY, let alone NYC. Please forgive me of this has been discussed elsewhere in the forums years ago. I just joined the site this month, and while I do look at the first page of threads in a topic, like off-topic, to see if someone already started a similar topic, but I don't check every page, also I might be sharing a new specific reason/justification of why that same idea should be implemented, so Don't get all "oh FritzOwl already included that in his pave all of America with roads plan!"

Maybe if you got your wish and Staten Island were part of New Jersey, the Staten Island Expressway could be turned over to the New Jersey Turnpike and upgraded to some version of a dual-dual setup (though space constraints might require use of double-decking to pull that off, which would would raise various other issues relating both to aesthetic issues and how to tie it into the approach to the Verrazzano). That, in turn, would reduce the amount of congestion on the SIE and maybe reduce the amount of time it shows as "Black" or "Red" on Google Maps.

[tmoore952]

Florida has a couple of surface roads that are tolled, though I don't believe any of them have traffic lights.

A US location with a toll to drive through a neighborhood might be Lake Harmony, Pennsylvania. You have to pay a toll to use Moseywood Road as a shortcut from PA-940 to PA-903. It's a privately-owned road.

Another place like that is Hilton Head, SC. We wanted to go to the lighthouse at the far southern end of the island, but south of the last entry/exit for the route to the mainland (which is the roundabout at the end of US 278), is a toll booth. Everything south of that point is privately owned and we had to pay to pass that point.

EDIT - yes - just noticed that I am mentioning US 278 in a thread where many other posts are mentioning I-278 for good reason.

[RoadRage2023]

Staten Island is geographically, geologically, and topographically, New Jersey. Why it was ever considered part of NY is beyond me. It has extremely similar terrain and geological features as eastern NJ, and the borough as a whole does not look at all like it's a part of "New York City". Driving on the West Shore Expressway you would not think you were in a city or anywhere near one. It is more rural than parts of Long Island. The Verrazano Bridge, going from NY to NY, span is almost 2.5 miles long and the Geothals bridge is only 1/2 - 1 mile long at most. It has 3 short bridges connecting it to NJ, but one, long bridge connecting it to NYC, showing that it most likely broke off from NJ ages ago. Also, redesignating it NJ may show how ridiculous the double-toll is to drive from NJ to Brooklyn. The goethals bridge shouldn't be tolled, only the Verrazano, since that is the real "Hudson River Crossing". Also, this would allow the speed limits to be bumped to 55 mph, since NYC caps all highways at 50 mph within it's confines.. To summarize, it is closer, and looks very much more like NJ than NY, let alone NYC. Please forgive me of this has been discussed elsewhere in the forums years ago. I just joined the site this month, and while I do look at the first page of threads in a topic, like off-topic, to see if someone already started a similar topic, but I don't check every page, also I might be sharing a new specific reason/justification of why that same idea should be implemented, so Don't get all "oh FritzOwl already included that in his pave all of America with roads plan!"

Maybe if you got your wish and Staten Island were part of New Jersey, the Staten Island Expressway could be turned over to the New Jersey Turnpike and upgraded to some version of a dual-dual setup (though space constraints might require use of double-decking to pull that off, which would would raise various other issues relating both to aesthetic issues and how to tie it into the approach to the Verrazzano). That, in turn, would reduce the amount of congestion on the SIE and maybe reduce the amount of time it shows as "Black" or "Red" on Google Maps.

What's this?? I never said that anywhere. You're just making stuff up now?

I was giving this site the benefit of the doubt, but reading the comments on this topic is confirming my first impression.

"Baiting" people into bans, immediately accusing new members of duplicate accounts for having the same opinions of banned users, somehow bringing race into the topic of highway overpasses/etc.  Now manufacturing quotes. I never said any borough of NYC shouldn't be part of the city, or anything about speed limits, or the Verrazano bridge. Where are you getting this from?

Googlemaps showing slow and stopped traffic all the time has nothing to do with what state parts of NYC exist in. It's the amount of cars. I don't think widening every road in the city (impossible).to even the size of route 95 in NJ would help more than a little.

Is there a way to delete my account? It seems this forum isn't a place of fair/normal discussion.

[Scott5114]

Generally, when a user no longer wishes to participate in the forum, we recommend that they scramble their password and cease using the account. We do not delete user accounts on request because doing so interferes with certain functions of the forum.

[TheDon102]

According to the MTA's report congestion will actually increase in the Bronx especially the Cross-Bronx Expressway. So we are just shifting traffic from the 'CBD' of Manhattan to the less affluent outer boroughs. Manhattan below 60th street is majority white and has a median income of $83,008, the Bronx which is around 90% non-white  and has a per capita income of $23,862, seems like they want to shift traffic from white areas to non-white neighborhoods. Also I don't know how this will affect traffic flow in Manhattan, delivery trucks will continue to clog Manhattan streets unless everyone gets a cargo bike and taxis/ubers are still needed in Manhattan and will also clog streets. NYCDOT is on a mission to make driving in Manhattan worse and worse and this congestion pricing further drives that mission but trucks and taxis aren't going away anytime soon regardless of what politicians and new urbanists want.

Also a couple of things, the London congestion pricing is only in effect from 7 am to 6 PM M-F and from noon-6 PM on Saturday/sunday and covers a much smaller geographical area, NYC congestion pricing is 24/7 including weekends from my understanding.

[TheDon102]

I did the math, and with the current toll increases and proposed rates to drive in midtown Manhattan next year,  a commuter from Elizabeth NJ to Midtown would pay approximately $85 in tolls in total to commute both ways. (Using the Optimal Route of I-278/Battery tunnel)

First of all, if you're commuting to Manhattan on a daily basis and you insist on getting there by car instead of by train, you need to seriously reevaluate your choices in life.

I wonder what all those vehicular tunnels and bridges going in and out of Manhattan are for then.

[RoadRage2023]

According to the MTA's report congestion will actually increase in the Bronx especially the Cross-Bronx Expressway. So we are just shifting traffic from the 'CBD' of Manhattan to the less affluent outer boroughs. Manhattan below 60th street is majority white and has a median income of $83,008, the Bronx which is around 90% non-white  and has a per capita income of $23,862, seems like they want to shift traffic from white areas to non-white neighborhoods. Also I don't know how this will affect traffic flow in Manhattan, delivery trucks will continue to clog Manhattan streets unless everyone gets a cargo bike and taxis/ubers are still needed in Manhattan and will also clog streets. NYCDOT is on a mission to make driving in Manhattan worse and worse and this congestion pricing further drives that mission but trucks and taxis aren't going away anytime soon regardless of what politicians and new urbanists want.

Also a couple of things, the London congestion pricing is only in effect from 7 am to 6 PM M-F and from noon-6 PM on Saturday/sunday and covers a much smaller geographical area, NYC congestion pricing is 24/7 including weekends from my understanding.

London's fee is around $16. That could be either a little cheaper or a little more expensive than the NYC plan, depending on how they define the "peak hours" here. I agree with the rest of the comment, hit the nail on the head.

[MikeTheActuary]

I wonder what all those vehicular tunnels and bridges going in and out of Manhattan are for then.

Busses, trucks, and masochists.