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Started by roadfro, April 13, 2019, 11:52:09 AM

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Scott5114

Quote from: roadfro on April 12, 2023, 11:23:32 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 11, 2023, 02:48:57 AM
It makes sense that HOV lanes don't really seem to work in Southern Nevada. If the casinos there are anything like the ones here, the shifts are staggered around when everyone else is getting to work just because that's the most efficient way to not have shift change fall during peak hours. The day shift at the last one I worked at was 6am to 3pm, for instance. That means that the entire city isn't all commuting at the same time (which would normally be good for congestion, but it means that HOV lanes aren't a very good solution).

Not everyone in Vegas works in the casinos, you know...

True, and not everyone in a casino works swing shift either (no reason to have accounting there at 9pm, for instance). But this effect is strong enough that several political pollsters are on record that polling Southern Nevada is difficult because it's hard to reliably catch people while they're at home and have time to answer questions. If the effect is that pronounced in that industry, I would expect it to affect other aspects of life there, including traffic, and even other industries (someone will want to be open to serve those swing-shift folks just getting off of work and needing to buy groceries, after all).
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hotdogPi

Quote from: Scott5114 on April 12, 2023, 11:43:00 PM
polling Southern Nevada is difficult

I thought the entire state had casinos (roughly proportional to the population of the area), not just Clark County. There's even an unincorporated place named Jackpot.
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The Ghostbuster

Are there any plans to convert the carpool lanes into toll lanes? I wouldn't be surprised if toll lanes were eventually implemented in the Las Vegas Area.

Plutonic Panda

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Quote from: The Ghostbuster on April 13, 2023, 03:52:04 PM
Are there any plans to convert the carpool lanes into toll lanes? I wouldn't be surprised if toll lanes were eventually implemented in the Las Vegas Area.
I don't see toll lanes happening in Nevada. I'd expect that to happen in Phoenix before Vegas.

skluth

Quote from: 1 on April 13, 2023, 11:26:17 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 12, 2023, 11:43:00 PM
polling Southern Nevada is difficult

I thought the entire state had casinos (roughly proportional to the population of the area), not just Clark County. There's even an unincorporated place named Jackpot.

I doubt the traffic forcing all the staggered shifts isn't as bad in Jackpot as it is in Clark County

roadfro

Quote from: 1 on April 13, 2023, 11:26:17 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 12, 2023, 11:43:00 PM
polling Southern Nevada is difficult

I thought the entire state had casinos (roughly proportional to the population of the area), not just Clark County. There's even an unincorporated place named Jackpot.

By state law, gambling and casinos can and do exist statewide in Nevada. But there are areas of the state that don't have casinos. Boulder City (just south of Las Vegas and in Clark County) infamously does not have any casinos as gambling was made illegal in the city's charter–the two casinos commonly associated with Boulder City (Railroad Pass Casino and what is now the Hoover Dam Lodge) are both outside Boulder City limits. Additionally, I don't think there are any active casinos (and possibly not any active gaming whatsoever) in Esmeralda County.

Quote from: Plutonic Panda on April 13, 2023, 03:55:21 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on April 13, 2023, 03:52:04 PM
Are there any plans to convert the carpool lanes into toll lanes? I wouldn't be surprised if toll lanes were eventually implemented in the Las Vegas Area.
I don't see toll lanes happening in Nevada. I'd expect that to happen in Phoenix before Vegas.

No. The Nevada Constitution and/or state law would need to be changed first, which is why there are currently no toll roads in Nevada to begin with. There was talk about a potential toll road demonstration project in the late 2000s/early 2010s, but that fizzled out in part due to tolls being prohibited by law.

Roadfro - AARoads Pacific Southwest moderator since 2010, Nevada roadgeek since 1983.

jeffandnicole

Quote from: roadfro on April 15, 2023, 03:22:28 PM
Quote from: 1 on April 13, 2023, 11:26:17 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 12, 2023, 11:43:00 PM
polling Southern Nevada is difficult

I thought the entire state had casinos (roughly proportional to the population of the area), not just Clark County. There's even an unincorporated place named Jackpot.

By state law, gambling and casinos can and do exist statewide in Nevada. But there are areas of the state that don't have casinos. Boulder City (just south of Las Vegas and in Clark County) infamously does not have any casinos as gambling was made illegal in the city's charter–the two casinos commonly associated with Boulder City (Railroad Pass Casino and what is now the Hoover Dam Lodge) are both outside Boulder City limits. Additionally, I don't think there are any active casinos (and possibly not any active gaming whatsoever) in Esmeralda County.

And obviously there's Reno in the northern part of the State as well.

A place of gambling in Nevada doesn't necessarily need to be a full-fledge casino.  Gas stations, convenience stores and such can have slot machines.

skluth

Quote from: jeffandnicole on April 15, 2023, 03:57:12 PM
Quote from: roadfro on April 15, 2023, 03:22:28 PM
Quote from: 1 on April 13, 2023, 11:26:17 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 12, 2023, 11:43:00 PM
polling Southern Nevada is difficult

I thought the entire state had casinos (roughly proportional to the population of the area), not just Clark County. There's even an unincorporated place named Jackpot.

By state law, gambling and casinos can and do exist statewide in Nevada. But there are areas of the state that don't have casinos. Boulder City (just south of Las Vegas and in Clark County) infamously does not have any casinos as gambling was made illegal in the city's charter–the two casinos commonly associated with Boulder City (Railroad Pass Casino and what is now the Hoover Dam Lodge) are both outside Boulder City limits. Additionally, I don't think there are any active casinos (and possibly not any active gaming whatsoever) in Esmeralda County.

And obviously there's Reno in the northern part of the State as well.

A place of gambling in Nevada doesn't necessarily need to be a full-fledge casino.  Gas stations, convenience stores and such can have slot machines.

There were even a couple slot machines in a gay bar I visited in Vegas back in 2000 

Rothman



Quote from: skluth on April 16, 2023, 11:06:02 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on April 15, 2023, 03:57:12 PM
Quote from: roadfro on April 15, 2023, 03:22:28 PM
Quote from: 1 on April 13, 2023, 11:26:17 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 12, 2023, 11:43:00 PM
polling Southern Nevada is difficult

I thought the entire state had casinos (roughly proportional to the population of the area), not just Clark County. There's even an unincorporated place named Jackpot.

By state law, gambling and casinos can and do exist statewide in Nevada. But there are areas of the state that don't have casinos. Boulder City (just south of Las Vegas and in Clark County) infamously does not have any casinos as gambling was made illegal in the city's charter–the two casinos commonly associated with Boulder City (Railroad Pass Casino and what is now the Hoover Dam Lodge) are both outside Boulder City limits. Additionally, I don't think there are any active casinos (and possibly not any active gaming whatsoever) in Esmeralda County.

And obviously there's Reno in the northern part of the State as well.

A place of gambling in Nevada doesn't necessarily need to be a full-fledge casino.  Gas stations, convenience stores and such can have slot machines.

There were even a couple slot machines in a gay bar I visited in Vegas back in 2000

Would one not expect a slot machine in a gay bar in Vegas?

I mean, they're in the airport, so I expect them and have seen them just about everwhere in Vegas.
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Scott5114

As an out-of-towner, it's kind of fun to go to various non-casino businesses and guess which one is going to have a bank of slot machines.
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roadfro

Quote from: jeffandnicole on April 15, 2023, 03:57:12 PM
A place of gambling in Nevada doesn't necessarily need to be a full-fledge casino. Gas stations, convenience stores and such can have slot machines.

Non-casino establishments that have gaming typically operate on a "restricted" gaming license, which restricts the operator to a maximum of 15 slot machines and no other table games or other types of gaming.

Quote from: Scott5114 on April 16, 2023, 06:17:47 PM
As an out-of-towner, it's kind of fun to go to various non-casino businesses and guess which one is going to have a bank of slot machines.

You'll most commonly see non-restricted gaming operations at gas stations/convenience stores, bars (often the "in-laid in the bar top" type video poker machines), and grocery stores (certain chains have it frequently, others don't). But you'll see slot machines in other places too–e.g. my local bowling alley in Reno, which is independent and not attached to a casino, has a few slot machines spread around the alley outside of the bar area (which also has a few bar top machines).
Roadfro - AARoads Pacific Southwest moderator since 2010, Nevada roadgeek since 1983.

Scott5114

Heh, bar-top machines are "fun" to work on. Sometimes getting them open is a challenge because of a dried crust of spilled drink residue gluing them shut.
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cl94

Quote from: roadfro on April 16, 2023, 08:27:43 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on April 15, 2023, 03:57:12 PM
A place of gambling in Nevada doesn't necessarily need to be a full-fledge casino. Gas stations, convenience stores and such can have slot machines.

Non-casino establishments that have gaming typically operate on a "restricted" gaming license, which restricts the operator to a maximum of 15 slot machines and no other table games or other types of gaming.

Quote from: Scott5114 on April 16, 2023, 06:17:47 PM
As an out-of-towner, it's kind of fun to go to various non-casino businesses and guess which one is going to have a bank of slot machines.

You'll most commonly see non-restricted gaming operations at gas stations/convenience stores, bars (often the "in-laid in the bar top" type video poker machines), and grocery stores (certain chains have it frequently, others don't). But you'll see slot machines in other places too–e.g. my local bowling alley in Reno, which is independent and not attached to a casino, has a few slot machines spread around the alley outside of the bar area (which also has a few bar top machines).

In my observations, the only supermarkets and convenience stores that reliably lack slot machines are Walmart and Maverik. Truck stops tend to have a little "casino" that allows smoking, as do most supermarkets. 7-Eleven may have 1-2 machines next to the door. Chain restaurants rarely have them, but every independent bar or local chain seems to have them.
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