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Only one stop sign? (On the right side) On an exit ramp

Started by tolbs17, February 25, 2022, 05:15:34 PM

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Max Rockatansky

Quote from: tolbs17 on February 25, 2022, 05:25:19 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 25, 2022, 05:20:43 PM
Why?
For better visibility. The same reason why some signals have double red lights.

For rural freeway exits where there is only a single lane from the exit ramp connecting to an intersecting street?  You do have idea of how much an additional stop sign, post and labor would cost for unnecessary redundancy?

tolbs17

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 25, 2022, 05:55:03 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 25, 2022, 05:25:19 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 25, 2022, 05:20:43 PM
Why?
For better visibility. The same reason why some signals have double red lights.

For rural freeway exits where there is only a single lane from the exit ramp connecting to an intersecting street?  You do have idea of how much an additional stop sign, post and labor would cost for unnecessary redundancy?
Well, see this.

https://goo.gl/maps/rCNHnnFtAygbX3D86

wanderer2575

If you can't figure out that stopping at the top of an exit ramp is a really good idea regardless of signage, I don't want you driving behind me.

tolbs17 must be using a random nitpick topic generator to keep his post counts up.

Dirt Roads

Sorry.  NCDOT has changed over to redundant stop signs sometime in the past 10 years.  In the past, it was only used at intersections in tight right hand turns and in response to frequent accident locations.

hotdogPi

Do the second and third ones in the OP even need stop signs?
Clinched, minus I-93 (I'm missing a few miles and my file is incorrect)

Traveled, plus US 13, 44, and 50, and several state routes

I will be in Burlington VT for the eclipse.

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: tolbs17 on February 25, 2022, 06:02:16 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 25, 2022, 05:55:03 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 25, 2022, 05:25:19 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 25, 2022, 05:20:43 PM
Why?
For better visibility. The same reason why some signals have double red lights.

For rural freeway exits where there is only a single lane from the exit ramp connecting to an intersecting street?  You do have idea of how much an additional stop sign, post and labor would cost for unnecessary redundancy?
Well, see this.

https://goo.gl/maps/rCNHnnFtAygbX3D86

And how is that like the first three examples you gave?  This example has a median island, the others don't.

tolbs17


Max Rockatansky

Quote from: 1 on February 25, 2022, 06:10:24 PM
Do the second and third ones in the OP even need stop signs?

I'd argue that they likely wouldn't.  Hell, I didn't even notice the westbound I-80 Exit to Cummings Skyway lacked one until someone pointed it out to me.

https://flic.kr/p/2mXBmJK

tolbs17

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 25, 2022, 06:14:08 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 25, 2022, 06:02:16 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 25, 2022, 05:55:03 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 25, 2022, 05:25:19 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 25, 2022, 05:20:43 PM
Why?
For better visibility. The same reason why some signals have double red lights.

For rural freeway exits where there is only a single lane from the exit ramp connecting to an intersecting street?  You do have idea of how much an additional stop sign, post and labor would cost for unnecessary redundancy?
Well, see this.

https://goo.gl/maps/rCNHnnFtAygbX3D86

And how is that like the first three examples you gave?  This example has a median island, the others don't.
Because that's what NCDOT did to pretty much all exit ramps prior to the 2000s.

Here's one with NO median island.

https://goo.gl/maps/wnG9P6PqEP42iQHK9

Other states put stop signs on both sides. It's not just North Carolina that does.

Here are examples

https://goo.gl/maps/E1WffdbHJiab6C1H9

https://goo.gl/maps/U9fgyocT3LWEBB5X7

https://goo.gl/maps/8GEqxvp1AsdRtsR4A

https://goo.gl/maps/YY8VrdyWTWegtmMK7

And more on...

FrCorySticha

I would venture there are vastly more rural exits throughout the US with just a single stop sign than those with two (or more). Even the exits into my little rural town have only 1 stop sign at each exit, and I have yet to see or hear about an accident because someone ignored the sign. To duplicate stop signs at every rural exit would be an unnecessary waste of limited highway signage funds. I'd even argue that posting yield signs instead of stop signs at some of the "rural access" exits would be sufficient.

Max Rockatansky

I guess you missed the Exit I posted off of I-80 onto Cummings Skyway if you think every exit in California has dual stop signs.

FrCorySticha

After just a few minutes of scrolling around Google Maps, I came with a bunch of random exits from various Western and Midwestern states:

Montana: https://goo.gl/maps/KyEij5Y47Cj7Wf4w6
North Dakota: https://goo.gl/maps/FeSiEvamh8ngAkcx7
South Dakota: https://goo.gl/maps/qswR9GpppMg5dnXL6
Idaho: https://goo.gl/maps/XxE2GJp2J8TZX6Mp7
Wyoming: https://goo.gl/maps/tDRZjb3541FSXuWJ6
Utah: https://goo.gl/maps/JxhLeAcYDTQCKzz16
Minnesota: https://goo.gl/maps/RgBgwtrbawWDx59W9

Absolutely none of these need double stop signs. The one posted is clear and more than sufficient to get the point across. Yes, other Western states do post double signs, but that doesn't mean it needs to be universal. To posit the opposite, I would argue dual signs at every exit increase "stop sign fatigue". Drivers get so used to seeing them everywhere, they start to ignore them.

tolbs17

Quote from: FrCorySticha on February 25, 2022, 06:20:36 PM
To duplicate stop signs at every rural exit would be an unnecessary waste of limited highway signage funds. I'd even argue that posting yield signs instead of stop signs at some of the "rural access" exits would be sufficient.
Well, this is a very rural area and it has dual stop signs.

https://goo.gl/maps/HhA2sjLkQJzffSPB9

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: tolbs17 on February 25, 2022, 06:35:20 PM
Quote from: FrCorySticha on February 25, 2022, 06:20:36 PM
To duplicate stop signs at every rural exit would be an unnecessary waste of limited highway signage funds. I'd even argue that posting yield signs instead of stop signs at some of the "rural access" exits would be sufficient.
Well, this is a very rural area and it has dual stop signs.

https://goo.gl/maps/HhA2sjLkQJzffSPB9

And every other DOT should do the same because why?

FrCorySticha

Quote from: tolbs17 on February 25, 2022, 06:35:20 PM
Quote from: FrCorySticha on February 25, 2022, 06:20:36 PM
To duplicate stop signs at every rural exit would be an unnecessary waste of limited highway signage funds. I'd even argue that posting yield signs instead of stop signs at some of the "rural access" exits would be sufficient.
Well, this is a very rural area and it has dual stop signs.

https://goo.gl/maps/HhA2sjLkQJzffSPB9
Your definition of "very rural" and my definition of "very rural" are two vastly different things. https://goo.gl/maps/ruRHq6Dm4VEVehvp6

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: FrCorySticha on February 25, 2022, 06:39:50 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 25, 2022, 06:35:20 PM
Quote from: FrCorySticha on February 25, 2022, 06:20:36 PM
To duplicate stop signs at every rural exit would be an unnecessary waste of limited highway signage funds. I'd even argue that posting yield signs instead of stop signs at some of the "rural access" exits would be sufficient.
Well, this is a very rural area and it has dual stop signs.

https://goo.gl/maps/HhA2sjLkQJzffSPB9
Your definition of "very rural" and my definition of "very rural" are two vastly different things. https://goo.gl/maps/ruRHq6Dm4VEVehvp6

You mean to say the world doesn't revolve around North Carolina?

tolbs17

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 25, 2022, 06:38:17 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 25, 2022, 06:35:20 PM
Quote from: FrCorySticha on February 25, 2022, 06:20:36 PM
To duplicate stop signs at every rural exit would be an unnecessary waste of limited highway signage funds. I'd even argue that posting yield signs instead of stop signs at some of the "rural access" exits would be sufficient.
Well, this is a very rural area and it has dual stop signs.

https://goo.gl/maps/HhA2sjLkQJzffSPB9

And every other DOT should do the same because why?
To increase the visibility of seeing the stop sign.

Quote from: FrCorySticha on February 25, 2022, 06:39:50 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 25, 2022, 06:35:20 PM
Quote from: FrCorySticha on February 25, 2022, 06:20:36 PM
To duplicate stop signs at every rural exit would be an unnecessary waste of limited highway signage funds. I'd even argue that posting yield signs instead of stop signs at some of the "rural access" exits would be sufficient.
Well, this is a very rural area and it has dual stop signs.

https://goo.gl/maps/HhA2sjLkQJzffSPB9
Your definition of "very rural" and my definition of "very rural" are two vastly different things. https://goo.gl/maps/ruRHq6Dm4VEVehvp6
I get it now. MUCH more rural and industrial.

FrCorySticha

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 25, 2022, 06:42:40 PM

You mean to say the world doesn't revolve around North Carolina?

Nope. It revolves around Montana. :D

tolbs17

#21
Colorado, Kansas, and New Mexico have VERY rural areas and they use dual stop signs on the exit ramps.

Add South Dakota to the list!

https://goo.gl/maps/J7uQwi2u67ULGCBt5

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: tolbs17 on February 25, 2022, 06:43:35 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 25, 2022, 06:38:17 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 25, 2022, 06:35:20 PM
Quote from: FrCorySticha on February 25, 2022, 06:20:36 PM
To duplicate stop signs at every rural exit would be an unnecessary waste of limited highway signage funds. I'd even argue that posting yield signs instead of stop signs at some of the "rural access" exits would be sufficient.
Well, this is a very rural area and it has dual stop signs.

https://goo.gl/maps/HhA2sjLkQJzffSPB9

And every other DOT should do the same because why?
To increase the visibility of seeing the stop sign.

Quote from: FrCorySticha on February 25, 2022, 06:39:50 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 25, 2022, 06:35:20 PM
Quote from: FrCorySticha on February 25, 2022, 06:20:36 PM
To duplicate stop signs at every rural exit would be an unnecessary waste of limited highway signage funds. I'd even argue that posting yield signs instead of stop signs at some of the "rural access" exits would be sufficient.
Well, this is a very rural area and it has dual stop signs.

So basically you don't have a good reason other than you see it in North Carolina a lot.  How do you weigh the cost of extra signage given there is really no benefit to the traveling public. 

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: FrCorySticha on February 25, 2022, 06:45:13 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 25, 2022, 06:42:40 PM

You mean to say the world doesn't revolve around North Carolina?

Nope. It revolves around Montana. :D

If only that was true...  I really do dig solitude and 75 MPH surface highway speeds.

FrCorySticha




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