At more "minor" crossings, there were blue "Welcome to Wisconsin" signs with the shape of the state. Now it's just a plain green sign that says "Wisconsin" when entering on a highway such as US 14, US 45, Wis 67, and Wis 80 to name a few places where there's just the green sign. Entering other states there's always a more elaborate sign. Are you ok with the plain sign with the big wooden Wisconsin Welcomes You at busier crossings or are better signs needed at the other border crossings?
Those wooden signs look real dated IMO.
I guess not every highway can have a "grand" Welcome to Wisconsin sign like the one on Interstates 41/94: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.509336,-87.9514675,3a,75y,34.02h,93.33t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sUJ1ZjEr-DNLjHcYEfC4pbw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DUJ1ZjEr-DNLjHcYEfC4pbw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D54.799366%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu. Interstates 39/90's Welcome to Wisconsin sign is imprinted on the CTH P/Stateline Rd. overpass: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4961535,-88.9926914,3a,75y,15.75h,87.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1su3viU3liBkvjuH-AfIQgtQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu.
I assume it's because in general the US routes are now used by local drivers instead of tourists, so there's no need to have much fanfare when driving over the line.
I read that the Feds said the blue sign with the state cutout was noncompliant.
Yeah, they're kind of disappointing; it looks as if the posts supported a larger sign at some point. Although this is on US 51 in Beloit, maybe it's because of the driveway along side of it?
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51617085815_60230f8471_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mDe4ir)
Not all of the crossings get elegant signs...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51616851629_dacf0379ac_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mDcRFK)
...but there's the wooden one a little up the road:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51617062870_f380a8a466_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mDdWtQ)
Virginia has been doing the same on surface routes in the last couple years. US 33, US 48, and US 250 have had their fancier welcome signs replaced with simple green-on-white "Virginia" signs in the last couple years. Here's US 33, where you can see past designs by looking back through time: https://goo.gl/maps/BBTwkdQ5dZZgLzf5A
Just having the state name with nothing else is underwhelming. At least put a "Welcome to State" or something so it stands out.
They replaced the classic one on Hwy 25 at the Nelson WI-Wabasha MN crossing with this: https://www.google.com/maps/@44.3891611,-92.0298193,3a,47.1y,68.33h,87.88t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s4HpW1ipQa0_FS1Ui2stDXA!2e0!5s20230801T000000!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu
It's better than plain old green. :clap:
Quote from: formulanone on August 28, 2023, 08:37:26 PM
Yeah, they're kind of disappointing; it looks as if the posts supported a larger sign at some point. Although this is on US 51 in Beloit, maybe it's because of the driveway along side of it?
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51617085815_60230f8471_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mDe4ir)
Street View shows this:
(https://i.imgur.com/CRHijZL.png)
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on August 28, 2023, 07:43:06 PM
I guess not every highway can have a "grand" Welcome to Wisconsin sign like the one on Interstates 41/94: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.509336,-87.9514675,3a,75y,34.02h,93.33t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sUJ1ZjEr-DNLjHcYEfC4pbw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DUJ1ZjEr-DNLjHcYEfC4pbw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D54.799366%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu. Interstates 39/90's Welcome to Wisconsin sign is imprinted on the CTH P/Stateline Rd. overpass: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4961535,-88.9926914,3a,75y,15.75h,87.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1su3viU3liBkvjuH-AfIQgtQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu.
39/90 has the big wooden sign a ways up the road at the rest area. The big wooden signs are rarely right at the border, they can be up to a mile past depending on location.
Quote from: formulanone on August 28, 2023, 08:37:26 PM
Yeah, they're kind of disappointing; it looks as if the posts supported a larger sign at some point. Although this is on US 51 in Beloit, maybe it's because of the driveway along side of it?
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51617085815_60230f8471_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mDe4ir)
Not all of the crossings get elegant signs...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51616851629_dacf0379ac_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mDcRFK)
...but there's the wooden one a little up the road:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51617062870_f380a8a466_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mDdWtQ)
On that last example, the wooden sign is about 6 miles in from the border.
Quote from: jzn110 on August 29, 2023, 10:59:39 AM
Quote from: formulanone on August 28, 2023, 08:37:26 PM
...but there's the wooden one a little up the road:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51617062870_f380a8a466_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mDdWtQ)
On that last example, the wooden sign is about 6 miles in from the border.
It is farther than I thought it was, but it's only about 3 miles.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on August 29, 2023, 10:45:34 AM
Street View shows this:
(https://i.imgur.com/CRHijZL.png)
Fireworks stand immediately over the border. Classic Wisconsin.
I agree, put the fancier signs a bit 'in' from the actual line at the major crossings and the "KISS" ones directly at the line and at the more local crossings. Maybe there should be a standard 'semi-fancy' state line sign in the MUTCD on the lines of the 'EU' standard style Schengen zone international border crossing signs.
Mike
Quote from: Bitmapped on August 28, 2023, 08:50:50 PM
Virginia has been doing the same on surface routes in the last couple years. US 33, US 48, and US 250 have had their fancier welcome signs replaced with simple green-on-white "Virginia" signs in the last couple years. Here's US 33, where you can see past designs by looking back through time: https://goo.gl/maps/BBTwkdQ5dZZgLzf5A
Just having the state name with nothing else is underwhelming. At least put a "Welcome to State" or something so it stands out.
On a number of secondary roads (and even some primary roads) Virginia will have something iike "Enter Lee County, Va., Leave Claiborne County, Tenn." on small green signs.
Tennessee just puts a "Tennessee State Line" sign on non-interstate routes.
Of course you're not really in Virginia until you're greeted by the "Radar Detectors Illegal" or "Speed Checked by Aircraft" white-on-black signs.
Does anyone have any more photos of Welcome to Wisconsin signs along other border crossings from Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, or Michigan?
Quote from: mgk920 on August 29, 2023, 01:03:53 PM
I agree, put the fancier signs a bit 'in' from the actual line at the major crossings and the "KISS" ones directly at the line and at the more local crossings. Maybe there should be a standard 'semi-fancy' state line sign in the MUTCD on the lines of the 'EU' standard style Schengen zone international border crossing signs.
Mike
Fifty white stars in a circle with the two-letter abbreviation in the center?
Take that, EU!
Sincerely,
Estados Unidos
The plain green signs seem to be a newer deployment; the blue "Welcome to Wisconsin" signs with the state in green have been around quite a while.
Quote from: Big John on August 28, 2023, 08:14:49 PM
I read that the Feds said the blue sign with the state cutout was noncompliant.
What is non-compliant about it? Is it because of the shade of blue? Because many other states have welcome signs in various shades of blue. Is it because the state shape protrudes out from the rectangle? Again, not the first sign to be like that. I don't get it. Anything has to be better than a plain BGS with nothing but "Wisconsin" on it. State pride is on the line here!
^^ I think it was the state cutout. I agree that the Wisconsin sign is just plain boring.
I think the state cutout might have been a compliance issue with NCHRP 350 rather than the MUTCD--the northern coastline is jagged and the Door County outline is potentially a nasty dagger.
In any event, WisDOT still uses a welcome sign that features the state outline in green with text legend in white on blue. From the Sign Plate Manual:
* I2-1 (approval date of January 24, 2002):
(https://i.imgur.com/WFlhP85.png)
* I2-1B (approval date of November 16, 2020):
(https://i.imgur.com/i46pp1A.png)
Quote from: peterj920 on August 28, 2023, 07:21:58 PM
At more "minor" crossings, there were blue "Welcome to Wisconsin" signs with the shape of the state. Now it's just a plain green sign that says "Wisconsin" when entering on a highway such as US 14, US 45, Wis 67, and Wis 80 to name a few places where there's just the green sign.
Quote from: J N Winkler on August 30, 2023, 04:44:12 PM
I think the state cutout might have been a compliance issue with NCHRP 350 rather than the MUTCD--the northern coastline is jagged and the Door County outline is potentially a nasty dagger.
Does NCHRP 350 apply to STH-67 and STH-80?
Quote from: kphoger on August 30, 2023, 05:02:55 PMDoes NCHRP 350 apply to STH-67 and STH-80?
Yes. WisDOT is applying NCHRP 350 standards to all state highways and state-let contracts (https://wisconsindot.gov/dtsdManuals/traffic-ops/programs/workzone/nchrp350.pdf), so besides WisDOT's own system, it should also apply to work it handles on city streets and county highways.
This said, I can't speak to WisDOT's reason for changing to I2-1 on STH 67 and STH 80 when it previously used the predecessor to I2-1B. It may be that other criteria for the use of I2-1B were updated as well.
Quote from: J N Winkler on August 30, 2023, 05:23:14 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 30, 2023, 05:02:55 PM
Does NCHRP 350 apply to STH-67 and STH-80?
Yes. WisDOT is applying NCHRP 350 standards to all state highways and state-let contracts (https://wisconsindot.gov/dtsdManuals/traffic-ops/programs/workzone/nchrp350.pdf), so besides WisDOT's own system, it should also apply to work it handles on city streets and county highways.
Well, that's what I get for only reading the first sentence of that paragraph before asking the question...
Related to the topic of Wisconsin border crossing signs, the sign on the border for I-41/94 has been missing for a few years now I think. I've wanted to reach out to WisDOT to have them replace it, but I haven't gotten around to it (much like they haven't gotten around to reinstalling one).
Quote from: kphoger on August 31, 2023, 12:03:58 PMQuote from: J N Winkler on August 30, 2023, 05:23:14 PMQuote from: kphoger on August 30, 2023, 05:02:55 PMDoes NCHRP 350 apply to STH-67 and STH-80?
Yes. WisDOT is applying NCHRP 350 standards to all state highways and state-let contracts (https://wisconsindot.gov/dtsdManuals/traffic-ops/programs/workzone/nchrp350.pdf), so besides WisDOT's own system, it should also apply to work it handles on city streets and county highways.
Well, that's what I get for only reading the first sentence of that paragraph before asking the question...
Before I answered your follow-up, I actually didn't know that FHWA requires NCHRP 350-compliant hardware only on the NHS. It seems WisDOT is acting on its own initiative to extend that mandate more widely.
This said, STH 26 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5049429,-89.6693444,3a,48.6y,23.9h,89.33t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s66NF6x_K6dD-8vL72eZp1A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D66NF6x_K6dD-8vL72eZp1A%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D14.531182%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) still has a surviving cutout welcome sign as of StreetView taken this month. I've also casually explored about three-quarters of Wisconsin's land border, clockwise from roughly Beloit to Iron River, without finding a single instance of the new outline sign. I-94 uses I2-1 (just the word "Wisconsin") even though it is a major crossing.
Quote from: J N Winkler on August 31, 2023, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 31, 2023, 12:03:58 PMQuote from: J N Winkler on August 30, 2023, 05:23:14 PMQuote from: kphoger on August 30, 2023, 05:02:55 PMDoes NCHRP 350 apply to STH-67 and STH-80?
Yes. WisDOT is applying NCHRP 350 standards to all state highways and state-let contracts (https://wisconsindot.gov/dtsdManuals/traffic-ops/programs/workzone/nchrp350.pdf), so besides WisDOT's own system, it should also apply to work it handles on city streets and county highways.
Well, that's what I get for only reading the first sentence of that paragraph before asking the question...
Before I answered your follow-up, I actually didn't know that FHWA requires NCHRP 350-compliant hardware only on the NHS. It seems WisDOT is acting on its own initiative to extend that mandate more widely.
This said, STH 26 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5049429,-89.6693444,3a,48.6y,23.9h,89.33t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s66NF6x_K6dD-8vL72eZp1A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D66NF6x_K6dD-8vL72eZp1A%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D14.531182%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) still has a surviving cutout welcome sign as of StreetView taken this month. I've also casually explored about three-quarters of Wisconsin's land border, clockwise from roughly Beloit to Iron River, without finding a single instance of the new outline sign. I-94 uses I2-1 (just the word "Wisconsin") even though it is a major crossing.
To be clear, that's the IL-26/WI-69 border crossing.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 31, 2023, 12:47:32 PM
Related to the topic of Wisconsin border crossing signs, the sign on the border for I-41/94 has been missing for a few years now I think. I've wanted to reach out to WisDOT to have them replace it, but I haven't gotten around to it (much like they haven't gotten around to reinstalling one).
There haven't been DOT state line signs at that state line crossing in either direction for as long as I can remember. The best that I can remember, the line was just south of the lottery billboard on the southbound side and was right about at a speed limit sign on the northbound side. More recently, after the eight lane upgrades in Wisconsin, the 'Illinois' sign on the southbound side is very slightly (well less than a meter) inside of Wisconsin and the overhead weigh station sign on the northbound side is a couple of meters in Wisconsin, but there is no 'Wisconsin' sign at the state line.
Mike
These plain green sign, remind me of this one just north of the Quebec-Vermont border on PQ-235. https://goo.gl/maps/iaDG69NtbMaDGPf99 The GSV shot was taken in 2011, I don't know if that sign is still there.
Quote from: mgk920 on September 01, 2023, 02:14:41 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 31, 2023, 12:47:32 PM
Related to the topic of Wisconsin border crossing signs, the sign on the border for I-41/94 has been missing for a few years now I think. I've wanted to reach out to WisDOT to have them replace it, but I haven't gotten around to it (much like they haven't gotten around to reinstalling one).
There haven't been DOT state line signs at that state line crossing in either direction for as long as I can remember. The best that I can remember, the line was just south of the lottery billboard on the southbound side and was right about at a speed limit sign on the northbound side. More recently, after the eight lane upgrades in Wisconsin, the 'Illinois' sign on the southbound side is very slightly (well less than a meter) inside of Wisconsin and the overhead weigh station sign on the northbound side is a couple of meters in Wisconsin, but there is no 'Wisconsin' sign at the state line.
Mike
The Welcome to Illinois sign is still there, and also has a plaque with "Lake County" on it. That one is IDOT-maintained, or at least it should be. I think you're right that it's slightly in Wisconsin though. Interesting.
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Quote from: mgk920 on September 01, 2023, 02:14:41 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 31, 2023, 12:47:32 PM
Related to the topic of Wisconsin border crossing signs, the sign on the border for I-41/94 has been missing for a few years now I think. I've wanted to reach out to WisDOT to have them replace it, but I haven't gotten around to it (much like they haven't gotten around to reinstalling one).
There haven't been DOT state line signs at that state line crossing in either direction for as long as I can remember. The best that I can remember, the line was just south of the lottery billboard on the southbound side and was right about at a speed limit sign on the northbound side. More recently, after the eight lane upgrades in Wisconsin, the 'Illinois' sign on the southbound side is very slightly (well less than a meter) inside of Wisconsin and the overhead weigh station sign on the northbound side is a couple of meters in Wisconsin, but there is no 'Wisconsin' sign at the state line.
Mike
The Welcome to Illinois sign is still there, and also has a plaque with "Lake County" on it. That one is IDOT-maintained, or at least it should be. I think you're right that it's slightly in Wisconsin though. Interesting.
Further north into the state? End I-41. So IDOT is not signing a single mile of I-41. (Except for an APL sign on 94, a "through traffic go here" sign on US-41 prior to the merge, and the NB ramp off Russell Road - all installed by ISTHA, but the road itself was built by WisDOT to Russell Road)
Take a clear look at the south face of the Hwy ML overpass, you will find your welcome "sign". Still a bit in for one :P
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Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 31, 2023, 12:47:32 PM
Related to the topic of Wisconsin border crossing signs, the sign on the border for I-41/94 has been missing for a few years now I think. I've wanted to reach out to WisDOT to have them replace it, but I haven't gotten around to it (much like they haven't gotten around to reinstalling one).
There haven't been DOT state line signs at that state line crossing in either direction for as long as I can remember. The best that I can remember, the line was just south of the lottery billboard on the southbound side and was right about at a speed limit sign on the northbound side. More recently, after the eight lane upgrades in Wisconsin, the 'Illinois' sign on the southbound side is very slightly (well less than a meter) inside of Wisconsin and the overhead weigh station sign on the northbound side is a couple of meters in Wisconsin, but there is no 'Wisconsin' sign at the state line.
Mike
The Welcome to Illinois sign is still there, and also has a plaque with "Lake County" on it. That one is IDOT-maintained, or at least it should be. I think you're right that it's slightly in Wisconsin though. Interesting.
Further north into the state? End I-41. So IDOT is not signing a single mile of I-41. (Except for an APL sign on 94, a "through traffic go here" sign on US-41 prior to the merge, and the NB ramp off Russell Road - all installed by ISTHA, but the road itself was built by WisDOT to Russell Road)
Take a clear look at the south face of the Hwy ML overpass, you will find your welcome "sign". Still a bit in for one :P
Why would Illinois sign it? I-41 should end at the zoo anyways.
Interstate 41 was likely designated to the Interstate 94/US 41 split to retain the existing mileposts and exit numbers north of the Zoo Interchange: https://www.interstate-guide.com/i-041/#google_vignette. It also doesn't hurt that a north-south Interstate designation is signed on a freeway that runs in a north-south trajectory (hence the 41/94 duplex).
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 01, 2023, 10:07:15 PM
Interstate 41 was likely designated to the Interstate 94/US 41 split to retain the existing mileposts and exit numbers north of the Zoo Interchange: https://www.interstate-guide.com/i-041/#google_vignette. It also doesn't hurt that a north-south Interstate designation is signed on a freeway that runs in a north-south trajectory (hence the 41/94 duplex).
the mileposts are US-45's So whatever was done with I-41 didn't matter. Wisconsin's mile posting system outside 90, 94 and maybe 43 is seriously fucked up anyway. 39 doesn't use its own mileposting system due to its late arrival, it uses US-51's - and that is skewed because 51 baled on the route prior to the interstates.
^^ I-43 from Milwaukee to Green Bay had its ownset of mile markers. Then when WI 15 was changed to I-43, the markers were changed to reflect the new start of I-43 by Beloit.
Quote from: J N Winkler on August 30, 2023, 04:44:12 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/i46pp1A.png)
Why aren't they using this design instead of the bland green one? It's outrageous they even have to change them in the first place...
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 01, 2023, 10:07:15 PM
Interstate 41 was likely designated to the Interstate 94/US 41 split to retain the existing mileposts and exit numbers north of the Zoo Interchange: https://www.interstate-guide.com/i-041/#google_vignette. It also doesn't hurt that a north-south Interstate designation is signed on a freeway that runs in a north-south trajectory (hence the 41/94 duplex).
It was designated to where it was to "connect" with US-41 across the border. It is signed by Illinois where US-41 meets the interstate. Regardless, ending at the Zoo makes no sense cause you'd have to sign US-41 at that point anyway. Might as well keep it an interstate.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 28, 2023, 07:39:54 PM
Those wooden signs look real dated IMO.
They're a classic. Sometimes it's not worth changing a sense of place just for an updated look.
Look at Minnesota. They changed their state welcome signs in the '80s to those god awful, simplistic, modern ones that MNDOT landscape architects referred to as the "big uglies" . Now they have something somewhat better, even if the font is a bit swirly. My point is that to change something just to change it, isn't always an improvement.
Quote from: midwesternroadguy on September 15, 2023, 05:59:43 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 28, 2023, 07:39:54 PM
Those wooden signs look real dated IMO.
They're a classic. Sometimes it's not worth changing a sense of place just for an updated look.
Look at Minnesota. They changed their state welcome signs in the '80s to those god awful, simplistic, modern ones that MNDOT landscape architects referred to as the "big uglies" . Now they have something somewhat better, even if the font is a bit swirly. My point is that to change something just to change it, isn't always an improvement.
They're classic - and ugly. A 3 year old's drawing would be better.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 15, 2023, 09:06:52 AM
Quote from: midwesternroadguy on September 15, 2023, 05:59:43 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 28, 2023, 07:39:54 PM
Those wooden signs look real dated IMO.
They're a classic. Sometimes it's not worth changing a sense of place just for an updated look.
Look at Minnesota. They changed their state welcome signs in the '80s to those god awful, simplistic, modern ones that MNDOT landscape architects referred to as the "big uglies" . Now they have something somewhat better, even if the font is a bit swirly. My point is that to change something just to change it, isn't always an improvement.
They're classic - and ugly. A 3 year old's drawing would be better.
This forum is literally filled with people complaining about ugly new state entrance signs (see also: Indiana). I can almost guarantee that any new "design by committee" sign would be even more awful.
The wooden signs are rustic and embrace Wisconsin's woodland landscape. I really like them! They're a heck of a lot better than an unceremonious green sign with just the word "Wisconsin."
Just came back from the UP and I can confirm the sign on 141 coming into to Wisconsin is still there as of September 2023.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 02, 2023, 06:11:57 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 01, 2023, 10:07:15 PM
Interstate 41 was likely designated to the Interstate 94/US 41 split to retain the existing mileposts and exit numbers north of the Zoo Interchange: https://www.interstate-guide.com/i-041/#google_vignette. It also doesn't hurt that a north-south Interstate designation is signed on a freeway that runs in a north-south trajectory (hence the 41/94 duplex).
It was designated to where it was to "connect" with US-41 across the border. It is signed by Illinois where US-41 meets the interstate. Regardless, ending at the Zoo makes no sense cause you'd have to sign US-41 at that point anyway. Might as well keep it an interstate.
US 41 is already signed south of the zoo.
Quote from: dvferyance on September 23, 2023, 08:05:26 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 02, 2023, 06:11:57 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 01, 2023, 10:07:15 PM
Interstate 41 was likely designated to the Interstate 94/US 41 split to retain the existing mileposts and exit numbers north of the Zoo Interchange: https://www.interstate-guide.com/i-041/#google_vignette. It also doesn't hurt that a north-south Interstate designation is signed on a freeway that runs in a north-south trajectory (hence the 41/94 duplex).
It was designated to where it was to "connect" with US-41 across the border. It is signed by Illinois where US-41 meets the interstate. Regardless, ending at the Zoo makes no sense cause you'd have to sign US-41 at that point anyway. Might as well keep it an interstate.
US 41 is already signed south of the zoo.
No sh*t. That's my point. There is no reason to end I-41 there because US-41 would be signed anyway.
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Quote from: dvferyance on September 23, 2023, 08:05:26 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 02, 2023, 06:11:57 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 01, 2023, 10:07:15 PM
Interstate 41 was likely designated to the Interstate 94/US 41 split to retain the existing mileposts and exit numbers north of the Zoo Interchange: https://www.interstate-guide.com/i-041/#google_vignette. It also doesn't hurt that a north-south Interstate designation is signed on a freeway that runs in a north-south trajectory (hence the 41/94 duplex).
It was designated to where it was to "connect" with US-41 across the border. It is signed by Illinois where US-41 meets the interstate. Regardless, ending at the Zoo makes no sense cause you'd have to sign US-41 at that point anyway. Might as well keep it an interstate.
US 41 is already signed south of the zoo.
No sh*t. That's my point. There is no reason to end I-41 there because US-41 would be signed anyway.
So what's the point of signing both? Everyone still calls it I-94 anyways.
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Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 02, 2023, 06:11:57 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 01, 2023, 10:07:15 PM
Interstate 41 was likely designated to the Interstate 94/US 41 split to retain the existing mileposts and exit numbers north of the Zoo Interchange: https://www.interstate-guide.com/i-041/#google_vignette. It also doesn't hurt that a north-south Interstate designation is signed on a freeway that runs in a north-south trajectory (hence the 41/94 duplex).
It was designated to where it was to "connect" with US-41 across the border. It is signed by Illinois where US-41 meets the interstate. Regardless, ending at the Zoo makes no sense cause you'd have to sign US-41 at that point anyway. Might as well keep it an interstate.
US 41 is already signed south of the zoo.
No sh*t. That's my point. There is no reason to end I-41 there because US-41 would be signed anyway.
So what's the point of signing both? Everyone still calls it I-94 anyways.
For consistency. While everyone calls it 94 now, that will fade as people will forget that I-41 is a new interstate. People growing up around or moving to the area don't know the US/I-41 story, so this will be more logical for them.
Quote from: GeekJedi on September 25, 2023, 07:26:23 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on September 24, 2023, 06:20:26 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 23, 2023, 09:32:08 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on September 23, 2023, 08:05:26 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 02, 2023, 06:11:57 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 01, 2023, 10:07:15 PM
Interstate 41 was likely designated to the Interstate 94/US 41 split to retain the existing mileposts and exit numbers north of the Zoo Interchange: https://www.interstate-guide.com/i-041/#google_vignette. It also doesn't hurt that a north-south Interstate designation is signed on a freeway that runs in a north-south trajectory (hence the 41/94 duplex).
It was designated to where it was to "connect" with US-41 across the border. It is signed by Illinois where US-41 meets the interstate. Regardless, ending at the Zoo makes no sense cause you'd have to sign US-41 at that point anyway. Might as well keep it an interstate.
US 41 is already signed south of the zoo.
No sh*t. That's my point. There is no reason to end I-41 there because US-41 would be signed anyway.
So what's the point of signing both? Everyone still calls it I-94 anyways.
For consistency. While everyone calls it 94 now, that will fade as people will forget that I-41 is a new interstate. People growing up around or moving to the area don't know the US/I-41 story, so this will be more logical for them.
I'm not so sure about that. I-39 is still second fiddle to I-90 in most minds after 30 years.
If I-41 wasn't extended to Illinois, US-41 would be signed instead. It really is harmless and not a big deal.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 15, 2023, 09:06:52 AM
Quote from: midwesternroadguy on September 15, 2023, 05:59:43 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 28, 2023, 07:39:54 PM
Those wooden signs look real dated IMO.
They're a classic. Sometimes it's not worth changing a sense of place just for an updated look.
Look at Minnesota. They changed their state welcome signs in the '80s to those god awful, simplistic, modern ones that MNDOT landscape architects referred to as the "big uglies" . Now they have something somewhat better, even if the font is a bit swirly. My point is that to change something just to change it, isn't always an improvement.
They're classic - and ugly. A 3 year old's drawing would be better.
That might be extreme:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Wisconsin_State_Welcome_Sign_on_I-90_%282020%29.jpg/800px-Wisconsin_State_Welcome_Sign_on_I-90_%282020%29.jpg)
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on September 26, 2023, 10:42:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 15, 2023, 09:06:52 AM
Quote from: midwesternroadguy on September 15, 2023, 05:59:43 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 28, 2023, 07:39:54 PM
Those wooden signs look real dated IMO.
They're a classic. Sometimes it's not worth changing a sense of place just for an updated look.
Look at Minnesota. They changed their state welcome signs in the '80s to those god awful, simplistic, modern ones that MNDOT landscape architects referred to as the "big uglies" . Now they have something somewhat better, even if the font is a bit swirly. My point is that to change something just to change it, isn't always an improvement.
They're classic - and ugly. A 3 year old's drawing would be better.
That might be extreme:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Wisconsin_State_Welcome_Sign_on_I-90_%282020%29.jpg/800px-Wisconsin_State_Welcome_Sign_on_I-90_%282020%29.jpg)
Brutal.
Why has the subject heading been changed to "Plain green "Wisconsin" signs at the border"? It should be "Plain green Wisconsin signs at the border".
The forum outage messed up all previously existing curly quotes.
If the OP changes the title of the first post, it will be fixed.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 26, 2023, 07:36:27 AM
If I-41 wasn't extended to Illinois, US-41 would be signed instead. It really is harmless and not a big deal.
Agreed. I don't have any issue with it going to Illinois, I'm just skeptical of the claim that people are going to start using it as the primary reference for the corridor south of Milwaukee.
Quote from: 1 on September 29, 2023, 11:50:29 AM
The forum outage messed up all previously existing curly quotes.
If the OP changes the title of the first post, it will be fixed.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 29, 2023, 11:48:41 AM
Why has the subject heading been changed to "Plain green "Wisconsin" signs at the border"? It should be "Plain green Wisconsin signs at the border".
This was the first title that I fixed, but there's still a botched character after the right quote that the query didn't include.
The original post from Peter had Wisconsin in quotes.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 29, 2023, 08:34:18 AM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on September 26, 2023, 10:42:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 15, 2023, 09:06:52 AM
Quote from: midwesternroadguy on September 15, 2023, 05:59:43 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 28, 2023, 07:39:54 PM
Those wooden signs look real dated IMO.
They're a classic. Sometimes it's not worth changing a sense of place just for an updated look.
Look at Minnesota. They changed their state welcome signs in the '80s to those god awful, simplistic, modern ones that MNDOT landscape architects referred to as the "big uglies" . Now they have something somewhat better, even if the font is a bit swirly. My point is that to change something just to change it, isn't always an improvement.
They're classic - and ugly. A 3 year old's drawing would be better.
That might be extreme:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Wisconsin_State_Welcome_Sign_on_I-90_%282020%29.jpg/800px-Wisconsin_State_Welcome_Sign_on_I-90_%282020%29.jpg)
Brutal.
Personally I always liked those wooden signs.
They would look a lot better without the stupid bottom plaque. They were a dumb pet project of the previous governor's adminstration. The current governor's administration should have just removed them rather than swapping those out for the governor's name.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 03, 2023, 01:52:35 PM
They would look a lot better without the stupid bottom plaque. They were a dumb pet project of the previous governor's adminstration. The current governor's administration should have just removed them rather than swapping those out for the governor's name.
That's been part of the sign since at least the early 70's.
Quote from: GeekJedi on December 03, 2023, 06:58:57 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 03, 2023, 01:52:35 PM
They would look a lot better without the stupid bottom plaque. They were a dumb pet project of the previous governor's adminstration. The current governor's administration should have just removed them rather than swapping those out for the governor's name.
That's been part of the sign since at least the early 70's.
I won't argue with you on that then, but I guess those plaques weren't on the Hudson welcome sign I would see most frequently as I have no memory of those plaques until the previous administration with its kitschy political slogan.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 03, 2023, 10:27:43 PM
Quote from: GeekJedi on December 03, 2023, 06:58:57 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 03, 2023, 01:52:35 PM
They would look a lot better without the stupid bottom plaque. They were a dumb pet project of the previous governor's adminstration. The current governor's administration should have just removed them rather than swapping those out for the governor's name.
That's been part of the sign since at least the early 70's.
I won't argue with you on that then, but I guess those plaques weren't on the Hudson welcome sign I would see most frequently as I have no memory of those plaques until the previous administration with its kitschy political slogan.
It has mainly been used to stroke the ego of whoever is the current governor.
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on December 04, 2023, 02:53:30 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 03, 2023, 10:27:43 PM
Quote from: GeekJedi on December 03, 2023, 06:58:57 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 03, 2023, 01:52:35 PM
They would look a lot better without the stupid bottom plaque. They were a dumb pet project of the previous governor's adminstration. The current governor's administration should have just removed them rather than swapping those out for the governor's name.
That's been part of the sign since at least the early 70's.
I won't argue with you on that then, but I guess those plaques weren't on the Hudson welcome sign I would see most frequently as I have no memory of those plaques until the previous administration with its kitschy political slogan.
It has mainly been used to stroke the ego of whoever is the current governor.
Mike
The only time they didn't have the bottom portion in the last number of years was when Scott McCallum was governor from 2001-2003.
Quote from: mgk920 on December 04, 2023, 02:53:30 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 03, 2023, 10:27:43 PM
Quote from: GeekJedi on December 03, 2023, 06:58:57 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 03, 2023, 01:52:35 PM
They would look a lot better without the stupid bottom plaque. They were a dumb pet project of the previous governor's adminstration. The current governor's administration should have just removed them rather than swapping those out for the governor's name.
That's been part of the sign since at least the early 70's.
I won't argue with you on that then, but I guess those plaques weren't on the Hudson welcome sign I would see most frequently as I have no memory of those plaques until the previous administration with its kitschy political slogan.
It has mainly been used to stroke the ego of whoever is the current governor.
Mike
No, it's mainly used as a Governor's welcome to visitors. I'm pretty sure that this is low on the list of "ego boosters".
Quote from: GeekJedi on December 04, 2023, 05:54:40 PM
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Quote from: GeekJedi on December 03, 2023, 06:58:57 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 03, 2023, 01:52:35 PM
They would look a lot better without the stupid bottom plaque. They were a dumb pet project of the previous governor's adminstration. The current governor's administration should have just removed them rather than swapping those out for the governor's name.
That's been part of the sign since at least the early 70's.
I won't argue with you on that then, but I guess those plaques weren't on the Hudson welcome sign I would see most frequently as I have no memory of those plaques until the previous administration with its kitschy political slogan.
It has mainly been used to stroke the ego of whoever is the current governor.
Mike
No, it's mainly used as a Governor's welcome to visitors. I'm pretty sure that this is low on the list of "ego boosters".
"Open For Business" is an ego boost - one that failed for the implementor of that.
As a visitor to Wisconsin, why the hell do I need to know who the governor is? I get they may want to "welcome" me to the state, but what about the rest of you? Don't you want to welcome me as well? I prefer stuff like "the people welcome you" or something similar. Or better yet, just say Welcome to xxx.
This just hits a nerve for me (a small one albeit.) I've never understood the practicality for announcing the leaders of a community on these signs. For all the many, many, many cities that have to tell me who their mayor is, WHY? Same things for states that have to put the governor's name up on it. It's useless information for the traveler. If you already live there then you probably already know your leaders and if you're visiting, why does it matter? You aren't voting in those elections.
"Open for business" is just as useless. As opposed to what? You're closed and telling people to get lost?
And don't worry Wisconsin, your wooden welcome signs are pretty cool. Simple, a shape of the state and a mention of your three "industries." Nothing completely wrong about any of that.
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 05, 2023, 04:32:12 AM
As a visitor to Wisconsin, why the hell do I need to know who the governor is? I get they may want to "welcome" me to the state, but what about the rest of you? Don't you want to welcome me as well? I prefer stuff like "the people welcome you" or something similar. Or better yet, just say Welcome to xxx.
This just hits a nerve for me (a small one albeit.) I've never understood the practicality for announcing the leaders of a community on these signs. For all the many, many, many cities that have to tell me who their mayor is, WHY? Same things for states that have to put the governor's name up on it. It's useless information for the traveler. If you already live there then you probably already know your leaders and if you're visiting, why does it matter? You aren't voting in those elections.
"Open for business" is just as useless. As opposed to what? You're closed and telling people to get lost?
And don't worry Wisconsin, your wooden welcome signs are pretty cool. Simple, a shape of the state and a mention of your three "industries." Nothing completely wrong about any of that.
Illinois stopped putting the governor on the sign after Rod Blagojevich and now it's says "From the People of Illinois." I guess they're afraid that another scandal could hit.
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 04, 2023, 08:28:41 PM
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Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 03, 2023, 01:52:35 PM
They would look a lot better without the stupid bottom plaque. They were a dumb pet project of the previous governor's adminstration. The current governor's administration should have just removed them rather than swapping those out for the governor's name.
That's been part of the sign since at least the early 70's.
I won't argue with you on that then, but I guess those plaques weren't on the Hudson welcome sign I would see most frequently as I have no memory of those plaques until the previous administration with its kitschy political slogan.
It has mainly been used to stroke the ego of whoever is the current governor.
Mike
No, it's mainly used as a Governor's welcome to visitors. I'm pretty sure that this is low on the list of "ego boosters".
"Open For Business" is an ego boost - one that failed for the implementor of that.
The previous governor, Scott Walker, added that.
Blew up in his face with that whole FoxConn fiasco.
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 04, 2023, 08:28:41 PM
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Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 03, 2023, 10:27:43 PM
Quote from: GeekJedi on December 03, 2023, 06:58:57 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 03, 2023, 01:52:35 PM
They would look a lot better without the stupid bottom plaque. They were a dumb pet project of the previous governor's adminstration. The current governor's administration should have just removed them rather than swapping those out for the governor's name.
That's been part of the sign since at least the early 70's.
I won't argue with you on that then, but I guess those plaques weren't on the Hudson welcome sign I would see most frequently as I have no memory of those plaques until the previous administration with its kitschy political slogan.
It has mainly been used to stroke the ego of whoever is the current governor.
Mike
No, it's mainly used as a Governor's welcome to visitors. I'm pretty sure that this is low on the list of "ego boosters".
"Open For Business" is an ego boost - one that failed for the implementor of that.
What they really need instead is this:
Next Kwik Trip: 1 MI
Next Culvers: 1 MI
Quote from: GeekJedi on December 09, 2023, 12:34:44 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 04, 2023, 08:28:41 PM
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Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 03, 2023, 10:27:43 PM
Quote from: GeekJedi on December 03, 2023, 06:58:57 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 03, 2023, 01:52:35 PM
They would look a lot better without the stupid bottom plaque. They were a dumb pet project of the previous governor's adminstration. The current governor's administration should have just removed them rather than swapping those out for the governor's name.
That's been part of the sign since at least the early 70's.
I won't argue with you on that then, but I guess those plaques weren't on the Hudson welcome sign I would see most frequently as I have no memory of those plaques until the previous administration with its kitschy political slogan.
It has mainly been used to stroke the ego of whoever is the current governor.
Mike
No, it's mainly used as a Governor's welcome to visitors. I'm pretty sure that this is low on the list of "ego boosters".
"Open For Business" is an ego boost - one that failed for the implementor of that.
What they really need instead is this:
Next Kwik Trip: 1 MI
Next Culvers: 1 MI
Next Piggly Wiggly 3 mi
Quote from: GeekJedi on December 09, 2023, 12:34:44 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 04, 2023, 08:28:41 PM
Quote from: GeekJedi on December 04, 2023, 05:54:40 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on December 04, 2023, 02:53:30 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 03, 2023, 10:27:43 PM
Quote from: GeekJedi on December 03, 2023, 06:58:57 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 03, 2023, 01:52:35 PM
They would look a lot better without the stupid bottom plaque. They were a dumb pet project of the previous governor's adminstration. The current governor's administration should have just removed them rather than swapping those out for the governor's name.
That's been part of the sign since at least the early 70's.
I won't argue with you on that then, but I guess those plaques weren't on the Hudson welcome sign I would see most frequently as I have no memory of those plaques until the previous administration with its kitschy political slogan.
It has mainly been used to stroke the ego of whoever is the current governor.
Mike
No, it's mainly used as a Governor's welcome to visitors. I'm pretty sure that this is low on the list of "ego boosters".
"Open For Business" is an ego boost - one that failed for the implementor of that.
What they really need instead is this:
Next Kwik Trip: 1 MI
Next Culvers: 1 MI
distances measured in Michigans like ISTHA I see.
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 09, 2023, 02:56:16 PM
Quote from: GeekJedi on December 09, 2023, 12:34:44 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 04, 2023, 08:28:41 PM
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Quote from: mgk920 on December 04, 2023, 02:53:30 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 03, 2023, 10:27:43 PM
Quote from: GeekJedi on December 03, 2023, 06:58:57 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 03, 2023, 01:52:35 PM
They would look a lot better without the stupid bottom plaque. They were a dumb pet project of the previous governor's adminstration. The current governor's administration should have just removed them rather than swapping those out for the governor's name.
That's been part of the sign since at least the early 70's.
I won't argue with you on that then, but I guess those plaques weren't on the Hudson welcome sign I would see most frequently as I have no memory of those plaques until the previous administration with its kitschy political slogan.
It has mainly been used to stroke the ego of whoever is the current governor.
Mike
No, it's mainly used as a Governor's welcome to visitors. I'm pretty sure that this is low on the list of "ego boosters".
"Open For Business" is an ego boost - one that failed for the implementor of that.
What they really need instead is this:
Next Kwik Trip: 1 MI
Next Culvers: 1 MI
distances measured in Michigans like ISTHA I see.
The question is if it's metric Michigans or imperial Michigans.
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 09, 2023, 01:41:58 PM
Quote from: GeekJedi on December 09, 2023, 12:34:44 PM
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Quote from: GeekJedi on December 03, 2023, 06:58:57 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 03, 2023, 01:52:35 PM
They would look a lot better without the stupid bottom plaque. They were a dumb pet project of the previous governor's adminstration. The current governor's administration should have just removed them rather than swapping those out for the governor's name.
That's been part of the sign since at least the early 70's.
I won't argue with you on that then, but I guess those plaques weren't on the Hudson welcome sign I would see most frequently as I have no memory of those plaques until the previous administration with its kitschy political slogan.
It has mainly been used to stroke the ego of whoever is the current governor.
Mike
No, it's mainly used as a Governor's welcome to visitors. I'm pretty sure that this is low on the list of "ego boosters".
"Open For Business" is an ego boost - one that failed for the implementor of that.
What they really need instead is this:
Next Kwik Trip: 1 MI
Next Culvers: 1 MI
Next Piggly Wiggly 3 mi
First Location to Purchase New Glarus: 1 mi
I've seen the plain green "Wisconsin" signs at the border when I drove I-90 into Wisconsin, and I also thought those signs were underwhelming compared to what I'm used to seeing at state lines. The sign at the opposite direction (entering Illinois) seems to have a little more flair, though. I just wonder why Wisconsin chose such an underwhelming entrance sign, even for large interstates.
Quote from: boilerup25 on March 07, 2024, 11:05:46 PM
I've seen the plain green "Wisconsin" signs at the border when I drove I-90 into Wisconsin, and I also thought those signs were underwhelming compared to what I'm used to seeing at state lines. The sign at the opposite direction (entering Illinois) seems to have a little more flair, though. I just wonder why Wisconsin chose such an underwhelming entrance sign, even for large interstates.
Actually, I think the green signs are just for the exact point you hit the state line. The big brown cutouts are usually right by the Welcome Centers.
I just checked street view for an example of what I saw that inspired this topic at Wis 67 and the plain green "Wisconsin" sign has been replaced with the blue sign similar to the old ones. Only differences is that the state is completely inside the sign and no partial outline and it's aluminum as Wisconsin no longer uses wooden signs. Here's a link from streetview.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/UFx3g5iz7ddi2UF59?g_st=ic
Quote from: JoePCool14 on December 10, 2023, 08:21:17 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 09, 2023, 01:41:58 PM
Quote from: GeekJedi on December 09, 2023, 12:34:44 PM
What they really need instead is this:
Next Kwik Trip: 1 MI
Next Culvers: 1 MI
Next Piggly Wiggly 3 mi
First Location to Purchase New Glarus: 1 mi
Next cheese shop: 500 FT
In the other direction, just across the border: Weed shop: Exits 1, 2, 3, 4, ...
Of course, all the billboards in the last 4 hours of driving have been for over-the-border weed shops.
Quote from: peterj920 on March 14, 2024, 12:14:23 AM
I just checked street view for an example of what I saw that inspired this topic at Wis 67 and the plain green "Wisconsin" sign has been replaced with the blue sign similar to the old ones. Only differences is that the state is completely inside the sign and no partial outline and it's aluminum as Wisconsin no longer uses wooden signs. Here's a link from streetview.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/UFx3g5iz7ddi2UF59?g_st=ic
I think those look good for the non-Interstate entry points. Clean. Simple.