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Places isolated from their state that associate more with another state

Started by Roadgeekteen, July 24, 2019, 10:07:14 PM

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Roadgeekteen

Like Northwest Arizona near I-15 are very isolated from the rest of AZ and they associate more with UT.
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Max Rockatansky

The Upper Peninsula of Michigan tends to run more with the Wisconsin types than the Lower Peninsula. 

sprjus4

Northeastern North Carolina towns and cities such as Elizabeth City, Moyock, Currituck County, etc. are closer to Hampton Roads and travel there more frequently than south to metro areas in North Carolina.

A lot of residential development is occurring just over the border in the Moyock / Currituck County area, and a lot of people nowadays move there for the cheaper cost of living, and commute into Virginia daily.

You'll see a decent amount of North Carolina plates when driving in the Hampton Roads area. Not a large amount, but you'll certainly see them here and there.

LM117

Here, it's NC since we literally sit on the border and, as our former mayor put it:

https://www.godanriver.com/business/coca-cola-brand-presence-to-leave-danville/article_cdf6dde4-c989-11e7-a208-4b031dc16128.html

QuoteDanville Mayor John Gilstrap said he hates to see a company leave, but doesn't believe its departure will have a huge effect on the city.

"I do not think it will be a major impact,"  Gilstrap said. "As far as employees, most can easily commute to Greensboro, as many of our residents do."
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oscar

Hyder AK and Point Roberts WA come to mind, both next to British Columbia and isolated from their own states.

For Hyder, the association with BC extends to doing business mainly with Canadian money (because the local bank is across the border in Stewart BC), and having its phone numbers in BC's 250 area code. There is also no road access to Hyder, except through Canada.
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thspfc

Superior, WI
Not really "isolated", but Hudson and the surrounding area are definitely Twin Cities suburbs, as is the Kenosha area with Chicago.

SP Cook

West Virginia's three easternmost counties, attached to the state against their will long ago, have much more in common with Virginia and Maryland.  Unless a resident is involved in something organized on a state basis, like HS athletics or politics or such, a resident of that area will never be in any other part of the state, and v-v.

Similarly, the part of Virginia that is further west than West Virginia, the so called "Fighting 9th District" is far more associated with SE Kentucky, southern WV, and upper east Tennessee than with the rest of Virginia.  Although, like the rest of the state, they all follow the Redskins, even though there are at least three teams closer.  Again, very few people in that area will ever even be in any other part of Virginia. 


Eth

Quote from: SP Cook on July 25, 2019, 09:17:15 AM
Similarly, the part of Virginia that is further west than West Virginia, the so called "Fighting 9th District" is far more associated with SE Kentucky, southern WV, and upper east Tennessee than with the rest of Virginia.  Although, like the rest of the state, they all follow the Redskins, even though there are at least three teams closer.  Again, very few people in that area will ever even be in any other part of Virginia. 



I checked out of curiosity and it looks like some of them may have as many as EIGHT closer NFL teams: Panthers, Falcons, Titans, Bengals, Colts, Browns, Steelers, and if you go all the way to the Tennessee state line on US 58, the Lions are about five miles closer by straight-line distance.

AlexandriaVA

Northern Virginia has more in common with Boston, MA than South Boston, VA, and it's not even close (I picked a quirky example of course). This is my way of saying that close-in Northern VA has everything to do with the Northeastern urbanized corridor, and very little to do with the rural downstate areas.

jp the roadgeek

Fishers Island, NY.  It's 2 miles off the coast of Groton, CT and is closer to Providence geographically than NYC.  It's a member of the Archdiocese of Norwich, plays CT schools in sports, sends its garbage to CT, and even has a CT formatted ZIP code (06390).  However, it falls under Southold jurisdiction for policing, which means police have to take the Orient Point ferry to New London, then take another ferry from there. 
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sprjus4

Quote from: LM117 on July 25, 2019, 05:02:45 AM
"As far as employees, most can easily commute to Greensboro, as many of our residents do."
That's an hour drive each way. I'm sure a lot of people don't do that, maybe some but that's it.

corco

Ontario/Vale/Nyssa Oregon are basically just Idaho. We even used to play them in high school sports

LM117

Quote from: sprjus4 on July 25, 2019, 11:49:50 AM
Quote from: LM117 on July 25, 2019, 05:02:45 AM
"As far as employees, most can easily commute to Greensboro, as many of our residents do."
That's an hour drive each way. I'm sure a lot of people don't do that, maybe some but that's it.

It's not that unbelievable. The local economy here is in the shitter and more jobs have been lost since that article was printed. Telvista shut down not too long ago and IKEA just announced that they're shutting down their plant here in December, which means 300 people are fixing to have a not-so-merry Christmas. A lot of retail jobs have also been lost since then (Kmart, Sears, Toys R Us, Dick's Sporting Goods, Petco, Save-a-Lot, LifeWay Christian Store).

On top of the shitty economy, we pay one of the highest utility rates in the state:

https://www.godanriver.com/business/danville-electric-rates-second-highest-in-state-most-expensive-among/article_9ff60ad6-1377-11e8-8d4e-c701363b5913.html

There's been a proposal to bring in a casino, but the bible-thumpers are raising hell over it. State sen. Bill Stanley opposes the casino, since he thinks it will give the impression that Danville is dying. Newsflash, genius: Danville IS dying! :pan:

https://www.godanriver.com/business/casino-would-send-message-that-danville-is-dying-stanley-says/article_d2d66d08-5a4b-11e9-9356-0376df9b0af5.html
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AlexandriaVA

I'd argue that Danville is dead, not dying, but that's another discussion.

Mark68

I would guess that both Needles & Blythe, CA associate more with Arizona than California.

For that matter, I would probably include Winterhaven as well.
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oscar

Quote from: Mark68 on July 25, 2019, 01:19:19 PM
I would guess that both Needles & Blythe, CA associate more with Arizona than California.

For that matter, I would probably include Winterhaven as well.

But all three are connected by Interstates with the rest of California. Not exactly "isolated".
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Mark68

Quote from: oscar on July 25, 2019, 01:25:48 PM
Quote from: Mark68 on July 25, 2019, 01:19:19 PM
I would guess that both Needles & Blythe, CA associate more with Arizona than California.

For that matter, I would probably include Winterhaven as well.

But all three are connected by Interstates with the rest of California. Not exactly "isolated".

They are isolated in the length of the drive across desert to get to them (especially Needles). Although, in Winterhaven's case, the drive between there and the populated parts of the Imperial Valley is not so bad. However, its location just across the river from Yuma probably is a highly contributing factor to Winterhaven's "isolation".
"When you come to a fork in the road, take it."~Yogi Berra

LM117

Quote from: AlexandriaVA on July 25, 2019, 01:04:32 PM
I'd argue that Danville is dead, not dying, but that's another discussion.

No argument from me. It's toast.
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hotdogPi

The very tip of Long Island (the end of I-495 is not far enough) supports the Red Sox more than the two New York baseball teams. Combined with precinct voting patterns, this makes me think that the tip of Long Island associates with Rhode Island more than New York. I'm not sure, though.
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KEVIN_224

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on July 25, 2019, 11:46:27 AM
Fishers Island, NY.  It's 2 miles off the coast of Groton, CT and is closer to Providence geographically than NYC.  It's a member of the Archdiocese of Norwich, plays CT schools in sports, sends its garbage to CT, and even has a CT formatted ZIP code (06390).  However, it falls under Southold jurisdiction for policing, which means police have to take the Orient Point ferry to New London, then take another ferry from there. 

I'd think Block Island, RI (municipality of New Shoreham, to be technical) would be isolated from the rest of the state, as one has to take the ferry to reach it. I can't think of any place in CT that would fit this topic!

As for the zip code thingy? That IS quite odd! I know that Kittery, ME, along with one or two other towns in southern York County near Portsmouth have zip codes of 039xx. Every other area in Maine has zip codes of 04xxx. All of Connecticut's 169 municipalities use 06xxx, the last time I checked. (05xxx for Vermont and 03xxx for New Hampshire)

gonealookin

Most of Alpine County, CA lies east of the Sierra Crest.  CA 4 is closed all winter and travel over CA 88 is often difficult, though the CA 89 connection to South Lake Tahoe is almost always open.  There are elementary schools in Alpine County but no high school, and high school kids in Markleeville, the county seat, are sent by bus to Douglas High School in Minden, NV.

I would also say "anybody who lives along CA 266 in the Fish Lake Valley" and it's true but you can probably count the permanent residents on your fingers and toes.

TheHighwayMan3561

Quote from: thspfc on July 25, 2019, 08:13:45 AM
Superior, WI

Based on my experiences as a resident I don't really agree. There's a lot of Wisconsin pride in Superior and they're very invested in Wisconsin issues.
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Rothman

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on July 25, 2019, 07:47:57 PM
Quote from: thspfc on July 25, 2019, 08:13:45 AM
Superior, WI

Based on my experiences as a resident I don't really agree. There's a lot of Wisconsin pride in Superior and they're very invested in Wisconsin issues.
True, but the flip side of that is some resentment that Madison doesn't care about anyone north of WI 29.
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webny99

Here's a good one: The NYC area is isolated from the rest of New York state, and associates more with New Jersey and Connecticut.

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Max Rockatansky

Quote from: gonealookin on July 25, 2019, 05:06:24 PM
Most of Alpine County, CA lies east of the Sierra Crest.  CA 4 is closed all winter and travel over CA 88 is often difficult, though the CA 89 connection to South Lake Tahoe is almost always open.  There are elementary schools in Alpine County but no high school, and high school kids in Markleeville, the county seat, are sent by bus to Douglas High School in Minden, NV.

I would also say "anybody who lives along CA 266 in the Fish Lake Valley" and it's true but you can probably count the permanent residents on your fingers and toes.

For most part you could say Mono and Inyo County on the whole are much more like Nevada than the rest of California.  That giant barrier with the High Sierras certainly makes life out there far more different than most of California.  Accessibility is largely along the corridor of US 395 with almost no all-year access across the mountains.



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