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Started by Alex, February 11, 2009, 10:22:27 PM

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Roadsguy

I was wondering if there were any active plans to do anything with the grading and stub for the NB-SB loop ramp in that interchange. Guess this answers that. I take it removing the useless I-295 SB bridge over nothing from the old configuration is part of that project?
Mileage-based exit numbering implies the existence of mileage-cringe exit numbering.


Alex

Quote from: Roadsguy on December 10, 2015, 07:03:01 PM
I was wondering if there were any active plans to do anything with the grading and stub for the NB-SB loop ramp in that interchange. Guess this answers that. I take it removing the useless I-295 SB bridge over nothing from the old configuration is part of that project?

Both southbound bridges pass over long abandoned railroads. The northbound spans were removed when they reconstructed I-295 previously, so they should removed. The eastern one however will be the location of a new greenway tunnel.

Quote from: Alex4897 on December 09, 2015, 07:21:33 PM
Apparently the DRBA is on the verge of starting another I-295 / US 13 / US 40 interchange project.  This time they're moving the US 13 N > I-295 S from its current u-turn ramp configuration to a traditional cloverleaf on the other side of the interstate, adding a third lane to I-295 S for a consistent 3 lanes through the interchange, and tweaking a few other minor things.

The right-hand loop ramp from US 13 north to I-295 south is long overdue. I'm surprised that the outdated u-ramp lasted that long.
That pending detour using the loop ramps at DE 9 will be a pain though.

Alps

Quote from: Mapmikey on December 10, 2015, 09:11:55 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 03, 2015, 08:47:35 PM
Quote from: Alex4897 on December 03, 2015, 07:46:28 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on December 03, 2015, 03:55:49 PM
Anyone care to guess what DE will number the spur to the Summit Point Bridge while we are at it?

US 301 spur if anything at all. I could see it being signed as "TO 301" and "TO 896" for south / northbound traffic respectively.

Won't DelDOT have to sign Alternate U.S. 301 somewhere when they get the "new" (and tolled) U.S. 301 completed?

Do you remember U.S. 301 North and U.S. 301 South in Delaware?

According to this - http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us301/pdfs/Section_4BC_Roll_Maps_9-6-2011_1.pdf - it will be 301 SPUR

Mike
Has Delaware ever had a SPUR route before?

Alex4897

Quote from: Alps on December 10, 2015, 09:58:56 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on December 10, 2015, 09:11:55 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 03, 2015, 08:47:35 PM
Quote from: Alex4897 on December 03, 2015, 07:46:28 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on December 03, 2015, 03:55:49 PM
Anyone care to guess what DE will number the spur to the Summit Point Bridge while we are at it?

US 301 spur if anything at all. I could see it being signed as "TO 301" and "TO 896" for south / northbound traffic respectively.

Won't DelDOT have to sign Alternate U.S. 301 somewhere when they get the "new" (and tolled) U.S. 301 completed?

Do you remember U.S. 301 North and U.S. 301 South in Delaware?

According to this - http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us301/pdfs/Section_4BC_Roll_Maps_9-6-2011_1.pdf - it will be 301 SPUR

Mike
Has Delaware ever had a SPUR route before?
Not that I recall.
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Roadsguy

Quote from: Alex on December 10, 2015, 08:35:36 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 10, 2015, 07:03:01 PM
I was wondering if there were any active plans to do anything with the grading and stub for the NB-SB loop ramp in that interchange. Guess this answers that. I take it removing the useless I-295 SB bridge over nothing from the old configuration is part of that project?

Both southbound bridges pass over long abandoned railroads. The northbound spans were removed when they reconstructed I-295 previously, so they should removed. The eastern one however will be the location of a new greenway tunnel.

I didn't mean the old rail bridge, I meant this one that once carried the directional ramp from 13 SB to 295 NB as seen here.
Mileage-based exit numbering implies the existence of mileage-cringe exit numbering.

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Note:  Please direct any posts about the US 301 project over to the new topic.  If no other moderator or admin gets to it first, later today I will dig through and find all the posts that pertain to that particular project and move them there. 

EDIT:Also I left the SPUR Route in DE conversation not exactly related to the project in here.
-Mark 


New topic: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17015.0
I am now a PennDOT employee.  My opinions/views do not necessarily reflect the opinions/views of PennDOT.

Alex

Quote from: Alex4897 on December 10, 2015, 10:33:30 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 10, 2015, 09:58:56 PM
Has Delaware ever had a SPUR route before?
Not that I recall.

The formal name of the Delaware 141 reroute at Blue Ball is "Route 141 Spur". That is a close as they get with a spur route in the state.

jeffandnicole

Quote from: Alex4897 on December 09, 2015, 07:21:33 PM
Apparently the DRBA is on the verge of starting another I-295 / US 13 / US 40 interchange project.  This time they're moving the US 13 N > I-295 S from its current u-turn ramp configuration to a traditional cloverleaf on the other side of the interstate, adding a third lane to I-295 S for a consistent 3 lanes through the interchange, and tweaking a few other minor things.

Delaware Online article
PDF of the DRBA's plans

You can make the sink (295) as wide as you want, but without increasing the drain (2 lanes onto 95), the net result isn't going to improve conditions much.

The best improvement resulting from this construction will be the ability to maintain the same two lanes from the toll plaza area to 95 South.  Currently, due to the lane formed via the US 13 N to 295 S ramp, traffic in 295 South's right lane after the US 13/40 split has to merge to the left. 

I wished they would restripe the lanes leading away from the toll plaza as well.  Using https://goo.gl/maps/ktxJYpSB4aJ2, you can see there are currently 13 lanes in the toll plaza.  Generally, the left 3 (sometimes 4) lanes are EZ Pass Only, and lanes 10 & 11 towards the right are EZ Pass Only as well.

However, the left 5 lanes eventually all merge into 1 lane.  Lane 6 is striped so that no traffic has to merge into it.  Same with Lane 7.  Lane 8 maintains it's own lane as well, but traffic from Lanes 9 - 13 are forced to merge into it because those lanes lead up to the C/D Exit lane for Route 9. 

The net result is 2 of the 13 lanes have their own departing lane, and the other 11 departing lanes have to squeeze into the other 2 lanes.

It'll be much better to make the lanes merge more evenly:  Lanes 1 - 3 all merge into 1 lane.  Lanes 4 - 6, 7-9 & 10 - 13 can do the same.  The major issue today is that the majority of people using EZ Pass are using the left lanes, and have to merge right.  Those on the right from the cash lanes are merging left...and many times will merge left too far not realizing they were in the lanes that continue, and actually have to merge slightly right again.

Ironically, approaching the toll plaza, the stripping pattern provides for an even distribution of traffic, and works well.

Alex4897

Quote from: Alex on December 11, 2015, 09:28:35 AM
Quote from: Alex4897 on December 10, 2015, 10:33:30 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 10, 2015, 09:58:56 PM
Has Delaware ever had a SPUR route before?
Not that I recall.

The formal name of the Delaware 141 reroute at Blue Ball is "Route 141 Spur". That is a close as they get with a spur route in the state.
Oh yea, they ended up just signing it as the mainline so I completely forgot about that.
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ixnay

Back to the I-295 project... that DRBA link seems to indicate that the soon to be closed horseshoe ramp from NB 13 to SB 295 is just going to stand and rot for a year before it's dismantled, right?

ixnay
The Washington/Baltimore/Arlington CSA has two Key Bridges, a Minnesota Avenue, and a Mannasota Avenue.

Alex4897

Quote from: ixnay on December 11, 2015, 09:40:14 PM
Back to the I-295 project... that DRBA link seems to indicate that the soon to be closed horseshoe ramp from NB 13 to SB 295 is just going to stand and rot for a year before it's dismantled, right?

ixnay

It could be more than that, they didn't specify when exactly the ramp will close to begin with, it could be anywhere from now to this time next year.  They also didn't specify when exactly they'll be done with removing it, so it could be anywhere between 1 - 3 years closure to removal completion.
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Alex

Thinking more on this and ignoring those inane ALT and Truck routes that have appeared on the state map over the last 15 years, Delaware has not designated a new state route in quite a long time. SR 279 was just a renumber of SR 2, and its so poorly signed, they might as well have signed it as TO MD 279 and TO DE 4.

Scarborough Road was completed, but left unnumbered. The Puncheon Run Connector was never numbered. It appears the West Dover Connector currently under construction will not get a number. SR 141 was eventually rerouted over what was SR 141 Spur in name, with no new stretch numbered. Is DelDOT done designating new state routes?

Quote from: Alex4897 on December 03, 2015, 07:46:28 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on December 03, 2015, 03:55:49 PM
Anyone care to guess what DE will number the spur to the Summit Point Bridge while we are at it?

US 301 spur if anything at all. I could see it being signed as "TO 301" and "TO 896" for south / northbound traffic respectively.

A comparison can be made to unsigned I-495 in Maine, with its signage just reflecting TO I-95 westbound and TO I-295 eastbound. From a road enthusiast point of view :thumbdown:

Alex4897

Quote from: Alex on December 16, 2015, 06:42:44 PM
SR 279 was just a renumber of SR 2, and its so poorly signed, they might as well have signed it as TO MD 279 and TO DE 4.

But they've had no problem leaving up DE 2 shields from the state route's pre-1988 routing through Newark...
(unless that's Newark's fault, either way it's still ironic)
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Alex

Quote from: Alex4897 on December 17, 2015, 01:30:57 AM
Quote from: Alex on December 16, 2015, 06:42:44 PM
SR 279 was just a renumber of SR 2, and its so poorly signed, they might as well have signed it as TO MD 279 and TO DE 4.

But they've had no problem leaving up DE 2 shields from the state route's pre-1988 routing through Newark...
(unless that's Newark's fault, either way it's still ironic)

I made an effort on my last trip home to document all the remaining ones in Newark. Let's hope the 2di shields for SR 273 continue to live on.


Alex4897

Quote from: Alex on December 17, 2015, 08:00:55 AM
Quote from: Alex4897 on December 17, 2015, 01:30:57 AM
Quote from: Alex on December 16, 2015, 06:42:44 PM
SR 279 was just a renumber of SR 2, and its so poorly signed, they might as well have signed it as TO MD 279 and TO DE 4.

But they've had no problem leaving up DE 2 shields from the state route's pre-1988 routing through Newark...
(unless that's Newark's fault, either way it's still ironic)

I made an effort on my last trip home to document all the remaining ones in Newark. Let's hope the 2di shields for SR 273 continue to live on.


Those are still alive and well, I walk past them practically everyday.
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davewiecking

Quote from: ixnay on December 19, 2015, 09:34:26 PM
I didn't know about this detour until I was on my way home from Bethany Beach tonight...

http://bridgeville.delaware.gov/road-closure-portion-of-state-route-404/

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ma+%26+Pa's+Market/@38.7740983,-75.659721,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x89b88b314a06c427:0x229e0e2be7f296c2!5m1!1e1!8s0ALHuxZqsVlPON8AkqKfFIXQvWzWXGyHqEAChF3d3cuZm9vZGxpb24uY29tLxKyAWh0dHA6Ly9jbGlja3NlcnZlLmRhcnRzZWFyY2gubmV0L2xpbmsvY2xpY2s_bGlkPTQzNzAwMDA3MDE1NDEyNDIwJmRzX3Nfa3dnaWQ9NTg3MDAwMDA0OTE1NzYyMTAmZHNfZV9hZGlkPTgzMzQxMjM0MDMzJmRzX2VfbWF0Y2h0eXBlPXNlYXJjaCZkc19lX2RldmljZT1jJmRzX2VfbmV0d29yaz1nJmRzX3VybF92PTIaGEZvb2RMaW9uLmNvbSAtIEZvb2QgTGlvbiIjRWFzeSwgRnJlc2ggJiBBZmZvcmRhYmxlIEdyb2Nlcmllcy4qIlN0YXJ0IFNhdmluZyBUb2RheSB3aXRoIEZvb2QgTGlvbiE

The detour is still up, so obviously acts of God among other things have done havoc with the schedule.

BTW what's a "crossroad pipe"?

ixnay
Been annoying for a month now. Was even more so Thursday, because work was supposed to be done by now as you note. Corrugated drainage pipe rusted out, I believe. I'm on a DelDOT mailing list, and it seems they're always doing one of these somewhere, with accompanying closures and detours.

ixnay

Quote from: davewiecking on December 20, 2015, 12:23:53 AM
Quote from: ixnay on December 19, 2015, 09:34:26 PM
I didn't know about this detour until I was on my way home from Bethany Beach tonight...

http://bridgeville.delaware.gov/road-closure-portion-of-state-route-404/

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ma+%26+Pa's+Market/@38.7740983,-75.659721,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x89b88b314a06c427:0x229e0e2be7f296c2!5m1!1e1!8s0ALHuxZqsVlPON8AkqKfFIXQvWzWXGyHqEAChF3d3cuZm9vZGxpb24uY29tLxKyAWh0dHA6Ly9jbGlja3NlcnZlLmRhcnRzZWFyY2gubmV0L2xpbmsvY2xpY2s_bGlkPTQzNzAwMDA3MDE1NDEyNDIwJmRzX3Nfa3dnaWQ9NTg3MDAwMDA0OTE1NzYyMTAmZHNfZV9hZGlkPTgzMzQxMjM0MDMzJmRzX2VfbWF0Y2h0eXBlPXNlYXJjaCZkc19lX2RldmljZT1jJmRzX2VfbmV0d29yaz1nJmRzX3VybF92PTIaGEZvb2RMaW9uLmNvbSAtIEZvb2QgTGlvbiIjRWFzeSwgRnJlc2ggJiBBZmZvcmRhYmxlIEdyb2Nlcmllcy4qIlN0YXJ0IFNhdmluZyBUb2RheSB3aXRoIEZvb2QgTGlvbiE

The detour is still up, so obviously acts of God among other things have done havoc with the schedule.

BTW what's a "crossroad pipe"?

ixnay
Been annoying for a month now. Was even more so Thursday, because work was supposed to be done by now as you note. Corrugated drainage pipe rusted out, I believe. I'm on a DelDOT mailing list, and it seems they're always doing one of these somewhere, with accompanying closures and detours.

I just signed up for that list.  I don't how long you have been on that list, dave, but when detours are lifted, does DelDOT notify you?

ixnay
The Washington/Baltimore/Arlington CSA has two Key Bridges, a Minnesota Avenue, and a Mannasota Avenue.

davewiecking

Quote from: ixnay on December 22, 2015, 07:55:50 PM
I just signed up for that list.  I don't how long you have been on that list, dave, but when detours are lifted, does DelDOT notify you?
ixnay
About a decade. Generally they don't notify you when a project is wrapped up and a detour lifted, unless they're quite proud of something they've done. On the other hand, announcing that the detour has been extended probably should have been done. I just received notification of the posting of a 12/16/15 Press Release stating that the closure at the intersection of DE 20 with US 113 is scheduled to run until Jan 22, which is nice know, but I wish they'd have done the same for the extended work project on DE 404, which is now a week beyond its projected 4 week closure. (I think the DE20/US113 closure was originally announced as lasting 2 weeks, but they've pulled the original Press Release from the website. Today's received press release (dated a week ago) makes only inferential mention of the original schedule.  It's now scheduled for 6 weeks.)
The link you posted earlier from the town of Bridgeville has a much different detour than the one that DelDOT has signed along 404 and 36. And neither one is the shortest one that I've been using the past month, which admittedly uses some rather narrow roads that are a bit challenging with oncoming semis...

davewiecking

Quote from: mariethefoxy on November 30, 2015, 11:13:38 AM
I was down in Delmar over thanksgiving, if Route 54 is on the border line between Delaware and Maryland, how do they decide if it has the Delaware shield or the Maryland one. the segment in downtown Delmar has the MD shield, but closer to US 13 it has the DE shield.
And at the risk of having 2 posts in a row (on different DE topics), I drove 54 westbound a few days ago, and while I wasn't taking notes as I drove, I did remember seeing 2 MD 54 signs on posts stuck into DE soil, but only 1 such DE 54 (I wasn't closely checking my rear view mirror to see what was posted eastbound in MD soil). Most of this road is clearly in DE (except of course the part west of the state), but the stretch between Delmar and Gumboro Road (named E. Line Rd) is basically on the border. MD seems to have jurisdiction/maintenance over the eastern half of this stretch, mostly because it does veer into MD to avoid the Line Church Cemetery. There's a subtle change in the pavement just about the location of the DE 54 sign, making me think that DE maintains the stretch from there to Delmar.

NJRoadfan

PDF detailing the improvements and construction phases on I-295
http://www.drba.net/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=sXUcWX4n2yI%3d&tabid=39

It appears that the connection to I-295 south to I-95 south will be widened to 3 lanes.

froggie

I'm not seeing that.  The only widening they specify is that there'll be a 3rd lane southbound over US 13.

jeffandnicole

Quote from: NJRoadfan on December 25, 2015, 08:04:22 PM
PDF detailing the improvements and construction phases on I-295
http://www.drba.net/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=sXUcWX4n2yI%3d&tabid=39

It appears that the connection to I-295 south to I-95 south will be widened to 3 lanes.

It doesn't say that at all.

Alex4897

I drove DE 1 through the now mostly finished auxiliary lane project between US 40 and DE 273 and took a couple pictures of the signs that went up in conjunction with the project.  The gantries are (at least from what I've seen, correct me if I'm wrong) new to the state, but the signs themselves leave something to be desired.



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Alex

Quote from: Alex4897 on December 30, 2015, 03:12:30 PM
I drove DE 1 through the now mostly finished auxiliary lane project between US 40 and DE 273 and took a couple pictures of the signs that went up in conjunction with the project.  The gantries are (at least from what I've seen, correct me if I'm wrong) new to the state, but the signs themselves leave something to be desired.

Bob C. shared a pic of one with me a few weeks ago and stated the same thing about them being the first monotubes used in Delaware. I concur with both of you.

As for the design, at least they don't read "MUST EXIT", but they have the usual misuses of Clearview.



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