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Flint1979:
--- Quote from: Terry Shea on February 01, 2023, 07:57:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: roadman65 on January 30, 2023, 02:34:33 AM ---https://goo.gl/maps/DWaWozSemiFnr6H98
Are these enhanced mile markers accurate? If these are correct then the duplex with I-196 would be only 20 miles then in which Exit 44 on I-196 would be out of synch.
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--- Quote from: Flint1979 on January 30, 2023, 07:16:35 AM ---
--- Quote from: roadman65 on January 30, 2023, 02:34:33 AM ---https://goo.gl/maps/DWaWozSemiFnr6H98
Are these enhanced mile markers accurate? If these are correct then the duplex with I-196 would be only 20 miles then in which Exit 44 on I-196 would be out of synch.
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Not from the state line they're not. That's the mileage from the southern end of I-196.
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Never saw that before, but I never go that way. Did they continue using I-196 mileage just on the short freeway portion after US-31 splits off toward Holland? Why would they do that?
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For some reason the mileage starts over when US-31 is concurrent with I-196. I don't think it should as US-31 is at mile 81 not 47 at that location. I saw someone mention the M-104 exit which is exit 104 in Ferrysburg. Strange because on the wikipedia page for US-31 in Michigan the mileage they have stops at Napier Avenue for some reason. I think the mileage list for US-31 needs to be updated.
afguy:
I could see I-94, US-23 and I-75 south of 275 being feasible for tolls. I don't think M-14 would work as a toll road.
Toll roads in Michigan? Study shows where they might work
--- Quote ---The consultants used 21 criteria to review the feasibility of assessing mileage-based tolls on all 1,922 miles of limited-access highways. Of the 31 routes, 17 were screened out, partly to avoid affecting low-income communities and to have self-supporting toll roads.
The 14 remaining corridors, encompassing 1,156 miles, were broken into three tiers based on their readiness for tolling: five to seven years for 545 miles, seven to 14 years for 232 miles and 15 or more years for 379 miles.
Tier 1, the nearer-term scenario that is based on tolls starting in 2028, includes:
all of Interstate 275 in metro Detroit.
all of I-696.
I-75 between the Ohio border and I-275 south of Detroit, and between I-695 north of Saginaw and U.S. 127 north of Higgins Lake.
I-94 between the Indiana border and U.S. 24 in Detroit.
I-69 between Marshall and Flint.
I-196 between I-94 north of St. Joseph and M-6 southwest of Grand Rapids.
M-14 between I-94 southwest of Ann Arbor and the M-14/U.S. 23 split north of Ann Arbor.[/li][/list]
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Such a system would generate $1.3 billion in revenue annually by 2032 if the tolling rate was 6 cents a mile for passenger cars and 24 cents per mile for commercial trucks. The current transportation budget is $6.1 billion.
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https://www.crainsdetroit.com/politics-policy/toll-roads-michigan-study-shows-where-they-might-work
Terry Shea:
--- Quote from: afguy on February 07, 2023, 07:35:27 PM ---I could see I-94, US-23 and I-75 south of 275 being feasible for tolls. I don't think M-14 would work as a toll road.
Toll roads in Michigan? Study shows where they might work
--- Quote ---The consultants used 21 criteria to review the feasibility of assessing mileage-based tolls on all 1,922 miles of limited-access highways. Of the 31 routes, 17 were screened out, partly to avoid affecting low-income communities and to have self-supporting toll roads.
The 14 remaining corridors, encompassing 1,156 miles, were broken into three tiers based on their readiness for tolling: five to seven years for 545 miles, seven to 14 years for 232 miles and 15 or more years for 379 miles.
Tier 1, the nearer-term scenario that is based on tolls starting in 2028, includes:
all of Interstate 275 in metro Detroit.
all of I-696.
I-75 between the Ohio border and I-275 south of Detroit, and between I-695 north of Saginaw and U.S. 127 north of Higgins Lake.
I-94 between the Indiana border and U.S. 24 in Detroit.
I-69 between Marshall and Flint.
I-196 between I-94 north of St. Joseph and M-6 southwest of Grand Rapids.
M-14 between I-94 southwest of Ann Arbor and the M-14/U.S. 23 split north of Ann Arbor.[/li][/list]
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Such a system would generate $1.3 billion in revenue annually by 2032 if the tolling rate was 6 cents a mile for passenger cars and 24 cents per mile for commercial trucks. The current transportation budget is $6.1 billion.
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https://www.crainsdetroit.com/politics-policy/toll-roads-michigan-study-shows-where-they-might-work
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Good lord, why not just toll every mile of freeway!
Terry Shea:
--- Quote from: Terry Shea on February 08, 2023, 02:52:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: afguy on February 07, 2023, 07:35:27 PM ---I could see I-94, US-23 and I-75 south of 275 being feasible for tolls. I don't think M-14 would work as a toll road.
Toll roads in Michigan? Study shows where they might work
--- Quote ---The consultants used 21 criteria to review the feasibility of assessing mileage-based tolls on all 1,922 miles of limited-access highways. Of the 31 routes, 17 were screened out, partly to avoid affecting low-income communities and to have self-supporting toll roads.
The 14 remaining corridors, encompassing 1,156 miles, were broken into three tiers based on their readiness for tolling: five to seven years for 545 miles, seven to 14 years for 232 miles and 15 or more years for 379 miles.
Tier 1, the nearer-term scenario that is based on tolls starting in 2028, includes:
all of Interstate 275 in metro Detroit.
all of I-696.
I-75 between the Ohio border and I-275 south of Detroit, and between I-695 north of Saginaw and U.S. 127 north of Higgins Lake.
I-94 between the Indiana border and U.S. 24 in Detroit.
I-69 between Marshall and Flint.
I-196 between I-94 north of St. Joseph and M-6 southwest of Grand Rapids.
M-14 between I-94 southwest of Ann Arbor and the M-14/U.S. 23 split north of Ann Arbor.[/li][/list]
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Such a system would generate $1.3 billion in revenue annually by 2032 if the tolling rate was 6 cents a mile for passenger cars and 24 cents per mile for commercial trucks. The current transportation budget is $6.1 billion.
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https://www.crainsdetroit.com/politics-policy/toll-roads-michigan-study-shows-where-they-might-work
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Good lord, why not just toll every mile of freeway!
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And of course you have to pay for a subscription to read about future tolls! D'oh!
Terry Shea:
--- Quote from: Terry Shea on February 08, 2023, 02:55:51 PM ---
--- Quote from: Terry Shea on February 08, 2023, 02:52:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: afguy on February 07, 2023, 07:35:27 PM ---I could see I-94, US-23 and I-75 south of 275 being feasible for tolls. I don't think M-14 would work as a toll road.
Toll roads in Michigan? Study shows where they might work
--- Quote ---The consultants used 21 criteria to review the feasibility of assessing mileage-based tolls on all 1,922 miles of limited-access highways. Of the 31 routes, 17 were screened out, partly to avoid affecting low-income communities and to have self-supporting toll roads.
The 14 remaining corridors, encompassing 1,156 miles, were broken into three tiers based on their readiness for tolling: five to seven years for 545 miles, seven to 14 years for 232 miles and 15 or more years for 379 miles.
Tier 1, the nearer-term scenario that is based on tolls starting in 2028, includes:
all of Interstate 275 in metro Detroit.
all of I-696.
I-75 between the Ohio border and I-275 south of Detroit, and between I-695 north of Saginaw and U.S. 127 north of Higgins Lake.
I-94 between the Indiana border and U.S. 24 in Detroit.
I-69 between Marshall and Flint.
I-196 between I-94 north of St. Joseph and M-6 southwest of Grand Rapids.
M-14 between I-94 southwest of Ann Arbor and the M-14/U.S. 23 split north of Ann Arbor.[/li][/list]
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Such a system would generate $1.3 billion in revenue annually by 2032 if the tolling rate was 6 cents a mile for passenger cars and 24 cents per mile for commercial trucks. The current transportation budget is $6.1 billion.
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https://www.crainsdetroit.com/politics-policy/toll-roads-michigan-study-shows-where-they-might-work
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Good lord, why not just toll every mile of freeway!
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And of course you have to pay for a subscription to read about future tolls! D'oh!
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And I'd really like to know more about this I-695 north of Saginaw! :)
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