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Started by un1, January 19, 2009, 03:21:49 PM

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zzcarp

Quote from: Daniel Fiddler on December 03, 2023, 07:22:55 AM
Quote from: dmuzika on December 03, 2023, 01:19:18 AM
Quote from: Daniel Fiddler on November 30, 2023, 11:27:26 PM
Now if only Ontario would get its act together and increase the speed limit to 120 or 130 km / h.

100 km / h is too slow.  Even 110 km / h on the few roads its on is.

Does the traffic flow generally follow the speed limit, or does it run higher during optimal conditions?

It's been 23 years since I have been to Canada, although I would imagine they drive around 75 - 85 mph like we do.

I doubt if our speed limits were set much higher speeds would change much, same for Canada.  Drivers drive what they are comfortable at.  They just want to drive what is safe and comfortable to them more legally.

I've driven the stretch of Highway 17 from Sault Ste Marie to Sudbury at least yearly since the 90s. I'd say speeds averaged 65 mph (115kph) on the rural sections (posted 90) except for holiday weekends when there is a large OPP presence. The short 100 kph section by Sudbury tends to go 72 mph or so by my estimation.
So many miles and so many roads


AsphaltPlanet

Highway speeds in Ontario are pretty similar to those in the surrounding jurisdictions in my opinion.

I think on average, drivers in Michigan drive slightly faster than those in Ontario.  (Michigan is in my opinion, the fastest state in the Great Lakes Region).  Drivers in Ontario are in general faster than those in New York State in my opinion.  New York has slow drivers.  At least in western New York.  I'm always surprised at how slowly people drive on the freeways in and around Buffalo.
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vdeane

#1527
Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on December 03, 2023, 11:50:15 AM
Highway speeds in Ontario are pretty similar to those in the surrounding jurisdictions in my opinion.

I think on average, drivers in Michigan drive slightly faster than those in Ontario.  (Michigan is in my opinion, the fastest state in the Great Lakes Region).  Drivers in Ontario are in general faster than those in New York State in my opinion.  New York has slow drivers.  At least in western New York.  I'm always surprised at how slowly people drive on the freeways in and around Buffalo.
I imagine the slower speed of traffic around Buffalo is due to traffic levels.  I-90, I-190, and I-290 are all quite busy relative to the number of lanes they have (especially I-90).  I've found speeds around the rest of upstate tend to be higher.

EDIT: Also worth noting that the speed limit is only 55 in the urban/suburban parts of Buffalo, so driving faster than 65 risks a ticket.
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andrepoiy

#1528
I would say that on the suburban sections of MTO freeways, people tend to drive 120 km/h in good traffic conditions. On Toronto freeways (DVP, Gardiner), they drive 100-110 km/h.

On rural sections that have high volumes (such as between London ON to Toronto, or Toronto to Kingston), lots of car platoons will cruise at 130 km/h.

On rural sections that have lower volumes (like Highway 402, Highway 401 from Windsor to London), cars typically travel slower at 110-120 km/h, probably because if they do encounter a cop, they aren't in a platoon and therefore will get singled out and pulled over.


As for neighbouring jurisdictions, Quebec and NYS are the only two that I've spent a significant time in.
Quebec drivers are notorious for following the speed limit in rural areas, with many people sticking to 100-105 km/h. However, in Montreal where the urban freeways are signed for 70 km/h, most drivers ignore that and drive up to 90-100 km/h when there's no traffic.
I would agree with the sentiment that WNY drivers in the Buffalo area do drive slower.

Molandfreak

#1529
Quote from: JREwing78 on December 01, 2023, 07:00:09 PM
Even worse, the 4-lane divided sections of Hwy 17 are posted for 90 km/h! That's absurdly slow, particularly when Michigan is posting many 2-lane highways for 65mph (105 km/h).
And all of the two-lane roadways were posted at 60 mph before the oil crisis. It's not like the rural areas of northern Ontario are growing much, so if 60 was good enough then, 100 km/h should be good enough today.

Even the twinned section of 11/17 east of Thunder Bay is still 90, which is especially ridiculous.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2023, 08:24:57 PM
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AsphaltPlanet

Southerly view over the 404 from the Elgin Mills Road overpass in Richmond Hill.  This is from October, right after the lifted the temporary concrete median barriers and started painting the lane markings for the new HOV lanes.

The skyline has really grown:

http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/ON/hwy_404-406_images/404_cl_33_south_SB_Oct22_42x28.jpg
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AsphaltPlanet

#1531
Signage on Highway 417 for the ramp to Ottawa Road 174 East:


http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/ON/hwy_410-427_images/417_dv_113_west_Jan24_42x28.jpg
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doglover44

Is there a good site that has Ontario maps ?

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Great Lakes Roads

More sections of the 400-series highways will get a speed limit bump up to 110 km/h.

The full list of areas where speed limits are set to increase is set out below:

Highway 401:

At Tilbury, extending the existing 110 km/h zone further east by 7 km
From Hwy 35/115 to Cobourg (approximately 35 km)
From Colborne to Belleville (approximately 44 km)
From Belleville to Kingston (approximately 66 km)
From Hwy 16 to the Quebec boundary (approximately 107 km)

Highway 403:
From Woodstock to Brantford (approximately 26 km)
From Brantford to Hamilton (approximately 14.5 km)

Highway 406 from Thorold to Welland (approximately 13 km)
Highway 416 from Hwy 401 to Ottawa (approximately 70 km)
Highway 69 from Sudbury to French River (approximately 60 km)
-Jay Seaburg

Chris

A map showing the 110 km/h sections.


rickmastfan67

Quote from: Chris on April 25, 2024, 02:53:08 PMA map showing the 110 km/h sections.



Interesting that they're giving 110 to the 406.  That's honestly a shock to me.  Assuming that's between Exits 11 & East Main St roundabout?

vdeane

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 26, 2024, 10:17:06 AM
Quote from: Chris on April 25, 2024, 02:53:08 PMA map showing the 110 km/h sections.



Interesting that they're giving 110 to the 406.  That's honestly a shock to me.  Assuming that's between Exits 11 & East Main St roundabout?
Meanwhile, I find it curious that the Kingston-ON 16 section of ON 401 was omitted.  That, 401 west of Toronto, most of the rest of 400, and 407 strike me as the major "missing links" for 110 kph.

Now if only Québec would get on board...
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LilianaUwU

Quote from: vdeane on April 26, 2024, 12:55:01 PMNow if only Québec would get on board...
That's what I've been saying, but that's probably never gonna happen.
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andrepoiy

#1541
Quote from: vdeane on April 26, 2024, 12:55:01 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 26, 2024, 10:17:06 AM
Quote from: Chris on April 25, 2024, 02:53:08 PMA map showing the 110 km/h sections.

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Interesting that they're giving 110 to the 406.  That's honestly a shock to me.  Assuming that's between Exits 11 & East Main St roundabout?
Meanwhile, I find it curious that the Kingston-ON 16 section of ON 401 was omitted.  That, 401 west of Toronto, most of the rest of 400, and 407 strike me as the major "missing links" for 110 kph.

Now if only Québec would get on board...

I do have some theories for why:

THe Kingston-ON 16 section goes through the Canadian Shield and thus has relatively more curves than the section east of ON-16, so maybe that's why

West of Toronto, the section between London and Mississauga is probably because of its high AADT - it's always busy between that stretch.

West of London to Tilbury, that section is probably omitted due to the relatively narrow median between the carriageways. The narrow median has always posed a problem with vehicles colliding head-on, and it is the reason why the government has been widening the Windsor-London section of the 401 to 6 lanes despite it having a lower AADT than the 401 between Toronto to the Quebec border.

As for the 407, I feel like they omitted any urban section of freeway.

LilianaUwU

Quote from: andrepoiy on April 26, 2024, 11:20:59 PMTHe Kingston-ON 16 section goes through the Canadian Shield and thus has relatively more curves than the section east of ON-16, so maybe that's why
Also, I've noticed there's a lot of original overpasses that result in the shoulder being cut.
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cbeach40

Quote from: vdeane on April 26, 2024, 12:55:01 PMMeanwhile, I find it curious that the Kingston-ON 16 section of ON 401 was omitted.  That, 401 west of Toronto, most of the rest of 400, and 407 strike me as the major "missing links" for 110 kph.

Now if only Québec would get on board...

This is just the next phase, some of them are dependent on reconstruction to a better design - e.g., the extension of the 110 east of Tilbury coincided with the widening and upgraded median. The balance of the 401 west of London I wouldn't expect to see upped until it's widened with a concrete barrier as well.

The 400 I'd also put down as unlikely pending massive reconstruction. the original Toronto-Barrie section was built with a 50 mph design speed initially and they've been having to work off and retrofit that geometry since. 407 is highly doubtful as well, by virtue of its P3 construction the margins in the geometry are razor thin. For the provincially-operated portion it could happen if the deficiencies to get it over the hump are minor. For the privately-operated section, again there's deficiencies as well that you'd have to see if 407ETR are willing to pony up to correct them. Plus legally then you're opening up the Highway 407 Act and the lease agreement.

So it's not impossible to see it happen before 2098, but there's a lot of baggage to go with that one.
and waterrrrrrr!

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webny99

#1545
The 401 WB has been closed for 4+ hours between exits 509 and 497 (near Brighton, about 150 km east of Toronto) due to an accident. That's bad enough any time, but even worse on a Sunday evening with all the weekend and cottage traffic heading back towards Toronto. As we approach 10 PM EDT, traffic is backed up for nearly 7 miles and Google Maps estimates a 2 hour 27 minute delay just to get off the 401... not to mention over 12km on local roads that will no doubt be congested as well.

To make matters worse, 511 Ontario has reported the closure but provided no insight on what happened or an ETA for reopening. There's also zero news reporting or information to be found online, which is highly unusual for such a high profile closure, especially this length of time after the initial closure occurred.

I feel for anyone who might be stuck in that mess... I know if that happened in the States, traffic would be using the Emergency U-turns to head back east to the previous exit and get off onto local roads, but I don't recall those U-turns being as reliably prevalent on the 401 as they would be on a 2di here. Anyone stuck now and unable to take an emergency exit is likely looking at at least 2-3 AM for a return to Toronto... and even if things do clear up, the massive wave of traffic will just cause more of the usual congestion east of Cobourg and east of the 412.

webny99

Here is a news article on the motorcycle accident that caused the 401 closure on Sunday evening:

https://www.kawartha411.ca/2024/06/17/opp-investigating-serious-motorcycle-crash-on-highway-401-in-brighton/

andrepoiy

Drove by Highway 412 and 418 today, and I noticed that the signs have now been converted to green ones.



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Hwy 401 looking westerly from the Highway 30 overpass near Brighton, shot a few weeks ago in June:

http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/ON/hwy_401_images/401_cl_509_west_WB_Jun24_42x28.jpg
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