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US highways that end at state highways?

Started by KCRoadFan, August 27, 2020, 09:59:56 PM

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-- US 175 --

Quote from: Mapmikey on August 28, 2020, 09:42:01 PM
Don't believe I've seen on this thread yet...

US 92 west end
US 69-96-287 south end
US 78 west end
US 45 north end
US 258 north end
US 21 south end (secondary)
US 80 east (secondary)
US 76 east (secondary)
US 70 east (secondary)

US 78 doesn't end at US 64-70-79 somewhere?


bugo

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Quote from: -- US 175 -- on August 29, 2020, 07:23:26 AM
US 78 doesn't end at US 64-70-79 somewhere?

It ends at TN 14, which I think was once US 64-70-79. I apologize in advance, but somebody in the road community (Froggie?) created this map maybe 10 or 15 years ago. I don't know if it is still accurate today, but it probably is.

Has US 72 always ended at US 51?



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dgolub

A few more from the Northeast that no one else has covered yet:
* US 30, US 40, and US 322 all end at local streets in Atlantic City.
* US 50 ends at MD 528.
* US 301 ends at DE 1 (a relatively recent development).

US 89

Quote from: bugo on August 29, 2020, 07:53:11 AM
Quote from: -- US 175 -- on August 29, 2020, 07:23:26 AM
US 78 doesn't end at US 64-70-79 somewhere?

It ends at TN 14, which I think was once US 64-70-79. I apologize in advance, but somebody in the road community (Froggie?) created this map maybe 10 or 15 years ago. I don't know if it is still accurate today, but it probably is.

Has US 72 always ended at US 51?



I don’t think that’s right anymore. I was just in Memphis, and it looks like if Danny Thomas Blvd south of Union Ave was ever any state or US route, it probably isn’t anymore. US 64/70/79 appear to follow the 2nd-3rd/BB King one-way pair (marked as TN 14 on that map) to connect between Crump and Union. Here’s a sign at the northbound right turn from BB King to Union.

bugo

Tennessee cities are notorious for having badly marked US highways. You can't really rely on them to be correct.

US 89

Quote from: bugo on August 29, 2020, 10:35:31 AM
Tennessee cities are notorious for having badly marked US highways.

That I noticed. But in the absence of a detailed Tennessee route log or something similar (does that exist?), I feel like we have to go with what limited signage does exist over a 15 year old map. There are multiple sign assemblies that show a route along 2nd/3rd, while no signs of any sort exist on Danny Thomas south of Union.

paulthemapguy

Quote from: Mapmikey on August 28, 2020, 09:42:01 PM
Don't believe I've seen on this thread yet...
US 45 north end

US45 extends a bit farther north of M-38/64, ending in downtown Ontonagon.  There's even an end marker there now, erected in 2018!  (There wasn't one before.)


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Flint1979

Quote from: cwf1701 on August 28, 2020, 10:03:52 PM
In Michigan
US-12 ends at Cass Ave in Downtown Detroit.
Before being truncated to the KY-OH line, US-25 ended at the Jct of M-25 and M-53.
Cass isn't a state highway.

Flint1979

Quote from: Mapmikey on August 28, 2020, 09:42:01 PM
Don't believe I've seen on this thread yet...

US 45 north end
That's because it doesn't end at a state highway. It ends at Ontonagon Street, about a block before River Street (the street it's on) dead ends.

froggie

Quote from: US 89 on August 29, 2020, 10:52:18 AM
Quote from: bugo on August 29, 2020, 10:35:31 AM
Tennessee cities are notorious for having badly marked US highways.

That I noticed. But in the absence of a detailed Tennessee route log or something similar (does that exist?), I feel like we have to go with what limited signage does exist over a 15 year old map. There are multiple sign assemblies that show a route along 2nd/3rd, while no signs of any sort exist on Danny Thomas south of Union.

This TDOT Shelby County map clearly shows Danny Thomas between Crump and Union as a state route, though the level of detail in downtown Memphis prevents identification of specific route numbers.  Though there's no date on the map, it's being made via GIS and the presence of I-269 on the eastern edge both indicate it's less than 5 years old.

Flint1979

Quote from: paulthemapguy on August 29, 2020, 11:25:42 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 28, 2020, 09:42:01 PM
Don't believe I've seen on this thread yet...
US 45 north end

US45 extends a bit farther north of M-38/64, ending in downtown Ontonagon.  There's even an end marker there now, erected in 2018!  (There wasn't one before.)


MI-US45NT by Paul Drives, on Flickr
In the other direction before US-45 starts there has been a sign that says TO SOUTH US-45 with an arrow pointing straight. Without going to look I think it's right above the stop sign for Ontonagon Street. M-64 use to end where US-45 does coming in from the other direction across the river.

xonhulu

US 197 ends at WA 14.

Oregon has no examples of this.  All the US highways with ends in the state (US 20, 26, 30, 197, 199, 730) end at US and/or interstate routes.

Mapmikey

Quote from: froggie on August 29, 2020, 11:36:52 AM
Quote from: US 89 on August 29, 2020, 10:52:18 AM
Quote from: bugo on August 29, 2020, 10:35:31 AM
Tennessee cities are notorious for having badly marked US highways.


That I noticed. But in the absence of a detailed Tennessee route log or something similar (does that exist?), I feel like we have to go with what limited signage does exist over a 15 year old map. There are multiple sign assemblies that show a route along 2nd/3rd, while no signs of any sort exist on Danny Thomas south of Union.

This TDOT Shelby County map clearly shows Danny Thomas between Crump and Union as a state route, though the level of detail in downtown Memphis prevents identification of specific route numbers.  Though there's no date on the map, it's being made via GIS and the presence of I-269 on the eastern edge both indicate it's less than 5 years old.



This is from the Dec 2018 Functional Classification Map of Memphis which shows US 78 continuing to TN 14 and US 64-70-79 on Danny Thomas...



QuoteHas US 72 always ended at US 51?

US 72 has ended at US 51 since about 1995.  Prior to that it ended at East Parkway back to the 1930s (using Poplar at first then Union).

Interestingly, US 72 shields used to appear:
----eastbound Crump leaving Riverside -  - https://memphislibrary.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p13039dc/id/345
Zoom way in and 5 US route shields are clearly visible and the bottom one is clearly a US 72 shield.  The factory building on the left is still there.

-----also at US 78's west endpoint.  Here is a 1960 picture of 3rd leaving MLK Blvd - https://memphislibrary.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p13039dc/id/1177
The building to the right of those shields is still there.

JCinSummerfield

Quote from: Flint1979 on August 28, 2020, 03:14:08 PM
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on August 28, 2020, 01:08:39 PM
Technically, the southern end for US-223 is at Monroe St. in Sylvania, OH. OH-184 & OH-51 both end on the east side of the overpass.  The end sign for US-223 is on the exit ramp, on the west side of the overpass, making the exit ramp part of US-223.
Actually US-223 ends while it is still co-signed with US-23. It's pointless to have this as a US highway though and pretty obvious that Ohio has no desire to extend it since they end it at the first possible chance they get. Only reason it is concurrent with US-23 is so that it can cross the border since it would fall well short of the 300 miles required for a US highway to be in a single state so it crosses the border and ends. Honestly no one even realizes that they are on US-223 at all and it should be M-223 and run between US-127 and US-23.

If you get off on the first exit in Ohio when southbound on US-23, there is a "223 ends" sign at the end of the exit ramp.  Whether the exit ramp is officially part of US-223, or the sign was modified with the removing of an arrow and replaced with an end sign when it was truncated, I won't argue.  But the fact is, the sign is there.

KCRoadFan

Quote from: Flint1979 on August 29, 2020, 11:34:25 AM
Quote from: cwf1701 on August 28, 2020, 10:03:52 PM
In Michigan
US-12 ends at Cass Ave in Downtown Detroit.
Before being truncated to the KY-OH line, US-25 ended at the Jct of M-25 and M-53.
Cass isn't a state highway.
I thought US 12/Michigan Ave ended at Woodward Ave, which is M-1.

Flint1979

Quote from: KCRoadFan on August 31, 2020, 04:37:02 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 29, 2020, 11:34:25 AM
Quote from: cwf1701 on August 28, 2020, 10:03:52 PM
In Michigan
US-12 ends at Cass Ave in Downtown Detroit.
Before being truncated to the KY-OH line, US-25 ended at the Jct of M-25 and M-53.
Cass isn't a state highway.
I thought US 12/Michigan Ave ended at Woodward Ave, which is M-1.
Michigan ends at Woodward but US-12 ends at Cass Avenue. It use to end at Campus Martius but was shortened to end at Griswold Street then a few years later shortened again to end at Cass, about 15-20 years ago.

DJ Particle

US-212's eastern terminus ends at MN-62

And lest we forget...  US-1's southern terminus ends at even lesser roads...city streets!  😄

TheHighwayMan3561

Quote from: DJ Particle on September 01, 2020, 12:55:16 AM
US-212's eastern terminus ends at MN-62

And lest we forget...  US-1's southern terminus ends at even lesser roads...city streets!  😄

I always considered 212's east end to be at 169 and Crosstown together, even though 169 and 212 don't meet themselves.
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GaryV

Quote from: Flint1979 on August 31, 2020, 05:13:02 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on August 31, 2020, 04:37:02 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 29, 2020, 11:34:25 AM
Quote from: cwf1701 on August 28, 2020, 10:03:52 PM
In Michigan
US-12 ends at Cass Ave in Downtown Detroit.
Before being truncated to the KY-OH line, US-25 ended at the Jct of M-25 and M-53.
Cass isn't a state highway.
I thought US 12/Michigan Ave ended at Woodward Ave, which is M-1.
Michigan ends at Woodward but US-12 ends at Cass Avenue. It use to end at Campus Martius but was shortened to end at Griswold Street then a few years later shortened again to end at Cass, about 15-20 years ago.
And Woodward Ave isn't M-1 at the intersection with Michigan Ave.  See the State "proposed" map (they've been put into effect except for the extension of M-1 south) as presented on Chris Bessert's site:
http://michiganhighways.org/etc/campusmartiusexhibit2.pdf

Flint1979

Quote from: GaryV on September 01, 2020, 08:53:31 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 31, 2020, 05:13:02 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on August 31, 2020, 04:37:02 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 29, 2020, 11:34:25 AM
Quote from: cwf1701 on August 28, 2020, 10:03:52 PM
In Michigan
US-12 ends at Cass Ave in Downtown Detroit.
Before being truncated to the KY-OH line, US-25 ended at the Jct of M-25 and M-53.
Cass isn't a state highway.
I thought US 12/Michigan Ave ended at Woodward Ave, which is M-1.
Michigan ends at Woodward but US-12 ends at Cass Avenue. It use to end at Campus Martius but was shortened to end at Griswold Street then a few years later shortened again to end at Cass, about 15-20 years ago.
And Woodward Ave isn't M-1 at the intersection with Michigan Ave.  See the State "proposed" map (they've been put into effect except for the extension of M-1 south) as presented on Chris Bessert's site:
http://michiganhighways.org/etc/campusmartiusexhibit2.pdf
That's true. M-1 ends at Adams on the north end of Grand Circus Park. It use to go all the way to Jefferson but Woodward doesn't even end at Jefferson anymore it ends a block north at Larned Street due to the Spirit of Detroit Plaza being built. About 20 years ago MDOT wanted to transfer some highways from their control to city control much like INDOT is doing in Indiana and like MDOT did with M-43 in Kalamazoo. So this is basically the reason that US-12 ends at Cass and M-1 ends at Adams.



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