Historic Thomas Brothers Maps (56k warning)

[Bigmikelakers]

Going through some of my old thomas guides and looking at some of the proposed routings and construction of the LA freeway system made me want to scan them and post them on here for you guys.

Never knew about CA 47 being proposed to terminate at the 91.

Thomas Bros Map Circa 1974 Compton/Carson Area by bigmikelakers, on Flickr

Proposed routing of CA 2 Beverly Hills Freeway. Wonder what the interchange with the 101 would have looked like?

Thomas Bros Map Circa 1974 Los Angeles Hollywood Area by bigmikelakers, on Flickr

Old cloverleaf interchange at the I-5/CA-55. Totally rebuilt in the 1990s

Thomas Bros Map Circa 1974 Santa Ana/Tustin Area by bigmikelakers, on Flickr

The proposal for the 105 took a slightly more southern alignment through Hawthorne following 120th St instead of curving northwest towards the intersection of Prarie and Imperial Hwy.

Thomas Bros Map Circa 1974 Inglewood/Hawthorne Area by bigmikelakers, on Flickr

CA 64 Proposed to terminate at the 101.

Thomas Bros Map Circa 1974 Calabasa/Woodland Hills Area by bigmikelakers, on Flickr

Added warning to subject name because of several large file sized images in thread. -- rmf67

[Quillz]

Woah... I knew about CA-64, but I had no idea it was ever proposed to terminate far west of the valley near Hidden Hills. That's very close to where I live. All proposals I remember reading were taking it about 10 miles east, near Reseda. Do you by any chance have the page that would have gone above it? Curious to see how CA-64 was planned to be routed through the valley.

And I believe that CA-47 to this day is still proposed to extend further north to CA-91.

[TheStranger]

Woah... I knew about CA-64, but I had no idea it was ever proposed to terminate far west of the valley near Hidden Hills. That's very close to where I live. All proposals I remember reading were taking it about 10 miles east, near Reseda. Do you by any chance have the page that would have gone above it? Curious to see how CA-64 was planned to be routed through the valley.

And I believe that CA-47 to this day is still proposed to extend further north to CA-91.

I think 47 along the Alameda corridor is in theory supposed go to Route 91, with the portion from Route 91 to I-10 long proposed but probably remaining unbuilt as a state highway.

As for 64, in the valley it would follow Whitnall Street (giving it the name of Whitnall Freeway) to terminate at the 170/5 junction, IIRC.

[Bigmikelakers]

Do you by any chance have the page that would have gone above it? Curious to see how CA-64 was planned to be routed through the valley.

IMG by bigmikelakers, on Flickr


IMG_0001 by bigmikelakers, on Flickr


IMG_0002 by bigmikelakers, on Flickr


IMG_0003 by bigmikelakers, on Flickr


IMG_0004 by bigmikelakers, on Flickr


IMG_0005 by bigmikelakers, on Flickr

[Quillz]

Wow, it's so strange imagining a freeway running straight thorough that portion of the valley, especially in the western half, which today is just comprised of primarily small neighborhood streets.

Would have been interesting if it became reality.

[Bigmikelakers]

If it were up to me I would have had the 64 travel the west end of the valley then turning northwest up around chatsworth to have it meet up at the 210. I think that would have been a nice route for people coming from the Santa Clarita/Palmdale area to reach Woodland Hills.

I also have a 1968 LA regional map which has the 64 proposed down south to meet PCH at the proposed Pacific Coast Freeway.

[Quillz]

The '68 alignment is the one I'm most familiar with. It was supposed to be part of the Laurel Canyon Freeway, right?

I also seem to recall a CA-14 extension down Reseda Blvd. to connect it to PCH. Mileposts on CA-14 near the Newhall Pass are not 0, indicating that this extension is still officially planned, but the exit markers hit 0, indicating it's not going to actually happen.

[Bigmikelakers]

The '68 alignment is the one I'm most familiar with. It was supposed to be part of the Laurel Canyon Freeway, right?

No, the Laurel Canyon Freeway was supposed to be Route 170. It was planned from the 405 La Cienega Bl exit, north through Hollywood, then terminate at the present day 170/101 interchange. I think the wealthy in Laurel Canyon (Hollywood Hills) used their clout to cancel it.

[DTComposer]

I have the '76 Thomas Guide, and the Whitnall Freeway is no longer on the map.

Never knew about CA 47 being proposed to terminate at the 91.

CA-47 is signed on Alameda Street north to CA-91 now. With the Alameda Corridor and pending upgrades to I-710, I think the CA-47 freeway (via the Terminal Island Freeway) idea is off the table. Instead, they're going to make improvements in connecting the Heim Bridge to Alameda Street via Henry Ford Avenue.

Proposed routing of CA 2 Beverly Hills Freeway. Wonder what the interchange with the 101 would have looked like?

Beverly Hills Freeway is still on the '76 map. My understanding is US-101 has a very wide median at that section (now filled in by self-storage business) to accommodate the CA-2 interchange, so I'm guessing it's some sort of dual-freeway design/weave.

[Bigmikelakers]

I want your thomas guide!!! lol

[SimMoonXP]

That funny. If you have any questions about my 1966 Thomas Bros map, then let me know.

[Bigmikelakers]

That funny. If you have any questions about my 1966 Thomas Bros map, then let me know.

What did the 91 through Cerritos look like back then? Was the 91 freeway proposed in Gardena/Torrance as well?

[Bigmikelakers]

Thanks for that. Dairy Valley was the original name of Cerritos until they voted to change it. Funny to see how it grew so fast from 1966 to 1970. I thought the 91 would be proposed as freeway from the 110 to Hermosa Beach though. Thats why I wanted to see that portion.

[Bigmikelakers]

The Houston Freeway is new to me. Maybe it was named after a local area politician? And the Santa Ana Freeway is still the 101!

[SimMoonXP]

It is minor street name as just south of proposed Houston Freeway. Look on Page 10-A2 and  Page 10-D2. Is that helpful for Houston St. (Street) in Orange County Section?

Did you get my question about 1968 San Bernardino County Thomas Guide, the question was "I am wondering what does the 1968 San Bernardino County Key maps looks like?" Because my 1969 Edition (Blue mapbook cover) says "Enlarged Key Maps". It is possible for you can scan or take a picture of the 1968 San Bernardino County Key maps?

[Bigmikelakers]

Thats odd. Wonder why out of all streets they would name it after that particular street?

Do you mean the "Key To Arterial Map Pages" 700 pages?

[SimMoonXP]

Maybe the 1962 mapbook page 10 had an error for wrong freeway name as Houston Freeway... Supposed to called Artesia Freeway.

Page IV to VII in San Bernardino County section. Let me know if you have Riverside County as if it came with that book also.

[Bigmikelakers]

Maybe the 1962 mapbook page 10 had an error for wrong freeway name as Houston Freeway... Supposed to called Artesia Freeway.

Page IV to VII in San Bernardino County section. Let me know if you have Riverside County as if it came with that book also.

Yes I have those pages. Page VI and VII I already posted in another thread. "unknown proposed freeways" IV is just a legend and V is a key to the arterial map pages. Want me to post that? I also have Riverside County too but as a seperate book.

[SimMoonXP]

Yeah, you can post that, as make sure with detail page numbers on the map for SB and Riverside Counties.

I also wondering about Riverside County Page 49 C6/D6. I have seen the website called www.historicalaerials.com showing that area looks like the I-10 had a old interchange nearby 32nd Street in Banning, CA. That ramp is not diamond type. It was torn down around 1969. I am not sure if your mapbook showing that.

I also wondering about San Bernardino Page 69, 71, 145, 146 for US 66/395/I-15 freeway as from Keenbrook to top of Cajon Pass area curve. I know 15 freeway was constructed to 8 lanes freeway around 1969-70 timeframe. I am not sure if your mapbook showing the old curvy 4 lanes alignment on detail map of Thomas Bros map before.

I also wondering about San Bernardino Page 40 for CA-91 old alignment at Green River Road. The 91 8 lanes freeway was constructed around 1969-70 timeframe.

[Bigmikelakers]

Heres the Key to Arterial Map Pages

IMG by bigmikelakers, on Flickr

Heres the Riverside County Page 49

IMG_0001 by bigmikelakers, on Flickr

Heres San Bernardino County Page 69 and 71

IMG_0002 by bigmikelakers, on Flickr

Heres San Bernardino County Page 145 and 146

IMG_0003 by bigmikelakers, on Flickr

Heres the 91 at Green River

IMG_0004 by bigmikelakers, on Flickr

[Bigmikelakers]

We should make this thread the Thomas Guide thread haha.

Yes, I will scan and post them for you.

[Interstate Trav]

Do you have more of San Bernardino County?  The photos I have seen so far are really cool.  Does it have the Yucca Valley-Twentynine Palms Area?

[SimMoonXP]

General Thomas Bros/Guide Collection Question

What years do you have in county?

Pacific Southwest Region (CA & NV):
Alameda Co 1954,57,59,61,63,64,71,73,77,87,89,91-95,97-98,01,04
Alameda & Contra Costa Cos 1953,65,69-70,72,74-80,82-83,85-95,97-09
Alameda & Santa Clara Cos 1980,85-86,93,02-03
Bay Area Metro 1997-09
California Road Atlas 1982-83,85-04,06,08
Central San Joaquin Valley 2005,07,09
Central Valley Cities 1987,89-90,93,96-98
Contra Costa Co 1953,56,60,65,73,92-94,97,99-01,04,06
Contra Costa & Solano Cos 1989
East Bay 1945
Fresno Co 1977,79-80,83-84
Fresno-Madera Cos 2001,03
Golden Gate 1961,65,69,71-95,97-00
Inland Empire Metro 1999-03
Kern Co 1980,82,84,01,03,05,07,09
Kings & Tulare Cos 2001,03
Las Vegas 1998-09
Los Angeles Co 1945-47,49-56,58-63,65-05,08-10
Los Angeles & Orange Cos 1953-61,63-67,69-10,13,15,19,22
Los Angeles & San Bernardino Cos 2007-09
Los Angeles & Ventura Cos 1980-81,83-84,86-92,94-10,13
Marin Co 1951,56,60,74,83-85,87,88,93,95,99-03
Marin & Sonoma Cos 2007
Monterey Co 1976,79-80,83,85,87,89,91,95,00-02,04,06,09
Napa & Solano Cos 1981-82
Napa & Sonoma Cos 2000-03,05,07
Northern San Joaquin Valley 2005,07,09
Orange Co 1952,55,58,60-61,67-71,73,75-09
Orange & Los Angeles Cos 1960,62,64,69,83-84,86,89,93-99,01-04
Reno/Tahoe 2007
Riverside Co 1968,74,76-80,84,87-99,01-10
Riverside & Orange Cos 1996-98,00-01,05-06
Riverside & San Diego Cos 1996-98,00-09
Sacramento Co 1960,63,67,69,71-80,82,84-85,87-09
Sacramento & Solano Cos 1981,87-88,92,95-09
San Bernardino Co 1973,74,76-81,83-85,87-89,91,94-98,00-10
San Bernardino & Riverside Cos 1964,66,68-69,71-73,75-81,83-10,13
San Diego Co 1951,54,56-61,63-65,67-10,13,16,19,22
San Diego & Orange Cos 1979,82-83,85-87,89-91,94-09
San Francisco Co 1953,56,73,77,79,81,84,88-89,91,97,99,01-03
San Francisco & Marin Cos 2004-06,08-09
San Francisco & San Mateo Cos 1989-90,97-98,02-09
San Francisco, Alameda & Contra Costa Cos 1989,90,94-95,97,00
San Joaquin Co 2001,03
San Mateo Co 1956,58,73,81,83,86-88,94,99-02,04
Santa Barbara Co 1972-73,77,79,81-82,84-86,88-92,95-98,00,02-09
Santa Barbara & San Luis Obispo / Ventura Cos 1972-73,75-92,94-09
Santa Clara Co 1955-56,58,69,71-73,77-81,83-84,86,88,90-94,97,99-03,06
Santa Clara & San Mateo Cos 1979,88-89,91-95,97,01-06,08
Solano Co 1986,91,93,95,99-00,02-03
Solano & Sonoma Cos 1984,86,88
Sonoma Co 1953,57,61,71,73-74,77,79,81-82,84,86,88,90,92,95
Sonoma & Marin Cos 1986,90,94
Stanislaus & Merced Cos 2001,03
Ventura Co 1965,66,74,76-81,84,86-92,94-04,06-09

[Bigmikelakers]

I have:

Los Angeles: 1947(Coming Soon in Mail), 1955 (Can't seem to find it), 1973, 1974, 1978, 1988, 1990, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2005, 2007

Orange: 1973, 1974, 1983, 1988, 1980, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2007

Riverside: 1969, 1987?, 1996, 2003, 2006

San Bernardino: 1969, 1987?, 2006

San Diego: 1956(Coming Soon In Mail), 1968, 1987, 1996, 2003

Ventura: 1968 (Can't seem to find it), 1991, 1996, 2005

Santa Barbara/San Luis Obispo: 1991?, 2005 or 06

Kern: 2001

Metro Bay Area: 2000

Alameda: 2006

Sacramento/Solano: 2003

Las Vegas: 2007

Phoenix: 2003, 2006

King County(WA): 2006

Pacific Northwest: 2004?

Washington DC: 2005?

[SimMoonXP]

Pacific Northwest Region (WA & OR):
Island, Skagit & Whatcom Cos 2009
King Co 1955,60,71,74,76,78-79,82,87-88,90,94,00-07
King & Pierce Cos 1979,84,87,92,97,99
King, Pierce & Snohomish Cos 1969,72,74,76,78-81,83,86-90,92,94-99,04-10
King & Snohomish Cos 1974,78-79,81-82,88,90,96,00,01,09
Kitsap County 2008
Metropolitan Puget Sound 2000-03
Pacific Northwest Road Atlas 1999-04,06,10
Pierce Co 1989,94,01,04
Portland Metro 1978,80,82,84,86-87,89-90,92-10
Salem 2008
Snohomish Co 1956,2001,03,07
Spokane and Coeur d'Alene 2008,10

Mountain Region (ID):
Boise & Snake River Valley 2007,10

Northeast Region (D.C., MD, VA & WW):
Anne Arundel Co 1998,00
Anne Arundel & Prince George Cos 2002-03
Baltimore City/Co 2002-03
Baltimore Metro 1999-04,06
Baltimore & Anne Arundel Cos 2006
Caroll & Howard Cos 2006
Frederick Co 1999,01
Frederick & Montgomery Cos 1996
Fredericksburg Area 1997,99
Greater Baltimore 1997
Howard Co 1998,00
Loudoun Co 1998,00,06
Montgomery Co 1998-01
Montgomery & Howard Cos 2002,03
Northern Virginia 1998-04,06,09
Piedmont Area 1996
Prince George Co 1998-00
Prince Williams Co 1998,00
Suburban Virginia 1996,97
Washington, D.C. and portions of Prince George's Co 1996
Washington, D.C. Metro 1998-04,06,09
Western Maryland & Eastern Panhandle West Virginia 1998

Four Corners (AZ):
Arizona Road Atlas 2007
Phoenix Metro 1977-84,86-89,91-92,96,98,01-09
Tucson 2001-08