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Solving a ROR traffic conflict
interstatefan990:
There is a traffic conflict when a driver is turning right on red into the same roadway that an oncoming driver is turning left into on a green arrow. I'm pretty sure the right of way belongs to the driver with the arrow, but there probably should be a sign above to denote this. I'm thinking it could look something like this. Thoughts?
1995hoo:
--- Quote from: interstatefan990 on October 16, 2020, 09:25:11 AM ---There is a traffic conflict when a driver is turning right on red into the same roadway that an oncoming driver is turning left into on a green arrow. I'm pretty sure the right of way belongs to the driver with the arrow, but there probably should be a sign above to denote this. I'm thinking it could look something like this. Thoughts?
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The driver with the green arrow gets priority because he has a green light. Someone turning on red still has a red light and thus is supposed to yield to anyone else who has a green, though most drivers incorrectly think they have a "right" to turn on red (fewer and fewer drivers around here bother to stop before doing so, either).
I've seen a version of the sign you reference—not quite with the same wording—at occasional intersections around here when there's been a particularly acute problem, but off the top of my head I'm not remembering where. If I can think of one, I'll post a Street View. I've also noticed that signs of this sort seem to be disproportionately knocked down, which suggests to me that it's deliberate vandalism.
kendancy66:
--- Quote from: interstatefan990 on October 16, 2020, 09:25:11 AM ---There is a traffic conflict when a driver is turning right on red into the same roadway that an oncoming driver is turning left into on a green arrow. I'm pretty sure the right of way belongs to the driver with the arrow, but there probably should be a sign above to denote this. I'm thinking it could look something like this. Thoughts?
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I like these illuminated no right on red turn signs. They turn on, when the opposing left turn signal is on. Then turn off when the perpendicular left turn on arrow phase is on (and no u-turn allowed) or when the light is green
https://goo.gl/maps/huWzmhF3AqKFjGqo8
interstatefan990:
--- Quote from: 1995hoo on October 16, 2020, 09:46:15 AM ---
--- Quote from: interstatefan990 on October 16, 2020, 09:25:11 AM ---There is a traffic conflict when a driver is turning right on red into the same roadway that an oncoming driver is turning left into on a green arrow. I'm pretty sure the right of way belongs to the driver with the arrow, but there probably should be a sign above to denote this. I'm thinking it could look something like this. Thoughts?
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The driver with the green arrow gets priority because he has a green light. Someone turning on red still has a red light and thus is supposed to yield to anyone else who has a green, though most drivers incorrectly think they have a "right" to turn on red (fewer and fewer drivers around here bother to stop before doing so, either).
I've seen a version of the sign you reference—not quite with the same wording—at occasional intersections around here when there's been a particularly acute problem, but off the top of my head I'm not remembering where. If I can think of one, I'll post a Street View. I've also noticed that signs of this sort seem to be disproportionately knocked down, which suggests to me that it's deliberate vandalism.
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I agree. Just the other day I saw an NYS trooper blow through a right on red exactly as if it were a green arrow, no slowing down. Lights and sirens off as well. People don't seem to want to stop for RORs, which is especially problematic in situations like these where opposing traffic may have a protected left turn. When your car is rolling closer and closer to the intersection you usually don't have enough time to fully check for traffic from multiple directions or to figure out who has what signal in the first place.
kphoger:
IMHO, a red light does the job just fine. If people don't yield when facing a red light, then they're not going to yield when facing that sign either.
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