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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3025 on: November 12, 2017, 01:41:24 PM »

https://goo.gl/vSar1Z -- all three left turns at this intersection have this same sign. I have driven through this intersection to visit the nearby A&W more times than I can count. I never noticed the sign before. Vancouver doesn't post many supplementary signs about what to do at left turn yield situations, but when they do, it's usually the same sign as the one in the US ("LEFT TURN YIELD ON GREEN").



Couldn’t someone interpret that as yield (then go), even when the signal is red?   :-o

Try that out on the judge and let us know how it goes.

Well, if you have a good enough lawyer...

Not any more ambiguous than "LEFT TURN MUST YIELD".
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3026 on: November 13, 2017, 09:44:07 AM »

https://goo.gl/vSar1Z -- all three left turns at this intersection have this same sign. I have driven through this intersection to visit the nearby A&W more times than I can count. I never noticed the sign before. Vancouver doesn't post many supplementary signs about what to do at left turn yield situations, but when they do, it's usually the same sign as the one in the US ("LEFT TURN YIELD ON GREEN").



Couldn’t someone interpret that as yield (then go), even when the signal is red?   :-o

Try that out on the judge and let us know how it goes.

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Not any more ambiguous than "LEFT TURN MUST YIELD".
Yes, that sign usually has more text with it, such as ON green ball or some other qualifier. My initial reaction was to interpret the other sign as I may go on red as it seems they would have used the standard sign if I just had to yield on a green ball. Just as when I encounter a yield sign on the corner of my right turn with a signal, I interpret that as overriding the red ball and I don't have to stop on red to make a right as long as I yield.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3027 on: November 13, 2017, 09:00:19 PM »

Fort Smith, NWT is erecting some four-language signs:



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"Stop" will be written in four languages: English, French, Cree and Chipewyan.

Community leaders are looking to expand on that idea and add Indigenous languages to other projects.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3028 on: November 13, 2017, 11:03:11 PM »

In other news, no one can read road signs anymore, because the information is repeated four times and is thusly four-times smaller than usual.

Canada has great symbol signs. They ought to expand on them in the multi-lingual areas. Perhaps a stop sign with a "HALT" hand?

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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3029 on: November 13, 2017, 11:16:48 PM »

In other news, no one can read road signs anymore, because the information is repeated four times and is thusly four-times smaller than usual.

Canada has great symbol signs. They ought to expand on them in the multi-lingual areas. Perhaps a stop sign with a "HALT" hand?



How about no wording at all? Works for the YIELD and DO NOT ENTER (except BC) signs. The octagon is an internationally recognized symbol, so it's not like people from other countries won't know what it means.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3030 on: November 13, 2017, 11:19:37 PM »

In other news, no one can read road signs anymore, because the information is repeated four times and is thusly four-times smaller than usual.

Canada has great symbol signs. They ought to expand on them in the multi-lingual areas. Perhaps a stop sign with a "HALT" hand?

http://clipartview.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/hand-stop-sign-clipart.jpg

How about no wording at all? Works for the YIELD and DO NOT ENTER (except BC) signs. The octagon is an internationally recognized symbol, so it's not like people from other countries won't know what it means.

More unconventional than you might imagine. The vast majority, if not all countries have some sort of message in the middle of the octagon. It's the definition of redundant, but it does seem to do a good job of reinforcing the meaning. Regardless, I'd be okay with getting rid of the "STOP" message in favor of either no message, or a "HALT" hand. Not a big fan of text+symbol if the symbol is well-designed.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3031 on: November 13, 2017, 11:39:07 PM »

https://goo.gl/vSar1Z -- all three left turns at this intersection have this same sign. I have driven through this intersection to visit the nearby A&W more times than I can count. I never noticed the sign before. Vancouver doesn't post many supplementary signs about what to do at left turn yield situations, but when they do, it's usually the same sign as the one in the US ("LEFT TURN YIELD ON GREEN").



Couldn’t someone interpret that as yield (then go), even when the signal is red?   :-o

Try that out on the judge and let us know how it goes.

Well, if you have a good enough lawyer...

Not any more ambiguous than "LEFT TURN MUST YIELD".

Yes, that sign usually has more text with it, such as ON green ball or some other qualifier. My initial reaction was to interpret the other sign as I may go on red as it seems they would have used the standard sign if I just had to yield on a green ball. Just as when I encounter a yield sign on the corner of my right turn with a signal, I interpret that as overriding the red ball and I don't have to stop on red to make a right as long as I yield.

"Left turn must yield" signs aren't particularly common in my area of Washington State. Most green-ball-only left turns don't have any supplementary signage. Oregon uses the sign a lot, though.

Keep in mind that, in Canada, there is no standard supplementary sign for left turns. BC goes "above and beyond", installing informative variations of "yield on green" at some left turns (this is one example). Most seem to be taken straight from the MUTCD (nothing new in British Columbia). Most drivers in Canada don't, from my experience, approach an intersection, and look for signage instructing them what to do. I would imagine that only maybe 1 out of 20 drivers approaching this left turn even notice the sign. Americans might be thrown off by the sign, because it's non-standard compared to what we're used to. But it's just another variation up north, (probably) just as legally binding as the rest.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3032 on: November 16, 2017, 11:27:56 AM »

While MassDOT & it predecessors still allow for routes to be spelled out in text in legends (i.e. TO RTE. XX rather than TO plus the route shield); this example and its lead-ins are the few that still does such for an Interstate route.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3033 on: November 16, 2017, 12:44:22 PM »

While MassDOT & it predecessors still allow for routes to be spelled out in text in legends (i.e. TO RTE. XX rather than TO plus the route shield); this example and its lead-ins are the few that still does such for an Interstate route.

Are Mass's Paddle Signs subject to the same national regulations as BGS's?  I love the paddle signs, but they're seemingly unique to Massachusetts and New Hampshire.

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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3034 on: November 16, 2017, 05:43:01 PM »

Are Mass's Paddle Signs subject to the same national regulations as BGS's?  I love the paddle signs, but they're seemingly unique to Massachusetts and New Hampshire.

Yes and no.  The paddle signs are formally D-series signs (D6 and D8 series, to be precise) and are subject to most of the criteria listed in the conventional-road guide signing chapter in the federal MUTCD.  However, the Massachusetts MUTCD supplement has certain carve-outs concerning them.  They are not required to have mixed-case destination legend, for example (e.g., contract 607495 will install new paddle signs with all-uppercase destinations, while contract 608554 will install new paddle signs with mixed-case destinations).

The paddle sign bible is here:

http://www.massdot.state.ma.us/highway/Departments/TrafficandSafetyEngineering/PoliciesandDesignGuidelines/GuideSignPolicyforSecondaryStateHighways.aspx
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3035 on: November 17, 2017, 03:15:55 AM »

I was down in Olympia, Washington just today. I was on the 101, merging onto I-5. I was looking for the END sign, which I found, but something about the shield doesn't look right. Is the "US" text supposed to go above the number? I'm used to seeing the shield without "US" above the number, but I can't remember if that's an old practice that somehow made its way onto a new-ish (<5 years old) marker, or if it's one of those optional additions.

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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3036 on: November 17, 2017, 03:38:36 AM »

I was down in Olympia, Washington just today. I was on the 101, merging onto I-5. I was looking for the END sign, which I found, but something about the shield doesn't look right. Is the "US" text supposed to go above the number? I'm used to seeing the shield without "US" above the number, but I can't remember if that's an old practice that somehow made its way onto a new-ish (<5 years old) marker, or if it's one of those optional additions.

https://goo.gl/sxaT2z


I'm guessing they wanted to mimic an older US Route shield.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3037 on: November 17, 2017, 01:42:48 PM »

Are Mass's Paddle Signs subject to the same national regulations as BGS's?  I love the paddle signs, but they're seemingly unique to Massachusetts and New Hampshire.

Yes and no.  The paddle signs are formally D-series signs (D6 and D8 series, to be precise) and are subject to most of the criteria listed in the conventional-road guide signing chapter in the federal MUTCD.  However, the Massachusetts MUTCD supplement has certain carve-outs concerning them.  They are not required to have mixed-case destination legend, for example (e.g., contract 607495 will install new paddle signs with all-uppercase destinations, while contract 608554 will install new paddle signs with mixed-case destinations).

The paddle sign bible is here:

http://www.massdot.state.ma.us/highway/Departments/TrafficandSafetyEngineering/PoliciesandDesignGuidelines/GuideSignPolicyforSecondaryStateHighways.aspx

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Quote from:  2005 Edition of MassHighway Guide Sign Policy for Secondary State Routes
Route signs shall be used for all intersecting numbered routes on signs, and should be used for “trailblazer” information as well. However, on D6 and D8 signs, text (i.e. ‘To Route 202’) may be used for ‘trailblazer’ information to conserve space where necessary.

Worth noting: MassDOT has since adopted the use of mixed-case lettering for its D6/D8 signs.
Example of new D6/D8 style (i.e. now more paddle-style mounting for the D6 sign)
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3038 on: November 17, 2017, 02:45:45 PM »

I was down in Olympia, Washington just today. I was on the 101, merging onto I-5. I was looking for the END sign, which I found, but something about the shield doesn't look right. Is the "US" text supposed to go above the number? I'm used to seeing the shield without "US" above the number, but I can't remember if that's an old practice that somehow made its way onto a new-ish (<5 years old) marker, or if it's one of those optional additions.

https://goo.gl/sxaT2z

https://i.imgur.com/3HDJHVp.png

I'm guessing they wanted to mimic an older US Route shield.

Must be the case. Or a former Caltrans employee worked on the sign.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3039 on: November 17, 2017, 06:33:31 PM »

I was looking around an area I got while playing GeoGuessr earlier, and found these double-sided chevrons.  At first I thought they were reusing the other side of old signs, but all of the chevrons on the curve are this way.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3040 on: November 19, 2017, 05:32:15 PM »

I was down in Olympia, Washington just today. I was on the 101, merging onto I-5. I was looking for the END sign, which I found, but something about the shield doesn't look right. Is the "US" text supposed to go above the number? I'm used to seeing the shield without "US" above the number, but I can't remember if that's an old practice that somehow made its way onto a new-ish (<5 years old) marker, or if it's one of those optional additions. <snip>
I'm guessing they wanted to mimic an older US Route shield.

I remember seeing some US 12/14 shields near Madison, WI, with the US above the number. However, that was back in 2007. I think you can barely see it on this GSV, but looks like those signs have been replaced.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3041 on: November 24, 2017, 06:37:30 PM »

https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/26513361299/in/pool-3034019@N21/
How about this one in the way that the FL 39A shield was applied directly over the FL 39 shield for Buchman Highway.  Part of the shield its covering is still visible.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3042 on: December 02, 2017, 10:44:54 PM »

They put up a couple of new signs to guide traffic from CT Route 9 North to CT Route 372 West in Berlin, CT this week. They assume there will be an increase in traffic when the commuter rail starts up (between New Haven and Springfield, MA) next year. It was hard to get a good shot of the specs sticker on the back of the sign at 6:45 AM, with local sunrise being 6:58 AM.



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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3043 on: December 03, 2017, 08:37:08 AM »

I was looking around an area I got while playing GeoGuessr earlier, and found these double-sided chevrons.  At first I thought they were reusing the other side of old signs, but all of the chevrons on the curve are this way.

Wonder why they didn't mount them to the side of the poles.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3044 on: December 03, 2017, 05:14:51 PM »

Yesterday, while driving along I-95 northbound in Mansfield, MA; I noticed this Tale of Two 'Cs' BGS.  Series E-Mod for one; Series E for the other.

It's too bad the two identical lower-case letters weren't accidentally furnished in a similar manner.  Such IMHO would've shown a more sensible (& cheaper) approach to addressing the readability issues associated w/Series E-Mod that triggered the whole Clearview font debate.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3045 on: December 04, 2017, 09:24:18 PM »

Somewhere off of a county route in Chilton County, AL between Clanton, AL and Verbena, AL:
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3046 on: December 04, 2017, 09:59:55 PM »

Somewhere off of a county route in Chilton County, AL between Clanton, AL and Verbena, AL:

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If it’s not county maintained, then what the hell is a blue pentagon with the name of the county doing on it?
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« Reply #3047 on: December 04, 2017, 11:13:08 PM »

Somewhere off of a county route in Chilton County, AL between Clanton, AL and Verbena, AL:

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If it’s not county maintained, then what the hell is a blue pentagon with the name of the county doing on it?
Chilton County (and Chilton Not County Maintained) don't use street names, but instead county routes on all of their roads.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #3048 on: December 05, 2017, 05:00:08 PM »

If it’s not county maintained, then what the hell is a blue pentagon with the name of the county doing on it?
Chilton County (and Chilton Not County Maintained) don't use street names, but instead county routes on all of their roads.

So why isn't it township route 400 or whoever-maintains-this-road route 400 then?

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« Reply #3049 on: December 05, 2017, 05:07:13 PM »

Whoever drives on that road the most and has the lowest suspension is in charge if filling in the potholes?
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