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Started by Grzrd, October 09, 2010, 01:18:12 PM

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ethanhopkin14

Quote from: Thegeet on April 01, 2022, 11:42:49 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on April 01, 2022, 10:48:06 AM
Quote from: Thegeet on March 31, 2022, 02:32:00 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 31, 2022, 02:06:11 PM
Will any of the existing business routes be converted into Interstate 69 Business Routes? Especially if the US Highways the existing and future Interstate 69s parallel are truncated?
Either that or maybe new state "Loop"  routes are designated or brought back. (i.e., Loop 525 in El Campo, Loop 183 in Wharton and Hungerford)

That has always fascinated me.  How Texas decides when to use a business route and when to use a loop designation to serve the same purpose.  There is zero constancy.
I think it has to be a certain long enough length. The Victoria El Campo and Wharton routes are long enough I believe. If anything, why was Loop 175 the designation for the southern Victoria loop?

I don't think that's it.  Why is SH-5 a state highway and not Business US 75?  It is the old alignment.  Same note, why is SH-75 not BL-45?

Closer to subject, why is the old alignment of US-290 through Ozona Loop-466, where further down I-10, the old alignment for US-290 is BL-10 through Ft. Stockton?


kphoger

Interesting to note along those lines:

Quote from: Texas Department of Transportation – Transportation Planning and Programming Division
BUSINESS INTERSTATE HIGHWAY NO. 10-G

Minute Order 100223, dated 01/21/1991; DesLtr 01-1992, dated 01/30/1992

From IH 10 west of Fort Stockton, eastward to IH 10 east of Fort Stockton, a distance of approximately 4.4 miles.  (Pecos County)  New designation; this mileage transferred from US 290.

Quote from: Texas Department of Transportation – Transportation Planning and Programming Division
STATE HIGHWAY LOOP NO. 466

Minute Order 060985, dated 06/12/1968; Adm. Cir. 051-1968, dated 06/15/1968

Ozona Loop - From IH 10 west of Ozona, eastward along old location of US 290 to IH 10, east of Ozona. (Crockett County)  New designation; to be marked US 290 business route; effective when IH 10 is open to through traffic.

Quote from: Texas Department of Transportation – Transportation Planning and Programming Division
STATE HIGHWAY LOOP NO. 467

Minute Order 061007, dated 06/12/1968; Adm. Cir. 051-1968, dated 06/15/1968

Sonora Loop - From IH 10 west of Sonora, eastward along old location US 290 to IH 10 east of Sonora. (Sutton County)  New designation; to be marked US 290 business route; effective when IH 10 is open to through traffic.

Were the routes through Ozona and Sonora already old alignments when Loops 466 and 467 were designated?  The minute order for the Fort Stockton I-10-BL states that it was transferred directly from US-290 in 1991, which is when US-290 was truncated.  In contrast, the minute orders for the Ozona and Sonora loops both include the phrase "old location of US 290".
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: Philip K. DickIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

Thegeet


MaxConcrete

Quote from: Thegeet on May 04, 2022, 01:41:55 AM
The Corrigan Bypass is about to be let on Thursday: https://www.dot.state.tx.us/insdtdot/orgchart/cmd/cserve/btc/btcp_2.htm#017604056

http://www.dot.state.tx.us/insdtdot/orgchart/cmd/cserve/bidtab/05053201.htm

Bid is 15% above estimate. I expect the low bid to be approved and proceed to construction. The project length on IH 69 is 6.4 miles (not 10.86 miles)

County:   POLK   Let Date:   05/05/22
Type:   HIGHWAY IMPROVEMENT   Seq No:   3201
Time:   902 WORKING DAYS   Project ID:   NH 2013(222)
Highway:   US 59   Contract #:   05223201
Length:   10.860   CCSJ:   0176-04-056
Limits:   
From:   3.4 MI N OF US 287   Check:   $100,000
To:   US 287   Misc Cost:   
Estimate   $150,506,214.09   % Over/Under   Company
Bidder 1   $172,799,108.00   +14.81%   JAMES CONSTRUCTION GROUP, LLC
Bidder 2   $182,816,096.99   +21.47%   SACYR CONSTRUCTION USA LLC
Bidder 3   $187,266,075.72   +24.42%   WEBBER, LLC
Bidder 4   $197,961,185.45   +31.53%   WILLIAMS BROTHERS CONSTRUCTION CO., INC.
Bidder 5   $215,777,432.19   +43.37%   JOHNSON BROS. CORPORATION, A SOUTHLAND COMPANY
www.DFWFreeways.com
www.HoustonFreeways.com

abqtraveler

Quote from: MaxConcrete on May 05, 2022, 06:40:51 PM
Quote from: Thegeet on May 04, 2022, 01:41:55 AM
The Corrigan Bypass is about to be let on Thursday: https://www.dot.state.tx.us/insdtdot/orgchart/cmd/cserve/btc/btcp_2.htm#017604056

http://www.dot.state.tx.us/insdtdot/orgchart/cmd/cserve/bidtab/05053201.htm

Bid is 15% above estimate. I expect the low bid to be approved and proceed to construction. The project length on IH 69 is 6.4 miles (not 10.86 miles)

County:   POLK   Let Date:   05/05/22
Type:   HIGHWAY IMPROVEMENT   Seq No:   3201
Time:   902 WORKING DAYS   Project ID:   NH 2013(222)
Highway:   US 59   Contract #:   05223201
Length:   10.860   CCSJ:   0176-04-056
Limits:   
From:   3.4 MI N OF US 287   Check:   $100,000
To:   US 287   Misc Cost:   
Estimate   $150,506,214.09   % Over/Under   Company
Bidder 1   $172,799,108.00   +14.81%   JAMES CONSTRUCTION GROUP, LLC
Bidder 2   $182,816,096.99   +21.47%   SACYR CONSTRUCTION USA LLC
Bidder 3   $187,266,075.72   +24.42%   WEBBER, LLC
Bidder 4   $197,961,185.45   +31.53%   WILLIAMS BROTHERS CONSTRUCTION CO., INC.
Bidder 5   $215,777,432.19   +43.37%   JOHNSON BROS. CORPORATION, A SOUTHLAND COMPANY

Not surprising that bids are coming in significantly above the Engineer's estimate with rampant inflation, not to mention fuel costs. So from 3.4 mi N of US-287 to US-287 would only cover the northern half of the Corrigan Bypass. So what about the southern half?
2-d Interstates traveled:  4, 5, 8, 10, 15, 20, 24, 25, 27, 29, 35, 39, 40, 41, 43, 45, 49, 55, 57, 64, 65, 66, 69, 70, 71, 72, 74, 75, 76(E), 77, 78, 81, 83, 84(W), 85, 87(N), 89, 90, 91, 93, 94, 95

2-d Interstates Clinched:  12, 22, 30, 37, 44, 59, 80, 84(E), 86(E), 238, H1, H2, H3, H201

J N Winkler

#2330
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 11, 2022, 12:53:38 PMNot surprising that bids are coming in significantly above the Engineer's estimate with rampant inflation, not to mention fuel costs. So from 3.4 mi N of US-287 to US-287 would only cover the northern half of the Corrigan Bypass. So what about the southern half?

It is not clear from the bid tabulation at the link MaxConcrete posted, but the project does include the entire Corrigan Bypass, as is evident from the construction plans.  The limits correspond to CSJ 0176-04-056, which is the one of several CSJs in the project that has been chosen as the contract CSJ (CCSJ).  The project also includes CSJ 0176-05-104 (highway improvement, covering the rest of the bypass from US 287 south to mainline US 59) and CSJ 0176-04-074 (right-of-way acquisition).  The entry in TxDOT's letting list has the breakdown.

Edit:  The project map on the title sheet of the plans set shows how the CSJs fit in the overall project:

"It is necessary to spend a hundred lire now to save a thousand lire later."--Piero Puricelli, explaining the need for a first-class road system to Benito Mussolini

Thegeet


Bobby5280

Once a contractor's bid is chosen how long will it be for construction to get started on the Corrigan bypass?

Corrigan is about 14 miles South of Diboll. What's the latest with the Diboll bypass? According to some online news articles the process to clear the ROW has been underway for some time. Completion was in the 2024-25 time frame (depending on the news article). Other work is in progress a little farther up the road in Lufkin. Upgrading the East half of Loop-287 to Interstate standards seems to be taking place in chunks. The area of US-59 between the Diboll bypass and Loop 287 in Lufkin could be a bit challenging.

It seems frustrating just how long it has been taking for US-59 to be upgraded on the North side of the Houston metro. The stretch of I-69 between the Grand Parkway and Cleveland still isn't finished.

bwana39

Quote from: Bobby5280 on May 13, 2022, 07:56:11 PM


Corrigan is about 14 miles South of Diboll. What's the latest with the Diboll bypass? According to some online news articles the process to clear the ROW has been underway for some time. Completion was in the 2024-25 time frame (depending on the news article).

There is bridge building going on at the south intersection. So I understand most, if not all, of the clearing is done (the clearing is also evident at the north portal.) I can see it open easily by the 2024-25 timetable.
Let's build what we need as economically as possible.

Thegeet

Quote from: Bobby5280 on May 13, 2022, 07:56:11 PM
Once a contractor's bid is chosen how long will it be for construction to get started on the Corrigan bypass?

Corrigan is about 14 miles South of Diboll. What's the latest with the Diboll bypass? According to some online news articles the process to clear the ROW has been underway for some time. Completion was in the 2024-25 time frame (depending on the news article). Other work is in progress a little farther up the road in Lufkin. Upgrading the East half of Loop-287 to Interstate standards seems to be taking place in chunks. The area of US-59 between the Diboll bypass and Loop 287 in Lufkin could be a bit challenging.

It seems frustrating just how long it has been taking for US-59 to be upgraded on the North side of the Houston metro. The stretch of I-69 between the Grand Parkway and Cleveland still isn't finished.
First, the contractor has to sign a contract. Then, it has 90 days to start construction. The signing can take anywhere from a week to a year. The bid for US 59 Frontage road project between US 87 and SH 185 in Victoria was chosen in September and work didn't start until April.

TheBox

#2335
New Street view of the (nearly completed at the time) El Campo overpass, the placing of these new street views is inconsistent tho

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.2059948,-96.242757,3a,75y,202.72h,88.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sogXxl83_KUukPzjJPKYGIA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=1
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.2023061,-96.2445079,3a,75y,222.99h,89.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLR3owE_xUaPvYMKRVPXnRQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=1
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1998027,-96.2452621,3a,75y,166.87h,84.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBpX_cXlvGTeKnq0rk5lZTQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=1
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1981344,-96.2453264,3a,75y,171.46h,83.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWXuy0tcaXqLXwMdc5gWocw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=1
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1890518,-96.2463833,3a,75y,223.32h,81.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sxKF4Opja7FhxkJy2RLI8uQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=1
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1882339,-96.2469216,3a,75y,213.01h,89.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sERJebGQL3pDYrNBuhTdT_A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=1
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1867888,-96.2483109,3a,75y,156.83h,86.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXv7-WG9Qd9em3C0vRLliLg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=1
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.184779,-96.2502242,3a,75y,41.39h,91.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suobypMDoGyKh9nMAE3MeYA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=1
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.177871,-96.2602868,3a,75y,70.78h,91.2t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssZTSBRNhL_jJbVKPJSDQEw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=1
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.176636,-96.2653096,3a,15y,70.88h,89.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJ2_fMgrdIsvL8wMGaXZE1Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=1 (just new tar, with some overpass changes)
Wake me up when they upgrade US-290 between the state's largest city and growing capital into expressway standards if it interstate standards.

Giddings bypass, Elgin bypass, and Elgin-Manor freeway/tollway when?

Thegeet

That's the only new overpass they will build surprisingly enough. Although the other rusty old ones (from 1976? Someone confirm) will remain a pet peeve, at least the El Campo bypass is now practically a freeway.

Chris

How far along is the I-69 upgrade southwest of Houston? Some July 2021 imagery in Google Earth shows the freeway in use on the main lanes between Rosenberg and Kendleton. I haven't read much about these segments opening to traffic.

Thegeet

Quote from: Chris on May 17, 2022, 01:35:56 PM
How far along is the I-69 upgrade southwest of Houston? Some July 2021 imagery in Google Earth shows the freeway in use on the main lanes between Rosenberg and Kendleton. I haven't read much about these segments opening to traffic.
A new NB bridge is being built across the Wharton/Fort Bend county line. Additional lanes are still being constructed south of Rosenberg. NB Traffic in Hungerford has been shifted to the frontage road via the future exit ramp for Ponderosa Rd or FM 1161. NB traffic exiting to FM 2919 slights onto the unfinished future NB bridge.

Thegeet

In other news: The I-69W exit to I-35 South in Laredo is now exit 2B.

CoolAngrybirdsrio4

Renewed roadgeek

sprjus4

Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on May 20, 2022, 10:34:50 PM
I am just suspiciously wondering what is going with US 77 south of Kingsville, because it looks like there are construction equipment within Ricardo as of March 2022 on GSV (Google Street View). Are they putting I-69E straight through Ricardo as I was thinking due the presence of equipment? :hmmm:
That's the plan... there's no point to bypass the town. The existing highway is easily upgradable.

abqtraveler

Quote from: sprjus4 on May 20, 2022, 10:48:58 PM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on May 20, 2022, 10:34:50 PM
I am just suspiciously wondering what is going with US 77 south of Kingsville, because it looks like there are construction equipment within Ricardo as of March 2022 on GSV (Google Street View). Are they putting I-69E straight through Ricardo as I was thinking due the presence of equipment? :hmmm:
That's the plan... there's no point to bypass the town. The existing highway is easily upgradable.
From the looks of it on GSV, it appears they are working on utility relocations along US-77 from Kingsville to Riviera in anticipation of construction starting soon.
2-d Interstates traveled:  4, 5, 8, 10, 15, 20, 24, 25, 27, 29, 35, 39, 40, 41, 43, 45, 49, 55, 57, 64, 65, 66, 69, 70, 71, 72, 74, 75, 76(E), 77, 78, 81, 83, 84(W), 85, 87(N), 89, 90, 91, 93, 94, 95

2-d Interstates Clinched:  12, 22, 30, 37, 44, 59, 80, 84(E), 86(E), 238, H1, H2, H3, H201

Thegeet

Indeed. Before they construct, TxDOT performs what is called a utility coordination. They relocate power lines and drainage systems if any. It is usually performed before or on the date of letting.

jgb191

Ricardo and Woodsboro are two of the towns that don't need to go around; the interstate will go right through it.
We're so far south that we're not even considered "The South"

Thegeet

Quote from: jgb191 on May 22, 2022, 04:42:45 AM
Ricardo and Woodsboro are two of the towns that don't need to go around; the interstate will go right through it.
True. There's enough right of way to build a freeway through. This would be my ideal scenario for freeways and interstates. I don't know why.

CoolAngrybirdsrio4

Quote from: abqtraveler on May 20, 2022, 11:24:18 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 20, 2022, 10:48:58 PM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on May 20, 2022, 10:34:50 PM
I am just suspiciously wondering what is going with US 77 south of Kingsville, because it looks like there are construction equipment within Ricardo as of March 2022 on GSV (Google Street View). Are they putting I-69E straight through Ricardo as I was thinking due the presence of equipment? :hmmm:
That's the plan... there's no point to bypass the town. The existing highway is easily upgradable.
From the looks of it on GSV, it appears they are working on utility relocations along US-77 from Kingsville to Riviera in anticipation of construction starting soon.

Makes sense why utility vehicles were present on US 77. How long does it usually take for a stretch of freeway to be finished, 1-2 years?
Renewed roadgeek

Thegeet

Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on May 25, 2022, 04:10:17 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 20, 2022, 11:24:18 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 20, 2022, 10:48:58 PM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on May 20, 2022, 10:34:50 PM
I am just suspiciously wondering what is going with US 77 south of Kingsville, because it looks like there are construction equipment within Ricardo as of March 2022 on GSV (Google Street View). Are they putting I-69E straight through Ricardo as I was thinking due the presence of equipment? :hmmm:
That's the plan... there's no point to bypass the town. The existing highway is easily upgradable.
From the looks of it on GSV, it appears they are working on utility relocations along US-77 from Kingsville to Riviera in anticipation of construction starting soon.

Makes sense why utility vehicles were present on US 77. How long does it usually take for a stretch of freeway to be finished, 1-2 years?
About 3-4 years for a bypass or stretch of similar length. For a new overpass, usually 1-2 years.

abqtraveler

Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on May 25, 2022, 04:10:17 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 20, 2022, 11:24:18 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 20, 2022, 10:48:58 PM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on May 20, 2022, 10:34:50 PM
I am just suspiciously wondering what is going with US 77 south of Kingsville, because it looks like there are construction equipment within Ricardo as of March 2022 on GSV (Google Street View). Are they putting I-69E straight through Ricardo as I was thinking due the presence of equipment? :hmmm:
That's the plan... there's no point to bypass the town. The existing highway is easily upgradable.
From the looks of it on GSV, it appears they are working on utility relocations along US-77 from Kingsville to Riviera in anticipation of construction starting soon.

Makes sense why utility vehicles were present on US 77. How long does it usually take for a stretch of freeway to be finished, 1-2 years?
You can see that they've just about finished moving the power lines away from the roadway and the dirt work you're seeing is for the relocation of a natural gas pipeline that runs along the highway. There might be some water and sewer mains and underground telecom lines that need to be moved as well, before construction starts.
2-d Interstates traveled:  4, 5, 8, 10, 15, 20, 24, 25, 27, 29, 35, 39, 40, 41, 43, 45, 49, 55, 57, 64, 65, 66, 69, 70, 71, 72, 74, 75, 76(E), 77, 78, 81, 83, 84(W), 85, 87(N), 89, 90, 91, 93, 94, 95

2-d Interstates Clinched:  12, 22, 30, 37, 44, 59, 80, 84(E), 86(E), 238, H1, H2, H3, H201

bwana39

#2349
A couple of comments. They have the ROW cleared north of Burke and are building overpasses south of Diboll (Same bypass)

While we wait on I-69, the preferred route from Nacogdoches is still SH-315 and US-259. Here is a story about SH-315.

https://www.ksla.com/2022/06/02/texas-highway-used-shortcut-proves-be-home-many-deadly-crashes/

The reason is clearcut. It is closer and the average time for the trip AT THE SPEED LIMIT is less.

Not sure unless they do a northern loop around Teneha that the freeway will make a difference. Some local discussion suggests that it may loop north of Garrison and Timpson , then take a Greenfield route to around Woods Community on southern Panola County.  From woods to Shreveport is one of the routes TxDOT has seemed to support.
Let's build what we need as economically as possible.



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