New York

[Roadgeek Adam]

NYSDOT Touring Route Log for 2017 out:

- NY 191 decommissioned as of March 18, 2015 (my 24th birthday)
- NY 456 decommissioned as of March 18, 2015
- NY 314 truncated to the spur between 87 and 9.
- NY 220's extension to the Veterans Home in Oxford is gone, now just to NY 12 in Oxford Village.
- NY 261's county-maintained northern terminus lopped off.
- NY 374's county-maintained western terminus lopped off.

https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/operating/oom/transportation-systems/repository/2017%20tour-bk.pdf

[froggie]

Can't tell you how many idiots around here insist on saying "Kos-ee-yoos-ko."  Heard it's that way in Mississippi, too.

I can confirm that this is how Mississippi pronounces theirs.

[Alps]

Anyone listening to today's (#1 of 6) State of the State?  Did Cuomo say "Koss-key-oss-ko"?  I was out of the room and thought I heard that.

That's one of the many "accepted" pronunciations. I have heard at least 5 and nobody can agree. We get around that in Albany by using another name for ours.

It's absolutely ridiculous.  There's only one correct way to pronouce Kosciuszko (the National Park Service has been on a small rant about this as well at the National Memorial in Philadelphia):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQaOSgf7uk4

Can't tell you how many idiots around here insist on saying "Kos-ee-yoos-ko."  Heard it's that way in Mississippi, too.  Dummies.

Can confirm above from Polish coworker.

[Pete from Boston]

Anyone listening to today's (#1 of 6) State of the State?  Did Cuomo say "Koss-key-oss-ko"?  I was out of the room and thought I heard that.

That's one of the many "accepted" pronunciations. I have heard at least 5 and nobody can agree. We get around that in Albany by using another name for ours.

I learned most of my NY geography as a little kid from Neil Bush in the WCBS chopper and even I know that's wrong.

[Roadgeek Adam]

I'm used to Koss-key-oss-ko because that's what I raised on from television news in NYC. 

[Alps]

I'm used to Koss-key-oss-ko because that's what I raised on from television news in NYC. 

That's odd. I always hear "kosh-ewe-sko" on the radio.

[cl94]

By far, Koss-key-oos-ko is the most common pronunciation I hear for both bridges. As far as Albany, that pronunciation is so ingrained in culture that you'll never change it. Never.

[briantroutman]

Anyone listening to today's (#1 of 6) State of the State?  Did Cuomo say "Koss-key-oss-ko"?  I was out of the room and thought I heard that.

That's one of the many "accepted" pronunciations. I have heard at least 5 and nobody can agree. We get around that in Albany by using another name for ours.

That's almost exactly the way Jackie Gleason pronounces it in The Honeymooners:
https://youtu.be/Fglkj32dP44?t=16m20s

[Duke87]

I'm used to Koss-key-oss-ko because that's what I raised on from television news in NYC. 

That's odd. I always hear "kosh-ewe-sko" on the radio.

The recorded anouncements on the J train pronounce it "kosh-ewe-sko" as well (in reference to Kosciuszko Street, not the bridge).

I say and also most commonly hear "Kos-kyoo-sko".

[Beeper1]

NYSDOT Touring Route Log for 2017 out:

- NY 191 decommissioned as of March 18, 2015 (my 24th birthday)
- NY 456 decommissioned as of March 18, 2015
- NY 314 truncated to the spur between 87 and 9.
- NY 220's extension to the Veterans Home in Oxford is gone, now just to NY 12 in Oxford Village.
- NY 261's county-maintained northern terminus lopped off.
- NY 374's county-maintained western terminus lopped off.

https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/operating/oom/transportation-systems/repository/2017%20tour-bk.pdf

Wow.  Quite the route number massacre in Clinton County.   I'm surprised the county, which like most of the north country isn't in great economic shape, agreed to take on these roads.  I know they don't total up to a lot of mileage, but as connectors to/from I-87 to other state roads, seemed to make sense as part of the state network.

[Buffaboy]

Anyone listening to today's (#1 of 6) State of the State?  Did Cuomo say "Koss-key-oss-ko"?  I was out of the room and thought I heard that.

That's one of the many "accepted" pronunciations. I have heard at least 5 and nobody can agree. We get around that in Albany by using another name for ours.

Is it Co-see-you-sco? Edit: it isn't. But I grew up in WNY, not the capital region. When it doubt sound it out.

Also, I noticed that Corning is actually signed at the I-590/I-390 junction which I found interesting because of how far away it's signed.

[cu2010]

Wow.  Quite the route number massacre in Clinton County.   I'm surprised the county, which like most of the north country isn't in great economic shape, agreed to take on these roads.  I know they don't total up to a lot of mileage, but as connectors to/from I-87 to other state roads, seemed to make sense as part of the state network.

Those roads have already been county-maintained for years. The only thing that changed is that they lost their state route designations.

[Pete from Boston]

I'm used to Koss-key-oss-ko because that's what I raised on from television news in NYC. 

That's odd. I always hear "kosh-ewe-sko" on the radio.

When I became aware if it (late 70s/early 80s) I learned "koss-key-oss-ko" from the WCBS radio traffic reports.

[empirestate]

NYSDOT Touring Route Log for 2017 out:

- NY 191 decommissioned as of March 18, 2015 (my 24th birthday)
- NY 456 decommissioned as of March 18, 2015
- NY 314 truncated to the spur between 87 and 9.
- NY 220's extension to the Veterans Home in Oxford is gone, now just to NY 12 in Oxford Village.
- NY 261's county-maintained northern terminus lopped off.
- NY 374's county-maintained western terminus lopped off.

https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/operating/oom/transportation-systems/repository/2017%20tour-bk.pdf

I noticed the 2012 version went missing from their site the other day. I guess now we know why!

[xcellntbuy]

By far, Koss-key-oos-ko is the most common pronunciation I hear for both bridges. As far as Albany, that pronunciation is so ingrained in culture that you'll never change it. Never.

For us older folk, the Interstate 87 bridges over the Mohawk River are still called the Crescent Bridge (singular).

[Rothman]

By far, Koss-key-oos-ko is the most common pronunciation I hear for both bridges. As far as Albany, that pronunciation is so ingrained in culture that you'll never change it. Never.

[cl94]

By far, Koss-key-oos-ko is the most common pronunciation I hear for both bridges. As far as Albany, that pronunciation is so ingrained in culture that you'll never change it. Never.

For us older folk, the Interstate 87 bridges over the Mohawk River are still called the Crescent Bridge (singular).

Officially, that's the US 9 bridge located at Crescent.

[kalvado]

Talking about last year speed limit cut on Washington ave. in Albany: A set of wrapped signs, looks like speed limit signs, sits along Washington ave. ext. for a while, I believe since November. Anyone knows what is going on? I wouldn't be surprised if there is something going on between city of A. and DOT...

and some predictable news: http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Albany-NYSDOT-campaign-seeks-to-reduce-10856037.php
Signs were still covered today in the morning. Why it took 2 months to uncover them still remains a question..

[cu2010]

NYSDOT Touring Route Log for 2017 out:

- NY 191 decommissioned as of March 18, 2015 (my 24th birthday)
- NY 456 decommissioned as of March 18, 2015
- NY 314 truncated to the spur between 87 and 9.
- NY 220's extension to the Veterans Home in Oxford is gone, now just to NY 12 in Oxford Village.
- NY 261's county-maintained northern terminus lopped off.
- NY 374's county-maintained western terminus lopped off.

https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/operating/oom/transportation-systems/repository/2017%20tour-bk.pdf

Also, NY430's eastern terminus has been moved slightly southwest. It now follows Washington Street in the city of Jamestown to 5th Avenue (the intersection of NY60 and eastbound NY394) as opposed to following Fluvanna Avenue.

Signage appears to confirm this. As a result, the route has been extended approximately half a mile.

[machias]

NYSDOT Touring Route Log for 2017 out:

- NY 191 decommissioned as of March 18, 2015 (my 24th birthday)
- NY 456 decommissioned as of March 18, 2015
- NY 314 truncated to the spur between 87 and 9.
- NY 220's extension to the Veterans Home in Oxford is gone, now just to NY 12 in Oxford Village.
- NY 261's county-maintained northern terminus lopped off.
- NY 374's county-maintained western terminus lopped off.

https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/operating/oom/transportation-systems/repository/2017%20tour-bk.pdf

Also, NY430's eastern terminus has been moved slightly southwest. It now follows Washington Street in the city of Jamestown to 5th Avenue (the intersection of NY60 and eastbound NY394) as opposed to following Fluvanna Avenue.

Signage appears to confirm this. As a result, the route has been extended approximately half a mile.

I noticed this when I was in the area in November. NY 430 now fully follows old NY 17's path to the intersection with old NY 17J.

When I lived in Jamestown in 87-88 and 90-91 I could never figure out why NY 430 didn't follow that route as it's signed today. It never made sense to follow Fluvanna to NY 60.  I'm happy that they had the routing make sense.

[Rothman]

Talking about last year speed limit cut on Washington ave. in Albany: A set of wrapped signs, looks like speed limit signs, sits along Washington ave. ext. for a while, I believe since November. Anyone knows what is going on? I wouldn't be surprised if there is something going on between city of A. and DOT...

and some predictable news: http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Albany-NYSDOT-campaign-seeks-to-reduce-10856037.php
Signs were still covered today in the morning. Why it took 2 months to uncover them still remains a question..

Gah.  I liked the 55 mph limit from Fuller to New Karner.

[Roadgeek Adam]

NYSDOT Touring Route Log for 2017 out:

- NY 191 decommissioned as of March 18, 2015 (my 24th birthday)
- NY 456 decommissioned as of March 18, 2015
- NY 314 truncated to the spur between 87 and 9.
- NY 220's extension to the Veterans Home in Oxford is gone, now just to NY 12 in Oxford Village.
- NY 261's county-maintained northern terminus lopped off.
- NY 374's county-maintained western terminus lopped off.

https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/operating/oom/transportation-systems/repository/2017%20tour-bk.pdf

Also, NY430's eastern terminus has been moved slightly southwest. It now follows Washington Street in the city of Jamestown to 5th Avenue (the intersection of NY60 and eastbound NY394) as opposed to following Fluvanna Avenue.

Signage appears to confirm this. As a result, the route has been extended approximately half a mile.

I was wondering when I was in Jamestown why I saw this:



Makes perfect sense now.

[vdeane]

One could argue it's redundant to have two north-south state routes through Jamestown.  Personally I would have kept NY 430 on Fluvanna and rerouted NY 60 off of Washington (eliminating the NY 394 overlap).

In other news, a recent court case could have consequences for road design in NY: http://nyc.streetsblog.org/2017/01/05/states-highest-court-holds-nyc-liable-for-injuries-on-streets-without-traffic-calming/

[Roadgeek Adam]

So apparently, checking it again, NY 8 has been truncated to the northern end of the concurrency with NY 10 instead of running to NY 17, lopping off 2.16 miles.

NY 102 has been truncated by 2.5 miles from NY 24 to William Street. It was county-maintained as CR 106 west of the junction, so it makes sense.

NY 204 east of I-390 lopped off.

[Duke87]

NY 8 has been truncated to the northern end of the concurrency with NY 10 instead of running to NY 17, lopping off 2.16 miles.

While that concurrency was topologically unnecessary this is an odd decision. 8 is the lower number, the longer route, and also the route that is logically through at the point where the two formerly diverged (staying on 10 is a right turn, 8 was straight). I would have kept 8 and truncated 10. Curious to know what the thinking was behind this.

This also creates a quirky situation where 8 ends at 10 and 10 ends at 8.

(8 is even the shorter route, by a full 22 miles, between the two 8/10 junctions!)