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Place names that should be spelt differently according to pronounciation

Started by CNGL-Leudimin, November 02, 2023, 06:28:48 AM

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Rothman

Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 03, 2023, 01:51:13 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on November 03, 2023, 12:58:42 AM
Also in Georgia, Houston County is pronounced House-ton, rather than the way the city in Texas is pronounced.

That's the right pronunciation for the spelling though. The Texas one is the outlier here.
See also Houston Street in NYC...

*laments Katz's Deli descent into becoming a huge tourist trap*
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vegas1962

Quote from: 1995hoo on November 02, 2023, 07:40:11 AM
In terms of the OP's query, Buena Vista, Virginia, is another example where the first word is not pronounced as in Spanish. Rio Road in Charlottesville is not pronounced like the city in Brazil; rather, it's pronounced with a long "i," like referring to rye bread with an "o" on the end.

The same thing applies to the northern Michigan town of Mio. Looks like it should be pronounced as "mee-oh" but it's actually pronounced "my-oh."

And I second all the mispronounced names of French origin in and around Detroit alone, not to mention elsewhere in Michigan.

1995hoo

Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 03, 2023, 01:51:13 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on November 03, 2023, 12:58:42 AM
Also in Georgia, Houston County is pronounced House-ton, rather than the way the city in Texas is pronounced.

That's the right pronunciation for the spelling though. The Texas one is the outlier here.

Then you have General Zod, who as I recall pronounced it "Hoo-stun" in Superman II.
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roadman65

Quote from: Rothman on November 03, 2023, 01:53:04 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 03, 2023, 01:51:13 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on November 03, 2023, 12:58:42 AM
Also in Georgia, Houston County is pronounced House-ton, rather than the way the city in Texas is pronounced.

That's the right pronunciation for the spelling though. The Texas one is the outlier here.
See also Houston Street in NYC...

*laments Katz's Deli descent into becoming a huge tourist trap*

That's because it's named after someone who pronounced his name as such. Houston, TX is pronounced Hew Stun because Sam Houston, whom the Texas city is named, pronounced his name differently than the man whom NYC honored pronounced his.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Houstoun_(lawyer)

Here is a link to the lawyer that Houston Street is named for.

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kphoger

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Male pronouns, please.

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epzik8

Quote from: kphoger on November 02, 2023, 11:56:25 AM
Quote from: jlam on November 02, 2023, 11:49:03 AM
Louisville — Pronounced looissvill (not Kentucky's pronunciation)
So how should it be pronounced, then?  If anything, Kentucky's should change.

Kentucky's pronunciation is fine.
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Quote from: vegas1962 on November 03, 2023, 02:55:34 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 02, 2023, 07:40:11 AM
In terms of the OP's query, Buena Vista, Virginia, is another example where the first word is not pronounced as in Spanish. Rio Road in Charlottesville is not pronounced like the city in Brazil; rather, it's pronounced with a long "i," like referring to rye bread with an "o" on the end.

The same thing applies to the northern Michigan town of Mio. Looks like it should be pronounced as "mee-oh" but it's actually pronounced "my-oh.
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Just like Clio, north of Flint.

GaryV

Quote from: epzik8 on November 03, 2023, 04:00:26 PM
Quote from: kphoger on November 02, 2023, 11:56:25 AM
Quote from: jlam on November 02, 2023, 11:49:03 AM
Louisville — Pronounced looissvill (not Kentucky's pronunciation)
So how should it be pronounced, then?  If anything, Kentucky's should change.

Kentucky's pronunciation is fine.

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Dirt Roads

Quote from: golden eagle on November 03, 2023, 12:58:42 AM
Also in Georgia, Houston County is pronounced House-ton, rather than the way the city in Texas is pronounced.

Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 03, 2023, 01:51:13 PM
That's the right pronunciation for the spelling though. The Texas one is the outlier here.

In West Virginia, it is spelt "Hugheston".  And yes, in West Virginia it is acceptable to use the Queen's English "spelt" as part of the Appalachian dialect.  Other than folks in the Down East part of North Carolina, you'all hafta use "spelled" to be correct.

formulanone

Quote from: JayhawkCO on November 03, 2023, 01:42:35 PM
Those are all mild. Buena Vista is just atrocious.

That's the one which makes me want to charge someone back for taking three years of Spanish in high school.

(Just the same, I could have spent the time butchering French or German.)

Rothman

Quote from: roadman65 on November 03, 2023, 03:08:31 PM
Quote from: Rothman on November 03, 2023, 01:53:04 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on November 03, 2023, 01:51:13 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on November 03, 2023, 12:58:42 AM
Also in Georgia, Houston County is pronounced House-ton, rather than the way the city in Texas is pronounced.

That's the right pronunciation for the spelling though. The Texas one is the outlier here.
See also Houston Street in NYC...

*laments Katz's Deli descent into becoming a huge tourist trap*

That's because it's named after someone who pronounced his name as such. Houston, TX is pronounced Hew Stun because Sam Houston, whom the Texas city is named, pronounced his name differently than the man whom NYC honored pronounced his.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Houstoun_(lawyer)

Here is a link to the lawyer that Houston Street is named for.
Baloney.  TX just can't admit that they're wrong.
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kurumi

Quote from: LilianaUwU on November 02, 2023, 08:00:28 AM
Don't get me started on the botched pronunciations of French names in the US.

If I were starting a new city in Texas, I'd spell it "Longueuil", and tell everyone it's pronounced exactly how it's spelled  :popcorn:
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LilianaUwU

Quote from: kurumi on November 03, 2023, 08:17:20 PM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on November 02, 2023, 08:00:28 AM
Don't get me started on the botched pronunciations of French names in the US.

If I were starting a new city in Texas, I'd spell it "Longueuil", and tell everyone it's pronounced exactly how it's spelled  :popcorn:
I believe you'd be tried for crimes against humanity if you did so.
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formulanone

Quote from: LilianaUwU on November 03, 2023, 08:19:19 PM
Quote from: kurumi on November 03, 2023, 08:17:20 PM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on November 02, 2023, 08:00:28 AM
Don't get me started on the botched pronunciations of French names in the US.

If I were starting a new city in Texas, I'd spell it "Longueuil", and tell everyone it's pronounced exactly how it's spelled  :popcorn:
I believe you'd be tried for crimes against humanity if you did so.

Gonna take a crack at it: "long wheel"?

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Quote from: kurumi on November 03, 2023, 08:17:20 PM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on November 02, 2023, 08:00:28 AM
Don't get me started on the botched pronunciations of French names in the US.

If I were starting a new city in Texas, I'd spell it "Longueuil", and tell everyone it's pronounced exactly how it's spelled  :popcorn:

I predict: Lon-gull

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webny99

Quote from: kphoger on November 03, 2023, 03:30:00 PM
Here are some actual ideas:

Tuckson, AZ
Spocain, WA

I am on board with these. Tucson took me years to get right. It's too close to Tuscan (as in Tuscan Garden), and for whatever reason it's almost impossible to differentiate between 'cs' and the more common 'sc' at a quick glance. The latter is also a much more natural pronunciation that blends and rolls off the tongue much easier. Adding a 'k' to make that '-ck' sound stand out would be great.

bwana39

BOGATA (Texas) should be spelled BAGOTA.

B, Short A, G, Long O, T, short a.

Few people read it like aloud like Bogotá is said. They tend to read it as Bo gat a  with both of the a's short.
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kphoger

Quote from: bwana39 on November 04, 2023, 12:37:03 PM
BOGATA (Texas) should be spelled BAGOTA.

B, Short A, G, Long O, T, short a.

Few people read it like aloud like Bogotá is said. They tend to read it as Bo gat a  with both of the a's short.

Interesting.  Apparently, historians aren't sure if the wrong vowel is due to a misspelling on or a misreading of the original submission.
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Male pronouns, please.

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Dirt Roads

Quote from: JayhawkCO on November 03, 2023, 01:42:35 PM
Those are all mild. Buena Vista is just atrocious.

Quote from: formulanone on November 03, 2023, 06:14:45 PM
That's the one which makes me want to charge someone back for taking three years of Spanish in high school.

In Virginia it is worse.  Locals pronounce Buena Vista as "bew-nuh" and they also pronounce Natural Bridge as "natt-chew-lehr".  We also say something similar to that in the Appalachian dialect, but we usually say it is "natch-you-lohr".  I had a hard time making the "lehr" sound correctly, but folks in the James River Gorge still accepted me since the Chesapeake and Ohio was my "home road".

Dirt Roads

Exit 85 on the West Virginia Turnpike has a tough one for you'all:  Chelyan is pronounced "sheel-yun".

JayhawkCO

Quote from: Dirt Roads on November 04, 2023, 03:34:11 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on November 03, 2023, 01:42:35 PM
Those are all mild. Buena Vista is just atrocious.

Quote from: formulanone on November 03, 2023, 06:14:45 PM
That's the one which makes me want to charge someone back for taking three years of Spanish in high school.

In Virginia it is worse.  Locals pronounce Buena Vista as "bew-nuh" and they also pronounce Natural Bridge as "natt-chew-lehr".  We also say something similar to that in the Appalachian dialect, but we usually say it is "natch-you-lohr".  I had a hard time making the "lehr" sound correctly, but folks in the James River Gorge still accepted me since the Chesapeake and Ohio was my "home road".

Assuming your "bew" = "byoo", that's how it's pronounced in Colorado too.

webny99


kphoger

Quote from: webny99 on November 04, 2023, 09:29:59 PM
I say Bway-nah Vis-tah. Is that not right?

Depends on the town, I suppose.

Spanish pronunciation would be something like BWEH-nah BEE-stah

(Spanish e rarely sounds much like English ay, and it's always shorter.)

(Spanish v sounds exactly like Spanish b.  At the beginning of a phrase, the lips are fully closed;  between two vowels, the lips are only half closed.  There's one of each in there.)
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Male pronouns, please.

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