Erroneous road signs

[noelbotevera]

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8010761,-77.8794034,3a,15y,150.17h,99.07t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sif5TQAbCnw6oN5LxZKVE9g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

This sign says Left Turn at Park Avenue, but it shouldn't be this far from the road itself. Also, the left arrow is misleading, as that leads into a wooden fence and not a road.

[tdindy88]

So I was wrong with my previous statement, it's a little bit easier to find erroneous signs in Indiana after all, on the same day no less. This is along US 27/SR 67 north of Portland. I suppose its karma for Richmond screwing up that 35/38 sign previously.

[JoePCool14]

Seems like an easy fix, don't even need green-out. Just add a quick line of white-out and it'll be good to go. 

[theFXexpert]

No.

[1995hoo]

Passed this today walking from the Smithsonian Metro stop to my wife's office at the Watergate. There are two errors here, three if you feel "any time" should be two words. (Hint: I was in Washington, DC.)

[Zeffy]

Is one of the errors DC isn't technically a state, but a federal district created out of lands donated by Maryland and Virginia? They could've just used D.C. LAW instead there.

[1995hoo]

Is one of the errors DC isn't technically a state, but a federal district created out of lands donated by Maryland and Virginia? They could've just used D.C. LAW instead there.

Correct, that is the more obvious of the errors. In fairness, I believe the sign was probably posted by the National Park Service given its location (just off Lincoln Memorial Circle on the road that connects down to Rock Creek Parkway), so they probably just slavishly followed the MUTCD. I doubt this sign reflects the District trying to call itself something it's not.

[noelbotevera]

I believe that they write out "PEDESTRIANS" and not use a symbol.

[Mapmikey]

My guess at the second error is that DC requires stopping for peds instead of yielding?

Mike

[paulthemapguy]

Another US/State shield mix-up.  This one is US12 westbound just off of I-5 in Washington.  Fresh off my trip to the NW

[jakeroot]

I believe that they write out "PEDESTRIANS" and not use a symbol.

All the ones I'm familiar with have symbols. Either way, that's not really an error.



What direction is the sign facing, 1995hoo? It looks to be facing the road perpendicularly.

[Eth]

Passed this today walking from the Smithsonian Metro stop to my wife's office at the Watergate. There are two errors here, three if you feel "any time" should be two words. (Hint: I was in Washington, DC.)

[sign]

Yielding to pedestrians in a no stopping/standing zone seems like it could be a bit of a challenge.

[CNGL-Leudimin]

Also, he was in the District of Columbia, so a State Law would have no effect.

[1995hoo]

My guess at the second error is that DC requires stopping for peds instead of yielding?

Mike

This is correct. It should say DC law and Stop for Peds.

DC signs normally use the stop sign graphic and a pedestrian symbol, but I've seen some DC signs that incorrectly use the word "TO" between those two icons, which is obviously a grammatical error/absurdity.

[roadfro]

Is one of the errors DC isn't technically a state, but a federal district created out of lands donated by Maryland and Virginia? They could've just used D.C. LAW instead there.

Correct, that is the more obvious of the errors. In fairness, I believe the sign was probably posted by the National Park Service given its location (just off Lincoln Memorial Circle on the road that connects down to Rock Creek Parkway), so they probably just slavishly followed the MUTCD. I doubt this sign reflects the District trying to call itself something it's not.

Another not-so-obvious error has nothing to do with the sign design, but its posting location. These types of signs are only supposed to be used in the roadway at the crosswalk (on a center line or lane line, or on a small median in the roadway), and are not to be post mounted on the left or right side of the roadway.

[1995hoo]

Is one of the errors DC isn't technically a state, but a federal district created out of lands donated by Maryland and Virginia? They could've just used D.C. LAW instead there.

Correct, that is the more obvious of the errors. In fairness, I believe the sign was probably posted by the National Park Service given its location (just off Lincoln Memorial Circle on the road that connects down to Rock Creek Parkway), so they probably just slavishly followed the MUTCD. I doubt this sign reflects the District trying to call itself something it's not.

Another not-so-obvious error has nothing to do with the sign design, but its posting location. These types of signs are only supposed to be used in the roadway at the crosswalk (on a center line or lane line, or on a small median in the roadway), and are not to be post mounted on the left or right side of the roadway.

Heh. DC routinely violates that.

[jakeroot]

Another not-so-obvious error has nothing to do with the sign design, but its posting location. These types of signs are only supposed to be used in the roadway at the crosswalk (on a center line or lane line, or on a small median in the roadway), and are not to be post mounted on the left or right side of the roadway.

For mid-block crossings, absolutely. But what about traffic turning right at a traffic light? Seattle posts these signs a lot when the turns aren't fully protected, many strung by wire above the intersection near the right-most signal head.

Heh. DC routinely violates that.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/Road%20sign%20pictures/DF953EB8-D966-43B8-A77D-F344F3CCC541_zpsv4xkng9d.jpg

"STOP to Pedestrians/Bikes"?

[roadfro]

Is one of the errors DC isn't technically a state, but a federal district created out of lands donated by Maryland and Virginia? They could've just used D.C. LAW instead there.

Correct, that is the more obvious of the errors. In fairness, I believe the sign was probably posted by the National Park Service given its location (just off Lincoln Memorial Circle on the road that connects down to Rock Creek Parkway), so they probably just slavishly followed the MUTCD. I doubt this sign reflects the District trying to call itself something it's not.

Another not-so-obvious error has nothing to do with the sign design, but its posting location. These types of signs are only supposed to be used in the roadway at the crosswalk (on a center line or lane line, or on a small median in the roadway), and are not to be post mounted on the left or right side of the roadway.

Heh. DC routinely violates that.

I was referring to the previously posted sign, vertical "State law yield to pedestrians within crosswalk". That is specifically named as 'In-Street Pedestrian Crossing sign" in the MUTCD, and is typically installed in such a way that it can be knocked down by a vehicle and spring back up.

The "Turning Vehicles Yield to Peds" sign you posted is intended to be post-mounted.

Another not-so-obvious error has nothing to do with the sign design, but its posting location. These types of signs are only supposed to be used in the roadway at the crosswalk (on a center line or lane line, or on a small median in the roadway), and are not to be post mounted on the left or right side of the roadway.

For mid-block crossings, absolutely. But what about traffic turning right at a traffic light? Seattle posts these signs a lot when the turns aren't fully protected, many strung by wire above the intersection near the right-most signal head.

The MUTCD specifically prohibits use of the in-street/overhead pedestrian crossing signs at signalized intersections.

[UCFKnights]

My guess at the second error is that DC requires stopping for peds instead of yielding?

Mike

This is correct. It should say DC law and Stop for Peds.

DC signs normally use the stop sign graphic and a pedestrian symbol, but I've seen some DC signs that incorrectly use the word "TO" between those two icons, which is obviously a grammatical error/absurdity.

Why do those signs get the words "STATE LAW" but no other sign?

[Mapmikey]

Why do those signs get the words "STATE LAW" but no other sign?

North Carolina has signs with STATE LAW - https://goo.gl/maps/b2YthLGopmL2

Texas has the STATE LAW to obey warning signs - https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=9637.0

Most states post their version of the 'move over for emergency vehicles' sign with the words state law in it...

Mike

[jakeroot]

The MUTCD specifically prohibits use of the in-street/overhead pedestrian crossing signs at signalized intersections.

Seattle has been using pedestrian crossing signs at signalized intersections for quite some time. They probably didn't get the memo:

[jbnv]

The MUTCD specifically prohibits use of the in-street/overhead pedestrian crossing signs at signalized intersections.

Seattle has been using pedestrian crossing signs at signalized intersections for quite some time. They probably didn't get the memo: <snip>

Not that it would change the MUTCD, but perhaps it would make more sense to use a red ball rather than the STOP octogon.

[spooky]

The MUTCD specifically prohibits use of the in-street/overhead pedestrian crossing signs at signalized intersections.

Seattle has been using pedestrian crossing signs at signalized intersections for quite some time. They probably didn't get the memo: <snip>

Not that it would change the MUTCD, but perhaps it would make more sense to use a red ball rather than the STOP octogon.

I disagree. Red and green balls used on signage at signals tell you what you can or can't do during that indication. A red ball telling you what to do during a green indication would be confusing.

[Ian]

Me, Steve, and Lou came across this one yesterday on I-78 eastbound in Allentown; a PA Turnpike 476 shield. There were several of them going east and one going west (approaching exit 53).

[SignGeek101]

Me, Steve, and Lou came across this one yesterday on I-78 eastbound in Allentown; a PA Turnpike 476 shield. There were several of them going east and one going west (approaching exit 53).

'New Jersey' is a pretty vague and poor control city. Maybe Bethlehem would be better? Of course, that sign is a copy of the button copy sign that was there just a months prior.