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Title: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: hbelkins on February 24, 2021, 04:39:42 PM
Lots have bands have changed lead singers over the years. Sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worst. Sometimes a singer that was great in one band bombs in another one.

Deep Purple: Ian Gillan was the best of all of them. He's come and gone so many times, I have no clue who fronts them now.

Iron Maiden: Paul Di'Anno was good, but the human air raid siren (Bruce Dickenson) took them to another level.

Van Halen: Probably the most-discussed of all of them. I preferred Roth. I liked Hagar's solo work and his work in Montrose, but he just didn't do it for me in Van Halen. And Cherone just didn't cut it at all.

Foreigner: Kelly Hansen was good in Hurricane but meh in Foreigner.

Black Sabbath: Ozzy FTW. Dio was great in Rainbow and as a solo performer. And Gillan turned in a decent effort with them. I don't even know who the lead singer is now.

Rainbow: Not sure the singer made much difference. Dio was good, so was Graham Bonnett for his one album, Joe Lynn Turner was good as well.

Molly Hatchet: Jimmy Farrar was no Danny Joe Brown.

Chicago: Bill Champlin's voice was like the proverbial fingernails on a chalkboard to me. They've never been able to duplicate Terry Kath's voice. Closest thing I've heard is the trumpet player, Lee Loughnane, who sang "Song of the Evergreens" on their seventh album and for years I thought it was Kath. Jason Scheff was a suitable replacement for Peter Cetera.

Judas Priest: Rob Halford made that band.

AC/DC: I still prefer Bon Scott over Brian Johnson.

Bad Company: Paul Rodgers was the man. The late 80s incarnation of the group was OK, but not quite the same.

Queen: The aforementioned Rodgers performed with them for awhile. They seem to have settled on Adam Lambert now. But Freddie Mercury was unique.

Sensing a pattern here? For the most part, I prefer the original singers (Purple and Maiden being notable exceptions.)
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: Rothman on February 24, 2021, 04:46:25 PM
Those bands are older than dirt.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: kphoger on February 24, 2021, 05:04:35 PM
What about the various iterations of 10,000 Maniacs?
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 24, 2021, 05:13:20 PM
I didn't even know Queen was still active after Freddie Mercury died. 
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: hotdogPi on February 24, 2021, 05:16:45 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 24, 2021, 05:04:35 PM
What about the various iterations of 10,000 Maniacs?

Without ever having heard the band name before, I thought this was an online group of 10,000 people (or at least over 100) whose members obviously keep changing because people can easily join and leave without it affecting the band at all.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: kphoger on February 24, 2021, 05:49:18 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 24, 2021, 05:16:45 PM

Quote from: kphoger on February 24, 2021, 05:04:35 PM
What about the various iterations of 10,000 Maniacs?

Without ever having heard the band name before, I thought this was an online group of 10,000 people (or at least over 100) whose members obviously keep changing because people can easily join and leave without it affecting the band at all.

What!  How could you not have heard of them, when they're on hobsini2's playlist (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=28452.msg2570073#msg2570073)?   :-D
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: 1995hoo on February 24, 2021, 06:31:45 PM
Boston. No other vocalist they've had can compare to Brad Delp.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: Takumi on February 24, 2021, 08:19:44 PM
Agree with HB on Van Halen. For me, the Roth era had a sense of humor that Van Hagar didn't.

INXS. Nobody could fill Michael Hutchence's shoes.

Genesis. I prefer Phil.

Not sure if Joy Division/New Order counts since they changed the band's name after Ian Curtis' suicide.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: Mapmikey on February 24, 2021, 08:40:04 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 24, 2021, 05:16:45 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 24, 2021, 05:04:35 PM
What about the various iterations of 10,000 Maniacs?

Without ever having heard the band name before, I thought this was an online group of 10,000 people (or at least over 100) whose members obviously keep changing because people can easily join and leave without it affecting the band at all.

You're thinking of Menudo
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: jp the roadgeek on February 24, 2021, 09:03:59 PM
How about Todd Rundgren when he headlined with members of The Cars billed as The New Cars in comparison to Orr and Ocasek?

Journey: Neil Schon vs Steve Perry vs whoever they've had since then (give me Perry)

Yes: Jon Anderson vs Trevor Horn vs Jon Davison (nobody compares to Anderson)





Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: andrepoiy on February 24, 2021, 09:17:04 PM
What a band that changed all of its personnel except for the vocalist?
(Guns N' Roses).

I think that their 2008 album (where all the personnel changes took place) called Chinese Democracy, is the best album.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: jp the roadgeek on February 24, 2021, 09:38:03 PM
Quote from: andrepoiy on February 24, 2021, 09:17:04 PM
What a band that changed all of its personnel except for the vocalist?
(Guns N' Roses).

I think that their 2008 album (where all the personnel changes took place) called Chinese Democracy, is the best album.

And then you have the rotating chair that was the keyboardist position for the Grateful Dead: Ron "Pigpen" McKernan, Tom Constanten, Keith Godchaux, Brent Mydland, Vince Welnick, and part-timers Bruce Hornsby and Ned Lagin.  So many different styles to choose from.  Pigpen hard blues, Godchaux classical/jazz, Mydland more straight up rock, Welnick more new wave from his stint with The Tubes.  All had a unique sound. However, the seat had a curse on it, as all the full timers except Constanten (who was only with the band for a year and is still with us) succumbed to an early death. 
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: GCrites on February 24, 2021, 09:42:45 PM
Everyone should at least give Tony Martin-fronted Black Sabbath a chance. No, Geezer wasn't writing the songs so the mind-expanding stuff isn't there but man did he have a set of pipes. I suggest starting with the Headless Cross album. On a technical basis he was the best for sure. Or watch a live show. I still like the Ozzy stuff the best with Dio number two but each Mk. of Black Sabbath has its charms even if the Tony Martin-era songs are the least memorable.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: GCrites on February 24, 2021, 10:00:18 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 24, 2021, 04:46:25 PM
Those bands are older than dirt.

'Cause in bands that started after about 1995 if the singer left the band the band quit or became irrelevant. Members either start a supergroup or make it a different project. One exception is maybe Blink 182. You don't have the "singer for hire" economy of Hagar, Joe Lynn Turner, Dio, and Glenn Hughes. Big acts are so poppy and singer-oriented today (or a tight-knit group of people that go back to like, 5th grade, family members even) that bringing in an outside singer messes up the whole thing. And if singer-for-hire does happen they're 20-30 years younger than the rest of the band. Like how Diamond Head is Brian Tatler and a bunch of 35-year-olds.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on February 24, 2021, 10:06:07 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on February 24, 2021, 09:03:59 PM
Yes: Jon Anderson vs Trevor Horn vs Jon Davison (nobody compares to Anderson)

Benoit David also had a cup of coffee with the band as the second Jon replacement, performing lead on 2011's Fly From Here. He was probably my favorite of the three Anderson replacements, and by all accounts was just as unceremoniously ditched like Anderson was after his own long term illness.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: STLmapboy on February 24, 2021, 11:40:10 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 24, 2021, 05:49:18 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 24, 2021, 05:16:45 PM

Quote from: kphoger on February 24, 2021, 05:04:35 PM
What about the various iterations of 10,000 Maniacs?

Without ever having heard the band name before, I thought this was an online group of 10,000 people (or at least over 100) whose members obviously keep changing because people can easily join and leave without it affecting the band at all.

What!  How could you not have heard of them, when they're on hobsini2's playlist (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=28452.msg2570073#msg2570073)?   :-D
"List every song you know off the top of your head."
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: dlsterner on February 24, 2021, 11:52:52 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 24, 2021, 05:04:35 PM
What about the various iterations of 10,000 Maniacs?

A band that I have always liked!  I was concerned when Natalie Merchant announced that she was leaving, but they seemed to do all right when going with Mary Ramsey.  It probably helped that Mary didn't come from outside, but was "promoted" from within, from strings & backing vocals to lead vocal, so there was some continuity there.

I have albums (does anybody use that term anymore) from both the Merchant and the Ramsey eras, and both sound pleasing to me.  I think (personally) I would give the slight edge to Natalie.

Oskar Saville also had a turn as lead vocalist, although I'm not familiar with her work with the band.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: texaskdog on February 25, 2021, 12:01:28 AM
Quote from: 1 on February 24, 2021, 05:16:45 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 24, 2021, 05:04:35 PM
What about the various iterations of 10,000 Maniacs?

Without ever having heard the band name before, I thought this was an online group of 10,000 people (or at least over 100) whose members obviously keep changing because people can easily join and leave without it affecting the band at all.

Natalie Merchant was my least favorite member of the band.  Didn't care for her solo stuff at all.  Their early stuff was great but suffered without John Lombardo.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: texaskdog on February 25, 2021, 12:02:48 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 24, 2021, 10:06:07 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on February 24, 2021, 09:03:59 PM
Yes: Jon Anderson vs Trevor Horn vs Jon Davison (nobody compares to Anderson)

Benoit David also had a cup of coffee with the band as the second Jon replacement, performing lead on 2011’s Fly From Here. He was probably my favorite of the three Anderson replacements, and by all accounts was just as unceremoniously ditched like Anderson was after his own long term illness.

I actually liked Trevor Horn.  They just didn't give him a chance.  funny how they split up and over time the band evolved 100% back into the Drama band (Howe, White, Squire, Downes, and then Trevor Horn did return trip)
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: texaskdog on February 25, 2021, 12:03:43 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on February 24, 2021, 09:38:03 PM
Quote from: andrepoiy on February 24, 2021, 09:17:04 PM
What a band that changed all of its personnel except for the vocalist?
(Guns N' Roses).

I think that their 2008 album (where all the personnel changes took place) called Chinese Democracy, is the best album.

And then you have the rotating chair that was the keyboardist position for the Grateful Dead: Ron "Pigpen" McKernan, Tom Constanten, Keith Godchaux, Brent Mydland, Vince Welnick, and part-timers Bruce Hornsby and Ned Lagin.  So many different styles to choose from.  Pigpen hard blues, Godchaux classical/jazz, Mydland more straight up rock, Welnick more new wave from his stint with The Tubes.  All had a unique sound. However, the seat had a curse on it, as all the full timers except Constanten (who was only with the band for a year and is still with us) succumbed to an early death. 

where did the Spinal Tap drummer idea come from?  So many bands seem to have that rotating position they can't keep filled.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on February 25, 2021, 12:42:01 AM
Chester Bennington fronted both Linkin Park and Stone Temple Pilots for a time after Scott Weiland was kicked out of STP. Eventually it got to be too much and he left STP, I'm not sure if Chester did an album with them or not. Of course, both of those guys are tragically gone now.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: SectorZ on February 25, 2021, 07:36:04 AM
Quote from: GCrites80s on February 24, 2021, 09:42:45 PM
Everyone should at least give Tony Martin-fronted Black Sabbath a chance. No, Geezer wasn't writing the songs so the mind-expanding stuff isn't there but man did he have a set of pipes. I suggest starting with the Headless Cross album. On a technical basis he was the best for sure. Or watch a live show. I still like the Ozzy stuff the best with Dio number two but each Mk. of Black Sabbath has its charms even if the Tony Martin-era songs are the least memorable.

Agreed. The Tony Martin era is still outstanding. It's a different type of Black Sabbath, but they probably would have sounded much different if Ozzy was with them in the late 80's, early 90's as well.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: Takumi on February 25, 2021, 08:21:12 AM
Remember when Axl Rose was the lead singer for AC/DC for about a month?
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: hbelkins on February 25, 2021, 10:46:27 AM
I'd forgotten Genesis. The style of music changed, but I always thought Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins weren't all that different vocally. It wasn't the drastic change that you got when Hagar replaced Roth in Van Halen.

Here's another one I forgot. Rush. 1970s Geddy Lee vs. 2000s Geddy Lee.  :-D The way "2112" was tuned down as early as the "Different Stages" live set showed just how much his voice had changed. Somewhere on YouTube there's a clip of various live versions of "Tom Sawyer" that purports to demonstrate his vocal changes, but to me it's not that noticeable on that song.

I'm amazed at how little Paul Stanley's range has deteriorated. He doesn't sound a great deal different now than he did when Kiss was filling arenas.

Quote from: texaskdog on February 25, 2021, 12:03:43 AM
where did the Spinal Tap drummer idea come from?  So many bands seem to have that rotating position they can't keep filled.

I think that "spontaneously combusting drummer" thing was just supposed to be a joke within the joke.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: andrepoiy on February 25, 2021, 01:07:50 PM
Quote from: Takumi on February 25, 2021, 08:21:12 AM
Remember when Axl Rose was the lead singer for AC/DC for about a month?

That was great, although he wasn't an official member
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: jander on February 25, 2021, 11:12:38 PM
Edsel Dope fronted Static-X on a tour. I actually wish I had seen that.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: roadman65 on February 25, 2021, 11:24:40 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 25, 2021, 10:46:27 AM
I'd forgotten Genesis. The style of music changed, but I always thought Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins weren't all that different vocally. It wasn't the drastic change that you got when Hagar replaced Roth in Van Halen.

Here's another one I forgot. Rush. 1970s Geddy Lee vs. 2000s Geddy Lee.  :-D The way "2112" was tuned down as early as the "Different Stages" live set showed just how much his voice had changed. Somewhere on YouTube there's a clip of various live versions of "Tom Sawyer" that purports to demonstrate his vocal changes, but to me it's not that noticeable on that song.

I'm amazed at how little Paul Stanley's range has deteriorated. He doesn't sound a great deal different now than he did when Kiss was filling arenas.

Quote from: texaskdog on February 25, 2021, 12:03:43 AM
where did the Spinal Tap drummer idea come from?  So many bands seem to have that rotating position they can't keep filled.

I think that "spontaneously combusting drummer" thing was just supposed to be a joke within the joke.

No Van Roth was not the same band as Van Hagar, but I personally liked em both. Too bad nobody gave Hagar a chance, being many were thinking he tried to take over ole Dave's job and missed him.

I thought that in Bad Company, the replacement on Holy Water did a good job for being a replacement.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: zachary_amaryllis on February 25, 2021, 11:26:21 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 25, 2021, 11:24:40 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 25, 2021, 10:46:27 AM
I'd forgotten Genesis. The style of music changed, but I always thought Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins weren't all that different vocally. It wasn't the drastic change that you got when Hagar replaced Roth in Van Halen.

Here's another one I forgot. Rush. 1970s Geddy Lee vs. 2000s Geddy Lee.  :-D The way "2112" was tuned down as early as the "Different Stages" live set showed just how much his voice had changed. Somewhere on YouTube there's a clip of various live versions of "Tom Sawyer" that purports to demonstrate his vocal changes, but to me it's not that noticeable on that song.

I'm amazed at how little Paul Stanley's range has deteriorated. He doesn't sound a great deal different now than he did when Kiss was filling arenas.

Quote from: texaskdog on February 25, 2021, 12:03:43 AM
where did the Spinal Tap drummer idea come from?  So many bands seem to have that rotating position they can't keep filled.

I think that "spontaneously combusting drummer" thing was just supposed to be a joke within the joke.

No Van Roth was not the same band as Van Hagar, but I personally liked em both. Too bad nobody gave Hagar a chance, being many were thinking he tried to take over ole Dave's job and missed him.

I thought that in Bad Company, the replacement on Holy Water did a good job for being a replacement.

van roth was more fun, but i liked van hagar better ... like i thought his voice went better with vh's style.

*prepares to duck flying objects*
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: roadman65 on February 25, 2021, 11:36:55 PM
The Doobies are one that went from Rock to Jazz when Michael MacDonald replaced Tom Johnston.  They crafted a new sound after Taking it to the Streets ( which was their last rock album) as MacDonald and his keyboards changed the guitar sounds of the first four albums.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: jmd41280 on February 26, 2021, 10:58:33 PM
Quote from: GCrites80s on February 24, 2021, 09:42:45 PM
Everyone should at least give Tony Martin-fronted Black Sabbath a chance. No, Geezer wasn't writing the songs so the mind-expanding stuff isn't there but man did he have a set of pipes. I suggest starting with the Headless Cross album. On a technical basis he was the best for sure. Or watch a live show. I still like the Ozzy stuff the best with Dio number two but each Mk. of Black Sabbath has its charms even if the Tony Martin-era songs are the least memorable.

Call of the Wild from that album is actually one of my favorite Sabbath songs. Unfortunately, I've never been able to find it on iTunes/Apple Music.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: jmd41280 on February 26, 2021, 11:12:22 PM
An interesting case would be Queensryche. In his heyday, Geoff Tate was one of the most powerful metal vocalists around. Unfortunately, his voice started to decline from the late '90s onward. They had to downtune to accommodate the changes, and the music reflected that. When Geoff got fired after an on-stage altercation w/ his bandmates in 2012, Todd La Torre took over and has been a very good replacement. He has been able to hit all the notes that Geoff did in his prime and their 3 albums from the La Torre-era have a much more dynamic sound than the later Tate-era albums did. Todd seems to have brought a spark back to that band.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: DandyDan on February 28, 2021, 04:39:22 AM
Then there's Alice In Chains. I have seen them twice with William Duvall and think he's just as good as Layne Staley ever was. That doesn't count the songs Jerry Cantrell sings.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: jmd41280 on February 28, 2021, 08:30:22 AM
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on February 25, 2021, 11:26:21 PM
van roth was more fun, but i liked van hagar better ... like i thought his voice went better with vh's style.

*prepares to duck flying objects*

We are all forgetting about the true voice of VH...Gary Cherone  :cool:
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: dlsterner on February 28, 2021, 06:05:04 PM
Quote from: jmd41280 on February 28, 2021, 08:30:22 AM
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on February 25, 2021, 11:26:21 PM
van roth was more fun, but i liked van hagar better ... like i thought his voice went better with vh's style.

*prepares to duck flying objects*

We are all forgetting about the true voice of VH...Gary Cherone  :cool:

I always answer "Gary Cherone" when somebody asks me "Roth or Hagar?" - if for no other reason than to screw with their mind.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: GCrites on February 28, 2021, 06:39:06 PM
Quote from: DandyDan on February 28, 2021, 04:39:22 AM
Then there's Alice In Chains. I have seen them twice with William Duvall and think he's just as good as Layne Staley ever was. That doesn't count the songs Jerry Cantrell sings.

Great singer. AIC is different when you know that they're not junkies, though, considering what nearly every song of theirs from the '90s is about.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: roadman65 on March 04, 2021, 08:36:12 AM
One replacement for Steve Perry actually sounded like Perry.  And Jason Scheff of Chicago comes real close to Peter Cetera.


PS. Spell check tried to change the name Scheff.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: hbelkins on March 04, 2021, 09:28:24 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 04, 2021, 08:36:12 AM
One replacement for Steve Perry actually sounded like Perry.  And Jason Scheff of Chicago comes real close to Peter Cetera.


PS. Spell check tried to change the name Scheff.

There have been two subsequent replacements for Cetera. One was a bassist/singer whose name I can't recall offhand. He left, and the new singer doesn't play bass at all. He just comes out to the microphone and sings when it's time to do a song originally voiced by Cetera.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: Avalanchez71 on March 05, 2021, 07:59:57 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 04, 2021, 08:36:12 AM
One replacement for Steve Perry actually sounded like Perry.  And Jason Scheff of Chicago comes real close to Peter Cetera.


PS. Spell check tried to change the name Scheff.

Wasn't it a you tube singer that took over from the Philippians?
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: Life in Paradise on March 05, 2021, 01:10:22 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on March 05, 2021, 07:59:57 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 04, 2021, 08:36:12 AM
One replacement for Steve Perry actually sounded like Perry.  And Jason Scheff of Chicago comes real close to Peter Cetera.


PS. Spell check tried to change the name Scheff.

Wasn't it a you tube singer that took over from the Philippians?
Arnel Pineda was the lead singer for a Journey cover band, and has been with them for quite a few years now.  It is amazing how much he sounds like Steve Perry.  I saw them in concert a couple of years ago, and noted that Pineda would sing a song or two as the lead, then might pop back to get a drink of water, and they would sing a song with another lead (mostly Cain). 
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: dlsterner on March 05, 2021, 07:45:30 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on March 05, 2021, 01:10:22 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on March 05, 2021, 07:59:57 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 04, 2021, 08:36:12 AM
One replacement for Steve Perry actually sounded like Perry.  And Jason Scheff of Chicago comes real close to Peter Cetera.


PS. Spell check tried to change the name Scheff.

Wasn't it a you tube singer that took over from the Philippians?
Arnel Pineda was the lead singer for a Journey cover band, and has been with them for quite a few years now.  It is amazing how much he sounds like Steve Perry.  I saw them in concert a couple of years ago, and noted that Pineda would sing a song or two as the lead, then might pop back to get a drink of water, and they would sing a song with another lead (mostly Cain).

Brings up an interesting question - about bands who replaced their lead singer with somebody who was fronting a "cover" or a "tribute" band, as apparently was the case above with Arnel Pineda replacing Steve Perry in Journey.

One other example of this phenomena that I can think of was when Tim "Ripper" Owens briefly replaced Rob Halford as the front man for Judas Priest.  Owens had been singing for a JP tribute band.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: Roadrunner75 on March 10, 2021, 01:34:09 AM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on March 05, 2021, 01:10:22 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on March 05, 2021, 07:59:57 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 04, 2021, 08:36:12 AM
One replacement for Steve Perry actually sounded like Perry.  And Jason Scheff of Chicago comes real close to Peter Cetera.


PS. Spell check tried to change the name Scheff.

Wasn't it a you tube singer that took over from the Philippians?
Arnel Pineda was the lead singer for a Journey cover band, and has been with them for quite a few years now.  It is amazing how much he sounds like Steve Perry.  I saw them in concert a couple of years ago, and noted that Pineda would sing a song or two as the lead, then might pop back to get a drink of water, and they would sing a song with another lead (mostly Cain).
About 10-15 years or so ago we saw Journey with Def Leppard.  In the middle of Journey's set the lead singer disappeared and the other band members including the drummer each took a turn at the lead vocals for the remainder of the show.  I found out later the singer was having major problems with his voice and the others had to jump in to finish the show for him.  They did a great job.  This was the last or second to last show for the singer who had been with them for quite awhile.  But even he was way better than Joe Elliot of Def Leppard at that point.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: mgk920 on March 10, 2021, 03:10:14 AM
Quote from: Rothman on February 24, 2021, 04:46:25 PM
Those bands are older than dirt.

A few weeks ago I caught an unfamiliar AC/DC song ('Realize') on a local radio station and just now found out that it is a cut off of a *new* album set called 'PWR UP' that was released on 2020-11-13.  It sounds exactly like their stuff from the late 1970s and the 1980s.  Brian Johnson is now 73 years old and his voice and style have not changed at all.

:wow:

:cool:

Mike
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on March 10, 2021, 04:00:03 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on March 10, 2021, 03:10:14 AM
Quote from: Rothman on February 24, 2021, 04:46:25 PM
Those bands are older than dirt.

A few weeks ago I caught an unfamiliar AC/DC song ('Realize') on a local radio station and just now found out that it is a cut off of a *new* album set called 'PWR UP' that was released on 2020-11-13.  It sounds exactly like their stuff from the late 1970s and the 1980s.  Brian Johnson is now 73 years old and his voice and style have not changed at all.

:wow:

:cool:

Mike

I couldn't help but notice almost all the "best concert" thread entries (including mine) were people seeing past-prime classic rock acts in the last 15 years. Says a lot about today's live performances.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: Rothman on March 10, 2021, 06:12:53 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 10, 2021, 04:00:03 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on March 10, 2021, 03:10:14 AM
Quote from: Rothman on February 24, 2021, 04:46:25 PM
Those bands are older than dirt.

A few weeks ago I caught an unfamiliar AC/DC song ('Realize') on a local radio station and just now found out that it is a cut off of a *new* album set called 'PWR UP' that was released on 2020-11-13.  It sounds exactly like their stuff from the late 1970s and the 1980s.  Brian Johnson is now 73 years old and his voice and style have not changed at all.

:wow:

:cool:

Mike

I couldn't help but notice almost all the "best concert" thread entries (including mine) were people seeing past-prime classic rock acts in the last 15 years. Says a lot about today's live performances.
Nah.  Just the preference of the forum participants for bands older than dirt.  Plenty of other great acts out there that aren't Boomers.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: hbelkins on March 10, 2021, 07:15:49 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 10, 2021, 06:12:53 PM
Nah.  Just the preference of the forum participants for bands older than dirt.  Plenty of other great acts out there that aren't Boomers.
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Where are they? Where are today's versions of Metallica? Iron Maiden? 70s-era Chicago? Styx? Black Sabbath? Deep Purple? Heck, where are the new versions of obscure bands like Accept?

If someone can point me to a new act that's similar to bands like those, I will gladly download their albums off Usenet or leech them from YouTube buy their CDs.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: Rothman on March 10, 2021, 08:52:26 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 10, 2021, 07:15:49 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 10, 2021, 06:12:53 PM
Nah.  Just the preference of the forum participants for bands older than dirt.  Plenty of other great acts out there that aren't Boomers.

Where are they? Where are today's versions of Metallica? Iron Maiden? 70s-era Chicago? Styx? Black Sabbath? Deep Purple? Heck, where are the new versions of obscure bands like Accept?

If someone can point me to a new act that's similar to bands like those, I will gladly download their albums off Usenet or leech them from YouTube buy their CDs.
[/quote]Lady Gaga.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: kphoger on March 11, 2021, 09:29:45 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 10, 2021, 08:52:26 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on March 10, 2021, 07:15:49 PM

Quote from: Rothman on March 10, 2021, 06:12:53 PM
Nah.  Just the preference of the forum participants for bands older than dirt.  Plenty of other great acts out there that aren't Boomers.

Where are they? Where are today's versions of Metallica? Iron Maiden? 70s-era Chicago? Styx? Black Sabbath? Deep Purple? Heck, where are the new versions of obscure bands like Accept?

If someone can point me to a new act that's similar to bands like those, I will gladly download their albums off Usenet or leech them from YouTube buy their CDs.

Lady Gaga.

Removed the offending tag so people can make heads and tails of this quote string.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: Takumi on March 11, 2021, 10:20:54 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 10, 2021, 07:15:49 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 10, 2021, 06:12:53 PM
Nah.  Just the preference of the forum participants for bands older than dirt.  Plenty of other great acts out there that aren't Boomers.

Where are they? Where are today's versions of Metallica? Iron Maiden? 70s-era Chicago? Styx? Black Sabbath? Deep Purple? Heck, where are the new versions of obscure bands like Accept?

If someone can point me to a new act that's similar to bands like those, I will gladly download their albums off Usenet or leech them from YouTube buy their CDs.
Well outside of the mainstream. Bandcamp has lots and lots of smaller artists.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: GCrites on March 11, 2021, 12:09:31 PM
Yeah you take away the gatekeepers such as radio stations, MTV, record store owners, A&R people and all of a sudden everyone listens to different stuff than everyone else. I actually find it comforting when I hear curation of music by advanced listeners since on my own I'd listen to the same old stuff and algos creep me out. Also algos are really boring.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: hbelkins on March 11, 2021, 01:46:16 PM
I've heard Lady Gaga. That's not my type of music, as I lean to hard rock/heavy metal. Where's the new Aerosmith? The next BTO? Heck, I'd settle for decent pop metal like Night Ranger or Bon Jovi.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: Scott5114 on March 11, 2021, 02:57:59 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 10, 2021, 04:00:03 AM
I couldn't help but notice almost all the "best concert" thread entries (including mine) were people seeing past-prime classic rock acts in the last 15 years. Says a lot about today's live performances.

[Moved my post to the appropriate thread.]
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: Rothman on March 11, 2021, 04:09:37 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 11, 2021, 01:46:16 PM
I've heard Lady Gaga. That's not my type of music, as I lean to hard rock/heavy metal. Where's the new Aerosmith? The next BTO? Heck, I'd settle for decent pop metal like Night Ranger or Bon Jovi.
Not my fault that you're stuck in the Dark Ages.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: Takumi on March 11, 2021, 09:27:26 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 11, 2021, 01:46:16 PM
I've heard Lady Gaga. That's not my type of music, as I lean to hard rock/heavy metal. Where's the new Aerosmith? The next BTO? Heck, I'd settle for decent pop metal like Night Ranger or Bon Jovi.
Not on the radio, for various reasons, but they're out there. I know a band called Omni that sounds straight out of the late 70s.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: SectorZ on March 12, 2021, 04:44:56 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 11, 2021, 04:09:37 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 11, 2021, 01:46:16 PM
I've heard Lady Gaga. That's not my type of music, as I lean to hard rock/heavy metal. Where's the new Aerosmith? The next BTO? Heck, I'd settle for decent pop metal like Night Ranger or Bon Jovi.
Not my fault that you're stuck in the Dark Ages.

What does listening to hard rock/heavy metal have to do with being in the dark ages?
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: Rothman on March 12, 2021, 04:47:39 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 12, 2021, 04:44:56 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 11, 2021, 04:09:37 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 11, 2021, 01:46:16 PM
I've heard Lady Gaga. That's not my type of music, as I lean to hard rock/heavy metal. Where's the new Aerosmith? The next BTO? Heck, I'd settle for decent pop metal like Night Ranger or Bon Jovi.
Not my fault that you're stuck in the Dark Ages.

What does listening to hard rock/heavy metal have to do with being in the dark ages?
Living in the dead past.  And, the '70s were definitely the Dark Ages.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: kphoger on March 12, 2021, 04:50:20 PM
Besides, I quite enjoy music from the dark ages.

Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: Rothman on March 12, 2021, 05:30:33 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 12, 2021, 04:50:20 PM
Besides, I quite enjoy music from the dark ages.

Heh.

Same here.  Heck, I like classic rock and heavy metal, too.  But, this idea that there haven't been any decent live acts since is just "Get Off My Lawn" obstinance from Boomers.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: kphoger on March 12, 2021, 05:51:46 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 11, 2021, 01:46:16 PM
Where's the new Aerosmith? The next BTO? Heck, I'd settle for decent pop metal like Night Ranger or Bon Jovi.

Not a fan of Pearl Jam?  Their most recent album was released twelve months ago.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: hbelkins on March 12, 2021, 08:49:08 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 12, 2021, 05:51:46 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 11, 2021, 01:46:16 PM
Where's the new Aerosmith? The next BTO? Heck, I'd settle for decent pop metal like Night Ranger or Bon Jovi.

Not a fan of Pearl Jam?  Their most recent album was released twelve months ago.

Never really got into the grunge stuff. Nirvana was overrated. There are a few Pearl Jam, AIC, Soundgarden, etc. tunes I like, but I'm not a huge fan of the genre overall.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: SectorZ on March 13, 2021, 08:11:40 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 12, 2021, 04:47:39 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 12, 2021, 04:44:56 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 11, 2021, 04:09:37 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 11, 2021, 01:46:16 PM
I've heard Lady Gaga. That's not my type of music, as I lean to hard rock/heavy metal. Where's the new Aerosmith? The next BTO? Heck, I'd settle for decent pop metal like Night Ranger or Bon Jovi.
Not my fault that you're stuck in the Dark Ages.

What does listening to hard rock/heavy metal have to do with being in the dark ages?
Living in the dead past.  And, the '70s were definitely the Dark Ages.

So brand new heavy metal is from the past? I am all confused. By that logic, Lady Gaga is stuck in the dark ages as well, since there was pop music in the 70's as well.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: Rothman on March 13, 2021, 09:17:36 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 13, 2021, 08:11:40 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 12, 2021, 04:47:39 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 12, 2021, 04:44:56 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 11, 2021, 04:09:37 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 11, 2021, 01:46:16 PM
I've heard Lady Gaga. That's not my type of music, as I lean to hard rock/heavy metal. Where's the new Aerosmith? The next BTO? Heck, I'd settle for decent pop metal like Night Ranger or Bon Jovi.
Not my fault that you're stuck in the Dark Ages.

What does listening to hard rock/heavy metal have to do with being in the dark ages?
Living in the dead past.  And, the '70s were definitely the Dark Ages.

So brand new heavy metal is from the past? I am all confused. By that logic, Lady Gaga is stuck in the dark ages as well, since there was pop music in the 70's as well.
You're actually agreeing with me, then.  Certainly, there are decent live heavy metal bands that don't date back 50 years.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: SectorZ on March 13, 2021, 09:54:02 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 13, 2021, 09:17:36 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 13, 2021, 08:11:40 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 12, 2021, 04:47:39 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 12, 2021, 04:44:56 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 11, 2021, 04:09:37 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 11, 2021, 01:46:16 PM
I've heard Lady Gaga. That's not my type of music, as I lean to hard rock/heavy metal. Where's the new Aerosmith? The next BTO? Heck, I'd settle for decent pop metal like Night Ranger or Bon Jovi.
Not my fault that you're stuck in the Dark Ages.

What does listening to hard rock/heavy metal have to do with being in the dark ages?
Living in the dead past.  And, the '70s were definitely the Dark Ages.

So brand new heavy metal is from the past? I am all confused. By that logic, Lady Gaga is stuck in the dark ages as well, since there was pop music in the 70's as well.
You're actually agreeing with me, then.  Certainly, there are decent live heavy metal bands that don't date back 50 years.

Explain to me like I am five on how I am agreeing with you. Please.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: Rothman on March 13, 2021, 10:54:21 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 13, 2021, 09:54:02 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 13, 2021, 09:17:36 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 13, 2021, 08:11:40 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 12, 2021, 04:47:39 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 12, 2021, 04:44:56 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 11, 2021, 04:09:37 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 11, 2021, 01:46:16 PM
I've heard Lady Gaga. That's not my type of music, as I lean to hard rock/heavy metal. Where's the new Aerosmith? The next BTO? Heck, I'd settle for decent pop metal like Night Ranger or Bon Jovi.
Not my fault that you're stuck in the Dark Ages.

What does listening to hard rock/heavy metal have to do with being in the dark ages?
Living in the dead past.  And, the '70s were definitely the Dark Ages.

So brand new heavy metal is from the past? I am all confused. By that logic, Lady Gaga is stuck in the dark ages as well, since there was pop music in the 70's as well.
You're actually agreeing with me, then.  Certainly, there are decent live heavy metal bands that don't date back 50 years.

Explain to me like I am five on how I am agreeing with you. Please.
Well, it's the context of the conversation.  HB said there are currently no good live acts and that none but the older-than-dirt live acts were the only ones worth watching.  I was just pointing out Lady Gaga as a more modern live act whose performances have received a lot of acclaim -- just as an example.

Like you said, certainly there are more recent metal bands that are putting on great live acts, too.

High five!
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: mgk920 on March 13, 2021, 01:44:28 PM
A new act with a 'Dark Ages' sound?

Greta Van Fleet.

Mike
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: tchafe1978 on March 13, 2021, 11:20:08 PM
I bet no one thought Alice in Chains would go on after Layne Staley died, but I think they are doing pretty damn good with William Duvall. There's no comparison to Layne, of course, but Duvall does about as good as can be expected with the harmonies with Jerry Cantrell. And Cantrell proves he's still a great songwriter.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: hbelkins on March 13, 2021, 11:48:35 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on March 13, 2021, 01:44:28 PM
A new act with a 'Dark Ages' sound?

Greta Van Fleet.

Mike

I've heard them described as a cross between Rush and Led Zeppelin.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: GCrites on March 14, 2021, 08:59:58 PM
^You know, I actually hear a lot of Kingdom Come in their sound. I guess that sound could also be called "Zeppelin -- on Time".
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: hbelkins on March 15, 2021, 12:14:13 AM
Quote from: GCrites80s on March 14, 2021, 08:59:58 PM
^You know, I actually hear a lot of Kingdom Come in their sound. I guess that sound could also be called "Zeppelin -- on Time".

That first Kingdom Come release was one of the first four CDs I bought when I bought a CD player. It, the new INXS release that was out at the time, the new AC/DC that was out then, and I've forgotten the fourth one.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: hobsini2 on March 20, 2021, 08:22:38 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 24, 2021, 05:49:18 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 24, 2021, 05:16:45 PM

Quote from: kphoger on February 24, 2021, 05:04:35 PM
What about the various iterations of 10,000 Maniacs?

Without ever having heard the band name before, I thought this was an online group of 10,000 people (or at least over 100) whose members obviously keep changing because people can easily join and leave without it affecting the band at all.

What!  How could you not have heard of them, when they're on hobsini2's playlist (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=28452.msg2570073#msg2570073)?   :-D
These young kids these days don't know quality KP. :)
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: hobsini2 on March 20, 2021, 08:27:26 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 25, 2021, 11:24:40 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 25, 2021, 10:46:27 AM
I'd forgotten Genesis. The style of music changed, but I always thought Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins weren't all that different vocally. It wasn't the drastic change that you got when Hagar replaced Roth in Van Halen.

Here's another one I forgot. Rush. 1970s Geddy Lee vs. 2000s Geddy Lee.  :-D The way "2112" was tuned down as early as the "Different Stages" live set showed just how much his voice had changed. Somewhere on YouTube there's a clip of various live versions of "Tom Sawyer" that purports to demonstrate his vocal changes, but to me it's not that noticeable on that song.

I'm amazed at how little Paul Stanley's range has deteriorated. He doesn't sound a great deal different now than he did when Kiss was filling arenas.

Quote from: texaskdog on February 25, 2021, 12:03:43 AM
where did the Spinal Tap drummer idea come from?  So many bands seem to have that rotating position they can't keep filled.

I think that "spontaneously combusting drummer" thing was just supposed to be a joke within the joke.

No Van Roth was not the same band as Van Hagar, but I personally liked em both. Too bad nobody gave Hagar a chance, being many were thinking he tried to take over ole Dave’s job and missed him.

I thought that in Bad Company, the replacement on Holy Water did a good job for being a replacement.

I actually preferred the Hagar era. Better songs lyrically and wider range musically because Hagar could play guitar too. Diamond Dave was a great front man with a voice but you never saw him pick up an instrument.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: hobsini2 on March 20, 2021, 08:29:30 PM
Quote from: jmd41280 on February 28, 2021, 08:30:22 AM
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on February 25, 2021, 11:26:21 PM
van roth was more fun, but i liked van hagar better ... like i thought his voice went better with vh's style.

*prepares to duck flying objects*

We are all forgetting about the true voice of VH...Gary Cherone  :cool:

Poor Gary.  I liked him in Extreme.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: hobsini2 on March 20, 2021, 08:34:00 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on March 10, 2021, 03:10:14 AM
Quote from: Rothman on February 24, 2021, 04:46:25 PM
Those bands are older than dirt.

A few weeks ago I caught an unfamiliar AC/DC song ('Realize') on a local radio station and just now found out that it is a cut off of a *new* album set called 'PWR UP' that was released on 2020-11-13.  It sounds exactly like their stuff from the late 1970s and the 1980s.  Brian Johnson is now 73 years old and his voice and style have not changed at all.

:wow:

:cool:

Mike
Yeah I have downloaded their new album. Very much a throwback to the Razor's Edge/Back in Black era.  Give Shot in the Dark a spin. https://youtu.be/54LEywabkl4
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: hobsini2 on March 20, 2021, 08:44:20 PM
HB, I think that, unfortunately for guys like us, we have become like our parents when they didn't get our music taste.
I pretty much stopped listening to terrestrial radio Rock stations when 97.9 The Loop (WLUP) in Chicago became a Christian station making it now 6 of them in the market about 5 years ago. Fortunately, a lot of the bands I grew up with and listened to well into the start of this century are still churning albums.

And while I do have some guilty pleasure music stored from artists like Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga, and Carrie Underwood, it's definitely not enough for me to say that THIS era (last 15 years) is a good era in music in general.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: hobsini2 on March 20, 2021, 08:46:46 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 25, 2021, 12:01:28 AM
Quote from: 1 on February 24, 2021, 05:16:45 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 24, 2021, 05:04:35 PM
What about the various iterations of 10,000 Maniacs?

Without ever having heard the band name before, I thought this was an online group of 10,000 people (or at least over 100) whose members obviously keep changing because people can easily join and leave without it affecting the band at all.

Natalie Merchant was my least favorite member of the band.  Didn't care for her solo stuff at all.  Their early stuff was great but suffered without John Lombardo.
BLASPHEMY! :)
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: hbelkins on March 20, 2021, 08:50:42 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on March 20, 2021, 08:27:26 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 25, 2021, 11:24:40 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 25, 2021, 10:46:27 AM
I'd forgotten Genesis. The style of music changed, but I always thought Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins weren't all that different vocally. It wasn't the drastic change that you got when Hagar replaced Roth in Van Halen.

Here's another one I forgot. Rush. 1970s Geddy Lee vs. 2000s Geddy Lee.  :-D The way "2112" was tuned down as early as the "Different Stages" live set showed just how much his voice had changed. Somewhere on YouTube there's a clip of various live versions of "Tom Sawyer" that purports to demonstrate his vocal changes, but to me it's not that noticeable on that song.

I'm amazed at how little Paul Stanley's range has deteriorated. He doesn't sound a great deal different now than he did when Kiss was filling arenas.

Quote from: texaskdog on February 25, 2021, 12:03:43 AM
where did the Spinal Tap drummer idea come from?  So many bands seem to have that rotating position they can't keep filled.

I think that "spontaneously combusting drummer" thing was just supposed to be a joke within the joke.

No Van Roth was not the same band as Van Hagar, but I personally liked em both. Too bad nobody gave Hagar a chance, being many were thinking he tried to take over ole Dave's job and missed him.

I thought that in Bad Company, the replacement on Holy Water did a good job for being a replacement.

I actually preferred the Hagar era. Better songs lyrically and wider range musically because Hagar could play guitar too. Diamond Dave was a great front man with a voice but you never saw him pick up an instrument.

Actually, he played acoustic guitar on stage when they played "Ice Cream Man." The one time I saw them, the guitar was emblazoned with the word "Davesicle."  :-D I never saw Van Hagar live, but did Sammy ever play guitar on any of their songs on stage?
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: hobsini2 on March 20, 2021, 08:50:48 PM
Back to the topic at hand, one band that I am curious to see what they do now is Fleetwood Mac.  It was about a year or 2 ago that Lindsey Buckingham was fired and replaced by former Tom Petty guy, Mike Campbell. I have not heard anything one way or the other about it.

Oh and IMO, Pink Floyd was more creative without Roger Waters. High Hopes is my favorite album front to back by them.
*prepares to brace for vases thrown my way*
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: hobsini2 on March 20, 2021, 08:53:16 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 20, 2021, 08:50:42 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on March 20, 2021, 08:27:26 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 25, 2021, 11:24:40 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 25, 2021, 10:46:27 AM
I'd forgotten Genesis. The style of music changed, but I always thought Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins weren't all that different vocally. It wasn't the drastic change that you got when Hagar replaced Roth in Van Halen.

Here's another one I forgot. Rush. 1970s Geddy Lee vs. 2000s Geddy Lee.  :-D The way "2112" was tuned down as early as the "Different Stages" live set showed just how much his voice had changed. Somewhere on YouTube there's a clip of various live versions of "Tom Sawyer" that purports to demonstrate his vocal changes, but to me it's not that noticeable on that song.

I'm amazed at how little Paul Stanley's range has deteriorated. He doesn't sound a great deal different now than he did when Kiss was filling arenas.

Quote from: texaskdog on February 25, 2021, 12:03:43 AM
where did the Spinal Tap drummer idea come from?  So many bands seem to have that rotating position they can't keep filled.

I think that "spontaneously combusting drummer" thing was just supposed to be a joke within the joke.

No Van Roth was not the same band as Van Hagar, but I personally liked em both. Too bad nobody gave Hagar a chance, being many were thinking he tried to take over ole Dave's job and missed him.

I thought that in Bad Company, the replacement on Holy Water did a good job for being a replacement.

I actually preferred the Hagar era. Better songs lyrically and wider range musically because Hagar could play guitar too. Diamond Dave was a great front man with a voice but you never saw him pick up an instrument.

Actually, he played acoustic guitar on stage when they played "Ice Cream Man." The one time I saw them, the guitar was emblazoned with the word "Davesicle."  :-D I never saw Van Hagar live, but did Sammy ever play guitar on any of their songs on stage?
Damn right he did. I saw Sammy about 10 years ago in Milwaukee with his band the Cabo Wabos and Michael Anthony. He played either acoustic guitar or rhythm guitar on 3/4 of the songs for the 2 hour set. Great show. One of my top 5 ever.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: hbelkins on March 20, 2021, 09:10:27 PM
Oh, I know Sammy played guitar. I was wondering how much he played during Van Halen concerts.

One of my favorite newer albums is "At Your Service" by Sammy Hagar & The Circle. Mikey is on bass, Jason Bonham on drums, and an unsung hero named Vic Johnson on guitar. That album is chock full of songs from Sammy's Montrose days, his solo albums, his days with Van Halen, and some Led Zeppelin thrown in as an ode to Bonham's father. (In some between-song banter, Bonham refers to the band as "Red Zeppelin.") It doesn't sound like Sammy plays much guitar on that album, and most of the axe work is left to Johnson.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: hobsini2 on March 20, 2021, 09:15:46 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 20, 2021, 09:10:27 PM
Oh, I know Sammy played guitar. I was wondering how much he played during Van Halen concerts.

One of my favorite newer albums is "At Your Service" by Sammy Hagar & The Circle. Mikey is on bass, Jason Bonham on drums, and an unsung hero named Vic Johnson on guitar. That album is chock full of songs from Sammy's Montrose days, his solo albums, his days with Van Halen, and some Led Zeppelin thrown in as an ode to Bonham's father. (In some between-song banter, Bonham refers to the band as "Red Zeppelin.") It doesn't sound like Sammy plays much guitar on that album, and most of the axe work is left to Johnson.
Vic Johnson is definitely underrated. So was his female bassist. I got to look her name up.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: hobsini2 on March 20, 2021, 09:17:34 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on March 20, 2021, 09:15:46 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 20, 2021, 09:10:27 PM
Oh, I know Sammy played guitar. I was wondering how much he played during Van Halen concerts.

One of my favorite newer albums is "At Your Service" by Sammy Hagar & The Circle. Mikey is on bass, Jason Bonham on drums, and an unsung hero named Vic Johnson on guitar. That album is chock full of songs from Sammy's Montrose days, his solo albums, his days with Van Halen, and some Led Zeppelin thrown in as an ode to Bonham's father. (In some between-song banter, Bonham refers to the band as "Red Zeppelin.") It doesn't sound like Sammy plays much guitar on that album, and most of the axe work is left to Johnson.
Vic Johnson is definitely underrated. So was his female bassist. I got to look her name up.
Thanks to wiki...
former Tommy Tutone bassist Mona Gnader
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: bwana39 on March 20, 2021, 09:19:03 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on March 20, 2021, 08:53:16 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 20, 2021, 08:50:42 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on March 20, 2021, 08:27:26 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 25, 2021, 11:24:40 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 25, 2021, 10:46:27 AM
I'd forgotten Genesis. The style of music changed, but I always thought Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins weren't all that different vocally. It wasn't the drastic change that you got when Hagar replaced Roth in Van Halen.

Here's another one I forgot. Rush. 1970s Geddy Lee vs. 2000s Geddy Lee.  :-D The way "2112" was tuned down as early as the "Different Stages" live set showed just how much his voice had changed. Somewhere on YouTube there's a clip of various live versions of "Tom Sawyer" that purports to demonstrate his vocal changes, but to me it's not that noticeable on that song.

I'm amazed at how little Paul Stanley's range has deteriorated. He doesn't sound a great deal different now than he did when Kiss was filling arenas.

Quote from: texaskdog on February 25, 2021, 12:03:43 AM
where did the Spinal Tap drummer idea come from?  So many bands seem to have that rotating position they can't keep filled.

I think that "spontaneously combusting drummer" thing was just supposed to be a joke within the joke.

No Van Roth was not the same band as Van Hagar, but I personally liked em both. Too bad nobody gave Hagar a chance, being many were thinking he tried to take over ole Dave's job and missed him.

I thought that in Bad Company, the replacement on Holy Water did a good job for being a replacement.

I actually preferred the Hagar era. Better songs lyrically and wider range musically because Hagar could play guitar too. Diamond Dave was a great front man with a voice but you never saw him pick up an instrument.

Actually, he played acoustic guitar on stage when they played "Ice Cream Man." The one time I saw them, the guitar was emblazoned with the word "Davesicle."  :-D I never saw Van Hagar live, but did Sammy ever play guitar on any of their songs on stage?
Damn right he did. I saw Sammy about 10 years ago in Milwaukee with his band the Cabo Wabos and Michael Anthony. He played either acoustic guitar or rhythm guitar on 3/4 of the songs for the 2 hour set. Great show. One of my top 5 ever.

I was at the VERY first VanHalen concert with Sam. Hirsch Coliseum Shreveport LA.  He played. Sam played the solo from "I can't drive 55" hanging off a mezzanine catwalk. Eddie was terrified that Sam was going to fall.  He rarely, if ever failed to have and play an axe (a Flying V).
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: bwana39 on March 20, 2021, 09:26:19 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 25, 2021, 12:42:01 AM
Chester Bennington fronted both Linkin Park and Stone Temple Pilots for a time after Scott Weiland was kicked out of STP. Eventually it got to be too much and he left STP, I'm not sure if Chester did an album with them or not. Of course, both of those guys are tragically gone now.

I saw Linkin Park and they kicked my ass.  Chester was great.

I saw Stone Temple Pilots twice and Velvet Revolver.  Scott Weiland was the weak point in Velvet Revolver.  The first time I saw Stone Temple Pilots, they opened for Aerosmith. It was lackluster. Steven Tyler would have allowed nothing less.   The second time I saw Stone Temple Pilots (Still with Wieland), they were literally the Second Best Show I ever saw.  Queen was the best. Boston was 3rd.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: hobsini2 on March 20, 2021, 09:33:28 PM
Quote from: bwana39 on March 20, 2021, 09:26:19 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 25, 2021, 12:42:01 AM
Chester Bennington fronted both Linkin Park and Stone Temple Pilots for a time after Scott Weiland was kicked out of STP. Eventually it got to be too much and he left STP, I'm not sure if Chester did an album with them or not. Of course, both of those guys are tragically gone now.

I saw Linkin Park and they kicked my ass.  Chester was great.

I saw Stone Temple Pilots twice and Velvet Revolver.  Scott Weiland was the weak point in Velvet Revolver.  The first time I saw Stone Temple Pilots, they opened for Aerosmith. It was lackluster. Steven Tyler would have allowed nothing less.   The second time I saw Stone Temple Pilots, they were literally the Second Best Show I ever saw.  Queen was the best. Boston was 3rd.
Queen with Freddy? Or with Adam Lambert in place? I'm jealous if it was the former.
Title: Re: Bands that change singers: for better or worse?
Post by: bwana39 on March 25, 2021, 12:12:02 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on March 20, 2021, 09:33:28 PM
Quote from: bwana39 on March 20, 2021, 09:26:19 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 25, 2021, 12:42:01 AM
Chester Bennington fronted both Linkin Park and Stone Temple Pilots for a time after Scott Weiland was kicked out of STP. Eventually it got to be too much and he left STP, I'm not sure if Chester did an album with them or not. Of course, both of those guys are tragically gone now.

I saw Linkin Park and they kicked my ass.  Chester was great.

I saw Stone Temple Pilots twice and Velvet Revolver.  Scott Weiland was the weak point in Velvet Revolver.  The first time I saw Stone Temple Pilots, they opened for Aerosmith. It was lackluster. Steven Tyler would have allowed nothing less.   The second time I saw Stone Temple Pilots, they were literally the Second Best Show I ever saw.  Queen was the best. Boston was 3rd.
Queen with Freddy? Or with Adam Lambert in place? I'm jealous if it was the former.

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