NY 17/"I-86"

[kalvado]

Which part? The removal of NY 17 signs west of US 220?

My understanding is that NYSDOT is going to apply for federal discretionary grants to get more conversion projects funded.  So, if those grants come through, we may actually see more progress on converting NY 17 to I-86.

Of course, I-81 was shot down for an INFRA grant and I haven't heard of any other grants I-81 has been successful in obtaining, so who knows how the fickle FHWA decides who gets funding and who does not.

So, there's a slim chance there may be more movement in a few years.

Which part of I-81 was shot down?  Syracuse thing or something else?

[Rothman]

Which part? The removal of NY 17 signs west of US 220?

My understanding is that NYSDOT is going to apply for federal discretionary grants to get more conversion projects funded.  So, if those grants come through, we may actually see more progress on converting NY 17 to I-86.

Of course, I-81 was shot down for an INFRA grant and I haven't heard of any other grants I-81 has been successful in obtaining, so who knows how the fickle FHWA decides who gets funding and who does not.

So, there's a slim chance there may be more movement in a few years.

Which part of I-81 was shot down?  Syracuse thing or something else?

Pfft.  There is no I-81 outside of Syracuse.

[kalvado]

Which part? The removal of NY 17 signs west of US 220?

My understanding is that NYSDOT is going to apply for federal discretionary grants to get more conversion projects funded.  So, if those grants come through, we may actually see more progress on converting NY 17 to I-86.

Of course, I-81 was shot down for an INFRA grant and I haven't heard of any other grants I-81 has been successful in obtaining, so who knows how the fickle FHWA decides who gets funding and who does not.

So, there's a slim chance there may be more movement in a few years.

Which part of I-81 was shot down?  Syracuse thing or something else?

Pfft.  There is no I-81 outside of Syracuse.

As I said, I fully expect viaduct to collapse before something happened.
On a separate note, someone in DC told me that there is no life outside of the beltway...

[cockroachking]

NY-17 EIS, Orange and Sullivan Counties
Exit 122 Phase 2

Fingers crossed.

[Rothman]

NY-17 EIS, Orange and Sullivan Counties
Exit 122 Phase 2

Fingers crossed.

Eesh.  "Future Development" status.  Must be obsolete information.

[seicer]

Gotcha - I wish there were project plans posted on NYSDOT's website. I would assume it would be projects that were more easily achievable - excluding the Hale Eddy segment.

[cl94]

The Exit 122 project is basically a mirror of what was done on the EB side. The stub for the future ramps is there.

[Rothman]

Gotcha - I wish there were project plans posted on NYSDOT's website. I would assume it would be projects that were more easily achievable - excluding the Hale Eddy segment.

There aren't going to be plans for projects marked for future development.  By the way, that's a PR term and I am wondering what the real project status is.  Either way, if still considered a program candidate or in development, no work on the project has been done at all (not even scoping or preliminary design).

[vdeane]

That description for the exit 122 project is kinda hokey.

The work will include moving and replacing the Crystal Run Road over State Route 17 bridge to a location closer to the WallKill River.

They just did that for the first part of the project a decade ago.

[seicer]

For Hale Edd

Gotcha - I wish there were project plans posted on NYSDOT's website. I would assume it would be projects that were more easily achievable - excluding the Hale Eddy segment.

There aren't going to be plans for projects marked for future development.  By the way, that's a PR term and I am wondering what the real project status is.  Either way, if still considered a program candidate or in development, no work on the project has been done at all (not even scoping or preliminary design).

For Hale Eddy? I saw what looked like preliminary plans that showed the preferred alignment generally on the north side of NY 17. I can't find those pages anymore.

[Rothman]

For Hale Edd

Gotcha - I wish there were project plans posted on NYSDOT's website. I would assume it would be projects that were more easily achievable - excluding the Hale Eddy segment.

There aren't going to be plans for projects marked for future development.  By the way, that's a PR term and I am wondering what the real project status is.  Either way, if still considered a program candidate or in development, no work on the project has been done at all (not even scoping or preliminary design).

For Hale Eddy? I saw what looked like preliminary plans that showed the preferred alignment generally on the north side of NY 17. I can't find those pages anymore.

Not sure if Hale Eddy started before NYSDOT went to Preservation First.  By now, I'd imagine they hit the old 10 year PE rule (which may have been recently repealed, thank goodness).

[seicer]

I'll be damned - it's still up but it's from 2009. What do you mean by the PE rule?

https://www.dot.ny.gov/portal/page/portal/regional-offices/region9/projects/nys-rte17-hale_eddy-hancock/project-documentation

[Rothman]

I'll be damned - it's still up but it's from 2009. What do you mean by the PE rule?

https://www.dot.ny.gov/portal/page/portal/regional-offices/region9/projects/nys-rte17-hale_eddy-hancock/project-documentation

My word, look at the dates on there.  Lots of crap on the site, it seems.

FHWA had a rule that projects had to progress to ROW acquisition or construction within 10 years of engineering authorization or you had to pay the engineering back.

[webny99]

Which part of I-81 was shot down?  Syracuse thing or something else?

Pfft.  There is no I-81 outside of Syracuse.

To be fair... if the project progresses as planned, there will be no I-81 in Syracuse either.

[Rothman]

Which part of I-81 was shot down?  Syracuse thing or something else?

Pfft.  There is no I-81 outside of Syracuse.

To be fair... if the project progresses as planned, there will be no I-81 in Syracuse either.

Sure, there will.  It'll still clip the southeast corner of Syracuse.

[TMETSJETSYT]

As of 2022, in Western NY, most of the overhead signs on NY-17 or I-86 just say I-86 now, and not NY-17. Personally, I have been traveling on NY-17 for a while now, and I would hate to see it get phased out. My grandpa said when he used to go from CT to western NY, he would travel on 17 (aka the Quickway) and every time he would travel it, there would be a new exit and it would be built further. I think that they should either still keep the 17 signs with the 86 signs, or do something like a historic route 17 because it is the longest state route in NY.

[yakra]

If you ever plan to motor west...

[GreenLanternCorps]

Will be riding on I-86 today going with my son’s Boy Scout troop to summer camp in the Catskills for this week.  Looks like we will drive all of the officially signed portion of I-86.

Will see if I see anything noteworthy.

[Mergingtraffic]

Will this sign be replaced before they are allowed to take off the I-86 overlay?

[empirestate]

I think that they should either still keep the 17 signs with the 86 signs, or do something like a historic route 17 because it is the longest state route in NY.

You're welcome to join my 20-year-old initiative to Preserve NY 17.

[Roadgeek Adam]

NYSDOT is not a fan of the historic signs. As is the one on US 20 in Alden is an Alden installation.

[cl94]

NYSDOT is not a fan of the historic signs. As is the one on US 20 in Alden is an Alden installation.

Yeah, the 20 ones elsewhere in the state have been taken down. I don't know why Region 5 is letting the Alden ones stick around.

[TMETSJETSYT]

Will be riding on I-86 today going with my son's Boy Scout troop to summer camp in the Catskills for this week.  Looks like we will drive all of the officially signed portion of I-86.

I will be traveling 17-86 from junction with I-390 to Junction with I-84. Ill get pictures of new signage or anything new for I-86.

[Roadgeek Adam]

NYSDOT is not a fan of the historic signs. As is the one on US 20 in Alden is an Alden installation.

Yeah, the 20 ones elsewhere in the state have been taken down. I don't know why Region 5 is letting the Alden ones stick around.

I personally find Historic 20 shields on 20 itself a bit stupid. Old alignment of 20? Fine. Current 20? Not so amazing.

[Alps]

NYSDOT is not a fan of the historic signs. As is the one on US 20 in Alden is an Alden installation.

Yeah, the 20 ones elsewhere in the state have been taken down. I don't know why Region 5 is letting the Alden ones stick around.

I personally find Historic 20 shields on 20 itself a bit stupid. Old alignment of 20? Fine. Current 20? Not so amazing.

ask the person who is responsible who is a forum member and will read this