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Road improvements in Prince William County, Virginia
Jmiles32:
--- Quote from: bluecountry on November 07, 2022, 03:34:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: Jmiles32 on November 02, 2022, 03:58:11 PM ---https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/updated-pw-digital-gateway-meeting-stretches-into-wednesday-morning/article_ed14f8f0-5a57-11ed-bd9d-f743c1753eea.html
https://legistarweb-production.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/attachment/pdf/1626992/Item_3-A.pdf
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Big changes are coming ahead for Prince William County as the controversial Digital Gateway rezoning, which would result in massive data centers being built along Pageland Lane (27.6 million square feet of data centers on 2,139 acres), was approved this morning by the PWC Board of Supervisors. As a result, Pageland Lane will be widened to four lanes in the near future along with other improvements like perhaps a direct connection from Pageland Lane to the I-66/VA-234 interchange. While I personally was not in favor of the digital gateway, now that it has been approved, I do think that there is now a legitimate opportunity for a new four-lane connection to Loudoun. However, instead of the previous "bi-county parkway" route that would encompass all of Pageland Lane and then go up Saunders lane (which would likely take many homes) connecting to Loudoun's Northstar Blvd, I think that instead, a better route would be to have an upgraded Pageland Lane veer northeast near Thornton Drive, cross VA-234 near Aldie Road, cross the Bull Run, and then tie into an upgraded Gum Spring Road in Loudoun by the quarry. Not only would this routing better connect to Dulles Airport (like the Bi-County Parkway was originally intended) and Loudoun County Parkway/Old Ox Road (thanks to the new Arcola Blvd), but I also suspect that Loudoun would have no problem widening Gum Spring Road south of where the current four-lane section ends. Just my two cents. If Prince Wiliam County is going to do this, might as well do it right.
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Many things:
1. BOCS may have approved but this has got to have another hurdle. Lawsuits/appeals, etc. this is hardly a done deal. It is the 1st inning.
2. BOCS made a provision that Pageland would NOT connect to 66, and I believe only limited portions at most would be four lanes.
Frankly, the bi-county parkway is an awful idea. The one idea I liked was the long demised tri-county parkway but that ship has sailed.
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The best argument IMO against the bi-county parkway was all of the rural land in the area that it would open up for development. Now with that argument out the window (or at least appearing to be on track) I don't see the point of being against a four lane connection to Loudoun County while at the same time supporting the widening of Pageland Lane, US-29, and part of VA-234. All that will do is put more pressure on the residents of Saunders Lane to do the same thing as their Pageland neighbors (as Loudoun will undoubtably eventually widen Northstar Blvd and Gum Spring Road to the PWC line). Seems to me that this is a more complicated, expensive, and politically sneaky way for PWC to essentially do the Bi-county parkway while still officially being against it. At this point I would just say cut the crap.
bluecountry:
--- Quote from: Jmiles32 on January 25, 2023, 04:51:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: bluecountry on November 07, 2022, 03:34:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: Jmiles32 on November 02, 2022, 03:58:11 PM ---https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/updated-pw-digital-gateway-meeting-stretches-into-wednesday-morning/article_ed14f8f0-5a57-11ed-bd9d-f743c1753eea.html
https://legistarweb-production.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/attachment/pdf/1626992/Item_3-A.pdf
(^Page 55 goes into potential infrastructure improvements)
Big changes are coming ahead for Prince William County as the controversial Digital Gateway rezoning, which would result in massive data centers being built along Pageland Lane (27.6 million square feet of data centers on 2,139 acres), was approved this morning by the PWC Board of Supervisors. As a result, Pageland Lane will be widened to four lanes in the near future along with other improvements like perhaps a direct connection from Pageland Lane to the I-66/VA-234 interchange. While I personally was not in favor of the digital gateway, now that it has been approved, I do think that there is now a legitimate opportunity for a new four-lane connection to Loudoun. However, instead of the previous "bi-county parkway" route that would encompass all of Pageland Lane and then go up Saunders lane (which would likely take many homes) connecting to Loudoun's Northstar Blvd, I think that instead, a better route would be to have an upgraded Pageland Lane veer northeast near Thornton Drive, cross VA-234 near Aldie Road, cross the Bull Run, and then tie into an upgraded Gum Spring Road in Loudoun by the quarry. Not only would this routing better connect to Dulles Airport (like the Bi-County Parkway was originally intended) and Loudoun County Parkway/Old Ox Road (thanks to the new Arcola Blvd), but I also suspect that Loudoun would have no problem widening Gum Spring Road south of where the current four-lane section ends. Just my two cents. If Prince Wiliam County is going to do this, might as well do it right.
--- End quote ---
Many things:
1. BOCS may have approved but this has got to have another hurdle. Lawsuits/appeals, etc. this is hardly a done deal. It is the 1st inning.
2. BOCS made a provision that Pageland would NOT connect to 66, and I believe only limited portions at most would be four lanes.
Frankly, the bi-county parkway is an awful idea. The one idea I liked was the long demised tri-county parkway but that ship has sailed.
--- End quote ---
The best argument IMO against the bi-county parkway was all of the rural land in the area that it would open up for development. Now with that argument out the window (or at least appearing to be on track) I don't see the point of being against a four lane connection to Loudoun County while at the same time supporting the widening of Pageland Lane, US-29, and part of VA-234. All that will do is put more pressure on the residents of Saunders Lane to do the same thing as their Pageland neighbors (as Loudoun will undoubtably eventually widen Northstar Blvd and Gum Spring Road to the PWC line). Seems to me that this is a more complicated, expensive, and politically sneaky way for PWC to essentially do the Bi-county parkway while still officially being against it. At this point I would just say cut the crap.
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Absolutely not. Horrible idea.
NO Bi-County Parkway.
Whatever growth happens it will induce way more sprawl.
Moreover, with limited $$$ why are we spending it on a corridor nobody but developers want?
If they want to pay to build, operate, and maintain that is one thing, but our tax dollars are needed in much different areas.
Moreover, before building a road as new route to Dulles, how about the existing routes there get more upgraded entrances to Dulles, because increasing traffic without entrances you know makes things worse.
Jmiles32:
--- Quote from: bluecountry on January 26, 2023, 03:57:04 PM ---
--- Quote from: Jmiles32 on January 25, 2023, 04:51:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: bluecountry on November 07, 2022, 03:34:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: Jmiles32 on November 02, 2022, 03:58:11 PM ---https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/updated-pw-digital-gateway-meeting-stretches-into-wednesday-morning/article_ed14f8f0-5a57-11ed-bd9d-f743c1753eea.html
https://legistarweb-production.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/attachment/pdf/1626992/Item_3-A.pdf
(^Page 55 goes into potential infrastructure improvements)
Big changes are coming ahead for Prince William County as the controversial Digital Gateway rezoning, which would result in massive data centers being built along Pageland Lane (27.6 million square feet of data centers on 2,139 acres), was approved this morning by the PWC Board of Supervisors. As a result, Pageland Lane will be widened to four lanes in the near future along with other improvements like perhaps a direct connection from Pageland Lane to the I-66/VA-234 interchange. While I personally was not in favor of the digital gateway, now that it has been approved, I do think that there is now a legitimate opportunity for a new four-lane connection to Loudoun. However, instead of the previous "bi-county parkway" route that would encompass all of Pageland Lane and then go up Saunders lane (which would likely take many homes) connecting to Loudoun's Northstar Blvd, I think that instead, a better route would be to have an upgraded Pageland Lane veer northeast near Thornton Drive, cross VA-234 near Aldie Road, cross the Bull Run, and then tie into an upgraded Gum Spring Road in Loudoun by the quarry. Not only would this routing better connect to Dulles Airport (like the Bi-County Parkway was originally intended) and Loudoun County Parkway/Old Ox Road (thanks to the new Arcola Blvd), but I also suspect that Loudoun would have no problem widening Gum Spring Road south of where the current four-lane section ends. Just my two cents. If Prince Wiliam County is going to do this, might as well do it right.
--- End quote ---
Many things:
1. BOCS may have approved but this has got to have another hurdle. Lawsuits/appeals, etc. this is hardly a done deal. It is the 1st inning.
2. BOCS made a provision that Pageland would NOT connect to 66, and I believe only limited portions at most would be four lanes.
Frankly, the bi-county parkway is an awful idea. The one idea I liked was the long demised tri-county parkway but that ship has sailed.
--- End quote ---
The best argument IMO against the bi-county parkway was all of the rural land in the area that it would open up for development. Now with that argument out the window (or at least appearing to be on track) I don't see the point of being against a four lane connection to Loudoun County while at the same time supporting the widening of Pageland Lane, US-29, and part of VA-234. All that will do is put more pressure on the residents of Saunders Lane to do the same thing as their Pageland neighbors (as Loudoun will undoubtably eventually widen Northstar Blvd and Gum Spring Road to the PWC line). Seems to me that this is a more complicated, expensive, and politically sneaky way for PWC to essentially do the Bi-county parkway while still officially being against it. At this point I would just say cut the crap.
--- End quote ---
Absolutely not. Horrible idea.
NO Bi-County Parkway.
Whatever growth happens it will induce way more sprawl.
Moreover, with limited $$$ why are we spending it on a corridor nobody but developers want?
If they want to pay to build, operate, and maintain that is one thing, but our tax dollars are needed in much different areas.
Moreover, before building a road as new route to Dulles, how about the existing routes there get more upgraded entrances to Dulles, because increasing traffic without entrances you know makes things worse.
--- End quote ---
I agree that limited taxpayer $$$ could and should be spent on way more pressing roadway improvements throughout the county. However, if this plan goes through, don't be surprised when PWC has to apply in a few years for funding to help cover the various needed roadway improvements those data centers will require. Overall this came down to a choice of either sprawl by new housing or new data centers, the latter of which particularly annoys me given that there is still plently of room for their designated development along VA-234 and Innovation Park.
bluecountry:
--- Quote from: Jmiles32 on January 26, 2023, 04:34:51 PM ---
--- Quote from: bluecountry on January 26, 2023, 03:57:04 PM ---
--- Quote from: Jmiles32 on January 25, 2023, 04:51:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: bluecountry on November 07, 2022, 03:34:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: Jmiles32 on November 02, 2022, 03:58:11 PM ---https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/updated-pw-digital-gateway-meeting-stretches-into-wednesday-morning/article_ed14f8f0-5a57-11ed-bd9d-f743c1753eea.html
https://legistarweb-production.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/attachment/pdf/1626992/Item_3-A.pdf
(^Page 55 goes into potential infrastructure improvements)
Big changes are coming ahead for Prince William County as the controversial Digital Gateway rezoning, which would result in massive data centers being built along Pageland Lane (27.6 million square feet of data centers on 2,139 acres), was approved this morning by the PWC Board of Supervisors. As a result, Pageland Lane will be widened to four lanes in the near future along with other improvements like perhaps a direct connection from Pageland Lane to the I-66/VA-234 interchange. While I personally was not in favor of the digital gateway, now that it has been approved, I do think that there is now a legitimate opportunity for a new four-lane connection to Loudoun. However, instead of the previous "bi-county parkway" route that would encompass all of Pageland Lane and then go up Saunders lane (which would likely take many homes) connecting to Loudoun's Northstar Blvd, I think that instead, a better route would be to have an upgraded Pageland Lane veer northeast near Thornton Drive, cross VA-234 near Aldie Road, cross the Bull Run, and then tie into an upgraded Gum Spring Road in Loudoun by the quarry. Not only would this routing better connect to Dulles Airport (like the Bi-County Parkway was originally intended) and Loudoun County Parkway/Old Ox Road (thanks to the new Arcola Blvd), but I also suspect that Loudoun would have no problem widening Gum Spring Road south of where the current four-lane section ends. Just my two cents. If Prince Wiliam County is going to do this, might as well do it right.
--- End quote ---
Many things:
1. BOCS may have approved but this has got to have another hurdle. Lawsuits/appeals, etc. this is hardly a done deal. It is the 1st inning.
2. BOCS made a provision that Pageland would NOT connect to 66, and I believe only limited portions at most would be four lanes.
Frankly, the bi-county parkway is an awful idea. The one idea I liked was the long demised tri-county parkway but that ship has sailed.
--- End quote ---
The best argument IMO against the bi-county parkway was all of the rural land in the area that it would open up for development. Now with that argument out the window (or at least appearing to be on track) I don't see the point of being against a four lane connection to Loudoun County while at the same time supporting the widening of Pageland Lane, US-29, and part of VA-234. All that will do is put more pressure on the residents of Saunders Lane to do the same thing as their Pageland neighbors (as Loudoun will undoubtably eventually widen Northstar Blvd and Gum Spring Road to the PWC line). Seems to me that this is a more complicated, expensive, and politically sneaky way for PWC to essentially do the Bi-county parkway while still officially being against it. At this point I would just say cut the crap.
--- End quote ---
Absolutely not. Horrible idea.
NO Bi-County Parkway.
Whatever growth happens it will induce way more sprawl.
Moreover, with limited $$$ why are we spending it on a corridor nobody but developers want?
If they want to pay to build, operate, and maintain that is one thing, but our tax dollars are needed in much different areas.
Moreover, before building a road as new route to Dulles, how about the existing routes there get more upgraded entrances to Dulles, because increasing traffic without entrances you know makes things worse.
--- End quote ---
I agree that limited taxpayer $$$ could and should be spent on way more pressing roadway improvements throughout the county. However, if this plan goes through, don't be surprised when PWC has to apply in a few years for funding to help cover the various needed roadway improvements those data centers will require. Overall this came down to a choice of either sprawl by new housing or new data centers, the latter of which particularly annoys me given that there is still plently of room for their designated development along VA-234 and Innovation Park.
--- End quote ---
It did not have to be a choice of either. This is PWC just selling out.
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