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Started by ftballfan, October 19, 2011, 10:27:40 PM

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hbelkins

Eastbound I-676 in Philadelphia. You have to go through a couple of traffic lights on a surface street for a block.


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cpzilliacus

Quote from: PennDOTFan on October 20, 2011, 09:03:12 PM
If it counts, the Garden State Parkway in Cape May Court House (exits 9-11) acts sort of like a boulevard. Exits 9-11 are at-grade with traffic signals.

Doesn't the New Jersey Turnpike Authority have a plan to reconstruct those at-grade intersections along the Garden State Parkway into grade-separated interchanges?

Apparently work may start in 2012, according to NJ.COMGarden State Parkway traffic light removal project in Cape May delayed until next year
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TheStranger

Would Interstate 78 between Route 139 in Jersey City and the Holland Tunnel fit this? 

Another one that just came to mind: Emerson Street/Alt US 1 in Jacksonville, which is a short 3/4 mile gap between the Hart Bridge Expressway and I-95 (otherwise, Alt US 1 is a full freeway loop through downtown Jacksonville).

Chris Sampang

Michael in Philly

#53
^^"78" in Jersey City would, which is why I mentioned it.  :-)
(I don't know what was wrong with 78 ending where the Turnpike Extension does and the tunnel being part of "Business U.S. 1-9.")
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TheStranger

In Miami, there's the 2.6 mile gap between the Gratigny Parkway and I-95 along Florida State Road 924 - which on its west end at SR 826 becomes I-75 north.
Chris Sampang

pianocello

Quote from: sandwalk on October 25, 2011, 04:52:29 PM
Beaverdam, Ohio

The (almost) junction of I-75 and US-30

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Similarly, there's the interchange between US-63 and I-70 in Columbia, MO where MODOT didn't have room to put in a full freeway-freeway interchange when they upgraded US-63.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=columbia+mo&ll=38.960443,-92.291379&spn=0.013498,0.027466&hnear=Columbia,+Boone,+Missouri&gl=us&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=6
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TheStranger

A couple I noticed just looking around Google Maps...

- In Greensboro, NC...two involve Wendover Drive (a freeway between Spring Garden Street and US 220).  On the west end, there's a 1.7 mile gap between I-40/US 421 and the start of the freeway segment...

http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Wendover+Ave+W+E&daddr=Wendover+Ave+W+E&hl=en&ll=36.071025,-79.856272&spn=0.055431,0.079393&sll=36.058866,-79.866636&sspn=0.01386,0.019848&geocode=FXYvJgIdiPk8-w%3BFfpBJgIdxGw9-w&vpsrc=6&mra=dme&mrsp=1&sz=16&t=m&z=14

and at Benjamin Parkway, there's a gap of 3/4 mile between the end of the Joseph M. Bryan Boulevard freeway and the cloverleaf with Wendover:
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Benjamin+Pkwy&daddr=Benjamin+Pkwy&hl=en&ll=36.092147,-79.822841&spn=0.027708,0.039697&sll=36.087743,-79.823742&sspn=0.05542,0.079393&geocode=FWvRJgIdHNg9-w%3BFRGwJgIdfe49-w&vpsrc=6&mra=dme&mrsp=1&sz=14&t=k&z=15

- In Gallatin, Tennessee, a one mile gap exists along TN 386 between the end of the freeway segment at Long Hollow Pike/TN 174 and the TN 109 freeway:
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=TN-174+E%2FTN-386+N%2FLong+Hollow+Pike&daddr=Long+Hollow+Pike&hl=en&sll=36.386396,-86.482143&sspn=0.055208,0.079393&geocode=FZQ0KwIdvTvY-g%3BFdM7KwIdf3vY-g&vpsrc=0&mra=dme&mrsp=1&sz=14&t=m&z=14

- A couple of California examples come to mind.  First off is the south end of the Glendale Freeway which is 1.2 miles away from US 101/Hollywood Freeway, a gap that exists due to the cancellation of the Beverly Hills Freeway project:
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Glendale+Blvd&daddr=N+Alvarado+St&hl=en&ll=34.075697,-118.262844&spn=0.056804,0.079393&sll=34.074488,-118.262072&sspn=0.056804,0.079393&geocode=FRQoCAIdaoHz-A%3BFXjnBwId-mTz-A&vpsrc=6&mra=dme&mrsp=1&sz=14&t=m&z=14

- Something a little more artificial than that: when I-15 was rerouted off of the US 395 freeway at Miramar in San Diego in the mid-1980s, the old alignment was retained as freeway, but became city-maintained Kearny Villa Road.  On the north end, it requires a half mile of surface street travel to get from I-15 to the older freeway:
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Kearny+Villa+Rd&daddr=Miramar+Rd&hl=en&sll=32.892381,-117.120287&sspn=0.014396,0.019848&geocode=FVHb9QEd6PAE-Q%3BFQbq9QEd-e0E-Q&vpsrc=0&mra=dme&mrsp=1&sz=16&t=m&z=16

At the south end, drivers continuing southbound from Kearny Villa to Route 163 (also old US 395) do not have to stop, but those coming north from downtown San Diego have to stop at a light:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Harris+Plant+Road,+San+Diego&hl=en&ll=32.857563,-117.119708&spn=0.014402,0.019848&sll=32.857906,-117.121103&sspn=0.014402,0.019848&vpsrc=6&hnear=Harris+Plant+Rd,+San+Diego,+California+92126&t=k&z=16
Chris Sampang

flowmotion

#58
In San Francisco, the I-280 Fifth Sixth Street exit drops cars off two blocks from the I-80 Bay Bridge entrance. It's a popular alternative route which is frequently congested.

http://g.co/maps/9ynzz


TheStranger

Quote from: flowmotion on October 26, 2011, 04:09:49 PM
In San Francisco, the I-280 Fifth Street exit drops cars off two blocks from the I-80 Bay Bridge entrance. It's a popular alternative route which is frequently congested.

http://g.co/maps/9ynzz


I actually use that every once in a while!  This exists because the 280 segment along the waterfront from 3rd Street to where 480 originally first reached the Embarcadero was not constructed - a section that would have been three times the distance as the 6th Street to 5th Street route is!

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Another San Diego one, a quirk of geography - Mission Bay Drive near Sea World is a very short freeway, but there is one stoplight before getting to/from I-8:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Ollie+St,+San+Diego&hl=en&ll=32.76133,-117.231245&spn=0.028835,0.039697&sll=32.759111,-117.22867&sspn=0.013985,0.019848&vpsrc=6&hnear=Ollie+St,+San+Diego,+California&t=h&z=15
Chris Sampang

Alex

U.S. 321, between Interstate 85 and the freeway beginning at Gastonia. Turn off I-40 and deal with signals and at-grades until the freeway beginning.

http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=35.29948404332694~-81.18857552312754&lvl=14&dir=0&sty=h&where1=Gastonia%2C%20NC&form=LMLTCC

flowmotion

Quote from: pianocello on October 25, 2011, 08:43:28 PM
Similarly, there's the interchange between US-63 and I-70 in Columbia, MO where MODOT didn't have room to put in a full freeway-freeway interchange when they upgraded US-63.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=columbia+mo&ll=38.960443,-92.291379&spn=0.013498,0.027466&hnear=Columbia,+Boone,+Missouri&gl=us&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=6

Something like that near Denver (I-70/E-470): http://g.co/maps/zyeer

TheStranger

One I went through in Calgary in 1993 that is still there:  the Trans-Canada Highway (Route 1) at Alberta Route 2:

http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=16+Ave+NE%2FTrans-Canada+Hwy%2FAB-1+W&daddr=16+Ave+NE%2FTrans-Canada+Hwy%2FAB-1+W&hl=en&ll=51.065646,-114.020319&spn=0.014968,0.027595&sll=51.066495,-114.025447&sspn=0.007484,0.013797&geocode=FY44CwMdCUw0-Q%3BFbw5CwMdph80-Q&vpsrc=6&mra=pr&t=k&z=15

Basically, a freeway segment of TCH 1 ends about a half mile from Route 2, with the interchange with Route 2 being a variant of the "volleyball" diamond design, and one at-grade (19 Street NE) prior to the controlled-access portion.

With the opening of the Route 201 beltway, this also occurs at the east end of the TCH 1 freeway portion:
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=16+Ave+NE%2FTrans-Canada+Hwy%2FAB-1+W&daddr=16+Ave+NE%2FTrans-Canada+Hwy%2FAB-1+W&hl=en&ll=51.067021,-113.934338&spn=0.007484,0.013797&sll=51.066374,-113.932214&sspn=0.014968,0.027595&geocode=FYU4CwMdVpE1-Q%3BFfk4CwMdrHM1-Q&vpsrc=6&mra=pr&t=k&z=16

One at-grade a half-kilometer west of Route 201, before the westbound start of the freeway.
Chris Sampang

Beltway

Quote from: Takumi on October 22, 2011, 08:53:21 PM
VA 150 in Richmond has a segment between the Forest Hill and VA 147 exits with at-grade intersections and a couple signals.

That section is an expressway, meaning limited access with at-grade intersections.  The rest of VA-150 Chippenham Parkway is a freeway.

VA-150 becomes Parham Road in Henrico County, and there are no plans to make that a freeway.

The expressway section of VA-150 was a 4-lane upgrade of a 2-lane segment of VA-150, built on 6-lane right-of-way.  It functions well enough that it is not worth taking out about 25 homes to upgrade the segment to a full freeway with at least one new interchange.  Any future traffic needs can be addressed by widening to 6 lanes.

VA-150 Chippenham Parkway was built between I-95 and Huguenot Road by the late 1960s mostly as a 2-lane limited access highway with at-grade intersections.  Upgrade projects to a 4-lane freeway between Forest Hill Avenue and I-95 occured between 1970 and 1982.

The 4.4-mile-long 4-lane limited access VA-150 Parham-Chippenham Connector between 1/2 mile south of Forest Hill Avenue in the City of Richmond and 1/2 mile north of River Road in Henrico County, was completed in 1990 as the 4-lane limited access VA-150 Chippenham Parkway Extension, which includes the Edmund E. Willey Bridge over the James River.
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TheStranger

On Los Angeles's Terminal Island, the Terminal Island Freeway ends at the junction with I-710/Long Beach Freeway and the Seaside Freeway, with Route 47 northbound having to use a stoplight to continue on from the EB Seaside to the NB Terminal Island Freeway.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Terminal+Island,+Los+Angeles,+CA&hl=en&ll=33.760498,-118.238833&spn=0.007162,0.009817&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=54.928982,80.419922&vpsrc=6&hnear=Terminal+Island&t=k&z=17

Chris Sampang

TheStranger

Route 90 (Imperial Highway/Yorba Linda Freeway) runs as freeway for about 2.5 miles from Yorba Linda Boulevard southeast to Orangethorpe Avenue, but encounters one intersection (East La Palma Avenue) before reaching the Riverside Freeway/Route 91...where there are stoplights at that interchange as well:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=E+La+Palma+Ave+%26+Imperial+Hwy&hl=en&ll=33.857872,-117.791355&spn=0.013275,0.019355&sll=33.856197,-117.790861&sspn=0.013275,0.019355&vpsrc=6&hnear=E+La+Palma+Ave+%26+N+Imperial+Hwy,+Anaheim,+Orange,+California+92807&t=h&z=16
Chris Sampang

vtk

Like recent posts:

The west end of the Frank-Refugee Expressway (freeway part of OH 104) comes to traffic lights at the ramps to/from I-71.  The east end of that same freeway has a traffic light at the interchange with US 33, which is a freeway there.  Just north of that interchange, US 33 has a traffic light just before reaching I-70.
Wait, it's all Ohio? Always has been.

TheStranger

- US 176 is freeway from SC 56 to US 221 in Spartanburg - a stretch that basically covers all of I-585 - save for the junction with I-85!
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Spartanburg,+SC&hl=en&ll=34.995973,-81.988091&spn=0.01343,0.021565&sll=37.801621,-122.283078&sspn=0.006477,0.010782&vpsrc=6&hnear=Spartanburg,+South+Carolina&t=k&z=16

- Although Business US 71 is entirely freeway from MO 249 to Carthage, its junction with its parent (US 71) is a mere diamond:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Carthage,+MO&hl=en&ll=37.176321,-94.348311&spn=0.026124,0.04313&sll=34.995973,-81.988091&sspn=0.01343,0.021565&vpsrc=6&hnear=Carthage,+Jasper,+Missouri&t=m&z=15

- The junction of Ellington Parkway/US 31E with US 31W and I-24 in Nashville is almost a fully access-controlled junction, except for one at-grade to enable access from I-24 west to US 431/US 31W north (and US 31W south to US 31) -
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Nashville&hl=en&ll=36.176076,-86.769376&spn=0.013302,0.021565&sll=33.937735,-118.387384&sspn=0.052695,0.08626&vpsrc=6&hnear=Nashville,+Davidson,+Tennessee&t=h&z=16
Chris Sampang

The High Plains Traveler

Hennepin County built two freeways (County 18 and 62) west and south of Minneapolis in the 1960s through the 1980s. They did not want to finance full interchanges with I-494 on those highways' south and west ends respectively, so the freeways ended adjacent to signalized diamond interchanges. About 1988, the state took these county highways over (now U.S. 169 and MN-62). MnDOT upgraded the U.S. 169/I-494 interchange about 15 years ago by adding loops but maintained traffic signals at the ramps; now it is building a full freeway/freeway interchange except for two movements (S to W and E to N) that were deemed to be lowest priority, omitted for cost reduction. The I-494/62 interchange is still a diamond.
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surferdude

I think the new Pittsurgh airport was opened in 1992, when it the orginal airport it had 4 lanes and traffic signals galore, then  it was Business PA 60, it went from 55 mph to 35 mph.
Sad to say that one of the main functions of the interstates is to connect a major airport with a 4 lane highway.  that did not happen until 2009.  Today it called I-376.

Revive 755

Quote from: pianocello on October 25, 2011, 08:43:28 PM
Similarly, there's the interchange between US-63 and I-70 in Columbia, MO where MODOT didn't have room to put in a full freeway-freeway interchange when they upgraded US-63.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=columbia+mo&ll=38.960443,-92.291379&spn=0.013498,0.027466&hnear=Columbia,+Boone,+Missouri&gl=us&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=6

Didn't have room or didn't bother?  I thought many of the I-70 rebuild alternates looked at at least putting in a cloverstack.

hbelkins

There are a number of places where there are no full freeway-to-freeway connections. I-81 at I-88 in New York, I-64 at I-70 and I-55 in Missouri, I-271 at I-71 in Ohio, and plenty more. Should they all be fixed?


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Mergingtraffic

no freeway connection from I-271 to it's parent?  wow
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vtk

Quote from: doofy103 on November 20, 2011, 03:19:55 PM
no freeway connection from I-271 to it's parent?  wow

No full freeway connection – or rather, no full interchange.  71 NB to 271 NB and 271 SB to 71 SB are full-freeway ramps, but there are no ramps from SB 71 to NB 271 or SB 271 to NB 71.  What I find odd at that interchange is the SB 271 "ramp" to 71 SB is signed as an exit, even though there are no other choices whatsoever.

Funny we're discussing this today, as I just drove through there last night...
Wait, it's all Ohio? Always has been.

hbelkins

In that same area, there is no direct connection from I-271 north to I-77 south, is there?


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