NYC Congestion Pricing

[Duke87]

While there is much handwringing, too many people seem to have missed that this 11th hour "suspension" is a pure political stunt aimed at buying swing votes in Long Island and the Hudson Valley in November.

Congestion pricing will still happen, we'll find out when the new start date is after the election.

[Plutonic Panda]

While there is much handwringing, too many people seem to have missed that this 11th hour "suspension" is a pure political stunt aimed at buying swing votes in Long Island and the Hudson Valley in November.

Congestion pricing will still happen, we'll find out when the new start date is after the election.

And if that happens and the people are still too stupid to see what's really happening then they get what they deserve.

[Rothman]

While there is much handwringing, too many people seem to have missed that this 11th hour "suspension" is a pure political stunt aimed at buying swing votes in Long Island and the Hudson Valley in November.

Congestion pricing will still happen, we'll find out when the new start date is after the election.

Like you missed how this was stated earlier in this thread? ;D

[Duke87]

While there is much handwringing, too many people seem to have missed that this 11th hour "suspension" is a pure political stunt aimed at buying swing votes in Long Island and the Hudson Valley in November.

Congestion pricing will still happen, we'll find out when the new start date is after the election.

Like you missed how this was stated earlier in this thread? ;D

Who stated this? I'm not finding it in any post made since the one on the previous page announcing the suspension.

[Rothman]

While there is much handwringing, too many people seem to have missed that this 11th hour "suspension" is a pure political stunt aimed at buying swing votes in Long Island and the Hudson Valley in November.

Congestion pricing will still happen, we'll find out when the new start date is after the election.

Like you missed how this was stated earlier in this thread? ;D

Who stated this? I'm not finding it in any post made since the one on the previous page announcing the suspension.

Well, $%&*.  *wipes egg off of face and cries in the corner*

[ARMOURERERIC]

A real congress would tell NYC that they have 90 days to implement or return the $$.

[roadman65]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/rm436eL88otG9QTGA
I see they get you right at the 31st Street entrance to the Lincoln Tunnel.

[74/171FAN]

While there is much handwringing, too many people seem to have missed that this 11th hour "suspension" is a pure political stunt aimed at buying swing votes in Long Island and the Hudson Valley in November.

Congestion pricing will still happen, we'll find out when the new start date is after the election.

Yep, and yep. 

[SignBridge]

I've thought for a long time that the answer to this dilemma would be to implement the plan with a reduced toll. I figured they'd cut it in half, say $7.50 or $8.00. If it's never implemented then the big money spent for all those gantrys and cameras goes to waste.....

I'm just surprised LOL that she didn't wait until a little more time passed after the election so it wouldn't be so obvious.

[cl94]

Well, the problem now is starting congestion pricing before the incumbent leaves office. If they wait too long, it won't happen at all because the next guy's appointees are never giving the final approvals. If it's up and running before mid-January, the feds will have a much harder time stopping it.

But yes, all of the activists missed that the entire point of delaying implementation was to buy swing votes, and it worked. The incumbent party in Albany gained seats Downstate instead of losing in a bloodbath that was predicted by spring polls. The proposed $9 toll is the lowest amount studied by the existing EIS, so it is the lowest they can go without restarting the environmental review process. A new EIS is not happening in 2 months.

[Plutonic Panda]

I'll beat the dead horse and say hopefully this does not ever see the light of day. It is a horrible idea.

[7/8]

Well, the problem now is starting congestion pricing before the incumbent leaves office. If they wait too long, it won't happen at all because the next guy's appointees are never giving the final approvals. If it's up and running before mid-January, the feds will have a much harder time stopping it.

But yes, all of the activists missed that the entire point of delaying implementation was to buy swing votes, and it worked. The incumbent party in Albany gained seats Downstate instead of losing in a bloodbath that was predicted by spring polls. The proposed $9 toll is the lowest amount studied by the existing EIS, so it is the lowest they can go without restarting the environmental review process. A new EIS is not happening in 2 months.

It's sad that delaying this and lowering the charge may be a successful political strategy, but something is better than nothing. Is there an estimate of how much revenue has been lost due to the delay?

[The Ghostbuster]

Gov. Hochul moving fast to push through $9 Manhattan congestion pricing plan before Trump can kill it: https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/11/13/gov-hochul-needs-to-act-fast-to-put-modified-manhattan-congestion-pricing-plan-in-place-before-trump-inauguration/. If you don't have an account to the New York Daily News, this site may be an alternative: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gov-hochul-moving-fast-to-push-through-9-manhattan-congestion-pricing-plan-before-trump-can-kill-it/ar-AA1u23fW?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=DCTS&cvid=c00920c1ee8947aba4cf310cbaf40923&ei=82.

[Rothman]

Gov. Hochul moving fast to push through $9 Manhattan congestion pricing plan before Trump can kill it: https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/11/13/gov-hochul-needs-to-act-fast-to-put-modified-manhattan-congestion-pricing-plan-in-place-before-trump-inauguration/. If you don't have an account to the New York Daily News, this site may be an alternative: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gov-hochul-moving-fast-to-push-through-9-manhattan-congestion-pricing-plan-before-trump-can-kill-it/ar-AA1u23fW?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=DCTS&cvid=c00920c1ee8947aba4cf310cbaf40923&ei=82.

Did you not read the posts above?

[Great Lakes Roads]

https://gothamist.com/news/nycs-congestion-pricing-tolls-to-launch-jan-5-what-you-need-to-know

Start date for the congestion pricing is January 5th...

E-Z Pass rate is $9 during the peak period (5am-9pm on weekdays and 9am-9pm on weekends) and $2.25 during the overnight period.

No E-Z Pass rate is $13.50 during the peak period and $3.30 during the overnight period.

[The Ghostbuster]

So, it is really going to happen. Let's see if it is successful, and how long it lasts.

[Rothman]

Frequent visitors like me will just suck it up and pay it.  I mean, bridge tolls are astronomical; I don't think they deter much traffic.  This will be less than those.

[1995hoo]

There's still a lawsuit pending in federal court in New Jersey. Don't know what the status of that case is.

[bmitchelf]

Frequent visitors like me will just suck it up and pay it.  I mean, bridge tolls are astronomical; I don't think they deter much traffic.  This will be less than those.

Well now you're going to have to pay both! (with a slight discount on the congestion toll if you're entering on a tolled bridge/tunnel in the CBD area)

[JayhawkCO]

I don't understand why people would want to drive into Manhattan in the first place. Public transportation is so much easier. In addition to the bridge/tunnel tolls, then parking is a nightmare too.

[Max Rockatansky]

I don't understand why people would want to drive into Manhattan in the first place. Public transportation is so much easier. In addition to the bridge/tunnel tolls, then parking is a nightmare too.

Probably have a similar stance on life akin to K12's anti-walking beliefs.

[JayhawkCO]

I don't understand why people would want to drive into Manhattan in the first place. Public transportation is so much easier. In addition to the bridge/tunnel tolls, then parking is a nightmare too.

Probably have a similar stance on life akin to K12's anti-walking beliefs.

One way or another, you're going to pay for that mentality I suppose.

[jeffandnicole]

I don't understand why people would want to drive into Manhattan in the first place. Public transportation is so much easier. In addition to the bridge/tunnel tolls, then parking is a nightmare too.

Not really. If you can handle traffic lights, you can drive in NYC. If you can parallel park, you can park in NYC. Rush hour traffic on the highway is more of a pain.

[JayhawkCO]

I don't understand why people would want to drive into Manhattan in the first place. Public transportation is so much easier. In addition to the bridge/tunnel tolls, then parking is a nightmare too.

Not really. If you can handle traffic lights, you can drive in NYC. If you can parallel park, you can park in NYC. Rush hour traffic on the highway is more of a pain.

I can parallel park, but the few times I've been in Manhattan, I haven't seen a lot of spots to do so that are open. Maybe my memory is bad.

[kalvado]

I don't understand why people would want to drive into Manhattan in the first place. Public transportation is so much easier. In addition to the bridge/tunnel tolls, then parking is a nightmare too.

Any event ending past midnight. Once upon a time I had to spend time between 12.30 AM and first train at 5.45 AM somehow. Hotel was beyond my means back then. Arrived to a 10 AM meeting having to hold my eyelids open....