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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2975 on: November 08, 2020, 10:13:08 PM »

The all-way stop at the south end of the US 12 freeway by Genoa City has been replaced with a signalized intersection, complete with a dual left turn for the EB US 12.  The EB US 12 to NB County H movement is still stop controlled.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2976 on: November 10, 2020, 11:04:52 PM »

Since connecting anything to that stub is probably never going to happen, is there any talk of reconfiguring that intersection in a way that would be more suited to thru traffic on 12, or is there no point?
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2978 on: November 11, 2020, 04:38:53 PM »

https://madison.com/wsj/business/congestion-frustration-and-delays-come-to-an-end-as-verona-road-project-nears-completion/article_1eb102f0-bfef-5992-bc24-34f0cc5ff182.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

The Verona Rd. US 18/151 project in Madison is finally coming to an end!
It's the end of an era in Madison. In my entire life I have not known a world where Verona Road was not at least a little bit under construction. That world is now a reality. I drove it a couple weeks ago and it is quite nice. Worth dealing with the construction? Definitely not. But better really late than never.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2979 on: November 11, 2020, 06:56:30 PM »

https://madison.com/wsj/business/congestion-frustration-and-delays-come-to-an-end-as-verona-road-project-nears-completion/article_1eb102f0-bfef-5992-bc24-34f0cc5ff182.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

The Verona Rd. US 18/151 project in Madison is finally coming to an end!
It's the end of an era in Madison. In my entire life I have not known a world where Verona Road was not at least a little bit under construction. That world is now a reality. I drove it a couple weeks ago and it is quite nice. Worth dealing with the construction? Definitely not. But better really late than never.
Now they just need to implement Phase 3

For those wondering - this was planned to be a free-flowing fly-under for Traffic to-from the East Beltline to Verona Road South (replacing the Jughandle Roundabout).  The state scrapped the plans.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2980 on: November 11, 2020, 07:27:30 PM »

https://madison.com/wsj/business/congestion-frustration-and-delays-come-to-an-end-as-verona-road-project-nears-completion/article_1eb102f0-bfef-5992-bc24-34f0cc5ff182.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

The Verona Rd. US 18/151 project in Madison is finally coming to an end!
It's the end of an era in Madison. In my entire life I have not known a world where Verona Road was not at least a little bit under construction. That world is now a reality. I drove it a couple weeks ago and it is quite nice. Worth dealing with the construction? Definitely not. But better really late than never.
Now they just need to implement Phase 3

For those wondering - this was planned to be a free-flowing fly-under for Traffic to-from the East Beltline to Verona Road South (replacing the Jughandle Roundabout).  The state scrapped the plans.

I would be shocked if this ever happened. Honestly, phases 1 and 2 are more than adequate to meet the needs for a long time to come.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2981 on: November 11, 2020, 07:38:29 PM »

https://madison.com/wsj/business/congestion-frustration-and-delays-come-to-an-end-as-verona-road-project-nears-completion/article_1eb102f0-bfef-5992-bc24-34f0cc5ff182.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

The Verona Rd. US 18/151 project in Madison is finally coming to an end!
It's the end of an era in Madison. In my entire life I have not known a world where Verona Road was not at least a little bit under construction. That world is now a reality. I drove it a couple weeks ago and it is quite nice. Worth dealing with the construction? Definitely not. But better really late than never.
Now they just need to implement Phase 3

For those wondering - this was planned to be a free-flowing fly-under for Traffic to-from the East Beltline to Verona Road South (replacing the Jughandle Roundabout).  The state scrapped the plans.

I would be shocked if this ever happened. Honestly, phases 1 and 2 are more than adequate to meet the needs for a long time to come.
Right now the current interchange works fine. I think most of the problem during the construction was not the interchange itself, but the lights at Raymond, Williamsburg, and McKee (McKee especially, that was a war zone at rush hour). Southbound cars would back up in those spots at reds, which would then slow down the Beltline interchange even after the reconstruction to its current form. Now that only one light remains between US-12 and Verona, those backups no longer occur, and suddenly that interchange flows much better. With that being said, Verona is growing quickly and Epic is getting bigger by the day. We'll see how long the current setup works for. Put the over/under at 10 years.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2982 on: November 12, 2020, 07:21:45 AM »

https://madison.com/wsj/business/congestion-frustration-and-delays-come-to-an-end-as-verona-road-project-nears-completion/article_1eb102f0-bfef-5992-bc24-34f0cc5ff182.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

The Verona Rd. US 18/151 project in Madison is finally coming to an end!
It's the end of an era in Madison. In my entire life I have not known a world where Verona Road was not at least a little bit under construction. That world is now a reality. I drove it a couple weeks ago and it is quite nice. Worth dealing with the construction? Definitely not. But better really late than never.
Now they just need to implement Phase 3

For those wondering - this was planned to be a free-flowing fly-under for Traffic to-from the East Beltline to Verona Road South (replacing the Jughandle Roundabout).  The state scrapped the plans.

I would be shocked if this ever happened. Honestly, phases 1 and 2 are more than adequate to meet the needs for a long time to come.
Right now the current interchange works fine. I think most of the problem during the construction was not the interchange itself, but the lights at Raymond, Williamsburg, and McKee (McKee especially, that was a war zone at rush hour). Southbound cars would back up in those spots at reds, which would then slow down the Beltline interchange even after the reconstruction to its current form. Now that only one light remains between US-12 and Verona, those backups no longer occur, and suddenly that interchange flows much better. With that being said, Verona is growing quickly and Epic is getting bigger by the day. We'll see how long the current setup works for. Put the over/under at 10 years.
Two lights - the jughandle roundabout and Raymond. (The SPUI doesn't count ;) )

Nevertheless, it is more efficient - I agree with that.  Now if only WisDOT would not post such rediculously low speed limits at traffic lights...

they drop the limit to 40 at the Williamsburg Way Interchange.  (Granted, the ramp is close enough to the Raymond light that you risk crossovers.)
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2983 on: November 12, 2020, 07:59:34 AM »

https://madison.com/wsj/business/congestion-frustration-and-delays-come-to-an-end-as-verona-road-project-nears-completion/article_1eb102f0-bfef-5992-bc24-34f0cc5ff182.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

The Verona Rd. US 18/151 project in Madison is finally coming to an end!
It's the end of an era in Madison. In my entire life I have not known a world where Verona Road was not at least a little bit under construction. That world is now a reality. I drove it a couple weeks ago and it is quite nice. Worth dealing with the construction? Definitely not. But better really late than never.
Now they just need to implement Phase 3

For those wondering - this was planned to be a free-flowing fly-under for Traffic to-from the East Beltline to Verona Road South (replacing the Jughandle Roundabout).  The state scrapped the plans.

I would be shocked if this ever happened. Honestly, phases 1 and 2 are more than adequate to meet the needs for a long time to come.
Right now the current interchange works fine. I think most of the problem during the construction was not the interchange itself, but the lights at Raymond, Williamsburg, and McKee (McKee especially, that was a war zone at rush hour). Southbound cars would back up in those spots at reds, which would then slow down the Beltline interchange even after the reconstruction to its current form. Now that only one light remains between US-12 and Verona, those backups no longer occur, and suddenly that interchange flows much better. With that being said, Verona is growing quickly and Epic is getting bigger by the day. We'll see how long the current setup works for. Put the over/under at 10 years.
Two lights - the jughandle roundabout and Raymond. (The SPUI doesn't count ;) )

Nevertheless, it is more efficient - I agree with that.  Now if only WisDOT would not post such rediculously low speed limits at traffic lights...

they drop the limit to 40 at the Williamsburg Way Interchange.  (Granted, the ramp is close enough to the Raymond light that you risk crossovers.)

They probably should have grade separated Raymond as well, but other than that the improvements are great.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2984 on: November 12, 2020, 04:42:26 PM »

https://madison.com/wsj/business/congestion-frustration-and-delays-come-to-an-end-as-verona-road-project-nears-completion/article_1eb102f0-bfef-5992-bc24-34f0cc5ff182.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

The Verona Rd. US 18/151 project in Madison is finally coming to an end!
It's the end of an era in Madison. In my entire life I have not known a world where Verona Road was not at least a little bit under construction. That world is now a reality. I drove it a couple weeks ago and it is quite nice. Worth dealing with the construction? Definitely not. But better really late than never.
Now they just need to implement Phase 3

For those wondering - this was planned to be a free-flowing fly-under for Traffic to-from the East Beltline to Verona Road South (replacing the Jughandle Roundabout).  The state scrapped the plans.

I would be shocked if this ever happened. Honestly, phases 1 and 2 are more than adequate to meet the needs for a long time to come.
Right now the current interchange works fine. I think most of the problem during the construction was not the interchange itself, but the lights at Raymond, Williamsburg, and McKee (McKee especially, that was a war zone at rush hour). Southbound cars would back up in those spots at reds, which would then slow down the Beltline interchange even after the reconstruction to its current form. Now that only one light remains between US-12 and Verona, those backups no longer occur, and suddenly that interchange flows much better. With that being said, Verona is growing quickly and Epic is getting bigger by the day. We'll see how long the current setup works for. Put the over/under at 10 years.
Two lights - the jughandle roundabout and Raymond. (The SPUI doesn't count ;) )

Nevertheless, it is more efficient - I agree with that.  Now if only WisDOT would not post such rediculously low speed limits at traffic lights...

they drop the limit to 40 at the Williamsburg Way Interchange.  (Granted, the ramp is close enough to the Raymond light that you risk crossovers.)

They probably should have grade separated Raymond as well, but other than that the improvements are great.

It's pretty smooth sailing through there now. What could sometimes take 15 minutes to go 2 miles now takes 2 minutes. One downside though, if you can call it that, is you don't get the racing off the blocks from the lights that used to be at PD heading towards Verona to see who could get to 65 first, only to get off right away at the first Verona exit.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2985 on: November 13, 2020, 09:08:17 PM »

Since connecting anything to that stub is probably never going to happen, is there any talk of reconfiguring that intersection in a way that would be more suited to thru traffic on 12, or is there no point?

I would say there's no point. There's no safety advantage to do so, and there's no cost savings to do so. The traffic load here isn't that significant either; US-12 roughly doubles in traffic volume north of Hwy 50. WisDOT has higher priorities.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2986 on: November 14, 2020, 10:07:02 PM »

Since connecting anything to that stub is probably never going to happen, is there any talk of reconfiguring that intersection in a way that would be more suited to thru traffic on 12, or is there no point?

I would say there's no point. There's no safety advantage to do so, and there's no cost savings to do so. The traffic load here isn't that significant either; US-12 roughly doubles in traffic volume north of Hwy 50. WisDOT has higher priorities.
Well said. A lot of this thread is about US-12 in some way shape or form, and there's another six page thread also in this board lol. There's a reason why it's all talk. The traffic volumes aren't there.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2987 on: November 14, 2020, 10:53:55 PM »

Since connecting anything to that stub is probably never going to happen, is there any talk of reconfiguring that intersection in a way that would be more suited to thru traffic on 12, or is there no point?

I would say there's no point. There's no safety advantage to do so, and there's no cost savings to do so. The traffic load here isn't that significant either; US-12 roughly doubles in traffic volume north of Hwy 50. WisDOT has higher priorities.

The Wisconsin ADT map does not agree with this assessment.  I see 15,800 south of WI 50 and 21,700 north of WI 50.

The north-south section of 12 between the north end of the freeway and WI 20 is horrible, with the speed limit not exceeding 50 for most of that stretch.  At the least a new two lane alignment with passing lanes should be built.

From recent travels the I-39/I-90 widening is progressing well, with multiple sections complete and all lanes open.  It appears by the start of next year most of the work be completed will be at Beloit, maybe some at Janesville and at the US 12/US 18 interchange, though both of those areas appeared to be fairly close to completion.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2988 on: November 15, 2020, 01:34:53 AM »



Since connecting anything to that stub is probably never going to happen, is there any talk of reconfiguring that intersection in a way that would be more suited to thru traffic on 12, or is there no point?

I would say there's no point. There's no safety advantage to do so, and there's no cost savings to do so. The traffic load here isn't that significant either; US-12 roughly doubles in traffic volume north of Hwy 50. WisDOT has higher priorities.

The Wisconsin ADT map does not agree with this assessment.  I see 15,800 south of WI 50 and 21,700 north of WI 50.

The north-south section of 12 between the north end of the freeway and WI 20 is horrible, with the speed limit not exceeding 50 for most of that stretch.  At the least a new two lane alignment with passing lanes should be built.

At the Illinois border, it's more like 12,000 vpd, and the intersection is already plenty capable of handling the traffic at that intersection, particularly with the new stop light. That intersection is not the choke point in that area. US-12 is only two lanes a significant distance into Illinois, and it will only feed so many vehicles into Wisconsin. Nothing you do short of four-laning the two-lane stretch of US-12 in IL will fundamentally change that situation. 

North of I-43, you don't need to sell me (or any other local) on a reroute and/or 4-laning of US-12. It is stupid busy north of Elkhorn. Literally the only roadblock here is getting WisDOT funding. 

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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2989 on: November 17, 2020, 02:42:40 PM »



Since connecting anything to that stub is probably never going to happen, is there any talk of reconfiguring that intersection in a way that would be more suited to thru traffic on 12, or is there no point?

I would say there's no point. There's no safety advantage to do so, and there's no cost savings to do so. The traffic load here isn't that significant either; US-12 roughly doubles in traffic volume north of Hwy 50. WisDOT has higher priorities.

The Wisconsin ADT map does not agree with this assessment.  I see 15,800 south of WI 50 and 21,700 north of WI 50.

The north-south section of 12 between the north end of the freeway and WI 20 is horrible, with the speed limit not exceeding 50 for most of that stretch.  At the least a new two lane alignment with passing lanes should be built.

At the Illinois border, it's more like 12,000 vpd, and the intersection is already plenty capable of handling the traffic at that intersection, particularly with the new stop light. That intersection is not the choke point in that area. US-12 is only two lanes a significant distance into Illinois, and it will only feed so many vehicles into Wisconsin. Nothing you do short of four-laning the two-lane stretch of US-12 in IL will fundamentally change that situation. 

North of I-43, you don't need to sell me (or any other local) on a reroute and/or 4-laning of US-12. It is stupid busy north of Elkhorn. Literally the only roadblock here is getting WisDOT funding. 

SM-G950U

And that entire 'corner cut' between Elkhorn and Whitewater is pretty much clear going through wide-open flat countryside, only needing to cut through a narrow part of the Kettle Moraine forest hill, which is random mixed sand, gravel and rocks - about as easy physical construction conditions as can be imagined.

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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2990 on: November 17, 2020, 09:50:58 PM »



Since connecting anything to that stub is probably never going to happen, is there any talk of reconfiguring that intersection in a way that would be more suited to thru traffic on 12, or is there no point?

I would say there's no point. There's no safety advantage to do so, and there's no cost savings to do so. The traffic load here isn't that significant either; US-12 roughly doubles in traffic volume north of Hwy 50. WisDOT has higher priorities.

The Wisconsin ADT map does not agree with this assessment.  I see 15,800 south of WI 50 and 21,700 north of WI 50.

The north-south section of 12 between the north end of the freeway and WI 20 is horrible, with the speed limit not exceeding 50 for most of that stretch.  At the least a new two lane alignment with passing lanes should be built.

At the Illinois border, it's more like 12,000 vpd, and the intersection is already plenty capable of handling the traffic at that intersection, particularly with the new stop light. That intersection is not the choke point in that area. US-12 is only two lanes a significant distance into Illinois, and it will only feed so many vehicles into Wisconsin. Nothing you do short of four-laning the two-lane stretch of US-12 in IL will fundamentally change that situation. 

North of I-43, you don't need to sell me (or any other local) on a reroute and/or 4-laning of US-12. It is stupid busy north of Elkhorn. Literally the only roadblock here is getting WisDOT funding. 

SM-G950U

And that entire 'corner cut' between Elkhorn and Whitewater is pretty much clear going through wide-open flat countryside, only needing to cut through a narrow part of the Kettle Moraine forest hill, which is random mixed sand, gravel and rocks - about as easy physical construction conditions as can be imagined.

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So you do the corner cut. Spend a sizeable chunk on it. Now what? A large-scale upgrade of US-12 would require major changes to the Whitewater bypass, a new routing between Lauderdale Lakes and I-43, and a brand new Fort Atkinson bypass. That's a WI-26-scale project. Does US-12 really need it that bad? Does it need it more than the Beltline? More than I-90/94 between the Dells and Tomah?
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2991 on: November 17, 2020, 10:48:39 PM »

So you do the corner cut. Spend a sizeable chunk on it. Now what? A large-scale upgrade of US-12 would require major changes to the Whitewater bypass, a new routing between Lauderdale Lakes and I-43, and a brand new Fort Atkinson bypass. That's a WI-26-scale project. Does US-12 really need it that bad? Does it need it more than the Beltline? More than I-90/94 between the Dells and Tomah?

While this is drifting into fictional, would it be that hard to just start with an improved two lane alignment/corner cut between Whitewater and Elkhorn?  North of Whitewater can wait, though a passing lane or two on County N between US 12 and WI 59 near I-39/I-90 would be nice.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2992 on: November 17, 2020, 11:21:45 PM »

So you do the corner cut. Spend a sizeable chunk on it. Now what? A large-scale upgrade of US-12 would require major changes to the Whitewater bypass, a new routing between Lauderdale Lakes and I-43, and a brand new Fort Atkinson bypass. That's a WI-26-scale project. Does US-12 really need it that bad? Does it need it more than the Beltline? More than I-90/94 between the Dells and Tomah?

While this is drifting into fictional, would it be that hard to just start with an improved two lane alignment/corner cut between Whitewater and Elkhorn?  North of Whitewater can wait, though a passing lane or two on County N between US 12 and WI 59 near I-39/I-90 would be nice.

The US 12 Whitewater bypass was designed with building the 'corner cut' in mind.  Like with that bypass, I would be fine with building it as a 'super two' on an upgradable four lane ROW.

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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2993 on: November 18, 2020, 02:06:29 PM »



Since connecting anything to that stub is probably never going to happen, is there any talk of reconfiguring that intersection in a way that would be more suited to thru traffic on 12, or is there no point?

I would say there's no point. There's no safety advantage to do so, and there's no cost savings to do so. The traffic load here isn't that significant either; US-12 roughly doubles in traffic volume north of Hwy 50. WisDOT has higher priorities.

The Wisconsin ADT map does not agree with this assessment.  I see 15,800 south of WI 50 and 21,700 north of WI 50.

The north-south section of 12 between the north end of the freeway and WI 20 is horrible, with the speed limit not exceeding 50 for most of that stretch.  At the least a new two lane alignment with passing lanes should be built.

At the Illinois border, it's more like 12,000 vpd, and the intersection is already plenty capable of handling the traffic at that intersection, particularly with the new stop light. That intersection is not the choke point in that area. US-12 is only two lanes a significant distance into Illinois, and it will only feed so many vehicles into Wisconsin. Nothing you do short of four-laning the two-lane stretch of US-12 in IL will fundamentally change that situation. 

North of I-43, you don't need to sell me (or any other local) on a reroute and/or 4-laning of US-12. It is stupid busy north of Elkhorn. Literally the only roadblock here is getting WisDOT funding. 

SM-G950U

And that entire 'corner cut' between Elkhorn and Whitewater is pretty much clear going through wide-open flat countryside, only needing to cut through a narrow part of the Kettle Moraine forest hill, which is random mixed sand, gravel and rocks - about as easy physical construction conditions as can be imagined.

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So you do the corner cut. Spend a sizeable chunk on it. Now what? A large-scale upgrade of US-12 would require major changes to the Whitewater bypass, a new routing between Lauderdale Lakes and I-43, and a brand new Fort Atkinson bypass. That's a WI-26-scale project. Does US-12 really need it that bad? Does it need it more than the Beltline? More than I-90/94 between the Dells and Tomah?


As a Wisconsin taxpayer, 100% this! There are so many more pertinent projects worth pursuing than US 12 south of Whitewater. Plus, isn't there an whole other thread dedicated to US 12?  :poke:
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2994 on: November 18, 2020, 02:51:01 PM »

So you do the corner cut. Spend a sizeable chunk on it. Now what? A large-scale upgrade of US-12 would require major changes to the Whitewater bypass, a new routing between Lauderdale Lakes and I-43, and a brand new Fort Atkinson bypass. That's a WI-26-scale project. Does US-12 really need it that bad? Does it need it more than the Beltline? More than I-90/94 between the Dells and Tomah?

Do the corner cut. Then, make incremental upgrades as needed.

Chances are that US-12 between Cambridge and Whitewater won't see dramatic growth anytime soon - certainly not between Fort Atkinson and Whitewater. What growth you see will likely be on County N, Hwy 20, and US-12 south of Whitewater.

A big chunk of the traffic on US-12/Hwy 67 is NOT heading to Whitewater. You've bought 20-30 years of not having to touch anything in the area before the "Now what?" question come back.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2995 on: November 18, 2020, 03:08:12 PM »

There is no longer a need for a US 12 corner cut freeway between Elkhorn and Whitewater as it will never connect to anything regionally. Not sure why some people on here continuously call for it. Upgrade the existing road to a five lane cross section and call it a day. There are bigger issues WisDOT needs to focus on. 
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2996 on: November 18, 2020, 03:59:23 PM »

I don't know much about Wisconsin (I'm more of an observer of this thread for various reasons), but why not simply continuing rounding the corner at WI-20/WI-67 north of Lauderdale Lakes?

The overall route is kind of a right angle, but I doubt a straighter alignment would save more than about 5 minutes. Improving the current roadway seems like a much better option.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2997 on: November 18, 2020, 10:15:44 PM »

There is no longer a need for a US 12 corner cut freeway between Elkhorn and Whitewater as it will never connect to anything regionally. Not sure why some people on here continuously call for it. Upgrade the existing road to a five lane cross section and call it a day. There are bigger issues WisDOT needs to focus on. 

It connects to WI 50, a four lane semi-expressway near the south end, and using County N makes a decent shortcut that can provide an alternative route northwest out of Chicagoland.

I don't know much about Wisconsin (I'm more of an observer of this thread for various reasons), but why not simply continuing rounding the corner at WI-20/WI-67 north of Lauderdale Lakes?

The overall route is kind of a right angle, but I doubt a straighter alignment would save more than about 5 minutes. Improving the current roadway seems like a much better option.

There's a decent amount of development already along the north-south section. 
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2998 on: November 18, 2020, 10:55:42 PM »

I don't know much about Wisconsin (I'm more of an observer of this thread for various reasons), but why not simply continuing rounding the corner at WI-20/WI-67 north of Lauderdale Lakes?

The overall route is kind of a right angle, but I doubt a straighter alignment would save more than about 5 minutes. Improving the current roadway seems like a much better option.

There's a decent amount of development already along the north-south section.

I'm sure you meant to link something else? That's a few shops and certainly not a reason to build a new road.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2999 on: November 20, 2020, 08:41:03 AM »

There is no longer a need for a US 12 corner cut freeway between Elkhorn and Whitewater...

I didn't say freeway. A 2-lane highway north of Elkhorn to the  existing 2-lane Whitewater bypass will be sufficient. Get the ROW for a rural freeway in the event it ever needs additional lanes, but it doesn't need to be 4 lanes.

If you've had to drive the stretch in question on a regular basis, this wouldn't be up for debate.
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