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Re: I-49 in Arkansas
« Reply #2850 on: March 31, 2021, 02:09:15 PM »

It’ll probably be posted at 70 mph in Missouri. As for Arkansas, 70 or 75 mph, depends what they go for north of Bentonville.

70mph in Arkansas.
https://www.4029tv.com/article/missouri-portion-of-bella-vista-bypass-on-schedule/35906021

@ 1:05, you can clearly see an already posted 70mph sign.
That makes sense, the area could probably be 75 mph, but considering it's not much of a distance between the urban segment in Bentonville and Missouri, where the speed limit is capped at 70 mph, they probably did not want a variability in speed limit (70 mph -> 75 mph -> 70 mph) and decided to keep it uniform throughout. If Missouri ever goes to 75 mph, I could see Arkansas I-49 north of US-71 being increased to 75 mph as well.

That's what I figure as well.  I can't help but think this northern portion that Arkansas is doing right now will have to be redone in 12-15 years as it appears as though it's asphalt rather than concrete like the lanes that were done prior to now.  I'm also wondering how much of the northbound lanes they're working on now will actually be surfaced in concrete to match the current Super-2 southbound lanes.

Since they have striped and signed the lanes north of the Rocky Dell Hollow exit where the current Super-2 portion of Future I-49 ends, asphalt is going to be the surface of the newly constructed portions, even though it's concrete on the southbound carriageway that serves the current AR-549.  Going to be resurfacing all this in 10 years, so not jazzed about that, but at least it'll carry the I-49 traffic around Bella Vista.

Took these pictures a couple of days ago to show the latest progress on the northern end of Arkansas' portion.

Rocky Dell Hollow exit northbound
Rocky Dell Hollow exit southbound
« Last Edit: April 15, 2021, 05:31:28 PM by MikieTimT »
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Re: I-49 in Arkansas
« Reply #2851 on: April 01, 2021, 11:22:21 AM »

Google Maps has been updated to show the new northbound lanes along AR 549/future Interstate 49. That is a welcome sign. Still no updates on the Missouri side of the Bella Vista Bypass.
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Re: I-49 in Arkansas
« Reply #2852 on: April 01, 2021, 01:55:02 PM »

Took these pictures a couple of days ago to show the latest progress on the northern end of Arkansas' portion.

Rocky Dell Hollow exit northbound
Rocky Dell Hollow exit southbound

I’m amazed at how that view has changed between 2018 and now:




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Re: I-49 in Arkansas
« Reply #2853 on: April 01, 2021, 04:56:59 PM »

Are they going to re-number the exits along I-49 between I-40 and Bella Vista when the bypass opens?
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Re: I-49 in Arkansas
« Reply #2854 on: April 01, 2021, 08:09:17 PM »

Are they going to re-number the exits along I-49 between I-40 and Bella Vista when the bypass opens?

I would assume so, since all the exits on AR-549 currently use the new mileage and don't continue the old mileage.

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Re: I-49 in Arkansas
« Reply #2855 on: April 01, 2021, 08:55:27 PM »

Are they going to re-number the exits along I-49 between I-40 and Bella Vista when the bypass opens?

I would assume so, since all the exits on AR-549 currently use the new mileage and don't continue the old mileage.

And then I would presume the focus shifts to getting the Texarkana to Fort Smith section done after they open the Bella Vista Bypass. Well, assuming it takes 40 years to complete the stretch between Texarkana and Fort Smith, I might still be alive--but well into my 80s--when it's finished. unfortunately, in its current form, Biden's infrastructure plan doesn't bear a lot of good news for big road projects like finishing I-49 and I-69.
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Re: I-49 in Arkansas
« Reply #2856 on: April 01, 2021, 09:34:19 PM »

Are they going to re-number the exits along I-49 between I-40 and Bella Vista when the bypass opens?

I would assume so, since all the exits on AR-549 currently use the new mileage and don't continue the old mileage.

And then I would presume the focus shifts to getting the Texarkana to Fort Smith section done after they open the Bella Vista Bypass. Well, assuming it takes 40 years to complete the stretch between Texarkana and Fort Smith, I might still be alive--but well into my 80s--when it's finished. unfortunately, in its current form, Biden's infrastructure plan doesn't bear a lot of good news for big road projects like finishing I-49 and I-69.

Doubtful (IMO). There are plans for extending  AR 612 (the 412 Bypass) and XNA south access road.  NW Arkansas and Central Arkansas get the lion's share of highway money,
 
There's focus on US 67/I-57 in Central Arkansas plus  talk of a western bypass near Little Rock.
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« Reply #2857 on: April 01, 2021, 11:21:37 PM »

A western bypass near Little Rock??? Tease Me? And why is that necessary? 640 can handle enough traffic as it stands now, IMO. Then again I'm curious to see if there has been growth there in population?
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« Reply #2858 on: April 02, 2021, 08:41:35 AM »

A western bypass near Little Rock??? Tease Me? And why is that necessary? 640 can handle enough traffic as it stands now, IMO. Then again I'm curious to see if there has been growth there in population?

They've been fighting over the western bypass of Little Rock (extension of I/AR-440 to meet I-40/I-430 west of Little Rock) for as long as I can remember. Ten years ago I was stationed at Little Rock AFB, and the newspapers then had articles detailing that fight. The Army has long opposed the I-440 concept as it would cut through Camp Roberts.

I kinda forgot completing US-67/Future I-57 to Missouri, but I think you're right in that is closer to getting done than the unbuilt sections of I-49 or I-69. Once the last substandard section through Jacksonville is rebuilt and widened, then they'll focus on finishing the road between Walnut Ridge and Missouri.
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Re: I-49 in Arkansas
« Reply #2859 on: April 02, 2021, 03:17:28 PM »

A western bypass near Little Rock??? Tease Me? And why is that necessary? 640 can handle enough traffic as it stands now, IMO. Then again I'm curious to see if there has been growth there in population?

They've been fighting over the western bypass of Little Rock (extension of I/AR-440 to meet I-40/I-430 west of Little Rock) for as long as I can remember. Ten years ago I was stationed at Little Rock AFB, and the newspapers then had articles detailing that fight. The Army has long opposed the I-440 concept as it would cut through Camp Roberts.

I kinda forgot completing US-67/Future I-57 to Missouri, but I think you're right in that is closer to getting done than the unbuilt sections of I-49 or I-69. Once the last substandard section through Jacksonville is rebuilt and widened, then they'll focus on finishing the road between Walnut Ridge and Missouri.

Camp Roberts? Lol.
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Re: I-49 in Arkansas
« Reply #2860 on: April 02, 2021, 03:23:08 PM »

A western bypass near Little Rock??? Tease Me? And why is that necessary? 640 can handle enough traffic as it stands now, IMO. Then again I'm curious to see if there has been growth there in population?

They've been fighting over the western bypass of Little Rock (extension of I/AR-440 to meet I-40/I-430 west of Little Rock) for as long as I can remember. Ten years ago I was stationed at Little Rock AFB, and the newspapers then had articles detailing that fight. The Army has long opposed the I-440 concept as it would cut through Camp Roberts.

I kinda forgot completing US-67/Future I-57 to Missouri, but I think you're right in that is closer to getting done than the unbuilt sections of I-49 or I-69. Once the last substandard section through Jacksonville is rebuilt and widened, then they'll focus on finishing the road between Walnut Ridge and Missouri.

Camp Roberts? Lol.

My bad, should be Camp Robinson. Camp Roberts is in California. Do'oh!
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Re: I-49 in Arkansas
« Reply #2861 on: April 02, 2021, 11:13:51 PM »

Are they going to re-number the exits along I-49 between I-40 and Bella Vista when the bypass opens?

I would assume so, since all the exits on AR-549 currently use the new mileage and don't continue the old mileage.

And then I would presume the focus shifts to getting the Texarkana to Fort Smith section done after they open the Bella Vista Bypass. Well, assuming it takes 40 years to complete the stretch between Texarkana and Fort Smith, I might still be alive--but well into my 80s--when it's finished. unfortunately, in its current form, Biden's infrastructure plan doesn't bear a lot of good news for big road projects like finishing I-49 and I-69.

Doubtful (IMO). There are plans for extending  AR 612 (the 412 Bypass) and XNA south access road.  NW Arkansas and Central Arkansas get the lion's share of highway money,
 
There's focus on US 67/I-57 in Central Arkansas plus  talk of a western bypass near Little Rock.
You mean like a big loop between Conway and Benton? I might be for that, but the hilly terrain west of Little Rock would make it tough.
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Re: I-49 in Arkansas
« Reply #2862 on: April 02, 2021, 11:36:05 PM »

Are they going to re-number the exits along I-49 between I-40 and Bella Vista when the bypass opens?

I would assume so, since all the exits on AR-549 currently use the new mileage and don't continue the old mileage.

549 north of Bella Vista AND 549 south of Barling use I-49 mileage as measured from south Arkansas. .

ARDOT just put up new exit signs a couple years ago from Fayetteville to Bentonville/ Bella Vista, but the signs near the 549/71 junction have been pasted over /greened out as traffic shifts.

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Re: I-49 in Arkansas
« Reply #2863 on: April 03, 2021, 04:18:42 AM »

Are they going to re-number the exits along I-49 between I-40 and Bella Vista when the bypass opens?

I would assume so, since all the exits on AR-549 currently use the new mileage and don't continue the old mileage.

And then I would presume the focus shifts to getting the Texarkana to Fort Smith section done after they open the Bella Vista Bypass. Well, assuming it takes 40 years to complete the stretch between Texarkana and Fort Smith, I might still be alive--but well into my 80s--when it's finished. unfortunately, in its current form, Biden's infrastructure plan doesn't bear a lot of good news for big road projects like finishing I-49 and I-69.

Doubtful (IMO). There are plans for extending  AR 612 (the 412 Bypass) and XNA south access road.  NW Arkansas and Central Arkansas get the lion's share of highway money,
 
There's focus on US 67/I-57 in Central Arkansas plus  talk of a western bypass near Little Rock.
You mean like a big loop between Conway and Benton? I might be for that, but the hilly terrain west of Little Rock would make it tough.

IIRC there were plans to connect the northern end of I-430 at I-40 with the northern end of AR 440 at US 67/167 (future I-57) with a northern loop; might this be the "bypass" being discussed?  Along with the stretch of I-30 between I-430 and I-440/530, that would constitute an effective full loop around greater LR.
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Re: I-49 in Arkansas
« Reply #2864 on: April 04, 2021, 01:36:56 AM »

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Earmarks would help get I-49 complete

SPRINGDALE, Arkansas — Congress needs earmarked federal spending to complete projects like Interstate 49, Rep. Steve Womack told the Kiwanis Club here on Thursday.

"If we're going to complete I-49 in our lifetimes, we need a new bridge over the Arkansas River and about 12 miles of new interstate near it," Womack, R-Ark., told the gathering of about 50 people in First United Methodist Church.

Such a project will get done much faster if individual members of Congress are able to set some of the specific priorities in spending, he said. He and other members of Congress should be allowed to earmark those projects in budget bills, within limits, Womack said.

https://www.texarkanagazette.com/news/arkansas/story/2021/apr/04/earmarks-would-help-get-i-49-complete/865988/

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Re: I-49 in Arkansas
« Reply #2865 on: April 05, 2021, 09:06:11 AM »

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SPRINGDALE, Arkansas — Congress needs earmarked federal spending to complete projects like Interstate 49, Rep. Steve Womack told the Kiwanis Club here on Thursday.

"If we're going to complete I-49 in our lifetimes, we need a new bridge over the Arkansas River and about 12 miles of new interstate near it," Womack, R-Ark., told the gathering of about 50 people in First United Methodist Church.

Such a project will get done much faster if individual members of Congress are able to set some of the specific priorities in spending, he said. He and other members of Congress should be allowed to earmark those projects in budget bills, within limits, Womack said.

https://www.texarkanagazette.com/news/arkansas/story/2021/apr/04/earmarks-would-help-get-i-49-complete/865988/


Don't count on it.  Only 5% of the proposed multi-trillion "infrastructure" bill in Congress is dedicated to roads.  Most of it is for Amtrak, solar, alternative energies and social programs.
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Re: I-49 in Arkansas
« Reply #2866 on: April 05, 2021, 10:27:04 AM »

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SPRINGDALE, Arkansas — Congress needs earmarked federal spending to complete projects like Interstate 49, Rep. Steve Womack told the Kiwanis Club here on Thursday.

"If we're going to complete I-49 in our lifetimes, we need a new bridge over the Arkansas River and about 12 miles of new interstate near it," Womack, R-Ark., told the gathering of about 50 people in First United Methodist Church.

Such a project will get done much faster if individual members of Congress are able to set some of the specific priorities in spending, he said. He and other members of Congress should be allowed to earmark those projects in budget bills, within limits, Womack said.

https://www.texarkanagazette.com/news/arkansas/story/2021/apr/04/earmarks-would-help-get-i-49-complete/865988/


Don't count on it.  Only 5% of the proposed multi-trillion "infrastructure" bill in Congress is dedicated to roads.  Most of it is for Amtrak, solar, alternative energies and social programs.

which honestly doesn't bother me too much. it would be nice to have better rail!
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Re: I-49 in Arkansas
« Reply #2867 on: April 05, 2021, 10:34:57 AM »

Which will likely end up being underutilized infrastructure, and the highways will still be congested with little improvements planned or poor connectivity in the sense of I-49.
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« Reply #2868 on: April 05, 2021, 12:48:39 PM »

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SPRINGDALE, Arkansas — Congress needs earmarked federal spending to complete projects like Interstate 49, Rep. Steve Womack told the Kiwanis Club here on Thursday.

"If we're going to complete I-49 in our lifetimes, we need a new bridge over the Arkansas River and about 12 miles of new interstate near it," Womack, R-Ark., told the gathering of about 50 people in First United Methodist Church.

Such a project will get done much faster if individual members of Congress are able to set some of the specific priorities in spending, he said. He and other members of Congress should be allowed to earmark those projects in budget bills, within limits, Womack said.

https://www.texarkanagazette.com/news/arkansas/story/2021/apr/04/earmarks-would-help-get-i-49-complete/865988/


Don't count on it.  Only 5% of the proposed multi-trillion "infrastructure" bill in Congress is dedicated to roads.  Most of it is for Amtrak, solar, alternative energies and social programs.

which honestly doesn't bother me too much. it would be nice to have better rail!

Rail... Good rail transit is a good thing. Freight rail has become profitable through shedding all but the most lucrative types of cargo. For passenger rail to be profitable (sustainable) you have to create volume. I just do not see the volumes coming to pass outside population dense areas (major cities) . If the government were to incentivize a transition from truck cartage back to cargo rail, it might do more to help the highway problems than either intensive construction or ridding us of cars.
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Re: I-49 in Arkansas
« Reply #2869 on: April 05, 2021, 03:51:16 PM »

For passenger rail to be profitable (sustainable) you have to create volume. I just do not see the volumes coming to pass outside population dense areas (major cities).

Cause damn, ArDOT is raking in the big bucks from all of that highway system profit they're making, right?
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« Reply #2870 on: April 05, 2021, 04:04:09 PM »

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SPRINGDALE, Arkansas — Congress needs earmarked federal spending to complete projects like Interstate 49, Rep. Steve Womack told the Kiwanis Club here on Thursday.

"If we're going to complete I-49 in our lifetimes, we need a new bridge over the Arkansas River and about 12 miles of new interstate near it," Womack, R-Ark., told the gathering of about 50 people in First United Methodist Church.

Such a project will get done much faster if individual members of Congress are able to set some of the specific priorities in spending, he said. He and other members of Congress should be allowed to earmark those projects in budget bills, within limits, Womack said.

https://www.texarkanagazette.com/news/arkansas/story/2021/apr/04/earmarks-would-help-get-i-49-complete/865988/


Don't count on it.  Only 5% of the proposed multi-trillion "infrastructure" bill in Congress is dedicated to roads.  Most of it is for Amtrak, solar, alternative energies and social programs.

which honestly doesn't bother me too much. it would be nice to have better rail!

Rail... Good rail transit is a good thing. Freight rail has become profitable through shedding all but the most lucrative types of cargo. For passenger rail to be profitable (sustainable) you have to create volume. I just do not see the volumes coming to pass outside population dense areas (major cities) . If the government were to incentivize a transition from truck cartage back to cargo rail, it might do more to help the highway problems than either intensive construction or ridding us of cars.

It is important to remember that we developed out cities around cars, not trains, and as long as people own cars and trains don't offer any more benefits for their added cost, people will continue to use cars. I think we can all agree that freight rail is profitable and preferred to trucking and as long as that is the case we should continue investing in that to continue capitalizing on freight rails benefits to both shipping and reduced traffic. Passenger rail can go from there, but it is not ready now.
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Re: I-49 in Arkansas
« Reply #2871 on: April 05, 2021, 04:13:26 PM »

we don't design our cities for anything other than a car. trains would still be great for large city to large city travel. give you an alternative to flying.
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« Reply #2872 on: April 05, 2021, 04:35:08 PM »

we don't design our cities for anything other than a car. trains would still be great for large city to large city travel. give you an alternative to flying.

If we had a system that could produce similar results it would be practical. Flying from Fort Wayne to Albuquerque takes two flights and 6 hours while a train ride from Waterloo (30 minutes from town) to Albuquerque is 34 hours. It would be EXPENSIVE to develop a system that doesn't cut current service AND gets that trip to <12 hours.

SNCF construction costs per mile vary by line but average about 15 million euros/km, or about 28 million USD/mile. (source)

For a US example, the price tag on California's High speed rail was $80 million per mile. (source)

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The cost per mile of the planned 520-mile California high-speed rail system, assuming it could actually be built for the current estimate of $80 billion, is $154 million per mile. And Amtrak’s own estimates for replacing its existing Northeast Corridor with true high-speed rail work out to over $500 million per mile.

To do this on a national scale would be like rebuilding the interstate system for well over 10x the cost, if we want to achieve similar results to existing, functioning systems. It just isn't financially feasible to do this at the current time, not with our current economy and technologies. I am not anti-train by any means, it's just that the cost-benefit ratio is just too high and we won't ever see this within our lifetimes.
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Re: I-49 in Arkansas
« Reply #2873 on: April 05, 2021, 08:29:35 PM »

we don't design our cities for anything other than a car. trains would still be great for large city to large city travel. give you an alternative to flying.
That's the benefit that Texas Central Railroad is banking on. Downtown Houston to downtown Dallas in 90 minutes. A flight might take under an hour, but the shuttles and/or rental cars might more than double it. There are multiple examples of this train advantage in the Northeast.
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« Reply #2874 on: April 05, 2021, 08:37:49 PM »

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Earmarks would help get I-49 complete

SPRINGDALE, Arkansas — Congress needs earmarked federal spending to complete projects like Interstate 49, Rep. Steve Womack told the Kiwanis Club here on Thursday.

"If we're going to complete I-49 in our lifetimes, we need a new bridge over the Arkansas River and about 12 miles of new interstate near it," Womack, R-Ark., told the gathering of about 50 people in First United Methodist Church.

Such a project will get done much faster if individual members of Congress are able to set some of the specific priorities in spending, he said. He and other members of Congress should be allowed to earmark those projects in budget bills, within limits, Womack said.

https://www.texarkanagazette.com/news/arkansas/story/2021/apr/04/earmarks-would-help-get-i-49-complete/865988/


Don't count on it.  Only 5% of the proposed multi-trillion "infrastructure" bill in Congress is dedicated to roads.  Most of it is for Amtrak, solar, alternative energies and social programs.

which honestly doesn't bother me too much. it would be nice to have better rail!

Rail... Good rail transit is a good thing. Freight rail has become profitable through shedding all but the most lucrative types of cargo. For passenger rail to be profitable (sustainable) you have to create volume. I just do not see the volumes coming to pass outside population dense areas (major cities) . If the government were to incentivize a transition from truck cartage back to cargo rail, it might do more to help the highway problems than either intensive construction or ridding us of cars.

If the proposed Canadian Pacific - Kansas City Southern merger goes through, how fascinating would it be to have a Toronto - Chicago - Kansas City - Houston - Mexico City international passenger train, with a station in Siloam Springs?  You know right where the route would run.  (BTW, not expecting it whatsoever, especially since Chi-KC is already spoken for.  Just kicks and grins.)
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