New York

[Rothman]

New York made a big mistake tearing down the old toll booth for the Bear Mountain Bridge:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3201378,-73.9890365,109m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en&entry=ttu
Observe this unlucky fellow trying to cross US 6 and 202 when the signs at the gantry tell everybody to keep moving.

Perhaps the better solution would've been to revive the old booth as a pedestrian bridge.

Isn't there a pedestrian tunnel over on the other side that links the zoo with the State Park?

Might need another one.

[seicer]

There is a path but I think this is the official crossing for the Appalachian Trail.

[SignBridge]

Traffic is required to yield right-of-way to pedestrians in a marked crosswalk. And much as I dislike HAWK Beacons, this might be a good spot to install one. Or if not that, maybe just an RRFB (Rectangular, rapid flashing beacon).

[vdeane]

It would probably also help if the crosswalk and the toll gantry weren't right on top of each other.

[Rothman]

Traffic is required to yield right-of-way to pedestrians in a marked crosswalk. And much as I dislike HAWK Beacons, this might be a good spot to install one. Or if not that, maybe just an RRFB (Rectangular, rapid flashing beacon).

Pelican or RRFB.  Never HAWK.

Actually, probably RRFB due to proximity to that traffic circle.

[roadman65]

Will New York City ever include the HAWK into its vocabulary 😂?

Considering that mono tube mast arms still haven't made an appearance as well as modern signal controllers with loops, I think the timed crosswalk traffic signals will always be the norm to control crosswalks.

[Rothman]

Will New York City ever include the HAWK into its vocabulary 😂?

Considering that mono tube mast arms still haven't made an appearance as well as modern signal controllers with loops, I think the timed crosswalk traffic signals will always be the norm to control crosswalks.

There's probably a HAWK somewhere in the Five Boroughs, wreaking havoc.

[seicer]

Does anyone know the story behind the short four-lane divided section of NY 17A, for the easternmost two-ish miles before its junction at NY 17? It seems to go back to two lanes at a completely unremarkable spot, rather than at a major intersection or destination. (I doubt the NY Renaissance Faire or the former ski area visible on the satellite view ever generated enough traffic to warrant this, and the four-lane stretch doesn't quite make it to those anyway.) It also just-barely misses making it the whole way to NY 17. While there's a bit of a climb WB here, it doesn't seem steep enough to warrant a climbing lane, and much steeper parts further west don't have one... and this would also fail to explain the second lane EB.
https://goo.gl/maps/eRijUaXVVoEdnkzeA

My recollection was that this was to serve some emerging suburban areas that never fully came to fruition. There were some very large developments that were planned back in the 1950s-1970s - thousands of residential units, corporate complexes, etc. and only some were ever built. There was a push to preserve what was left of the green space, leading to the creation of the Sterling Forest State Park and other preserves.

[roadman65]

Bigger question. Why is there a NJ style mast arm here?
https://goo.gl/maps/Dm95wbtCpB8ZEoEg6


Also does anyone know if NY 17 A is a N-S or E-W route? It seems to lack directional banners on shields.

Edit:
Found some on NY 210.
https://goo.gl/maps/DM6xSsoLg8C3ttEh7
Never mind.

[roadwaywiz95]

This weekend will feature a special "Meet Preview" *live* webinar that will profile the Buffalo, NY metro area in preparation for the meet that will be held there on July 29. This presentation will be hosted by yours truly and will feature contributions from folks across the AARoads Forum spectrum, many of whom will be in attendance for portions/all of the meet itself.

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[mariethefoxy]

Bigger question. Why is there a NJ style mast arm here?
https://goo.gl/maps/Dm95wbtCpB8ZEoEg6


Also does anyone know if NY 17 A is a N-S or E-W route? It seems to lack directional banners on shields.

Edit:
Found some on NY 210.
https://goo.gl/maps/DM6xSsoLg8C3ttEh7
Never mind.

That traffic light is quite old and doesn't work, even during the Renaissance Faire.

[SignBridge]

As per the MUTCD, if the signal is not in service, it must be bagged or otherwise made invisible to approaching traffic. Dark signals are not permitted except on HAWK style signals.

[Alps]

Bigger question. Why is there a NJ style mast arm here?
https://goo.gl/maps/Dm95wbtCpB8ZEoEg6


Also does anyone know if NY 17 A is a N-S or E-W route? It seems to lack directional banners on shields.

Edit:
Found some on NY 210.
https://goo.gl/maps/DM6xSsoLg8C3ttEh7
Never mind.

That traffic light is quite old and doesn't work, even during the Renaissance Faire.

I remember when it did!

[Alps]

As per the MUTCD, if the signal is not in service, it must be bagged or otherwise made invisible to approaching traffic. Dark signals are not permitted except on HAWK style signals.

reason #3338 why HAWK signals are stupid and should be abolished

[SignBridge]

As per the MUTCD, if the signal is not in service, it must be bagged or otherwise made invisible to approaching traffic. Dark signals are not permitted except on HAWK style signals.

reason #3338 why HAWK signals are stupid and should be abolished

I agree with you 100% Alps. Consistency should be the rule in this game and it usually is. That's what the Manual is all about. Ya' Gotta wonder what the heck they were thinkin' at FHWA when they came up with the HAWK concept.

[kalvado]

As per the MUTCD, if the signal is not in service, it must be bagged or otherwise made invisible to approaching traffic. Dark signals are not permitted except on HAWK style signals.

reason #3338 why HAWK signals are stupid and should be abolished

I agree with you 100% Alps. Consistency should be the rule in this game and it usually is. That's what the Manual is all about. Ya' Gotta wonder what the heck they were thinkin' at FHWA when they came up with the HAWK concept.

Thinking? You expect something wrong from an organization with the name starting with F

[Roadgeek Adam]

I like the HAWK signals in New York I've seen so far.

*ducks*

[baugh17]

I like the HAWK signals in New York I've seen so far.

*ducks*

Are there any HAWKs outside of the Buffalo area?

[SignBridge]

I haven't seen any on Long Island yet. Are the ones in the Buffalo area erected by NYS DOT or a local traffic agency?

[Rothman]

Don't know if there are any in Central NY, but there certainly won't be any more than there are.

[Roadgeek Adam]

I haven't seen any on Long Island yet. Are the ones in the Buffalo area erected by NYS DOT or a local traffic agency?

All but one are on DOT-operated roads (NY 324, NY 5 have them; Kenmore is CR 307). Unless R5 installed more.

[baugh17]

All but one are on DOT-operated roads (NY 324, NY 5 have them; Kenmore is CR 307). Unless R5 installed more.

Is/are the one(s) on NY 5 new installs within the last year?  I drove it from Batavia to downtown Buffalo about this time last year and didn't recall seeing any.

[Roadgeek Adam]

No, the NY 5 ones have been there since pre-pandemic. Built in 2018.

[mariethefoxy]

I haven't seen any on Long Island yet. Are the ones in the Buffalo area erected by NYS DOT or a local traffic agency?

There is one in Old Bethpage on Old Bethpage Rd by Trail View State Park (the former Bethpage parkway ROW)

[SignBridge]

I haven't seen any on Long Island yet. Are the ones in the Buffalo area erected by NYS DOT or a local traffic agency?

There is one in Old Bethpage on Old Bethpage Rd by Trail View State Park (the former Bethpage parkway ROW)

No kidding?! Thanks; I will check it out.