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Odd Temporary Endings To Freeways...

Started by thenetwork, October 17, 2017, 11:25:38 PM

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Ronald Reagan Parkway in Gwinnett County in Northeast Atlanta has odd temporary endings at BOTH ends:

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9141009,-84.1142842,17.25z
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8737112,-84.0164472,943m/data=!3m1!1e3

There has been talk of extending it in both directions; the most recent attempt to connect it to I-85 was going to make it a toll connection except the numbers didn't work out.
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Avalanchez71

Quote from: kphoger on October 18, 2017, 04:53:04 PM
Kansas Turnpike, 1956, for those too lazy to click on links.   :awesomeface:


This picture illustrates that people do have property rights invested.  So when everyone says lets build this highway and that one think about how it could effect your property.

jakeroot

Quote from: vdeane on February 06, 2018, 12:43:03 PM
In that spirit, I-990 strikes me as interesting.  Sure, it looks like a normal stub, but at closer inspection it turns out only the northbound lanes utilize the stub ramps.  Southbound is just the mainline, and would need to be ripped up were the road to actually be extended.  Although, whether it qualifies as "temporary" is really up for debate.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0474611,-78.7348908,926m/data=!3m1!1e3

Very strange that they'd build it in such a way that they'd have to destroy the southbound carriageway for the road to be extended. I definitely can't recall seeing something like this before. Virtually all diamond stubs have two of the four ramps built.

Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 06, 2018, 01:48:54 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 18, 2017, 04:53:04 PM
Kansas Turnpike, 1956, for those too lazy to click on links.

http://ericgartner.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/ks_turnpike.jpg

This picture illustrates that people do have property rights invested.  So when everyone says lets build this highway and that one think about how it could effect your property.

It's just the state line. The Kansas Turnpike Authority had no rights to build in Oklahoma.

vdeane

Considering I-990's history, it's likely the "stub" was built with no intention of ever actually extending it and may well exist only to get traffic moving at 65 mph to slow down in preparation for the intersection.  The "ramp" is unusually close to where the northbound carriageway would be, and in any case, the road originally ended one exit back.  I'm pretty sure that this extension was only built after it was clear that the originally planned route to Lockport wasn't happening, to provide a more direct connection to NY 263.  I don't think the original plans for the road even had it crossing NY 263 at all.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

NE2

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jwolfer

Not really an odd temporary end but rather a beginning.

When the i295 beltway in Jacksonville was built in the SE quadrant in the late 1990s early 2000s there was stub ramps for the future SR9b( future future i795) when 9b actually started the merge was changed so a rebuild less than 10 years later.. now it's being modified to allow for express lanes on 295

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bing101

I-280 in San Francisco its north end is located near AT&T park. But originally I-280 was going to touch I-80@CA-480 when AT&T park was an industrial ground for ship building.

jakeroot

Quote from: vdeane on February 06, 2018, 02:26:32 PM
Considering I-990's history, it's likely the "stub" was built with no intention of ever actually extending it and may well exist only to get traffic moving at 65 mph to slow down in preparation for the intersection.  The "ramp" is unusually close to where the northbound carriageway would be, and in any case, the road originally ended one exit back.  I'm pretty sure that this extension was only built after it was clear that the originally planned route to Lockport wasn't happening, to provide a more direct connection to NY 263.  I don't think the original plans for the road even had it crossing NY 263 at all.

So I guess it's not really a temporary ending at all. I can see why they might install chicanes for a freeway-ending situation (similar setup on I-5 at the Canadian border), but the extra concrete and the barriers are very indicative of extension plans. Perhaps there was a plan for a northbound-to-northbound overpass?

Quote from: NE2 on February 06, 2018, 03:23:06 PM
The northern piece of SR 429 currently ends at CR 435, where no interchange is planned once construction is done.
http://www.google.com/maps/@28.7789134,-81.5271769,3a,75y,47.37h,81.22t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1slMZIDWuahqeKJ2jrA_5MQw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DlMZIDWuahqeKJ2jrA_5MQw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D251.57986%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

Will the ultimate configuration be dual carriageway ending at single carriageway (like the northern end)? Or like it is now, dropping to single carriageway before the intersection with Mt Plymouth Road?

NE2

Quote from: jakeroot on February 06, 2018, 05:13:26 PM
Will the ultimate configuration be dual carriageway ending at single carriageway (like the northern end)? Or like it is now, dropping to single carriageway before the intersection with Mt Plymouth Road?
The ultimate configuration will be an overpass with no access.
pre-1945 Florida route log

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jakeroot

Quote from: NE2 on February 06, 2018, 07:21:08 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 06, 2018, 05:13:26 PM
Will the ultimate configuration be dual carriageway ending at single carriageway (like the northern end)? Or like it is now, dropping to single carriageway before the intersection with Mt Plymouth Road?

The ultimate configuration will be an overpass with no access.

Oh I see. Would have helped if I looked at the satellite imagery.

bugo

The US 67 freeway in Arkansas once ended at AR 18 near Diaz at an at-grade intersection with no ramps. When they extended it northward, they built a diamond interchange with a bridge over US 67.

texaskdog

Quote from: TheStranger on October 19, 2017, 01:11:24 PM
Route 12 in Santa Rosa has an interesting situation where the eastbound lanes of the freeway terminate about a half mile west of where the westbound lanes begin (due to an extension that was canceled)
https://goo.gl/maps/Uejta5W3SVM2

Though it has been in place since the 1970s, the current west end of the Route 58 freeway in Bakersfield at South Real Road is a sudden T intersection in front of the Wild West Shopping Center - a strip mall that has since been closed down to make way for the Westside Parkway connector.
https://goo.gl/maps/nCTGiMvXEio

Route 125's terminus at Route 905/Route 11 in the San Ysidro area of San Diego has the southbound lanes temporarily ending via an offramp to Otay Mesa Road, while the northbound lanes begin right off of Route 905. (From 1972-1986, the final mile of 905 heading to the border crossing was legislatively planned as the southernmost part of Route 125)  The final southbound freeway segment to Route 905 is slated to begin construction in 2018 according to Cahighways
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5720733,-116.9512068,3a,75y,132.95h,83.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spnB5zSl-j5JiaDFgqMKENw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656



on the first one the land is still there.  are they going to make it a bikeway or something?

texaskdog

Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 06, 2018, 01:48:54 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 18, 2017, 04:53:04 PM
Kansas Turnpike, 1956, for those too lazy to click on links.   :awesomeface:


This picture illustrates that people do have property rights invested.  So when everyone says lets build this highway and that one think about how it could effect your property.

I don't know how people went flying off the end.  wouldn't you put signage up?

Brian556

People don't pay attention to signage, especially women

NE2

Quote from: Brian556 on February 09, 2018, 11:01:35 AM
People don't pay attention to signage, especially women
Women weren't allowed to drive when the Kansas Pooway opened.
pre-1945 Florida route log

I accept and respect your identity as long as it's not dumb shit like "identifying as a vaccinated attack helicopter".

roadman65

FL 429 currently between CR 437 and SR 46.  Soon, though the end at CR 437 will be removed once the segment south of there to its current end at US 441 near Apopka is completed.  However the other end at SR 46 won't be changed until SR 46 is upgraded to full freeway east of there into Seminole County.

Right now both ends have the freeway drop down to two lanes and do a quick turn before they end at a temporary at grade T.
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jakeroot

Quote from: Brian556 on February 09, 2018, 11:01:35 AM
People don't pay attention to signage

More than that, it was just unexpected. No amount of signage can prepare you for an 80-mph freeway dead-ending at a farm road in the middle of nowhere.

jwolfer

Quote from: roadman65 on February 10, 2018, 03:58:47 PM
FL 429 currently between CR 437 and SR 46.  Soon, though the end at CR 437 will be removed once the segment south of there to its current end at US 441 near Apopka is completed.  However the other end at SR 46 won't be changed until SR 46 is upgraded to full freeway east of there into Seminole County.

Right now both ends have the freeway drop down to two lanes and do a quick turn before they end at a temporary at grade T.
Will 429 meet I-4 with 417. I don't recall if it will form a seamless connection with 417

Z981

roadman65

Quote from: jwolfer on February 10, 2018, 08:11:21 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 10, 2018, 03:58:47 PM
FL 429 currently between CR 437 and SR 46.  Soon, though the end at CR 437 will be removed once the segment south of there to its current end at US 441 near Apopka is completed.  However the other end at SR 46 won't be changed until SR 46 is upgraded to full freeway east of there into Seminole County.

Right now both ends have the freeway drop down to two lanes and do a quick turn before they end at a temporary at grade T.
Will 429 meet I-4 with 417. I don't recall if it will form a seamless connection with 417

Z981

I think so.  It will take over the existing SR 46 completely and then near Sanford dip down to meet SR 417 head on.  So both SR 417 and SR 429 together will for an almost complete beltway around Orlando.  What makes it never to be a closed loop is the fact that SR 429 ends at I-4's Exit 60 while SR 417 ends at I-4's Exit 62 more than three miles away.
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TheOneKEA

Prior to the extension of MD 32 west to US 29 and the Middle Patuxent River, the dual carriage way ended at an at-grade intersection with Guilford Road, at the spot where a set of power lines cross MD 32 today. Historic Aerials has excellent photos of the temporary at grade intersection and the ramps that led down to the formerly concrete carriageways that were built with the interchange.





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