Here's something I was thinking about today: as far as major-league baseball teams go, what teams would be the "local team" or "home team" in states that don't have teams of their own? (That is, if you were to walk into a sports bar in that state on any given summer night, what game would you see on the TV's there, carrying the local channels? What teams do baseball fans in the state tend to cheer for?)
Anyway, here's my best guess at it:
Alabama: Braves
Alaska: Mariners
Arkansas: Cardinals (also Royals and Rangers in the western part)
Connecticut: Yankees/Mets south and west of Hartford; Red Sox to the north and east
Delaware: Phillies, Orioles, Nationals
Hawaii: if any teams are on, probably the Southern California ones (Dodgers, Angels, Padres)
Idaho: Rockies, Mariners
Indiana: Cubs/White Sox in the north; Cardinals and Reds in the south; maybe Tigers in the northeast part as well?
Iowa: Cubs, White Sox, Royals, Cardinals, Twins
Kansas: Royals (also Rockies in the west, perhaps)
Kentucky: Reds (probably also Cardinals in the west)
Louisiana: Astros, Braves
Maine: Red Sox
Mississippi: Braves
Montana: Rockies (maybe also Mariners in the west)
Nebraska: Royals in the east; Rockies in the west
Nevada: California teams (Giants and A's in Reno; Dodgers, Angels, and Padres in Vegas); also, Diamondbacks in Vegas and maybe Rockies in the northeast part?
New Hampshire: Red Sox
New Jersey: Yankees/Mets in the north; Phillies in the south
New Mexico: Diamondbacks, Rockies
North Carolina: Braves
North Dakota: Twins (also Rockies in the west)
Oklahoma: Royals, Rangers; maybe also Cardinals in the east?
Oregon: Mariners; also, perhaps Giants and A's in the southwest part near the California border
Rhode Island: Red Sox
South Carolina: Braves
South Dakota: Twins (also Rockies in the west)
Tennessee: Braves (also Cardinals in the west and maybe Reds in the northeastern mountain region)
Utah: Rockies
Vermont: Red Sox, Blue Jays
Virginia: Nationals/Orioles in the part by DC; Braves in Hampton Roads/Tidewater/Southside area; possibly Reds in the western mountain region
West Virginia: Reds in most of the state; Nationals/Orioles in the Eastern Panhandle area; Pirates in the Northern Panhandle area and around Morgantown
Wyoming: Rockies
Do those all seem right? Also, I'm wondering about regions of states that are distant from that state's teams, such as - for example - Upstate New York. (I believe most, if not all, of the state gets the Mets and Yankees, but I'm pretty sure the Southern Tier gets the Pirates, the area along the Canadian border gets the Blue Jays, and Buffalo and western NY can probably pick up the Blue Jays, Pirates, and Indians.) In addition, while Illinois has the Chicago teams, I believe all of the state south of, let's say, Bloomington is Cardinal country.
Anyway, what do you all think?
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And as you might expect, it is a gigantic mess when it comes to getting teams on TV in said territories, idiotic claims by teams that they shouldn't have that shut out teams that should be there, and more.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 22, 2021, 07:54:29 PM
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And as you might expect, it is a gigantic mess [...] idiotic claims by teams that they shouldn't have that shut out teams that should be there, and more.
What are some examples of such teams, in your opinion? I'm curious to know.
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Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 22, 2021, 07:54:29 PM
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And as you might expect, it is a gigantic mess [...] idiotic claims by teams that they shouldn't have that shut out teams that should be there, and more.
What are some examples of such teams, in your opinion? I'm curious to know.
Iowa is a commonly-cited example. Say you're a Milwaukee Brewers fan living in Council Bluffs, 500 miles from Milwaukee. That's still Brewers television territory, so Brewers games are blacked out on either MLB.tv (streaming) or MLB Extra Innings (cable/satellite), and the only way to watch a Brewers game is if your cable, satellite or streaming provider carries "Bally Sports Wisconsin", the RSN which carries the Brewers games. But if you hop over the river to Omaha, that's out of the Brewers television territory, so you're good to go for Brewers games with either MLB.tv or MLB Extra Innings.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 22, 2021, 07:54:29 PM
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And as you might expect, it is a gigantic mess when it comes to getting teams on TV in said territories, idiotic claims by teams that they shouldn't have that shut out teams that should be there, and more.
To explain this map a bit further. For areas where a team is listed, that is part of the team's "home territory" and you can ONLY watch the team through the Regional Sports Network (RSN) that broadcasts their games, and if you pay for MLB.tv and/or MLB Extra Innings, the game will be blacked out.
For any areas where a team is NOT listed, you can ONLY watch the team through MLB.tv and/or MLB Extra Innings, and if you happen to subscribe to that teams RSN the games will be blacked out.
The biggest problem is that there are areas that are part of a team's "home territory" that don't carry that team's RSN, so they can't watch the team via either method. For the Chicago teams, there are significant chunks of IL, IN and IA that don't carry the Chicago RSNs (Sox and Cubs are on separate ones), but because they are part of the "home territory" you also can't get the games on MLB EI or MLB.tv
I pretty much know the Northeast by heart
ME, NH, VT, and RI: Red Sox
CT: Yankees/Mets entire state, Red Sox all but Fairfield County
NJ: Yankees/Mets northern half, Phillies southern half. One county (either Somerset or Mercer) has all 3
DE: Phillies, O's, Nats throughout
VA: O's/Nats
WV: Pirates most of the State, Indians and Reds about half of the state, O's/Nats in the panhandle.
Some of the states that actually have teams are interesting as well:
NY: Yankees and Mets get the whole state. Indians and Pirates get the Buffalo area
PA: Pirates get the whole state except the Philly DMA, Phillies only get the Philly, most of Scranton, and Harrisburg DMA's. The O's/Nats get the Harrisburg DMA and a couple counties that are part of the DC market. The Yankees/Mets get the Scranton DMA and Pike County (part of NYC market). The Indians get the Erie area. The crazy thing is that Matamoras in Pike County is closer to Boston and Baltimore than Pittsburgh, but is still considered part of the Pirates market.
The Reds have a crazy market, which even includes part of NC (who knew there were Reds fans in NC?)
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 23, 2021, 01:05:56 PM
I pretty much know the Northeast by heart
ME, NH, VT, and RI: Red Sox
CT: Yankees/Mets entire state, Red Sox all but Fairfield County
NJ: Yankees/Mets northern half, Phillies southern half. One county (either Somerset or Mercer) has all 3
DE: Phillies, O's, Nats throughout
VA: O's/Nats
WV: Pirates most of the State, Indians and Reds about half of the state, O's/Nats in the panhandle.
Some of the states that actually have teams are interesting as well:
NY: Yankees and Mets get the whole state. Indians and Pirates get the Buffalo area
PA: Pirates get the whole state except the Philly DMA, Phillies only get the Philly, most of Scranton, and Harrisburg DMA's. The O's/Nats get the Harrisburg DMA and a couple counties that are part of the DC market. The Yankees/Mets get the Scranton DMA and Pike County (part of NYC market). The Indians get the Erie area. The crazy thing is that Matamoras in Pike County is closer to Boston and Baltimore than Pittsburgh, but is still considered part of the Pirates market.
The Reds have a crazy market, which even includes part of NC (who knew there were Reds fans in NC?)
I grew up in Somerset County (Franklin Township), but we never really got anything from Philly except for the CW/Fox stations. It must be Mercer County that gets the notable coverage from the two major cities in the area.
Maybe that's why the Somerset Patriots are now the Yanks' AA affiliate instead of the Trenton Thunder.
Reds for most of the state, Cards (and to a lesser extent, Cubs) in the western part. And the Braves, owing to (as I have previously noted) the pervasive presence of WTBS Channel 17 on cable systems in the late 70s-early 80s.
I don't see where Vermont would have any ties to the Blue Jays. It's a New England state I would think the Red Sox dominate it.
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 23, 2021, 10:23:01 PM
I don't see where Vermont would have any ties to the Blue Jays. It's a New England state I would think the Red Sox dominate it.
Maybe the Expos had a following when they were still around.
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Quote from: Flint1979 on April 23, 2021, 10:23:01 PM
I don't see where Vermont would have any ties to the Blue Jays. It's a New England state I would think the Red Sox dominate it.
Maybe the Expos had a following when they were still around.
Their following dwindled in the latter years in Montreal.
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I don't see where Vermont would have any ties to the Blue Jays. It's a New England state I would think the Red Sox dominate it.
Maybe the Expos had a following when they were still around.
Their following dwindled in the latter years in Montreal.
Probably, the 1994 strike, unfortunately, did not do the team any favors.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 23, 2021, 10:27:39 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 23, 2021, 10:23:01 PM
I don't see where Vermont would have any ties to the Blue Jays. It's a New England state I would think the Red Sox dominate it.
Maybe the Expos had a following when they were still around.
Canadian fandom tends to end at the border. Blue Jays games are not available in any part of the US (unless Rogers SportsNet is on any cable system in Western NY) However, there is a strong contingent of Sox fans in the Maritimes from when TV-38 showed games (its available on most cable systems). Only Expos contingent may have been in the Champlain Valley, but they certainly didn't become Nats fans after they moved.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 23, 2021, 10:27:39 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 23, 2021, 10:23:01 PM
I don't see where Vermont would have any ties to the Blue Jays. It's a New England state I would think the Red Sox dominate it.
Maybe the Expos had a following when they were still around.
Maybe a few but the Expos really didn't have that many fans.
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Quote from: Flint1979 on April 23, 2021, 10:23:01 PM
I don't see where Vermont would have any ties to the Blue Jays. It's a New England state I would think the Red Sox dominate it.
Maybe the Expos had a following when they were still around.
Canadian fandom tends to end at the border. Blue Jays games are not available in any part of the US (unless Rogers SportsNet is on any cable system in Western NY) However, there is a strong contingent of Sox fans in the Maritimes from when TV-38 showed games (its available on most cable systems). Only Expos contingent may have been in the Champlain Valley, but they certainly didn't become Nats fans after they moved.
I think that the Canadiens have somewhat of a following in Northern New England.
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 23, 2021, 10:23:01 PM
I don't see where Vermont would have any ties to the Blue Jays. It's a New England state I would think the Red Sox dominate it.
Yankees used to dominate it, maybe because most of the population is on the NY side of the mountains. I think at this point it's more Boston.
I have an Uncle that lives in Vermont I'll have to ask him what MLB team Vermont supports. I'm sure he's going to say Boston.
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Quote from: Flint1979 on April 23, 2021, 10:23:01 PM
I don't see where Vermont would have any ties to the Blue Jays. It's a New England state I would think the Red Sox dominate it.
Yankees used to dominate it, maybe because most of the population is on the NY side of the mountains. I think at this point it's more Boston.
The Yankees have fans all over the place so it doesn't really surprise me. As a White Sox fan I always find it amusing to find another White Sox fan in Michigan.
I once saw an MLB fan map which had Louisiana, Utah, and parts of Flordia as Yankees territory.
I've heard Boston teams dominate pro sports fandom in the Maritime provinces. Probably some Penguins fans have taken hold as well since Crosby is from NS.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 23, 2021, 01:05:56 PM
I pretty much know the Northeast by heart
VA: O's/Nats
Baseball, correct, pretty much; geography incorrect. Virginia is in the "northeast"?
While support for the Redskins extends all the way to Lee County, baseball is a little different. Historically, folks in southwestern Virginia were split between the Senators and the Reds. The Senators moving and an inept Reds TV deal allowed the area to really become a Braves area.
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WV: Pirates most of the State, Indians and Reds about half of the state, O's/Nats in the panhandle.
As far a the claims map, the Pirates claim the ENTIRE state, which is ridiculous. Pirates fandom is limited to the northern panhandle and the Fairmont-Clarksburg-Morgantown area. Zero legitimacy to the Pirate claim south of about MP 100 of I-79, or east of the eastern continental divide.
The Orioles/Nationals correctly claim the eastern panhandle, which gets DC TV stations and the populated part of it is a DC exurb.
The Reds claim main body of the state: the coalfields, the Huntington-Charleston I-64 urban corridor, Parkersburg, etc. Actually a bit of an underclaim, as they don't claim the Greenbrier Valley. The Indians just overlap the Reds claims, which they also do in eastern Kentucky, which is among the most ridiculous claims on the entire map. There is zero Indians fandom in WV or KY.
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Some of the states that actually have teams are interesting as well:
NY: Yankees and Mets get the whole state. Indians and Pirates get the Buffalo area
Another example of the vast overclaims by Pittsburgh and Cleveland. Pittsburgh also claims Columbus, which is probably 75/25 Reds/Indians, depending on who is good at a particular time.
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The Reds have a crazy market, which even includes part of NC (who knew there were Reds fans in NC?)
Some of this dates from the days of WLW and KMOX, when Cincinnati and St. Louis were as far south and west as the leagues went. The Reds even claim a part of northern Mississippi, which is dumb. As to NC, the east, particularly the northeast, is more Orioles/Nationals than anything. The main populated parts of the state, the Piedmont, is all over the place, but more Braves than anything.
Nevada will probably fall off your list eventually. I think the A's grow tired of the "ought to be condemned" Oakland Coliseum and yet another Oakland franchise is poached by Las Vegas.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 23, 2021, 10:37:23 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 23, 2021, 10:27:39 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 23, 2021, 10:23:01 PM
I don't see where Vermont would have any ties to the Blue Jays. It's a New England state I would think the Red Sox dominate it.
Maybe the Expos had a following when they were still around.
Canadian fandom tends to end at the border. Blue Jays games are not available in any part of the US (unless Rogers SportsNet is on any cable system in Western NY) However, there is a strong contingent of Sox fans in the Maritimes from when TV-38 showed games (its available on most cable systems). Only Expos contingent may have been in the Champlain Valley, but they certainly didn't become Nats fans after they moved.
Boston TV is oddly quite available in Nova Scotia. I stayed in Halifax in 2018, my hotel had all the local affiliates that were part of a network, NESN, and NBC Sports Boston.
With the Expos and Vermont, there was a minor league team in Winooski, but it really didn't draw additional interest in the mother team. Just like no one cares about the Blue Jays in Manchester NH.
Regarding Virginia, Richmond has a strong (and largely obnoxious in terms of trying to make sure everyone knows they're there) contingent of Atlanta fans because the city was home to their AAA affiliate for about 40 years (the Richmond Braves). The team moved to Georgia in 2009.
The reasons why the Reds and Cardinals have such a big following is because of their 50,000 watt flagship stations. WLW in Cincinnati and KMOX in St. Louis. Before 2000 the Tigers were on WJR but now you can't pickup their flagship station outside of the metro area.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 23, 2021, 10:37:23 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 23, 2021, 10:27:39 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 23, 2021, 10:23:01 PM
I don't see where Vermont would have any ties to the Blue Jays. It's a New England state I would think the Red Sox dominate it.
Maybe the Expos had a following when they were still around.
Canadian fandom tends to end at the border. Blue Jays games are not available in any part of the US (unless Rogers SportsNet is on any cable system in Western NY) However, there is a strong contingent of Sox fans in the Maritimes from when TV-38 showed games (its available on most cable systems). Only Expos contingent may have been in the Champlain Valley, but they certainly didn't become Nats fans after they moved.
With the Blue Jays playing in Buffalo last year and (likely) the remainder of this season, there might be a small but growing contingent of Jays fans in Western New York. Speaking of Canada, southwestern Ontario is Tigers country.
Some teams' territories may have to do with historical cable carriage of superstations in the 70s and 80s. For example, WPIX (the Yankees' flagship) was the only NYC-based station carried on cable in the Champlain Valley.
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 24, 2021, 01:53:53 PM
Nevada will probably fall off your list eventually. I think the A's grow tired of the "ought to be condemned" Oakland Coliseum and yet another Oakland franchise is poached by Las Vegas.
I hate that stadium.
This thread made me wonder about something: Is there a part of Texas that is not part of a Texan team's media market in any pro sport? (ditto for other states)
Quote from: CoreySamson on April 24, 2021, 07:46:48 PM
This thread made me wonder about something: Is there a part of Texas that is not part of a Texan team's media market in any pro sport? (ditto for other states)
I would assume Fox Sports Southwest well now Bally Sports Southwest, I haven't caught on with their name change but anyway I would assume that channel covers most of Texas if it doesn't it's probably in the rural western part of the state that it doesn't.
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Quote from: CoreySamson on April 24, 2021, 07:46:48 PM
This thread made me wonder about something: Is there a part of Texas that is not part of a Texan team's media market in any pro sport? (ditto for other states)
I would assume Fox Sports Southwest well now Bally Sports Southwest, I haven't caught on with their name change but anyway I would assume that channel covers most of Texas if it doesn't it's probably in the rural western part of the state that it doesn't.
In Michigan, the Lions' market doesn't include the western Upper Peninsula (however, the other Detroit teams' markets do include the entire UP and some border areas of Wisconsin; Menominee/Marinette gets both Bally Detroit and Bally Wisconsin on cable while Ironwood/Hurley gets only Bally Detroit AFAIK).
Speaking of Texas, El Paso does get Bally Southwest, as well as (oddly) Spectrum Sportsnet, which carries the Lakers, on cable.
Quote from: ftballfan on April 24, 2021, 09:31:52 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 24, 2021, 07:54:56 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on April 24, 2021, 07:46:48 PM
This thread made me wonder about something: Is there a part of Texas that is not part of a Texan team's media market in any pro sport? (ditto for other states)
I would assume Fox Sports Southwest well now Bally Sports Southwest, I haven't caught on with their name change but anyway I would assume that channel covers most of Texas if it doesn't it's probably in the rural western part of the state that it doesn't.
In Michigan, the Lions' market doesn't include the western Upper Peninsula (however, the other Detroit teams' markets do include the entire UP and some border areas of Wisconsin; Menominee/Marinette gets both Bally Detroit and Bally Wisconsin on cable while Ironwood/Hurley gets only Bally Detroit AFAIK).
Speaking of Texas, El Paso does get Bally Southwest, as well as (oddly) Spectrum Sportsnet, which carries the Lakers, on cable.
That's probably because if I recall it's Packers territory in the western U.P.
The Lions do have the luxury of having WJR for a flagship radio station though.
Pretty sure we get the Cubs and Twins in Wisconsin, in addition to the Brewers.
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That's probably because if I recall it's Packers territory in the western U.P. .
There are Packers flags on every other house in Ironwood.
Quote from: thspfc on April 25, 2021, 03:24:34 PM
Pretty sure we get the Cubs and Twins in Wisconsin, in addition to the Brewers.
The Twins share the Wisconsin part of the Twin Cities media market with Milwaukee, but (a thing created much frustration for me in college) the Twins do not have any claim to Superior and as such the Twins are not available there.
I would argue Pirates for the I-81 corridor in Virginia
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I would argue Pirates for the I-81 corridor in Virginia
Yarr! Duval!
Oops, wrong valley.
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 24, 2021, 07:39:15 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 24, 2021, 01:53:53 PM
Nevada will probably fall off your list eventually. I think the A's grow tired of the "ought to be condemned" Oakland Coliseum and yet another Oakland franchise is poached by Las Vegas.
I hate that stadium.
Hang on, there is a proposal to build a new ballpark in Oakland, so the A's may not yet follow the Raiders out of town yet. We will see in 2024, though...
Some of the territorial boundaries in the northeast do need to be re-drawn. Here is what they should look like:
Red Sox: All of New England including Fairfield County, the Albany DMA, the Plattsburgh side of the Burlington DMA, Suffolk County LI
Yankees/Mets: All of NY state, all of CT, Berkshire County, MA, all of VT except Windham County, NJ except Camden, Gloucester, Salem, Cumberland, and Cape May Counties, PA northeast of a line that follows I-81, I-80, I-476, and I-78.
Phillies: Eastern PA (Philly, Scranton, Harrisburg, and the couple counties in the Washington DMA), NJ except Morris, Passaic, Bergen, Essex, Hudson, and Union Counties, all of DE, Cecil County, MD
O's/Nats: All of MD, DC, all of DE, Harrisburg and DC DMA counties in PA, all of VA, eastern WV.
The Pirates territory in PA needs to be trimmed a bit. It shouldn't include anything east of the Susquehanna River up to SWB and I-81 north of there.
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 24, 2021, 07:39:15 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 24, 2021, 01:53:53 PM
Nevada will probably fall off your list eventually. I think the A's grow tired of the "ought to be condemned" Oakland Coliseum and yet another Oakland franchise is poached by Las Vegas.
I hate that stadium.
The Coliseum is easily the worst of the NFL stadiums currently being used. Easy argument for any city wanting to poach the A's.
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 28, 2021, 07:39:59 PM
The Coliseum is easily the worst of the NFL stadiums currently being used. Easy argument for any city wanting to poach the A's.
Do you mean MLB stadiums as the Raiders left?
The White Sox have fans all over the country. I've bumped into several fellow Sox fans on my many road trips and we do exist. They are one of the charter American League teams and have an established following no matter who wants to believe it.
IMHO, here is how the MLB territories should be (by DMA; map of DMAs and radio markets can be found at https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Arbitron/Market-Maps/Nielsen-Market-Map-Fall%202020.pdf):
Arizona: Albuquerque/Santa Fe, Phoenix, Tucson, Yuma/El Centro
Atlanta: Albany (GA), Atlanta, Augusta, Birmingham/Tuscaloosa, Bristol/Kingsport/Johnson City, Charleston (SC), Charlotte, Chattanooga, Columbia (SC), Columbus (GA), Columbus/Tupelo/West Point, Dothan, Florence/Myrtle Beach, Greensboro/Winston-Salem/High Point, Greenville/New Bern/Jacksonville, Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville, Greenwood/Greenville, Gulfport/Biloxi, Hattiesburg/Laurel, Huntsville/Decatur, Jackson (MS), Jackson (TN), Jacksonville, Knoxville, Macon, Memphis, Meridian, Mobile/Pensacola/Fort Walton Beach, Montgomery, Nashville, Panama City, Raleigh/Durham, Savannah, Tallahassee, Wilmington
Baltimore and Washington: Baltimore, Harrisburg/Lancaster/York, Harrisonburg, Norfolk/Virginia Beach, Richmond, Roanoke/Lynchburg, Washington DC
Boston: Albany/Schenectady, Bangor, Boston, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Hartford/New Haven, Portland (ME), Presque Isle, Providence/New Bedford, Springfield (MA)
Chicago (both): Cedar Rapids/Waterloo, Champaign/Springfield/Decatur, Chicago, Des Moines, Fort Wayne, Indianapolis, Lafayette (IN), Ottumwa/Kirksville, Peoria/Bloomington, Quad Cities, Quincy/Hannibal/Keokuk, Rockford, South Bend/Elkhart, Terre Haute
Cincinnati: Bluefield/Beckley/Oak Hill, Bowling Green, Bristol/Kingsport/Johnson City, Charleston/Huntington, Cincinnati, Columbus (OH), Dayton, Evansville, Indianapolis, Knoxville, Lexington, Lima, Louisville, Nashville, Parkersburg/Marietta, Zanesville
Cleveland: Cleveland, Columbus (OH), Erie, Lima, Toledo, Wheeling/Steubenville, Youngstown, Zanesville
Colorado: Albuquerque/Santa Fe, Billings, Butte/Bozeman, Casper/Riverton, Cheyenne/Scottsbluff, Colorado Springs/Pueblo, Denver, Grand Junction, Great Falls, Helena, Rapid City, Salt Lake City
Detroit: Alpena, Detroit, Flint/Saginaw/Bay City, Fort Wayne, Grand Rapids/Kalamazoo/Battle Creek, Lansing, Marquette, South Bend/Elkhart, Toledo, Traverse City/Cadillac
Houston: Alexandria (LA), Austin, Baton Rouge, Beaumont/Port Arthur, Corpus Christi, Houston, Lafayette (LA), Lake Charles, Laredo, McAllen/Brownsville/Harlingen, New Orleans, San Antonio, Victoria, Waco/Temple/Bryan
Kansas City: Columbia (MO), Des Moines, Joplin/Pittsburg, Kansas City, Lincoln/Hastings/Kearney, North Platte, Omaha, Ottumwa/Kirksville, St. Joseph, Sioux City, Springfield (MO), Topeka, Wichita/Hutchinson
Los Angeles (both): Bakersfield, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Palm Springs, Santa Barbara/San Luis Obispo
Miami: Fort Myers/Naples, Miami/Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach/Fort Pierce
Milwaukee: Eau Claire/La Crosse, Green Bay/Appleton, Madison, Milwaukee, Wausau/Rhinelander
Minnesota: Bismarck/Minot/Williston/Dickinson, Des Moines, Duluth/Superior, Fargo/Grand Forks, Glendive, Mankato, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Rochester/Austin/Mason City, Sioux City, Sioux Falls
New York (both): Albany/Schenectady, Binghamton, Buffalo, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Elmira/Corning, Hartford/New Haven, New York City, Rochester (NY), Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Syracuse, Utica/Rome, Watertown
Philadelphia: Harrisburg/Lancaster/York, Philadelphia, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre
Pittsburgh: Clarksburg/Weston, Erie, Johnstown/Altoona/State College, Pittsburgh, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Wheeling/Steubenville, Youngstown
San Diego: San Diego, Yuma/El Centro
San Francisco and Oakland: Chico/Redding, Eureka, Fresno, Medford/Klamath Falls, Monterey/Salinas, Reno, Sacramento/Stockton, San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose
Seattle: Bend, Boise, Eugene, Idaho Falls/Pocatello, Missoula/Kalispell, Portland (OR), Seattle/Tacoma, Spokane, Twin Falls, Yakima/Tri-Cities
St. Louis: Champaign/Springfield/Decatur, Columbia (MO), Evansville, Jackson (TN), Jonesboro, Memphis, Ottumwa/Kirksville, Paducah/Cape Girardeau, Peoria/Bloomington, Quincy/Hannibal/Keokuk, St. Louis, Springfield (MO), Terre Haute
Tampa Bay: Fort Myers/Naples, Gainesville/Ocala, Orlando/Daytona Beach/Melbourne, Tampa/St. Petersburg
Texas: Abilene, Amarillo, Austin, Dallas/Fort Worth, El Paso/Las Cruces, Fort Smith/Fayetteville, Little Rock, Lubbock, Midland/Odessa, Monroe/El Dorado, Oklahoma City, San Angelo, San Antonio, Sherman/Ada, Shreveport/Texarkana, Tulsa, Tyler/Longview, Waco/Temple/Bryan, Wichita Falls/Lawton
The Blue Jays would have all of Canada, as well as the Buffalo and Rochester (NY) DMAs. The Jays would share southwestern Ontario and Algoma District (Soo Ontario) with the Tigers.
Quote from: ftballfan on April 28, 2021, 10:23:39 PM
IMHO, here is how the MLB territories should be (by DMA; map of DMAs and radio markets can be found at https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Arbitron/Market-Maps/Nielsen-Market-Map-Fall%202020.pdf):
Arizona: Albuquerque/Santa Fe, Phoenix, Tucson, Yuma/El Centro
Atlanta: Albany (GA), Atlanta, Augusta, Birmingham/Tuscaloosa, Bristol/Kingsport/Johnson City, Charleston (SC), Charlotte, Chattanooga, Columbia (SC), Columbus (GA), Columbus/Tupelo/West Point, Dothan, Florence/Myrtle Beach, Greensboro/Winston-Salem/High Point, Greenville/New Bern/Jacksonville, Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville, Greenwood/Greenville, Gulfport/Biloxi, Hattiesburg/Laurel, Huntsville/Decatur, Jackson (MS), Jackson (TN), Jacksonville, Knoxville, Macon, Memphis, Meridian, Mobile/Pensacola/Fort Walton Beach, Montgomery, Nashville, Panama City, Raleigh/Durham, Savannah, Tallahassee, Wilmington
Baltimore and Washington: Baltimore, Harrisburg/Lancaster/York, Harrisonburg, Norfolk/Virginia Beach, Richmond, Roanoke/Lynchburg, Washington DC
Boston: Albany/Schenectady, Bangor, Boston, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Hartford/New Haven, Portland (ME), Presque Isle, Providence/New Bedford, Springfield (MA)
Chicago (both): Cedar Rapids/Waterloo, Champaign/Springfield/Decatur, Chicago, Des Moines, Fort Wayne, Indianapolis, Lafayette (IN), Ottumwa/Kirksville, Peoria/Bloomington, Quad Cities, Quincy/Hannibal/Keokuk, Rockford, South Bend/Elkhart, Terre Haute
Cincinnati: Bluefield/Beckley/Oak Hill, Bowling Green, Bristol/Kingsport/Johnson City, Charleston/Huntington, Cincinnati, Columbus (OH), Dayton, Evansville, Indianapolis, Knoxville, Lexington, Louisville, Nashville, Parkersburg/Marietta, Zanesville
Cleveland: Cleveland, Columbus (OH), Erie, Lima, Toledo, Wheeling/Steubenville, Youngstown, Zanesville
Colorado: Albuquerque/Santa Fe, Billings, Butte/Bozeman, Casper/Riverton, Cheyenne/Scottsbluff, Colorado Springs/Pueblo, Denver, Grand Junction, Great Falls, Helena, Rapid City, Salt Lake City
Detroit: Alpena, Detroit, Flint/Saginaw/Bay City, Fort Wayne, Grand Rapids/Kalamazoo/Battle Creek, Lansing, Marquette, South Bend/Elkhart, Toledo, Traverse City/Cadillac
Houston: Alexandria (LA), Austin, Baton Rouge, Beaumont/Port Arthur, Corpus Christi, Houston, Lafayette (LA), Lake Charles, Laredo, McAllen/Brownsville/Harlingen, New Orleans, San Antonio, Victoria, Waco/Temple/Bryan
Kansas City: Columbia (MO), Des Moines, Joplin/Pittsburg, Kansas City, Lincoln/Hastings/Kearney, North Platte, Omaha, Ottumwa/Kirksville, St. Joseph, Sioux City, Springfield (MO), Topeka, Wichita/Hutchinson
Los Angeles (both): Bakersfield, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Palm Springs, Santa Barbara/San Luis Obispo
Milwaukee: Eau Claire/La Crosse, Green Bay/Appleton, Madison, Milwaukee, Wausau/Rhinelander
Minnesota: Bismarck/Minot/Williston/Dickinson, Des Moines, Duluth/Superior, Fargo/Grand Forks, Glendive, Mankato, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Rochester/Austin/Mason City, Sioux City, Sioux Falls
New York (both): Albany/Schenectady, Binghamton, Buffalo, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Elmira/Corning, Hartford/New Haven, New York City, Rochester (NY), Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Syracuse, Utica/Rome, Watertown
Philadelphia: Harrisburg/Lancaster/York, Philadelphia, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre
Pittsburgh: Clarksburg/Weston, Erie, Johnstown/Altoona/State College, Pittsburgh, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Wheeling/Steubenville, Youngstown
San Diego: San Diego, Yuma/El Centro
San Francisco and Oakland: Chico/Redding, Eureka, Fresno, Medford/Klamath Falls, Monterey/Salinas, Reno, Sacramento/Stockton, San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose
Seattle: Bend, Boise, Eugene, Idaho Falls/Pocatello, Missoula/Kalispell, Portland (OR), Seattle/Tacoma, Spokane, Twin Falls, Yakima/Tri-Cities
St. Louis: Champaign/Springfield/Decatur, Columbia (MO), Evansville, Jackson (TN), Jonesboro, Memphis, Ottumwa/Kirksville, Paducah/Cape Girardeau, Peoria/Bloomington, Quincy/Hannibal/Keokuk, St. Louis, Springfield (MO), Terre Haute
Texas: Abilene, Amarillo, Austin, Dallas/Fort Worth, El Paso/Las Cruces, Fort Smith/Fayetteville, Little Rock, Lubbock, Midland/Odessa, Monroe/El Dorado, Oklahoma City, San Angelo, San Antonio, Sherman/Ada, Shreveport/Texarkana, Tulsa, Tyler/Longview, Waco/Temple/Bryan, Wichita Falls/Lawton
The Blue Jays would have all of Canada, as well as the Buffalo and Rochester (NY) DMAs. The Jays would share southwestern Ontario and Algoma District (Soo Ontario) with the Tigers.
Could Vancouver be shared with Seattle?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 28, 2021, 10:25:45 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on April 28, 2021, 10:23:39 PM
IMHO, here is how the MLB territories should be (by DMA; map of DMAs and radio markets can be found at https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Arbitron/Market-Maps/Nielsen-Market-Map-Fall%202020.pdf):
Arizona: Albuquerque/Santa Fe, Phoenix, Tucson, Yuma/El Centro
Atlanta: Albany (GA), Atlanta, Augusta, Birmingham/Tuscaloosa, Bristol/Kingsport/Johnson City, Charleston (SC), Charlotte, Chattanooga, Columbia (SC), Columbus (GA), Columbus/Tupelo/West Point, Dothan, Florence/Myrtle Beach, Greensboro/Winston-Salem/High Point, Greenville/New Bern/Jacksonville, Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville, Greenwood/Greenville, Gulfport/Biloxi, Hattiesburg/Laurel, Huntsville/Decatur, Jackson (MS), Jackson (TN), Jacksonville, Knoxville, Macon, Memphis, Meridian, Mobile/Pensacola/Fort Walton Beach, Montgomery, Nashville, Panama City, Raleigh/Durham, Savannah, Tallahassee, Wilmington
Baltimore and Washington: Baltimore, Harrisburg/Lancaster/York, Harrisonburg, Norfolk/Virginia Beach, Richmond, Roanoke/Lynchburg, Washington DC
Boston: Albany/Schenectady, Bangor, Boston, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Hartford/New Haven, Portland (ME), Presque Isle, Providence/New Bedford, Springfield (MA)
Chicago (both): Cedar Rapids/Waterloo, Champaign/Springfield/Decatur, Chicago, Des Moines, Fort Wayne, Indianapolis, Lafayette (IN), Ottumwa/Kirksville, Peoria/Bloomington, Quad Cities, Quincy/Hannibal/Keokuk, Rockford, South Bend/Elkhart, Terre Haute
Cincinnati: Bluefield/Beckley/Oak Hill, Bowling Green, Bristol/Kingsport/Johnson City, Charleston/Huntington, Cincinnati, Columbus (OH), Dayton, Evansville, Indianapolis, Knoxville, Lexington, Louisville, Nashville, Parkersburg/Marietta, Zanesville
Cleveland: Cleveland, Columbus (OH), Erie, Lima, Toledo, Wheeling/Steubenville, Youngstown, Zanesville
Colorado: Albuquerque/Santa Fe, Billings, Butte/Bozeman, Casper/Riverton, Cheyenne/Scottsbluff, Colorado Springs/Pueblo, Denver, Grand Junction, Great Falls, Helena, Rapid City, Salt Lake City
Detroit: Alpena, Detroit, Flint/Saginaw/Bay City, Fort Wayne, Grand Rapids/Kalamazoo/Battle Creek, Lansing, Marquette, South Bend/Elkhart, Toledo, Traverse City/Cadillac
Houston: Alexandria (LA), Austin, Baton Rouge, Beaumont/Port Arthur, Corpus Christi, Houston, Lafayette (LA), Lake Charles, Laredo, McAllen/Brownsville/Harlingen, New Orleans, San Antonio, Victoria, Waco/Temple/Bryan
Kansas City: Columbia (MO), Des Moines, Joplin/Pittsburg, Kansas City, Lincoln/Hastings/Kearney, North Platte, Omaha, Ottumwa/Kirksville, St. Joseph, Sioux City, Springfield (MO), Topeka, Wichita/Hutchinson
Los Angeles (both): Bakersfield, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Palm Springs, Santa Barbara/San Luis Obispo
Milwaukee: Eau Claire/La Crosse, Green Bay/Appleton, Madison, Milwaukee, Wausau/Rhinelander
Minnesota: Bismarck/Minot/Williston/Dickinson, Des Moines, Duluth/Superior, Fargo/Grand Forks, Glendive, Mankato, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Rochester/Austin/Mason City, Sioux City, Sioux Falls
New York (both): Albany/Schenectady, Binghamton, Buffalo, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Elmira/Corning, Hartford/New Haven, New York City, Rochester (NY), Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Syracuse, Utica/Rome, Watertown
Philadelphia: Harrisburg/Lancaster/York, Philadelphia, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre
Pittsburgh: Clarksburg/Weston, Erie, Johnstown/Altoona/State College, Pittsburgh, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Wheeling/Steubenville, Youngstown
San Diego: San Diego, Yuma/El Centro
San Francisco and Oakland: Chico/Redding, Eureka, Fresno, Medford/Klamath Falls, Monterey/Salinas, Reno, Sacramento/Stockton, San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose
Seattle: Bend, Boise, Eugene, Idaho Falls/Pocatello, Missoula/Kalispell, Portland (OR), Seattle/Tacoma, Spokane, Twin Falls, Yakima/Tri-Cities
St. Louis: Champaign/Springfield/Decatur, Columbia (MO), Evansville, Jackson (TN), Jonesboro, Memphis, Ottumwa/Kirksville, Paducah/Cape Girardeau, Peoria/Bloomington, Quincy/Hannibal/Keokuk, St. Louis, Springfield (MO), Terre Haute
Texas: Abilene, Amarillo, Austin, Dallas/Fort Worth, El Paso/Las Cruces, Fort Smith/Fayetteville, Little Rock, Lubbock, Midland/Odessa, Monroe/El Dorado, Oklahoma City, San Angelo, San Antonio, Sherman/Ada, Shreveport/Texarkana, Tulsa, Tyler/Longview, Waco/Temple/Bryan, Wichita Falls/Lawton
The Blue Jays would have all of Canada, as well as the Buffalo and Rochester (NY) DMAs. The Jays would share southwestern Ontario and Algoma District (Soo Ontario) with the Tigers.
Could Vancouver be shared with Seattle?
That is a possibility. Also, Alaska and Hawaii wouldn't be in any MLB team's territory
Quote from: Big John on April 28, 2021, 07:45:18 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 28, 2021, 07:39:59 PM
The Coliseum is easily the worst of the NFL stadiums currently being used. Easy argument for any city wanting to poach the A's.
Do you mean MLB stadiums as the Raiders left?
Yes. LOL!
Quote from: ftballfan on April 28, 2021, 10:28:14 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 28, 2021, 10:25:45 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on April 28, 2021, 10:23:39 PM
IMHO, here is how the MLB territories should be (by DMA; map of DMAs and radio markets can be found at https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Arbitron/Market-Maps/Nielsen-Market-Map-Fall%202020.pdf):
Arizona: Albuquerque/Santa Fe, Phoenix, Tucson, Yuma/El Centro
Atlanta: Albany (GA), Atlanta, Augusta, Birmingham/Tuscaloosa, Bristol/Kingsport/Johnson City, Charleston (SC), Charlotte, Chattanooga, Columbia (SC), Columbus (GA), Columbus/Tupelo/West Point, Dothan, Florence/Myrtle Beach, Greensboro/Winston-Salem/High Point, Greenville/New Bern/Jacksonville, Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville, Greenwood/Greenville, Gulfport/Biloxi, Hattiesburg/Laurel, Huntsville/Decatur, Jackson (MS), Jackson (TN), Jacksonville, Knoxville, Macon, Memphis, Meridian, Mobile/Pensacola/Fort Walton Beach, Montgomery, Nashville, Panama City, Raleigh/Durham, Savannah, Tallahassee, Wilmington
Baltimore and Washington: Baltimore, Harrisburg/Lancaster/York, Harrisonburg, Norfolk/Virginia Beach, Richmond, Roanoke/Lynchburg, Washington DC
Boston: Albany/Schenectady, Bangor, Boston, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Hartford/New Haven, Portland (ME), Presque Isle, Providence/New Bedford, Springfield (MA)
Chicago (both): Cedar Rapids/Waterloo, Champaign/Springfield/Decatur, Chicago, Des Moines, Fort Wayne, Indianapolis, Lafayette (IN), Ottumwa/Kirksville, Peoria/Bloomington, Quad Cities, Quincy/Hannibal/Keokuk, Rockford, South Bend/Elkhart, Terre Haute
Cincinnati: Bluefield/Beckley/Oak Hill, Bowling Green, Bristol/Kingsport/Johnson City, Charleston/Huntington, Cincinnati, Columbus (OH), Dayton, Evansville, Indianapolis, Knoxville, Lexington, Louisville, Nashville, Parkersburg/Marietta, Zanesville
Cleveland: Cleveland, Columbus (OH), Erie, Lima, Toledo, Wheeling/Steubenville, Youngstown, Zanesville
Colorado: Albuquerque/Santa Fe, Billings, Butte/Bozeman, Casper/Riverton, Cheyenne/Scottsbluff, Colorado Springs/Pueblo, Denver, Grand Junction, Great Falls, Helena, Rapid City, Salt Lake City
Detroit: Alpena, Detroit, Flint/Saginaw/Bay City, Fort Wayne, Grand Rapids/Kalamazoo/Battle Creek, Lansing, Marquette, South Bend/Elkhart, Toledo, Traverse City/Cadillac
Houston: Alexandria (LA), Austin, Baton Rouge, Beaumont/Port Arthur, Corpus Christi, Houston, Lafayette (LA), Lake Charles, Laredo, McAllen/Brownsville/Harlingen, New Orleans, San Antonio, Victoria, Waco/Temple/Bryan
Kansas City: Columbia (MO), Des Moines, Joplin/Pittsburg, Kansas City, Lincoln/Hastings/Kearney, North Platte, Omaha, Ottumwa/Kirksville, St. Joseph, Sioux City, Springfield (MO), Topeka, Wichita/Hutchinson
Los Angeles (both): Bakersfield, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Palm Springs, Santa Barbara/San Luis Obispo
Milwaukee: Eau Claire/La Crosse, Green Bay/Appleton, Madison, Milwaukee, Wausau/Rhinelander
Minnesota: Bismarck/Minot/Williston/Dickinson, Des Moines, Duluth/Superior, Fargo/Grand Forks, Glendive, Mankato, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Rochester/Austin/Mason City, Sioux City, Sioux Falls
New York (both): Albany/Schenectady, Binghamton, Buffalo, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Elmira/Corning, Hartford/New Haven, New York City, Rochester (NY), Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Syracuse, Utica/Rome, Watertown
Philadelphia: Harrisburg/Lancaster/York, Philadelphia, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre
Pittsburgh: Clarksburg/Weston, Erie, Johnstown/Altoona/State College, Pittsburgh, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Wheeling/Steubenville, Youngstown
San Diego: San Diego, Yuma/El Centro
San Francisco and Oakland: Chico/Redding, Eureka, Fresno, Medford/Klamath Falls, Monterey/Salinas, Reno, Sacramento/Stockton, San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose
Seattle: Bend, Boise, Eugene, Idaho Falls/Pocatello, Missoula/Kalispell, Portland (OR), Seattle/Tacoma, Spokane, Twin Falls, Yakima/Tri-Cities
St. Louis: Champaign/Springfield/Decatur, Columbia (MO), Evansville, Jackson (TN), Jonesboro, Memphis, Ottumwa/Kirksville, Paducah/Cape Girardeau, Peoria/Bloomington, Quincy/Hannibal/Keokuk, St. Louis, Springfield (MO), Terre Haute
Texas: Abilene, Amarillo, Austin, Dallas/Fort Worth, El Paso/Las Cruces, Fort Smith/Fayetteville, Little Rock, Lubbock, Midland/Odessa, Monroe/El Dorado, Oklahoma City, San Angelo, San Antonio, Sherman/Ada, Shreveport/Texarkana, Tulsa, Tyler/Longview, Waco/Temple/Bryan, Wichita Falls/Lawton
The Blue Jays would have all of Canada, as well as the Buffalo and Rochester (NY) DMAs. The Jays would share southwestern Ontario and Algoma District (Soo Ontario) with the Tigers.
Could Vancouver be shared with Seattle?
That is a possibility. Also, Alaska and Hawaii wouldn't be in any MLB team's territory
Alaska could be Mariners and Hawaii could be Giants or Dodgers.
Quote from: ftballfan on April 28, 2021, 10:23:39 PM
IMHO, here is how the MLB territories should be (by DMA; map of DMAs and radio markets can be found at https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Arbitron/Market-Maps/Nielsen-Market-Map-Fall%202020.pdf):
Arizona: Albuquerque/Santa Fe, Phoenix, Tucson, Yuma/El Centro
Atlanta: Albany (GA), Atlanta, Augusta, Birmingham/Tuscaloosa, Bristol/Kingsport/Johnson City, Charleston (SC), Charlotte, Chattanooga, Columbia (SC), Columbus (GA), Columbus/Tupelo/West Point, Dothan, Florence/Myrtle Beach, Greensboro/Winston-Salem/High Point, Greenville/New Bern/Jacksonville, Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville, Greenwood/Greenville, Gulfport/Biloxi, Hattiesburg/Laurel, Huntsville/Decatur, Jackson (MS), Jackson (TN), Jacksonville, Knoxville, Macon, Memphis, Meridian, Mobile/Pensacola/Fort Walton Beach, Montgomery, Nashville, Panama City, Raleigh/Durham, Savannah, Tallahassee, Wilmington
Baltimore and Washington: Baltimore, Harrisburg/Lancaster/York, Harrisonburg, Norfolk/Virginia Beach, Richmond, Roanoke/Lynchburg, Washington DC
Boston: Albany/Schenectady, Bangor, Boston, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Hartford/New Haven, Portland (ME), Presque Isle, Providence/New Bedford, Springfield (MA)
Chicago (both): Cedar Rapids/Waterloo, Champaign/Springfield/Decatur, Chicago, Des Moines, Fort Wayne, Indianapolis, Lafayette (IN), Ottumwa/Kirksville, Peoria/Bloomington, Quad Cities, Quincy/Hannibal/Keokuk, Rockford, South Bend/Elkhart, Terre Haute
Cincinnati: Bluefield/Beckley/Oak Hill, Bowling Green, Bristol/Kingsport/Johnson City, Charleston/Huntington, Cincinnati, Columbus (OH), Dayton, Evansville, Indianapolis, Knoxville, Lexington, Lima, Louisville, Nashville, Parkersburg/Marietta, Zanesville
Cleveland: Cleveland, Columbus (OH), Erie, Lima, Toledo, Wheeling/Steubenville, Youngstown, Zanesville
Colorado: Albuquerque/Santa Fe, Billings, Butte/Bozeman, Casper/Riverton, Cheyenne/Scottsbluff, Colorado Springs/Pueblo, Denver, Grand Junction, Great Falls, Helena, Rapid City, Salt Lake City
Detroit: Alpena, Detroit, Flint/Saginaw/Bay City, Fort Wayne, Grand Rapids/Kalamazoo/Battle Creek, Lansing, Marquette, South Bend/Elkhart, Toledo, Traverse City/Cadillac
Houston: Alexandria (LA), Austin, Baton Rouge, Beaumont/Port Arthur, Corpus Christi, Houston, Lafayette (LA), Lake Charles, Laredo, McAllen/Brownsville/Harlingen, New Orleans, San Antonio, Victoria, Waco/Temple/Bryan
Kansas City: Columbia (MO), Des Moines, Joplin/Pittsburg, Kansas City, Lincoln/Hastings/Kearney, North Platte, Omaha, Ottumwa/Kirksville, St. Joseph, Sioux City, Springfield (MO), Topeka, Wichita/Hutchinson
Los Angeles (both): Bakersfield, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Palm Springs, Santa Barbara/San Luis Obispo
Miami: Fort Myers/Naples, Miami/Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach/Fort Pierce
Milwaukee: Eau Claire/La Crosse, Green Bay/Appleton, Madison, Milwaukee, Wausau/Rhinelander
Minnesota: Bismarck/Minot/Williston/Dickinson, Des Moines, Duluth/Superior, Fargo/Grand Forks, Glendive, Mankato, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Rochester/Austin/Mason City, Sioux City, Sioux Falls
New York (both): Albany/Schenectady, Binghamton, Buffalo, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Elmira/Corning, Hartford/New Haven, New York City, Rochester (NY), Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Syracuse, Utica/Rome, Watertown
Philadelphia: Harrisburg/Lancaster/York, Philadelphia, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre
Pittsburgh: Clarksburg/Weston, Erie, Johnstown/Altoona/State College, Pittsburgh, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Wheeling/Steubenville, Youngstown
San Diego: San Diego, Yuma/El Centro
San Francisco and Oakland: Chico/Redding, Eureka, Fresno, Medford/Klamath Falls, Monterey/Salinas, Reno, Sacramento/Stockton, San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose
Seattle: Bend, Boise, Eugene, Idaho Falls/Pocatello, Missoula/Kalispell, Portland (OR), Seattle/Tacoma, Spokane, Twin Falls, Yakima/Tri-Cities
St. Louis: Champaign/Springfield/Decatur, Columbia (MO), Evansville, Jackson (TN), Jonesboro, Memphis, Ottumwa/Kirksville, Paducah/Cape Girardeau, Peoria/Bloomington, Quincy/Hannibal/Keokuk, St. Louis, Springfield (MO), Terre Haute
Tampa Bay: Fort Myers/Naples, Gainesville/Ocala, Orlando/Daytona Beach/Melbourne, Tampa/St. Petersburg
Texas: Abilene, Amarillo, Austin, Dallas/Fort Worth, El Paso/Las Cruces, Fort Smith/Fayetteville, Little Rock, Lubbock, Midland/Odessa, Monroe/El Dorado, Oklahoma City, San Angelo, San Antonio, Sherman/Ada, Shreveport/Texarkana, Tulsa, Tyler/Longview, Waco/Temple/Bryan, Wichita Falls/Lawton
The Blue Jays would have all of Canada, as well as the Buffalo and Rochester (NY) DMAs. The Jays would share southwestern Ontario and Algoma District (Soo Ontario) with the Tigers.
I realize that the Nats have made little inroads down there but I'm not sure I agree with assigning Raleigh-Durham to Atlanta. That's too far north for my taste and seems to artificially limit the Nats's ability to expand south. DC is substantially closer than Atlanta.
Quote from: The Nature Boy on April 28, 2021, 11:01:17 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on April 28, 2021, 10:23:39 PM
IMHO, here is how the MLB territories should be (by DMA; map of DMAs and radio markets can be found at https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Arbitron/Market-Maps/Nielsen-Market-Map-Fall%202020.pdf):
Arizona: Albuquerque/Santa Fe, Phoenix, Tucson, Yuma/El Centro
Atlanta: Albany (GA), Atlanta, Augusta, Birmingham/Tuscaloosa, Bristol/Kingsport/Johnson City, Charleston (SC), Charlotte, Chattanooga, Columbia (SC), Columbus (GA), Columbus/Tupelo/West Point, Dothan, Florence/Myrtle Beach, Greensboro/Winston-Salem/High Point, Greenville/New Bern/Jacksonville, Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville, Greenwood/Greenville, Gulfport/Biloxi, Hattiesburg/Laurel, Huntsville/Decatur, Jackson (MS), Jackson (TN), Jacksonville, Knoxville, Macon, Memphis, Meridian, Mobile/Pensacola/Fort Walton Beach, Montgomery, Nashville, Panama City, Raleigh/Durham, Savannah, Tallahassee, Wilmington
Baltimore and Washington: Baltimore, Harrisburg/Lancaster/York, Harrisonburg, Norfolk/Virginia Beach, Richmond, Roanoke/Lynchburg, Washington DC
Boston: Albany/Schenectady, Bangor, Boston, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Hartford/New Haven, Portland (ME), Presque Isle, Providence/New Bedford, Springfield (MA)
Chicago (both): Cedar Rapids/Waterloo, Champaign/Springfield/Decatur, Chicago, Des Moines, Fort Wayne, Indianapolis, Lafayette (IN), Ottumwa/Kirksville, Peoria/Bloomington, Quad Cities, Quincy/Hannibal/Keokuk, Rockford, South Bend/Elkhart, Terre Haute
Cincinnati: Bluefield/Beckley/Oak Hill, Bowling Green, Bristol/Kingsport/Johnson City, Charleston/Huntington, Cincinnati, Columbus (OH), Dayton, Evansville, Indianapolis, Knoxville, Lexington, Lima, Louisville, Nashville, Parkersburg/Marietta, Zanesville
Cleveland: Cleveland, Columbus (OH), Erie, Lima, Toledo, Wheeling/Steubenville, Youngstown, Zanesville
Colorado: Albuquerque/Santa Fe, Billings, Butte/Bozeman, Casper/Riverton, Cheyenne/Scottsbluff, Colorado Springs/Pueblo, Denver, Grand Junction, Great Falls, Helena, Rapid City, Salt Lake City
Detroit: Alpena, Detroit, Flint/Saginaw/Bay City, Fort Wayne, Grand Rapids/Kalamazoo/Battle Creek, Lansing, Marquette, South Bend/Elkhart, Toledo, Traverse City/Cadillac
Houston: Alexandria (LA), Austin, Baton Rouge, Beaumont/Port Arthur, Corpus Christi, Houston, Lafayette (LA), Lake Charles, Laredo, McAllen/Brownsville/Harlingen, New Orleans, San Antonio, Victoria, Waco/Temple/Bryan
Kansas City: Columbia (MO), Des Moines, Joplin/Pittsburg, Kansas City, Lincoln/Hastings/Kearney, North Platte, Omaha, Ottumwa/Kirksville, St. Joseph, Sioux City, Springfield (MO), Topeka, Wichita/Hutchinson
Los Angeles (both): Bakersfield, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Palm Springs, Santa Barbara/San Luis Obispo
Miami: Fort Myers/Naples, Miami/Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach/Fort Pierce
Milwaukee: Eau Claire/La Crosse, Green Bay/Appleton, Madison, Milwaukee, Wausau/Rhinelander
Minnesota: Bismarck/Minot/Williston/Dickinson, Des Moines, Duluth/Superior, Fargo/Grand Forks, Glendive, Mankato, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Rochester/Austin/Mason City, Sioux City, Sioux Falls
New York (both): Albany/Schenectady, Binghamton, Buffalo, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Elmira/Corning, Hartford/New Haven, New York City, Rochester (NY), Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Syracuse, Utica/Rome, Watertown
Philadelphia: Harrisburg/Lancaster/York, Philadelphia, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre
Pittsburgh: Clarksburg/Weston, Erie, Johnstown/Altoona/State College, Pittsburgh, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Wheeling/Steubenville, Youngstown
San Diego: San Diego, Yuma/El Centro
San Francisco and Oakland: Chico/Redding, Eureka, Fresno, Medford/Klamath Falls, Monterey/Salinas, Reno, Sacramento/Stockton, San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose
Seattle: Bend, Boise, Eugene, Idaho Falls/Pocatello, Missoula/Kalispell, Portland (OR), Seattle/Tacoma, Spokane, Twin Falls, Yakima/Tri-Cities
St. Louis: Champaign/Springfield/Decatur, Columbia (MO), Evansville, Jackson (TN), Jonesboro, Memphis, Ottumwa/Kirksville, Paducah/Cape Girardeau, Peoria/Bloomington, Quincy/Hannibal/Keokuk, St. Louis, Springfield (MO), Terre Haute
Tampa Bay: Fort Myers/Naples, Gainesville/Ocala, Orlando/Daytona Beach/Melbourne, Tampa/St. Petersburg
Texas: Abilene, Amarillo, Austin, Dallas/Fort Worth, El Paso/Las Cruces, Fort Smith/Fayetteville, Little Rock, Lubbock, Midland/Odessa, Monroe/El Dorado, Oklahoma City, San Angelo, San Antonio, Sherman/Ada, Shreveport/Texarkana, Tulsa, Tyler/Longview, Waco/Temple/Bryan, Wichita Falls/Lawton
The Blue Jays would have all of Canada, as well as the Buffalo and Rochester (NY) DMAs. The Jays would share southwestern Ontario and Algoma District (Soo Ontario) with the Tigers.
I realize that the Nats have made little inroads down there but I'm not sure I agree with assigning Raleigh-Durham to Atlanta. That's too far north for my taste and seems to artificially limit the Nats's ability to expand south. DC is substantially closer than Atlanta.
The Braves have a much larger fanbase in the South due to being around for longer.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 28, 2021, 11:07:47 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on April 28, 2021, 11:01:17 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on April 28, 2021, 10:23:39 PM
IMHO, here is how the MLB territories should be (by DMA; map of DMAs and radio markets can be found at https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Arbitron/Market-Maps/Nielsen-Market-Map-Fall%202020.pdf):
Arizona: Albuquerque/Santa Fe, Phoenix, Tucson, Yuma/El Centro
Atlanta: Albany (GA), Atlanta, Augusta, Birmingham/Tuscaloosa, Bristol/Kingsport/Johnson City, Charleston (SC), Charlotte, Chattanooga, Columbia (SC), Columbus (GA), Columbus/Tupelo/West Point, Dothan, Florence/Myrtle Beach, Greensboro/Winston-Salem/High Point, Greenville/New Bern/Jacksonville, Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville, Greenwood/Greenville, Gulfport/Biloxi, Hattiesburg/Laurel, Huntsville/Decatur, Jackson (MS), Jackson (TN), Jacksonville, Knoxville, Macon, Memphis, Meridian, Mobile/Pensacola/Fort Walton Beach, Montgomery, Nashville, Panama City, Raleigh/Durham, Savannah, Tallahassee, Wilmington
Baltimore and Washington: Baltimore, Harrisburg/Lancaster/York, Harrisonburg, Norfolk/Virginia Beach, Richmond, Roanoke/Lynchburg, Washington DC
Boston: Albany/Schenectady, Bangor, Boston, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Hartford/New Haven, Portland (ME), Presque Isle, Providence/New Bedford, Springfield (MA)
Chicago (both): Cedar Rapids/Waterloo, Champaign/Springfield/Decatur, Chicago, Des Moines, Fort Wayne, Indianapolis, Lafayette (IN), Ottumwa/Kirksville, Peoria/Bloomington, Quad Cities, Quincy/Hannibal/Keokuk, Rockford, South Bend/Elkhart, Terre Haute
Cincinnati: Bluefield/Beckley/Oak Hill, Bowling Green, Bristol/Kingsport/Johnson City, Charleston/Huntington, Cincinnati, Columbus (OH), Dayton, Evansville, Indianapolis, Knoxville, Lexington, Lima, Louisville, Nashville, Parkersburg/Marietta, Zanesville
Cleveland: Cleveland, Columbus (OH), Erie, Lima, Toledo, Wheeling/Steubenville, Youngstown, Zanesville
Colorado: Albuquerque/Santa Fe, Billings, Butte/Bozeman, Casper/Riverton, Cheyenne/Scottsbluff, Colorado Springs/Pueblo, Denver, Grand Junction, Great Falls, Helena, Rapid City, Salt Lake City
Detroit: Alpena, Detroit, Flint/Saginaw/Bay City, Fort Wayne, Grand Rapids/Kalamazoo/Battle Creek, Lansing, Marquette, South Bend/Elkhart, Toledo, Traverse City/Cadillac
Houston: Alexandria (LA), Austin, Baton Rouge, Beaumont/Port Arthur, Corpus Christi, Houston, Lafayette (LA), Lake Charles, Laredo, McAllen/Brownsville/Harlingen, New Orleans, San Antonio, Victoria, Waco/Temple/Bryan
Kansas City: Columbia (MO), Des Moines, Joplin/Pittsburg, Kansas City, Lincoln/Hastings/Kearney, North Platte, Omaha, Ottumwa/Kirksville, St. Joseph, Sioux City, Springfield (MO), Topeka, Wichita/Hutchinson
Los Angeles (both): Bakersfield, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Palm Springs, Santa Barbara/San Luis Obispo
Miami: Fort Myers/Naples, Miami/Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach/Fort Pierce
Milwaukee: Eau Claire/La Crosse, Green Bay/Appleton, Madison, Milwaukee, Wausau/Rhinelander
Minnesota: Bismarck/Minot/Williston/Dickinson, Des Moines, Duluth/Superior, Fargo/Grand Forks, Glendive, Mankato, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Rochester/Austin/Mason City, Sioux City, Sioux Falls
New York (both): Albany/Schenectady, Binghamton, Buffalo, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Elmira/Corning, Hartford/New Haven, New York City, Rochester (NY), Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Syracuse, Utica/Rome, Watertown
Philadelphia: Harrisburg/Lancaster/York, Philadelphia, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre
Pittsburgh: Clarksburg/Weston, Erie, Johnstown/Altoona/State College, Pittsburgh, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Wheeling/Steubenville, Youngstown
San Diego: San Diego, Yuma/El Centro
San Francisco and Oakland: Chico/Redding, Eureka, Fresno, Medford/Klamath Falls, Monterey/Salinas, Reno, Sacramento/Stockton, San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose
Seattle: Bend, Boise, Eugene, Idaho Falls/Pocatello, Missoula/Kalispell, Portland (OR), Seattle/Tacoma, Spokane, Twin Falls, Yakima/Tri-Cities
St. Louis: Champaign/Springfield/Decatur, Columbia (MO), Evansville, Jackson (TN), Jonesboro, Memphis, Ottumwa/Kirksville, Paducah/Cape Girardeau, Peoria/Bloomington, Quincy/Hannibal/Keokuk, St. Louis, Springfield (MO), Terre Haute
Tampa Bay: Fort Myers/Naples, Gainesville/Ocala, Orlando/Daytona Beach/Melbourne, Tampa/St. Petersburg
Texas: Abilene, Amarillo, Austin, Dallas/Fort Worth, El Paso/Las Cruces, Fort Smith/Fayetteville, Little Rock, Lubbock, Midland/Odessa, Monroe/El Dorado, Oklahoma City, San Angelo, San Antonio, Sherman/Ada, Shreveport/Texarkana, Tulsa, Tyler/Longview, Waco/Temple/Bryan, Wichita Falls/Lawton
The Blue Jays would have all of Canada, as well as the Buffalo and Rochester (NY) DMAs. The Jays would share southwestern Ontario and Algoma District (Soo Ontario) with the Tigers.
I realize that the Nats have made little inroads down there but I'm not sure I agree with assigning Raleigh-Durham to Atlanta. That's too far north for my taste and seems to artificially limit the Nats's ability to expand south. DC is substantially closer than Atlanta.
The Braves have a much larger fanbase in the South due to being around for longer.
The Braves have a large following due to being on the TBS Superstation for years and they were good for many years too.
Quote from: ftballfan on April 28, 2021, 10:23:39 PM
IMHO, here is how the MLB territories should be (by DMA; map of DMAs and radio markets can be found at https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Arbitron/Market-Maps/Nielsen-Market-Map-Fall%202020.pdf):
Arizona: Albuquerque/Santa Fe, Phoenix, Tucson, Yuma/El Centro
Atlanta: Albany (GA), Atlanta, Augusta, Birmingham/Tuscaloosa, Bristol/Kingsport/Johnson City, Charleston (SC), Charlotte, Chattanooga, Columbia (SC), Columbus (GA), Columbus/Tupelo/West Point, Dothan, Florence/Myrtle Beach, Greensboro/Winston-Salem/High Point, Greenville/New Bern/Jacksonville, Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville, Greenwood/Greenville, Gulfport/Biloxi, Hattiesburg/Laurel, Huntsville/Decatur, Jackson (MS), Jackson (TN), Jacksonville, Knoxville, Macon, Memphis, Meridian, Mobile/Pensacola/Fort Walton Beach, Montgomery, Nashville, Panama City, Raleigh/Durham, Savannah, Tallahassee, Wilmington
Baltimore and Washington: Baltimore, Harrisburg/Lancaster/York, Harrisonburg, Norfolk/Virginia Beach, Richmond, Roanoke/Lynchburg, Washington DC
Boston: Albany/Schenectady, Bangor, Boston, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Hartford/New Haven, Portland (ME), Presque Isle, Providence/New Bedford, Springfield (MA)
Chicago (both): Cedar Rapids/Waterloo, Champaign/Springfield/Decatur, Chicago, Des Moines, Fort Wayne, Indianapolis, Lafayette (IN), Ottumwa/Kirksville, Peoria/Bloomington, Quad Cities, Quincy/Hannibal/Keokuk, Rockford, South Bend/Elkhart, Terre Haute
Cincinnati: Bluefield/Beckley/Oak Hill, Bowling Green, Bristol/Kingsport/Johnson City, Charleston/Huntington, Cincinnati, Columbus (OH), Dayton, Evansville, Indianapolis, Knoxville, Lexington, Lima, Louisville, Nashville, Parkersburg/Marietta, Zanesville
Cleveland: Cleveland, Columbus (OH), Erie, Lima, Toledo, Wheeling/Steubenville, Youngstown, Zanesville
Colorado: Albuquerque/Santa Fe, Billings, Butte/Bozeman, Casper/Riverton, Cheyenne/Scottsbluff, Colorado Springs/Pueblo, Denver, Grand Junction, Great Falls, Helena, Rapid City, Salt Lake City
Detroit: Alpena, Detroit, Flint/Saginaw/Bay City, Fort Wayne, Grand Rapids/Kalamazoo/Battle Creek, Lansing, Marquette, South Bend/Elkhart, Toledo, Traverse City/Cadillac
Houston: Alexandria (LA), Austin, Baton Rouge, Beaumont/Port Arthur, Corpus Christi, Houston, Lafayette (LA), Lake Charles, Laredo, McAllen/Brownsville/Harlingen, New Orleans, San Antonio, Victoria, Waco/Temple/Bryan
Kansas City: Columbia (MO), Des Moines, Joplin/Pittsburg, Kansas City, Lincoln/Hastings/Kearney, North Platte, Omaha, Ottumwa/Kirksville, St. Joseph, Sioux City, Springfield (MO), Topeka, Wichita/Hutchinson
Los Angeles (both): Bakersfield, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Palm Springs, Santa Barbara/San Luis Obispo
Miami: Fort Myers/Naples, Miami/Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach/Fort Pierce
Milwaukee: Eau Claire/La Crosse, Green Bay/Appleton, Madison, Milwaukee, Wausau/Rhinelander
Minnesota: Bismarck/Minot/Williston/Dickinson, Des Moines, Duluth/Superior, Fargo/Grand Forks, Glendive, Mankato, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Rochester/Austin/Mason City, Sioux City, Sioux Falls
New York (both): Albany/Schenectady, Binghamton, Buffalo, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Elmira/Corning, Hartford/New Haven, New York City, Rochester (NY), Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Syracuse, Utica/Rome, Watertown
Philadelphia: Harrisburg/Lancaster/York, Philadelphia, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre
Pittsburgh: Clarksburg/Weston, Erie, Johnstown/Altoona/State College, Pittsburgh, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Wheeling/Steubenville, Youngstown
San Diego: San Diego, Yuma/El Centro
San Francisco and Oakland: Chico/Redding, Eureka, Fresno, Medford/Klamath Falls, Monterey/Salinas, Reno, Sacramento/Stockton, San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose
Seattle: Bend, Boise, Eugene, Idaho Falls/Pocatello, Missoula/Kalispell, Portland (OR), Seattle/Tacoma, Spokane, Twin Falls, Yakima/Tri-Cities
St. Louis: Champaign/Springfield/Decatur, Columbia (MO), Evansville, Jackson (TN), Jonesboro, Memphis, Ottumwa/Kirksville, Paducah/Cape Girardeau, Peoria/Bloomington, Quincy/Hannibal/Keokuk, St. Louis, Springfield (MO), Terre Haute
Tampa Bay: Fort Myers/Naples, Gainesville/Ocala, Orlando/Daytona Beach/Melbourne, Tampa/St. Petersburg
Texas: Abilene, Amarillo, Austin, Dallas/Fort Worth, El Paso/Las Cruces, Fort Smith/Fayetteville, Little Rock, Lubbock, Midland/Odessa, Monroe/El Dorado, Oklahoma City, San Angelo, San Antonio, Sherman/Ada, Shreveport/Texarkana, Tulsa, Tyler/Longview, Waco/Temple/Bryan, Wichita Falls/Lawton
The Blue Jays would have all of Canada, as well as the Buffalo and Rochester (NY) DMAs. The Jays would share southwestern Ontario and Algoma District (Soo Ontario) with the Tigers.
Fort Wayne, IN has no dominant team in any pro sport other than football (Colts, which never gets blacked out up here). You could argue that the Cubs and Pacers are frontrunners, but no one team sticks out too much, as we're right in between several major sports markets. We have a good following for the Chicago, Detroit, Cincy, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh markets. I personally consider Northeast Indiana to be the Switzerland of American Pro sports.
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I don't see where Vermont would have any ties to the Blue Jays. It's a New England state I would think the Red Sox dominate it.
Correct on both counts, although the Sox don't completely dominate the state. Bennington County in particular has a number of Yankees fans, though it doesn't hurt that they're primarily in the Albany TV market (that said, I know from personal experience that you can still get Burlington stations there). Very few Mets fans up here, though.
While Vermont historically had ties to the Expos (and briefly to the Nats even after the team move), they recently had (until last year's Minor League reorganization) a farm team that fell under the Oakland A's umbrella...
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I think that the Canadiens have somewhat of a following in Northern New England.
Yes they do, at least in northern Vermont. Hockey is more of a mixed bag in Vermont than baseball, at least as far as fan base. It's split between the Habs (Canadiens), Bruins, and Rangers. The Islanders are like the Mets and get basically no love...
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Quote from: Flint1979 on April 23, 2021, 10:23:01 PM
I don't see where Vermont would have any ties to the Blue Jays. It's a New England state I would think the Red Sox dominate it.
Correct on both counts, although the Sox don't completely dominate the state. Bennington County in particular has a number of Yankees fans, though it doesn't hurt that they're primarily in the Albany TV market (that said, I know from personal experience that you can still get Burlington stations there). Very few Mets fans up here, though.
While Vermont historically had ties to the Expos (and briefly to the Nats even after the team move), they recently had (until last year's Minor League reorganization) a farm team that fell under the Oakland A's umbrella...
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 23, 2021, 10:45:50 PM
I think that the Canadiens have somewhat of a following in Northern New England.
Yes they do, at least in northern Vermont. Hockey is more of a mixed bag in Vermont than baseball, at least as far as fan base. It's split between the Habs (Canadiens), Bruins, and Rangers. The Islanders are like the Mets and get basically no love...
The Islanders fanbase is probably exclusive to Long Island.
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Quote from: ftballfan on April 28, 2021, 10:23:39 PM
IMHO, here is how the MLB territories should be (by DMA; map of DMAs and radio markets can be found at https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Arbitron/Market-Maps/Nielsen-Market-Map-Fall%202020.pdf):
Arizona: Albuquerque/Santa Fe, Phoenix, Tucson, Yuma/El Centro
Atlanta: Albany (GA), Atlanta, Augusta, Birmingham/Tuscaloosa, Bristol/Kingsport/Johnson City, Charleston (SC), Charlotte, Chattanooga, Columbia (SC), Columbus (GA), Columbus/Tupelo/West Point, Dothan, Florence/Myrtle Beach, Greensboro/Winston-Salem/High Point, Greenville/New Bern/Jacksonville, Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville, Greenwood/Greenville, Gulfport/Biloxi, Hattiesburg/Laurel, Huntsville/Decatur, Jackson (MS), Jackson (TN), Jacksonville, Knoxville, Macon, Memphis, Meridian, Mobile/Pensacola/Fort Walton Beach, Montgomery, Nashville, Panama City, Raleigh/Durham, Savannah, Tallahassee, Wilmington
Baltimore and Washington: Baltimore, Harrisburg/Lancaster/York, Harrisonburg, Norfolk/Virginia Beach, Richmond, Roanoke/Lynchburg, Washington DC
Boston: Albany/Schenectady, Bangor, Boston, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Hartford/New Haven, Portland (ME), Presque Isle, Providence/New Bedford, Springfield (MA)
Chicago (both): Cedar Rapids/Waterloo, Champaign/Springfield/Decatur, Chicago, Des Moines, Fort Wayne, Indianapolis, Lafayette (IN), Ottumwa/Kirksville, Peoria/Bloomington, Quad Cities, Quincy/Hannibal/Keokuk, Rockford, South Bend/Elkhart, Terre Haute
Cincinnati: Bluefield/Beckley/Oak Hill, Bowling Green, Bristol/Kingsport/Johnson City, Charleston/Huntington, Cincinnati, Columbus (OH), Dayton, Evansville, Indianapolis, Knoxville, Lexington, Lima, Louisville, Nashville, Parkersburg/Marietta, Zanesville
Cleveland: Cleveland, Columbus (OH), Erie, Lima, Toledo, Wheeling/Steubenville, Youngstown, Zanesville
Colorado: Albuquerque/Santa Fe, Billings, Butte/Bozeman, Casper/Riverton, Cheyenne/Scottsbluff, Colorado Springs/Pueblo, Denver, Grand Junction, Great Falls, Helena, Rapid City, Salt Lake City
Detroit: Alpena, Detroit, Flint/Saginaw/Bay City, Fort Wayne, Grand Rapids/Kalamazoo/Battle Creek, Lansing, Marquette, South Bend/Elkhart, Toledo, Traverse City/Cadillac
Houston: Alexandria (LA), Austin, Baton Rouge, Beaumont/Port Arthur, Corpus Christi, Houston, Lafayette (LA), Lake Charles, Laredo, McAllen/Brownsville/Harlingen, New Orleans, San Antonio, Victoria, Waco/Temple/Bryan
Kansas City: Columbia (MO), Des Moines, Joplin/Pittsburg, Kansas City, Lincoln/Hastings/Kearney, North Platte, Omaha, Ottumwa/Kirksville, St. Joseph, Sioux City, Springfield (MO), Topeka, Wichita/Hutchinson
Los Angeles (both): Bakersfield, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Palm Springs, Santa Barbara/San Luis Obispo
Miami: Fort Myers/Naples, Miami/Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach/Fort Pierce
Milwaukee: Eau Claire/La Crosse, Green Bay/Appleton, Madison, Milwaukee, Wausau/Rhinelander
Minnesota: Bismarck/Minot/Williston/Dickinson, Des Moines, Duluth/Superior, Fargo/Grand Forks, Glendive, Mankato, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Rochester/Austin/Mason City, Sioux City, Sioux Falls
New York (both): Albany/Schenectady, Binghamton, Buffalo, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Elmira/Corning, Hartford/New Haven, New York City, Rochester (NY), Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Syracuse, Utica/Rome, Watertown
Philadelphia: Harrisburg/Lancaster/York, Philadelphia, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre
Pittsburgh: Clarksburg/Weston, Erie, Johnstown/Altoona/State College, Pittsburgh, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Wheeling/Steubenville, Youngstown
San Diego: San Diego, Yuma/El Centro
San Francisco and Oakland: Chico/Redding, Eureka, Fresno, Medford/Klamath Falls, Monterey/Salinas, Reno, Sacramento/Stockton, San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose
Seattle: Bend, Boise, Eugene, Idaho Falls/Pocatello, Missoula/Kalispell, Portland (OR), Seattle/Tacoma, Spokane, Twin Falls, Yakima/Tri-Cities
St. Louis: Champaign/Springfield/Decatur, Columbia (MO), Evansville, Jackson (TN), Jonesboro, Memphis, Ottumwa/Kirksville, Paducah/Cape Girardeau, Peoria/Bloomington, Quincy/Hannibal/Keokuk, St. Louis, Springfield (MO), Terre Haute
Tampa Bay: Fort Myers/Naples, Gainesville/Ocala, Orlando/Daytona Beach/Melbourne, Tampa/St. Petersburg
Texas: Abilene, Amarillo, Austin, Dallas/Fort Worth, El Paso/Las Cruces, Fort Smith/Fayetteville, Little Rock, Lubbock, Midland/Odessa, Monroe/El Dorado, Oklahoma City, San Angelo, San Antonio, Sherman/Ada, Shreveport/Texarkana, Tulsa, Tyler/Longview, Waco/Temple/Bryan, Wichita Falls/Lawton
The Blue Jays would have all of Canada, as well as the Buffalo and Rochester (NY) DMAs. The Jays would share southwestern Ontario and Algoma District (Soo Ontario) with the Tigers.
I realize that the Nats have made little inroads down there but I'm not sure I agree with assigning Raleigh-Durham to Atlanta. That's too far north for my taste and seems to artificially limit the Nats's ability to expand south. DC is substantially closer than Atlanta.
The Braves have a much larger fanbase in the South due to being around for longer.
The Braves have a large following due to being on the TBS Superstation for years and they were good for many years too.
I know a guy from Raleigh who went with the Cubs because of WGN but this is generally true here. The Braves developed a large fanbase because they were on TBS and were a damn good team in the 90s.
The Braves shouldn't just arbitrarily be given the South because they were the first one there. DC and Baltimore are closer than Atlanta to Raleigh (and much of eastern NC) and Philadelphia isn't that much farther away from Raleigh/Durham. There's no logical reason to give the Braves all of North Carolina other than some desire to lump all of the South together.
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Quote from: ftballfan on April 28, 2021, 10:23:39 PM
IMHO, here is how the MLB territories should be (by DMA; map of DMAs and radio markets can be found at https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Arbitron/Market-Maps/Nielsen-Market-Map-Fall%202020.pdf):
Arizona: Albuquerque/Santa Fe, Phoenix, Tucson, Yuma/El Centro
Atlanta: Albany (GA), Atlanta, Augusta, Birmingham/Tuscaloosa, Bristol/Kingsport/Johnson City, Charleston (SC), Charlotte, Chattanooga, Columbia (SC), Columbus (GA), Columbus/Tupelo/West Point, Dothan, Florence/Myrtle Beach, Greensboro/Winston-Salem/High Point, Greenville/New Bern/Jacksonville, Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville, Greenwood/Greenville, Gulfport/Biloxi, Hattiesburg/Laurel, Huntsville/Decatur, Jackson (MS), Jackson (TN), Jacksonville, Knoxville, Macon, Memphis, Meridian, Mobile/Pensacola/Fort Walton Beach, Montgomery, Nashville, Panama City, Raleigh/Durham, Savannah, Tallahassee, Wilmington
Baltimore and Washington: Baltimore, Harrisburg/Lancaster/York, Harrisonburg, Norfolk/Virginia Beach, Richmond, Roanoke/Lynchburg, Washington DC
Boston: Albany/Schenectady, Bangor, Boston, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Hartford/New Haven, Portland (ME), Presque Isle, Providence/New Bedford, Springfield (MA)
Chicago (both): Cedar Rapids/Waterloo, Champaign/Springfield/Decatur, Chicago, Des Moines, Fort Wayne, Indianapolis, Lafayette (IN), Ottumwa/Kirksville, Peoria/Bloomington, Quad Cities, Quincy/Hannibal/Keokuk, Rockford, South Bend/Elkhart, Terre Haute
Cincinnati: Bluefield/Beckley/Oak Hill, Bowling Green, Bristol/Kingsport/Johnson City, Charleston/Huntington, Cincinnati, Columbus (OH), Dayton, Evansville, Indianapolis, Knoxville, Lexington, Lima, Louisville, Nashville, Parkersburg/Marietta, Zanesville
Cleveland: Cleveland, Columbus (OH), Erie, Lima, Toledo, Wheeling/Steubenville, Youngstown, Zanesville
Colorado: Albuquerque/Santa Fe, Billings, Butte/Bozeman, Casper/Riverton, Cheyenne/Scottsbluff, Colorado Springs/Pueblo, Denver, Grand Junction, Great Falls, Helena, Rapid City, Salt Lake City
Detroit: Alpena, Detroit, Flint/Saginaw/Bay City, Fort Wayne, Grand Rapids/Kalamazoo/Battle Creek, Lansing, Marquette, South Bend/Elkhart, Toledo, Traverse City/Cadillac
Houston: Alexandria (LA), Austin, Baton Rouge, Beaumont/Port Arthur, Corpus Christi, Houston, Lafayette (LA), Lake Charles, Laredo, McAllen/Brownsville/Harlingen, New Orleans, San Antonio, Victoria, Waco/Temple/Bryan
Kansas City: Columbia (MO), Des Moines, Joplin/Pittsburg, Kansas City, Lincoln/Hastings/Kearney, North Platte, Omaha, Ottumwa/Kirksville, St. Joseph, Sioux City, Springfield (MO), Topeka, Wichita/Hutchinson
Los Angeles (both): Bakersfield, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Palm Springs, Santa Barbara/San Luis Obispo
Miami: Fort Myers/Naples, Miami/Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach/Fort Pierce
Milwaukee: Eau Claire/La Crosse, Green Bay/Appleton, Madison, Milwaukee, Wausau/Rhinelander
Minnesota: Bismarck/Minot/Williston/Dickinson, Des Moines, Duluth/Superior, Fargo/Grand Forks, Glendive, Mankato, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Rochester/Austin/Mason City, Sioux City, Sioux Falls
New York (both): Albany/Schenectady, Binghamton, Buffalo, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Elmira/Corning, Hartford/New Haven, New York City, Rochester (NY), Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Syracuse, Utica/Rome, Watertown
Philadelphia: Harrisburg/Lancaster/York, Philadelphia, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre
Pittsburgh: Clarksburg/Weston, Erie, Johnstown/Altoona/State College, Pittsburgh, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Wheeling/Steubenville, Youngstown
San Diego: San Diego, Yuma/El Centro
San Francisco and Oakland: Chico/Redding, Eureka, Fresno, Medford/Klamath Falls, Monterey/Salinas, Reno, Sacramento/Stockton, San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose
Seattle: Bend, Boise, Eugene, Idaho Falls/Pocatello, Missoula/Kalispell, Portland (OR), Seattle/Tacoma, Spokane, Twin Falls, Yakima/Tri-Cities
St. Louis: Champaign/Springfield/Decatur, Columbia (MO), Evansville, Jackson (TN), Jonesboro, Memphis, Ottumwa/Kirksville, Paducah/Cape Girardeau, Peoria/Bloomington, Quincy/Hannibal/Keokuk, St. Louis, Springfield (MO), Terre Haute
Tampa Bay: Fort Myers/Naples, Gainesville/Ocala, Orlando/Daytona Beach/Melbourne, Tampa/St. Petersburg
Texas: Abilene, Amarillo, Austin, Dallas/Fort Worth, El Paso/Las Cruces, Fort Smith/Fayetteville, Little Rock, Lubbock, Midland/Odessa, Monroe/El Dorado, Oklahoma City, San Angelo, San Antonio, Sherman/Ada, Shreveport/Texarkana, Tulsa, Tyler/Longview, Waco/Temple/Bryan, Wichita Falls/Lawton
The Blue Jays would have all of Canada, as well as the Buffalo and Rochester (NY) DMAs. The Jays would share southwestern Ontario and Algoma District (Soo Ontario) with the Tigers.
I realize that the Nats have made little inroads down there but I'm not sure I agree with assigning Raleigh-Durham to Atlanta. That's too far north for my taste and seems to artificially limit the Nats's ability to expand south. DC is substantially closer than Atlanta.
The Braves have a much larger fanbase in the South due to being around for longer.
The Braves have a large following due to being on the TBS Superstation for years and they were good for many years too.
I know a guy from Raleigh who went with the Cubs because of WGN but this is generally true here. The Braves developed a large fanbase because they were on TBS and were a damn good team in the 90s.
The Braves shouldn't just arbitrarily be given the South because they were the first one there. DC and Baltimore are closer than Atlanta to Raleigh (and much of eastern NC) and Philadelphia isn't that much farther away from Raleigh/Durham. There's no logical reason to give the Braves all of North Carolina other than some desire to lump all of the South together.
Do people in North Carolina identify more with Georgia or Maryland/DC?
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 28, 2021, 11:07:47 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on April 28, 2021, 11:01:17 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on April 28, 2021, 10:23:39 PM
IMHO, here is how the MLB territories should be (by DMA; map of DMAs and radio markets can be found at https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Arbitron/Market-Maps/Nielsen-Market-Map-Fall%202020.pdf):
Arizona: Albuquerque/Santa Fe, Phoenix, Tucson, Yuma/El Centro
Atlanta: Albany (GA), Atlanta, Augusta, Birmingham/Tuscaloosa, Bristol/Kingsport/Johnson City, Charleston (SC), Charlotte, Chattanooga, Columbia (SC), Columbus (GA), Columbus/Tupelo/West Point, Dothan, Florence/Myrtle Beach, Greensboro/Winston-Salem/High Point, Greenville/New Bern/Jacksonville, Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville, Greenwood/Greenville, Gulfport/Biloxi, Hattiesburg/Laurel, Huntsville/Decatur, Jackson (MS), Jackson (TN), Jacksonville, Knoxville, Macon, Memphis, Meridian, Mobile/Pensacola/Fort Walton Beach, Montgomery, Nashville, Panama City, Raleigh/Durham, Savannah, Tallahassee, Wilmington
Baltimore and Washington: Baltimore, Harrisburg/Lancaster/York, Harrisonburg, Norfolk/Virginia Beach, Richmond, Roanoke/Lynchburg, Washington DC
Boston: Albany/Schenectady, Bangor, Boston, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Hartford/New Haven, Portland (ME), Presque Isle, Providence/New Bedford, Springfield (MA)
Chicago (both): Cedar Rapids/Waterloo, Champaign/Springfield/Decatur, Chicago, Des Moines, Fort Wayne, Indianapolis, Lafayette (IN), Ottumwa/Kirksville, Peoria/Bloomington, Quad Cities, Quincy/Hannibal/Keokuk, Rockford, South Bend/Elkhart, Terre Haute
Cincinnati: Bluefield/Beckley/Oak Hill, Bowling Green, Bristol/Kingsport/Johnson City, Charleston/Huntington, Cincinnati, Columbus (OH), Dayton, Evansville, Indianapolis, Knoxville, Lexington, Lima, Louisville, Nashville, Parkersburg/Marietta, Zanesville
Cleveland: Cleveland, Columbus (OH), Erie, Lima, Toledo, Wheeling/Steubenville, Youngstown, Zanesville
Colorado: Albuquerque/Santa Fe, Billings, Butte/Bozeman, Casper/Riverton, Cheyenne/Scottsbluff, Colorado Springs/Pueblo, Denver, Grand Junction, Great Falls, Helena, Rapid City, Salt Lake City
Detroit: Alpena, Detroit, Flint/Saginaw/Bay City, Fort Wayne, Grand Rapids/Kalamazoo/Battle Creek, Lansing, Marquette, South Bend/Elkhart, Toledo, Traverse City/Cadillac
Houston: Alexandria (LA), Austin, Baton Rouge, Beaumont/Port Arthur, Corpus Christi, Houston, Lafayette (LA), Lake Charles, Laredo, McAllen/Brownsville/Harlingen, New Orleans, San Antonio, Victoria, Waco/Temple/Bryan
Kansas City: Columbia (MO), Des Moines, Joplin/Pittsburg, Kansas City, Lincoln/Hastings/Kearney, North Platte, Omaha, Ottumwa/Kirksville, St. Joseph, Sioux City, Springfield (MO), Topeka, Wichita/Hutchinson
Los Angeles (both): Bakersfield, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Palm Springs, Santa Barbara/San Luis Obispo
Miami: Fort Myers/Naples, Miami/Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach/Fort Pierce
Milwaukee: Eau Claire/La Crosse, Green Bay/Appleton, Madison, Milwaukee, Wausau/Rhinelander
Minnesota: Bismarck/Minot/Williston/Dickinson, Des Moines, Duluth/Superior, Fargo/Grand Forks, Glendive, Mankato, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Rochester/Austin/Mason City, Sioux City, Sioux Falls
New York (both): Albany/Schenectady, Binghamton, Buffalo, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Elmira/Corning, Hartford/New Haven, New York City, Rochester (NY), Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Syracuse, Utica/Rome, Watertown
Philadelphia: Harrisburg/Lancaster/York, Philadelphia, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre
Pittsburgh: Clarksburg/Weston, Erie, Johnstown/Altoona/State College, Pittsburgh, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Wheeling/Steubenville, Youngstown
San Diego: San Diego, Yuma/El Centro
San Francisco and Oakland: Chico/Redding, Eureka, Fresno, Medford/Klamath Falls, Monterey/Salinas, Reno, Sacramento/Stockton, San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose
Seattle: Bend, Boise, Eugene, Idaho Falls/Pocatello, Missoula/Kalispell, Portland (OR), Seattle/Tacoma, Spokane, Twin Falls, Yakima/Tri-Cities
St. Louis: Champaign/Springfield/Decatur, Columbia (MO), Evansville, Jackson (TN), Jonesboro, Memphis, Ottumwa/Kirksville, Paducah/Cape Girardeau, Peoria/Bloomington, Quincy/Hannibal/Keokuk, St. Louis, Springfield (MO), Terre Haute
Tampa Bay: Fort Myers/Naples, Gainesville/Ocala, Orlando/Daytona Beach/Melbourne, Tampa/St. Petersburg
Texas: Abilene, Amarillo, Austin, Dallas/Fort Worth, El Paso/Las Cruces, Fort Smith/Fayetteville, Little Rock, Lubbock, Midland/Odessa, Monroe/El Dorado, Oklahoma City, San Angelo, San Antonio, Sherman/Ada, Shreveport/Texarkana, Tulsa, Tyler/Longview, Waco/Temple/Bryan, Wichita Falls/Lawton
The Blue Jays would have all of Canada, as well as the Buffalo and Rochester (NY) DMAs. The Jays would share southwestern Ontario and Algoma District (Soo Ontario) with the Tigers.
I realize that the Nats have made little inroads down there but I'm not sure I agree with assigning Raleigh-Durham to Atlanta. That's too far north for my taste and seems to artificially limit the Nats's ability to expand south. DC is substantially closer than Atlanta.
The Braves have a much larger fanbase in the South due to being around for longer.
The Braves have a large following due to being on the TBS Superstation for years and they were good for many years too.
I know a guy from Raleigh who went with the Cubs because of WGN but this is generally true here. The Braves developed a large fanbase because they were on TBS and were a damn good team in the 90s.
The Braves shouldn't just arbitrarily be given the South because they were the first one there. DC and Baltimore are closer than Atlanta to Raleigh (and much of eastern NC) and Philadelphia isn't that much farther away from Raleigh/Durham. There's no logical reason to give the Braves all of North Carolina other than some desire to lump all of the South together.
Do people in North Carolina identify more with Georgia or Maryland/DC?
Atlanta teams in the parts I'm familiar with.
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I don't see where Vermont would have any ties to the Blue Jays. It's a New England state I would think the Red Sox dominate it.
Correct on both counts, although the Sox don't completely dominate the state. Bennington County in particular has a number of Yankees fans, though it doesn't hurt that they're primarily in the Albany TV market (that said, I know from personal experience that you can still get Burlington stations there). Very few Mets fans up here, though.
While Vermont historically had ties to the Expos (and briefly to the Nats even after the team move), they recently had (until last year's Minor League reorganization) a farm team that fell under the Oakland A's umbrella...
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I think that the Canadiens have somewhat of a following in Northern New England.
Yes they do, at least in northern Vermont. Hockey is more of a mixed bag in Vermont than baseball, at least as far as fan base. It's split between the Habs (Canadiens), Bruins, and Rangers. The Islanders are like the Mets and get basically no love...
The Islanders fanbase is probably exclusive to Long Island.
Nah. They have some support throughout the NYC metro area, often from fans who don't like the team considered local (either Devils or Rangers).
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I don't see where Vermont would have any ties to the Blue Jays. It's a New England state I would think the Red Sox dominate it.
Correct on both counts, although the Sox don't completely dominate the state. Bennington County in particular has a number of Yankees fans, though it doesn't hurt that they're primarily in the Albany TV market (that said, I know from personal experience that you can still get Burlington stations there). Very few Mets fans up here, though.
While Vermont historically had ties to the Expos (and briefly to the Nats even after the team move), they recently had (until last year's Minor League reorganization) a farm team that fell under the Oakland A's umbrella...
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I think that the Canadiens have somewhat of a following in Northern New England.
Yes they do, at least in northern Vermont. Hockey is more of a mixed bag in Vermont than baseball, at least as far as fan base. It's split between the Habs (Canadiens), Bruins, and Rangers. The Islanders are like the Mets and get basically no love...
The Islanders fanbase is probably exclusive to Long Island.
Nah. They have some support throughout the NYC metro area, often from fans who don't like the team considered local (either Devils or Rangers).
Mostly Brooklyn/Queens or all over?
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IMHO, here is how the MLB territories should be (by DMA; map of DMAs and radio markets can be found at https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Arbitron/Market-Maps/Nielsen-Market-Map-Fall%202020.pdf):
Arizona: Albuquerque/Santa Fe, Phoenix, Tucson, Yuma/El Centro
Atlanta: Albany (GA), Atlanta, Augusta, Birmingham/Tuscaloosa, Bristol/Kingsport/Johnson City, Charleston (SC), Charlotte, Chattanooga, Columbia (SC), Columbus (GA), Columbus/Tupelo/West Point, Dothan, Florence/Myrtle Beach, Greensboro/Winston-Salem/High Point, Greenville/New Bern/Jacksonville, Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville, Greenwood/Greenville, Gulfport/Biloxi, Hattiesburg/Laurel, Huntsville/Decatur, Jackson (MS), Jackson (TN), Jacksonville, Knoxville, Macon, Memphis, Meridian, Mobile/Pensacola/Fort Walton Beach, Montgomery, Nashville, Panama City, Raleigh/Durham, Savannah, Tallahassee, Wilmington
Baltimore and Washington: Baltimore, Harrisburg/Lancaster/York, Harrisonburg, Norfolk/Virginia Beach, Richmond, Roanoke/Lynchburg, Washington DC
Boston: Albany/Schenectady, Bangor, Boston, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Hartford/New Haven, Portland (ME), Presque Isle, Providence/New Bedford, Springfield (MA)
Chicago (both): Cedar Rapids/Waterloo, Champaign/Springfield/Decatur, Chicago, Des Moines, Fort Wayne, Indianapolis, Lafayette (IN), Ottumwa/Kirksville, Peoria/Bloomington, Quad Cities, Quincy/Hannibal/Keokuk, Rockford, South Bend/Elkhart, Terre Haute
Cincinnati: Bluefield/Beckley/Oak Hill, Bowling Green, Bristol/Kingsport/Johnson City, Charleston/Huntington, Cincinnati, Columbus (OH), Dayton, Evansville, Indianapolis, Knoxville, Lexington, Lima, Louisville, Nashville, Parkersburg/Marietta, Zanesville
Cleveland: Cleveland, Columbus (OH), Erie, Lima, Toledo, Wheeling/Steubenville, Youngstown, Zanesville
Colorado: Albuquerque/Santa Fe, Billings, Butte/Bozeman, Casper/Riverton, Cheyenne/Scottsbluff, Colorado Springs/Pueblo, Denver, Grand Junction, Great Falls, Helena, Rapid City, Salt Lake City
Detroit: Alpena, Detroit, Flint/Saginaw/Bay City, Fort Wayne, Grand Rapids/Kalamazoo/Battle Creek, Lansing, Marquette, South Bend/Elkhart, Toledo, Traverse City/Cadillac
Houston: Alexandria (LA), Austin, Baton Rouge, Beaumont/Port Arthur, Corpus Christi, Houston, Lafayette (LA), Lake Charles, Laredo, McAllen/Brownsville/Harlingen, New Orleans, San Antonio, Victoria, Waco/Temple/Bryan
Kansas City: Columbia (MO), Des Moines, Joplin/Pittsburg, Kansas City, Lincoln/Hastings/Kearney, North Platte, Omaha, Ottumwa/Kirksville, St. Joseph, Sioux City, Springfield (MO), Topeka, Wichita/Hutchinson
Los Angeles (both): Bakersfield, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Palm Springs, Santa Barbara/San Luis Obispo
Miami: Fort Myers/Naples, Miami/Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach/Fort Pierce
Milwaukee: Eau Claire/La Crosse, Green Bay/Appleton, Madison, Milwaukee, Wausau/Rhinelander
Minnesota: Bismarck/Minot/Williston/Dickinson, Des Moines, Duluth/Superior, Fargo/Grand Forks, Glendive, Mankato, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Rochester/Austin/Mason City, Sioux City, Sioux Falls
New York (both): Albany/Schenectady, Binghamton, Buffalo, Burlington/Plattsburgh, Elmira/Corning, Hartford/New Haven, New York City, Rochester (NY), Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Syracuse, Utica/Rome, Watertown
Philadelphia: Harrisburg/Lancaster/York, Philadelphia, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre
Pittsburgh: Clarksburg/Weston, Erie, Johnstown/Altoona/State College, Pittsburgh, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Wheeling/Steubenville, Youngstown
San Diego: San Diego, Yuma/El Centro
San Francisco and Oakland: Chico/Redding, Eureka, Fresno, Medford/Klamath Falls, Monterey/Salinas, Reno, Sacramento/Stockton, San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose
Seattle: Bend, Boise, Eugene, Idaho Falls/Pocatello, Missoula/Kalispell, Portland (OR), Seattle/Tacoma, Spokane, Twin Falls, Yakima/Tri-Cities
St. Louis: Champaign/Springfield/Decatur, Columbia (MO), Evansville, Jackson (TN), Jonesboro, Memphis, Ottumwa/Kirksville, Paducah/Cape Girardeau, Peoria/Bloomington, Quincy/Hannibal/Keokuk, St. Louis, Springfield (MO), Terre Haute
Tampa Bay: Fort Myers/Naples, Gainesville/Ocala, Orlando/Daytona Beach/Melbourne, Tampa/St. Petersburg
Texas: Abilene, Amarillo, Austin, Dallas/Fort Worth, El Paso/Las Cruces, Fort Smith/Fayetteville, Little Rock, Lubbock, Midland/Odessa, Monroe/El Dorado, Oklahoma City, San Angelo, San Antonio, Sherman/Ada, Shreveport/Texarkana, Tulsa, Tyler/Longview, Waco/Temple/Bryan, Wichita Falls/Lawton
The Blue Jays would have all of Canada, as well as the Buffalo and Rochester (NY) DMAs. The Jays would share southwestern Ontario and Algoma District (Soo Ontario) with the Tigers.
I realize that the Nats have made little inroads down there but I'm not sure I agree with assigning Raleigh-Durham to Atlanta. That's too far north for my taste and seems to artificially limit the Nats's ability to expand south. DC is substantially closer than Atlanta.
The Braves have a much larger fanbase in the South due to being around for longer.
The Braves have a large following due to being on the TBS Superstation for years and they were good for many years too.
I know a guy from Raleigh who went with the Cubs because of WGN but this is generally true here. The Braves developed a large fanbase because they were on TBS and were a damn good team in the 90s.
The Braves shouldn't just arbitrarily be given the South because they were the first one there. DC and Baltimore are closer than Atlanta to Raleigh (and much of eastern NC) and Philadelphia isn't that much farther away from Raleigh/Durham. There's no logical reason to give the Braves all of North Carolina other than some desire to lump all of the South together.
Do people in North Carolina identify more with Georgia or Maryland/DC?
In my experience, Charlotte for sports and then baseball is a hodge podge. Definitely Braves more than others as a hold over from the TBS deal but I wouldn't say that they identify with either Georgia or Maryland/DC. NC is its own sports market with three out of the four major sports. I don't think it fits into either DC or Atlanta sports.
For what it's worth, the Braves Radio Network doesn't go north of Fayetteville and the Nats have affiliates in OBX, Greenville, and New Bern. You can't actually get baseball on the radio in RDU or the Triad area.
I'd give everything from Raleigh to the coast to the Nats, so the Raleigh/Durham, Greenville/New Bern, and Wilmington markets while the Braves get the rest of the state. The Braves get the portions along I-95 south of Fayetteville because of their inclusion in the Florence/Myrtle Beach market.
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Houston: Alexandria (LA), Austin, Baton Rouge, Beaumont/Port Arthur, Corpus Christi, Houston, Lafayette (LA), Lake Charles, Laredo, McAllen/Brownsville/Harlingen, New Orleans, San Antonio, Victoria, Waco/Temple/Bryan
I think the Astros don't have much of a following outside of southeast Texas and southwest Louisiana. San Antonio, Waco/Temple and Austin are split about 60/40 between the Rangers and Astros; New Orleans is likely Braves or Yankees territory; and I don't really think the RGV or Laredo really cares for baseball that much.
I'm a White Sox fan but I watched a lot of Braves games growing up and rooted for them since they were an NL team and this was before Interleague play. As a fan of an AL team you never saw the NL unless it as an exhibition game, the All-Star game or the World Series and vice versa for NL fans for AL teams. I watched the Tigers, Braves, Cubs and White Sox growing up. I never liked the Cubs but I watched them just so I could laugh at Harry Caray while he was up there in the booth plastered out of his mind and those big coke bottle sized glasses he use to wear lmao.
I thought the Hawk and Wimpy show on the Southside of town was better though. I liked the exploding scoreboard and Frank Thomas was my favorite player in the game at that point. I also liked Jack McDowell who I have become friends with and know personally.
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Houston: Alexandria (LA), Austin, Baton Rouge, Beaumont/Port Arthur, Corpus Christi, Houston, Lafayette (LA), Lake Charles, Laredo, McAllen/Brownsville/Harlingen, New Orleans, San Antonio, Victoria, Waco/Temple/Bryan
I think the Astros don't have much of a following outside of southeast Texas and southwest Louisiana. San Antonio, Waco/Temple and Austin are split about 60/40 between the Rangers and Astros; New Orleans is likely Braves or Yankees territory; and I don't really think the RGV or Laredo really cares for baseball that much.
They need to be in someone's TV market. And not the Yankees because fuck em.
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Houston: Alexandria (LA), Austin, Baton Rouge, Beaumont/Port Arthur, Corpus Christi, Houston, Lafayette (LA), Lake Charles, Laredo, McAllen/Brownsville/Harlingen, New Orleans, San Antonio, Victoria, Waco/Temple/Bryan
I think the Astros don't have much of a following outside of southeast Texas and southwest Louisiana. San Antonio, Waco/Temple and Austin are split about 60/40 between the Rangers and Astros; New Orleans is likely Braves or Yankees territory; and I don't really think the RGV or Laredo really cares for baseball that much.
They need to be in someone's TV market. And not the Yankees because fuck em.
Excuse me? I'm a Yanks fan, how dare you use the f-bomb on us.
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Houston: Alexandria (LA), Austin, Baton Rouge, Beaumont/Port Arthur, Corpus Christi, Houston, Lafayette (LA), Lake Charles, Laredo, McAllen/Brownsville/Harlingen, New Orleans, San Antonio, Victoria, Waco/Temple/Bryan
I think the Astros don't have much of a following outside of southeast Texas and southwest Louisiana. San Antonio, Waco/Temple and Austin are split about 60/40 between the Rangers and Astros; New Orleans is likely Braves or Yankees territory; and I don't really think the RGV or Laredo really cares for baseball that much.
They need to be in someone's TV market. And not the Yankees because fuck em.
Excuse me? I'm a Yanks fan, how dare you use the f-bomb on us.
You look like a Cubs fan to me.
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Houston: Alexandria (LA), Austin, Baton Rouge, Beaumont/Port Arthur, Corpus Christi, Houston, Lafayette (LA), Lake Charles, Laredo, McAllen/Brownsville/Harlingen, New Orleans, San Antonio, Victoria, Waco/Temple/Bryan
I think the Astros don't have much of a following outside of southeast Texas and southwest Louisiana. San Antonio, Waco/Temple and Austin are split about 60/40 between the Rangers and Astros; New Orleans is likely Braves or Yankees territory; and I don't really think the RGV or Laredo really cares for baseball that much.
They need to be in someone's TV market. And not the Yankees because fuck em.
Excuse me? I'm a Yanks fan, how dare you use the f-bomb on us.
You look like a Cubs fan to me.
I'm also a Cubs fan, but that wouldn't have been prior to 2016. I'll be more of a Indians fan once they change their name...unless the plan falls through (wouldn't surprise me if that were to happen, or if they go with what the Football Team did and call themselves the Baseball Team, even worse than the Deadskins' approach). Marlins/Devil Rays (don't like what TB did with shortening their name, and their logo isn't what Miami's is, and TB hasn't won a World Series yet) as a Florida resident.
Screw all teams not named the Chicago White Sox.
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Screw all teams not named the Chicago White Sox.
Suprised that you aren't a Tigers fan.
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Screw all teams not named the Chicago White Sox.
Suprised that you aren't a Tigers fan.
He already said elsewhere that he isn't.
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Screw all teams not named the Chicago White Sox.
C'mon, don't make the thread worse for the eyes, and make it susceptible for locking.
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Screw all teams not named the Chicago White Sox.
Suprised that you aren't a Tigers fan.
I use to not mind the Tigers but now I pretty much hate them. The Red Wings are the only Detroit team I can tolerate. I hate the Lions with a passion.
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Screw all teams not named the Chicago White Sox.
Suprised that you aren't a Tigers fan.
I use to not mind the Tigers but now I pretty much hate them. The Red Wings are the only Detroit team I can tolerate. I hate the Lions with a passion.
Well now, there's something I can agree with, I'm not even a Lions fan myself. No comment on the Jags. Gotta see what they do this upcoming season.
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Screw all teams not named the Chicago White Sox.
Suprised that you aren't a Tigers fan.
I use to not mind the Tigers but now I pretty much hate them. The Red Wings are the only Detroit team I can tolerate. I hate the Lions with a passion.
Are you a Chicago sports fan? And why?
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Screw all teams not named the Chicago White Sox.
C'mon, don't make the thread worse for the eyes, and make it susceptible for locking.
Cubs fans do that lol.
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Screw all teams not named the Chicago White Sox.
Suprised that you aren't a Tigers fan.
I use to not mind the Tigers but now I pretty much hate them. The Red Wings are the only Detroit team I can tolerate. I hate the Lions with a passion.
Are you a Chicago sports fan? And why?
He's already mentioned elsewhere why he is.
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Screw all teams not named the Chicago White Sox.
C'mon, don't make the thread worse for the eyes, and make it susceptible for locking.
Cubs fans do that lol.
🤦
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Screw all teams not named the Chicago White Sox.
Suprised that you aren't a Tigers fan.
I use to not mind the Tigers but now I pretty much hate them. The Red Wings are the only Detroit team I can tolerate. I hate the Lions with a passion.
Are you a Chicago sports fan? And why?
The White Sox because they were on TV a lot in the 80's and I liked their old stadium and then Frank Thomas was my favorite player growing up so I just have liked the same team all along. My dad tried making me into a Tigers fan and I wasn't interested. It wasn't like it is now with the internet and MLB Extra Innings and all that stuff, the only teams you got were your local team, the Cubs, White Sox and Braves due to WGN and TBS.
I'm not a basketball fan so I don't have to discuss the Bulls too much but I was when Michael Jordan was playing so that one was easy to follow they won a lot and were on TV all the time but I haven't followed the NBA in years.
For hockey I just followed the Hawks because of Chicago but the Wings were winning so it was harder to like the Hawks over the Wings and the Hawks had a terrible owner named Bill Wirtz who wouldn't broadcast home games on TV because he felt it was unfair to season ticket holders, he was called Dollar Bill for a reason. His son took over after he died in about 2007 just before the Hawks got good. And I hadn't been following it for a few years so I like Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews so I started following the Hawks more.
For football the Bears were an easy choice, they are Chicago's #1 team and I can't stand the Lions so I have always liked the Bears and I hate the Packers and Vikings too. I guess I could have went with the Colts (Indiana's team). I lived in Indiana for several years. But that's pretty much why I like Chicago's team plus I love the city of Chicago, the El, the food, the lakefront, the downtown skyline it all goes well together.
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Screw all teams not named the Chicago White Sox.
Suprised that you aren't a Tigers fan.
I use to not mind the Tigers but now I pretty much hate them. The Red Wings are the only Detroit team I can tolerate. I hate the Lions with a passion.
Are you a Chicago sports fan? And why?
He's already mentioned elsewhere why he is.
Well he asked so I answered in the post above this one.