Could hurricane names (both Atlantic and Pacific) be changed? At least it would be interesting if there were several lists used in each season. Or, the lists would be continued from where previous seasons left off and not start again from A.
Hurrican Sault Sainte John Madden and Booger Queen, I think this is needed.
Official names for winter storms in US.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 24, 2023, 08:44:26 AM
Official names for winter storms in US.
That's been rejected because you can't tell when one ends and the next starts.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 10:53:07 AM
They shouldn't have names at all. Just A,B,C...etc, because you know what if the biggest Cat 5 one ends up getting a male name? Isn't that sexist? What if all the male names end up being 3d and 4s and the female names 1s and 2s? Just Letters would eliminate that form of bigotry.
How are alternating male and female names for non-living weather entities a form of bigotry?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 24, 2023, 10:56:06 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 10:53:07 AM
They shouldn't have names at all. Just A,B,C...etc, because you know what if the biggest Cat 5 one ends up getting a male name? Isn't that sexist? What if all the male names end up being 3d and 4s and the female names 1s and 2s? Just Letters would eliminate that form of bigotry.
How are alternating male and female names for non-living weather entities a form of bigotry?
It's not sexist, but I could see the argument (that I haven't seen anyone make and that I disagree with anyway) that it's prejudiced against rarer starting letters (assuming having it match your name is a bad thing), since it's starting to get a bit hard to find new names starting with I after several retirements since the obvious ones have been used.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 24, 2023, 08:44:26 AM
Official names for winter storms in US.
The private sector in the USA already covers that. It's what the "weather" channel is there for to handle.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 24, 2023, 10:56:06 AM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 10:53:07 AM
They shouldn't have names at all. Just A,B,C...etc, because you know what if the biggest Cat 5 one ends up getting a male name? Isn't that sexist? What if all the male names end up being 3d and 4s and the female names 1s and 2s? Just Letters would eliminate that form of bigotry.
How are alternating male and female names for non-living weather entities a form of bigotry?
It's not sexist, but I could see the argument (that I haven't seen anyone make and that I disagree with anyway) that it's prejudiced against rarer starting letters (assuming having it match your name is a bad thing), since it's starting to get a bit hard to find new names starting with I after several retirements since the obvious ones have been used.
The funny thing about the I names as they've gotten more common thru the retirements. The first two retired were Ione and Inez. I've never heard of someone with those first names, and Inez is much more common as a last name (like the Alice in Chains/Ozzy Osbourne bassist).
My C-namesake is always a fart in a windstorm every six years. Your name on the other hand got retired long ago after being one of the worst hurricanes ever.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 02:36:33 PM
BTW, that was sarcasm :-D
Hopefully your entire forum activity is sarcasm
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 02:36:33 PM
BTW, that was sarcasm :-D
Hopefully your entire forum activity is sarcasm
No, absolutely not. I strained my eyes making those interstate plans yesterday
That's a lot of effort to put it for everyone to just laugh at them.
Shouldn't that prove I'm not trying to troll? I wouldn't waste my effort like that and there are easier ways I could have made those maps funny. But I took the time to actually trace out the exact routes the highways would run along, every curve, every change in direction..etc (to be brutally honest even Fritz's maps weren't as topographicaly accurate). With the exception of I-80 in SF, I don't bulldoze through buildings and put 10 numbers on one road just so every single number stretches across the country.
Alan360
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Alan360
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Don't forget about Dzlasbe or whatever. And Ethanman.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 03:47:13 PM
every curve, every change in direction
What's the speed limit on those curves?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 04:24:06 PM
Depending on the sharpness, either 67 mph, 75 mph, or 83 mph, with speed ticket cameras that trigger at the next prime number.
75 isn't a prime number.
The speed cameras would ticket at the next prime number, the speed limits don't have to be prime, 75 is too nice and even a benchmark to resist, and 67 and 83 are both prime while evenly spaced from 75. And Ethanman's VA I-366 should have an 83 mph speed limit, not 85.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 04:29:12 PM
The speed cameras would ticket at the next prime number, the speed limits don't have to be prime, 75 is too nice and even a benchmark to resist, and 67 and 83 are both prime while evenly spaced from 75. And Ethanman's VA I-366 should have an 83 mph speed limit, not 85.
What's so special about prime numbers? And what does this have to do with weather or hurricanes?
This thread became a 157 mph Category 5 Shitshow.
While we're on the topic of hurricanes, the category division wind speed thresholds are laughable. You go from 75 to 95 mph winds, the same category, but going from 110 to 130 mph winds is a two category difference. And where the hell did they get 157 from?
I say, the categories should be as follows:
Tropical Storm: 50 mph sustained winds
Cat 1: 75 mph sustained winds
Cat 2: 100 mph sustained winds
Cat 3: 125 mph sustained winds
Cat 4: 150 mph sustained winds
Cat 5: 175 mph sustained winds
Hypothetical Cat 6: 200+ mph winds
And sustained should mean winds for a minimum of 10 minutes at that speed, not 1 minute.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 24, 2023, 04:36:52 PM
What's so special about prime numbers?
They're ridiculous?
Speed limits should match numbers that are actually on people's speedometers–or at least line up with the tick marks in between.
Also, compare the mental math involved:
Scenario 1:
90 miles to go, speed limit 75 mph
90 ÷ 75 = 1.2
1.2 x 60 = 60 + (0.2)x(60)
60 + 12 = 72 minutes to go
Scenario 2:
90 miles to go, speed limit 73 mph
90 ÷ 73 = ummmmmmm.............
I give up.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 24, 2023, 04:36:52 PM
And what does this have to do with weather or hurricanes?
Nothing, of course.
Or you could just go 90 mph, 1 hour exactly.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 04:47:30 PM
While we're on the topic of hurricanes, the category division wind speed thresholds are laughable. You go from 75 to 95 mph winds, the same category, but going from 110 to 130 mph winds is a two category difference. And where the hell did they get 157 from?
I say, the categories should be as follows:
Tropical Storm: 50 mph sustained winds
Cat 1: 75 mph sustained winds
Cat 2: 100 mph sustained winds
Cat 3: 125 mph sustained winds
Cat 4: 150 mph sustained winds
Cat 5: 175 mph sustained winds
Hypothetical Cat 6: 200+ mph winds
And sustained should mean winds for a minimum of 10 minutes at that speed, not 1 minute.
Once upon a time, I questioned this too. I believe the Saffir-Simpson scale doesn't scale to wind speed per se, but instead the amount of damage the winds in that category do. The difference in destructive power between 110 and 130 mph is a lot higher than the difference between 75 and 95.
And in other parts of the world, they do classify hurricanes by their 10-minute sustained winds. I personally think 1 minute is fine for measuring them though.
That's interesting, I always thought that once you crossed 80-90 mph winds, that's when the real risk of having your car pushed off the road/trees toppling/roof starting to peel off risk begins.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 05:34:19 PM
trees toppling
30 mph. I would even say it's possible at 25 mph sustained.
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This thread became a 157 mph Category 5 Shitshow.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 04:47:30 PM
While we're on the topic of hurricanes, the category division wind speed thresholds are laughable. You go from 75 to 95 mph winds, the same category, but going from 110 to 130 mph winds is a two category difference. And where the hell did they get 157 from?
MMM. Very disappointed in you. I literally lobbed this one to you and you completely whiffed at what I, and the NWS, did there.
Alan
Booger Queen
Carhorn
Hypotenuse
Immigration Freedomway
John Madden
Limon
Microsoft
Perkins
Quote from: 1 on February 24, 2023, 05:34:46 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 05:34:19 PM
trees toppling
30 mph. I would even say it's possible at 25 mph sustained.
We have 30 mph sustained winds here all the time and it doesn't affect the trees any. We probably have less fragile trees than you do, though.
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 05:34:19 PM
trees toppling
30 mph. I would even say it's possible at 25 mph sustained.
We have 30 mph sustained winds here all the time and it doesn't affect the trees any. We probably have less fragile trees than you do, though.
Yeah, I was like, what? When I was growing up in western Kansas, sustained 30 mph wind was called "light breezes" on the weather forecast.
I just perused the following link to get an insight on the name issue:
https://time.com/6218275/strongest-hurricanes-us-map/
Of the nine Category 4 and 5 hurricanes named on the map, six are masculine (Andrew, Charley, Harvey, Hugo, Ian, Michael) and three feminine (Ida, Irma, Laura). Sure, Katrina caused catastrophic damage in New Orleans and elsewhere on the Gulf Coast, but she was only a Category 3, and thus left off the list.
Q, U, X, Y and Z should be added to Atlantic lists and Q and U to Pacific lists. There would be only two rotating names, like Pacific X, Y and Z, which are Xina, York, Zelda in odd-numbered years and Xavier, Yolanda, Zeke in even-numbered years.
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Alan360
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MultiMillionMiler
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Don't forget about Dzlasbe or whatever. And Ethanman.
tolbs17
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Alan360
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Crash_It (who is also Barf)
MultiMillionMiler
Poiponen13
Don't forget about Dzlasbe or whatever. And Ethanman.
tolbs17
He's not banned but Highwaystar as well. Maybe kernals12 but he's not as bad.
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Alan360
Barf
Crash_It (who is also Barf)
MultiMillionMiler
Poiponen13
Don't forget about Dzlasbe or whatever. And Ethanman.
tolbs17
He's not banned but Highwaystar as well. Maybe kernals12 but he's not as bad.
Kernals is pretty detestable. He also managed to get himself kicked off of Reddit somehow.
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Alan360
Barf
Crash_It (who is also Barf)
MultiMillionMiler
Poiponen13
Don't forget about Dzlasbe or whatever. And Ethanman.
tolbs17
He's not banned but Highwaystar as well. Maybe kernals12 but he's not as bad.
Kernals is pretty detestable. He also managed to get himself kicked off of Reddit somehow.
Probably by threatening someone who says that maybe Phoenix needs a bit more transit instead of expanding I-10 to 20 lanes. The dude was obsessed with Phoenix, and like nobody else really likes Phoenix.
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Alan360
Barf
Crash_It (who is also Barf)
MultiMillionMiler
Poiponen13
Don't forget about Dzlasbe or whatever. And Ethanman.
tolbs17
He's not banned but Highwaystar as well. Maybe kernals12 but he's not as bad.
Kernals is pretty detestable. He also managed to get himself kicked off of Reddit somehow.
Probably by threatening someone who says that maybe Phoenix needs a bit more transit instead of expanding I-10 to 20 lanes. The dude was obsessed with Phoenix, and like nobody else really likes Phoenix.
Ehhh...I've found Phoenix has a lot of hobby interest given that there is a lot of new corridor construction in the area. He also has a weird thing about Houston for some reason. Some other notable kernals incidents include the California-hate boner rants and the pro-global warming advocacy. The global warming stance was born out of the fact they Kernals can't seem to make it down a sidewalk without tripping if memory serves correctly.
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Alan360
Barf
Crash_It (who is also Barf)
MultiMillionMiler
Poiponen13
Don't forget about Dzlasbe or whatever. And Ethanman.
tolbs17
He's not banned but Highwaystar as well. Maybe kernals12 but he's not as bad.
Kernals is pretty detestable. He also managed to get himself kicked off of Reddit somehow.
Probably by threatening someone who says that maybe Phoenix needs a bit more transit instead of expanding I-10 to 20 lanes. The dude was obsessed with Phoenix, and like nobody else really likes Phoenix.
Ehhh...I've found Phoenix has a lot of hobby interest given that there is a lot of new corridor construction in the area. He also has a weird thing about Houston for some reason. Some other notable kernals incidents include the California-hate boner rants and the pro-global warming advocacy.
Roadgeeks like Phoenix due to its massive number of highways. Many others do not because the city appears to be designed in a way that creates the most CO2 emissions possible. And yeah Kernals global warming rants where he displays MMM level knowledge of science are pretty bad as well.
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Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 24, 2023, 03:50:39 PM
Alan360
Barf
Crash_It (who is also Barf)
MultiMillionMiler
Poiponen13
Don't forget about Dzlasbe or whatever. And Ethanman.
tolbs17
He's not banned but Highwaystar as well. Maybe kernals12 but he's not as bad.
Kernals is pretty detestable. He also managed to get himself kicked off of Reddit somehow.
Probably by threatening someone who says that maybe Phoenix needs a bit more transit instead of expanding I-10 to 20 lanes. The dude was obsessed with Phoenix, and like nobody else really likes Phoenix.
Ehhh...I've found Phoenix has a lot of hobby interest given that there is a lot of new corridor construction in the area. He also has a weird thing about Houston for some reason. Some other notable kernals incidents include the California-hate boner rants and the pro-global warming advocacy.
Roadgeeks like Phoenix due to its massive number of highways. Many others do not because the city appears to be designed in a way that creates the most CO2 emissions possible. And yeah Kernals global warming rants where he displays MMM level knowledge of science are pretty bad as well.
That's why we need those helicopters. To transport autos from point A to point B without them using all those individual motors to emit such co2s. One chopper can haul 3 cars from one end o Phoenix to another end. 2 less motors to run.
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Alan360
Barf
Crash_It (who is also Barf)
MultiMillionMiler
Poiponen13
Don't forget about Dzlasbe or whatever. And Ethanman.
tolbs17
He's not banned but Highwaystar as well. Maybe kernals12 but he's not as bad.
Kernals is pretty detestable. He also managed to get himself kicked off of Reddit somehow.
Probably by threatening someone who says that maybe Phoenix needs a bit more transit instead of expanding I-10 to 20 lanes. The dude was obsessed with Phoenix, and like nobody else really likes Phoenix.
Ehhh...I've found Phoenix has a lot of hobby interest given that there is a lot of new corridor construction in the area. He also has a weird thing about Houston for some reason. Some other notable kernals incidents include the California-hate boner rants and the pro-global warming advocacy.
Roadgeeks like Phoenix due to its massive number of highways. Many others do not because the city appears to be designed in a way that creates the most CO2 emissions possible. And yeah Kernals global warming rants where he displays MMM level knowledge of science are pretty bad as well.
That's why we need those helicopters. To transport autos from point A to point B without them using all those individual motors to emit such co2s. One chopper can haul 3 cars from one end o Phoenix to another end. 2 less motors to run.
We should build dedicated paths for big long cars to go on which carry many people. These paths will ensure no traffic.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 25, 2023, 06:08:46 PM
the ocean has been in the same spot for the last 50 years.
(https://www.climate.gov/sites/default/files/2022-07/ClimateDashboard-global-sea-levels-graph-20220718-1400px.jpg)
Source: https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-sea-level
Weren't you all spun up about global warming this week?
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 25, 2023, 08:06:28 PM
I've always felt it was an exaggeration, but frankly, the recent "protests" over it that sometimes block traffic, slash tires, dump milk all over the floor of stores that hungry kids could use, and vandalize shops/cars, have lost control. Not to mention the states trying to ban gas powered cars. Meanwhile those people don't realize that half the accessories they use were made in ways that may have harmed the environment. Climate change is not the most important issue on this planet.
What the fuck does any of this have to do with hurricane names?
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 24, 2023, 06:01:54 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 24, 2023, 05:34:46 PM
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 05:34:19 PM
trees toppling
30 mph. I would even say it's possible at 25 mph sustained.
We have 30 mph sustained winds here all the time and it doesn't affect the trees any. We probably have less fragile trees than you do, though.
I live close enough to
1 to know that 30 MPH doesn't wholesale topple trees in this area, at least not the healthy ones. Getting over 40 MPH sustained and yeah that's when even healthy ones can start reaching the problem area. Especially white pines and oaks, the most common things in eastern Massachusetts and amazingly the weakest things despite being so common.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 25, 2023, 08:21:31 PM
I would lobby for any hurricane that's heading toward the Candian Maritimes or the general northwest direction of the artic to be named "souky".
This is the equivalent of Hitler making fun of Stalin.
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 25, 2023, 08:21:31 PM
I would lobby for any hurricane that's heading toward the Candian Maritimes or the general northwest direction of the artic to be named "souky".
This is the equivalent of Hitler making fun of Stalin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 24, 2023, 07:36:34 AM
Hurrican Sault Sainte John Madden and Booger Queen, I think this is needed.
I saw this thread and knew you'd be there with those names.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on February 26, 2023, 08:32:02 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 24, 2023, 07:36:34 AM
Hurrican John Madden and Booger Queen, I think this is needed.
I saw this thread and knew you'd be there with those names.
You know me, I have to do my part.
Every hurricane season should have a storm called Breezewood. Hugely appropriate.
Sports figures: how about Harry Kane
More sports:
Hurricane Aaron
Hurricane Yordan
Hurricane Lebron
Not sports:
Hurricane Monowi
Hurricane Hunty2022
How about Hurricanes named after towns called Hurricane?
Maybe AARoads should have their own naming list for next season's winter storms. It would not feature forum usernames, but given names.
I nominate Hurricane Sault Sainte John Madden.
I asked elsewhere if there has ever been a hurricane with the same name as the governor of a state the hurricane hit. I was told that Bob in 1985 (Florida) qualifies (and I can confirm that it's accurate). Any others?
What if we do it the same way as a California license plate? We won't run out of names for a very long time, and if we somehow do, just reverse the format.
Hurricane 1AAA000
Hurricane 9ZZZ999
Hurricane 000AAA1
Hurricane 999ZZZ9
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I nominate Hurricane John Madden.
No.
I think this is needed.
I tell naming systems around the world:
Australia uses names in alphabetical order with continiung previous year's list for new season in both Australian region and South Pacific[size=78%].[/size]
North Indian Ocean uses names submitted by countries similar to Australia. (not in alphabetical order).Western Pacific typhoon season do the same as above.South-West Indian Ocean uses names in alphabetical order in yearly lists like Atlantic and Pacific. All used names in any given season are automatically retired.South Atlantic uses names from one, now three lists which name the storms forming rarely, approximately one to two in any given local summer (from July to June). Could these systems be used in Atlantic and Pacific hurricanes, or your winter storms? Other cool systems are naming of subtropical storms by NATO phonetic alphabet (as used in Atlantic in 1972 and 1973), and some mini-list alongside larger lists (as in Central Pacific, Indonesia and Papua New Guinea).
Name them after large corporations–kind of like corporate sponsorship of sports stadiums/tournaments, but with added death and destruction.
Hurricane ExxonMobil
Hurricane Walmart
Hurricane Samsung
Hurricane Cargill
Hurricane Berkshire Hathaway
Hurricane Mitsubishi
Hurricane Alphabet Inc.
Hurricane 中国建筑集团有限公司
We could start using names from a specific language, changing each year. I nominate Finnish for the first round.
Quote from: kphoger on August 30, 2023, 11:57:08 AM
Name them after large corporations–kind of like corporate sponsorship of sports stadiums/tournaments, but with added death and destruction.
Hurricane ExxonMobil
Hurricane Walmart
Hurricane Samsung
Hurricane Cargill
Hurricane Berkshire Hathaway
Hurricane Mitsubishi
Hurricane Alphabet Inc.
Hurricane 中国建筑集团有限公司
Hurricane Flannery which is named in honor of this flan association group apparently disrupting the peace in Solano County:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=33699.msg2865729#msg2865729
North American sports team names rendered in the singular (e.g., sticking with alphabetical order, Hurricane Avalanche, Hurricane Bruin, Hurricane Coyote). If the league chosen for a particular year doesn't have a team named with a particular letter, you just skip that letter that year.
Lends itself to fun when you get to the "H" team in the league to which I was just referring with those examples.
Quote from: GaryV on August 30, 2023, 12:18:33 PM
We could start using names from a specific language, changing each year. I nominate Finnish for the first round.
Finland names every storm that form on any given year by name which appears on calendars on that day. For example, the storm which hit on August 8 was named Sylvia, because that day had name Sylvia on calendars. If a storm formed today, it would be named Eemeli, or on May 17, Sault Sainte John Madden (really, not a joke because Sault Sainte John Madden is on calendars [Booger Queen is not]).
It's been several months. How is your relationship with John Madden going?
Quote from: 1 on August 30, 2023, 01:04:04 PM
It's been several months. How is your relationship with John Madden going?
Sault Sainte John Madden (https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sault%20Sainte%20John%20Madden) is a Finnish female name. Its name day is May 17.
Maybe names which have been retired more than 50 years ago could have been put back to new lists. It's been so much from these years so many people have forgotten them, or will have forgotten by 2050, so lists from 2050 onwards could include these names. Such names are e.g. Carol, Hazel, Connie, Audrey, Hattie, Betsy and Camille.
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 30, 2023, 12:41:06 PM
North American sports team names rendered in the singular (e.g., sticking with alphabetical order, Hurricane Avalanche, Hurricane Bruin, Hurricane Coyote). If the league chosen for a particular year doesn't have a team named with a particular letter, you just skip that letter that year.
Lends itself to fun when you get to the "H" team in the league to which I was just referring with those examples.
Too bad this wasn't in place so we could have Hurricane Football Team.
I have an idea: wildfires, floods, heat waves and cold waves should also receive names from lists because they also can be strong and behave similarly to hurricanes.
Why though? The whole convention of naming hurricanes at best is of a nominal benefit. The infamy of the 1935 Labor Day Hurricane and 1928 Lake Okeechobee Hurricane were very well known when I lived in South Florida. Giving those two hurricanes human names accomplishes what?
California does name wildfires. I've never bothered to find out what protocol they use for selecting the names.
The best I can tell is that they are named after a nearby geographic feature. The "Caldor Fire" was named after the ghost town of Caldor as an example. The names are nonsensical enough that it is often easier to refer to them as "the fire by x city."
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 31, 2023, 11:59:31 AM
Why though? The whole convention of making hurricanes at best is of a nominal benefit. The infamy of the 1935 Labor Day Hurricane and 1928 Lake Okeechobee Hurricane were very well known when I lived in South Florida. Giving those two hurricanes human names accomplishes what?
Who makes hurricanes and how do I get that job?
Quote from: Rothman on August 31, 2023, 12:29:14 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 31, 2023, 11:59:31 AM
Why though? The whole convention of making hurricanes at best is of a nominal benefit. The infamy of the 1935 Labor Day Hurricane and 1928 Lake Okeechobee Hurricane were very well known when I lived in South Florida. Giving those two hurricanes human names accomplishes what?
Who makes hurricanes and how do I get that job?
Got me, the closest I ever got was obliterating cities in Sim City 2000 for fun. Hurricanes in that game could even be compounded atop the previous storms to flood the whole map.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 31, 2023, 12:27:23 PM
The best I can tell is that they are named after a nearby geographic feature. The "Caldor Fire" was named after the ghost town of Caldor as an example. The names are nonsensical enough that it is often easier to refer to them as "the fire by x city."
Bettter if they would be named from rotating lists, starting from A and going to W, like hurricanes, and significant fires' names retired.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on August 31, 2023, 12:38:57 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 31, 2023, 12:27:23 PM
The best I can tell is that they are named after a nearby geographic feature. The "Caldor Fire" was named after the ghost town of Caldor as an example. The names are nonsensical enough that it is often easier to refer to them as "the fire by x city."
Bettter if they would be named from rotating lists, starting from A and going to W, like hurricanes, and significant fires' names retired.
Why would that be better?
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 31, 2023, 12:47:36 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on August 31, 2023, 12:38:57 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 31, 2023, 12:27:23 PM
The best I can tell is that they are named after a nearby geographic feature. The "Caldor Fire" was named after the ghost town of Caldor as an example. The names are nonsensical enough that it is often easier to refer to them as "the fire by x city."
Bettter if they would be named from rotating lists, starting from A and going to W, like hurricanes, and significant fires' names retired.
Why would that be better?
Poiponen much like a great deal of the road community likes to classify everything into an orderly list. This is exactly why grid perfectionism is such a thing in the road community. The real answer is that there isn't any value to 99.9% of people.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 31, 2023, 12:27:23 PM
The best I can tell is that they are named after a nearby geographic feature. The "Caldor Fire" was named after the ghost town of Caldor as an example. The names are nonsensical enough that it is often easier to refer to them as "the fire by x city."
This is pretty much the standard practice all around the West, though sometimes names get shortened. The Camp Fire that wiped out Paradise started on Camp Creek Road, but two words were dropped and resulted in a name that is ill-fitting.
I'm guessing that there are far more than A-W worth of wildfires in a given year.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on August 31, 2023, 11:42:04 AM
wildfires, floods, heat waves and cold waves [...] behave similarly to hurricanes.
False.
Tornadoes wouldn't be assigned names, but a "Tornado ID". It would be an identifier consisting a ordinal of tornado in that season and an intensity number.
We should also name ordinary sunny days.
What's your weather currently?
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17397.msg2866496#msg2866496
We should brand cloudy days with unique identifier barcodes.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 03, 2023, 10:22:44 AM
We should also name ordinary sunny days.
What's your weather currently?
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17397.msg2866496#msg2866496 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17397.msg2866496#msg2866496)
Better to limit the naming to severe weather events.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 03, 2023, 10:27:26 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 03, 2023, 10:22:44 AM
We should also name ordinary sunny days.
What's your weather currently?
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17397.msg2866496#msg2866496 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17397.msg2866496#msg2866496)
Better to limit the naming to severe weather events.
No, we think this is needed.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 03, 2023, 10:27:26 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 03, 2023, 10:22:44 AM
We should also name ordinary sunny days.
What's your weather currently?
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17397.msg2866496#msg2866496 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17397.msg2866496#msg2866496)
Better to limit the naming to severe weather events.
People can get severe sun burns on sunny days.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 03, 2023, 10:41:32 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 03, 2023, 10:27:26 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 03, 2023, 10:22:44 AM
We should also name ordinary sunny days.
What's your weather currently?
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17397.msg2866496#msg2866496 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17397.msg2866496#msg2866496)
Better to limit the naming to severe weather events.
People can get severe sun burns on sunny days.
And severe seasonal depression on overcast days. All these nominal events require categorization.
In the insurance business, for European weather we follow these names: https://www.wetterpate.de/
The Freie Univesität Berlin years ago started, as a fundraising project, the "sponsor a vortex" program. For a few Euros, you can register a name on the list they use to identify high and low pressure systems.
Naming every low pressure system avoids questions about whether it should just be tropical storms that are named, or should the names be extended to winter storms, derechos, etc.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 03, 2023, 10:11:05 AM
Tornadoes wouldn't be assigned names, but a "Tornado ID". It would be an identifier consisting a ordinal of tornado in that season and an intensity number.
The supercells they are attached to are already assigned a letter-number code that sometimes appears in radar software. This is not generally shared with the general public, however, as they don't really help humans much–mesoscale storms are ever-changing and storms can form, merge, and fall apart over the course of 15 minutes. You definitely couldn't assign individual vortices an identifier, since they can sometimes last less than 30 seconds.
Including the intensity of a tornado in an identifier is not possible. It cannot be known until NWS visits the affected areas and assesses the damage. Sometimes the intensity assessment will change as more data becomes available. And sometimes meteorologists disagree with the official NWS rating–there are people still out there arguing about whether the Joplin tornado was really an EF-5 or if it was just a high-end EF-4, and that tornado happened in 2011.
Hell, sometimes we don't even know whether a tornado is actually on the ground or not since "on the ground" and "50 feet above ground" look pretty much the same on radar. Weak tornadoes often don't have a condensation cone to make them actually visible, and of course, if it's night, you can't see them at all. The only way to know for sure is, again, for someone to go out and look at the damage. And you can't do that when the maybe-tornado is actually going on.
If they need new female I names to replace Idalia, I can submit Ixeia and Izas. Even though these are actually features in the Pyrenees (a peak and a valley respectively), I've heard those as girl names and thus they should qualify :sombrero:.
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 03, 2023, 05:31:49 PM
Hell, sometimes we don't even know whether a tornado is actually on the ground or not since "on the ground" and "50 feet above ground" look pretty much the same on radar. Weak tornadoes often don't have a condensation cone to make them actually visible, and of course, if it's night, you can't see them at all. The only way to know for sure is, again, for someone to go out and look at the damage. And you can't do that when the maybe-tornado is actually going on.
The advent of dual-polarization radar in the early 2010s means we can now confirm a tornado on the ground from radar alone, since tornado debris has a slightly different reflectivity signature than rain or hail. More specifically, there is a parameter called correlation coefficient (or CC), which basically measures how similar the shapes and sizes of the objects the radar beam is hitting are on a scale from 0 to 1. Raindrops are all pretty similar and will have CC values close to 1. Tornado debris has a much lower CC value. So if you have a small region of low CC co-located with strong rotation in the velocity scans, and you have high reflectivity, that is a tornado debris signature (TDS) and is often used to verify tornado warnings.
Of course, there's an obvious limitation - if you see a TDS on radar, that means the tornado is already on the ground, and it's probably been that way for some time since the radar scan and transmission itself takes a few minutes. Weaker tornadoes may not produce enough debris for an easily identifiable TDS especially if they are far from the radar site. But it's something. An especially strong TDS is also often used to issue enhanced tornado warnings (PDS warnings or sometimes even tornado emergencies) even if there is a lack of spotter reports.
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 03, 2023, 05:31:49 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 03, 2023, 10:11:05 AM
Here's my plan to improve something I don't really know much about to begin with. This will be better than what is actually used by people who actually know stuff.
I actually know stuff about this thing. I live where lots of people know stuff about this thing, and I've also studied it on my own in the past. Your plan is likely impossible, or at the very least it is improbable, and most certainly it lacks real-world utility, for a variety of reasons. Here is a detailed, well-thought-out explanation of why your "improvement" sucks–an actual response that your past behavior has not warranted, but I'm feeling gracious today. Now it's your turn to either ignore me, or else quote my entire post and respond with a tangential one-sentence reply that doesn't really say anything other than what you said the first time.
FTFY
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 03, 2023, 10:22:44 AM
We should also name ordinary sunny days.
What's your weather currently?
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17397.msg2866496#msg2866496 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17397.msg2866496#msg2866496)
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 03, 2023, 10:27:26 AM
Better to limit the naming to severe weather events.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 03, 2023, 10:41:32 AM
People can get severe sun burns on sunny days.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 03, 2023, 11:06:29 AM
And severe seasonal depression on overcast days. All these nominal events require categorization.
Rain can cause slick driving conditions, which can lead to traffic accidents, which can result in death.
On the way to work this morning, I drove through Rain Shower Blaise Valentin.
Quote from: US 89 on September 11, 2023, 01:36:14 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 03, 2023, 05:31:49 PM
Hell, sometimes we don't even know whether a tornado is actually on the ground or not since "on the ground" and "50 feet above ground" look pretty much the same on radar. Weak tornadoes often don't have a condensation cone to make them actually visible, and of course, if it's night, you can't see them at all. The only way to know for sure is, again, for someone to go out and look at the damage. And you can't do that when the maybe-tornado is actually going on.
The advent of dual-polarization radar in the early 2010s means we can now confirm a tornado on the ground from radar alone, since tornado debris has a slightly different reflectivity signature than rain or hail. More specifically, there is a parameter called correlation coefficient (or CC), which basically measures how similar the shapes and sizes of the objects the radar beam is hitting are on a scale from 0 to 1. Raindrops are all pretty similar and will have CC values close to 1. Tornado debris has a much lower CC value. So if you have a small region of low CC co-located with strong rotation in the velocity scans, and you have high reflectivity, that is a tornado debris signature (TDS) and is often used to verify tornado warnings.
Of course, there's an obvious limitation - if you see a TDS on radar, that means the tornado is already on the ground, and it's probably been that way for some time since the radar scan and transmission itself takes a few minutes. Weaker tornadoes may not produce enough debris for an easily identifiable TDS especially if they are far from the radar site. But it's something. An especially strong TDS is also often used to issue enhanced tornado warnings (PDS warnings or sometimes even tornado emergencies) even if there is a lack of spotter reports.
That's good to know, thanks! I don't think this tech has filtered its way down to the broadcast stations in OKC yet. Because if it had we would have had David Payne hyperventilating about how great he is because he has access to it.
Quote from: kphoger on September 11, 2023, 10:48:24 AM
On the way to work this morning, I drove through Rain Shower Blaise Valentin.
I believe the next two names on the list are Beverly Carneiro and Oliver Edgemoor.
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 14, 2023, 02:39:37 PM
I believe the next two names on the list are Beverly Carneiro and Oliver Edgemoor.
No, they're Rob Standridge and Mary Hannah.
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 14, 2023, 02:39:37 PM
I believe the next two names on the list are Beverly Carneiro and Oliver Edgemoor.
You didn't even have to list that second one, and I still would have understood. ;-)
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Tony
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William
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Quote from: Scott5114 on September 14, 2023, 02:39:37 PM
Quote from: US 89 on September 11, 2023, 01:36:14 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 03, 2023, 05:31:49 PM
Hell, sometimes we don't even know whether a tornado is actually on the ground or not since "on the ground" and "50 feet above ground" look pretty much the same on radar. Weak tornadoes often don't have a condensation cone to make them actually visible, and of course, if it's night, you can't see them at all. The only way to know for sure is, again, for someone to go out and look at the damage. And you can't do that when the maybe-tornado is actually going on.
The advent of dual-polarization radar in the early 2010s means we can now confirm a tornado on the ground from radar alone, since tornado debris has a slightly different reflectivity signature than rain or hail. More specifically, there is a parameter called correlation coefficient (or CC), which basically measures how similar the shapes and sizes of the objects the radar beam is hitting are on a scale from 0 to 1. Raindrops are all pretty similar and will have CC values close to 1. Tornado debris has a much lower CC value. So if you have a small region of low CC co-located with strong rotation in the velocity scans, and you have high reflectivity, that is a tornado debris signature (TDS) and is often used to verify tornado warnings.
Of course, there's an obvious limitation - if you see a TDS on radar, that means the tornado is already on the ground, and it's probably been that way for some time since the radar scan and transmission itself takes a few minutes. Weaker tornadoes may not produce enough debris for an easily identifiable TDS especially if they are far from the radar site. But it's something. An especially strong TDS is also often used to issue enhanced tornado warnings (PDS warnings or sometimes even tornado emergencies) even if there is a lack of spotter reports.
That's good to know, thanks! I don't think this tech has filtered its way down to the broadcast stations in OKC yet. Because if it had we would have had David Payne hyperventilating about how great he is because he has access to it.
I would be shocked if any broadcast station especially in the middle of tornado country
didn't have a way to show this. It's been around for over 10 years now and has become pretty ubiquitous in the meteorology world. I remember a couple years ago we had a tornado scare in Atlanta and WSB was definitely showing it. Weather Channel uses it a bunch too (when they're actually showing weather and not Highway Through Hell or whatever).
Now, they usually won't call it correlation coefficient or CC, because those words are apparently too big for the average viewer. So they usually call it "Live 5 Tornado Tracker" or something else that's similarly dumb.