I really love college football! It actually is my favorite and I'll do anything to talk about it. Week two of the regular season has wrapped up and here's my impressions of it so far:
-The ACC took a pounding over the weekend when all four of its ranked teams lost: Miami at Ohio State, Georgia Tech at Kansas, Florida State at Oklahoma and (perhaps, the most embarrassing) Virginia Tech losing at home to 1-AA James Madison.
-Speaking of 1-AA teams, they've been beating some 1A opponents, most notably, Jacksonville State over Mississippi. North Dakota State got a win over Kansas and Minnesota fell victim to South Dakota.
-Florida's offense was horrible in week one, but did play better against South Florida, particularly in the second half. However, the defense has stepped up big time in creating game-changing turnovers (eight INT's in just the first two games). The offense still needs to get its act together for SEC play or they could find themselves watching the SEC title game at home.
-Is Oregon the real deal? The 72-0 over New Mexico was one thing, but overcoming a sluggish start and whipping Tennessee in Knoxville by 35 is another!
-If Michigan QB Denard Robinson isn't the favorite to win the Heisman right now, I don't know who is. To go into South Bend and put up almost 250 rushing is just sick! And that was a week after breaking the Michigan record for rushing yards by a QB against Connecticut. But he better find a way to stay healthy because if he goes down, so does Michigan and Rich Rodriguez's job.
What are some of your thoughts?
I think Rich Rodriguez is the biggest idiot in football for running Ryan Mallett off (even though I'm glad he did.) Mallett had an off game and still put up 400 yards and 4 total touchdowns. If he's not the leading candidate for the Heisman, I don't know who is.
RichRod wanted to bring in the spread but Mallett isn't that kind of QB. He probably should've made the offense fit around Mallett and then switch to the spread once Mallett was gone. But Mallett didn't show me a whole lot when he was at Michigan. I realized he was a back-up to Chad Henne, but still, I didn't see. Arkansas seems a lot more tailor-made to him. Plus, having a coach like Petrino (who likes to throw the ball around) helps too.
Quote from: golden eagle on September 14, 2010, 12:38:49 AM
RichRod wanted to bring in the spread but Mallett isn't that kind of QB. He probably should've made the offense fit around Mallett and then switch to the spread once Mallett was gone. But Mallett didn't show me a whole lot when he was at Michigan. I realized he was a back-up to Chad Henne, but still, I didn't see. Arkansas seems a lot more tailor-made to him. Plus, having a coach like Petrino (who likes to throw the ball around) helps too.
A great coach modifies his system to fit the players he has, especially if he has great players like Ryan. Rodriguez is not a great coach. He's a one trick pony. He'll never win the big games.
As a Michigan fan, I agree that Rodriguez is never going to a major bowl. Hopefully they see that soon.
I was laughing about Boise State on Saturday-just 5 days after their much-hyped signature win over Virginia Tech that was going to get them into the national championship, the importance of that win almost completely evaporated after VT lost to James Madison. In a week in which Boise State didn't play, nothing worse could have happened to them than that.
I think it's tough to say who is the best right now-Alabama and Ohio State both looked good against quality opponents. My Huskers have looked good against meager opposition, but we have a better test this weekend on the road at Washington. We should still come away with the win, though.
Quote from: huskeroadgeek on September 14, 2010, 01:44:40 AMIn a week in which Boise State didn't play, nothing worse could have happened to them than that.
that's what you get for not playing.
sometimes you win.
sometimes you lose.
sometimes you're the idiot coward that gets a BYE.
I was at that Virginia Tech game. That was definitely my most painful sports experience ever. I really don't know what's up with the team, but Tyrod Taylor needs to get it together.
I did get some solace though, as my Buckeyes won and knocked off Miami!
Quote from: njroadhorse on September 14, 2010, 09:53:43 AM
I was at that Virginia Tech game. That was definitely my most painful sports experience ever. I really don't know what's up with the team, but Tyrod Taylor needs to get it together.
I did get some solace though, as my Buckeyes won and knocked off Miami!
That was my first ever Virginia Tech home game and I didn't think since I started going to school here that our football team 0-2. Honestly if we would have scored touchdowns instead of field goals and held on to the football we still would have crushed them.
My alma mater (Georgia State University) is 1-1. They beat Shorter University (formerly Shorter College) 41-7 and lost to Lambuth 14-23. We're going to play 'Bama the last game of the season, November 18... in Tuscaloosa. We're going to get murderlized. :ded:
Be well,
Bryant
I must say Gilbert is probly a better QB than McCoy, even though McCoy's awesome (and went to high school about an hour away from me). But also Sam Acho is a beast. I can't wait to see Tech get a whoppin on Saturday!
BigMatt
Quote from: AlpsROADS on September 14, 2010, 01:25:35 AM
As a Michigan fan, I agree that Rodriguez is never going to a major bowl. Hopefully they see that soon.
As a State fan, I hope RichRod stays at UM for a long time then. :sombrero:
Go Green, Go White!
Well Virginia Tech demolished East Carolina today. Woohoo! My college is not going 0fer!
Quote from: njroadhorse on September 18, 2010, 08:19:15 PM
Well Virginia Tech demolished East Carolina today. Woohoo! My college is not going 0fer!
My Razorbacks squeaked by Georgia 31-24. Next week is #1 Alabama at home. I'm quite nervous about playing them.
My alma mater hasn't beaten a non-deaf school in football since 1963, but the university I'm at now won against the Air Force Academy today.
Quote from: algorerhythms on September 18, 2010, 09:05:34 PM
My alma mater hasn't beaten a non-deaf school in football since 1963, but the university I'm at now won against the Air Force Academy today.
OU barely, and I mean BARELY put away Air Force. They are vastly overrated and will probably lose 4 games this year.
OU and Michigan are overrated.
Michigan's defense was like Swiss cheese today. It was almost shades of Appalachian State again.
Quote from: huskeroadgeek on September 14, 2010, 01:44:40 AM
I was laughing about Boise State on Saturday-just 5 days after their much-hyped signature win over Virginia Tech that was going to get them into the national championship, the importance of that win almost completely evaporated after VT lost to James Madison. In a week in which Boise State didn't play, nothing worse could have happened to them than that.
I was laughing too. Boise State plays nobody this year (Oregon State is the closest thing to a real team that they play all year, and they lost to another overrated team, TCU) and don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the national championship. If BS were in the SEC, they would go 4-4 in league play, if that. They would lose to Alabama, Arkansas, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Georgia, and South Carolina. Boise State is a joke. They might as well play high school teams, because that's all they are, an overgrown high school team.
Quote from: Brandon on September 16, 2010, 10:53:16 AM
As a State fan, I hope RichRod stays at UM for a long time then. :sombrero:
Go Green, Go White!
How about that fake field goal? Gutsy, gutsy move. It literally gave the M-State coach a heart attack.
QuoteI was laughing too. Boise State plays nobody this year (Oregon State is the closest thing to a real team that they play all year, and they lost to another overrated team, TCU) and don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the national championship. If BS were in the SEC, they would go 4-4 in league play, if that. They would lose to Alabama, Arkansas, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Georgia, and South Carolina. Boise State is a joke. They might as well play high school teams, because that's all they are, an overgrown high school team.
I just...I don't think there's any possible way to make that comment. You can say they're not national championship material, but to say they're an overgrown high school team?
The SEC is a tough conference, but if they were in the Pac-10 they'd be taken seriously as a contender, and there's no doubt in my mind they'd beat Washington, Washington State, Arizona, Arizona State, UCLA, Cal, Oregon State, or Stanford. They'd likely beat Oregon, as they did the last two seasons, and USC would be the only real challenge. If they were in the Big Ten, same deal.
The talent gap between non BCS schools and BCS schools just isn't as great as you make it out to be- we've seen that on numerous occasions this year and last year. It's there, but the bottom schools in BCS conferences (maybe not the SEC) are just as bad as the bottom schools in non-BCS conferences. For instance, SMU sucks, but they beat Pac-10 Wazzu last week. I don't think you can argue that Fresno State wouldn't at least put up a solid fight against Northwestern, Purdue, Minnesota, or Indiana.
Every single time Boise State has had a chance to play a major opponent in the last three years, they have won. That includes Oregon, Oregon again, TCU, and Virginia Tech. Sure, that's a small sample, but it's something. You can't just start saying they'll lose to every ranked school in the SEC when they have consistently beaten every ranked school they have played.
The fact is that we DONT KNOW what Boise State could do- they have tried to schedule more difficult opponents in the last three years, but national-title seeking schools don't want to schedule out-of-conference games with us because they can't generate as much revenue playing us as they can a "name" school, and don't want to play a team they may lose to if they're not generating gobs of revenue.
We don't know what Boise State is capable of because nobody has given them a consistent chance to show what they are capable of. What we DO know is that Boise State beats everyone they plays- most major schools have had a fluke loss to a so-called cream puff in the last couple years. Boise State has not. In addition, we've beat our ranked opponents when we've had a chance to play them.
Keep in mind that a non-BCS so-called overgrown high school team called Utah solidly beat Alabama just two years ago.
Does that make us national championship caliber? Maybe not. Does that make us an overgrown high school team? Definitely not.
I can't say matter-of-factly that Boise State deserves to be in the national championship any more than you can claim they're an overgrown high school team. We don't know what Boise State's talent level is. You don't know; I don't know. Any claim to the contrary is just obnoxious speculation. All we can go off is what we do know, and that is that they have seized every opportunity given to them. That should be worth something. How much? I'm not sure. How many Fiesta Bowls do they need to win before we can say "Hey, maybe they deserve a chance at the title game?" I'm not sure, and I don't think there's an objective way that anybody can be.
In my opinion, the blame for this rests on the BCS itself. Boise State represents every reason why we need a playoff system, because they are not going to get a chance to show what they can or cannot do under the current system. They don't have a choice but to play their WAC (or soon to be Mountain West) schedule, and try to schedule tough out of conference games (which they have done as good a job as possible of doing). The answer is not to call Boise State a high school team or to say that they belong in the championship game- the answer is to fix the system so they get a fair shot.
Boise State plays one or two competitive games each year. It's a lot easier to prepare for one or two tough games than to have to play a tough game week in and week out like SEC or Big 12 teams have to do. There's a big difference between playing two ranked teams all season, including Va Tech who shouldn't even be in the top 50, and preparing to play 5-6 ranked teams.
You're right that we won't really know how good they are. They should be putting all their energy into getting into a real conference. The Big 12 or the Pac 10 would be good fits. The weekly grind of playing tough teams every week would prove how good they are. But if you haven't beaten anybody, you don't deserve to play in the NC game.
I misspoke when I said they were a glorified high school team, what I should have said is they play a glorified high school schedule. If a middle of the road SEC team played their schedule, they would likely go undefeated.
Oregon State will be their only chance for a quality win all season. They barely beat Virginia Tech, who lost to James Madison. Not a quality win at all. As I said, it's easier to prepare for one tough game a year (and Oregon State isn't that good) than to play 5-6 ranked teams.
On that Boise State note, I have to say this is pretty amusing
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2010-09-20/oregon-state-prepares-for-boise-state-with-blue-practice-field
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Word on the street is 440 gallons of paint went into the making of a blue field- that's a lot of money!
I will note that as a Boise State fan I am anti-Blue Turf. It was a neat gimmick when we were a I-AA/II school, but I feel like we'll never be taken seriously enough to get into the Pac 10 or Big 12 if we have a blue field.
That said, this seems like a remarkable waste of resources!
My TCU Froggies are doing good, crushed Baylor 41-10
After seeing this video, I don't like OU either.
One thing I will say about Boise State is they are very fast. The sad thing is we won't ever know how they would hang with the Big Boys week in and week out.
Quote from: Brandon on September 16, 2010, 10:53:16 AM
As a State fan, I hope RichRod stays at UM for a long time then. :sombrero:
Go Green, Go White!
My wife and I were at that game, and needless to say, the stadium went wild on that last play. From what I've heard of Coach Dantonio, he's going to be okay, thank God. :coffee:
How about that fake field goal? Gutsy, gutsy move. It literally gave the M-State coach a heart attack.
[Fixed quoting. -S.]
That was a thrilling win for Michigan State.
Recapping some the weekend of college football:
-Alabama rallied to beat Arkansas 24-20
-Texas upset at home by UCLA 34-12
-Florida's offense came alive behind six Trey Burton TDs and beat Kentucky 41-7
-Michigan rolls up 65 on Bowling Green, despite losing Denard Robinson in the first quarter
-Oklahoma struggles again against Cincinnati, winning 31-29
-Auburn comes from behind again to win, this time against South Carolina 35-27
Quote from: corco on September 20, 2010, 02:37:17 PM
The fact is that we DONT KNOW what Boise State could do- they have tried to schedule more difficult opponents in the last three years, but national-title seeking schools don't want to schedule out-of-conference games with us because they can't generate as much revenue playing us as they can a "name" school, and don't want to play a team they may lose to if they're not generating gobs of revenue.
No, teams don't want to pay Boise $1,000,000 for a home game (or some sum for a home & home) when they can find 200 different teams that'll play for well less than that. Boise is not the poor little pauper they claim to be here. They could schedule four good nonconference games if they so desired, but they would rather play one and a half (beating Oregon State 37-24 isn't all that impressive...beating Virginia Tech might be).
And if they want to be a consistent BCS title contender, they need to schedule four big time nonconference games every year, because they'll get their three-four cupcakes that everyone else gets in the conference schedule, whichever conference it is.
Quote from: exit322 on September 26, 2010, 10:56:38 AM
Quote from: corco on September 20, 2010, 02:37:17 PM
The fact is that we DONT KNOW what Boise State could do- they have tried to schedule more difficult opponents in the last three years, but national-title seeking schools don't want to schedule out-of-conference games with us because they can't generate as much revenue playing us as they can a "name" school, and don't want to play a team they may lose to if they're not generating gobs of revenue.
No, teams don't want to pay Boise $1,000,000 for a home game (or some sum for a home & home) when they can find 200 different teams that'll play for well less than that. Boise is not the poor little pauper they claim to be here. They could schedule four good nonconference games if they so desired, but they would rather play one and a half (beating Oregon State 37-24 isn't all that impressive...beating Virginia Tech might be).
And if they want to be a consistent BCS title contender, they need to schedule four big time nonconference games every year, because they'll get their three-four cupcakes that everyone else gets in the conference schedule, whichever conference it is.
Virginia Tech screwed that up when we lost to JMU.
QuoteNo, teams don't want to pay Boise $1,000,000 for a home game (or some sum for a home & home) when they can find 200 different teams that'll play for well less than that. Boise is not the poor little pauper they claim to be here. They could schedule four good nonconference games if they so desired, but they would rather play one and a half (beating Oregon State 37-24 isn't all that impressive...beating Virginia Tech might be).
And if they want to be a consistent BCS title contender, they need to schedule four big time nonconference games every year, because they'll get their three-four cupcakes that everyone else gets in the conference schedule, whichever conference it is.
Wait, so you're saying that Boise State does not deserve to be fairly compensated for playing good teams? That can't be right. Boise State is becoming a program that puts butts in seats. Boise State deserves to be compensated more than an Eastern Michigan or a Southern Mississippi. Maybe not as much as a USC or a Nebraska, but more than the cream-puff money-makers that good schools with tough conference schedules tend to schedule. If other teams don't want to pay up for a team that deserves compensation, that's not Boise State's fault.
Boise State is already at a remarkable disadvantage compared to "name" schools- there can't be any way to justify that they don't deserve the money they are entitled to when they play a big school.
So unless we're operating at a loss (a loss being anything less than fair compensation), we shouldn't get to play tough teams? and by extension, we shouldn't get to play in the title game? How is that even remotely fair.
All the more reason the system is the problem, not Boise State.
Then there's the argument that nobody else has cupcakes in their conference schedule. Ohio State plays Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota, and Illinois this year. Those are cupcakes. There's no way around that (and good teams lose to cupcakes! Ohio State lost to PURDUE last year. Purdue!). Ohio State has five of twelve games that be against ranked teams (Miami FL, Iowa, Wisconsin, Penn State, and Michigan). Boise has three (VT, Oregon State, and yes, Nevada)- it's not some huge disparity. If you're in the Big East, it's even worse! The SEC is a powerful conference for sure, but the rest of the BCS auto-qualifiers that get equal national championship consideration have series holes in them.
As a fan, it's getting very tiresome that every single time we take the field our credibility is on the line. If Alabama loses to a bad school, it'd be written off as a fluke (unless it happened again) and they'd still be in the title discussion, and probably even in the top 10. If Boise State loses to a bad school, we'll be lucky if we're still in the top 20, and we'd certainly be out of BCS bowl consideration. People make the strength of schedule argument and it's certainly valid (if a bit overstated*), but it can't be easy taking the field week in and week out knowing that if you so much as don't win by a lot you will no longer be taken seriously. That's an incredibly heavy load to carry. Boise may be playing a slightly easier schedule, but they can't afford to let up at all when they play them. They have to prepare for them just as much as anybody else has to prepare for really hard games, because not only do they have to win every game, they have to DOMINATE every game. That's really, really hard to do- how many schools have dominated every "easy" team they've played the last couple years?
*I do wonder how much of that is east coast bias. Living in the west, a school like South Carolina or Kentucky or Connecticut or Rutgers or Louisville mean nothing to me- they sound like bad schools- those names carry zero weight to me, when in fact they're not all that bad. If you live in the southeast, a Fresno State or Nevada or Stanford or BYU or Air Force may mean nothing to you, when in fact they're not all that bad (well, BYU might this year). Given that the east coast gets most media coverage, I'd wonder what the talent gap between "schools people in the west have never heard of that schools people in the east think are good" and "schools people in the east have never heard of that schools people in the west think are good" actually are. Couple that with the fact that South Carolina and Kentucky are more established than Nevada and Fresno State (and therefore ended up in large conferences a long time ago regardless of actual talent levels) simply as a function of geographic growth (something which has changed over time- there are a lot more people living in Reno and Fresno than there were in the 30s when the SEC was established ), and you wonder what the actual talent gap is. As someone with western tendencies, I'd take Nevada over South Carolina anytime. Somebody in Georgia would probably vehemently disagree and argue that South Carolina is a far better school. I look at next year's Mountain West and I see no way they aren't on the roughly same level as the Big East, even without Utah and BYU. BSU, TCU, and Nevada have all done quite well recently (Nevada fairly quietly), Fresno and Air Force are solid programs, and the rest suck. Big East- WVU, Pitt, Cincy are all good, Louisville/Rutgers/South Florida are all solid, and the rest suck.
Quote from: corco on September 26, 2010, 03:11:18 PMBoise State deserves to be compensated more than an Eastern Michigan or a Southern Mississippi.
Watch it now! I'm a Southern Miss grad. ;) I do know what you mean though.
Eastern Michigan was paid almost $12,000 per point Ohio State scored on them. I don't know what Marshall and the "Brutus haters" were paid to be roadkill in Columbus this year.
QuoteEastern Michigan was paid almost $12,000 per point Ohio State scored on them. I don't know what Marshall and the "Brutus haters" were paid to be roadkill in Columbus this year.
Was that the actual fee structure? Per point? Regardless, it doesn't matter if EMU was paid $10,000,000. Boise State deserves more money than Eastern Michigan does to visit a top-tier school based on added media exposure alone. (I realize OSU-EMU was inexplicably on ABC/ESPN, but an OSU-BSU game on ABC/ESPN would generate a ton more revenue (if only because that matchup would have been on ABC nationwide, not just the Midwest less a giant chunk of Illinois), so BSU should get more money!)
You damn well better believe they weren't paid per point.
QuoteYou damn well better believe they weren't paid per point.
Of course, that would be completely ridiculous. Still, it was phrased as if that were the case.
Quote from: corco on September 28, 2010, 10:23:34 PM
QuoteYou damn well better believe they weren't paid per point.
Of course, that would be completely ridiculous. Still, it was phrased as if that were the case.
Well, if you believe that......go to EMU :-P
Michigan's big game is this weekend, and I'm hearing MSU is favored over U of M. If MSU wins, this will be historical, as the Spartans have never beaten the Wolverines 3 years in a row. Go Green! :coffee:
Quote from: Tom on October 05, 2010, 04:39:53 PM
Michigan's big game is this weekend, and I'm hearing MSU is favored over U of M. If MSU wins, this will be historical, as the Spartans have never beaten the Wolverines 3 years in a row. Go Green! :coffee:
Not since 1967, but it happened again!
I believe it's Denard "Interception" Robinson now.
Go Green!
Go White! :cheers:
Edited to remove excessive number of smileys and sunshine and happiness because there is no happiness when U of M loses
Um, Alps, there is plenty of happiness when MSU beats UofM. :D
ALABAMA LOST TO SOUTH CAROLINA! I'm still laughing about that.
And the Razorbacks won, but barely. They played pretty badly. They left at least 17 points on the field. What should have been a blowout was a squaker.
Quote from: bugo on October 09, 2010, 08:46:36 PM
ALABAMA LOST TO SOUTH CAROLINA! I'm still laughing about that.
I'm still laughing about Garcia throwing the ball out of the back of the end zone, for a safety. He had no clue what he was doing with that. :-D :-D
Be well,
Bryant
Quote from: bugo on October 09, 2010, 08:46:36 PM
ALABAMA LOST TO SOUTH CAROLINA!
there is a particular sign collector that I just should not talk to in the next few days. Huge Alabama fan!
(it'll be okay, Robert. You did, after all, win the national championship last year!)
Quote from: Bryant5493 on October 09, 2010, 09:34:48 PM
Quote from: bugo on October 09, 2010, 08:46:36 PM
ALABAMA LOST TO SOUTH CAROLINA! I'm still laughing about that.
I'm still laughing about Garcia throwing the ball out of the back of the end zone, for a safety. He had no clue what he was doing with that. :-D :-D
Why didn't he just fall on the ball? He was on like the 4 yard line when he did that. Could have ended up costing them the game.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 09, 2010, 09:38:35 PM
Quote from: bugo on October 09, 2010, 08:46:36 PM
ALABAMA LOST TO SOUTH CAROLINA!
(it'll be okay, Robert. You did, after all, win the national championship last year!)
Every time I hear an Alabama fan brag about all their national championships, I think of this billboard:
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Still funny after all these years.
I wish they would use more comprehensible abbreviations on the scoreboards on college football. Half the time I don't know who's playing, and unlike professional sports I can't make a guess based on the uniforms, since there's only like 25 professional teams, all of which have familiar names, whereas there are approximately six colleges for each resident of the US. Things on the screen like "ULAF" or "UGH" doesn't really help me out much. Yes, I know it's a university, but they all are, so the U is just wasting my time...
^^^
Agreed, everyone knows that USC stands for the Trojans of SoCal.
Except for those in SEC country who have the audacity to assign those initials to University of South Carolina! :poke:
See, why can't they put "S. Cal" and "S.C."? Makes sense. I know some networks will show OU and OSU as "Okla." and "Okla. St." so...
there are way too many college football teams. well, rather, there are way too many violations of divisions and strength of schedule. what kind of morons want to see the University of Critical Manliness beat up Patsy A&H&T&S to the tune of 63-3? Oh, right, the boosters, who will pay to fly in a team, write them a check, and kick their ass soundly.
the most satisfying college football game I've ever seen is 1-AA paid rollover Appalachian State knocking off Big Bad Michigan in 2007. Oh, they were paid to fold? Looks like someone never got the memo.
College football is the ultimate in hypocrisy on so many levels. Just play a schedule that makes sense... oh, and don't act so surprised when your athletes find compensation proportionate to your services.
the NCAA needs to die in a fire. More generally, "amateurism" (with all the perverse incentives it implies) needs to die in a fire. If you can perform a service with greater skill than your competitor, it is not a crime that you should be paid for it.
Quote from: bugo on October 09, 2010, 09:49:14 PM
Quote from: Bryant5493 on October 09, 2010, 09:34:48 PM
Quote from: bugo on October 09, 2010, 08:46:36 PM
ALABAMA LOST TO SOUTH CAROLINA! I'm still laughing about that.
I'm still laughing about Garcia throwing the ball out of the back of the end zone, for a safety. He had no clue what he was doing with that. :-D :-D
Why didn't he just fall on the ball? He was on like the 4 yard line when he did that. Could have ended up costing them the game.
Exactly. At that point, I thought that was going to be the "back-breaker," if you will.
Be well,
Bryant
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 09, 2010, 11:08:55 PM
there are way too many college football teams. well, rather, there are way too many violations of divisions and strength of schedule. what kind of morons want to see the University of Critical Manliness beat up Patsy A&H&T&S to the tune of 63-3? Oh, right, the boosters, who will pay to fly in a team, write them a check, and kick their ass soundly.
the most satisfying college football game I've ever seen is 1-AA paid rollover Appalachian State knocking off Big Bad Michigan in 2007. Oh, they were paid to fold? Looks like someone never got the memo.
College football is the ultimate in hypocrisy on so many levels. Just play a schedule that makes sense... oh, and don't act so surprised when your athletes find compensation proportionate to your services.
the NCAA needs to die in a fire. More generally, "amateurism" (with all the perverse incentives it implies) needs to die in a fire. If you can perform a service with greater skill than your competitor, it is not a crime that you should be paid for it.
I agree with you 100%. The NCAA acts like it so dearly wants to be some sort of minor league to the NFL, and turns around and punishes people for not being amateur enough. What? If you're going to wheel and deal and make shady TV deals and conference bullshit, then you've already let money into the game. It's too late to pretend otherwise. Then you have the added BCS bullshit on top of that. Just have a playoff, the same way HS football below you and NFL above you do. Oh, what's that, you're worried about affecting the students? Hmm. Well, it's a good thing you weren't affecting them in any way for the rest of the season! Wait, you were? Oh.
Frankly, I would be happiest if football (and sports in general) were completely divorced from the educational system. It is so at odds from the core goals of these institutions (to impart knowledge and skills) and adds a bunch of idiotic distractions on top of it (it promotes school spirit? my learning institution is better than your learning institution? what the hell?) as well as financial obligations (dunno about other states, but here schools are perpetually cash-strapped) that I really don't see why they're still ganged together as if they were relevant to one another. I think this applies at all levels, high school, college, elementary, whatever.
Quote from: Brandon on October 09, 2010, 07:06:26 PM
Quote from: Tom on October 05, 2010, 04:39:53 PM
Michigan's big game is this weekend, and I'm hearing MSU is favored over U of M. If MSU wins, this will be historical, as the Spartans have never beaten the Wolverines 3 years in a row. Go Green! :coffee:
Not since 1967, but it happened again!
I believe it's Denard "Interception" Robinson now.
Go Green!
Go White! :cheers:
Edited to remove excessive number of smileys and sunshine and happiness because there is no happiness when U of M loses
Yes, I stand corrected on the 3-in-a-row, as it happened as you said, so now I suppose I should do some research to see if MSU has won over U of M 4 years in a row. :coffee:
The only "OSU" that matters is #1 again in football. Suck it, state up north. :poke: :-P
Quote from: Adam Smith on October 10, 2010, 11:29:04 PM
The only "OSU" that matters is #1 again in football. Suck it, state up north. :poke: :-P
Since when was Oklahoma State #1?
Quote from: Adam Smith on October 10, 2010, 11:29:04 PM
The only "OSU" that matters is #1 again in football. Suck it, state up north. :poke: :-P
Since when did The Game
TM matter? I'd rather see a real match up between the real contender in the State of Michigan and OSU rather than the pretender in the state.
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 09, 2010, 11:49:45 PM
Then you have the added BCS bullshit on top of that. Just have a playoff, the same way HS football below you and NFL above you do. Oh, what's that, you're worried about affecting the students? Hmm. Well, it's a good thing you weren't affecting them in any way for the rest of the season! Wait, you were? Oh.
Actually, it's only Division I-A that doesn't have an NCAA playoff system. All other divisions (I-AA, II and III) have playoff systems. I know because my alma mater (Bloomsburg University of PA) has often made the D-II playoff and, once, in 2000, made the national title game.
Now, if football players in D-II and D-III who rarely, if every, make pro and actually NEED a degree, can take time away from their studies, why can't they in D-IA?
Quote from: Brandon on October 11, 2010, 09:45:22 AM
Quote from: Adam Smith on October 10, 2010, 11:29:04 PM
The only "OSU" that matters is #1 again in football. Suck it, state up north. :poke: :-P
Since when did The GameTM matter? I'd rather see a real match up between the real contender in the State of Michigan and OSU rather than the pretender in the state.
I'll have to check Ohio State's schedule to see if Central or Western Michigan are on the schedule in the coming years.
For the third week in a row, #1 falls as Oklahoma (#1 in the BCS rankings) loses at Missouri 36-27. Does anybody want to be #1 now?
UW beat OSU by 1, which is slightly surpising, but we're getting raped by AU...
Quote from: KEK Inc. on October 24, 2010, 12:28:30 AM
UW beat OSU by 1, which is slightly surpising, but we're getting raped by AU...
I could have swore Wisconsin defeated Ohio State by more than one point the week before. Auburn can run over anyone.
Quote from: Adam Smith on October 24, 2010, 04:08:57 PM
Auburn can run over anyone.
Auburn had to have help from the refs to beat Arkansas. They should have lost that game.
An unwritten rule for the BCS - only an SEC or Big soon-to-be-less-than 12 team shall be top seed in the BCS. This is further restricted to Alabama, Florida, LSU, Auburn, Texas, Nebraska, or Oklahoma. Pac 10 teams (outside USC when the man is not keeping them down), garner no respect. If your not part of the inner circle, you don't deserve #2 even, (Boise State, TCU), The Big East is weak as it is. Big Ten - Ohio State and Michigan get respect, maybe Mich State or Wisconsin.
The fact that Auburn leapfrogged Oregon and Boise State pisses me off - whoever is programming those computers is getting paid very well.
Quote from: Master son on October 25, 2010, 01:28:12 PM
An unwritten rule for the BCS - only an SEC or Big soon-to-be-less-than 12 team shall be top seed in the BCS. This is further restricted to Alabama, Florida, LSU, Auburn, Texas, Nebraska, or Oklahoma. Pac 10 teams (outside USC when the man is not keeping them down), garner no respect. If your not part of the inner circle, you don't deserve #2 even, (Boise State, TCU), The Big East is weak as it is. Big Ten - Ohio State and Michigan get respect, maybe Mich State or Wisconsin.
The fact that Auburn leapfrogged Oregon and Boise State pisses me off - whoever is programming those computers is getting paid very well.
"The Man" is holding U$C back? "The Man" didn't force them to cheat. U$C deserves everything they get and more. I think they got off light considering what they did. They deserve the death penalty.
And Boise State, TCU, and Utah have no business being in the top 25, much less the NC title discussion. Their schedules are jokes. If you don't play anybody, you don't deserve to play in the NC game. Period. If BS were in the SEC West, they would have 3 losses by now. And the weakest SEC team would go unbeaten if they had BS's schedule. BS hasn't beaten anybody. They beat a horrible Virginia Tech team who lost to James freaking Madison and a 3-3 Oregon State team. No quality wins = undeserving to play in the NC game.
Utah made a great move by going to the Pac 10/12. If they go undefeated in that conference, then they deserve to be in the NC conversation. BS and TCU need to move to a real conference.
Quote from: bugo on October 25, 2010, 01:45:55 PM
Their schedules are jokes.
Until Division I-A has a playoff system like the rest of the NCAA, the so-called National Champion is a joke!
QuoteUtah made a great move by going to the Pac 10/12. If they go undefeated in that conference, then they deserve to be in the NC conversation. BS and TCU need to move to a real conference.
Is the Pac 10 actually that much better? The programs are "names"- but against non BCS I-A schools they aren't doing that well this season
Cal lost to Nevada, UCLA beat Houston, Oregon beat New Mexico, Washington State lost to freaking SMU, Washington lost to BYU, Arizona beat Toledo, USC beat Hawaii, and Oregon State lost to BSU and TCU
That's a 4-5 record the Pac-10 has against schools you consider shitty (and some of those are bad Pac-10 schools, but some of those other schools aren't exactly the cream of their respective divisions). I don't think the talent gap is nearly as great as you think it is.
UCLA also beat Texas pretty badly. Texas isn't that good this year, but the victory was still impressive.
QuoteUCLA also beat Texas pretty badly. Texas isn't that good this year, but the victory was still impressive.
So if a Pac 10 team beats a not-very-good BCS school it's impressive, but if a WAC team does the same thing it's not?
Non BCS schools are over .500 against the Pac 10. The WAC and Mountain West beat the Pac-10 more than they lose to them. How can you conceivably say they can't compete at the same level? They've proven that they can.
For those conferences to get a fair shot at competing, they don't have to play at the level of the Big 12 or SEC (who are really, really good conferences). They have to play at the same level as this year's Pac 10 or the Big East, because if one of those schools went undefeated we'd have no problem letting them into the championship game, and there's no evidence whatsoever to suggest the WAC or Mountain West can't hold their own against those leagues this year.
Quote from: bugo on October 25, 2010, 01:45:55 PM
They beat a horrible Virginia Tech team who lost to James freaking Madison and a 3-3 Oregon State team. No quality wins = undeserving to play in the NC game.
VT has won 6 straight since losing to JMU. I know that we have some tough games coming up(Georgia Tech at home, at UNC, at Miami) but if we can get through that to at least the ACC Title game I would consider that a quality win for Boise even though we did lose to an FCS school. However, our defense needs to start playing much better because it will be hard to just go outscore teams like Miami with their defense.
Quote from: corco on October 25, 2010, 03:39:23 PM
QuoteUCLA also beat Texas pretty badly. Texas isn't that good this year, but the victory was still impressive.
So if a Pac 10 team beats a not-very-good BCS school it's impressive, but if a WAC team does the same thing it's not?
Week in and week out, UCLA has a much tougher schedule than Boise State/TCU/Utah. The Pac 10 isn't that great this year, but it's much tougher than the Mountain West and WAC.
QuoteWeek in and week out, UCLA has a much tougher schedule than Boise State/TCU/Utah. The Pac 10 isn't that great this year, but it's much tougher than the Mountain West and WAC.
Again, I have absolutely no idea how you can say that. In 9 games this year against "easy" schools, the Pac-10 won FOUR of them. If those schools are so much easier, why did they lose to so many of them?
We have an objective and reasonably way to assess your claim that the Pac-10 is a lot harder than the WAC/Mountain West, by looking at out of conference play. Looking at out of conference play, we see the Pac-10 went 4-5 against non-BCS I-A schools. If you look, we see a good sample of quality level from both the Pac-10 and the non-conferences (there's good Pac-10 teams and good non-conference teams, as well as bad Pac-10 teams and bad non-conference teams), and we see that the Pac-10 really, in actual reality, played at about the same level as the non-conference schools. That's as objective an indicator you can possibly get that the Pac-10 doesn't play any better football than the WAC/Mountain West this year.
Long term is the Pac 10 a better conference? Absolutely. Over a 10 year period I'll take the Pac 10 over the WAC or Mountain West any time. But this year? There's no possible way to claim they are a better conference. They've proven it on the field.
Quote from: Adam Smith on October 24, 2010, 04:08:57 PM
Quote from: KEK Inc. on October 24, 2010, 12:28:30 AM
UW beat OSU by 1, which is slightly surpising, but we're getting raped by AU...
I could have swore Wisconsin defeated Ohio State by more than one point the week before. Auburn can run over anyone.
University of Washington (Husky) and Oregon State University (Beavers). :P
Jeremy and Pac 10 supporters will appreciate these scales for strength of schedule(s)
http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/current_congrove_rankings.html (http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/current_congrove_rankings.html)
http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/strength-of-schedule-by-team (http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/strength-of-schedule-by-team)
http://www.gberatings.com/sos/ (http://www.gberatings.com/sos/) - Readability of this list is akin to a vitologist blog :banghead:
Wow, I knew Wyoming played a tough schedule but holy smokes!
I see a lot of Mountain West love in there though- most of the toughest schedules have had at least one game against a Mountain West opponent.
But yeah, I guess the numbers disagree on SOS. Please hold while I eat my hat.
That said, I still maintain that the 4-5 record vs non BCS I-A schools makes the Pac-10 look really, really bad.
Look at Oregon all the way down there though! Number 1 team in the country according to humans!
Quote from: corco on October 25, 2010, 11:54:36 PM
Wow, I knew Wyoming played a tough schedule but holy smokes!
I see a lot of Mountain West love in there though- most of the toughest schedules have had at least one game against a Mountain West opponent.
But yeah, I guess the numbers disagree. Please hold while I eat my hat.
Look at Oregon all the way down there though! Number 1 team in the country according to humans!
Several of the SOS computer rankings I posted there are heavy on Pac 10 teams (with the SEC coming up immediately behind)
QuoteSeveral of the SOS computer rankings I posted there are heavy on Pac 10 teams (with the SEC coming up immediately behind)
Right, I just find it interesting that a cursory glance of those that played the toughest schedules have mostly at least one game against a Mountain West opponent. I'm not sure what that means, if anything, just saw that as interesting.
As for a school like Washington State, you may be playing a really tough schedule but a loss to freaking SMU pretty much negates any defense you have to the "oh my schedule is too tough" argument.
I hereby forbid OU from having football games while I'm trying to go to work.
I want to hear how a two loss Alabama team can still make it to the BCS championship game? :sombrero:
A: Lots and lots of dollars under the table. :-D
Quote from: Adam Smith on November 06, 2010, 11:23:21 PM
I want to hear how a two loss Alabama team can still make it to the BCS championship game? :sombrero:
At this point, it's hard to construct a realistic scenario that has anybody other than two of the four remaining unbeaten teams in the championship game.
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 07, 2010, 10:30:28 AM
Quote from: Adam Smith on November 06, 2010, 11:23:21 PM
I want to hear how a two loss Alabama team can still make it to the BCS championship game? :sombrero:
At this point, it's hard to construct a realistic scenario that has anybody other than two of the four two "recognized" remaining unbeaten teams in the championship game.
FIXED!! :sombrero:
There's no way that TCU and Boise State will make the championship game.
Quote from: Master son on November 07, 2010, 11:04:50 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 07, 2010, 10:30:28 AM
Quote from: Adam Smith on November 06, 2010, 11:23:21 PM
I want to hear how a two loss Alabama team can still make it to the BCS championship game? :sombrero:
At this point, it's hard to construct a realistic scenario that has anybody other than two of the four remaining unbeaten teams in the championship game.
There's no way that TCU and Boise State will make the championship game.
Unless Oregon and Auburn both lose.
Quote from: Master son on November 07, 2010, 11:04:50 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 07, 2010, 10:30:28 AM
Quote from: Adam Smith on November 06, 2010, 11:23:21 PM
I want to hear how a two loss Alabama team can still make it to the BCS championship game? :sombrero:
At this point, it's hard to construct a realistic scenario that has anybody other than two of the four two "recognized" remaining unbeaten teams in the championship game.
FIXED!! :sombrero:
There's no way that a Big Ten team will make the championship game over Boise State/TCU.
Re-fixed.
Some Notes on various things:
1. The Computer Rankings can only tell that you win your game, but not the score. Say Oregon defeats Auburn 13526-3, the computer reads that as: 1.Oregon beats 2.Auburn or yesterday's TCU-Utah game. That only registers as 3.TCU over 5.Utah
2. Also, the computer rankings only tell strength of schedule up to the day of the game played. The computer doesn't have Oregon playing 18.Arizona, or Boise playing 21.Nevada, or TCU playing their 2 remaining cupcakes(SDSU (oh wait, the AP polls have them 27th, as the second highest unranked) & UNM(damn, should be a blowout since Oregon beat them 72-0[see #1])) on it's SOS
3. Staying on the SOS, we look at the 4 undefeateds and the teams they played: Oregon has beaten the #6 and are going to play the 18th team. Auburn has beaten the #5,14, 19 and 23 teams and are going to play the #12, TCU has beaten the #14 team, Boise has beaten the #20 team and are going to play the #21 team
4. The only way I can see Alabama in the NC game is if Auburn loses it's last two (UGA and 'Bama) and LSU loses one(most likely to Arkansas) creating 3 two-loss-teams (or they lost twice, eliminating them), and, going through the SEC tiebreaking Formulas(head-to-head vs ARK[next best team in west]), LSU is eliminated. Alabama has defeated Auburn, so they would move on. They must kick-ass in the SEC Title game to have any shot at moving on to the NC.
5.For the final weeks, watch Boise State in Reno, Oregon in Corvallis, OR, Auburn in Tuscaloosa, AL, LSU in Fayettville, AR, Wisconsin in Ann Arbor, MI(the Big House), Nebraska in College Station, TX, Michigan State in State College, PA. Top teams with not-so-easy road games. The two teams missing: TCU(They do play SDSU in Ft. Worth(see #2)) and Oklahoma State(vs. 16 Oklahoma in Stillwater)
6.Glancing at the our new BCS standings: there are 3 teams from the Pac-10, 7 teams from the SEC, 4 teams from the Big Ten, 6 teams from the Big 12, 1 team from the ACC, 0 from the Big East, 2 from the MWC, 2 from the WAC. Apparently, 3 losses in a major conference is right behind a One-loss Nevada and ahead of a Two-Loss SDSU
7. "Cal lost to Nevada (THEY ARE RANKED), Washington State lost to freaking SMU (THIS IS INEXCUSABLE), Washington lost to BYU (BYU SUCKS THIS YEAR), and Oregon State lost to BSU and TCU (THIS IS ACTUALLY EXCUSABLE)" Notice that besides OSU, this is the crapper of this conference.
tl;dr
Quote from: AlpsROADS on November 07, 2010, 03:11:53 PM
Quote from: Master son on November 07, 2010, 11:04:50 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on November 07, 2010, 10:30:28 AM
Quote from: Adam Smith on November 06, 2010, 11:23:21 PM
I want to hear how a two loss Alabama team can still make it to the BCS championship game? :sombrero:
At this point, it's hard to construct a realistic scenario that has anybody other than two of the four remaining unbeaten teams in the championship game.
There's no way that TCU and Boise State will make the championship game.
Unless Oregon and Auburn both lose.
Nope - look at this week's. The humans have now rigged the system. Even though TCU is 2nd in the computer rankings, they remain 3rd in the Human polls.
LSU will jump Boise State if they keep winning - and likely TCU.
In the end, it's up to the bowl committees who goes to the games.
I would like to see a 5 way tie for first in the SEC West with LSU, MSU, Alabama, Auburn, and Arkansas all have 7-2 conference records.