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Title: Streets called Chesapeake Street usually in bad condition
Post by: bandit957 on September 26, 2019, 03:29:19 PM
Why is it that in every city or town that has a Chesapeake Street, it seems like it's usually in worse shape than any other street in town? In some cities, it's barely even a street.

It's like how it seems like every town used to have a Front Street but it no longer exists.
Title: Re: Streets called Chesapeake Street usually in bad condition
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 28, 2019, 10:02:29 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on September 26, 2019, 03:29:19 PM
Why is it that in every city or town that has a Chesapeake Street, it seems like it's usually in worse shape than any other street in town? In some cities, it's barely even a street.

It's like how it seems like every town used to have a Front Street but it no longer exists.

The District of Columbia has two Chesapeake Streets - one in the Northwest quadrant (Chesapeake Street, N.W. (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/38.9510235,-77.0808374/38.951045,-77.097976/38.950685,+-77.080268/38.950707,+-77.064378/@38.9504828,-77.0897661,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m22!4m21!1m5!3m4!1m2!1d-77.0889024!2d38.9510442!3s0x89b7c9ed08cafad3:0x34a78ff298786a46!1m5!3m4!1m2!1d-77.088712!2d38.9510468!3s0x89b7c9ed08cafad3:0x34a78ff298786a47!1m3!2m2!1d-77.080268!2d38.950685!1m3!2m2!1d-77.064378!2d38.950707!3e0)) and one in the Anacostia part of the city, Chesapeake Street, S.W. (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/38.8283611,-77.0170556/38.829201,+-77.005981/@38.8300119,-77.0135181,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m7!4m6!1m0!1m3!2m2!1d-77.005981!2d38.829201!3e0) and Chesapeake Street, S.E. (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/38.829205,-77.000482/38.8291246,-76.9912368/@38.8290635,-76.9977406,16z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0)).  Like many streets in D.C. these are not continuous, but I have driven parts of both and they were both in reasonably good condition.
Title: Re: Streets called Chesapeake Street usually in bad condition
Post by: sprjus4 on September 28, 2019, 11:58:42 PM
This is an insult to my city.

Anyways, VA-194 Chesapeake Blvd in Norfolk seems to be in decent shape every time I've been down it.
Title: Re: Streets called Chesapeake Street usually in bad condition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on September 29, 2019, 12:24:28 AM
Aren't a lot of places named after East Coast locales generally among the oldest places in a lot of cities?  I would assume that the "run-down"  factor probably can be attributed to age of roadway.  I'd say that there are far more "Main Streets"  and "Broadways"  in just as bad if not worse shape. 
Title: Re: Streets called Chesapeake Street usually in bad condition
Post by: Beltway on September 29, 2019, 12:34:23 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 28, 2019, 11:58:42 PM
This is an insult to my city.

How do you know he wasn't referring to the Bay?
Title: Re: Streets called Chesapeake Street usually in bad condition
Post by: webny99 on September 30, 2019, 10:40:11 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 28, 2019, 11:58:42 PM
This is an insult to my city.

Personally, I associate "Chesapeake" with Maryland (and the environs of the Chesapeake Bay in general).
Here's a bigger insult, if you want to be insulted: I actually forgot that Chesapeake, VA even existed.
Title: Re: Streets called Chesapeake Street usually in bad condition
Post by: sprjus4 on September 30, 2019, 05:59:29 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 30, 2019, 10:40:11 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 28, 2019, 11:58:42 PM
This is an insult to my city.

Personally, I associate "Chesapeake" with Maryland (and the environs of the Chesapeake Bay in general).
Here's a bigger insult, if you want to be insulted: I actually forgot that Chesapeake, VA even existed.
Not much of an insult really, to be fair, Chesapeake, VA was named after the Bay, and wasn't a city until 1963.

I just associate since I live around here, and have for over a decade. My OP was mostly as a joke.
Title: Re: Streets called Chesapeake Street usually in bad condition
Post by: GCrites on September 30, 2019, 07:36:21 PM
I've noticed that Locust Streets tend to be in bad shape. Also John Streets.
Title: Re: Streets called Chesapeake Street usually in bad condition
Post by: bandit957 on September 30, 2019, 07:38:11 PM
Quote from: GCrites80s on September 30, 2019, 07:36:21 PM
I've noticed that Locust Streets tend to be in bad shape. Also John Streets.

It does seem to be true with these, especially John Street.
Title: Re: Streets called Chesapeake Street usually in bad condition
Post by: Beltway on September 30, 2019, 08:46:05 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 30, 2019, 10:40:11 AM
Personally, I associate "Chesapeake" with Maryland (and the environs of the Chesapeake Bay in general).

About 1/2 of the Bay is in Virginia.
Title: Re: Streets called Chesapeake Street usually in bad condition
Post by: sprjus4 on September 30, 2019, 10:09:25 PM
Quote from: Beltway on September 30, 2019, 08:46:05 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 30, 2019, 10:40:11 AM
Personally, I associate "Chesapeake" with Maryland (and the environs of the Chesapeake Bay in general).

About 1/2 of the Bay is in Virginia.
And the other 1/2 of the Bay is in Maryland.

Looking at it now, I'd say actually it's 1/3 in Virginia, and 2/3 in Maryland.
Title: Re: Streets called Chesapeake Street usually in bad condition
Post by: Beltway on September 30, 2019, 10:31:28 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 30, 2019, 10:09:25 PM
Quote from: Beltway on September 30, 2019, 08:46:05 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 30, 2019, 10:40:11 AM
Personally, I associate "Chesapeake" with Maryland (and the environs of the Chesapeake Bay in general).
About 1/2 of the Bay is in Virginia.
And the other 1/2 of the Bay is in Maryland.
Looking at it now, I'd say actually it's 1/3 in Virginia, and 2/3 in Maryland.
I tried to find surface area data for the two states but could not, at least not after several minutes of searching.

Maryland has almost twice the length, but in terms of surface area, given the width in Virginia and using Cape Henry to Cape Charles as the mouth, they look about equal in surface area.
Title: Re: Streets called Chesapeake Street usually in bad condition
Post by: sprjus4 on September 30, 2019, 11:23:37 PM
Quote from: Beltway on September 30, 2019, 10:31:28 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 30, 2019, 10:09:25 PM
Quote from: Beltway on September 30, 2019, 08:46:05 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 30, 2019, 10:40:11 AM
Personally, I associate "Chesapeake" with Maryland (and the environs of the Chesapeake Bay in general).
About 1/2 of the Bay is in Virginia.
And the other 1/2 of the Bay is in Maryland.
Looking at it now, I'd say actually it's 1/3 in Virginia, and 2/3 in Maryland.
I tried to find surface area data for the two states but could not, at least not after several minutes of searching.

Maryland has almost twice the length, but in terms of surface area, given the width in Virginia and using Cape Henry to Cape Charles as the mouth, they look about equal in surface area.
Fair enough. Doing a very rough measurement using Google's measurement feature, the surface area of Maryland and Virginia's is roughly the same.
Title: Re: Streets called Chesapeake Street usually in bad condition
Post by: Beltway on September 30, 2019, 11:31:21 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 30, 2019, 11:23:37 PM
Quote from: Beltway on September 30, 2019, 10:31:28 PM
I tried to find surface area data for the two states but could not, at least not after several minutes of searching.
Maryland has almost twice the length, but in terms of surface area, given the width in Virginia and using Cape Henry to Cape Charles as the mouth, they look about equal in surface area.
Fair enough. Doing a very rough measurement using Google's measurement feature, the surface area of Maryland and Virginia's is roughly the same.
Given all the estuaries and the irregular coastlines, that would be difficult.  The figure 4,479 square miles is easily findable for the whole bay, but I didn't find a figure for each state.

Then there is the matter of how to count the estuaries (the rivers, small bays and creeks) or whether to count them as bay area.  All of it is tidal, even the Potomac River in downtown D.C. has about 1 foot of tide variation, and that is a long way from the bay.